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    So what are the drawbacks of cutting calories too much? One seems to be running out of energy which hasn't happened to me yet. The other seems to be 'the starvation mode' thing which seems to be mostly shrouded in myth. "If you don't eat enough your metabolism will slow down and weight loss will stop." But by how much and at what point doesn't seem to be explained or proven anywhere. Asking cause yesterday I had some nice small meals and when I cronoed it at the end of the day it barely broke 1000. The meals I had planned for today are pretty similar in size and I doubt theyre gonna be much higher in calories either. I can't snack in between meals to rack up calories. Its just not gonna happen or I know I will lapse into gluttony mode again. Has happened always before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaot1c View Post
    So what are the drawbacks of cutting calories too much? One seems to be running out of energy which hasn't happened to me yet. The other seems to be 'the starvation mode' thing which seems to be mostly shrouded in myth. "If you don't eat enough your metabolism will slow down and weight loss will stop." But by how much and at what point doesn't seem to be explained or proven anywhere. Asking cause yesterday I had some nice small meals and when I cronoed it at the end of the day it barely broke 1000. The meals I had planned for today are pretty similar in size and I doubt theyre gonna be much higher in calories either. I can't snack in between meals to rack up calories. Its just not gonna happen or I know I will lapse into gluttony mode again. Has happened always before.
    Starvation mode is a load of broscience bullshit, metabolism doesn't work like that.

    The only thing close to "Starvation mode" is when you haven't eaten anything for around 48 hours and the body changes its metabolic pathway to start burning fat as its only energy source. Which only happens when you are actually starving, or on a ketogenic diet.

    The main real consequence of super-low calorie diets is that you might feel tired and hungry all the time, which tied with low willpower can lead to poor results in the long run (ie overeating again and not realising it)
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    Too little calories and your body will break down not just fat, but muscle for energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool09 View Post
    Too little calories and your body will break down not just fat, but muscle for energy.
    derp yeah

    To avoid this you can work out the amount of protein your body needs to maintain muscle. The easiest way is to take your weight in pounds, and then make sure you eat a gram of protein for each. So if you are 200lbs then you should be eating 200g of protein per day.

    Going over means its just extra calories. Going under every now and then doesn't make much difference, just don't make it a prolonged thing.

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    Relevant to dieting

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...p_mostpop_read

    Not All Calories Equal, Study Shows

    A diet based on healthy carbohydrates—rather than a low-fat or low-carbohydrate diet—offers the best chance of keeping weight off without bringing unwanted side effects, a study published Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association suggests.

    Study participants following a low-glycemic-index diet, which is similar to a Mediterranean diet and focuses on fish, fruit, vegetables, nuts and whole grains, also saw improved cholesterol levels and other important markers that lower the risks of developing heart disease and diabetes. Such a diet might include minimally processed oatmeal, almonds, brown rice, beans and healthy fats like olive oil, among other foods.

    The study was led by researchers at the New Balance Foundation Obesity Prevention Center at Boston Children's Hospital and funded by the National Institutes of Health and the New Balance Foundation, which is affiliated with the athletic-shoe maker. It was designed to assess how each of three common diets affects the ability to keep weight off. Participants had all of their food prepared for them, and their food intake was monitored. They ate many meals at the hospital, picking up others to eat at home.

    David Ludwig, one of the study's authors and the director of the center, explained that most people struggle to keep weight off. Previous studies have shown that weight loss reduces the body's daily energy expenditure—or how many calories the body burns through activity and just by resting—making it easy to regain weight. Dr. Ludwig's study was designed to look at the impact of the three diets on measures of energy expenditure, in addition to assessing hormones, fat levels in the blood and other health markers.

    The study's 21 participants, 18 to 40 years old, initially lost 10% to 15% of their body weight during a three-month diet that contained about 45% of total calories from carbohydrates, 30% from fat and 25% from protein.

    A month later, participants were placed on one of three diets for a month: a low-fat diet limiting fats to 20% of total calories; a low-carbohydrate diet modeled on the Atkins diet, limiting carbohydrate intake to 10% of total calories; and a low-glycemic-index diet, which contained 40% of total calories from carbohydrates, 40% from fats and 20% from protein. Participants were then switched to the other two diets during two additional four-week periods.

    "The low-fat diet had the worst effect" on energy expenditure, Dr. Ludwig said. Participants on that diet also had increases in triglycerides, a type of fat, and lower levels of so-called good cholesterol. "We should avoid severely restricting any major nutrient and focus on the quality of the nutrient," he said.

    Dr. Ludwig said those on the low-carb diet had the biggest boost in total energy expenditure, burning about 300 calories more per day than those on the low-fat diet—about the same as an hour of moderate exercise. But that bump came at a cost: increases in cortisol, a stress hormone, and a measure of inflammation called CRP, which can raise the risk of developing heart disease and diabetes.

    Those on the low-glycemic-index diet burned about 150 calories a day more than those on the low-fat diet without any negative impacts on cholesterol levels or various hormones, making it the ideal diet, Dr. Ludwig said. The glycemic index measures the impact of carbohydrates on blood-sugar levels.

    A second study in the same medical journal showed that people in an 18-month weight-loss program that started with monthly meetings lost nearly as much weight as those in a much costlier program of the same duration with group sessions that initially met weekly. That study, led by researchers at the University of Pittsburgh, found that the monthly program cut about $600 off the cost of a $1,360 traditional weight-loss program with the weekly classes.Members of the group taking monthly classes were mailed the same material as those who attended classes weekly, and those who failed to meet weight-loss goals could get individual counseling by phone or in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudolf Miller View Post
    Relevant to dieting

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...p_mostpop_read

    Not All Calories Equal, Study Shows

    A diet based on healthy carbohydrates—rather than a low-fat or low-carbohydrate diet—offers the best chance of keeping weight off without bringing unwanted side effects, a study published Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association suggests.

    Study participants following a low-glycemic-index diet, which is similar to a Mediterranean diet and focuses on fish, fruit, vegetables, nuts and whole grains, also saw improved cholesterol levels and other important markers that lower the risks of developing heart disease and diabetes. Such a diet might include minimally processed oatmeal, almonds, brown rice, beans and healthy fats like olive oil, among other foods.

    The study was led by researchers at the New Balance Foundation Obesity Prevention Center at Boston Children's Hospital and funded by the National Institutes of Health and the New Balance Foundation, which is affiliated with the athletic-shoe maker. It was designed to assess how each of three common diets affects the ability to keep weight off. Participants had all of their food prepared for them, and their food intake was monitored. They ate many meals at the hospital, picking up others to eat at home.

    David Ludwig, one of the study's authors and the director of the center, explained that most people struggle to keep weight off. Previous studies have shown that weight loss reduces the body's daily energy expenditure—or how many calories the body burns through activity and just by resting—making it easy to regain weight. Dr. Ludwig's study was designed to look at the impact of the three diets on measures of energy expenditure, in addition to assessing hormones, fat levels in the blood and other health markers.

    The study's 21 participants, 18 to 40 years old, initially lost 10% to 15% of their body weight during a three-month diet that contained about 45% of total calories from carbohydrates, 30% from fat and 25% from protein.

    A month later, participants were placed on one of three diets for a month: a low-fat diet limiting fats to 20% of total calories; a low-carbohydrate diet modeled on the Atkins diet, limiting carbohydrate intake to 10% of total calories; and a low-glycemic-index diet, which contained 40% of total calories from carbohydrates, 40% from fats and 20% from protein. Participants were then switched to the other two diets during two additional four-week periods.

    "The low-fat diet had the worst effect" on energy expenditure, Dr. Ludwig said. Participants on that diet also had increases in triglycerides, a type of fat, and lower levels of so-called good cholesterol. "We should avoid severely restricting any major nutrient and focus on the quality of the nutrient," he said.

    Dr. Ludwig said those on the low-carb diet had the biggest boost in total energy expenditure, burning about 300 calories more per day than those on the low-fat diet—about the same as an hour of moderate exercise. But that bump came at a cost: increases in cortisol, a stress hormone, and a measure of inflammation called CRP, which can raise the risk of developing heart disease and diabetes.

    Those on the low-glycemic-index diet burned about 150 calories a day more than those on the low-fat diet without any negative impacts on cholesterol levels or various hormones, making it the ideal diet, Dr. Ludwig said. The glycemic index measures the impact of carbohydrates on blood-sugar levels.

    A second study in the same medical journal showed that people in an 18-month weight-loss program that started with monthly meetings lost nearly as much weight as those in a much costlier program of the same duration with group sessions that initially met weekly. That study, led by researchers at the University of Pittsburgh, found that the monthly program cut about $600 off the cost of a $1,360 traditional weight-loss program with the weekly classes.Members of the group taking monthly classes were mailed the same material as those who attended classes weekly, and those who failed to meet weight-loss goals could get individual counseling by phone or in person.
    Eating moderate/high GI foods while dieting is like shooting yourself in the foot, they cause a strong insulin response and one of insulin's properties is that it limits fat from being metabolised.

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    Feeling pretty chuffed atm. Only recently got back into exercising after ~2 years of sloth. During that time I got kind of disgracefully out of shape. Finally got round to doing something about it two months ago, bought a bench plus some weights, and got to work.

    Today I hit 100 kg on the bench press for the first time in my life. Fuck yeah.

    (ok, it was only two reps, and the second was pretty shaky. still, i'm happy)
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    Fella I know, around 45 years old, has said good things about core exercises. Simple stuff. Plank etc.

    I'm 'only' 24 but the principle being the same - we're both sat on our arse every day for long periods of time - means I'm particularly pathetic.

    Does anyone here know much about or can recommend it, or is it a bit derpy?

    Trying to kick myself into gear!

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    What is the question?

    Should you do core exercises? Yes of course.

    Its like asking, I want to learn math, should I use numbers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool09 View Post
    What is the question?

    Should you do core exercises? Yes of course.

    Its like asking, I want to learn math, should I use numbers?
    hey now, theres a lot of math that uses letters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izo Azlion View Post
    Does anyone here know much about or can recommend it, or is it a bit derpy?
    http://rocwieler.com/2012/06/05/550-challenge/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudolf Miller View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cool09 View Post
    What is the question?

    Should you do core exercises? Yes of course.

    Its like asking, I want to learn math, should I use numbers?
    hey now, theres a lot of math that uses letters
    All math uses letters. You only use numbers when you're dealing with specific stuff so usually engineering :P


    

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    I read that whole fucking blog post without realizing it was about Eve. Keeping the avatar fit and frisky is the best way to prepare for battling intergalactic scum.
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    ffffffffffffffffffff just joined a gym
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    need cardio tips Cant run (busted knee also makes walking super painful atm) can cycle no bike and no chance of getting one. and no access to water to swim. so is there even anything left?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarabando View Post
    need cardio tips Cant run (busted knee also makes walking super painful atm) can cycle no bike and no chance of getting one. and no access to water to swim. so is there even anything left?
    If you have access to them, you could try using a rowing machine or cross-trainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralara View Post
    ffffffffffffffffffff just joined a gym
    That's good man! You can get in shape and you'll meet quite a few people that are into your bum in the sauna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loire View Post
    you'll meet quite a few people that are into your bum in the sauna.
    Literally.
    Contract stuff to Seraphina Amaranth.

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    Blah. The moving diet is atrocious.

    I've been on a 3 month decline in focus and willpower.. ever since I started using the treadmill more often. Going into my move I was already up 4 pounds over my lowest weigh in. In 3 weeks of packing, moving, and unpacking at a snails pace because of family/work/being too stubborn to take time off, I ate like shit and because I was unpacking after work I skipped the gym. Went from 242 to 249.2 in that span. fffffff

    I guess it could have been worse. I've splurged a lot. Had more Taco Bell in those 3 weeks than I had the entire year to date.

    Going good food shopping this weekend, then getting back on track Monday. Hoping to get the weight back off fast. If I'm lucky I'll be back down into the low 240s by August 1st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarabando View Post
    need cardio tips Cant run (busted knee also makes walking super painful atm) can cycle no bike and no chance of getting one. and no access to water to swim. so is there even anything left?
    Do you have a gym membership? Gyms typically have ellipticals, stationary bikes, rowing machines, all of which are really easy on the knees and have scaleable resistance. If not you could buy a used stationary bike or something for cheap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rudolf Miller View Post
    Blah.
    Hang in there... do what you need to do to motivate yourself. I find music gets me pumped up and off my ass.

    I just got out of my rut. Something just clicked in my head and I started running a few KM, then going to the gym each day. Eating lots of fruit has been a big boost in energy level.
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