[PVP] Vigilant

[Tyrus Tenebros]

If you're going to fit two webs anyways you're really probably better off with a proteus for this. dual 90% webs is a total waste more or less.

edit: also wtf is up with this thread, use the vigi thread, like it's always been on this forum, 1 thread -> 1 ship keeps it cleaner.

[Daneel Trevize]

I can see a use for 2 webs to keep stuff inside a HIC bubble or something, but then you might want a sebo and have to sit in the middle of them.
As for fucking AB tengus, I always favoured the Ashimmu though the direct dps is pathetic.
The mention of dual prop was for still being able to move under a scram, and getting under big stuff's tracking.
Lastly, is 3 EANMS and a DC really the best resists profile? Factoring in ganglinks too?

[Helen]

E T you are making me do work you fuck nugget.

[E T]

I did read the rules prior to posting it. There was nothing there saying i should not post like that. Nor was there anything saying what the deal with thread necro'ing was. So, i posted it there.

Stop complaining, it is your job to organize these threads.

[Helen]

Hahahahaha oh man.

[Rudolf Miller]

I could swear I mentioned something about taunting mods... then profit?

[Helen]

Keep it on track from now on, I've actually taken the time to do some light moderation past couple days and actually posted the rules which everyone but E T seemed to sort of understand and follow allowing me months of peace only for dumb people to stumble across this forum.

[Sparkus Volundar]

Lastly, is 3 EANMS and a DC really the best resists profile? Factoring in ganglinks too?

I don't think so and I don't think it's the best resist profile before links either. Along similar cost lines and less penalties, a quick play in Excel gives:

IN EANM x2
Armor Explosive Hardener II
DC II
Anti-Kin Rig II
Anti-Therm Rig II

EXP: 78 (vs. 71)
KIN: 77 (vs 75)
TH: 77 (vs 75)
EM: 77 (vs 81)
Mean: 77 (vs. 75)

Using T1 resist rigs would still give good results.

[Tornado Bait]

Behold! I totally made this on EFT, it is pretty lols but yea..


[Vigilant, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Armor Explosive Hardener II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner
Warp Disruptor II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x5

with hg snakes 1659m/s

889 dps with void

10k armor/ 40k ehp

[prometheus]

[Vigilant, BLASPHEMY]
Damage Control II
Small Armor Repairer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II
Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Hammerhead II x5

Now before someone cries foul, hear me out.
This is basically working in the same line of setups as my Navy Vexor & Deimos.
Its targets are more similar to the VNI, but since it doesn't sport a big active tank, it's not as diverse as the Deimos.
The Deimos is still the *better* ship, but lately I've been getting jammed a fuckload, and this doesn't.

Specs (All 5, CX-1, ZGM1000)
- 40k uniform eHP
- 5.8s align (superboss)
- 725 (810) dps w/ antimatter & 791 (886) dps w/ void
- 39.2 (45) sensor strength

[StevieTopSiders]

How retarded is this?

[Vigilant, RailxD]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Gistum B-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Large Shield Extender II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

With Loki links + Shield Resistance + LG Snakes + Normal Deimos implants

3.4km/s (4.9km/s OH)
4.3s align (2.9 w/o MWD)
550 dps/1931 volley (650 DPS OH)
90% web out to 27k OH, so rail tracking shouldn't be an issue.

[Daneel Trevize]

I've been trying to make a rail Deimos/Vigilant that works, testing on Sisi. Rails don't track for shit, especially without TEs/metastasis rigs. 90% web is nice, but you don't want to be heating it for long, it's non-instant to take effect + cycle time, and the main problem is vs more than 1 opponent, you probably can't dictate position on one while tracking another (or I'm just bad/never tried such a fast fit). Blasters + Null + falloff bonus + drones projects dps well inside web range too.

Also...

[Vigilant, 100mn ab?! plate & mar, depimped, snakes, less resists more dps]

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Null M

Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler

Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Centum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Valkyrie II x5

Mixed success, needs a lot of force multipliers to work, can be epic when it does and no one understands why they can't track it while it's so close, holding them stationary & pounding on them. More than one at once are utter pwnzone. T2 version gives up a lot of speed & tank while still needing T2 PG rig.
It can perma-AB and tackle without using the injector, useful for positioning/GTFO.

[prometheus]

if it needs lots of force multiplier to work, it's not working

[Daneel Trevize]

Eh, it's situational. It's like saying Crystal'd Maelstroms aren't working when they pew fine with Tengu links, and without those two things they have 1/4 the tank or something retarded and DIAF to almost anything. Huge force multipliers gunna multiply.

For that fit it's at least as much about the deadspace AB and repper as it is any links/implants, tbh.

[Bizmark]

[Vigilant, Web+LSE+Neut]

Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Valkyrie II x5


I have a frigate tackling for me - mostly baiting then warp in to kill. The vigilant seems SO much better than the deimos tbh.. the web bonus and +1 mid seems too good.

[Sponk]

90% web needs three tracking enhancers?

[Varcaus]

Im going to guess range

[Lex Fasces]

90% web needs three tracking enhancers?

range