Wormhole Space (147 posts deleted and counting)

[Ash2k7]

I'd also like to call the "contribute or leave" stuff bullshit. If it was like that, we should have been invaded and kicked by now. There's nothing wrong with not choosing to fight R&K and K162. If you aren't with one of the top five WH alliances, you'll just get utterly destroyed by them. The ones who actually kill those alliances just manage to outblob them, like when they got killed by Temnava. Trying to fight in a Pulsar (which also is the home system of the targets) in armor ships, what could possibly go wrong? Other than that I don't really remember GT dying that much.

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In any case, I rather have wormholes full of carebears than empty holes or only hardcore PVPers in them.

From what I remember, the point is to discourage POS hugging shit and the tactics and attitudes that lead to many 0.0 alliances having all their players dock up and spin in station while any hostiles are within 18 jumps. It's shit and boring for everyone.

So "contribute or leave" means that while you may die if you fight, you surely WILL die (and lose all your shit) if you turtle consistently. As most any individual, corp, or alliance can tell you, by fighting (and, yes, dying) you get better at EVE. You refine tactics, setups, and reflexes. With mass limits and effects, small groups with situational awareness can easily screw with big groups.

Most roams are set up with generally useful setups (typically armor fleets) that don't exactly do well in certain systems. Roams also don't know the state of any holes (this problem is even worse with recent changes) so their aggression can be used against them with judicious mass transfer. Split fleets that have lost key elements are very easy to deal with.

"Perfect" setups require co-ordination and the right mix of ships - 2 faction or officer fit Bhaals are a deadly threat, but 1 which has minimal support is a really nice KB ornament. Perfect setups are also loot pinatas. When I was in AHARM the standard PVE tengu was stupidly costly (back when you could solo C4s) and the PVP fits were almost as nice.

I think it's a good ethos and helps prevent w-space from being the same stale crap that so much of k-space became. Take advantage of the resources, but don't just milk isk, make it a fun and very different part of the game.

[Qui Shon]

But if you could fly 1 rev, why not strip the faction mods off of the other one first?

Perhaps the real answer is because you then gain ownership of it and will have no km to show. While loot is nice, everybody wants km's too.

[Daneel Trevize]

Wouldn't you just get a friendly fire lossmail? It's not like it's been ejected from the hanger and not boarded since.
Anyway, again wtf is going on here

Hello http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13274008

[LordsServant]

Wouldn't you just get a friendly fire lossmail? It's not like it's been ejected from the hanger and not boarded since.
Anyway, again wtf is going on here

Hello http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13274008

Looks like it took place in a c2 (very similar to my alt c2 I'm trying to sell). My guess is one side or the other got called in to defend/attack it. Interesting fight for such a low-class WH tho.

[Merrizo]

Transmission Lost was looking to evict that C2's occupants. LOST asked TALUN to provide backup and hired some mercs. Unfortunately a spai happened and as such Exhale. and Starbridge were ready to help defend the system. The main error on LOST's side was ignoring the hostile intel factor and going in with a half T3 and less than half a POS bashing fleet, cause the entrance collapsed (as expected) halfway through the battleships jumping in. As you can imagine, Sentry BS that were to be used versus the dickstar, aren't much good versus T3s with logi support. Given that it was known we had a spai, fleet shoulda moved in with a full T3+logi setup, established system dominance first and only then gradually switched out pilots into pos stomping ships.

[Qui Shon]

Wouldn't you just get a friendly fire lossmail? It's not like it's been ejected from the hanger and not boarded since.

Yes, and who wants that?
KM's (on other people) are much nicer, and that's what they got.

Anyway, again wtf is going on here

Hello http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13274008

More blobbery and destruction of the last bastion of non-blob, w-space.

They should make a new mechanic, more then 50 pilots in a system at once, and no wormholes will spawn for a week. 200 pilots, a month. 500 pilots, ever again.


I think I'll leave you guys alone for a while in this thread now, before Grarr permabans me.

[Nathan Jameson]

More blobbery and destruction of the last bastion of non-blob, w-space.

Only if you ignore the fact that the wormhole collapse cut our side's fleet in half. We had 100+ in fleet at one point, but only 60 made it inside, meaning the fleets were of equal size. Just not equally gunned.

Sadly Talocan was the part left outside, and we didn't get to take part in the massacre fun.

[Wrack]

More blobbery and destruction of the last bastion of non-blob, w-space.

They should make a new mechanic, more then 50 pilots in a system at once, and no wormholes will spawn for a week. 200 pilots, a month. 500 pilots, ever again.

I think I'll leave you guys alone for a while in this thread now, before Grarr permabans me.

The attacking fleet was merely of the size necessary to engage a dickstar in a C2, which can permajam 30 ships. The defending fleet size was merely what was necessary to repel the attacking fleet. The wormhole did its job and cut a fleet in half. Something was worth fighting for, so people turned out to fight for it, and had a pitched 30 minute battle, at roughly even numbers, with zero capitals. Metagaming took place and the side that was better prepared won. An invasion attempt took place and didn't result in blueballs followed by a self-destruct orgy, which is rare.

This is not some harbinger of days to come in which no fleet is smaller than 40. This is an edge-case, the far tail of the bell curve. This is exactly how EVE is supposed to happen.

[Qui Shon]

Okay just one more post, for a clarification:

I wasn't accusing any one side of blobbing, but all sides, the practice and phenomena itself. Apologies if I miscommunicated that.

This is the 2nd edge case in a month in this thread....

I shall try to be reassured by Wrack's and others continued insistence of non-ruined w-space, and pour my bile and hatred on any w-fleet larger then 15 ships somewhere else.

[Nathan Jameson]

This is the 2nd edge case in a month in this thread....

If it's any solace, it's the same groups popping up on each of these BR's...the "greats" of wormhole space. They are themselves the edge case. For 2498 systems, there's plenty of room to live without being involved in a fight like this.

[Casparas]

BR of this fight: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=6896

Can be found here: http://exhale.lt/forum/index.php?topic=354.0

[xanral]

This is from a battle that's a bit old and small scale but I wanted to wait till I had the video available and with some info on what was happening in it before posting about it.

The background was that we connected to a C1 of some enemies of ours and baited and blew up a gang of theirs. We stuck a crucifier scan alt in system and later a manticore. We ganked a few of them over the week and so one corp decided to leave the WH.

I decided to interrupt their move out and brought my Ishtar over knowing they had a 2 myrms, brutix, guardian, and either several tengus or nighthawks at their disposal. You can scroll down and just watch the linked video if you want as this point in the story.

I tried for half an hour to get them to fight me off the WH and engaged a ceptor and some other stuff before the fight featured, but they wanted to fight on the HS WH no matter what the odds and the fact that they knew the HS was clear of backup for me. So I engaged them with 1 of the tengus and my ishtar under timer. Sadly it had enough eHP to tank me and jump out about 20 seconds before death and we started the HS circle jerk after that.

I eventually jump out and notice the WH is crit so I call in two corp mates in hurricanes to give me enough mass to hopefully close it. They have to travel 30 jumps but we all make it there and jump in.

Pop goes the WH and we engage what's left of the forces there:
http://www.ajoheavyind.com/edk/?a=ki...ed&kll_id=1023

I know we didn't have boosts and pretty sure the other side did not either so what you see is what you get. Also sorry for the chat window and low resolution on it, I have a new wide screen monitor now so future stuff should be better.
Video Link (its part of my latest PvP video, stop when it shows the Talos as you've gone too far):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SJVSmB1buE&hd=1&t=3m55s

[Daneel Trevize]

I was indeed questioning your sanity fighting on highsec holes without bumps, 90% webs, or something unexpectedly high mass to shove through.

Oh and Casparas failed to mention there's FRAPS of that fight with that BR.

[Korenchkin]

I hate to interrupt your stimulating discussion but Durzel's corp has suffered a small theft. Damien Smith and I managed to make off with about 60-80b in ships and loot last night. What we couldnt carry, we did this:

http://bl3h-united.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=235129
http://bl3h-united.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=235130
http://bl3h-united.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=235137
http://bl3h-united.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=235137

Sorry guys. Go ahead and continue your discussion...

Wow did you spend a lot of time planning this audacious heist crusher?

[Damien Smith]

Wow did you spend a lot of time planning this audacious heist crusher?

I know right. I wish he'd have told me about it instead of letting me do all the work and then jumping in at the end to pew a couple of caps...

[Omen Nihilo]

My corp loves to bring a fight to nullsec, but the other day we had one brought to our doorstep. I know the battle wasn't actually in w-space, but it took place on a wormhole so it counts.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13315671 - because of reshipping the sides look even, but they outnumbered us at least 3:1.

Just gonna post a quick writeup from someone else on our forums; I think he sums it up nicely:

are you talking bout the massacre at 4-q
we had 3 rounds tbh

round 1
first we took a 11 man proper kitting gang against a 23 man mostly bc fleet (we had 2 logies and even rapier / lachesis + boosts)
boris was ordered to die so that the enemy gang would show up on the kill board

round 2
they brought in a even bigger gang and dropped it on the wh on zero
we reshipped to armor goodness and engaged then
we killed stuff ,they cynoed in 7 carriers, we ran

round 3
carriers warped off , enemy fleet still camped the wh
we waited out our timers and went for another round ...
again stuff died and they disengaged
we looted everyone got a victory beer
again we tried to sacrifice boris but for some reason he wouldnt die making the killboard not as it supposed to be

[LordsServant]

My corp loves to bring a fight to nullsec, but the other day we had one brought to our doorstep. I know the battle wasn't actually in w-space, but it took place on a wormhole so it counts.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13315671 - because of reshipping the sides look even, but they outnumbered us at least 3:1.

Just gonna post a quick writeup from someone else on our forums; I think he sums it up nicely:

are you talking bout the massacre at 4-q
we had 3 rounds tbh

round 1
first we took a 11 man proper kitting gang against a 23 man mostly bc fleet (we had 2 logies and even rapier / lachesis + boosts)
boris was ordered to die so that the enemy gang would show up on the kill board

round 2
they brought in a even bigger gang and dropped it on the wh on zero
we reshipped to armor goodness and engaged then
we killed stuff ,they cynoed in 7 carriers, we ran

round 3
carriers warped off , enemy fleet still camped the wh
we waited out our timers and went for another round ...
again stuff died and they disengaged
we looted everyone got a victory beer
again we tried to sacrifice boris but for some reason he wouldnt die making the killboard not as it supposed to be

Poor, poor, boris.

I was looking at that BR and the first thing that popped into mind was "lol lookit dat scrub in the shield oracle surrounded by all dat armor goodness," but then I read how u ordered him to sacrifice himself :P

There's always that one guy who EVERYONE looks at when u need bait/suicide tackle or w/e

[Liptonez]

Why would you sacrifice someone if you killed every single one of them anyway. lol Looks very nice.

[Omen Nihilo]

More of a joke since Boris always seems to get primaried. We'd like to think he died for a good cause.

[Omen Nihilo]

Looks like AHARM & Co. are doing another eviction?
http://dontshootx.com/killboard/?a=k...d&kll_id=12811

Also, 15 Dreads