Logistics and carriers are there to counter raw dps, neuts are there to counter logistics, ecm is there to counter neuts, eccm is there to counter ecm and you can counter eccm in many ways. Think ahead and use clever tactics, complaining about ecm is silly. This isnt nullsec, where whoever brings the more alpha maelstorms wins.
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Sounds like you had a nice fight mate, those sorts are the best, they are so tense and having only just come back to eve I have only recently begun to experience them and must say it really adds to the game for me to the point where it feels like almost an entirely new one.
You're like a fluffy gerbil sat on a naked woman's crotch, you might think you're looking cool, but everybody else thinks you're a cunt.
Here's a 'day in the life' story of some wormhole shenanigans I wrote quite a while ago but never got round to posting.
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Yesterday was pretty sweet; here's an AAR. I've pruned it a bit, but it's still pretty much a wall of text, so best get a cup o tea.
Saturday Morning Hangover. Everyone else is out of the hole white knighting a reinforced alliance POS (turned out to be a no-show from the aggressors), but I'm not feeling fit for human interaction so I stay home, scan a bit, and wait for my skull to stop trying to squeeze my brain out through my ears.
Spend the next hour AFK-gas-whoring, with Bacon. Yeah, I'm not proud of it. After the caffeine kicks in I head back out to scan for new sigs.
A few jumps down the chain I find a new C5 K162 which has been taken critical - could mean Interesting Times on the other side, so I jump on in. Nothing on the hole, but there's a bunch of wrecks on scan, and carrier + Loki sitting at a POS. I D-scan the wrecks to an anomaly and warp in to find a quad-cap-escalated site with all but the last wave of guardians killed (and un-looted!) - 20 high-grade sleeper BS wrecks and a few assorted others. The Loki and Nidhoggur both log, leaving a small fortune in sleeper tags lying on the field. My eyes light up with $$$ signs, but I decide to BM the site and come back after scanning the rest of the chain.
Exploring further, I find 3x high sec, low sec, 2x null sec (Fountain + Wicked Creek), C4 and C2. The C2 proves to be empty, but oh herro! Orca, Retriever, Drake on scan at a grav site in the C4. It's a small system, so I have to risk dropping probes inside scan range, and sure enough they spot me and bail. Oh well, maybe later.
I reship into a Zephyr, burn back to the crit C5, smile and wave at the sleepers as I shamelessly strip the corpses of their fallen broskis. A cheeky 400mil, not to be sniffed at!
After dropping off the loot, I reship to 100MN Tengu for a poke around in Fountain and then Wicked Creek (normally good for the odd Raven gank). I forage around a couple of neighbouring systems and come across an incautious Tengu, who dies. Not much else going on (missed warp-ins on a couple of Drakes :/), so I reship to cloaky T3 and head back into the C4. No sign of the miners, but this time there's a Chimera off in dead space with wrecks!
This pricks up some ears on TS, and some of the boys start burning back from their low-sec staging system towards the hole. Unfortunately the Chimera warps before I even get on grid (guess they had cloaky eyes on the entrance). I follow to his POS and to my surprise land 10km off a CNR, who seems to be happily motoring AFK out of the force field at 88m/s. It's no Chimera, but hey faction is faction. It takes a little while, but he eventually boats >250k from the tower and the gank squad arrive, so I decloak / bump and point him up. His friends sit in their POS and watch him burn.
Just as he goes down, one of our Volta buddies drops down on TS and calmly mentions that he has several carriers engaged on a gate in Insmother and would kindly appreciate some assistance at our earliest convenience (or words to that effect). By (yet another) stroke of luck, the system he links is 4 jumps from our Wicked Creek exit, so we reship to Tier 3s, poke a few AFK people into life and head out.
By the time we get there all but one of carriers have disengaged, so we mop up the smaller stuff and then proceed to fuck him up(TM), beating the self-destruct timer by a few seconds. While we loot the field, one of our Cynabals is playing with some RA dudes who are hugging a station next door in C-J. In the spirit of friendship he invites a Thanatos to join our fleet; he accepts (!) and is promptly squad warped to a nearby planet, where the rest of the gang fall on him and start blatting. A second Thanatos and some random support is warped in to the rescue, but to no avail - he dies shortly after the first. At this point, a roaming alliance gang reaches us and joins the party - naturally we overheat to get the second Thanny down before they whore onto the mail.
A third (triage) Thanatos warps in, along with some armor support (baddons, 1 guardian), and we pile in. With some target switching we manage to alpha through his reps and down most of his support. Then local spikes up and they bring in a Drake blob with a few Scimitars to rescue the besieged triage pilot. We pull some range and start popping Scimis and then Drakes left right and centre, but in the midst of the brawl the Thanatos coasts out of triage and cynos out. Still, we gobble up a bunch more KMs before the remainder of their fleet warps off to the station. We follow them and manage to alpha a couple of things that are too slow to dock up.
By this time it's getting a bit late, so while the main roam carries on, a few of us head back to the hole. We pop a handful of bombers and some light tackle that try and catch our stragglers. The total kill tally is quite satisfactory.
Just as I'm about to call it a night, we're handed a bonus gank: a shopping alt finds a small camp (Broadsword, Arazu, Cerberus, Vagabond, Thorax) on his high sec entrance. We try and bait them off with a Tengu, but they burn back to the hole as soon as we appear on scan, leaving behind an unlucky Arazu.
All in all a pretty successful day - an epic fight near the end, but also some good ol' cloak-and-dagger hole plundering that reminds me why I love W-Space.
So for you nullsec is just the battle reports you see between CFC and Raiden/NC. ?
Lots of nice BRs to keep me busy at work, thanks for posting.
My corp moved into our C5/C3 after being in a C5/C5 for a year, and basically getting sick of the logistics. We chose the C5/C3 as the static can produce all types of connections (0.0, Ls, highsec, c1-c4) which we initially thought would provide us with fights. It has but mostly in 0.0 or Ls, it is sad how many c1-c4 residents refuse to fight in any shape of form.
Guess we should have gone to c6 for all the gfs :P
C3s can only have k-space statics. For getting low-key pew, the best thing to have is absolutely a static C2. C2s are the most occupied wormhole class (damn near 100%) and each one has a k-space and a w-space static. Yes there are lots of horribly risk averse people, but there are also a good number of willing combatants in C2s who are lower SP or just don't want to commit the isk required to be competitive with the T3+Cap fleets in C6s. Plus tons of bogglingly incompetent idiots to gank.
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That's good advice from Wrack. There's actually quite a lot of depth to the decision of what wormhole to stick your flag down into, as to some extent it's going to define your corp's pattern of behaviour for the duration of your stay. If you want to maximise your chances of wormhole pew, you need as big a wormhole network as possible. That means using signature sizes to scan through chains quickly and efficiently, and when your chain ends in k-space, scan the k-space and surrounding systems for more chains!
As for 'refusing to fight in any shape or form' - I think you're expecting it to come a bit too easy
Lately, our luck has been better in C3s. Catching people running anoms and not watching Dscan has been pretty easy lately. As far as real stand up fights, those have been turned down every single time we offer them, even at very significant disadvantages.That's good advice from Wrack. There's actually quite a lot of depth to the decision of what wormhole to stick your flag down into, as to some extent it's going to define your corp's pattern of behaviour for the duration of your stay. If you want to maximise your chances of wormhole pew, you need as big a wormhole network as possible. That means using signature sizes to scan through chains quickly and efficiently, and when your chain ends in k-space, scan the k-space and surrounding systems for more chains!
As for 'refusing to fight in any shape or form' - I think you're expecting it to come a bit too easy
Issue there is u have carebear-only faggots just isk whoring. Pull a green-core tbh. Park a scanner alt in system, wait for their low time, bring ur fleet in, then rapecage POS/hole control. Kill all of their stuff and harvest the tears - "contribute to wspace or get the fuck out carebear faggot" is the general idea.Lately, our luck has been better in C3s. Catching people running anoms and not watching Dscan has been pretty easy lately. As far as real stand up fights, those have been turned down every single time we offer them, even at very significant disadvantages.That's good advice from Wrack. There's actually quite a lot of depth to the decision of what wormhole to stick your flag down into, as to some extent it's going to define your corp's pattern of behaviour for the duration of your stay. If you want to maximise your chances of wormhole pew, you need as big a wormhole network as possible. That means using signature sizes to scan through chains quickly and efficiently, and when your chain ends in k-space, scan the k-space and surrounding systems for more chains!
As for 'refusing to fight in any shape or form' - I think you're expecting it to come a bit too easy
Hello all dear wormholers
Here is short battle report about rooks and kings fail to rape TEMNAVA in anomaly.
http://tmall.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_re...ll_id=13196480
We were doing capital escalations in our home system when our scout reported new signature in our wh, scanned it and it was C5-K162.
Third escalation was almost done, couple of npc battleships left and we had in that moment in site 3 moroses, two triage chimeras, one rapier and huginN and bunch of tengus, and we didnt believe someone can surprise us and attack us fast, coz all serious fleets are armor fleets and whoever wants to attack us need to reship coz our home is C6 pulsar so we have time.
Then surprise and WTF???
Scout reports rooks and kings fleet jumping in with 2 archons, 3 bhaalgorns, 2 kronos, devoter, damnation and lots of proteus and warping. Thank you God
We had cpl of ecm tengus but we also bring scorpion and falcon for any caseThey landed, their bubble was up and fight starts.
Their bhaalgorns were perma jammed, fc started to call targets, webbers done their job great, their archons couldnt rep them and whole fight last 4 minutes. Real shame we were in pve ships without any scramblers or disruptors so we didnt catch more of them, but we are very thankful to rnk devoter pilot, he done great job for us
12b for 4 minutes, not bad... and also a gift from TEMNAVA to whole eve community, their kronos fit
But what their fc was thinking??? Maybe will just stay there and watch how they shoot at us without fight? wtf.... and also free tip for him: PULSAR = 50% minus armor resistances and double shield hitpoints...
Best regards, W01F GEO
A-Type eanm, but no t2 trimarks.Hello all dear wormholers
Here is short battle report about rooks and kings fail to rape TEMNAVA in anomaly.
http://tmall.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_re...ll_id=13196480
We were doing capital escalations in our home system when our scout reported new signature in our wh, scanned it and it was C5-K162.
Third escalation was almost done, couple of npc battleships left and we had in that moment in site 3 moroses, two triage chimeras, one rapier and huginN and bunch of tengus, and we didnt believe someone can surprise us and attack us fast, coz all serious fleets are armor fleets and whoever wants to attack us need to reship coz our home is C6 pulsar so we have time.
Then surprise and WTF???
Scout reports rooks and kings fleet jumping in with 2 archons, 3 bhaalgorns, 2 kronos, devoter, damnation and lots of proteus and warping. Thank you God
We had cpl of ecm tengus but we also bring scorpion and falcon for any case
Their bhaalgorns were perma jammed, fc started to call targets, webbers done their job great, their archons couldnt rep them and whole fight last 4 minutes. Real shame we were in pve ships without any scramblers or disruptors so we didnt catch more of them, but we are very thankful to rnk devoter pilot, he done great job for us
12b for 4 minutes, not bad... and also a gift from TEMNAVA to whole eve community, their kronos fit
But what their fc was thinking??? Maybe will just stay there and watch how they shoot at us without fight? wtf.... and also free tip for him: PULSAR = 50% minus armor resistances and double shield hitpoints...
Best regards, W01F GEO
That said, getting fights when u have that "HARK" "K162" etc etc ticker is extremely difficult. TBQH half the time u need to leeroy into fights against all odds to try and get a fight. They just happened to leeroy into guys who didn't panic, knew what they were doing, and weren't afraid.
NJ on killing em, and it was p. ballsy for them to bring a full retard armor fleet against that much in a pulsar, even if you were PVEing.
Unlike an EANM a T2 trimarks are a waste, though.A-Type eanm, but no t2 trimarks.
Anyway. I guess they underestimated the effects of Pulsars. We tried to fight in those before (was actually temnava, too).
Trying to fight a shield fleet with an armor fleet in a Pulsar is like trying to fight a Sabre in 10 unfitted Rifters.
Encountered an 11 man corp I wanted to do this to last night. The big issue with doing that in a C3 is the lack of dreads, meaning smaller groups can't really do anything to a POS without just sitting there for HOURS shooting it.Issue there is u have carebear-only faggots just isk whoring. Pull a green-core tbh. Park a scanner alt in system, wait for their low time, bring ur fleet in, then rapecage POS/hole control. Kill all of their stuff and harvest the tears - "contribute to wspace or get the fuck out carebear faggot" is the general idea.Lately, our luck has been better in C3s. Catching people running anoms and not watching Dscan has been pretty easy lately. As far as real stand up fights, those have been turned down every single time we offer them, even at very significant disadvantages.That's good advice from Wrack. There's actually quite a lot of depth to the decision of what wormhole to stick your flag down into, as to some extent it's going to define your corp's pattern of behaviour for the duration of your stay. If you want to maximise your chances of wormhole pew, you need as big a wormhole network as possible. That means using signature sizes to scan through chains quickly and efficiently, and when your chain ends in k-space, scan the k-space and surrounding systems for more chains!
As for 'refusing to fight in any shape or form' - I think you're expecting it to come a bit too easy
Tier 3 BCs, or just rapecage their POS/starve them out. Also, there are mercs you can hire (we personally have started to decline a few pos bashing contracts as we really hate doing it, but there are others who will, and ofc if u paid us enough we'd do it).Encountered an 11 man corp I wanted to do this to last night. The big issue with doing that in a C3 is the lack of dreads, meaning smaller groups can't really do anything to a POS without just sitting there for HOURS shooting it.
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That would require us caring more about them than wanting to shoot upon their faces and elbows. We didn't want their space just their wrecks.Tier 3 BCs, or just rapecage their POS/starve them out. Also, there are mercs you can hire (we personally have started to decline a few pos bashing contracts as we really hate doing it, but there are others who will, and ofc if u paid us enough we'd do it).Encountered an 11 man corp I wanted to do this to last night. The big issue with doing that in a C3 is the lack of dreads, meaning smaller groups can't really do anything to a POS without just sitting there for HOURS shooting it.
Even in Ti3's we'd be shooting for 9 hours to RF their POSs. Not a fun day as far as I'm concerned.That would require us caring more about them than wanting to shoot upon their faces and elbows. We didn't want their space just their wrecks.Tier 3 BCs, or just rapecage their POS/starve them out. Also, there are mercs you can hire (we personally have started to decline a few pos bashing contracts as we really hate doing it, but there are others who will, and ofc if u paid us enough we'd do it).Encountered an 11 man corp I wanted to do this to last night. The big issue with doing that in a C3 is the lack of dreads, meaning smaller groups can't really do anything to a POS without just sitting there for HOURS shooting it.
Pro tip: POSes have defenses. There's no shortcut around the fact that you need serious numbers to engage a POS, while it takes only 1 guy to build that POS.Tier 3 BCs, or just rapecage their POS/starve them out. Also, there are mercs you can hire (we personally have started to decline a few pos bashing contracts as we really hate doing it, but there are others who will, and ofc if u paid us enough we'd do it).
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This is the only drawback of WH space imo.Pro tip: POSes have defenses. There's no shortcut around the fact that you need serious numbers to engage a POS, while it takes only 1 guy to build that POS.Tier 3 BCs, or just rapecage their POS/starve them out. Also, there are mercs you can hire (we personally have started to decline a few pos bashing contracts as we really hate doing it, but there are others who will, and ofc if u paid us enough we'd do it).
In k-space you can drop 20-50 dreads/titans and RF a POS in a couple minutes or w/e, in WH space not as easy. :S
FYPThis is the main advantage of WH space imo.Pro tip: POSes have defenses. There's no shortcut around the fact that you need serious numbers to engage a POS, while it takes only 1 guy to build that POS.Tier 3 BCs, or just rapecage their POS/starve them out. Also, there are mercs you can hire (we personally have started to decline a few pos bashing contracts as we really hate doing it, but there are others who will, and ofc if u paid us enough we'd do it).
Which is an advantage, that people don't drop 50 titans on things, or that a corp of 5 noobs can hide in a fortress completely impenetrable by any group of less than 30?
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