Wormhole Space (147 posts deleted and counting)

[Grarr Dexx]

Don't turn this into another unmanageable heap of shit, because I won't go light on my infractions.

[Jack Miton]

I for one, welcome our AAA overlords

edit: link for those who haven't seen it

LOL, i missed that one till now but it made my day, thanks :P
Only thing ive ever seen AAA do in WHs is get their farming fleets wiped out.

as for that Exhale. BR, i may as well have given a heads up it was gonna go down since i was away for the entire weekend....
also looking forward to the official writeup and vid.

[Casparas]

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/11/...ration-nekkar/ BR posted about cap slugfest in wspace

[AmaNutin]

I want to see how this "campaign" plays out. Nothing like losing a connection between W-space systems and having to have both scan their way to some K-space paths to reconnect.

edit: look forward to armor fleets in pulsar etc. etc on KMs

[Ampoliros]

After have repeatedly open a connection from our home system to Green-Core‘s home system and have been rejected of any engagements at any kind, even when they outnumbered us by far we informed them in local that people like that will eventually get a free pos removal service if they keep on avoiding to take part in any activities in wormhole space other than harvesting the resources of it.

And that promise we kept.

i like you guys

pro swiping of the homeworld 2 sfx in the vid as well

[Apolyon]

http://killboard.nor-corp.org/index...._related/1468/ norcorp vs starbridge

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13042933 AAA got raped

last but not least http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13044363 lead farmers, red circle and future corp team up to blobl ducks

so much stuff going on in one day

[LordsServant]

Very serious shit about to go down between all major WH Groups (Narwhals, Aharm, Exhale, etc etc) and AAA. The clansmen are coming from the hills to destroy the imperialist invaders! =D

Will keep update with status of things and let's see if AAA fights or takes the cowards way out(self D).

[Daneel Trevize]

Lords, are you posting on a Friday telling us about Monday's news that's already been ridiculed?
So far today in w-space AAA seem to have managed... this
Seems to be it for them since their cap fleet welping as posted above you. Hardly smacks of hole-control.

[two step]

Lords, are you posting on a Friday telling us about Monday's news that's already been ridiculed?
So far today in w-space AAA seem to have managed... this
Seems to be it for them since their cap fleet welping as posted above you. Hardly smacks of hole-control.

AAA has a POS coming out of RF tonight...

[Daneel Trevize]

Still, with seemingly no contact all day between any named parties, doesn't sound serious/pivotal. A huge nullsec alliance should have the advantages of numbers and timezone coverage, there should be plenty of things like scanner ship lossmails if they were trying to control routes to bring their strengths to bear. No?
Bring loads of alts with attacking forces and then throw 10 covops through each hole - some will make it and then existing routes are going to be compromised. Ready fleets in empire will be moving down the line so risky defensive collapsing is forced.
Defenders probing from a home system and looking into new sigs should result in someone getting their head blown off by a chain-collapsing force and producing some evidence of the grand offensive.

I'm sure an alliance could make a decent stab at this, after all they can far more readily cross new eden with their titans, non-super capital ships are relatively cheap, and multiple fleets could be chain-collapsing at once. I just would expect more proof if it was on-going. Unless I'm missing some ways in which you'd conceal/enact this?

[Omen Nihilo]

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13058209

More to come.

[Qui Shon]

165 people even just online at once in a single wormhole, never mind all from one side.....I think I'm going to be sick.


WTB time machine to 2009.

[olusegun obasanjo]

statics are the problem to be honest, combined with the relative scarcity of c6s has allowed power to coalesce around large numbers of small groups because their power can be predictably projected by rolling holes. what made wormholes so great in 2009 was no one really thought this process out, or had static mapper.

my idiot and not well thought out idea for new types of wormhole space

* infrequent and unpredictable connections to normal wormhole space (cut down on 16 towers in a c6->c6)
* statics no longer exist, connections are unpredictable and you can get caught "deadended" and trapped in system for a time but happens infrequently, usually as a result of attempting to roll a hole(risk vs reward of rolling a hole) this is not to say the overall the hole prevalence will be less frequent, but that you will not always have a static respawn when you close it
* slight skill loss upon podding in this space
* longer lasting holes( 48- 72 hrs or even longer), but with less mass. only certain kinds let in capitals
* anoms/sigs are not entirely class restricted (a decent variation of difficulties of sites in each system)
* active mining of moon goo, or something similarly valuable, maybe a small amount of ice mining

[LordsServant]

statics are the problem to be honest, combined with the relative scarcity of c6s has allowed power to coalesce around large numbers of small groups because their power can be predictably projected by rolling holes. what made wormholes so great in 2009 was no one really thought this process out, or had static mapper.

my idiot and not well thought out idea for new types of wormhole space

* infrequent and unpredictable connections to normal wormhole space (cut down on 16 towers in a c6->c6)
* statics no longer exist, connections are unpredictable and you can get caught "deadended" and trapped in system for a time but happens infrequently, usually as a result of attempting to roll a hole(risk vs reward of rolling a hole) this is not to say the overall the hole prevalence will be less frequent, but that you will not always have a static respawn when you close it
* slight skill loss upon podding in this space
* longer lasting holes( 48- 72 hrs or even longer), but with less mass. only certain kinds let in capitals
* anoms/sigs are not entirely class restricted (a decent variation of difficulties of sites in each system)
* active mining of moon goo, or something similarly valuable, maybe a small amount of ice mining

Get Out.

The reason there were so many people is because literally all the decent WH groups banded together to show AAA that they need to fuck off with their imperialist tendencies in WH space.

WH space is literally almost a recreation of the whole "providence fight club" thing, except we're actually good, and due to the nature of WH space it's extremely hard to do a standard invasion(like AAA is learning).

I missed last night as my new computer arrived fucked AGAIN. Sending it back to be fixed *again*. (Fucking UPS retards, wish I could send it thru Fedex)

[Qui Shon]

The reason there were so many people

The reason is irrelevant.


EDIT: Which is to say, even if I agree with the reason, it's still a strong indicator of the wormhole space I loved being gone. For good most likely, unless CCP make major changes.

[Lorkin Desal]

You man to say AAA actually tried to enact the "conqour all wormholes plan"? Oh My.

[Sandslinger]

The reason there were so many people

The reason is irrelevant.


EDIT: Which is to say, even if I agree with the reason, it's still a strong indicator of the wormhole space I loved being gone. For good most likely, unless CCP make major changes.

Sorry but I think your over-dramatizing this.

The only difference between now and then is that. Back then if Triple AAA had decided to come in and "ruin" wormholes they could have actually done it.

Now there are far too many entities that love WH and are willing to overlook their differences to ensure 0,0 stay the F out.


You spoke about there being bigh fights ruining wormholes as though the big fights somehow exlude all the small fights that happen all the time. (Very few people make battlereports about 5 on 5 fights, they tend to be rather short)

As for the ideas posted up there sorry but they are terribad. No rolling means that when your static are farmers who don't want to fight you simply don't get a fight and you would be left jacking off for the night. woohoo great game mechanics.

When everyone in wh starts rolling it becomes a cat and mouse game of who can get the drop on everyone else first. Can see how well this works by for example RNK's C5-C6 connection. they frequently get the drop on C6 alliances who have no way of getting the drop on them first. Just another piece of the tapestry.

Take that away and your left with a lot of entities being piss bored because their neighbours are just there to farm and theres nothing they can do to stop it.

Small SP loss for each death means you completely remove the new player base from wormholes as SP loss hurts them a lot more then it does the 100mil sp characters.

I hope you didn't spend a lot of time coming up with those ideas

It should be quite telling that it is by no means the largest alliances which has the most respect pvp wise.

[Omen Nihilo]

You spoke about there being bigh fights ruining wormholes as though the big fights somehow exlude all the small fights that happen all the time. (Very few people make battlereports about 5 on 5 fights, they tend to be rather short)

This.^

Also, WTB this great utopia in 2009.

Here's what I found:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=5126786
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=5528746
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=5070024

Seems eerily similar to a lot of the fights I get in 2012.

[Qui Shon]

Sorry but I think your over-dramatizing this.

The only difference between now and then is that. Back then if Triple AAA had decided to come in and "ruin" wormholes they could have actually done it.

Now there are far too many entities that love WH and are willing to overlook their differences to ensure 0,0 stay the F out.


You spoke about there being bigh fights ruining wormholes as though the big fights somehow exlude all the small fights that happen all the time. (Very few people make battlereports about 5 on 5 fights, they tend to be rather short)

They could no more have done it then, then they can now.
The level of knowledge and organization required for such undertakings, just wasn't there in 2009, in any larger entity.

And yes, the mere existence of big groups and coalitions of groups with high enough levels of organization to be efficient in large numbers despite the hurdles wormholes present, do mean that's there's a much greater chance of 5v5 to escalate to 10v20 in no time at all, or 10v50. Or 165 vs 0.

[Qui Shon]

This.^

Also, WTB this great utopia in 2009.

Here's what I found:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=5126786
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=5528746
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=5070024

Seems eerily similar to a lot of the fights I get in 2012.

That's 19, 14 and 14 ships for the larger side, respectively.

Now try to find one with 100+
I know of one possibly two 2010 which might qualify, and no 2009. That's not to say they don't exist, but if they do, show me.