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    That's a lot of NVIDIA cock-sucking in that announcement... why can't that run on all modern cards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
    That's a lot of NVIDIA cock-sucking in that announcement... why can't that run on all modern cards?
    The hearsay is that nvidia spends quite a bit of money to help developers with coding their engines so that it runs as well as possible; in such a fashion that it runs like shit on AMD hardware that focus more on parallelization than outright speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post

    The hearsay is that nvidia spends quite a bit of money to help developers with coding their engines so that it runs as well as possible; in such a fashion that it runs like shit on AMD hardware that focus more on parallelization than outright speed.
    Or as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
    That's a lot of NVIDIA cock-sucking in that announcement... why can't that run on all modern cards?
    Because AMD doesn't currently offer a video card in any of those performance tiers. The RX 580 is GTX 1060 class; which is to say it offers performance similar to last-generation's high-end cards. Which is all fine and dandy, but those are the cards Valk's original graphics settings were designed against in the first place.

    Anyhow, AFAIK there's nothing stopping you from enabling Ultra settings on an AMD card. It's just going to be slow on RX 580 cards. The new settings should do a lot better on RX Vega.
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    The announcement is basically word-bingo where you stick the word NVIDIA in front of a generic 3D rendering term. "NVIDIA lightning" "NVIDIA anti-aliasing" "NVIDIA shading". All of those things have existed for years or even decades. Sure, they've been slightly prettied up yet again, but doing that through a vendor-specific toolkit sounds extremely short-sighted. Especially when that vendor has a nasty reputation for doing this kind of thing over and over again for wholly anti-competitive and non-technical reasons. It's the hairworks debacle all over again. Letting yourself be used like that as a game company is just dumb IMHO.

    Ultra mode starting at a 1070 is an extremely convenient coincidence btw, possibly precisely for the perceived reasons you mention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
    The announcement is basically word-bingo where you stick the word NVIDIA in front of a generic 3D rendering term. "NVIDIA lightning" "NVIDIA anti-aliasing" "NVIDIA shading". All of those things have existed for years or even decades. Sure, they've been slightly prettied up yet again, but doing that through a vendor-specific toolkit sounds extremely short-sighted. Especially when that vendor has a nasty reputation for doing this kind of thing over and over again for wholly anti-competitive and non-technical reasons. It's the hairworks debacle all over again. Letting yourself be used like that as a game company is just dumb IMHO.

    Ultra mode starting at a 1070 is an extremely convenient coincidence btw, possibly precisely for the perceived reasons you mention.
    You overestimate the amount of lock-in using those achieves.

    If AMD comes out with similar rendering features they will be similar enough API that adding support for the other will be relatively easy.
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    They're not really features, you can do all those things with just DirectX. They're just lazy vendor-specific shortcuts that will never be 100% mirrored by another vendor, because they'll get a copyright infringement claim if they do.

    For the record, I'm not even mad at NVIDIA, they're just being their usual scumbag self. I am somewhat mad at all game developers who get too far in bed with just one GPU vendor for no good reason, excluding a portion of their user base in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
    That's a lot of NVIDIA cock-sucking in that announcement... why can't that run on all modern cards?
    You have no reason to continue it. Said wished-for changes were my personal opinion on what would make the game better for me, and that's that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
    They're not really features, you can do all those things with just DirectX. They're just lazy vendor-specific shortcuts that will never be 100% mirrored by another vendor, because they'll get a copyright infringement claim if they do.

    For the record, I'm not even mad at NVIDIA, they're just being their usual scumbag self. I am somewhat mad at all game developers who get too far in bed with just one GPU vendor for no good reason, excluding a portion of their user base in the process.
    That's not how copyright works. Copyright isnt anything to do with copying ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
    They're not really features, you can do all those things with just DirectX. They're just lazy vendor-specific shortcuts that will never be 100% mirrored by another vendor, because they'll get a copyright infringement claim if they do.

    For the record, I'm not even mad at NVIDIA, they're just being their usual scumbag self. I am somewhat mad at all game developers who get too far in bed with just one GPU vendor for no good reason, excluding a portion of their user base in the process.
    That's not how copyright works. Copyright isnt anything to do with copying ideas.
    Even things like API's are difficult to copyright, as the unix vs. linux header thing in the early '00's showed.

    The issue is more about mutually-assured-destruction piles of patents on on the underlying implementations.
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    IANAL no, but I was more talking about NVIDIA sticking NVIDIA in front of bloody NVIDIA anything so as soon as you try something similar or claim compatibility with that NVIDIA thing they'll go "hey now, that's our thing right there". Also they probably have more than enough budget to start "legally" harassing AMD big time so I'm assuming they'd rather just stay out of that one.

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    The thing about patents is that they are good for big guys to harass new small competitors out, but if two big companies decide to go at each others with patents and all that crap they both will just lose due to the huge costs of that litigation no matter what the end verdict is 10 years down the line.

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    So, anyone playing this or just a thread to talk about nvidia?

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    It's EVE related. Of course nobody plays it. We're here to shitpoast and complain, not play games..


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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheps View Post
    It's EVE related. Of course nobody plays it. We're here to shitpoast and complain, not play games..
    Sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
    They're not really features, you can do all those things with just DirectX. They're just lazy vendor-specific shortcuts that will never be 100% mirrored by another vendor, because they'll get a copyright infringement claim if they do.

    For the record, I'm not even mad at NVIDIA, they're just being their usual scumbag self. I am somewhat mad at all game developers who get too far in bed with just one GPU vendor for no good reason, excluding a portion of their user base in the process.
    I never do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakshasa The Cat View Post

    You overestimate the amount of lock-in using those achieves.

    If AMD comes out with similar rendering features they will be similar enough API that adding support for the other will be relatively easy.
    They're not really features, you can take that as a given.

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