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    Re: Tengu

    Any idea if you can still solo C3's or C4's with it? neuts and all?

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Alisanos
    Any idea if you can still solo C3's or C4's with it? neuts and all?
    Yes. It helps if you have a pith EM shield amp instead of one of the EM hardeners, and you might have to go retarded on CPR in the lows if you don't bring enough fleetmates, but 3 Tengus is still p. good in a C4.
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    Re: Tengu

    You can do both C3s solo and C4s in a small gang with very cheap fits.

    This solo fit will even work in a wolf-rayet if you're careful:

    [Tengu, Solo]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Capacitor Flux Coil II
    Damage Control II

    Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
    Shield Boost Amplifier II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Photon Scattering Field II
    Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers


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    3 of these can probably run a C4, 4 of them is a cakewalk:

    [Tengu, C4 RR]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Co-Processor II
    Damage Control II

    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Photon Scattering Field II
    Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

    Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
    Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

    Dissolution sequencer (and therefore the co-processor) is needed for the retarded ranges you encounter in C4 anoms.
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    Re: Tengu

    4-5 of those run c5 sites like a boss as well. The least i used was 3 but i used a loki booster with shield links and a sig reduction link.


    

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    Re: Tengu

    I'm thinking about training for one of these, but do you have to use t2 missiles or will it do fine with t1? Also I get a fair few Blood/Sansha missions so should I not bother with the tengu at all? (I have 0 SP in amarr)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaes
    I'm thinking about training for one of these, but do you have to use t2 missiles or will it do fine with t1? Also I get a fair few Blood/Sansha missions so should I not bother with the tengu at all? (I have 0 SP in amarr)
    Works fine for Blood/Sansha just use Thunderbolt Heavy Missiles instead of Scourge.
    As for T2 it offers a dps increase and the use of Fury missiles but its not a earth shattering difference.
    Doesn't even take long to get Heavy Missile Spec anyway.

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    Re: Tengu

    I've been looking around and thinking of scan-capable build, and none of the builds I've seen on here so far cover that. I don't want to run a scanning/salvaging alt, I want to scan shit down in my main ship on my main account. Here's what I've come up with, please point out any glaring failures.

    (lowsec exploration, c1 c2 wormholes)

    Adaptive Shielding
    Emergent Locus Analyzer
    Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Fuel Catalyst

    5x T2 Heavy Missile Launcher (scourge fury)
    1x Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher (sisters probes)

    10mn RF AB
    2x T2 Invuln
    1x faction/complex mag scatter amp
    1x T2 Boost Amp
    1x medium complex booster

    1x CN BCU
    3x T2 BCU

    2x t1 rigor
    1x ti ccc

    omni tanks ~500 dps, runs indefinitely, deals 572 dps @100k (80km locking range)

    Any glaring holes in that build, aside from perhaps an unnecessarily strong tank and kind of low dps? I am not willing to lose the probe launcher, I am willing to make other adjustments. Have all subsystems at 4.

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by cpt.lain
    I've been looking around and thinking of scan-capable build [...]
    Any glaring holes in that build, aside from perhaps an unnecessarily strong tank and kind of low dps?
    I'm going to assume you're not going the cloaky tengu route, because you're worried about dps, so I'll just put it out there that cloaks in lowsec are pretty cool.

    Assuming you don't just grab an unprobable fit and swap in the RR subsystem for a probe launcher, I suggest:

    Carry codebreaker and analyzer in cargohold - swap out SBA for it. (Some ppl I know run with codebreaker all the time, because they do a lot of radar sites).

    For more DPS use a 6-launcher fit. As long as you're somewhat close to cap stability you'll be fine.

    Be prepared to fit a gravity capacitor upgrade if required vOv.

    Have all subsystems at 4.
    Oh come on. Don't complain about DPS, cap stability or tank if you don't have the subsystem skills at V. If you're doing exploration, you need electronic sub at V as well, which is the only sub I have left at IV.
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    Re: Tengu

    If you are just going to do C1/C2 use a Drake instead.

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    Quote Originally Posted by Malaes
    I'm thinking about training for one of these, but do you have to use t2 missiles or will it do fine with t1? Also I get a fair few Blood/Sansha missions so should I not bother with the tengu at all? (I have 0 SP in amarr)
    Works fine for Blood/Sansha just use Thunderbolt Heavy Missiles instead of Scourge.
    As for T2 it offers a dps increase and the use of Fury missiles but its not a earth shattering difference.
    Doesn't even take long to get Heavy Missile Spec anyway.

    You have no problem in blood sanctums with the neuting and low base EM resists? just orbit out at max range?

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    As for T2 it offers a dps increase and the use of Fury missiles but its not a earth shattering difference.
    Yeah, what's 30% more dps?

    pff.
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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Sponk
    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    As for T2 it offers a dps increase and the use of Fury missiles but its not a earth shattering difference.
    Yeah, what's 30% more dps?

    pff.
    It's not like using a titan to hit a sanctum after using a bs. So no its not earth shattering and besides you failed to quote what I said after.
    If you are going to try and pff post at least make it on something I posted that was silly.

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    Re: Tengu

    30% is a pretty decent increase; it's 1.5 BCS which is a fair chunk of damage for something so accessible.

    fake edit: pff
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    Re: Tengu

    Maybe I should have asked is the isk/hr increase worth the cost of t2 vs t1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaes
    Maybe I should have asked is the isk/hr increase worth the cost of t2 vs t1
    What cost? The only T2 missiles you'll use are FURY to hit BS hard not to mention arbys cost 12-13mil compared to less than 1mil for a T2 launcher.

    Be making more isk per hour with T2 at the end of the day.

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    I think he means t2 missiles ammunition not launchers
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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Pacefalm
    I think he means t2 missiles ammunition not launchers
    I do! I wouldnt dirty a t3 ship with not t2 launchers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaes
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacefalm
    I think he means t2 missiles ammunition not launchers
    I do! I wouldnt dirty a t3 ship with not t2 launchers
    Be surprised how many do fit arby to a Tengu.

    FURY is worthwhile on most BS sized targets, as its quite an increase in dps.

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    Quote Originally Posted by Malaes
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacefalm
    I think he means t2 missiles ammunition not launchers
    I do! I wouldnt dirty a t3 ship with not t2 launchers
    Be surprised how many do fit arby to a Tengu.

    FURY is worthwhile on most BS sized targets, as its quite an increase in dps.
    Cool, ill make sure I carry both then. Now just to wait for caldari cruiser V to finish

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    Re: Tengu

    Confirming that I two-shot non-elite cruisers with Scourge Fury while Scourge takes an extra salvo to kill. Battleships are down to ten salvos but my skills/implants/modules aren't stellar.

    A single Rigor Catalyst rig almost removes the penalty of Fury missiles; a T2 rig or multiple T1 rigors are commonly fit to Tengus.
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