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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Raz
    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    I'll be honest I prefer my 0.0 Mission fit (unprobable) for pretty much everything.
    Well seems like a waste for sanctums since people don't bother probing you down in an anomaly. But certainly it's good.
    It's more a case of you can run Sanctums tank/gank easy enough, then when you need to go afk just warp to safe.
    Better than having to bodge a cov ops cloak on which would nerf dps.

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora148
    someone worked out that one of either Flare or Rigor rigs was better, but i can't remember.

    anyone know?
    http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1352440/page/1

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    Re: Tengu

    So two of each with a CCC is optimal?

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    Re: Tengu

    If you fight a lot of frigates, 2 x Rigor II + CCC I might be ok if it saves you entire launches vs small stuff.
    scourge fury -> 103.2m
    scourge -> 60m

    For general purpose work, use BLA II + Rigor I, and rely on +17.6% ROF.
    scourge fury -> 137m
    scourge -> 79.7m

    It won't save you launch cycles per kill but it will decrease the time of each cycle vs everything, not just frigates.
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    Re: Tengu

    heres a question, for lvl4's

    sanctum whore fit or CNR.. i have t2 torps but not cruise. dont plan to get them either.

    i do have a lg crystal set.. if that helps, and no logi help


    [Tengu, Sanctum Whore]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
    Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
    Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
    Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
    Invulnerability Field II
    Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    changed it around a lil bit, since i have the DG amp and CN invul.
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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Vasponger
    heres a question, for lvl4's

    sanctum whore fit or CNR.. i have t2 torps but not cruise. dont plan to get them either.

    i do have a lg crystal set.. if that helps, and no logi help


    [Tengu, Sanctum Whore]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
    Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
    Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
    Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
    Invulnerability Field II
    Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


    changed it around a lil bit, since i have the DG amp and CN invul.
    Going off your fit, plugging in a LG set and swapping some mods around i get this;


    [Tengu, Sanctum Whore]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
    Target Painter II
    ECCM - Gravimetric II
    Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
    Invulnerability Field II
    Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    omnitank is 219 but factor in the tiny sig you have, good AB speed and good dps that's really enough.
    Cap lasts 14mins, but assuming you're gonna have downtime with the TP it ends up stable

    suggestions;

    empty rig slot (ccc2 wasn't needed) maybe a shield rig, propulsion rig
    upgrade the t2 bcus to CN (can hit over 700dps with 4xCN and no hardwires)
    for harder missions maybe try with mission-spec hardeners to begin with (1 booster 2 hardeners for guristas gives you 570 tanked f.ex)

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    Re: Tengu

    Target Painter is pretty much useless.

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    Target Painter is pretty much useless.
    could be another eccm i suppose, but if it already has enough tank there's not much else to throw in.

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    Target Painter is pretty much useless.
    This. TPs have a pretty limited use in PVE, given they're mainly used on Golems. Bombers don't suffer from it as much given the radius bonuses, which at last check, were better than Golem.

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    Re: Tengu

    I used to rock a web on it just to slow those damn spider drones down so heavies hit for worthwhile damage iirc webbed it would only take 3 volleys.

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    I used to rock a web on it just to slow those damn spider drones down so heavies hit for worthwhile damage iirc webbed it would only take 3 volleys.
    They only take me 3-4 anyway with T1 scourges.

    I have 2x T2 Rigor 1x T2 Flare on the Tengu my hi-sec alt uses. Domination Medium Shield booster + Boost Amp + Invuln II + rat specific hardener provides ample tank for any mission.
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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    [Tengu, 0.0 Mission]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Gravimetric Backup Array II

    Domination 10MN Afterburner
    Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay

    729 dps tanked versus Guristas/Serpentis
    634dps dealt.

    Completely unprobable using non Fury Heavy Missiles.
    If you got those fancy ECCM implant sets then you can dick around with the fit but its a solid setup for running missions, will even do Sanctums.
    Compared to the above setup its abit more pricey due to the Shield Booster and loses out on some dps.
    I'm not getting anywhere near this much tanked, unless I add HG crystals. While I do happen to have a set, I didn't need to add it in to get the tanks quoted in the other setups.

    Any chance I'm doing it wrong?

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    Re: Tengu

    Look at that post of mine you quoted now find the bit that says
    729 dps tanked versus Guristas/Serpentis

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    Re: Tengu

    Yeah got that part. I'm using a 40therm/60kin, which I know is not exact. Not to mention that I'm using that dmg profile for the other 2 fits, and they are within ~5% without implants.


    The 0.0 mission fit is easily 50% off my numbers w/o crystals, but with 5% with. This is already using my guristas dmg profile in both cases.

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    Re: Tengu

    Yup you are correct, I'll hold my hands up to this one I made a mistake some where.

    Even swapping the Invulns for Kin/Therm Hards I can't get the right number and using Crystals throws it way past 800dps tanked.
    Using Invulns + HG Crystals gets 720dps tanked but that's not the number I posted and I don't really use anything but Snakes/+5s implants so all I can say is fuck knows.

    Given the ECM with Guristas its still a good solid fit, to be honest with the speed tank it hardly requires boosting.

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    Re: Tengu

    If the fit still works for the desired application, I couldn't give a rats if the tank #'s don't match. If you can tank 0.0 missions ( and run santums) in that fit with less dps tanked, all the better.

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    Re: Tengu

    Yeah the fit has been tested its just the numbers came out wrong for some reason.
    Hugely overkill for level 4 missions unless there is like a buttload of webs going down but the killrate is high enough that even quad webbed down you can usually tank enough to free yourself to AB around like a loon.
    Tanks Sanctums fine just remember to keep orbiting something as speed plays a hugely important part.
    Of course if you aren't bothered by a need for ECCM just fill those slots with more tank/gank mods.

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    Re: Tengu

    Me:
    With two kinetic hardeners I get 749 dps tanked against Guristas (Damageprofile is: 86% Kinetic/14% Heat). Maybe that is what you used.

    Helen:
    Nah I somehow got 729 dps tanked which doesn't match against any variation of hardeners I've come up with so far.
    It's no big deal as its a moot point anyway.

    Me:
    Just thought 749 is close enough and 729 could have been a typing error, but as you said, moot point.
    Edit is the new quote

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    Re: Tengu

    I confess I sometimes fit the remote rep subsystem just for a core probe launcher in the utility high :/
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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Morrigan
    Me:
    With two kinetic hardeners I get 749 dps tanked against Guristas (Damageprofile is: 86% Kinetic/14% Heat). Maybe that is what you used.

    Helen:
    Nah I somehow got 729 dps tanked which doesn't match against any variation of hardeners I've come up with so far.
    It's no big deal as its a moot point anyway.

    Me:
    Just thought 749 is close enough and 729 could have been a typing error, but as you said, moot point.
    Edit is the new quote
    Nah I wouldn't of fit two Kin Hards against Guristas on a Tengu fit ever so a typo wouldn't of fit with that mistake anyway.

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