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    [PVE] Tengu

    Stand by for multiple fits.

    [Tengu, Sanctum Whore]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
    Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
    Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
    Republic Fleet Shield Boost Amplifier
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    683dps tanked versus Guristas/Serpentis
    672dps dealt

    [Tengu, 0.0 Mission]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Gravimetric Backup Array II

    Domination 10MN Afterburner
    Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay

    729 dps tanked versus Guristas/Serpentis
    634dps dealt.

    Completely unprobable using non Fury Heavy Missiles.
    If you got those fancy ECCM implant sets then you can dick around with the fit but its a solid setup for running missions, will even do Sanctums.
    Compared to the above setup its abit more pricey due to the Shield Booster and loses out on some dps.

    [Tengu, Pimped out Tengu]
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

    True Sansha Cap Recharger
    True Sansha Cap Recharger
    Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
    Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
    Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
    Dread Guristas Photon Scattering Field

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

    2414 dps tanked versus Guristas/Serpentis
    611 dps dealt

    As with the above fits runs completely cap stable although barely in the above configuration.
    With crystals this setup gets silly with 3662 dps tanked.

    Most of these fits don't usually include hardwirings/implant sets unless mentioned.

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    Re: Tengu

    someone worked out that one of either Flare or Rigor rigs was better, but i can't remember.

    anyone know?

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    Re: Tengu

    Fuck knows I think I looked on EvE O and it was said (numbers were involved) that one of each Flare & Rigor was best.
    Might have a look again for the thread but seems like a lot of effort.

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    Re: Tengu

    i think with T2 it's one of each, with T1 it's 2x rigor. or something

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    Re: Tengu

    [citation needed]

    especially before I fit that second Rigor II
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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by teds
    i think with T2 it's one of each, with T1 it's 2x rigor. or something
    Might actually look this up today but yeah that's the way I think. T1 its 2 x Rigor but T2 one of each.

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    Re: Tengu

    Would especially like to know whether the best rigs change with scourge fury-vs-t1.
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    Re: Tengu

    Well from my experience the T2 one of each works good for my Tengu, kills frigs pretty damn fast which I found surprising after using a Drake.

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    Re: Tengu

    Paging Liang...
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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    [Tengu, Pimped out Tengu]
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    With stacking penalties, the 5th BCS adds ~15dps. Is it really worth it, over a DCU or a mobility mod?

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    [Tengu, 0.0 Mission]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Gravimetric Backup Array II

    Domination 10MN Afterburner
    Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
    Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay

    729 dps tanked versus Guristas/Serpentis
    634dps dealt.

    Completely unprobable using non Fury Heavy Missiles.
    If you got those fancy ECCM implant sets then you can dick around with the fit but its a solid setup for running missions, will even do Sanctums.
    Compared to the above setup its abit more pricey due to the Shield Booster and loses out on some dps.
    I use a similar 4 BCU (some of them faction), 3 midslots ECCM setup. Should be unprobable even with Scourge Fury (signature 206, sensor strength 195). At that point the tank is somewhat thin, so I avoid some missions (Downing the Slavers 2/2, Ritualist Raids).

    The ECCM implants are bugged. Worked great for a while, but after a while the sensor strength dropped as if I didn't have a Dissolution Sequencer fitted (logging / waiting for downtime / etc didn't solve it; seems to be a known issue to everyone except the guys handling the petition / bug queue at CCP). Unplugging them solved the issue. Same happened to a corp mate in a Legion.

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Pascal Almaric
    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    [Tengu, Pimped out Tengu]
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
    With stacking penalties, the 5th BCS adds ~15dps. Is it really worth it, over a DCU or a mobility mod?
    When I first started EvE ooooh 8 years ago now I got told something by a guy who started even before I did, he said "son when you got enough tank why not have more gank".
    I've lived by that mantra all my time in EvE its why I use titans for pve.

    Yeah gert I know the ECCM implants got/get bugged but to be honest I've never been a fan of using pirate implants to make a fit work.

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    Yeah gert I know the ECCM implants got/get bugged but to be honest I've never been a fan of using pirate implants to make a fit work.
    Me neither. Ironically I bought reasonably cheap 3 low grades as additional insurance for a fairly expensive ship and jumpclone.

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    Re: Tengu

    Should mention I quite often run that Tengu around with Snakes, as the locals in Derelik find out when they try to camp me.

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by gert
    Ironically I bought reasonably cheap 3 low grades as additional insurance for a fairly expensive ship and jumpclone.
    That's your problem. High-grades aren't bugged; only low-grades.
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    Re: Tengu

    Any setups for lvl4 missions? will be better than my raven and way quicker to get than a marauder...

    [Tengu, t2 lvl4]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Damage Control II

    10MN Afterburner II
    Medium Shield Booster II
    Shield Boost Amplifier II
    Photon Scattering Field II
    Photon Scattering Field II
    Heat Dissipation Field II

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
    Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    400 dps dealt w/ my rather bad skills
    470 dps tanked versus em/therm

    not sure what to use as the last rig? with a flare i use 1% too much CPU, which is ok but will I be able to kill frigs with it? i usually run amarr missions as I only have standings for them...

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashigari
    Any setups for lvl4 missions? will be better than my raven and way quicker to get than a marauder...

    [Tengu, t2 lvl4]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Damage Control II

    10MN Afterburner II
    Medium Shield Booster II
    Shield Boost Amplifier II
    Photon Scattering Field II
    Photon Scattering Field II
    Heat Dissipation Field II

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
    Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    400 dps dealt w/ my rather bad skills
    470 dps tanked versus em/therm

    not sure what to use as the last rig? with a flare i use 1% too much CPU, which is ok but will I be able to kill frigs with it? i usually run amarr missions as I only have standings for them...
    Try a CPU hardwiring/named and or faction SBA.
    To be honest there is a lot of things you can change on your setup quite easily to effect the cpu.
    If you got the cash my Sanctum Whore fit at the top will easily blast LvL 4 missions.

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    Stand by for multiple fits.

    [Tengu, Sanctum Whore]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
    Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
    Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
    Republic Fleet Shield Boost Amplifier
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    683dps tanked versus Guristas/Serpentis
    672dps dealt
    For Sanctums you really don't need that much tank and jamming/damps are going to be more annoying than anything else since sanctum whoring is all about isk/hour.

    [Tengu, whore whore whore]
    Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
    Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
    Heat Dissipation Field II
    Ballistic Deflection Field II
    Shield Boost Amplifier II
    Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
    Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I

    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
    Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
    Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

    Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
    Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
    Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
    Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
    Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

    Tanks 393 Guristas/Serp which is plenty for sanctums and deals out matching DPS to Helen's fit. I swapped two faction BCS on it to knock it up to 701. I don't think a third and fourth faction BCS are worth the minimal gain, but two are certainly worthwhile.

    Using rat specific hardeners and only one SSB lets you free a midslot for ECCM to put your sensor strength up to 68.6 or swap a sebo against Serpentis. Also doesn't need the CCC rig so you can fit a 2nd T2 rigor for faster frig raping.

    Without the omni-tank you're alot more vulnerable if you get caught in your sanctum of course, but then you're stupid and deserve what happens to you.
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    burning straight up when surrounded by bad guys... when you explode you will be a rising beautiful testament to el33t pvp escaping into the ether above those beneath you and they will immediately realize, upon viewing your bold presence above them, their inferiority and they will feel bad for what they done.
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    Re: Tengu

    I'll be honest I prefer my 0.0 Mission fit (unprobable) for pretty much everything.

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    Re: Tengu

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    I'll be honest I prefer my 0.0 Mission fit (unprobable) for pretty much everything.
    Well seems like a waste for sanctums since people don't bother probing you down in an anomaly. But certainly it's good.
    Quote Originally Posted by joe space View Post
    burning straight up when surrounded by bad guys... when you explode you will be a rising beautiful testament to el33t pvp escaping into the ether above those beneath you and they will immediately realize, upon viewing your bold presence above them, their inferiority and they will feel bad for what they done.
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