[PVE] Tengu

[Helen]

Stand by for multiple fits.

[Tengu, Sanctum Whore]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Shield Boost Amplifier
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

683dps tanked versus Guristas/Serpentis
672dps dealt

[Tengu, 0.0 Mission]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Gravimetric Backup Array II

Domination 10MN Afterburner
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay

729 dps tanked versus Guristas/Serpentis
634dps dealt.

Completely unprobable using non Fury Heavy Missiles.
If you got those fancy ECCM implant sets then you can dick around with the fit but its a solid setup for running missions, will even do Sanctums.
Compared to the above setup its abit more pricey due to the Shield Booster and loses out on some dps.

[Tengu, Pimped out Tengu]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Dread Guristas Photon Scattering Field

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

2414 dps tanked versus Guristas/Serpentis
611 dps dealt

As with the above fits runs completely cap stable although barely in the above configuration.
With crystals this setup gets silly with 3662 dps tanked.

Most of these fits don't usually include hardwirings/implant sets unless mentioned.

[Aurora148]

someone worked out that one of either Flare or Rigor rigs was better, but i can't remember.

anyone know?

[Helen]

Fuck knows I think I looked on EvE O and it was said (numbers were involved) that one of each Flare & Rigor was best.
Might have a look again for the thread but seems like a lot of effort.

[teds]

i think with T2 it's one of each, with T1 it's 2x rigor. or something

[Sponk]

[citation needed]

especially before I fit that second Rigor II

[Helen]

i think with T2 it's one of each, with T1 it's 2x rigor. or something

Might actually look this up today but yeah that's the way I think. T1 its 2 x Rigor but T2 one of each.

[Sponk]

Would especially like to know whether the best rigs change with scourge fury-vs-t1.

[Helen]

Well from my experience the T2 one of each works good for my Tengu, kills frigs pretty damn fast which I found surprising after using a Drake.

[Sponk]

Paging Liang...

[Pascal Almaric]

[Tengu, Pimped out Tengu]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

With stacking penalties, the 5th BCS adds ~15dps. Is it really worth it, over a DCU or a mobility mod?

[gert]

[Tengu, 0.0 Mission]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Gravimetric Backup Array II

Domination 10MN Afterburner
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay

729 dps tanked versus Guristas/Serpentis
634dps dealt.

Completely unprobable using non Fury Heavy Missiles.
If you got those fancy ECCM implant sets then you can dick around with the fit but its a solid setup for running missions, will even do Sanctums.
Compared to the above setup its abit more pricey due to the Shield Booster and loses out on some dps.

I use a similar 4 BCU (some of them faction), 3 midslots ECCM setup. Should be unprobable even with Scourge Fury (signature 206, sensor strength 195). At that point the tank is somewhat thin, so I avoid some missions (Downing the Slavers 2/2, Ritualist Raids).

The ECCM implants are bugged. Worked great for a while, but after a while the sensor strength dropped as if I didn't have a Dissolution Sequencer fitted (logging / waiting for downtime / etc didn't solve it; seems to be a known issue to everyone except the guys handling the petition / bug queue at CCP). Unplugging them solved the issue. Same happened to a corp mate in a Legion.

[Helen]

[Tengu, Pimped out Tengu]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

With stacking penalties, the 5th BCS adds ~15dps. Is it really worth it, over a DCU or a mobility mod?

When I first started EvE ooooh 8 years ago now I got told something by a guy who started even before I did, he said "son when you got enough tank why not have more gank".
I've lived by that mantra all my time in EvE its why I use titans for pve.

Yeah gert I know the ECCM implants got/get bugged but to be honest I've never been a fan of using pirate implants to make a fit work.

[gert]

Yeah gert I know the ECCM implants got/get bugged but to be honest I've never been a fan of using pirate implants to make a fit work.

Me neither. Ironically I bought reasonably cheap 3 low grades as additional insurance for a fairly expensive ship and jumpclone.

[Helen]

Should mention I quite often run that Tengu around with Snakes, as the locals in Derelik find out when they try to camp me.

[Sponk]

Ironically I bought reasonably cheap 3 low grades as additional insurance for a fairly expensive ship and jumpclone.

That's your problem. High-grades aren't bugged; only low-grades.

[Ashigari]

Any setups for lvl4 missions? will be better than my raven and way quicker to get than a marauder...

[Tengu, t2 lvl4]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Photon Scattering Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

400 dps dealt w/ my rather bad skills
470 dps tanked versus em/therm

not sure what to use as the last rig? with a flare i use 1% too much CPU, which is ok but will I be able to kill frigs with it? i usually run amarr missions as I only have standings for them...

[Helen]

Any setups for lvl4 missions? will be better than my raven and way quicker to get than a marauder...

[Tengu, t2 lvl4]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Photon Scattering Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

400 dps dealt w/ my rather bad skills
470 dps tanked versus em/therm

not sure what to use as the last rig? with a flare i use 1% too much CPU, which is ok but will I be able to kill frigs with it? i usually run amarr missions as I only have standings for them...

Try a CPU hardwiring/named and or faction SBA.
To be honest there is a lot of things you can change on your setup quite easily to effect the cpu.
If you got the cash my Sanctum Whore fit at the top will easily blast LvL 4 missions.

[Raz]

Stand by for multiple fits.

[Tengu, Sanctum Whore]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Shield Boost Amplifier
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

683dps tanked versus Guristas/Serpentis
672dps dealt

For Sanctums you really don't need that much tank and jamming/damps are going to be more annoying than anything else since sanctum whoring is all about isk/hour.

[Tengu, whore whore whore]
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Tanks 393 Guristas/Serp which is plenty for sanctums and deals out matching DPS to Helen's fit. I swapped two faction BCS on it to knock it up to 701. I don't think a third and fourth faction BCS are worth the minimal gain, but two are certainly worthwhile.

Using rat specific hardeners and only one SSB lets you free a midslot for ECCM to put your sensor strength up to 68.6 or swap a sebo against Serpentis. Also doesn't need the CCC rig so you can fit a 2nd T2 rigor for faster frig raping.

Without the omni-tank you're alot more vulnerable if you get caught in your sanctum of course, but then you're stupid and deserve what happens to you.

[Helen]

I'll be honest I prefer my 0.0 Mission fit (unprobable) for pretty much everything.

[Raz]

I'll be honest I prefer my 0.0 Mission fit (unprobable) for pretty much everything.

Well seems like a waste for sanctums since people don't bother probing you down in an anomaly. But certainly it's good.