lmao epicOriginally Posted by Hippoking
lmao epicOriginally Posted by Hippoking
I'm not a girl, and I don't know what a "Mendolorian" is.. I think it might be a self healing car that travels through time.
missing commentary about being on all fours and always doing all the cooking while men just have to stand around wearing armor
i read threads and make bad posts and i'm all out of read threads
shitposting shitposts one shitpost at a shitpost
I didn't think I could like this more than I already do, then suddenly :feminists:
:feminists:My Little Pony is tricky territory from a feminist perspective. As a social phenomenon, it falls squarely in the disputed land between Second Wave and Third Wave feminism.
Second Wave feminists feel that My Little Pony is damaging because it perpetuates feminine stereotypes. Third Wave feminists (like myself) feel that something isn't automatically wrong because girls like it. And if girls like My Little Pony, they are free to do so.
This more nuanced understanding of the world depends heavily, however, in what the creators do with the product. For example, Disney Princesses. The princesses spend most of their time sighing sadly over some dude. They don't spend a lot of time, you know, DOING STUFF. You can find a lot of Disney Princess home decorations, but precious few active, useful items.
My Little Pony is a little bit different. It's just as pink and sparkly. (Peformative gender? You're soaking in it!) But the ponies - who are almost exclusively female - DO STUFF. They don't clop around sadly waiting for a boy pony to save them from their lonesome castle tower prisons. They get out there and have lives and passions and activities and solve crimes and help people.
From the outside, Disney Princess and My Little Pony might seem to be pretty much the same thing. But in actuality, they are diametrically opposed.
These schisms - between Disney Princess mush and My Little Pony; between Second Wave and Third Wave feminism - are laid bare in this article and response on the Ms. Magazine website.
To sum up, a Ms. Magazine contributor caught an episode of the smash hit My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (a single episode, out of context) and was displeased. Lauren Faust, the show's creator, read the article and was hurt, because she has in fact worked very hard to create a girl-positive show.
Second, I was impressed by the fact that the ponies exist in a world which is primarily female. That's a big change from most kids' cartoons, which typically have a 10-20% female cast. (One exception being the Powerpuff Girls - which was also produced by Lauren Faust.)
This is clearly a show for girls, and about girls. In the few minutes I watched, the female characters consistently took independent action. One of my beefs about kids' cartoons is that all too often, the female characters spend all their time following someone else's lead, which essentially relegates them to the position of support staff to the male characters.
Moreover, I was won over by Lauren Faust's passionate explanation of what she's trying to do and why. My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic isn't the show for me, but I'm very glad it exists.
edit: @hippo: when you quoted the ms. magazine blog you forgot the last line. the "what's your take?" actually encourages discussion instead of just presenting some authorative statements (like they look like in your post)
Well if we want discussion;So overall, these are the lessons My Little Pony teaches girls:
- Magical white ponies are suited for leadership; black ponies are suited to be servants.
- Stop learning! You will overcome any obstacle by resorting to strength in numbers (of friends).
- Girls that wear rainbows are butch.
- You need the government (ideally a monarch invested with supreme ultimate power and a phallic symbol strapped to her forehead) to tell you what to do with your life.[/*:m:2ivecvkk]
- Twilight / Main character is Purple. Others have random colours.[/*:m:2ivecvkk]
- How is having friends or solving things with other people bad, wth. Also twilight is a total nerd.[/*:m:2ivecvkk]
- Pretty sure Dash is the smallest adult pony around. She likes competetion and physcal activity, for shame![/*:m:2ivecvkk]
I hated Rarity too, that is until ep 19:Originally Posted by LoKiPP
It took you until episode 19 to like Rarity? She redeemed herself at 14 for me. :POriginally Posted by Venec
<&QuackBot> Fuggin: There once was a man named tugginfuggin. He oft tugged his fuggin. That is the tale of tugginfuggin.
Hip hip hooray, it's Pony day!
adj; underdeveloped, esp mentally and esp having an IQ of 70 to 85 See also ESN, mental handicap, subnormal
friendship is magic is going to air in the middle east this summer, I predict world peace will ensue.
1. i agree with you - it's hard to make connections to racism by looking at the main cast. questions regarding representation of 'race' only based on 'color' are hard to ask in a cartoon with a fantasy setting. but then you have the episode with zecora which screams "NOBLE SAVAGE!!!!" from the top of its lungs .. with a megaphon. classic (and still popular - just look at the burqa thread >_> ) racist depictions of the 'other' are either barbaric wilds or noble savages - in this case she inscribes into the latter.Originally Posted by Edara
e: if i'm not mistaken, weren't there also references to heart of darkness in this episode?
2. in this case both points are valid. for one many feminists would agree that the depiction of cooperative behavior (some would call it friendship) is something strongly needed in mainstream representation of girls. usually it's a depiction of competition (esp. as some sort of scheme regarding popularity or a love interest). at the same time the argument put forward (in the actual text, not the excerpt posted above) was the explicit order by her superior to stop learning and make some friends. in this sense it repeats the connotation that girls/women are experts for social stuff, while boys/men are experts for scientific stuff (in the broadest sense of the term*) - and that twilight lacks the former. it wouldn't go as far to say the whole show is a big "make friends not science!" argument put forward - but then again you also have to consider a certain anti-scientific stance in some episodes (esp. feeling pinky keen) .. would also be interesting to analyze to which extent there's a depicted dichotomy between 'being social' and 'studying' in the sense of either/or.
3. the problem with rainbow dash is, that she's not only the most 'masculine' of them all - in the sense of activities - but also the most egocentric one. i might be wrong - but i haven't seen an episode yet in which rainbow dash wasn't self-centered (sure, she changed her behavior at some points, but usually only after being given an example by the others in the clique.) add to it that she actually is rainbow colored - a symbol often associated with the LGBT movement. combine this together (female, tomboyish, egocentric, with an (accidental?) reference to LGBT) and you get the typical stereotype of the rude and selfish butch. at the same time it has to be said - rainbow dash seems to be one of the favorites in the reception, so afterall this doesn't seem to be the dominant reading of this character.
4. do i really have to post this pic? the fact that she also has the biggest horn is self-explanatory, isn't it? a classic example of connecting power with phallic symbolism.
*) the only ponies that would come close to our modern understanding of science/technology would be pinky pie with her hilarious contraptions, which would represent some technical expertise and twilight with her research field of 'magic' seems usually occupied with procedures linked to academic/scientific work (archiving, writing and publishing texts, doing experiments). it should be mentioned tho, that it is an outdated - as in: aristocratic - representation, while currently knowledge workers tend to be in a more precarious position.
tl;dr: discussions (and cultural studies) are srs bsns
ohgod.. feminists created discussion in the pony thread
ps: if theres feminists, why are there masculinists?
on a final note, i find it fun how feminists tend to project their world view of how "every woman should be like this and we would suck less as a gender" and seems to believe anything contradictory to their view including anything produced anywhere by anybody that can be seen by the next generation of feminists must be destroyed.
you'd be surprised how wrong you are.Originally Posted by Rudolf Miller
hint: two feminist blogger were posted - one was pro, one was contra. neither of them insinuated that their position was 'objective' or 'universal'.
Nice post.Originally Posted by untilted
Just saw the rest of the picture that is the source of my avatar. I think I'll leave it cropped.
Now you made me curious.