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Thread: Scottish Dependence thread - bye bye Mr Salmond, bye bye

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombcrater View Post
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    My guess, final vote goes No 56%, Yes 44%.
    I predicted No 53-56% earlier, but I'll firm that up to the same figures as you. I think the 'shy noes' effect is real and will be a factor, and the polls came too late for their fieldwork to reflect any uptick in No support from the increasing media reports of disorderly Yes supporters and, crucially, Gordon Brown's speech today, which was the single best thing the No campaign has done.

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    I predict people will vote and about half will be disappointed by the result.
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    I hope the vote comes up "no." There's way too much nationalism, partisanship and bickering in the world right now as things are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evelgrivion View Post
    I hope the vote comes up "no." There's way too much nationalism, partisanship and bickering in the world right now as things are.
    Amen to that Brother

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    115%/10% yes

    edit: oh and 99% turnout
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    I predict a No and more empty promises from Westminster, followed by more bitterness, another referendum in 15 years and finally apathy and no one giving a shit anymore.

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    I'm probably late on this and it's already been discussed but...

    Why decide to break up a country on a bare majority vote anyways?? This strikes me as the sort of thing that should require 2/3rds majority or something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrus Tenebros View Post
    I'm probably late on this and it's already been discussed but...

    Why decide to break up a country on a bare majority vote anyways?? This strikes me as the sort of thing that should require 2/3rds majority or something...
    No, it's not a case of having a starting point and deciding wheter we pick A or B. That can require a 2/3rds majority, it's fine, because we can fall back on the status quo. This is a case where the starting point is A and the alternative is B. The only way to not be biased here is to give the same weight to both options. That principle has been upheld by courts before. The only way to be fair is 50/50, anything else isn't. I get that one option has more *change*, but both options have the same number of consequences, each consequence is the opposite of what the other option would have been in each specific case, if that makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Pellegrino View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrus Tenebros View Post
    I'm probably late on this and it's already been discussed but...

    Why decide to break up a country on a bare majority vote anyways?? This strikes me as the sort of thing that should require 2/3rds majority or something...
    No, it's not a case of having a starting point and deciding wheter we pick A or B. That can require a 2/3rds majority, it's fine, because we can fall back on the status quo. This is a case where the starting point is A and the alternative is B. The only way to not be biased here is to give the same weight to both options. That principle has been upheld by courts before. The only way to be fair is 50/50, anything else isn't. I get that one option has more *change*, but both options have the same number of consequences, each consequence is the opposite of what the other option would have been in each specific case, if that makes sense.
    For the last 307 years the countries and Scotland and England have been joined at the hip. I can see an argument for why you would need 2/3rds majority to break it. However, wikipedia says the terms for this vote were agreed on 2 years ago by both parliaments, so meh do what you want.
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    I predict it will be 50/50 and a tie breaker vote will have to be cast and it'll probably be a coin toss and we really can't predict that result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Lead Story on CNN US Edition:

    U.S. nervous about Scotland vote

    I see we finally noticed or closest and best long-term ally (other than Poland) could be broken up and shortly be a Defense non-entity in 18 months, lol.
    Ironic that a country that fought so hard for its independence from the UK would be opposed to Scotland getting it peacefully.

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    Voted No, hopefully the majority of my countrymen do the same.

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    I predict 52% yes / 48% no
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    Well my aunt and uncle (who are on holiday and postal voted) just revealed they voted yes on FB. They were no voters initially, but my aunt works for the NHS and both have been quite pissed off about what the Tories are doing to it so didn't surprise me too much. I wonder what my granny will think, she is a firm no voter and when I saw her last month she seemed angry that they were even holding a referendum.

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    When do we find out the result of the vote?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crystalline Entity View Post
    I predict 52% yes / 48% no
    No i'm pretty sure there isn't any more humanity to be had. Do you get 48?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    When do we find out the result of the vote?
    Friday Morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    When do we find out the result of the vote?
    They'll have the result by 7am tomorrow, allegedly.

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