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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilalaunebör View Post
    From what i understood, the damage rework will try to adress some of that. Not sure how tho.

    Ive been doing some Hieracon to stock up on Axi relics... was basically able to solo extractors to 3k and beyond with Octavia. The power creep is real, but i hope they never nerf her, its just too much fun to watch.
    Yea. That part doesn't realy make sense to me. It sounds like they're going to nerf stuff to make the existing content more difficult instead of expanding on the level scaling etc.

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    I'm not really fussed what they do as long as it results in more weapons being "viable" at higher levels.
    The proposed changes before they got delayed did the opposite, so hopefully they got dropped in the bin over christmas.

    I'm guessing what they need to do is a combination of buffing not-slash, nerfing slash and making armour scale in a sensible way.
    I'm sure the next iteration won't get there, but hopefully it'll be a step in the right direction.

    In other news the Vulkar Wraith feels quite good to use and can be very gold. That reload speed though; the Vectis Prime spoils us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikar View Post
    In other news the Vulkar Wraith feels quite good to use. That reload speed though; the Vectis Prime spoils us.
    It should. It's one of the best rifles in the game tbh
    I'm so sorry I sold mine. But I'm not gona bother re-buying it. I need to get my vectis prime since I have my awesome vectis riven.

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    The Viper Wraith is pretty decent as well, super short reload and slightly slower (but still fast) fire rate. With the syndicate augment its bearable, nothing op tho.

    I just realized that the likely unvaulting date is right when ill leave on a work trip... such is life.

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    I have totaly failed at farming for Mirage P so far so I wonder how that will go :P

    Both Ember and Glavie are high on my fav list so atleast it won't be a "pointless" farm this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashaz View Post
    Vehicles? Why? I wish they would re-focus on the core game again instead of just messing it up and then doing all kinds of random shit all over the place.
    There is so many different things to do now. But none of them are realy challenging and none of them realy require the cool tuff that we can push out. They need to build upwards. not sideways. (if that analogy makes sense)
    Hold your horses, it doesn't actually look that bad and uses existing assets [from what I saw at the moment anyway however] and adds something to the Plains of Eidolon. I can just imagine Warframe racing. Not to mention that it can quite literally expand Warframe on the vertical plane. Might be cool. Just hope it doesn't end up like another Archwing.

    Im not certain about that analogy but i'll hazard a guess and reckon you want a deep game, not one that is wide but only a few inches deep. However we also don't want a deep game that is only a few metres either.
    Im guessing you want something similar to the two raids we have only good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
    Just hope it doesn't end up like another Archwing.

    Im not certain about that analogy but i'll hazard a guess and reckon you want a deep game, not one that is wide but only a few inches deep. However we also don't want a deep game that is only a few metres either.
    Im guessing you want something similar to the two raids we have only good?
    I still haven't leveled my archwing past lvl 18. Only got 3 mods for it and a shitty sniper weapon. That mode is so broken that even if mods do drop, you don't see them and only acidently pick them up if you are lucky in melee. A perfect example of what I mean by them building the game sideways.

    What I want is a propper endgame. Something to work for. Something where you can push boundaries. Without insane minmaxing we can build frames and weapons that take down lvl 400 enemies. Even with the retarded scaling the game currently has. But there is nowhere where that is needed in the core game. The one exception is endurance runs in survival mode. And that mode is so very broken.
    They have the foundation. They just need to balance scaling so armor doesn't suddenly jump to impossible levels, making just a few weapons viable. And to actually put something there to make it worth it other than for the enjoyment of pushing an endurance run a few minutes more.

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    In other news: the game is realy buggy today.

    Getting disconnected from host in half the missions.
    I got a 50% disscount, but the API won't verify to steam. The API won't verify my ogin to warframe.market either appearently.
    gg.

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    Just after Darvo brought the Viper, i got a riven for it :>

    Sadly, +330% dmg still doesnt make it great, just acceptable (and the ammo pool really breaks it). Three slots on riven, ammo conversion and augment doesnt leave much room to play. Maybe ill give it some more rolls, could be good with a high crit roll and elementals.

    In a bit of a slump atm, kinda just hanging out doing sortie and waiting for the unvaulting / next content patch. I could work on finishing building a full set of healing arcanes, but the mining required really puts me off.

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    The Viper is a stapler, you have only yourself to blame if you try and use it as a weapon. Even if you dual wield staplers.

    Today's sortie was a bit of an effort. Ended up having to do the second mission three times, because for some reason the first two "successes" didn't count - oddly those were PoE ones, then the third one (which did count) was a normal earth mission. Then the third was a Sargas Ruk assassinate and his vent-opening telegraph wasn't reliably syncing up with the actual vulnerability. We got him in the end but christ, 20m plinking away in hope that he might be vulnerable.

    +3d resource booster for my troubles. Woo!

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    Double Affinity weekend is on
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    Pastry.. That the best you can do?
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    M8, i have discussions that spam multiple accounts, you aren't even on my level

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatFreddy View Post
    Double Affinity weekend is on
    Yep and it stacks with an Affinity Booster, giving 4x Affinity. Go go gadget Forma!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Procellus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FatFreddy View Post
    Double Affinity weekend is on
    Yep and it stacks with an Affinity Booster, giving 4x Affinity. Go go gadget Forma!
    Remember to get your archwing stuff leveled

    Edit: run the neptune mission (not sure if neptune, it's the mobile defense one.)
    Tanks: theBlind[URBAD] (in my heart there will always be a place for [FAIL])
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    Ton of changes to some Warframe's, looks pretty good so far - https://forums.warframe.com/topic/91...omment-9444873

    Hail Tenno!

    With big plans for 2018, it seemed like an appropriate time to revisit a core element of Warframe - the Warframes themselves! We spent most of January reading your feedback and analyzing gameplay stats, and as February kicks off we have some plans to share!

    Each Warframe's stats and ability kits combine into a unique entity that offers different strengths and weaknesses. With 34 Warframes to choose from (and the 35th on the way), a Tenno may find there is no challenge they cannot overcome by making good use of the swiss army knife that their Arsenal offers. Some well-rounded frames do multiple things well, while others greatly excel in specific circumstances.

    When reviewing the Arsenal over time, our developers often find themselves asking: 'is this fun?'. That's the most important question to us, from the perspective of both the active player and their three squadmates. We understand the importance of power fantasy, but overbearing abilities can make squadmates feel ineffective by seriously disrupting intended gameplay flow. Conversely, when a Warframe doesn't do enough, players may simply choose a "better" frame, sacrificing personalization and diversity for efficiency. Neither of these situations are ideal, so let's shake things up!

    Everything you're about to read is subject to change. In response to statistics and player feedback, we are planning the following adjustments to Warframe abilities and Augments (appearing in alphabetical order!):

    ASH

    Bladestorm - Upon activating Bladestorm, Ash's clones will do the stabbing, leaving the player free to act. Ash can choose to join in the execution by using Teleport on a marked enemy.

    As one of three "stealth" frames that offer invisibility, Ash serves as a more offensive alternative to Ivara and Loki. In practice, his Bladestorm ultimate falls short of those expectations - although the ability is sufficiently lethal, players would be locked into cutscenes as Ash and his clones finished the job on marked targets.



    With the above changes, the Ash player can continue moving and shooting after activating Bladestorm, while his clones do the dirty work! Plus, as an added feature, if a player wants to take advantage of the invincibility offered by the cutscenes (or just thinks they look cool), they can use Teleport on a marked target after activating Bladestorm to join in on the stabbing fun.

    ATLAS

    Rubble (new mechanic) - Comes from killing petrified enemies. Atlas collects rubble to restore his health, or temporarily increase armor if already at max health.

    Landslide - Does bonus damage on petrified enemies. Killing petrified enemies with Landslide generates bonus rubble. We have also increased the contact radius at max rank from 1.5m to 2m.

    Petrify - Can use Petrify on Tectonics' bulwarks to increase rolling velocity and damage. Can also be cast on Rumblers to heal them. Able to cast any ability while Petrify is active - use Landslide to move between enemies or erect rumblers and bulwarks, without Petrify ever turning off! Petrifying speed is also more effective at longer ranges now.

    Rumblers - While casting, creates an AoE around Atlas that will petrify any enemy that comes close. Rumblers create rubble when they expire, based on how much health they had.

    Released in late 2015, Atlas fills the role of a beefy brawler Warframe. While his first ability Landslide really packs a punch, the rest of his kit falls short in comparison to other frames. We saw this reflected in Atlas' usage stats, where he was the generally the least-used frame that didn't have a Prime variant.





    Similar to other recent reworks, we aim to give Atlas more synergy between the abilities at his disposal. Petrify is now a versatile ability that does not limit the casting of other abilities, and can be used to buff bulwarks and heal Rumblers. Introducing the Rubble mechanic improves Atlas' survivability, while rewarding players for taking advantage of the frame's synergies. The instant AoE Petrify upon casting his Rumblers ultimate also helps protect players during the cast animation.

    BANSHEE

    Resonating Quake (augment) - Upon cast, places a Quake that does not require channeling to maintain, meaning Banshee can move freely. Has a short duration, and does not move with the player. Has double the range of a regular Soundquake, but does more damage near the center.

    Banshee's abilities fill both offense and support roles, offering damage boosting, crowd control, and area of effect capabilities. But for many, her gameplay has become centralized around an augment for her ultimate, Resonating Quake. Since sound waves can hit through walls, the humongous area of effect can prevent enemies from getting anywhere near the objective, while the casting player is left with nothing to do but wait. From our own public play experiences, Resonating Quake is what we as creators of Warframe find to be the most unfun ability- "I want to enjoy this horde shooter, but where are the hordes?"

    Instead of creating a less effective version of the same augment, Resonating Quake will now offer an alternative playstyle, providing a stationary Quake that does not restrict player movement. The augment will still lock down a very wide area, but with a short duration and less damage on the outskirts of the Quake, it should be less effective at killing enemies your squadmates cannot yet see. Effective usage will now require frequent casting and strategic placement, encouraging a more active playstyle.

    CHROMA

    Spectral Scream - Removed walk speed and jump restrictions You can now freely move while this is active! Damage output is now also affected by the Vex Armor's Fury bonus!



    Vex Armor - Fixed a longstanding issue with number calculation being multiplicative. Boosts now apply before upgrades instead of after, making the ability consistent with all other damage boosting abilities. Overshields are now considered for Vex Armor. Chroma's Vex Armor remains one of the top performing damage-multipliers in the game - and it's now an aura! Instead of just being focused on Chroma, it can now benefit allies in range.

    The only change that comes with a full history lesson!

    https://forums.warframe.com/topic/78...m-hotfix-2023/

    Fixed an issue where Chroma would deal no damage with Vex Armor active. While this may sound like a simple fix, if you're a Chroma user please read on!\ Solving Vex Armor actually takes as back to Chroma's beginning. On original power creation, we used some less-than-ideal calculation methods to create Scorn and Fury's effects. If you are an avid Chroma user, you probably know the power maximizing this ability brings. At some point in Chroma's future we will need to revisit and use ideal methods for his Abilities; we will inform you well in advance when Chroma is under review."

    Chroma is a complex frame that players usually acquire further on in their Tenno journey. As referenced above, much of that complexity stems from some questionable back-end calculations, which caused Vex Armor to calculate damage boosts AFTER upgrades instead of before. Although the UI may indicate that damage/armor is buffed by a few hundred percent, the actual buff amounts would be much higher. Furthermore, compound elements would effectively be multiplied twice for Fury's damage boosting, leading to some ludicrous results.

    Back in April 2017, extreme damage boosting was not really a problem, so we left the ability as is. However, the Plains of Eidolon update marked a shift in community mindset by introducing Teralysts - featuring multiple large health pools on each weakpoint, damage boosting abilities became an important part of efficient hunting teams. While other damage boosting options require more team coordination, a single self-damaging Chroma could bypass the weakpoint damaging portion of the fight in an instant. At its simplest, we do not want our Eidolons one-shotted.

    Chroma's usage was already somewhat narrow, so we want him to remain a competitive option for Teralyst damage boosting, while also improving other parts of his kit. Although the magnitude of his boost will be lowered, it will still be one of the strongest boosting abilities in the game, and both damage/armor increases will now apply to all teammates in a nearby radius. Furthermore, Spectral Scream without movement restrictions allows players to be the aimgliding, fire-breathing dragon they've always dreamed of! We will continue to observe how these changes affect Chroma (and the Teralyst hunting squads) in the coming weeks, and consider further tweaks if needed.


    EMBER

    World On Fire - 5 seconds after casting, a percentage will begin counting up on the ability icon. As this percentage scales from 0% to 100% over 10 seconds, the ability's energy cost and damage dealt both grow to double, while the ability radius shrinks to half.

    Ember is the original damage caster frame, offering low survivability in exchange for high offense. Her ultimate, World on Fire, is unmatched in terms of widespread lethality - while many Warframes specialize in certain mission types, Ember's specialty is "anything under level 30". By simply bullet jumping through levels with World on Fire active, enemies become a non-factor, making Ember a ubiquitous pick across most of the Star Chart. Like a mobile Resonating Quake, this monopoly on kills can leave squadmates struggling to keep up, in an attempt to see the enemy before they melt. These changes increase lethality at higher levels, while addressing the ability's huge range.

    World on Fire will continue working similarly to how it does now, but with changing effects over time. The gradually increasing energy cost should encourage most players to toggle the ability when needed, instead of the current "set and forget" approach. Players who can afford to run the ability at max charge may need to get more up close and personal, but the increased damage should help Ember out against higher level enemies. World on Fire is still very capable of clearing rooms and sweeping hallways, but should now be applied more deliberately!

    GARA

    Mass Vitrify - Wall health scales based on health and shields of the enemies it glasses over.

    *Our latest Warframe Gara is a versatile frame on the cutting glass edge, with a tool for most situations. After recent changes to her Mass Vitrify, the ability is serviceable against most of the star chart, but doesn't hold up well to higher level content.

    While this is tough to showcase in a gif, in practice the wall has gotten stronger because it has covered many enemies in this cast!*



    To help the ability scale better, the health of Mass Vitrify's wall will increase based on the health and shields of the enemies who are "glassed" by the ability's cast. This added incentive for letting enemies get close to the objective should add an interesting risk/reward element to Gara's gameplay.

    MAG

    Polarize - Shards created by Polarize now scale based on power strength, as well as the percentage of damage done to that specific enemy.

    Crush - Each stage of crush emits a shield heal from Mag. Restores shields to nearby allies per damage instance, based on the number of enemies affected.

    Mag has seen many changes over Warframe's history - her major rework in 2016 reinforced her role as a fragile crowd control caster, widening her usability across all factions. Although she performs well in the right hands, some of the synergies introduced in that rework did not have quite the impact we wanted. Plus as a starter frame, we want new players to feel like choosing Mag is a more viable option.

    Increasing the damage of shards created by Polarize should give Mag more kill power. Additional shield restore on Crush also offers a way to passively support your team while clearing crowded rooms!

    VOLT

    Discharge - Removed the damage cap. Increased base damage output from 750 to 1200. Damage and stun duration are halved for enemies further away from Volt (affected by Mods).

    Removing Discharge's damage cap has been a common request since Volt's rework in early 2016. We tried testing this version of the ability internally, and decided it was too much - stunning all enemies for 20+ seconds, through walls and inside spawn closets, had a seriously disruptive effect on gameplay. However, we understand why this is a common request, and have done our best to make it work.



    Lightning strikes most fierce at the center. To accompany the damage cap removal, Discharge is now less effective at medium to long range, doing less damage and stunning for less time. The damage reduction is mostly offset by an increased base damage on the ability, but the reduced stun at long range should keep mission flow in check.

    ZEPHYR

    Some of Zephyr's abilities are cheaper to cast while airborne - details in progress.

    Tail Wind - Combined into a single ability with Dive Bomb. Can be charge cast on the ground, launching Zephyr into the air where she then hovers. In the air, Tail Wind still flies in whatever direction you're looking, and Dive Bomb activates if cast while looking straight down.

    Air Burst - New ability replacing Dive Bomb. A projectile that causes an AoE burst on contact, ragdolling enemies. Can be fired into Tornadoes to make them bigger.

    Tornado - Now spawn where player is aiming and can be steered. The closest tornado will move to your aimpoint, meaning you can move them around. Tornado damage type now determined by largest amount of elemental damage absorbed, instead of last type absorbed. Tornadoes do a better job of keeping enemies captured, and shooting Tornadoes will do damage to enemies trapped inside.

    Zephyr, the warrior of the skies, has seen little change since being introduced in early 2014. Four years later, her ability kit is showing its age - Parkour 2.0 improved mobility across all Warframes, making her reduced gravity and Tail Wind less useful by comparison. Turbulence is consistently useful, but all other abilities leave something to be desired.

    To give Zephyr new wind beneath her wings, her Tail Wind and Dive Bomb will now be the same ability, cast depending on which direction the player is looking. This makes room for her new ability Air Burst, which gives Zephyr new ways to rain death from the skies. We do not have a gif ready for this yet. Combined with Tornado tweaks intended to make the ability more consistent and useful, Zephyr's more well-rounded kit should help reassert her air superiority.

    We believe these changes make our wide Warframe roster more diverse and fun to play. We will be listening to your responses, so please keep feedback respectful and constructive. While not final, these changes will likely go out in a state very close to what is listed above. Once players have had a chance to try the changes themselves, we will consider further actions.\ Thanks Tenno!
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    Hmmm

    Ash bladestorm change - meh

    Atlas punch radius and less petrify restrictions - good to OP. A punchy Atlas already does retarded damage with a melee combo build.

    Banshee resonating quake - huge nerf, but good. Plopping down an energy pizza and then clearing the map while being locked in place really was shit gameplay.

    Chroma changes - OMG yes please. He still needs to scale better with ability range, but Vex Armour affecting allies is so retardedly OP that nothing else matters.

    Ember WoF - lol i can only imagine the tears. Its sorely needed tho, since its one of the most boring playstyles tied with Quake Banshee. My only worry tho is the cast speed animation, which kinda wrecks Firequake being useful as a passive CC in tight spots.

    Gara - dont care. As long as Splinterstorm stacks to infinity, its the most gamebreaking frame around.

    Mag - errr, whats this, a buff? I dont quite remember the old Polarize scaling.

    Volt - sounds like a good compromise.

    Zephyr - eh, could be fun. The important part is "shooting Tornadoes will do damage to enemies trapped inside" imo, since old tornado could lock down enemies somewhere where you were unable to actually kill them, making for situations where id rather have no Zephyr on my team. Curious to try out the hover mechanic.

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    Looks liek they're looking again at Ember, the shitness of her 1-3 having been pointed out.
    WoF needs a change; it's OP at lower levels and rubbish at higher levels, but the fact her 1 and 3 are crap and 2 is mechanically useful (essentially a damage buff) if you build for it but boring isn't great.

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    ffs. Embers one usefull power, that is only realy usefull if you get the flamequake augment for it.

    yea... no... that change is going to ruin her for endurance runs in the same way that valkyr was ruined for the same. If the power can not be balanced to become a perma running one, then it doesn't work for endless survivals any more.


    Her ultimate, World on Fire, is unmatched in terms of widespread lethality - while many Warframes specialize in certain mission types, Ember's specialty is "anything under level 30".
    Way to not fucking know your own game. -_-
    Ember's true power is CC. the damage doesn't even matter. Who cares about how fast sub lvl 30 missions can be wiped by a leveled up and pimped frame?

    Slowly one at a time, they remove all the abilities and tactics that makes long endurance runs doable solo.
    What's next on the choppingblock? Equinox? Nyx's augment? Butcher mag all over again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashaz View Post
    ffs. Embers one usefull power, that is only realy usefull if you get the flamequake augment for it.

    yea... no... that change is going to ruin her for endurance runs in the same way that valkyr was ruined for the same. If the power can not be balanced to become a perma running one, then it doesn't work for endless survivals any more.


    Her ultimate, World on Fire, is unmatched in terms of widespread lethality - while many Warframes specialize in certain mission types, Ember's specialty is "anything under level 30".
    Way to not fucking know your own game. -_-
    Ember's true power is CC. the damage doesn't even matter. Who cares about how fast sub lvl 30 missions can be wiped by a leveled up and pimped frame?

    Slowly one at a time, they remove all the abilities and tactics that makes long endurance runs doable solo.
    What's next on the choppingblock? Equinox? Nyx's augment? Butcher mag all over again?
    It’s almost like endless survival isn’t supposed to be soloable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    It’s almost like endless survival isn’t supposed to be soloable.
    Octavia says hi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Procellus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    It’s almost like endless survival isn’t supposed to be soloable.
    Octavia says hi
    Heh, truth.

    Theres cheesier things than Octavia, but having perma stealth, plus almost perma CC, plus level scaling 30m + continuous aoe... its like she was built to break the game. I need to actively restrain myself from not picking her for anything and everything.

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