Drake

[Helen]

[Drake, PvE]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Shield Recharger II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5

500dps with 680+ dps tanked against Guristas/Serpentis.

Great lazy boat for whoring standings in Level 4 missions etc.

With skills and CN shield hards can drop a SPR for another BCS to up damage, faction required due to CPU cost.

[teds]

for anoms/belts (gurista space) this works nicely;


[Drake, PVE]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Hornet II x5

552dps, 484 passive recharge (v Guristas, you'll just have to trust me its enough). Can happily do Havens and even Station-Sanctums with some attention. Cheap too so when you inevitably get awoxed by a demon hunter it won't sting.

[sassy b]

This can just about handle l5s with neut towers solo, but they take ages because the damage is terrible. The ones I tried took a couple of hours each for about 50k lp and 50m isk in bounty per mission. Isk/hr would be far better with a dps partner, obviously.

[Drake, L5 capless tank]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I

Warrior II x5

[Helen]

Take it that's not setup to tank entire aggro just selective groups of npcs at a time.
I'm surprised no one probed ya down in that setup given time to run it.

[sassy b]

Take it that's not setup to tank entire aggro just selective groups of npcs at a time.
I'm surprised no one probed ya down in that setup given time to run it.

The l5s I tried didnt give much opportunity for selective aggro. Was aggroing whole rooms but relying on propmodless speed tanking. Web towers + frigates had to die fast.

[Helen]

I bet, heard of people running them solo in vagabonds with cloak before but I'd probably end up blitzing with overkill.

[Serwenta]

[Drake, PvE]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Shield Recharger II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5

500dps with 680+ dps tanked against Guristas/Serpentis.

Great lazy boat for whoring standings in Level 4 missions etc.

With skills and CN shield hards can drop a SPR for another BCS to up damage, faction required due to CPU cost.

This is the setup I use and it 100% wins at easy mission running, all I'd say is use T2 SPRs and use CN BCSs too boost dps without loss of tank

[Butternut]

[Drake, lvl 4 passive]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5


This is what I have been using to run lvl 4's after I found that it's better DPS then my domi.

[Kithran]

What would people suggest as a drake fit for Incursion vanguard sites?

For those not familiar the incursion rats deal omni damage and you will be flying with basilisk or scimitar support.
There are three types of sites and opponents are:

Nation Commander Outpost - all frigates
Nation Mining Complex - total of 4 cruisers, 20 odd frigates
Override Transfer Array - 3 BS, 6 cruisers, 9 frigs (that have to be killed, other rats just keep respawning so tend to be ignored if you know what you are doing).

I don't fly drakes but are looking for a good fit rather than all the fail fits I keep seeing trying to x up (know enough to tell people to not use SPR's and purgers, after advice on what I should be telling people to take ok fits to great for a drake (if people can fly a tengu they are already x ing up with those, so telling people to get a tengu isn't much use in the short term).

[Helen]

I imagine if you are being remote repped you'll want BCS/PDS in lows with the usual med slots.
It's pretty cookie cutter.

[Shadow703793]

[Drake, Low End WH Runner]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Shield Recharger II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Hornet EC-300 x5


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This is my standard fit for solo running low end WHs.

ECM drones are there in case you need to GTFO. Not using Goblins as they get eaten by Sleepers. With the increase in sig when using T2 Fury I found that I was taking more damage than I liked. With good skills and Scourge and the 3x BCS you do enough DPS against Sleepers in the low end WHs. You need a +3% CPU implant (KMB-50; ~20mil) to fit the probe launcher (you can fit it and keep it offline with out implant; still need the implant if you don't have good fitting skills, mainly Weapon Upgrades). You really do want to have a probe launcher just in case the exit collapses. You need an alt/friend to salvage as most of the money in WH is in the sleeper salvage.

[Sparkus Volundar]

What would people suggest as a drake fit for Incursion vanguard sites?

Hi Kithran,

Been a while since I was in a Vanguard site so I'll post 2 fits that will be good with RR and either have an AB or no AB (I can't remeber if the rats will move out of HML range or not basically). PDSs can sub in for BCSs if you think extra EHP is needed.

[Drake, slow with 78k shield EHP]
F84 Local Damage System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5

[Drake, a bit less slow with 69k shield EHP]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Target Painter II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5

Sparks

[Lief Siddhe]

EXTREMLY LAZYTIEM DRAEK FOR NOOBZ (read: me)

3X BCU
1X SPR

3X INVUL FIELD II
3X LARGE SHIELD EXTENDER II

7x ARBALEST HEAVY MISSILE LAUNCHER
1x SCAN PROBE LAUNCHER (or something)

3X FIELD PURGE shieldregen rigs

5X Hobgoblin II

This is probably the best and worst ship I ever learned to fly in EVE. Best cause it allowed me to go through lvl 4 missions in a battlecruiser early on, worst because it only teaches you to turn on invul fields, align to some planet, target shit and press F1 and voila - 30 minutes later you're done with the mission. Only occasionally do you have tanking issues with close-range Angel battleships or goddamn Sansha/Amarr capstealers, but that's about it, they usually die on approach anyway. Literally eats frigs and cruisers in missions, unlike battleships which can have problems with large weapons. Combination of Scourge(kinetic) and hobgoblins (thermal) gets you through 90% of missions, basically.

Downside is it is SLOW (no propulsion mod, I think if you switch the SPR for a PDU you can exchange a shield mod for an afterburner, dunno exactly, ain't home now).

It's also causing me mega problems cause I want to get myself a better ship for lvl 4's (ie. a battleship) but any ship with any fit I come up with /read about can't touch the Drake's tank/dps/range/ease of use combo unless I buy some faction ship with faction shit, and I don't wanna spend a billion on a missiontoy.

[Dwergi]

Dominix with dual T2 LAR's.

I've tried using the Drake for PvE, and while it tanks like a Beast, its DPS output is so anemic that it just makes me sick. If you can fly a Drake, you can more or less fly a Tengu, so do yourself a favour and spend 500mil getting one. It's literally twice as good in almost every way (don't trust EFT tank numbers, sig tanking with a Tengu is amazing).

[Helen]

Dominix with dual T2 LAR's.

I've tried using the Drake for PvE, and while it tanks like a Beast, its DPS output is so anemic that it just makes me sick. If you can fly a Drake, you can more or less fly a Tengu, so do yourself a favour and spend 500mil getting one. It's literally twice as good in almost every way (don't trust EFT tank numbers, sig tanking with a Tengu is amazing).

You know whats even better at killing npcs? A fucking titan lets not divert this thread please.

[Skidrowpunk]

[Drake, Low End WH Runner]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Shield Recharger II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Hornet EC-300 x5


----------------------------

This is my standard fit for solo running low end WHs.

ECM drones are there in case you need to GTFO. Not using Goblins as they get eaten by Sleepers. With the increase in sig when using T2 Fury I found that I was taking more damage than I liked. With good skills and Scourge and the 3x BCS you do enough DPS against Sleepers in the low end WHs. You need a +3% CPU implant (KMB-50; ~20mil) to fit the probe launcher (you can fit it and keep it offline with out implant; still need the implant if you don't have good fitting skills, mainly Weapon Upgrades). You really do want to have a probe launcher just in case the exit collapses. You need an alt/friend to salvage as most of the money in WH is in the sleeper salvage.

Pretty much what i was going to use for low-ends. I'm thinking this should be ok for C1/C2 sites:


[Drake, C1/C2 WH Drake]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Recharger II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Salvager I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Hornet EC-300 x5

[Kithran]

What would people suggest as a drake fit for Incursion vanguard sites?

Hi Kithran,

Been a while since I was in a Vanguard site so I'll post 2 fits that will be good with RR and either have an AB or no AB (I can't remeber if the rats will move out of HML range or not basically). PDSs can sub in for BCSs if you think extra EHP is needed.

[snipped fits]

Sparks

Vanguard sites you face rats out to maybe 60km but they come in except for a single rat in one site that actually wants to be killed (there are rats that keep that distance in another site but you don't need to kill them).

The problem with both of the fits you've posted (and the generic cookie cutter fits) is they are all over-tanked and under-ganked in my view.

Comparing your second, lesser tanked fit in EFT to the hurricane fit I normally fly with all level V character selected you get 89k EHP and 361 dps (excluding drones) for the drake and 38k EHP and 564 dps (excluding drones) for the cane.

Obviously given the drake's single inherent dps boost compared to the cane's two you'd expect some difference but that is too much. I don't have the skills to fly a drake myself so can't really do much myself - I just don't have the experience at using missiles to know what works and what doesn't, I came up with this in EFT but have no idea on how it would actually work in practice:

Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Cal Navy Photon Scattering Field
Cal Navy Heat Dissipation Field
Invulnerability Field II
PWNAGE
PWNAGE

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

[Pacefalm]

You can upgrade one named TP to T2, both if you downgrade the DC to best named. I'm just wondering if your tank can hold vs. the harder content, as your regen isn't that great. You can put a SPR instead of the DC and have a better regeneration (even taking resistance loss into account).

[Kithran]

You can upgrade one named TP to T2, both if you downgrade the DC to best named. I'm just wondering if your tank can hold vs. the harder content, as your regen isn't that great. You can put a SPR instead of the DC and have a better regeneration (even taking resistance loss into account).

If this was in response to my post for an incursion drake you don't want regen - you have logi's to rep you thus you want resistances not regen. As I said I normally fly a cane with a total of 38k ehp according to eft and have no problems (or a scimi with about a third that). The reason I'm posting in this thread is I'm trying to come up with a fit I can recommend to the hordes of drake pilots that seem to infest a lot of incursions with cookie cutter mission fits. The thing is with incursions if there are two fleets that enter the same site its whichever fleet deals the most total damage to the rats that gets all the rewards, the other fleet gets nothing. If you have a drake that is tanked to hell and back you won't be in danger of dying but you could well be in danger of causing your fleet to get nothing - especially if there are multiple such drakes in your fleet.

Kithran

[Pacefalm]

Ah didnt see it was a fit for incursions my bad.
Still can upgrade a TP though