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    Cyclone will have lolbad DPS and shit tank thanks to the ASB nerf.
    HAMs got a buff and use a proper tank mod?

    also 100m3 is a sexy number =]
    also also 6 lows on a brutix as well as a PG increase could be very interesting.
    Compare the Drake's DPS with 7 single bonused launchers to the Cyclone's 5 single bonused launchers and get back to me.

    Sure it has 50m3 drones, but that's less than 200 dps with Hammer IIs and unbonused autocannons are sooooo bad
    Do you know what, no i'm not going to go do that useless comparison and then get back to you. Stop being bad and comparing apples to oranges.
    Yeah shield tanked missile ships with tanking bonuses are in totally different arenas
    Surely you are being deliberately obtuse now. I was referring to you comparing different proportions of a ships offensive output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    The PG increase on the Brutix is pretty much unnoticeable
    Doesn't need it anyways.
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    100 mn ab Brutix!!!



    just kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAfroMan View Post
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    Cyclone will have lolbad DPS and shit tank thanks to the ASB nerf.
    HAMs got a buff and use a proper tank mod?

    also 100m3 is a sexy number =]
    also also 6 lows on a brutix as well as a PG increase could be very interesting.
    Compare the Drake's DPS with 7 single bonused launchers to the Cyclone's 5 single bonused launchers and get back to me.

    Sure it has 50m3 drones, but that's less than 200 dps with Hammer IIs and unbonused autocannons are sooooo bad
    It's an RoF bonus which is worth more than a flat damage bonus (compares to 7.5%/level flat damage bonus IIRC). Added to a 50m3 drone bay and a decent tank and I don't see what you're sperging about.

    I mean who cares we need someone to make EFT changes so we can all post fits that prove our respective points, call each other idiots and then go back to never logging in.
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    Re: [devpost] Combat Battlecruisers

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    I mean who cares we need someone to make EFT changes so we can all post fits that prove our respective points, call each other idiots and then go back to never logging in.
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    [devpost] Combat Battlecruisers

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    Cyclone will have lolbad DPS and shit tank thanks to the ASB nerf.
    HAMs got a buff and use a proper tank mod?

    also 100m3 is a sexy number =]
    also also 6 lows on a brutix as well as a PG increase could be very interesting.
    Compare the Drake's DPS with 7 single bonused launchers to the Cyclone's 5 single bonused launchers and get back to me.

    Sure it has 50m3 drones, but that's less than 200 dps with Hammer IIs and unbonused autocannons are sooooo bad
    It's an RoF bonus which is worth more than a flat damage bonus (compares to 7.5%/level flat damage bonus IIRC). Added to a 50m3 drone bay and a decent tank and I don't see what you're sperging about.

    I mean who cares we need someone to make EFT changes so we can all post fits that prove our respective points, call each other idiots and then go back to never logging in.
    Point is it has 40% fewer launchers (its main source of DPS) than its primary competitor (the Drake) and its 25 extra cubes and two unbonused turrets won't make up for that, especially when you consider damage mods.

    The Drake also has 500 more raw shield HP (5250 vs 4750), an additional mid slot and a better tanking bonus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAfroMan View Post
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    Cyclone will have lolbad DPS and shit tank thanks to the ASB nerf.
    HAMs got a buff and use a proper tank mod?

    also 100m3 is a sexy number =]
    also also 6 lows on a brutix as well as a PG increase could be very interesting.
    Compare the Drake's DPS with 7 single bonused launchers to the Cyclone's 5 single bonused launchers and get back to me.

    Sure it has 50m3 drones, but that's less than 200 dps with Hammer IIs and unbonused autocannons are sooooo bad
    It's an RoF bonus which is worth more than a flat damage bonus (compares to 7.5%/level flat damage bonus IIRC). Added to a 50m3 drone bay and a decent tank and I don't see what you're sperging about.

    I mean who cares we need someone to make EFT changes so we can all post fits that prove our respective points, call each other idiots and then go back to never logging in.
    Point is it has 40% fewer launchers (its main source of DPS) than its primary competitor (the Drake) and its 25 extra cubes and two unbonused turrets won't make up for that, especially when you consider damage mods.

    The Drake also has 500 more raw shield HP (5250 vs 4750), an additional mid slot and a better tanking bonus.
    The drake has effectively 1.8something more unbonused launchers, i think 25m3 of extra drone space and two unbonused turrets would make up for that even after considering damage mods.

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    [devpost] Combat Battlecruisers

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    Cyclone will have lolbad DPS and shit tank thanks to the ASB nerf.
    HAMs got a buff and use a proper tank mod?

    also 100m3 is a sexy number =]
    also also 6 lows on a brutix as well as a PG increase could be very interesting.
    Compare the Drake's DPS with 7 single bonused launchers to the Cyclone's 5 single bonused launchers and get back to me.

    Sure it has 50m3 drones, but that's less than 200 dps with Hammer IIs and unbonused autocannons are sooooo bad
    It's an RoF bonus which is worth more than a flat damage bonus (compares to 7.5%/level flat damage bonus IIRC). Added to a 50m3 drone bay and a decent tank and I don't see what you're sperging about.

    I mean who cares we need someone to make EFT changes so we can all post fits that prove our respective points, call each other idiots and then go back to never logging in.
    Point is it has 40% fewer launchers (its main source of DPS) than its primary competitor (the Drake) and its 25 extra cubes and two unbonused turrets won't make up for that, especially when you consider damage mods.

    The Drake also has 500 more raw shield HP (5250 vs 4750), an additional mid slot and a better tanking bonus.
    The drake has effectively 1.8something more unbonused launchers, i think 25m3 of extra drone space and two unbonused turrets would make up for that even after considering damage mods.
    Then you're being willfully ignorant
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    Or neuts

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    The PG boost to the brutix is actually extremely noticeable on second take.

    A standard neutron-passive-shield brutix gets (effectively) TWO extra lowslots.

    [Brutix, GankBrutix]
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
    Damage Control II

    Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
    Large Shield Extender II
    Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
    Warp Scrambler II

    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
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    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

    Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


    Valkyrie II x5


    Fits like a charm. That's a fairly substantial increase to applied dps across a variety of ranges.


    edit: Current brutix uses a PDS in the last low (technically you can fool around with it and get the TE in the last low already. Implants or an FS-9 Extender)
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    [devpost] Combat Battlecruisers

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    Or neuts
    You think it will have the PG to fit HAMs+Med Neuts+MWD+XLASB/Med Injector+XLSB? I think not. Its actually LOSING 10pg
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    Cyclone is more effective at having things shoot at it that it can actually kill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAfroMan View Post
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    Cyclone will have lolbad DPS and shit tank thanks to the ASB nerf.
    HAMs got a buff and use a proper tank mod?

    also 100m3 is a sexy number =]
    also also 6 lows on a brutix as well as a PG increase could be very interesting.
    Compare the Drake's DPS with 7 single bonused launchers to the Cyclone's 5 single bonused launchers and get back to me.

    Sure it has 50m3 drones, but that's less than 200 dps with Hammer IIs and unbonused autocannons are sooooo bad
    It's an RoF bonus which is worth more than a flat damage bonus (compares to 7.5%/level flat damage bonus IIRC). Added to a 50m3 drone bay and a decent tank and I don't see what you're sperging about.

    I mean who cares we need someone to make EFT changes so we can all post fits that prove our respective points, call each other idiots and then go back to never logging in.
    Point is it has 40% fewer launchers (its main source of DPS) than its primary competitor (the Drake) and its 25 extra cubes and two unbonused turrets won't make up for that, especially when you consider damage mods.

    The Drake also has 500 more raw shield HP (5250 vs 4750), an additional mid slot and a better tanking bonus.
    The drake has effectively 1.8something more unbonused launchers, i think 25m3 of extra drone space and two unbonused turrets would make up for that even after considering damage mods.
    Then you're being willfully ignorant
    nope

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAfroMan View Post
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    Cyclone will have lolbad DPS and shit tank thanks to the ASB nerf.
    HAMs got a buff and use a proper tank mod?

    also 100m3 is a sexy number =]
    also also 6 lows on a brutix as well as a PG increase could be very interesting.
    Compare the Drake's DPS with 7 single bonused launchers to the Cyclone's 5 single bonused launchers and get back to me.

    Sure it has 50m3 drones, but that's less than 200 dps with Hammer IIs and unbonused autocannons are sooooo bad
    Their total dps output is actually similar (Drake has slightly more), but the cyclone has utility highs, and the cyclone is way faster and more agile, and as some may have noticed that in the drake changes it's speed and agility have been nerfed into the ground. It also lost some fitting which means it can't actually fit a full rack of hams/hmls with full tackle, t2 tank and t2 bcus anymore, you have to start dropping things to meta for it to fit.
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    Re: [devpost] Combat Battlecruisers

    I'm going to be active tanking the shit out of that prophecy.

    Whispers of an armor rep change is stirring my loins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meridith View Post
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    I mean who cares we need someone to make EFT changes so we can all post fits that prove our respective points, call each other idiots and then go back to never logging in.
    Paging namamai
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    Meh, Ferox gets the optimal bonus and tanking bonus again. If that's the bonuses it must have at least make it a 7/6/4 config instead. That would make it a great brawler.

    Also;

    People whine about tanky brick drakes

    CCP makes it more brickish.

    CCP troll best troll.


    Oh just noticed. "7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer effectiveness "

    Yup, they're clearly doing something with armor reps. My guess would be a constant repamount/s for the entire rep cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroi Okami View Post
    in the drake changes it's speed and agility have been nerfed into the ground. It also lost some fitting which means it can't actually fit a full rack of hams/hmls with full tackle, t2 tank and t2 bcus anymore, you have to start dropping things to meta for it to fit.
    That's a bit hyperbolic.

    Current HAM drake: 82k EHP, 1038 m/s, 11.2 s mwd-active align (EHP/speed before heat)
    New HAM drake: 79k EHP, 1003 m/s, 11.9 s mwd-active align (using an IFFA in place of a DC II)

    I wouldn't describe that as being nerfed into the ground.

    The Prophecy looks pretty decent with these changes.
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    [devpost] Combat Battlecruisers

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAfroMan View Post
    Cyclone will have lolbad DPS and shit tank thanks to the ASB nerf.
    HAMs got a buff and use a proper tank mod?

    also 100m3 is a sexy number =]
    also also 6 lows on a brutix as well as a PG increase could be very interesting.
    Compare the Drake's DPS with 7 single bonused launchers to the Cyclone's 5 single bonused launchers and get back to me.

    Sure it has 50m3 drones, but that's less than 200 dps with Hammer IIs and unbonused autocannons are sooooo bad
    Their total dps output is actually similar (Drake has slightly more), but the cyclone has utility highs, and the cyclone is way faster and more agile, and as some may have noticed that in the drake changes it's speed and agility have been nerfed into the ground. It also lost some fitting which means it can't actually fit a full rack of hams/hmls with full tackle, t2 tank and t2 bcus anymore, you have to start dropping things to meta for it to fit.
    Their align time is basically the same
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    Also, why would you give the ferox and cyclone extra lows rather than mids?
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