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    Judging by his eagerness to post them over and over, several hours a day of shit content.

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    only serious business allowed? btw it's his conclusion I'm worried about, cause I share it. If the USA continues down this path, Trump might be president again is much more likely than we'd like.
    I was somewhere around Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    only serious business allowed? btw it's his conclusion I'm worried about, cause I share it. If the USA continues down this path, Trump might be president again is much more likely than we'd like.
    Psure that's been the general idea for most of us paying attention by now for a while.

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    So from now we only post when we actually do something meaningful to fight economic, social and racial inequality in the real world? It's gonna be one tumbleweed of a forum... Anyway, I can feel when I'm not wanted by the mob, so I'll go back to lurking and watching the world fall apart then. Cheerio!
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    "And what have you done for the world?" - my neoliberal mate as he throws a cigarette butt on the sidewalk literally 5 meters away from an urn.

    Classic.

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    You are accused of anti-posting behaviour. The shitposters find you guilty and sentence you to prison planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    So from now we only post when we actually do something meaningful to fight economic, social and racial inequality in the real world? It's gonna be one tumbleweed of a forum... Anyway, I can feel when I'm not wanted by the mob, so I'll go back to lurking and watching the world fall apart then. Cheerio!
    Oh no I'm being judged for the shit I post, the posting mob is after me!

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    I mean, I could post the ACLU playlist I've been binging for most of yesterday, but I know it wouldn't get the same response
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    So from now we only post when we actually do something meaningful to fight economic, social and racial inequality in the real world? It's gonna be one tumbleweed of a forum... Anyway, I can feel when I'm not wanted by the mob, so I'll go back to lurking and watching the world fall apart then. Cheerio!
    Oh no I'm being judged for the shit I post, the posting mob is after me!
    But he's said about a million times he's done posting only to come back each time. Perhaps a Jordan Peterson hot take will show up next!

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    Actually the discovery of these 2 months of following USA related internetz was discovering Matt and Katie, the Useful Idiots of Rolling Stone. Furthermore; I said I'm done explaining myself. Not posting. Don't pop a vein yet
    I was somewhere around Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Larkonnis View Post
    I agree with the message that 'black lives matter'...

    I disagree with the BLM movement given that it's been co-opted by literal Marxists...
    Anyone can agree that 'black lives matter', having it as a slogan is just sloppy.

    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Ben Carson consorts with racists. What do you think that makes him?
    You will have to spell it out for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
    Anyone can agree that 'black lives matter',
    Almost as if no, not everyone does, and it's why this is a thing in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meester View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Larkonnis View Post
    I agree with the message that 'black lives matter'...

    I disagree with the BLM movement given that it's been co-opted by literal Marxists...
    Anyone can agree that 'black lives matter', having it as a slogan is just sloppy.

    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Ben Carson consorts with racists. What do you think that makes him?
    You will have to spell it out for me.
    Someone who supports institutional racism, and what's more, the vote suppression of black people primarily in the south of the US, where a majority of them live. This is the modern GOP.

    Here. Have an African American's perspective on people like Ben Carson. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...elusional.html
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elriche Oshego View Post

    You are accused of anti-posting behaviour. The shitposters find you guilty and sentence you to prison planet.
    With the amount of orbital debris the Chinese are creating we'll be on a prison planet soon enough...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    I can't stand Russell Brand, managed a few minutes but he's not wrong.

    Trump pardons Roger Stone... a day later he's wearing a mask and everyone's talking about that instead of the important things... That's been the case all along...
    Trump does something bad... Media reports on it... Trump does something silly... Media blows it out of proportion.
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    Talk to an educated Irish person in a global city today, and you will quickly discover that they hold the twin ideologies of post-Celtic Tiger Ireland: a vague sentimental remnant of the Irish ethno-nationalism of the revolutionary period and the internationalist and multicultural open society values of Google.

    Point out that these are contradictory in any way, like mentioning Ireland’s role as an international tax haven or asking why there are so many Irish nationalists living in London, Berlin and San Francisco and so few living in Dublin, and you will be met with defensive anger.

    As a former colony, historically unsullied by the sins of slavery and imperialism, Ireland’s national identity has been largely free of the culture of pathological self-hatred found across most of the liberal West today. An uncomplicated sense of national pride has remained the default, even and sometimes especially on the political Left. But all of that is about to change.

    “Toppling statues is just the beginning”, ran a recent Irish Times headline, if the goal is “How to make Irish culture less racist.” As self-flagellating stories about the Irish public’s racism are set to now become a daily part of life, Ireland’s elites can breathe a sigh of relief. Any populist pressure they sensed brewing while overseeing a deeply economically unequal society with skyrocketing homelessness, rents and outward youth migration can now be replaced with an imported moral narrative that turns the spotlight around on the reactionary masses who must, in the name of equality, learn to think of themselves as privileged.
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    While educated Irish young people in Dublin copied the Black Lives Matter protests from America, our culturally progressive and economically Thatcherite Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, recently singled out the statue of Irish Republican Sean Russell as a problematic target. Russell fought in the War of Independence and died trying to secure arms from Germany in 1940.

    Wrongly thinking that historical facts could ever stand a chance against the wrecking ball of the current international woke cultural revolution, some Republicans correctly pointed out that he was not doing so out of any allegiance to Nazism, having tried to secure arms from any nations that might give them. Protesters still vandalised the statue anyway, painting it with the gay pride rainbow flag with added black and brown to mark their support for Black Lives Matter.

    Having uncritically adopted the fashions of American academia, Ireland’s new young educated elite have started parroting the imported language of “white privilege” versus “people of colour”, and the dangers of nationalism versus the superior multinational capitalism-friendly values of openness.

    There is little reason to think the cultural revolution sweeping across Europe from America will stop and listen to the “but we’re on your side!” pleas offered by Irish Republicans about how they supported the anti-apartheid movement in the Eighties or how our nationalist heroes were anti-imperialists or that our Republicans today are economically left-leaning and pro-immigration.

    Anyone who thinks these details will matter, and that any remnant of Irish cultural nationhood will be immune, is simply not paying attention to the unstoppable internal logic of the current cultural revolution underway. This new generation of elite aspirants are already showing that they make no such distinction and simply recast the native Irish as “white people” whose privilege needs to be checked and ultimately dismantled.

    It is worth asking why the woke cultural revolution sweeping Irish society would spare a single one of our national statues, monuments or heroes. One could go through the entire list of signatories of the Proclamation of the Irish Republic and find cancellable and problematic thoughts uttered by each of them in different contexts. The deeply Catholic Constance Markievicz cited the “anti-Irish ideals” of “immorality and divorce” against the Anglo-Irish Treaty. Patrick Pearse explicitly wrote of blood sacrifice and the Irish race, saying that, “there can be no peace between the body politic and a foreign substance that has intruded itself into its system” which must be expelled or assimilated through war.

    Why wouldn’t our literary heroes also be wiped from the canon and from the public space? The continued dominance of Irish literature in our universities is certainly open to the accusation of being exclusionary and too white. What about George Bernard Shaw, who once wrote that “Any competent historian or psychoanalyst can bring a mass of incontrovertible evidence to prove that it would have been better for the world if the Jews had never existed”? What about W. B. Yeats, who preferred fascism to democracy? Who will be left in our compliant little colony of Silicon Valley to defend any of these figures a few years from now after the woke cultural revolution has replaced the unsuspecting old guard with the new?

    What about the special place given to the Irish language in state institutions, which it could be easily argued excludes and discriminates against foreigners? What about the explicitly ethnocentric Irish right of return policy, which grants people with Irish grandparents the right to citizenship? Irish liberal media used to love showcasing the young children of immigrants playing hurling or speaking Irish, which offered a vision of the future in which anyone could be Irish through adoption of the national culture, but what happens when those young people are filled with poison in the indoctrination camps of university and taught to fear and resent the native population as white racists?

    Connolly, the Catholic revert who fought and died alongside ethno-nationalists won’t stand a chance when they come for him next time.

    Unlike the republics that can claim to be founded on abstract and universalist principles, sooner or later there is simply no getting around the brick wall of truth that the Irish nationhood envisioned by our revolutionary founders was fundamentally ethno-nationalist. How could it have been otherwise? Historians can offer all the contextualising explanations they like but this will be the awkward truth the woke internationale will use to bury it in shame.

    Nationalists will no longer be dealing with a few scattered genteel revisionist intellectuals like Conor Cruise O’Brien, but the full tidal ideological force of the American Empire, with its sophisticated cold war psychological warfare tactics, its world dominating oligarchy and every elite institution at home and abroad on its side.

    Ireland is uniquely vulnerable to all of this as a nation without a national economic base, wholly reliant on the whim and will of aggressively ideological multinationals temporarily parked there for tax purposes. After gaining national independence, Ireland had to embark upon the difficult task of making an agrarian economy, which had been shaped and distorted by its role as a colony of the British Empire, independent and backed by an indigenous industrial base. As trade union economist Michael Taft has documented, this project failed at key historical moments and was ultimately replaced by the easier route to modernity of inviting international capital to base itself there using tax incentives.

    As a result of the low-tax policies introduced in the late Nineties, Ireland today is effectively a tax haven, hosting the European headquarters of Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter and many others. Some of these companies have been found to be paying as little as 0.005% tax. While this project gave Ireland the Celtic Tiger economy, it also produced a deeply unequal society totally subservient to the sovereignty and ultimately the values and culture of the corporations who today are its guiding force. For our obedience, we received surely the lowest of honours just last year when anti-yellow vests French intellectual Bernard-Henri Levy congratulated us for being “a people who resist the winds of populism”. It is a tragic irony of Irish history that, having fought a globe-spanning empire to build an independent Irish nation, and having fought the imperial landlords through agrarian peasant movements before that, giving the world the very word boycott, it stands today as a tax colony of American tech in which the native young leave because of its unchecked speculative landlordism.

    While its subservient relationship to the British Empire brought famine and hardship, Ireland’s subservient relationship to an American progressive tech oligarchy brought about the Celtic Tiger and as a consequence we were happy to ignore the truth of the arrangement: that we were simply passing from one form of colony to another. It will now be a second but no less bitter irony that the native Irish working class will soon find themselves in the same position as the British have — despised as reactionary by our own elites and morally and economically blackmailed into accepting their more enlightened values.

    Like all doomed traditions, our banal ethno-nationalism has been passively held by the majority while the intellectual and moral foundations that once justified it have been slowly replaced and degraded while nobody was paying attention. When a full confrontation with the liberal internationalism we invited in during the Celtic Tiger years inevitably happens, those foundations will already be gone and we will no longer be able to explain why having any right to a national culture or national sovereignty is anything other than racist and exclusionary.

    The small conflict sparked by the Sean Russell statue was a moment of escalation. Whether it was too soon to bring the wrecking ball in or not, to make the Irish too acutely aware of what is coming, remains to be seen, but the direction of the historical winds should be obvious.

    The revolutionary generation that gave us the Irish nation understood that you cannot be culturally, intellectually or economically self-directed if you’re ruled from a foreign power. These recent events have started to reveal the irreconcilable and contradictory nature of the official ideology of post-Celtic Tiger Ireland, which tried to dress our colonial relationship to international capitalism as a national triumph. The Irish will soon learn that if your economy is ruled from California, your society will start to look like California, a nowhere of the very rich and very poor, but without the sunshine.


    Great analysis from a marxist standpoint. The sooner the US and it's "leftist ideology" (its not leftist) of intersectionality slides into irrelevance the better. Europe needs to defend itself from this anti-worker poison with everything it has.

    Ironic that the EU, the quintessential neoliberal institution, is all that stands between the worker and intellectual dominance from abroad. I don't have much hope
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    Yo do realize you're constantly doing precisely what you claim to hate.

    It's quite amazing how much whining and bullshit about this shit you manage to constantly spew. Truly the central issue that plagues the world, the crux of it all, the core of why society is fucked. Not all the other million actual issues, no, this is what we should be constantly talking about and the worst crime against progress, always without fail posting links and bringing the conversation right back to it.

    Fucking hell you're playing right into the whole bullshit machine you complain so much about.
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    For the past ten years it's been nothing but deflections like this.

    "identity politics aren't real" "This stuff dosen't exist outside of university campuses" "its all overblown, you're just focusing on it too much" "I have never met an SJW in real life" and now add to that "you are doing precisely what you claim to hate" "Whining and bullshit about this shit you manage to spew"

    Yeah, well it's finally manifesting outside of the internet and campuses, after metastasizing for over a decade. And it's only gonna get worse.

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