Isn't Cosmin a medical professional?Originally Posted by Sofia Roseburn
Why not? I'm interested in what reasons you can come up with as a medical professional that would make doing so a risky option. Try and take your own ethics out of it, I dare you.Why prescribe them to children at all?
Very possibly. I'm just curious what Smuggo comes up with that hasn't already been considered and isn't just personal opinion.Isn't Cosmin a medical professional?Why not? I'm interested in what reasons you can come up with as a medical professional that would make doing so a risky option. Try and take your own ethics out of it, I dare you.Why prescribe them to children at all?
Well here's a study in the damage chest blockers can do: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...alCode=tchs20&Why not? I'm interested in what reasons you can come up with as a medical professional that would make doing so a risky option. Try and take your own ethics out of it, I dare you.Why prescribe them to children at all?
And honestly interested in why you think giving a young child hormones as they go through puberty isn't going to cause them problems. It can lead to girls voices being wrecked for good and becoming very deep, and permanent infertility is another risk. These treatments are playing with children's lives at a time when they lack the power of consent.
What's chest binding got to do with puberty blockers?Well here's a study in the damage chest blockers can do: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...alCode=tchs20&Why not? I'm interested in what reasons you can come up with as a medical professional that would make doing so a risky option. Try and take your own ethics out of it, I dare you.Why prescribe them to children at all?
And honestly interested in why you think giving a young child hormones as they go through puberty isn't going to cause them problems. It can lead to girls voices being wrecked for good and becoming very deep, and permanent infertility is another risk. These treatments are playing with children's lives at a time when they lack the power of consent.
You've yet to offer me anything categorical that isn't already considered. In fact, the article that you've linked is completely irrelevant in the scope of the prescription of hormones. Do feel free to try again.Well here's a study in the damage chest blockers can do: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...alCode=tchs20&Why not? I'm interested in what reasons you can come up with as a medical professional that would make doing so a risky option. Try and take your own ethics out of it, I dare you.Why prescribe them to children at all?
And honestly interested in why you think giving a young child hormones as they go through puberty isn't going to cause them problems. It can lead to girls voices being wrecked for good and becoming very deep, and permanent infertility is another risk. These treatments are playing with children's lives at a time when they lack the power of consent.
Very little medicine is completely risk free, nor is making decisions about gender identity for a child an easy one; indeed it's why there's a lot of safeguards in place to make sure that the decision made is the right one. Does that always result in the best outcome? No, it doesn't, but to focus on only the negative rather than the overall effect such things can have with gender dysphoria shows you can't remove your own personal bias from the equation.
Last edited by Sofia Roseburn; November 14 2017 at 11:53:09 AM.
Why do it for children at all? Let them decide as an adult instead of dosing them up without care for the consequences. At least some of them will simply grow out of it so I see absolutely no case for medical intervention until they are grown up.You've yet to offer me anything categorical that isn't already considered.Well here's a study in the damage chest blockers can do: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...alCode=tchs20&Why not? I'm interested in what reasons you can come up with as a medical professional that would make doing so a risky option. Try and take your own ethics out of it, I dare you.Why prescribe them to children at all?
And honestly interested in why you think giving a young child hormones as they go through puberty isn't going to cause them problems. It can lead to girls voices being wrecked for good and becoming very deep, and permanent infertility is another risk. These treatments are playing with children's lives at a time when they lack the power of consent.
Very little medicine is completely risk free, nor is making decisions about gender identity for a child an easy one; indeed it's why there's a lot of safeguards in place to make sure that the decision made is the right one. Does that always result in the best outcome? No, it doesn't, but to focus on only the negative rather than the overall effect such things can have with gender dysphoria shows you can't remove your own personal bias from the equation.
>it can lead to girls voices becoming very deepWell here's a study in the damage chest blockers can do: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...alCode=tchs20&Why not? I'm interested in what reasons you can come up with as a medical professional that would make doing so a risky option. Try and take your own ethics out of it, I dare you.Why prescribe them to children at all?
And honestly interested in why you think giving a young child hormones as they go through puberty isn't going to cause them problems. It can lead to girls voices being wrecked for good and becoming very deep, and permanent infertility is another risk. These treatments are playing with children's lives at a time when they lack the power of consent.
THATS THE POINT
And what if they decide that actually they didn't want to become a boy at all? Their voice is still destroyed.>it can lead to girls voices becoming very deepWell here's a study in the damage chest blockers can do: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...alCode=tchs20&Why not? I'm interested in what reasons you can come up with as a medical professional that would make doing so a risky option. Try and take your own ethics out of it, I dare you.Why prescribe them to children at all?
And honestly interested in why you think giving a young child hormones as they go through puberty isn't going to cause them problems. It can lead to girls voices being wrecked for good and becoming very deep, and permanent infertility is another risk. These treatments are playing with children's lives at a time when they lack the power of consent.
THATS THE POINT
What you're failing to acknowledge is that's already the case for the majority of cases. The situations where hormones are prescribed are where a lot of boxes have been ticked; there's also the fact that they're more effective pre-puberty so the outcome is more likely to be a desirable one.Why do it for children at all? Let them decide as an adult instead of dosing them up without care for the consequences. At least some of them will simply grow out of it so I see absolutely no case for medical intervention until they are grown up.You've yet to offer me anything categorical that isn't already considered.Well here's a study in the damage chest blockers can do: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...alCode=tchs20&Why not? I'm interested in what reasons you can come up with as a medical professional that would make doing so a risky option. Try and take your own ethics out of it, I dare you.Why prescribe them to children at all?
And honestly interested in why you think giving a young child hormones as they go through puberty isn't going to cause them problems. It can lead to girls voices being wrecked for good and becoming very deep, and permanent infertility is another risk. These treatments are playing with children's lives at a time when they lack the power of consent.
Very little medicine is completely risk free, nor is making decisions about gender identity for a child an easy one; indeed it's why there's a lot of safeguards in place to make sure that the decision made is the right one. Does that always result in the best outcome? No, it doesn't, but to focus on only the negative rather than the overall effect such things can have with gender dysphoria shows you can't remove your own personal bias from the equation.
Again, you're making it pretty clear that your argument is based on personal opinion and you've not really done any research into this. Trolling is a art though, so congrats on that.
Apparently the official FHC mod statement is "this is fine" in regards to smuggoposting
Cool I guess, Smuggo can keep jerking off
But you're interfering in a child's development? How can I be the only person who thinks this is wrong? You could do irreparable to them with such meddling and you do it without them being able to give adult consent. I suspect it is a scandal in the making as these kids grow up and sue the NHS for screwing up their bodies.What you're failing to acknowledge is that's already the case for the majority of cases. The situations where hormones are prescribed are where a lot of boxes have been ticked; there's also the fact that they're more effective pre-puberty so the outcome is more likely to be a desirable one.Why do it for children at all? Let them decide as an adult instead of dosing them up without care for the consequences. At least some of them will simply grow out of it so I see absolutely no case for medical intervention until they are grown up.You've yet to offer me anything categorical that isn't already considered.Well here's a study in the damage chest blockers can do: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...alCode=tchs20&Why not? I'm interested in what reasons you can come up with as a medical professional that would make doing so a risky option. Try and take your own ethics out of it, I dare you.Why prescribe them to children at all?
And honestly interested in why you think giving a young child hormones as they go through puberty isn't going to cause them problems. It can lead to girls voices being wrecked for good and becoming very deep, and permanent infertility is another risk. These treatments are playing with children's lives at a time when they lack the power of consent.
Very little medicine is completely risk free, nor is making decisions about gender identity for a child an easy one; indeed it's why there's a lot of safeguards in place to make sure that the decision made is the right one. Does that always result in the best outcome? No, it doesn't, but to focus on only the negative rather than the overall effect such things can have with gender dysphoria shows you can't remove your own personal bias from the equation.
Again, you're making it pretty clear that your argument is based on personal opinion and you've not really done any research into this. Trolling is a art though, so congrats on that.
What's the minimum age that the NHS will prescribe hormone treatment Smuggo? I know the answer, do you?But you're interfering in a child's development? How can I be the only person who thinks this is wrong? You could do irreparable to them with such meddling and you do it without them being able to give adult consent. I suspect it is a scandal in the making as these kids grow up and sue the NHS for screwing up their bodies.What you're failing to acknowledge is that's already the case for the majority of cases. The situations where hormones are prescribed are where a lot of boxes have been ticked; there's also the fact that they're more effective pre-puberty so the outcome is more likely to be a desirable one.Why do it for children at all? Let them decide as an adult instead of dosing them up without care for the consequences. At least some of them will simply grow out of it so I see absolutely no case for medical intervention until they are grown up.You've yet to offer me anything categorical that isn't already considered.Well here's a study in the damage chest blockers can do: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...alCode=tchs20&Why not? I'm interested in what reasons you can come up with as a medical professional that would make doing so a risky option. Try and take your own ethics out of it, I dare you.Why prescribe them to children at all?
And honestly interested in why you think giving a young child hormones as they go through puberty isn't going to cause them problems. It can lead to girls voices being wrecked for good and becoming very deep, and permanent infertility is another risk. These treatments are playing with children's lives at a time when they lack the power of consent.
Very little medicine is completely risk free, nor is making decisions about gender identity for a child an easy one; indeed it's why there's a lot of safeguards in place to make sure that the decision made is the right one. Does that always result in the best outcome? No, it doesn't, but to focus on only the negative rather than the overall effect such things can have with gender dysphoria shows you can't remove your own personal bias from the equation.
Again, you're making it pretty clear that your argument is based on personal opinion and you've not really done any research into this. Trolling is a art though, so congrats on that.
Currently 18 but some private clinics already do as young as twelve and some lobbies are pressuring the NHS to reduce its age currently.What's the minimum age that the NHS will prescribe hormone treatment Smuggo? I know the answer, do you?But you're interfering in a child's development? How can I be the only person who thinks this is wrong? You could do irreparable to them with such meddling and you do it without them being able to give adult consent. I suspect it is a scandal in the making as these kids grow up and sue the NHS for screwing up their bodies.What you're failing to acknowledge is that's already the case for the majority of cases. The situations where hormones are prescribed are where a lot of boxes have been ticked; there's also the fact that they're more effective pre-puberty so the outcome is more likely to be a desirable one.Why do it for children at all? Let them decide as an adult instead of dosing them up without care for the consequences. At least some of them will simply grow out of it so I see absolutely no case for medical intervention until they are grown up.You've yet to offer me anything categorical that isn't already considered.Well here's a study in the damage chest blockers can do: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...alCode=tchs20&Why not? I'm interested in what reasons you can come up with as a medical professional that would make doing so a risky option. Try and take your own ethics out of it, I dare you.Why prescribe them to children at all?
And honestly interested in why you think giving a young child hormones as they go through puberty isn't going to cause them problems. It can lead to girls voices being wrecked for good and becoming very deep, and permanent infertility is another risk. These treatments are playing with children's lives at a time when they lack the power of consent.
Very little medicine is completely risk free, nor is making decisions about gender identity for a child an easy one; indeed it's why there's a lot of safeguards in place to make sure that the decision made is the right one. Does that always result in the best outcome? No, it doesn't, but to focus on only the negative rather than the overall effect such things can have with gender dysphoria shows you can't remove your own personal bias from the equation.
Again, you're making it pretty clear that your argument is based on personal opinion and you've not really done any research into this. Trolling is a art though, so congrats on that.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...es-children-uk
So the scam is to get a private company to do it and then 6+ years later sue the NHS. Got it.
e: if you were gonna do that, you'd be better off just crashing a car at 5mph 3x per year and finding a dodgy engineer to write it off, claim for whiplash and all that.
Given the current climate the NHS will likely capitulate to demands soon. The fact it is legal at all to administer it to children is awful.
ftfyGiven the current climate the NHS will likely capitulate to demands soon. The fact it is legal at all to administer it to children is awful in my non-professional opinion.
So what you're trying to make out as a transgender factory (in your view) is actually a rather fringe thing that is only happening under rather select circumstances? Gosh, that almost sounds like rather individual situations where a lot of consideration has gone into things.
Shouldn't be done to children at all and IMO discussion of the issue should be an issue for them and their parents not propagandised at school.So what you're trying to make out as a transgender factory (in your view) is actually a rather fringe thing that is only happening under rather select circumstances? Gosh, that almost sounds like rather individual situations where a lot of consideration has gone into things.
Evidence of said propaganda?Shouldn't be done to children at all and IMO discussion of the issue should be an issue for them and their parents not propagandised at school.So what you're trying to make out as a transgender factory (in your view) is actually a rather fringe thing that is only happening under rather select circumstances? Gosh, that almost sounds like rather individual situations where a lot of consideration has gone into things.
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