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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    You have to kick out anyone whose convictions FOR ANYTHING carry a CUMULATIVE sentence of more than a year, even if no actual custodial sentence is awarded.

    To give an example of how laughable this, the crime of 'obstructing a wedding service' carries a maximum sentence of 2 years, so after 10 years as an otherwise law abiding citizen in Australia with 3 kids, off you go back to South Sudan to die even if you were let off with a small fine for your comedy objection to a hated SIL's wedding.
    You'll have to provide a link to that Lall as a search of the media here failed to turn up the case you mentioned. Plus we do not deport back to South Sudan meaning people get stuck in immigration detention instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximillian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    You have to kick out anyone whose convictions FOR ANYTHING carry a CUMULATIVE sentence of more than a year, even if no actual custodial sentence is awarded.

    To give an example of how laughable this, the crime of 'obstructing a wedding service' carries a maximum sentence of 2 years, so after 10 years as an otherwise law abiding citizen in Australia with 3 kids, off you go back to South Sudan to die even if you were let off with a small fine for your comedy objection to a hated SIL's wedding.
    You'll have to provide a link to that Lall as a search of the media here failed to turn up the case you mentioned. Plus we do not deport back to South Sudan meaning people get stuck in immigration detention instead.
    (b) Primary considerations

    Direction No. 55 provides that in deciding whether to refuse or cancel a person’s visa under section 501, the following primary considerations must be taken into account:[28]

    the protection of the Australian community from criminal or other serious conduct[29]
    the best interests of minor children in Australia[30]
    whether Australia owes international non-refoulement obligations to the person[31] (under the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees (Refugee Convention),[32] the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CAT),[33] and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR).[34]

    When considering whether to cancel a visa, the decision-maker must take into account the additional primary considerations of ‘the strength, duration and nature of the person’s ties to Australia’.[35]
    (c) Other considerations

    Direction No. 55 sets out a range of other considerations that may be relevant and, if so, must be taken into account in determining whether to refuse or cancel a visa under section 501. These considerations are generally to be given less weight than the primary considerations set out above.[36] These other considerations include the impact of refusal or cancellation on:

    the person’s immediate family in Australia (if those family members are Australian citizens, permanent residents, or people who have a right to remain in Australia indefinitely)[37]
    Australian business interests[38]
    members of the Australian community, including victims of the person’s criminal behaviour and those victims’ families.[39]

    Again, in the case of cancellation of a visa (rather than refusal) there is an additional consideration, that is ‘the extent of any impediments that the person may face if removed from Australia to their home country, in establishing themselves and maintaining basic living standards’ in light of:

    the person’s age and health
    any substantial language or cultural barriers, and
    any ‘social, medical and/or economic support available to them in that country’.[40]

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    The treatment of indigenous communities is pretty right wing too.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Also lets not even get started on Australia's far right, 1980s Environmental policies
    We signed up to Paris and have stated that we will reduce our emissions by 26% from 2005 levels.

    Currently there is a political argument over whether to pledge net zero to 2050.

    We are a huge country with a small population so energy is a big issue. Currently we are running ahead of our 2030 target but a lot of that is down to covid.

    Not all of this is at the Federal Level as many States have greater emission reduction targets legislated.

    Main issue to be addressed is the national grid as we are hitting a choke point where distributed inputs from small scale renewables (like my roof top solar) are causing load issues with the grid.

    Again it would be nice to move faster but we are moving to reduce emissions and we are actually doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    The treatment of indigenous communities is pretty right wing too.
    Yep there is still along way to go on that front but again things are moving in the right direction. After Mabo native title has been awarded over 32% of the land mass of Australia to 3.3% of the population.

    The big issue is incarceration rates because Aborigines get incarcerated at a huge rate. This leads back into problems of unemployment, substance abuse and all the issues that plague a population that is both a minority and lives in remote and isolated regions of the country.

    Again things have change greatly over my lifetime because when I was born Aborigines weren't even included in the census. Long way to go but things are going slowly in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximillian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Also lets not even get started on Australia's far right, 1980s Environmental policies
    We signed up to Paris and have stated that we will reduce our emissions by 26% from 2005 levels.

    Currently there is a political argument over whether to pledge net zero to 2050.

    We are a huge country with a small population so energy is a big issue. Currently we are running ahead of our 2030 target but a lot of that is down to covid.

    Not all of this is at the Federal Level as many States have greater emission reduction targets legislated.

    Main issue to be addressed is the national grid as we are hitting a choke point where distributed inputs from small scale renewables (like my roof top solar) are causing load issues with the grid.

    Again it would be nice to move faster but we are moving to reduce emissions and we are actually doing it.
    *Sounds of barrier reef dredging and coal mining intensify*

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    In today's episode: a fragile white racist lawyer desperately trying to present the whole country of Australia as some sort of right wing hellhole to support his initial argument while local farmer prints a more realistic picture, admitting there's a lot of progress to be made while calmly snapping those straws one by one

    Farmer power, all of my +reps
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    Racism doesn't exist, and is not a problem, say white people...
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    *Sounds of barrier reef dredging and coal mining intensify*
    Hmmm, I wonder who might be manufacturing consent behind the scenes for the political landscape of Australia to be dominated by right wing centrists and their wealthy backers in business? Could it in fact be people with similar levels of influence in America? Maybe they also have influence in the UK?

    I can't believe it's come to me spelling this out so patronisingly.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    *Sounds of barrier reef dredging and coal mining intensify*
    Hmmm, I wonder who might be manufacturing consent behind the scenes for the political landscape of Australia to be dominated by right wing centrists and their wealthy backers in business? Could it in fact be people with similar levels of influence in America? Maybe they also have influence in the UK?

    I can't believe it's come to me spelling this out so patronisingly.
    His name is Rupert Murdoch.
    meh

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    Wasnt this whole point that 100% voting doesnt magically create a socialist utopia; many of the people who wont vote unless forced are just the sort of people we, the liberal intelligentsia, would not want voting anyway

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    Maybe the liberal intelligentsia should do a better job at either attracting these people, or attacking and destroying the people these people do vote for then.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Racism doesn't exist, and is not a problem, say white people...
    said nobody ever
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    we, the liberal intelligentsia
    I'm gonna vomit at the idea of anyone actively calling themselves that.


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    No. The point was that America's democracy isn't experiencing problems with too many people voting who shouldn't be. Therefore any attempts to suppress access to voting for American citizens is conducted in bad faith to influence results in favour of one party in a two party system which is losing (or has already lost) any route to power through the popular vote.

    If America was going to conduct any sort of electoral reform in order to achieve more democratic outcomes it would be expanding voting rights and making it easier to vote in the first instance. The absence of this is purely a demonstration that the American establishment does not give primacy to democratic mandates for policy decisions.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    many of the people who wont vote unless forced are just the sort of people we, the liberal intelligentsia, would not want voting anyway
    Speak for yourself mate
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    No. The point was that America's democracy isn't experiencing problems with too many people voting who shouldn't be. Therefore any attempts to suppress access to voting for American citizens is conducted in bad faith to influence results in favour of one party in a two party system which is losing (or has already lost) any route to power through the popular vote.

    If America was going to conduct any sort of electoral reform in order to achieve more democratic outcomes it would be expanding voting rights and making it easier to vote in the first instance. The absence of this is purely a demonstration that the American establishment does not give primacy to democratic mandates for policy decisions.
    It carries a lot more weight in local affairs. I guess it's easy to ignore what people want, the further insulated from their direct ire a politician becomes.

    I also find if fucking laughable, in the most detestable, sad way, anyone who claims to be for the US constitution, but who wants less citizens to vote. Must be an originalist 3/5er or something.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Why do you hate democracy?
    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    I'm not even sure what alistair is proposing, fascism?
    Never change FHC.
    Oh, look, the classic Alistair move is being deployed!
    If folks still see me as a Trump supporting, Democracy Hating Fascist, after everything I've posted here over the years, there simply isn't any reason to keep posting here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    we, the liberal intelligentsia
    I'm gonna vomit at the idea of anyone actively calling themselves that.

    Vomit as much as you like you are absolutely part of it hwther you like it or not

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    I always preferred the term "champagne socialist" myself, although "keyboard communist" also has a thing going for it
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