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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    More likely that for once Trump's advisors penetrated his massive ego and pointed out that the people who truly hate him are the Congressional Republicans. Their plan was to fuck government at a time of crisis so they could rip apart the funding of all their pet hates, knowing that Trump would take the blame and that the 2018 elections are a long way away.

    Trump knows that Bush's reputation was tanked by Katrina, so for him the Government not having funds for disaster relief was politically unthinkable.

    So Trump did something politically smart, he did a deal with the Dems, fucked over his GOP enemies, and moved the whole debt ceiling negotiation to 2018 where Congress will wear the consequences of fucking over Americans by shutting the Government if they don't deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximillian View Post
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    More likely that for once Trump's advisors penetrated his massive ego and pointed out that the people who truly hate him are the Congressional Republicans. Their plan was to fuck government at a time of crisis so they could rip apart the funding of all their pet hates, knowing that Trump would take the blame and that the 2018 elections are a long way away.

    Trump knows that Bush's reputation was tanked by Katrina, so for him the Government not having funds for disaster relief was politically unthinkable.

    So Trump did something politically smart, he did a deal with the Dems, fucked over his GOP enemies, and moved the whole debt ceiling negotiation to 2018 where Congress will wear the consequences of fucking over Americans by shutting the Government if they don't deal.
    Aye, it also puts the Dems in a difficult situation of siding with the Devil. I agree he played this pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
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    More likely that for once Trump's advisors penetrated his massive ego and pointed out that the people who truly hate him are the Congressional Republicans. Their plan was to fuck government at a time of crisis so they could rip apart the funding of all their pet hates, knowing that Trump would take the blame and that the 2018 elections are a long way away.

    Trump knows that Bush's reputation was tanked by Katrina, so for him the Government not having funds for disaster relief was politically unthinkable.

    So Trump did something politically smart, he did a deal with the Dems, fucked over his GOP enemies, and moved the whole debt ceiling negotiation to 2018 where Congress will wear the consequences of fucking over Americans by shutting the Government if they don't deal.
    Aye, it also puts the Dems in a difficult situation of siding with the Devil. I agree he played this pretty well.
    I suspect that this is Kelly cleaning out all the drooling far right idiots who rode Trump into the Whitehouse. One lunatic is easier to coral that a horde of lunatics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
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    More likely that for once Trump's advisors penetrated his massive ego and pointed out that the people who truly hate him are the Congressional Republicans. Their plan was to fuck government at a time of crisis so they could rip apart the funding of all their pet hates, knowing that Trump would take the blame and that the 2018 elections are a long way away.

    Trump knows that Bush's reputation was tanked by Katrina, so for him the Government not having funds for disaster relief was politically unthinkable.

    So Trump did something politically smart, he did a deal with the Dems, fucked over his GOP enemies, and moved the whole debt ceiling negotiation to 2018 where Congress will wear the consequences of fucking over Americans by shutting the Government if they don't deal.
    Aye, it also puts the Dems in a difficult situation of siding with the Devil. I agree he played this pretty well.
    Amazing how Trump manages to stumble from one success to the next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakshasa The Cat View Post
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    More likely that for once Trump's advisors penetrated his massive ego and pointed out that the people who truly hate him are the Congressional Republicans. Their plan was to fuck government at a time of crisis so they could rip apart the funding of all their pet hates, knowing that Trump would take the blame and that the 2018 elections are a long way away.

    Trump knows that Bush's reputation was tanked by Katrina, so for him the Government not having funds for disaster relief was politically unthinkable.

    So Trump did something politically smart, he did a deal with the Dems, fucked over his GOP enemies, and moved the whole debt ceiling negotiation to 2018 where Congress will wear the consequences of fucking over Americans by shutting the Government if they don't deal.
    Aye, it also puts the Dems in a difficult situation of siding with the Devil. I agree he played this pretty well.
    Amazing how Trump manages to stumble from one success to the next.
    Trump's laziness may be his greatest asset. Previous Presidents wanted to get things done so they used Executive Orders to do things rather than Congress legislating. This meant that the President wore a lot of the blame for stuff that Congress is responsible for.

    Trump seems to be saying "that is Congress's job", and with the GOP basically having control they have no excuse in failing to do things. There is a huge backlog of legislation that needs to be passed or renewed, and every failure will be slated home to the house Republicans.

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    I guess this is the appropriate thread for this:
    Last summer I had a tenth grade class (15-16) which graduated from our school, either to continue towards the Abitur and university, or to start an apprenticeship. One of our students was a pre-op transsexual that for as long as she went to this school was a girl.
    Two days ago my colleague and I (we have two teachers per class as the class' classroom teachers) got that students file and a note that she needs all her report cards to be redone with her girl name. Along with the note and the file was the court order to all government institutions holding a file to change the name and Geschlecht* filed and a birth certificate indicating the birth of a girl of such name some 17ish years ago.

    So we spent every free minute between classes to redo all the report cards (which are serious documents here), print them and then get them signed by the principal and ourselves.

    The court order indicates that the process that was started in her last school year with hormones is now complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    I guess this is the appropriate thread for this:
    Last summer I had a tenth grade class (15-16) which graduated from our school, either to continue towards the Abitur and university, or to start an apprenticeship. One of our students was a pre-op transsexual that for as long as she went to this school was a girl.
    Two days ago my colleague and I (we have two teachers per class as the class' classroom teachers) got that students file and a note that she needs all her report cards to be redone with her girl name. Along with the note and the file was the court order to all government institutions holding a file to change the name and Geschlecht* filed and a birth certificate indicating the birth of a girl of such name some 17ish years ago.

    So we spent every free minute between classes to redo all the report cards (which are serious documents here), print them and then get them signed by the principal and ourselves.

    The court order indicates that the process that was started in her last school year with hormones is now complete.

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    Brilliant! Good for her.

    I'm sorry her existence inconvenienced you :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    a birth certificate indicating the birth of a girl of such name some 17ish years ago.
    He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
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    I guess this is the appropriate thread for this:
    Last summer I had a tenth grade class (15-16) which graduated from our school, either to continue towards the Abitur and university, or to start an apprenticeship. One of our students was a pre-op transsexual that for as long as she went to this school was a girl.
    Two days ago my colleague and I (we have two teachers per class as the class' classroom teachers) got that students file and a note that she needs all her report cards to be redone with her girl name. Along with the note and the file was the court order to all government institutions holding a file to change the name and Geschlecht* filed and a birth certificate indicating the birth of a girl of such name some 17ish years ago.

    So we spent every free minute between classes to redo all the report cards (which are serious documents here), print them and then get them signed by the principal and ourselves.

    The court order indicates that the process that was started in her last school year with hormones is now complete.

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    Brilliant! Good for her.

    I'm sorry her existence inconvenienced you :P
    Did you just assume zir gender?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    I guess this is the appropriate thread for this:
    Last summer I had a tenth grade class (15-16) which graduated from our school, either to continue towards the Abitur and university, or to start an apprenticeship. One of our students was a pre-op transsexual that for as long as she went to this school was a girl.
    Two days ago my colleague and I (we have two teachers per class as the class' classroom teachers) got that students file and a note that she needs all her report cards to be redone with her girl name. Along with the note and the file was the court order to all government institutions holding a file to change the name and Geschlecht* filed and a birth certificate indicating the birth of a girl of such name some 17ish years ago.

    So we spent every free minute between classes to redo all the report cards (which are serious documents here), print them and then get them signed by the principal and ourselves.

    The court order indicates that the process that was started in her last school year with hormones is now complete.

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    German efficiency at work, good job

    I can't even imagine how awful trying to do that in the UK would be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    I guess this is the appropriate thread for this:
    Last summer I had a tenth grade class (15-16) which graduated from our school, either to continue towards the Abitur and university, or to start an apprenticeship. One of our students was a pre-op transsexual that for as long as she went to this school was a girl.
    Two days ago my colleague and I (we have two teachers per class as the class' classroom teachers) got that students file and a note that she needs all her report cards to be redone with her girl name. Along with the note and the file was the court order to all government institutions holding a file to change the name and Geschlecht* filed and a birth certificate indicating the birth of a girl of such name some 17ish years ago.

    So we spent every free minute between classes to redo all the report cards (which are serious documents here), print them and then get them signed by the principal and ourselves.

    The court order indicates that the process that was started in her last school year with hormones is now complete.

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    Brilliant! Good for her.

    I'm sorry her existence inconvenienced you :P
    Nah, I'm happy for her. It cost a bit of time in an otherwise super busy week (we had parent-teacher meeting last night, that was a bit long and arduous) but I know it means a lot to her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    I guess this is the appropriate thread for this:
    Last summer I had a tenth grade class (15-16) which graduated from our school, either to continue towards the Abitur and university, or to start an apprenticeship. One of our students was a pre-op transsexual that for as long as she went to this school was a girl.
    Two days ago my colleague and I (we have two teachers per class as the class' classroom teachers) got that students file and a note that she needs all her report cards to be redone with her girl name. Along with the note and the file was the court order to all government institutions holding a file to change the name and Geschlecht* filed and a birth certificate indicating the birth of a girl of such name some 17ish years ago.

    So we spent every free minute between classes to redo all the report cards (which are serious documents here), print them and then get them signed by the principal and ourselves.

    The court order indicates that the process that was started in her last school year with hormones is now complete.

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    Brilliant! Good for her.

    I'm sorry her existence inconvenienced you :P
    Nah, I'm happy for her. It cost a bit of time in an otherwise super busy week (we had parent-teacher meeting last night, that was a bit long and arduous) but I know it means a lot to her.
    Ah cool. Its hard to even imagine how big a deal this would be to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
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    I guess this is the appropriate thread for this:
    Last summer I had a tenth grade class (15-16) which graduated from our school, either to continue towards the Abitur and university, or to start an apprenticeship. One of our students was a pre-op transsexual that for as long as she went to this school was a girl.
    Two days ago my colleague and I (we have two teachers per class as the class' classroom teachers) got that students file and a note that she needs all her report cards to be redone with her girl name. Along with the note and the file was the court order to all government institutions holding a file to change the name and Geschlecht* filed and a birth certificate indicating the birth of a girl of such name some 17ish years ago.

    So we spent every free minute between classes to redo all the report cards (which are serious documents here), print them and then get them signed by the principal and ourselves.

    The court order indicates that the process that was started in her last school year with hormones is now complete.

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    Brilliant! Good for her.

    I'm sorry her existence inconvenienced you :P
    Nah, I'm happy for her. It cost a bit of time in an otherwise super busy week (we had parent-teacher meeting last night, that was a bit long and arduous) but I know it means a lot to her.
    Ah cool. Its hard to even imagine how big a deal this would be to her.
    To be honest, my colleague was a bit annoyed at first, because it's a clerical task at best and should have been done by the school's office. However that's just two people with 1.5 positions between them (so 60h of paid work per week for both) and we have 800 students. So no way in hell could they have handled it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
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    I guess this is the appropriate thread for this:
    Last summer I had a tenth grade class (15-16) which graduated from our school, either to continue towards the Abitur and university, or to start an apprenticeship. One of our students was a pre-op transsexual that for as long as she went to this school was a girl.
    Two days ago my colleague and I (we have two teachers per class as the class' classroom teachers) got that students file and a note that she needs all her report cards to be redone with her girl name. Along with the note and the file was the court order to all government institutions holding a file to change the name and Geschlecht* filed and a birth certificate indicating the birth of a girl of such name some 17ish years ago.

    So we spent every free minute between classes to redo all the report cards (which are serious documents here), print them and then get them signed by the principal and ourselves.

    The court order indicates that the process that was started in her last school year with hormones is now complete.

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    Brilliant! Good for her.

    I'm sorry her existence inconvenienced you :P
    Nah, I'm happy for her. It cost a bit of time in an otherwise super busy week (we had parent-teacher meeting last night, that was a bit long and arduous) but I know it means a lot to her.
    Ah cool. Its hard to even imagine how big a deal this would be to her.
    How so? They are representations of a past time where she was, in fact, male. The fact that she is a female now (which I 100% accept) indicated that all future facing documentation and records should align with that.

    But I will admit, I have less understanding of the desire to effectively re-write historical data to indicate something that was not, in fact, accurate at that time.

    What is gained here that would outweigh accurate historical record keeping by the State? Her feelings? It's hard to understand, as one not privy to those feelings, how her feelings are hurt by historic documents being factually accurate.

    I'm very open to explanation/education on this however.




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    im guessing its mostly to do with simplifying all future administrative work, otherwise s/he and the school would hafta have 2 folders with her school records in different names and would hafta have 2 ID cards to prove s/he finished school with those marks when applying for college/jobs etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    im guessing its mostly to do with simplifying all future administrative work, otherwise s/he and the school would hafta have 2 folders with her school records in different names and would hafta have 2 ID cards to prove s/he finished school with those marks when applying for college/jobs etc
    Pmuch, efficient German bureaucracy doesn't want to have mismatching data

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
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    im guessing its mostly to do with simplifying all future administrative work, otherwise s/he and the school would hafta have 2 folders with her school records in different names and would hafta have 2 ID cards to prove s/he finished school with those marks when applying for college/jobs etc
    Pmuch, efficient German bureaucracy doesn't want to have mismatching data
    Waaaaay too complicated.

    It's about discrimination.
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