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    In a few hundred years changing sex will be like changing a pair of underwear. Our whole notion of gender and sexuality will be fluid and the current one will cease to exist.

    When you realise this, that the tech simply isn't there yet, you should not discriminate against people for wanting to alter their sex.
    The tech would be a very invasive kind of gene therapy (assuming you can ever safely alter chromosomes) and surgery, not to mention organ replacement and a lifetime of hormone therapy. It will be a high risk series of procedures for a specialized group of people to perform and be performed on. Far better to research and tackle the issue while it's still pre-natal and find out why you have intersex and transgendered people.


    That's bait.
    Obviously. Like he knows where we'll be in 500 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
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    In a few hundred years changing sex will be like changing a pair of underwear. Our whole notion of gender and sexuality will be fluid and the current one will cease to exist.

    When you realise this, that the tech simply isn't there yet, you should not discriminate against people for wanting to alter their sex.
    The tech would be a very invasive kind of gene therapy (assuming you can ever safely alter chromosomes) and surgery, not to mention organ replacement and a lifetime of hormone therapy. It will be a high risk series of procedures for a specialized group of people to perform and be performed on. Far better to research and tackle the issue while it's still pre-natal and find out why you have intersex and transgendered people.


    That's bait.
    Obviously. Like he knows where we'll be in 500 years.
    Probably extinct tbh.

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    In a few hundred years changing sex will be like changing a pair of underwear. Our whole notion of gender and sexuality will be fluid and the current one will cease to exist.

    When you realise this, that the tech simply isn't there yet, you should not discriminate against people for wanting to alter their sex.
    The tech would be a very invasive kind of gene therapy (assuming you can ever safely alter chromosomes) and surgery, not to mention organ replacement and a lifetime of hormone therapy. It will be a high risk series of procedures for a specialized group of people to perform and be performed on. Far better to research and tackle the issue while it's still pre-natal and find out why you have intersex and transgendered people.


    That's bait.
    Obviously. Like he knows where we'll be in 500 years.
    Probably extinct tbh.
    Only because we will all become gender-fluid helicopterkin incapable of sexual reproduction.

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    There have been three genetalia-based sexes in the human species for as long as we have records of these things (Male, Female, Intersex), so having three options on a passport just seems like a common sense thing.

    There are around 5 million intersex people with both genetalia on the planet, so having a third classification shouldn't be a problem for anyone arguing from a rational pov.
    That seems fair, but I bet that's not who it's aimed at.
    Wouldn't everyone be equal under Communism no matter their gender identity?
    Gender = sex, which is not optional it's just biology so of course would be equal. But pretending you're a pangender unicornkin is just made up bullshit and they should be sent to gulag.
    Low quality bait

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    Are we yet again discussing a Culture like future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
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    Parents forcing shit on like that on their kids is bad, but I think more often then not the kids come up with it and the parents roll with it. At what age should a parent tell a kid not to wear a dress if they want?
    You're getting into dangerous wrongthink here...

    Essay question: When people suffer from genuine gender dysphoria why is the default to correct the body to the brain through expensive surgery and hormone therapy resulting in an individual who cannot procreate and belongs to a group which has the highest suicide rate of any demographic rather than correct the brain to the body through therapy and drugs?
    What therapy and which drugs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post

    What therapy and which drugs?
    What? I tried to do this weekend, the numbers there were closer to 10-12k. And what to buy..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
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    Parents forcing shit on like that on their kids is bad, but I think more often then not the kids come up with it and the parents roll with it. At what age should a parent tell a kid not to wear a dress if they want?
    You're getting into dangerous wrongthink here...

    Essay question: When people suffer from genuine gender dysphoria why is the default to correct the body to the brain through expensive surgery and hormone therapy resulting in an individual who cannot procreate and belongs to a group which has the highest suicide rate of any demographic rather than correct the brain to the body through therapy and drugs?
    What therapy and which drugs?
    oh, dont mind lark, he's just literately advocating pseudo-science now.

    no doubt he's going start talking about lobotomies as a treatment option soon enough.
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    Lark hiding his deeply conservative social stance behind a veneer of "I'm just asking questions"

    Nothing to see here, move along

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
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    Parents forcing shit on like that on their kids is bad, but I think more often then not the kids come up with it and the parents roll with it. At what age should a parent tell a kid not to wear a dress if they want?
    You're getting into dangerous wrongthink here...

    Essay question: When people suffer from genuine gender dysphoria why is the default to correct the body to the brain through expensive surgery and hormone therapy resulting in an individual who cannot procreate and belongs to a group which has the highest suicide rate of any demographic rather than correct the brain to the body through therapy and drugs?
    What therapy and which drugs?
    oh, dont mind lark, he's just literately advocating pseudo-science now.

    no doubt he's going start talking about lobotomies as a treatment option soon enough.
    Or the fact is that half the transgender population kills themselves and that statistics are the same whether they receive transition therapy or do not.

    No, you're right that's pseudo-science, ignoring a serious issue is hard science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
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    Parents forcing shit on like that on their kids is bad, but I think more often then not the kids come up with it and the parents roll with it. At what age should a parent tell a kid not to wear a dress if they want?
    You're getting into dangerous wrongthink here...

    Essay question: When people suffer from genuine gender dysphoria why is the default to correct the body to the brain through expensive surgery and hormone therapy resulting in an individual who cannot procreate and belongs to a group which has the highest suicide rate of any demographic rather than correct the brain to the body through therapy and drugs?
    What therapy and which drugs?
    oh, dont mind lark, he's just literately advocating pseudo-science now.

    no doubt he's going start talking about lobotomies as a treatment option soon enough.
    Or the fact is that half the transgender population kills themselves and that statistics are the same whether they receive transition therapy or do not.

    No, you're right that's pseudo-science, ignoring a serious issue is hard science.
    The statistics are absolutely not the same post-transition

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
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    Parents forcing shit on like that on their kids is bad, but I think more often then not the kids come up with it and the parents roll with it. At what age should a parent tell a kid not to wear a dress if they want?
    You're getting into dangerous wrongthink here...

    Essay question: When people suffer from genuine gender dysphoria why is the default to correct the body to the brain through expensive surgery and hormone therapy resulting in an individual who cannot procreate and belongs to a group which has the highest suicide rate of any demographic rather than correct the brain to the body through therapy and drugs?
    What therapy and which drugs?
    oh, dont mind lark, he's just literately advocating pseudo-science now.

    no doubt he's going start talking about lobotomies as a treatment option soon enough.
    Or the fact is that half the transgender population kills themselves and that statistics are the same whether they receive transition therapy or do not.

    No, you're right that's pseudo-science, ignoring a serious issue is hard science.
    The statistics are absolutely not the same post-transition
    Unfortunately, the only evidence I can find that is medical and peer reviewed, and not frothy opinion on either some transrights blog or rubbish conservative blog is the Swedish study. As far as suicide rates in general, the NIMH report seems most complete.
    Last edited by erichkknaar; August 26 2017 at 04:33:17 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
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    There have been three genetalia-based sexes in the human species for as long as we have records of these things (Male, Female, Intersex), so having three options on a passport just seems like a common sense thing.

    There are around 5 million intersex people with both genetalia on the planet, so having a third classification shouldn't be a problem for anyone arguing from a rational pov.
    That seems fair, but I bet that's not who it's aimed at.
    Wouldn't everyone be equal under Communism no matter their gender identity?
    Gender = sex, which is not optional it's just biology so of course would be equal. But pretending you're a pangender unicornkin is just made up bullshit and they should be sent to gulag.
    Low quality bait


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    Dude weed LMAO

    In actual posting, this whole AMA is a pretty good read, I'll see if I can find the others

    https://www.reddit.com/r/science/com..._joshua_safer/

    Found another, linking to the comment containing articles about the suicide rate of post-transition/intervention subjects

    https://www.reddit.com/r/science/com...hanna/dkoz00d/

    And here's the 3rd

    https://www.reddit.com/r/science/com...e_a_fellow_of/

    I believe the 3rd AMA is by the author of the Swedish study mentioned above

    In March 2017, I presented my thesis “On Gender Dysphoria” at the Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, Sweden. I have published peer reviewed articles on psychiatric health, epidemiology, the background to gender dysphoria, and transgender men’s experience of fertility preservation. My upcoming project aims to describe the outcome of our treatment program for people with a non-binary gender identity.
    Researchers are happy when their findings are recognized and have an impact. However, once your study is published, you lose control of how the results are used. The paper by me and co-workers named “Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden.“ have had an impact both in the scientific world and outside this community.
    The findings have been used to argue that gender-affirming treatment should be stopped since it could be dangerous (Levine, 2016). However, the results have also been used to show the vulnerability of transgender people and that better transgender health care is needed (Arcelus & Bouman, 2015; Zeluf et al., 2016). Despite the paper clearly stating that the study was not designed to evaluate whether or not gender-affirming is beneficial, it has been interpreted as such.
    Emphasis mine
    Last edited by XenosisMk4; August 26 2017 at 05:16:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
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    Parents forcing shit on like that on their kids is bad, but I think more often then not the kids come up with it and the parents roll with it. At what age should a parent tell a kid not to wear a dress if they want?
    You're getting into dangerous wrongthink here...

    Essay question: When people suffer from genuine gender dysphoria why is the default to correct the body to the brain through expensive surgery and hormone therapy resulting in an individual who cannot procreate and belongs to a group which has the highest suicide rate of any demographic rather than correct the brain to the body through therapy and drugs?
    What therapy and which drugs?
    oh, dont mind lark, he's just literately advocating pseudo-science now.

    no doubt he's going start talking about lobotomies as a treatment option soon enough.
    Or the fact is that half the transgender population kills themselves and that statistics are the same whether they receive transition therapy or do not.

    No, you're right that's pseudo-science, ignoring a serious issue is hard science.
    The statistics are absolutely not the same post-transition
    Please share this sure to be unbiased unmanipulated information that wasn't developed to further a false narrative that everything is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
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    Parents forcing shit on like that on their kids is bad, but I think more often then not the kids come up with it and the parents roll with it. At what age should a parent tell a kid not to wear a dress if they want?
    You're getting into dangerous wrongthink here...

    Essay question: When people suffer from genuine gender dysphoria why is the default to correct the body to the brain through expensive surgery and hormone therapy resulting in an individual who cannot procreate and belongs to a group which has the highest suicide rate of any demographic rather than correct the brain to the body through therapy and drugs?
    What therapy and which drugs?
    oh, dont mind lark, he's just literately advocating pseudo-science now.

    no doubt he's going start talking about lobotomies as a treatment option soon enough.
    Or the fact is that half the transgender population kills themselves
    Well clearly that's because we aren't delegitimising them enough.
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    Parents forcing shit on like that on their kids is bad, but I think more often then not the kids come up with it and the parents roll with it. At what age should a parent tell a kid not to wear a dress if they want?
    You're getting into dangerous wrongthink here...

    Essay question: When people suffer from genuine gender dysphoria why is the default to correct the body to the brain through expensive surgery and hormone therapy resulting in an individual who cannot procreate and belongs to a group which has the highest suicide rate of any demographic rather than correct the brain to the body through therapy and drugs?
    What therapy and which drugs?
    oh, dont mind lark, he's just literately advocating pseudo-science now.

    no doubt he's going start talking about lobotomies as a treatment option soon enough.
    Or the fact is that half the transgender population kills themselves and that statistics are the same whether they receive transition therapy or do not.

    No, you're right that's pseudo-science, ignoring a serious issue is hard science.
    The statistics are absolutely not the same post-transition
    Please share this sure to be unbiased unmanipulated information that wasn't developed to further a false narrative that everything is fine.
    That isn't the point, you sperge

    Of course things aren't "fine", but all available medical knowledge at this point says that allowing somebody to transition is /not/ harmful

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    "guys why do so many trans people kill themselves?"

    "well it can't be because a significant chunk of the population either considers them insane or believes they don't exist/are lying"

    wew lad

    replace trans with gay/bi/etc if you want and see how that looks.

    Since locking people up for being faggots went out of vogue in the 80s and the conservative body realized they'd lost that battle, I guess they've just moved on to a new boogeyman
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