Gun Thread (AK appreciation)

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Originally Posted by RazoR

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

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Originally Posted by Limos

Yes, they do a job. But when the bullet itself is travelling supersonic the point is mostly moot.

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It really isn't. There is still a ton of value in reducing the signature of the firing platform. And since suppressors have virtually no downsides, there's very little reason not to use them.

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Originally Posted by Limos

My second sentence could have been clearer: As you wouldn't feed a MG sub sonic ammo, why would you use a suppressor on it - AFAIK no military issues a squad machine gun with one or the other.

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Nobody uses subsonics with MGs because it would be stupid. They don't issue suppressors to everybody because $$$ (earplugs are a lot cheaper).

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Dianeces, ladies and gentlemen :troll:


"Tactical supressors" (the ones designed to work with supersonic ammo) do have heating problems on top of disabling the muzzle brake which really makes them a burden for any kind of sustained automatic fire, which is what you take LMGs for in the first place.

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And by "the ones designed to work with supersonic ammo", you mean virtually all of them, right?

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

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Originally Posted by RazoR

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

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Originally Posted by Limos

Yes, they do a job. But when the bullet itself is travelling supersonic the point is mostly moot.

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It really isn't. There is still a ton of value in reducing the signature of the firing platform. And since suppressors have virtually no downsides, there's very little reason not to use them.

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Originally Posted by Limos

My second sentence could have been clearer: As you wouldn't feed a MG sub sonic ammo, why would you use a suppressor on it - AFAIK no military issues a squad machine gun with one or the other.

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Nobody uses subsonics with MGs because it would be stupid. They don't issue suppressors to everybody because $$$ (earplugs are a lot cheaper).

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Dianeces, ladies and gentlemen :troll:


"Tactical supressors" (the ones designed to work with supersonic ammo) do have heating problems on top of disabling the muzzle brake which really makes them a burden for any kind of sustained automatic fire, which is what you take LMGs for in the first place.

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And by "the ones designed to work with supersonic ammo", you mean virtually all of them, right?

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Outside of russia, maybe.

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Originally Posted by RazoR

Outside of russia, maybe.

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Something, something, low quality Russian equipment.

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

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Originally Posted by RazoR

Outside of russia, maybe.

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Something, something, low quality Russian equipment.

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Something, something, needlessly decadent American equipment.

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Originally Posted by RazoR

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

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Originally Posted by Limos

Yes, they do a job. But when the bullet itself is travelling supersonic the point is mostly moot.

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It really isn't. There is still a ton of value in reducing the signature of the firing platform. And since suppressors have virtually no downsides, there's very little reason not to use them.

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Originally Posted by Limos

My second sentence could have been clearer: As you wouldn't feed a MG sub sonic ammo, why would you use a suppressor on it - AFAIK no military issues a squad machine gun with one or the other.

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Nobody uses subsonics with MGs because it would be stupid. They don't issue suppressors to everybody because $$$ (earplugs are a lot cheaper).

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Dianeces, ladies and gentlemen :troll:


"Tactical supressors" (the ones designed to work with supersonic ammo) do have heating problems on top of disabling the muzzle brake which really makes them a burden for any kind of sustained automatic fire, which is what you take LMGs for in the first place.

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muzzle brake ? pfft

conical flash-hiders and manliness is where it's at.

http://www.military-today.com/firearms/mg3_l1.jpg

(yes, i know the base-vent holes function as a muzzle brake)

on a side note, you lot think it's for shit-and-giggles that the MP5SD's remain in inventory by everybody who still does serious sneaky sneaky stuff ? 9x19 subsonic is a comparatively minor velocity loss that doesn't affect lethality trajectory at the usual range it's used (0 out to about 100 meters)

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Originally Posted by RazoR

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

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Originally Posted by RazoR

Outside of russia, maybe.

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Something, something, low quality Russian equipment.

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Something, something, needlessly decadent American equipment.

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Yes, that stainless steel. So decadent. Seriously, have you ever actually fired a firearm with a suppressor? I realize you're an internet expert, but do you have any actual experience with them?

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Originally Posted by Liare

on a side note, you lot think it's for shit-and-giggles that the MP5SD's remain in inventory by everybody who still does serious sneaky sneaky stuff ? 9x19 subsonic is a comparatively minor velocity loss that doesn't affect lethality trajectory at the usual range it's used (0 out to about 100 meters)

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Whoa, slow down there sherlock.

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

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Originally Posted by RazoR

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

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Originally Posted by RazoR

Outside of russia, maybe.

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Something, something, low quality Russian equipment.

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Something, something, needlessly decadent American equipment.

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Yes, that stainless steel. So decadent. Seriously, have you ever actually fired a firearm with a suppressor? I realize you're an internet expert, but do you have any actual experience with them?

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Well it ain't stamped and then you have some aluminum and even titan when you can't figure out how to drop weight off your machined monstrosities.

I actually forgot what we are arguing about here. You do concur that tactical supressors are a crutch for low-impulse cartridge guns, right?

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Originally Posted by RazoR

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Originally Posted by Liare

on a side note, you lot think it's for shit-and-giggles that the MP5SD's remain in inventory by everybody who still does serious sneaky sneaky stuff ? 9x19 subsonic is a comparatively minor velocity loss that doesn't affect lethality trajectory at the usual range it's used (0 out to about 100 meters)

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Whoa, slow down there sherlock.

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

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Originally Posted by RazoR

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

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Originally Posted by RazoR

Outside of russia, maybe.

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Something, something, low quality Russian equipment.

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Something, something, needlessly decadent American equipment.

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Yes, that stainless steel. So decadent. Seriously, have you ever actually fired a firearm with a suppressor? I realize you're an internet expert, but do you have any actual experience with them?

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Well it ain't stamped and then you have some aluminum and even titan when you can't figure out how to drop weight off your machined monstrosities.

I actually forgot what we are arguing about here. You do concur that tactical supressors are a crutch for low-impulse cartridge guns, right?

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>Complains about decadence
>"Just make them out of titanium"

And no, I'd not agree with that at all.

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

>Complains about decadence
>"Just make them out of titanium"

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If making firearms with titanium isn't decadent i don't know what is.

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Originally Posted by RazoR

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

>Complains about decadence
>"Just make them out of titanium"

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If making firearms with titanium isn't decadent i don't know what is.

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Having some of the worlds largest known deposits of titanium and not using them for firearms

A bit over the top but quite interesting video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=4rv2Z-xZNwI

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Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin

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Originally Posted by RazoR

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

>Complains about decadence
>"Just make them out of titanium"

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If making firearms with titanium isn't decadent i don't know what is.

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Having some of the worlds largest known deposits of titanium and not using them for firearms

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Accidentally sold them to the Americans for SR-71 :troll:

Russia stronk

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Originally Posted by Paradox

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Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin

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Originally Posted by RazoR

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

>Complains about decadence
>"Just make them out of titanium"

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If making firearms with titanium isn't decadent i don't know what is.

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Having some of the worlds largest known deposits of titanium and not using them for firearms

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Accidentally sold them to the Americans for SR-71 :troll:

Russia stronk

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That whole thing is really quite an interesting story

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Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin

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Originally Posted by Paradox

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Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin

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Originally Posted by RazoR

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

>Complains about decadence
>"Just make them out of titanium"

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If making firearms with titanium isn't decadent i don't know what is.

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Having some of the worlds largest known deposits of titanium and not using them for firearms

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Accidentally sold them to the Americans for SR-71 :troll:

Russia stronk

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That whole thing is really quite an interesting story

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Link?

Curious

talking about subs~~~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5MmtqiQuA0

there is an additional bullet type to two of the usual suspects (steel core and hardened steel core/tip) - aluminium-tipped anti-ricochet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=66&v=VI4NZW8q6nU

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Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin

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Originally Posted by RazoR

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

>Complains about decadence
>"Just make them out of titanium"

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If making firearms with titanium isn't decadent i don't know what is.

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Having some of the worlds largest known deposits of titanium and not using them for firearms

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Decadence, comrade.

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Originally Posted by XenosisMk4

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Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin

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Originally Posted by Paradox

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Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin

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Originally Posted by RazoR

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Originally Posted by Dianeces

>Complains about decadence
>"Just make them out of titanium"

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If making firearms with titanium isn't decadent i don't know what is.

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Having some of the worlds largest known deposits of titanium and not using them for firearms

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Accidentally sold them to the Americans for SR-71 :troll:

Russia stronk

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That whole thing is really quite an interesting story

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Link?

Curious

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https://www.cia.gov/library/center-f...1a01p_0001.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofZnarVq8pw

this shit is amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHbqHx3TLBE

just needs a suppressor and its perfect.