Gun Thread (AK appreciation)

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Originally Posted by Tellenta

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Originally Posted by Wrack

So I finally bit the bullet and joined the ranks of men who own guns a while back. Got a 10/22 and tech sights, paid out the nose for ammo online, and went to an appleseed. Didn't make rifleman, but I shot a 198 (out of 250 possible; rifleman is 210) and saw where I needed to improve, so I've signed up for another in a few weeks and hope to get the patch this time around.

Now to convince the g/f that AR-15s aren't the devil...

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The scoring confuses me. I always made expert when i played army. Not sure what scale you are on.

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US Army scoring/training isn't that hot TBH. We've continually cut back on the requirements for our riflemen, starting with the introduction of the draft in WWII (Can't take six months to train guys to hit out to 1km when you need them on the front in six weeks.) and continuing through the Vietnam War and the introduction of the M-16. If you're interested, there's a good white paper on it you can read here (PDF).

-O

Don't need to know how to aim if all you are going to do is lay suppressive fire until the airstrike hits

Necro: I can't be arsed to read through the autism...

9mm pistol recommendation? Want it for cheap but decent range firing on occasion (Yay cheap 9mm ammo). Budget is sufficient that I don't have to buy a used glock out of a trunk.

FNX-9 or S&W M&P both seem legit. I'm not looking to use it for concealed carry (I'd get a .40 for that).

The CZ-75 SP-01 has gotten top marks in several top lists in the brief research I did, but appears to be slightly more expensive... is it worth it?

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Originally Posted by Tyrus Tenebros

Necro: I can't be arsed to read through the autism...

9mm pistol recommendation? Want it for cheap but decent range firing on occasion (Yay cheap 9mm ammo). Budget is sufficient that I don't have to buy a used glock out of a trunk.

FNX-9 or S&W M&P both seem legit. I'm not looking to use it for concealed carry (I'd get a .40 for that).

The CZ-75 SP-01 has gotten top marks in several top lists in the brief research I did, but appears to be slightly more expensive... is it worth it?

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Pistols are something you should "try on" like a pair of shoes before you buy. Go handle a bunch, pick out the models that feel right in your hands, and then do research on those models.

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo

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Originally Posted by Tyrus Tenebros

Necro: I can't be arsed to read through the autism...

9mm pistol recommendation? Want it for cheap but decent range firing on occasion (Yay cheap 9mm ammo). Budget is sufficient that I don't have to buy a used glock out of a trunk.

FNX-9 or S&W M&P both seem legit. I'm not looking to use it for concealed carry (I'd get a .40 for that).

The CZ-75 SP-01 has gotten top marks in several top lists in the brief research I did, but appears to be slightly more expensive... is it worth it?

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Pistols are something you should "try on" like a pair of shoes before you buy. Go handle a bunch, pick out the models that feel right in your hands, and then do research on those models.

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This. But apart from that, 9mm the CZ75, SIG 226 are both top contenders if you dont want plastic. Then go HK or Glock, aka boom or budget. When you really really want to shoot, Sig P210 are hotcakes.

Well yeah I'd be going in to pick them up and such (rent to fire would probably get expensive) but just wanted to make sure there weren't a lot of left field options or I was on the wrong track.

I'll probably get out and heft:
FNX-9
CZ 75
Sig P226
S&W M&P

I've fired the S&W before.. it worked as expected (bullets came out the hollow end) but my smaller - framed female companion had jamming issues related to a light trigger squeeze, which I found odd (it worked perfectly for my pull)

I've quite enjoyed the Sig's I've shot; certainly more so than the Glocks & Beretta's I've tried.

Walther PPQ
FNP-9 or FNS-9
Glock 19

Check out Nutnfancy's review on the PPQ - it speaks to all three of those guns.

Personally I have a Glock 19 but would likely get the PPQ if I were starting over.

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Originally Posted by Tyrus Tenebros

I've fired the S&W before.. it worked as expected (bullets came out the hollow end) but my smaller - framed female companion had jamming issues related to a light trigger squeeze, which I found odd (it worked perfectly for my pull)

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What kind of jam? You sure it's trigger related and not wrist related? Sigs, Glocks, and M&Ps are all great guns with a very well known habit of punishing bad shooting form.

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Originally Posted by Tyrus Tenebros

Well yeah I'd be going in to pick them up and such (rent to fire would probably get expensive) but just wanted to make sure there weren't a lot of left field options or I was on the wrong track.

I'll probably get out and heft:
FNX-9
CZ 75
Sig P226
S&W M&P

I've fired the S&W before.. it worked as expected (bullets came out the hollow end) but my smaller - framed female companion had jamming issues related to a light trigger squeeze, which I found odd (it worked perfectly for my pull)

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I'm going to plug the M&P. Proud owner of an APEX FSS'd M&P 45 and loving it. If you are willing to spend SIG money, get a M&P and put an APEX FSS trigger https://apextactical.com/store/produ...php?pid54.html (Curved trigger) or https://apextactical.com/store/produ...php?pid87.html (Flat trigger). Retail you are looking around $700 after install for kit + gun.

Springfield XD 4" Service Model. Had one in .45 and it was a dream to shoot, pretty decently priced as well.

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Originally Posted by Ophichius

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Originally Posted by Tellenta

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Originally Posted by Wrack

So I finally bit the bullet and joined the ranks of men who own guns a while back. Got a 10/22 and tech sights, paid out the nose for ammo online, and went to an appleseed. Didn't make rifleman, but I shot a 198 (out of 250 possible; rifleman is 210) and saw where I needed to improve, so I've signed up for another in a few weeks and hope to get the patch this time around.

Now to convince the g/f that AR-15s aren't the devil...

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The scoring confuses me. I always made expert when i played army. Not sure what scale you are on.

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US Army scoring/training isn't that hot TBH. We've continually cut back on the requirements for our riflemen, starting with the introduction of the draft in WWII (Can't take six months to train guys to hit out to 1km when you need them on the front in six weeks.) and continuing through the Vietnam War and the introduction of the M-16. If you're interested, there's a good white paper on it you can read here (PDF).

-O

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aFTER A QUICK PERUSAL IT WAS LESS About poor marksmanship training and more about the under performance of the 5.56 round at 500m+. Which is a no shit Sherlock statement. You can spend a decade training soldiers to hit a target at 1km with zero success with the m16. You're supposed to be an armchair general you faggot sort your shit.

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Originally Posted by Tyrus Tenebros

Well yeah I'd be going in to pick them up and such (rent to fire would probably get expensive) but just wanted to make sure there weren't a lot of left field options or I was on the wrong track.

I'll probably get out and heft:
FNX-9
CZ 75
Sig P226
S&W M&P

I've fired the S&W before.. it worked as expected (bullets came out the hollow end) but my smaller - framed female companion had jamming issues related to a light trigger squeeze, which I found odd (it worked perfectly for my pull)

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try a sig sp2022. It feels amazing and runs around the $400 mark. I personally ended going with a p226, but would have been just as happy with the sp2022.

If you want something similar to a Beretta, try a stoeger cougar, which also runs around the $400 mark, and is pretty much a Beretta cougar in every aspect but name.

also, some areas will let you rent guns, and if you decide to purchase, they will apply the cost of the rental toward your purchase. might be a good idea to seek one out once you have narrowed down your options.

but overall, +1 on feel it before you buy it. all the praise and good reviews in the world will count for nothing if a gun just doesn't feel right in your hand.

Not necessarily in this order

S&W M&P9 - this is the hot shit with LEO's. Smooth recoil from long slide, ergo is better than a glock.

Sig P226 - Old school but still a proven design and still good. Smoother shooter if you get the SA/DA setup. DAO is shit.

Glock 19 - More compact but no downsides over a 17. If you have big hands then you might want to go with the 17 instead just for comfort factor.

Canik TP9 - Very similar in handling to a Walther P99. At $320 you would think it would fall into the hi-point quality category. Yet I'm still shocked at how well I liked it. One of the guy's at the range has a little over 2k rounds with no issues and all of the reviews have people creaming their pants. Trigger is similar to glock but sharper reset. It's a hammerless SA/DA setup with trigger safety (similar to a glock) which blows a lot of peoples minds since most hammerless designs require them to be DAO. I really want one but I'm already good on handguns and I could be spending the money on more ammo instead.

All of the above are 9mm. Ammo is cheap and the modern hollowpoints mean that their performance have closed the gap on 40S&W's and 45ACP's should you be looking for a home defense gun. I want to recommend the CZ but that damn slide is thin and awkward to rack when doing reload drills. I also wasn't a big fan of the trigger on the sig sp2022 but I haven't put more than a box (50) of rounds through one. FNX? It's a P226 with a polymer lower and $100 more expensive.

Might as well just post this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcV7l4AjeXk

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Originally Posted by OrangeAfroMan

Might as well just post this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcV7l4AjeXk

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There's no way I'm watching a guy in surplus camo with a gear complex tell me about a gun for 30 minutes.

He knows his stuff *shrug*

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Originally Posted by Tyrus Tenebros

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Originally Posted by OrangeAfroMan

Might as well just post this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcV7l4AjeXk

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There's no way I'm watching a guy in surplus camo with a gear complex tell me about a gun for 30 minutes.

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How about an old guy with a gear complex?

http://youtu.be/D_QhiTa-7OA

Personally, I'd go for an H&K VP9 over the PPQ, but by most accounts they are very similar pistols. PPQ may or may not have a slightly better stock trigger and the VP9 feels better in the hand, especially with the interchangeable grip panels.

Also this (CMMG MK47) is neat:
http://i.imgur.com/t1ELYPh.jpg

Wassat lassie? 7,62x39 direct impingement rifle?

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...s/4/46/RK.jpeg

loled @ nail hangers

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Originally Posted by illusionalsgcty

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Originally Posted by Tyrus Tenebros

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Originally Posted by OrangeAfroMan

Might as well just post this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcV7l4AjeXk

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There's no way I'm watching a guy in surplus camo with a gear complex tell me about a gun for 30 minutes.

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How about an old guy with a gear complex?

http://youtu.be/D_QhiTa-7OA

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Old guy and new guy with complexes with the TP9. Everyone has complexes. But they've reviewed pretty much every gun mentioned here at some point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCaPTbHN_u4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93-DJbuBUEA

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Originally Posted by Razor

Wassat lassie? 7,62x39 direct impingement rifle?

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Surprised myself. Everyone was doing short stroke pistons lately and It's odd that they went DI with a lower pressure round like the 7.62x39. You can see the gas port through the keymod and how they had to set it back pretty far just to have enough gas to cycle.