Mission Accomplished!

[Tyrus Tenebros]

3/10

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stuff

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tTGDNFapfWA/THsIVAVSqTI/AAAAAAAAABY/bU6OtPo0uWE/s1600/U_MAD_obama.JPG

No. Just disappointed.
I mean, look at you.
http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac23/aristokraten/fullmetaljacket-1.jpg

[helgur]

stuff
No. Just disappointed.
I mean, look at you.
http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac23/aristokraten/fullmetaljacket-1.jpg

Now, now there is no reason to go around pointing fingers at everyone

[helgur]

doublepost fail /o\ I need mod powers so I can mod myself

[TimMc]

Giving everyone mod powers would fix everything.

[Tyrus Tenebros]

Giving everyone mod powers would fix everything.If only the posters had a banhammer?

[Fuggin]

I am so tired of bleeding heart pansies all up in arms about shooting him unarmed. Go take your tree hugging, flower sniffing, hand-holding fantasies to Disney World.

Quotin dis. I played this on full blast when I heard the news.

[youtube]YZdJRDpLHbw[/ youtube]

I did too and I am a Liberal heh.

umad stuff

:obama:

[Spaztick]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tTGDNFapfWA/THsIVAVSqTI/AAAAAAAAABY/bU6OtPo0uWE/s1600/U_MAD_obama.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tTGDNFapfWA/THsIVAVSqTI/AAAAAAAAABY/bU6OtPo0uWE/s1600/U_MAD_obama.JPGhttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tTGDNFapfWA/THsIVAVSqTI/AAAAAAAAABY/bU6OtPo0uWE/s1600/U_MAD_obama.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tTGDNFapfWA/THsIVAVSqTI/AAAAAAAAABY/bU6OtPo0uWE/s1600/U_MAD_obama.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tTGDNFapfWA/THsIVAVSqTI/AAAAAAAAABY/bU6OtPo0uWE/s1600/U_MAD_obama.JPGhttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tTGDNFapfWA/THsIVAVSqTI/AAAAAAAAABY/bU6OtPo0uWE/s1600/U_MAD_obama.JPG

[Reed Tiburon]

I am so tired of bleeding heart pansies all up in arms about shooting him unarmed. Go take your tree hugging, flower sniffing, hand-holding fantasies to Disney World.

Quotin dis. I played this on full blast when I heard the news.

[youtube:3hbxj6uo]YZdJRDpLHbw[/youtube:3hbxj6uo]

I did too and I am a Liberal heh.

All 3 of you are fucking stupid. The "I don't think we had the right to kill Osama" crowd and the "Drink a PBR cuz we killed Osama, man!" crowd are equally :facepalm:

1. Celebrating by frat party the death of a man whose killing was likely purely symbolic, as his most wanted status prevented him from planning anything beyond what to have for dinner: STUPID. Celebrate when you've done something that will impact the world, like actually stopping a terrorist plot for example. When you do celebrate, show you know the difference between making hard choices that save/end lives and winning a superbowl. It's an immature celebration of a basically irellevant event. Those who plot terrorism will chug on without him as they have been for nearly a decade, and killing him doesn't bring a single lost soul back. Somehow what should be somber reflection on the price paid has been cancelled and replaced with Beer Pong. :facepalm:

2. Complaining about the legality of Osama's unarmed killing and never having posted anything during years of predator drone strikes in pakistan, occaisonally killing civilians: STUPID. If you're doing to come out and suddenly take the idealistic high ground, to do so only when someone with name recognition gets whacked is at best hiding under a rock, at worst downright hypocritical and opportunistic. The sad thing is that it's a legitimate question, just much too little too late, and wrong guy to bring it up anyway. Of all the unarmed people we've killed in the last decade, Osama is the last one in the entire long list in terms of sympathy.

3. Thinking the US even cares about legality of much of anything after 10-20 years of holding various people without trial (including citizens), torturing random people outside the US to sidestep legality, and as of last year, ordering extrajudicial killings of american citizens: STUPID. So far we seem to have done it to mostly the right people, but if you're concerned there aren't legal safegards against abuse of power, you're at least EIGHT YEARS too late, if not much more.

4. Thinking an extrajudicial killing is ever justified, no matter how many people killed: STUPID. Sinking to that level when the going gets tough just shows that the true image of justice for so many people is not "blind justice" with her scales, but Hamurabi with a knife. America wants so badly to be a beacon who shows the ideals of justice and freedom look like an act like in the modern world. Every time we abandon those ideals to kill someone we don't like where we want, when we want, it tarnishes not just our own reputation, but in fact that of the very ideals we claim to be upholding.

Personally I have accepted the extralegal status of almost the entire war on terror as a fact to be lived with, and I'm glad to see DevGru finally can move on to stalking someone else (I'm sure we have plenty of actually _active_ terrorists to sic them on, so that's good.), and I'm disappointed to see my fellow citizens still don't know how to deal with anything in a mature fashion.

1. Fuck off tbh

2. umad?

3. :obama:

[Reed Tiburon]

[youtube:3srl6of4]xoD8Op7iL7M[/youtube:3srl6of4]

[helgur]

4. I'm disappointed to see my fellow citizens still don't know how to deal with anything in a mature fashion.

I'm not a fellow citizen, if you are referring to U.S citizenship. So I'll take the liberty to say:

[spoiler:25gt3lbd]http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac23/aristokraten/president-obama-umad2-600x389.jpg[/spoiler:25gt3lbd]

[Herschel Yamamoto]

2. Complaining about the legality of Osama's unarmed killing: STUPID.

4. Thinking an extrajudicial killing is ever justified, no matter how many people killed: STUPID.

:psyduck:

[XenosisReaper]

Rabblerabblerabble... FUCKYEAH HEADSHOT!!!1!!! pewpewpewpew...



It's a conspiracy, he was mummified since December '01...



MURDERERS...



rabblerabblerabble...



Please, did anyone think about the children?

yeah that guy who fucked a 13 year old transexual

My ears are burning... (u mad) :companioncube:

[Lusulpher]

http://i.imgur.com/V3fvr.jpg

that is literally dumb

and go do some fucking mixing

How is that dumb? =/

It isn't. Entrox is nervous about this Obama legacy lingering until his 2nd re-election.


I was going to wait till they released the pics, but that's a CIA vs. Obama issue now...so...yeah...
I'm gonna post my notes about all this in my old thread. This one is not worthy enough.

Nice meme though, I needed/deserved something stronger than popcorn, I hate popcorn.

[Rodj Blake]

Breaking news!

Irish special forces have stormed Debenhams

They heard that Summer Bed Linen was on the third floor

[Kanv]

how crazy are the conspiracies about the body being dumped?

http://i.imgur.com/c6zxU.png

[TimMc]

That image has already been posted, but its a good one.

[Irion]

I am so tired of bleeding heart pansies all up in arms about shooting him unarmed. Go take your tree hugging, flower sniffing, hand-holding fantasies to Disney World.

Quotin dis. I played this on full blast when I heard the news.

[youtube:1yk7t0xi]YZdJRDpLHbw[/youtube:1yk7t0xi]


The theme song from a film lampooning American Jingoism?

[Reed Tiburon]

I am so tired of bleeding heart pansies all up in arms about shooting him unarmed. Go take your tree hugging, flower sniffing, hand-holding fantasies to Disney World.

Quotin dis. I played this on full blast when I heard the news.

[youtube:3jdt6ned]YZdJRDpLHbw[/youtube:3jdt6ned]


The theme song from a film lampooning American Jingoism?
hurr do you guys not get the joke??

[Irion]

I am so tired of bleeding heart pansies all up in arms about shooting him unarmed. Go take your tree hugging, flower sniffing, hand-holding fantasies to Disney World.

Quotin dis. I played this on full blast when I heard the news.

[youtube:5z71g861]YZdJRDpLHbw[/youtube:5z71g861]


The theme song from a film lampooning American Jingoism?
hurr do you guys not get the joke??
No thats why I phrased my post as a question. Is TimMC trying to subtly make fun of Fuggin?

[Cool09]

I am so tired of bleeding heart pansies all up in arms about shooting him unarmed. Go take your tree hugging, flower sniffing, hand-holding fantasies to Disney World.

Quotin dis. I played this on full blast when I heard the news.

[youtube:3n9ssf7c]YZdJRDpLHbw[/youtube:3n9ssf7c]


The theme song from a film lampooning American Jingoism?
hurr do you guys not get the joke??
No thats why I phrased my post as a question. Is TimMC trying to subtly make fun of Fuggin?

Holy overanalyze batman.

Sometimes you have to take a FUCK YEAH at face value.

[Raine Woot]

Yeah, when that movie came out most americans who heard the song just took it to mean america fuck yeah without ever knowing it's from a movie satirizing exactly what we're celebrating. A lot of us who also saw the movie seem to prefer the message of "fuck yeah go us" and ignore the context. It's just sort of an extra lol and/or facepalm for those who thought about it for more than a second.

[James Snowscoran]

Much like Springsteen's Born in the USA, which apparently also got a spike on the radio playlists after Osama kicked the bucket.

[walrus]

explaining the joke etc.

[Rudolf Miller]

thread quality massively down due to lack of imagines and excessive pointless debate

my original thread was better :facepalm:

[fffuuu]

Much like Springsteen's Born in the USA, which apparently also got a spike on the radio playlists after Osama kicked the bucket.

when people use that song in a patriotic manner it makes me raaaaaaaage soooooo muuuuuuch.


thread quality massively down due to lack of imagines and excessive pointless debate

my original thread was better :facepalm:
:obama:

[Spaztick]

I haven't seen it but was that movie parodying Thunderbirds as well? That would be funny seeing as it was a British show.

[Herschel Yamamoto]

Yeah, when that movie came out most americans who heard the song just took it to mean america fuck yeah without ever knowing it's from a movie satirizing exactly what we're celebrating. A lot of us who also saw the movie seem to prefer the message of "fuck yeah go us" and ignore the context. It's just sort of an extra lol and/or facepalm for those who thought about it for more than a second.

I'm well aware that it's at least 90% satire, but there are times you just don't care.


I haven't seen it but was that movie parodying Thunderbirds as well? That would be funny seeing as it was a British show.

Not really - it wasn't a parody of Thunderbirds, just a ripoff.

[Dorvil Barranis]

Parody? What is this parody you speak of? The movie is about how awesome USA is, and all sorts of cool things blow up whenever we arrive. What could be a parody?

[Frug]

Yeah, when that movie came out most americans who heard the song just took it to mean america fuck yeah without ever knowing it's from a movie satirizing exactly what we're celebrating. A lot of us who also saw the movie seem to prefer the message of "fuck yeah go us" and ignore the context. It's just sort of an extra lol and/or facepalm for those who thought about it for more than a second.
Everyone I know knows it's a parody, and I use it both satirically and in the self reflective not satirical satirical way.

And I'm not American.

but either you hang around idiots or you can assume people know you're both cheering and kidding at the same time.

[Al Simmons]

So you know how I was kinda struggling to get my point across in the other thread? Yeah well this guy pretty much sums it up perfectly for me. Read it.

http://lhote.blogspot.com/2011/05/forever-war.html

[Haffrage]

So you know how I was kinda struggling to get my point across in the other thread? Yeah well this guy pretty much sums it up perfectly for me. Read it.

http://lhote.blogspot.com/2011/05/forever-war.html
Blablabla down with america, got it Mr. Terrorist.

[Al Simmons]

So you know how I was kinda struggling to get my point across in the other thread? Yeah well this guy pretty much sums it up perfectly for me. Read it.

http://lhote.blogspot.com/2011/05/forever-war.html
Blablabla down with america, got it Mr. Terrorist.

You mad? He's not.

http://images.forbes.com/images/2001/09/14/osama_bin_laden1_250x325.jpg

[Haffrage]

[quote="Al Simmons":26uw4xtd]So you know how I was kinda struggling to get my point across in the other thread? Yeah well this guy pretty much sums it up perfectly for me. Read it.

http://lhote.blogspot.com/2011/05/forever-war.html
Blablabla down with america, got it Mr. Terrorist.

You mad? He's not.

http://images.forbes.com/images/2001/09/14/osama_bin_laden1_250x325.jpg[/quote:26uw4xtd]
He's not anything anymore :obama:

[Fachiri]

He's not anything anymore :obama:

Fish food. :obama:

[James Snowscoran]

needs moar osama smiley

[walrus]

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/27500/Osama-bin-Laden-27573.jpg

[fig]

Osama sure has some feminine bangs.

[Destoration]

I like his hat. Too bad there's NO BALLOONS HATS IN HELL graaaaaaaarrrg! Where's a Team America smilie :!:

[Reed Tiburon]

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/05/05 ... al-dog-1-5 (http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/05/05/050511-news-seal-dog-1-5)

we got war dogs with titanium fangs. what about you terrorists?
:obama:

[Tellenta]

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/05/05/050511-news-seal-dog-1-5

we got war dogs with titanium fangs. what about you terrorists?
:obama:

They got Camel MLRS

[Aurora148]

http://pic.phyrefile.com/g/gr/grrelish/2011/05/05/attachment.php_attachmentid_90723_d_1304609941.jpg

[Synapse]

So you know how I was kinda struggling to get my point across in the other thread? Yeah well this guy pretty much sums it up perfectly for me. Read it.

http://lhote.blogspot.com/2011/05/forever-war.html

Welcome to the club. Not many people here. Probably won't ever be.

[helgur]

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/05/05/050511-news-seal-dog-1-5

we got war dogs with titanium fangs. what about you terrorists?
:obama:

Wait, what. They are doing high altitude parachuting.... with dogs? That can't be right

[Larkonis Trassler]

Talk Abbottabad place to hide.

[Kumquat]

http://pic.phyrefile.com/g/gr/grrelish/2011/05/05/attachment.php_attachmentid_90723_d_1304609941.jpg

That is awesome.

:obama:

[Synapse]

2. Complaining about the legality of Osama's unarmed killing: STUPID.

4. Thinking an extrajudicial killing is ever justified, no matter how many people killed: STUPID.

:psyduck:
Read the whole post rather than just the first sentences please.

#2 is about complaining now, after 10 years of actually innocent people dying under the same reasoning used to kill Osama. If you only start worrying about legality now, you're just being a moral opportunist.

#4 is about how #2 is probably a correct thing to be concerned over, just that you should have started years before Osama.

To demand that we stick to our principles in all things, (including when faced with mass murderers) really takes balls, and forces you to think clearly about what you really stand for.

I'll even put in an apology here for those who are only reading this thread for the obama meme pictures.

[sassy b]

http://i.imgur.com/FLEkg.gif

[Frug]

So you know how I was kinda struggling to get my point across in the other thread? Yeah well this guy pretty much sums it up perfectly for me. Read it.

http://lhote.blogspot.com/2011/05/forever-war.html

So what you're saying is you're a whiny teenager who is distraught over this whole thing and (hopefully) when you grow a little bit older will look back and be embarrassed about your own whiny ranting?

Gotcha.

Seriously that sounds like the kind of grandiose wanking I would have written in my journal a decade ago. It's very cute. But seriously, stop complaining about human nature, get over it, realize that killing him was good, and stop the whining jesus god. There are some lines in there that eventually made me stop reading.

[Shiodome]

skimmed the article, and it's a bit overwrought. but i too find the public response and behaviour distasteful, because it is. (30 year old meat eating conservative checkin' in).

[Frug]

skimmed the article, and it's a bit overwrought. but i too find the public response and behaviour distasteful, because it is. (30 year old meat eating conservative checkin' in).
Well you do still live in ~america~ so it shouldn't really come as a surprise that there's a bit of the fox news and hick behavior going on.

I'm pretty sure in here we're just having fun with some animated gifs though.

[Lana Torrin]

So what you're saying is you're a whiny teenager who is distraught over this whole thing and (hopefully) when you grow a little bit older will look back and be embarrassed about your own whiny ranting?

The hint to what it is about is in the title. I realize the trolling is strong in this thread, but for a fucking second think about what has happened. I mean truly think about it.

[Reed Tiburon]

So you know how I was kinda struggling to get my point across in the other thread? Yeah well this guy pretty much sums it up perfectly for me. Read it.

http://lhote.blogspot.com/2011/05/forever-war.html

So what you're saying is you're a whiny teenager who is distraught over this whole thing and (hopefully) when you grow a little bit older will look back and be embarrassed about your own whiny ranting?

Gotcha.

Seriously that sounds like the kind of grandiose wanking I would have written in my journal a decade ago. It's very cute. But seriously, stop complaining about human nature, get over it, realize that killing him was good, and stop the whining jesus god. There are some lines in there that eventually made me stop reading.

Yeah, last time I read this I got about 4 paragraphs in before rolling my eyes. This time I read about half the article, and christ

Unity is just conformity wearing a nicer dress. And I have to say to Conor at this moment what I had to say, after five and three quarter hours of weakness, on September 11th: I don't want to be unified with you. Not in this. Not behind the righteousness of violence. Not in the orgies of nationalism. Not in anything.what a goddamn jerkoff :psyduck:

[Haffrage]

So what you're saying is you're a whiny teenager who is distraught over this whole thing and (hopefully) when you grow a little bit older will look back and be embarrassed about your own whiny ranting?

The hint to what it is about is in the title. I realize the trolling is strong in this thread, but for a fucking second think about what has happened. I mean truly think about it.
We are. We just aren't bleeding hearts for sociopathic mass murderers.

[Reed Tiburon]

So what you're saying is you're a whiny teenager who is distraught over this whole thing and (hopefully) when you grow a little bit older will look back and be embarrassed about your own whiny ranting?

The hint to what it is about is in the title. I realize the trolling is strong in this thread, but for a fucking second think about what has happened. I mean truly think about it.
>implying that people who don't feel bad about killing osama just aren't thinking, darnit
>feeling quite certain of your superiority to these poor non-thinkers

every great act of evil in the history of humanity, every one, was committed by people who were certain>cognitive dissonance :psyduck:

sorry for trolling
sorry i'm not sorry
but srsly

[Frug]

So what you're saying is you're a whiny teenager who is distraught over this whole thing and (hopefully) when you grow a little bit older will look back and be embarrassed about your own whiny ranting?

The hint to what it is about is in the title. I realize the trolling is strong in this thread, but for a fucking second think about what has happened. I mean truly think about it.
Holy crap you're right. I haven't really thought about it. I mean really thought about it.

[Frug]

Unity is just conformity wearing a nicer dress. And I have to say to Conor at this moment what I had to say, after five and three quarter hours of weakness, on September 11th: I don't want to be unified with you. Not in this. Not behind the righteousness of violence. Not in the orgies of nationalism. Not in anything.what a goddamn jerkoff :psyduck:
Grandiose, melodramatic, self righteous wanking befitting a teenager who will hopefully grow out of it later? That's really what it sounds like to me. I'm picturing a very emo guy who wears black and doesn't have a normal friend to keep him grounded.

[Herschel Yamamoto]

So what you're saying is you're a whiny teenager who is distraught over this whole thing and (hopefully) when you grow a little bit older will look back and be embarrassed about your own whiny ranting?

The hint to what it is about is in the title. I realize the trolling is strong in this thread, but for a fucking second think about what has happened. I mean truly think about it.

You mean the part where we offed the most notorious murderer in the last half-century? Yeah, I thought about it - truly! - for two seconds, then raised a glass to the people who killed him. I feel exactly the same way about this that I felt watching Saddam Hussein's neck snap. Some people's greatest contribution to the world is dying an unpleasant death pour encourager les autres. Truly think about that.

[Kumquat]

So what you're saying is you're a whiny teenager who is distraught over this whole thing and (hopefully) when you grow a little bit older will look back and be embarrassed about your own whiny ranting?

The hint to what it is about is in the title. I realize the trolling is strong in this thread, but for a fucking second think about what has happened. I mean truly think about it.


Austrailian opinions don't count.
:obama:

[Lusulpher]

Much like Springsteen's Born in the USA, which apparently also got a spike on the radio playlists after Osama kicked the bucket.

Now that's funny. I sang it at work, and lol'd when it I remembered the line about 'sent me to kill the Yellow Man'...

Good stuff.

Also, 3-middle aged women were joking about going postal at their jobs because some committee was presenting a plan to keep their wages frozen. "After keeping our pay down for 3 years already!".
They might have been school teachers...

I was tempted to inform them of the Bush tax extensions costing National revenue 700bil, or the subsidies to oil companies that could pay them lost wages, or ANYTHING IN THE LAST 20 years...
But I just smugged.

Viva la Revolucion! :obama:

Also, who the fuck pays 40USD per drapery panel? Should I get into the textile business, this Cashier thing sucks balls.

[Wall]

People who don't work as cashiers

[Lana Torrin]

So what you're saying is you're a whiny teenager who is distraught over this whole thing and (hopefully) when you grow a little bit older will look back and be embarrassed about your own whiny ranting?

The hint to what it is about is in the title. I realize the trolling is strong in this thread, but for a fucking second think about what has happened. I mean truly think about it.


Austrailian opinions don't count.
:obama:

:tumbleweed:

[Melichor]

I thought this thread was for epic pictures, while the other thread was about :morals:

[Haffrage]

I thought this thread was for epic pictures, while the other thread was about :morals:
it was but then the bleeding hearts/vaginas got blood all over everything

[mitch]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13304809




Documents found at Osama Bin Laden's Pakistan home suggest he was planning new attacks on the US, including on the 9/11 anniversary

[TZeer]

Less faggotry, more gifs
:slaver:

[Kumquat]

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/user_photos/1204889/e26a35ba65814df8f3f07636dd444a3a_rectangle_xlarge. jpg?44cb53da

http://www.disclose.tv/files/photos/24699bced4aeb7cL.jpg

http://reesehayes.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/barack_obama_matrix.jpg

[Dale]

gz on posting the worst pics yet.

[James Snowscoran]

yanks hurfing and blurfing ITT (not big surprise)

still funny to see them raging at :bleedingheartvagina:

[Lusulpher]

So...when is 'The War on Terrrer' over?

Or is this going to be like The War on DrugsTM*? :obama:



*registered by Republican Puppets Inc.

[Haffrage]

yanks hurfing and blurfing ITT (not big surprise)

still funny to see them raging at :bleedingheartvagina:
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/9202/monoclepony.png

[dr axler]

oh god this thread devolved...



Why do you assume we need legal authority to do anything on foreign soil? We're fuckin the goddamned UNITED MOTHER FUCKIN STATES OF THIS HERE AMERICA
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wAxDMfEGhoY/TI6y4IuY8aI/AAAAAAAAAS8/NCjMIHtSW0E/s1600/Not+Sure+if+serious.jpg

anyhow, please wave to me when you come free me from my oppressive free healthcare...




It'll be fun when America is China's bitch and they pull the same kind of stuff you do now. The crying will be heard from fucking mars.

At the height of the roman empire nobody would even think about it one day being gone. I mean the fuckers had all of the known world under them, how could an empire like that ever fall?
but it did. And it happened time and time again with empires that followed. It will happen to America and it will happen to the next guy. I am just not sure it will be cool to live during the transition...in or outside of America, god only knows how that will go down...meh, we will probably all be dead by then
and if not, try to make as much cash as possible :D

[James Snowscoran]

yanks hurfing and blurfing ITT (not big surprise)

still funny to see them raging at :bleedingheartvagina:
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/9202/monoclepony.png
http://i.imgur.com/81gtL.png

[Wall]

America might fall to China and become a bitter former empire like most European countries, but for us that just means being #2 instead of #1. Sure as hell beats not even being on the podium.

[Mendolorian Girl]

America might fall to China and become a bitter former empire like most European countries, but for us that just means being #2 instead of #1. Sure as hell beats not even being on the podium.

fuck me, that's a whole new class of bitter :s

I might fall to Wall and become a bitter poaster like most FHC'ers, but for me that just means being #2 shitpoaster instead of #1. Sure as hell beats not even being on the podium.

[Shiodome]

skimmed the article, and it's a bit overwrought. but i too find the public response and behaviour distasteful, because it is. (30 year old meat eating conservative checkin' in).
Well you do still live in ~america~ so it shouldn't really come as a surprise that there's a bit of the fox news and hick behavior going on.

I'm pretty sure in here we're just having fun with some animated gifs though.

That's pretty harsh :( I'm British.


America might fall to China and become a bitter former empire like most European countries, but for us that just means being #2 instead of #1. Sure as hell beats not even being on the podium.

If your empire's gonna fall, at least make sure you had a proper empire first huh America? ;) How far did you guys get, a couple of pacific Islands or something... son, am dissapoint *hides from the USA!!USA!! hurfblurf*

[evil edna]

yeah sponsoring some dictators in various shitholes around the world is a piss poor attempt at an empire tbh :monocledowns:

[Shiodome]

what's the point is you can't make them use your flag? :l2empire:

[Kilabi]

They are using their flags tho.
:fire:

[Frug]

America might fall to China and become a bitter former empire like most European countries, but for us that just means being #2 instead of #1. Sure as hell beats not even being on the podium.
Hi. Allow me to introduce myself. I'm India and you're stupid. Welcome to #3.

Hi. We're europe. We've been waiting patiently for you to implode. Welcome to #4.

Hi I'm russia. I stole your software and quietly helped sabotage you. Welcome to #5.

Hello. I'm Canada. For fuck's sake stop collapsing, you're pulling us down!

[helgur]

Violent mass murdering fuckheads have, and always will deserve a good dose of their own medicine. No matter if they wear a tie around the neck or a rag on their head. Just saying.

[Aurora148]

http://i.imgur.com/iT1hP.jpg

[Herschel Yamamoto]

America might fall to China and become a bitter former empire like most European countries, but for us that just means being #2 instead of #1. Sure as hell beats not even being on the podium.
Hi. Allow me to introduce myself. I'm India and you're stupid. Welcome to #3.

Hi. We're europe. We've been waiting patiently for you to implode. Welcome to #4.

Hi I'm russia. I stole your software and quietly helped sabotage you. Welcome to #5.

Hello. I'm Canada. For fuck's sake stop collapsing, you're pulling us down!

Hello, I'm reality. The US is going to be #1 for at least a few more decades yet, you can stop creaming your pants already.

[Al Simmons]

So you know how I was kinda struggling to get my point across in the other thread? Yeah well this guy pretty much sums it up perfectly for me. Read it.

http://lhote.blogspot.com/2011/05/forever-war.html

So what you're saying is you're a whiny teenager who is distraught over this whole thing and (hopefully) when you grow a little bit older will look back and be embarrassed about your own whiny ranting?

Gotcha.

Seriously that sounds like the kind of grandiose wanking I would have written in my journal a decade ago. It's very cute. But seriously, stop complaining about human nature, get over it, realize that killing him was good, and stop the whining jesus god. There are some lines in there that eventually made me stop reading.

I suggest you go support another middle east war. They always work out so well! :freedom:

[Frug]

Hello, I'm reality. The US is going to be #1 for at least a few more decades yet, you can stop creaming your pants already.
Did I say it wouldn't? No I didn't.
Also the fact that you know I'm canadian and you think I'm creaming my pants at the thought of my country being brought down too just shows how your right wing patriotism nature gets in the way of logic.

Give it 30 years or so.

[helgur]

I suggest you go support another middle east war. They always work out so well! :freedom:

So the fact that people think it actually is a good thing the world have been rid of a mass murderer set out to kill innocent people at any opportunity he could get, makes them war mongerers :psyduck: Seriously. And people like you are complaining about the lack of nuances in a debate about this?

[Frug]

I suggest you go support another middle east war. They always work out so well! :freedom:

So the fact that people think it actually is a good thing the world have been rid of a mass murderer set out to kill innocent people at any opportunity he could get, makes them war mongerers :psyduck: Seriously. And people like you are complaining about the lack of nuances in a debate about this?
You're biting. You shouldn't bite that.

It's funny cause i'm being called some kind of war supporter :freedom: guy with the implication of being right wing, at the same time as someone else who actually is a bit of a right wing nutter is accusing me of hoping for the demise of the US like i'm a super leftie or something.

[Larkonis Trassler]

Am I the only one here outside of the US who doesn't actually mind them being on the top spot.

The US is pretty much the best of a rough old bunch at the moment.

[helgur]

If you look at the alternatives, no not really. Also our trade is pretty much tied up to a lot of US imports. Norway for instance do over a billion worth of weapons trade (export) to the US a year, other technology and petroleum. If things get sour in the markets in the US we will get directly impacted. Offcourse the rippleeffects of this will be felt by pretty much everyone, I imagine it will hit EU quite a lot aswell.

[Al Simmons]

I suggest you go support another middle east war. They always work out so well! :freedom:

So the fact that people think it actually is a good thing the world have been rid of a mass murderer set out to kill innocent people at any opportunity he could get, makes them war mongerers :psyduck: Seriously. And people like you are complaining about the lack of nuances in a debate about this?

Al Q killed 3000 people on 9/11. The USA then killed double that number of their own troops and up to a million civilians directly or indirectly through these wars. Do the maths.

[Haffrage]

[quote="Al Simmons":1tdt9ea6]I suggest you go support another middle east war. They always work out so well! :freedom:

So the fact that people think it actually is a good thing the world have been rid of a mass murderer set out to kill innocent people at any opportunity he could get, makes them war mongerers :psyduck: Seriously. And people like you are complaining about the lack of nuances in a debate about this?

Al Q killed 3000 people on 9/11. The USA then killed double that number of their own troops and up to a million civilians directly or indirectly through these wars. Do the maths.[/quote:1tdt9ea6]
Shoulda just left well enough alone

Al, the more you say on this topic the funnier it gets

[Al Simmons]

No but seriously what is the difference? Illegal terrorist attacks/illegal wars and operations...

Whatever that quote is that you had to become the monster to kill it.

[Frug]

[quote="Al Simmons":1wke3hj4]I suggest you go support another middle east war. They always work out so well! :freedom:

So the fact that people think it actually is a good thing the world have been rid of a mass murderer set out to kill innocent people at any opportunity he could get, makes them war mongerers :psyduck: Seriously. And people like you are complaining about the lack of nuances in a debate about this?

Al Q killed 3000 people on 9/11. The USA then killed double that number of their own troops and up to a million civilians directly or indirectly through these wars. Do the maths.
Shoulda just left well enough alone

Al, the more you say on this topic the funnier it gets[/quote:1wke3hj4]
He thinks Iraq was about Al Quaeda. That should say everything.

[Al Simmons]

[quote="Al Simmons":2jc1ec3u]I suggest you go support another middle east war. They always work out so well! :freedom:

So the fact that people think it actually is a good thing the world have been rid of a mass murderer set out to kill innocent people at any opportunity he could get, makes them war mongerers :psyduck: Seriously. And people like you are complaining about the lack of nuances in a debate about this?

Al Q killed 3000 people on 9/11. The USA then killed double that number of their own troops and up to a million civilians directly or indirectly through these wars. Do the maths.
Shoulda just left well enough alone

Al, the more you say on this topic the funnier it gets
He thinks Iraq was about Al Quaeda. That should say everything.[/quote:2jc1ec3u]

:facepalm:

[fffuuu]

No but seriously what is the difference? Illegal terrorist attacks/illegal wars and operations...

Whatever that quote is that you had to become the monster to kill it.

intent.

/one word srs answer :obama:

[Tellenta]

:facepalm:

You forgot that people on FHC switch from broad generalities to specific statements regardless on how consistent they are simply to make their points seem relevant didn't you Al? There is a very good reason this forum is basically shit posts when dealing with real world scenarios. The reason being most people on this forum are to fucking stupid or trollish to be worth the time for an intelligent discussion. So shit post more and critical think less tbh.

[Haffrage]

No but seriously what is the difference? Illegal terrorist attacks/illegal wars and operations...

Whatever that quote is that you had to become the monster to kill it.
I wanted to say "the difference is we won't be flying airplanes into buildings for sport" but instead I'll just go with a popcorn.gif
:popcorn:

[helgur]

Al Q killed 3000 people on 9/11. The USA then killed double that number of their own troops and up to a million civilians directly or indirectly through these wars. Do the maths.

Goes well on the way to prove you can't keep more than a maximum of one thought in your head at any given time.

You don't have to condone the wars the US got embroiled in to think it actually is a good thing that a mass murderer got what he deserved. Ie death by bullet.

[Larkonis Trassler]

I'm pretty sure that everyone here realises that it was never about a chap in a cave (or a 1 million dollar compound, talk Abbottabad place to hide) or WMD, they merely provided a good excuse.

[Frug]

:facepalm:

You forgot that people on FHC switch from broad generalities to specific statements regardless on how consistent they are simply to make their points seem relevant didn't you Al? There is a very good reason this forum is basically shit posts when dealing with real world scenarios. The reason being most people on this forum are to fucking stupid or trollish to be worth the time for an intelligent discussion. So shit post more and critical think less tbh.
If he doesn't believe iraq was about al Quaeda, then why did he lump the iraq war into his argument?

Basically you have two options. Either his argument is so douchy that the best he can do is lump everything the US does into one category of "loluswars" (so every military action, justified or unjustified, can get thrown in for the sake of douchy statistics), or he's actually trying to make some form of a valid point about the cost of attacking al Quaeda, in which case his lumping Iraq into it means he thinks that's the reason for iraq (and not, for example, oil)

Or you could be a retard like him and believe his facepalm.

[Synapse]

or, Frug, you could take the simple mental step of replacing Iraq with Afghanistan, but then you might actually have to address his point, rather than picking around the inconsistencies at the edges.

[Al Simmons]

:facepalm:

You forgot that people on FHC switch from broad generalities to specific statements regardless on how consistent they are simply to make their points seem relevant didn't you Al? There is a very good reason this forum is basically shit posts when dealing with real world scenarios. The reason being most people on this forum are to fucking stupid or trollish to be worth the time for an intelligent discussion. So shit post more and critical think less tbh.
If he doesn't believe iraq was about al Quaeda, then why did he lump the iraq war into his argument?

Basically you have two options. Either his argument is so douchy that the best he can do is lump everything the US does into one category of "loluswars" (so every military action, justified or unjustified, can get thrown in for the sake of douchy statistics), or he's actually trying to make some form of a valid point about the cost of attacking al Quaeda, in which case his lumping Iraq into it means he thinks that's the reason for iraq (and not, for example, oil)

Or you could be a retard like him and believe his facepalm.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=global+war+on+terror

Edit: I better clarify, before you derp about that, I don't believe in it, but that was the stated reason and yes both wars (and other attack in Pakistan) were grouped under the same umbrella by the leaders of them, so.

[Synapse]

No but seriously what is the difference? Illegal terrorist attacks/illegal wars and operations...

Whatever that quote is that you had to become the monster to kill it.

intent.

/one word srs answer :obama:

I dont know if you have this saying in "fffuuuu-land" but what comes to mind for me is: The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Intent is nice in a courtroom for apportioning blame. For judging the success or failure overall of an action? Intent has no place there.

[Tellenta]

:facepalm:

You forgot that people on FHC switch from broad generalities to specific statements regardless on how consistent they are simply to make their points seem relevant didn't you Al? There is a very good reason this forum is basically shit posts when dealing with real world scenarios. The reason being most people on this forum are to fucking stupid or trollish to be worth the time for an intelligent discussion. So shit post more and critical think less tbh.
If he doesn't believe iraq was about al Quaeda, then why did he lump the iraq war into his argument?

Basically you have two options. Either his argument is so douchy that the best he can do is lump everything the US does into one category of "loluswars" (so every military action, justified or unjustified, can get thrown in for the sake of douchy statistics), or he's actually trying to make some form of a valid point about the cost of attacking al Quaeda, in which case his lumping Iraq into it means he thinks that's the reason for iraq (and not, for example, oil)

Or you could be a retard like him and believe his facepalm.

Thank you for proving my point, I'm not going to get in on the debate but I did read the quote chain. Did you? If so what is your validation on making the discussion about one particular when it was an all encompassing discussion before the face palmed statement in question? I am truly curious to see the mindset behind such a person.

[fffuuu]

I dont know if you have this saying in "fffuuuu-land" but what comes to mind for me is: The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Intent is nice in a courtroom for apportioning blame. For judging the success or failure overall of an action? Intent has no place there.

:psyduck:

what was the difference between the United states firebombing and nuking japanese and german civilians in the 1940s, and Hitler gassing jews, gypsies, and other ethnicities, same time period?

what was the difference between the United States locking up Innocent citizens of Japanese ancestry, and the Soviets putting people in camps in Siberia?

intent is the entire argument. it feels like a shitty one, considering the damage done, but not without precedent, good people with good intentions have done this before, and we will march down the gold-plated road to hell again. we're human ffs, we suck, we know it. stop beating the dead horse with shit arguments.

US invasion of Iraq/Astan, does NOT equal 9/11. if you think so, you are literally Hitler.

OBL was after maximum civilian body count. We are after stable countries that will not support people that try to kill civilians over stupid shit. did we whack a bunch of innocent bystanders in the process? yes. do we feel bad about it? yes.

btw, if you want to nominate your country to be world leader in freedom and ponies for a bit, feel free to step up if you think the US is so fucking terrible, get your governments, and the UN together, and go enlist in your countries military, and do something about it. form a coalition and do better.

/thread is Godwin, and has gone shit like the last one. :lock: :lock: :lock:

[Dorvil Barranis]

All praise is due to Allah and may the peace and blessings be upon the Messenger of Allah.

The entire world is congratulating Obama and the US…As for myself, then I congratulate Usama – if what they say is true about his death – for indeed, you have obtained what you desired!

You did not leave your palaces and your wealth behind to go the rugged mountaintops and caves except to attain this ending. I also congratulate all the Mujahideen for indeed your companion was killed with his head held high, not submitting to the enemies of Allah. He died honourably in a time of change and revolution…I ask Allah to accept him from amongst the martyrs.

Having said that, we did differ with him in many issues, such as where the priority of our work should lie, the permissibility of the actions that some who ascribe themselves to him have done in the Muslim world as well as the west such as 9/11 etc. Despite that, I cannot hold myself but to be absolutely certain that he wanted victory for Islam and to restore honour for the Muslims and that he was despised by the enemies of this religion and someone who loved Jihad in the way of Allah, whether he was correct or mistaken in his opinions.

Celebrations are being seen in the west due to his death, but perhaps celebrations are in store in the heavens for his arrival – if the news is true – for Allah (swt) says:

“And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision. Rejoicing in what Allah has bestowed upon them of His bounty, and they receive good tidings about those [to be martyred] after them who have not yet joined them - that there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.” (3:169-170)

Bush explicitly declared his war of crusades and as a result occupied Afghanistan and Iraq for the expensive price of the blood of our martyrs and injured, but despite that the unequivocal reality is that the spirit of Jihad is still alive in the Ummah and that it will not surrender to its enemy…

Indeed for the spirit of Jihad to remain, it sets a heavy cost upon us and this incident has only proven to actualise the promise of the Prophet (saw) who said: “This religion will continue to remain established with a group from the Muslims fighting until the hour is established.” (Muslim), and I consider that the Taliban and those who are fighting with them to be from this group.

Moreover, the assassinations and murders that the US have become so accustomed to that are done in the name of terrorism, that is what they have ended up doing so evidently as if other states have no sovereignty over their own lands!

Let us therefore know the scales the west use in the likes of Gitmo, Abu Ghuraib and the secret prisons in Afghanistan to determine how they understand and implement human rights! Or is it the case that they do not consider Muslims to fall under the species of ‘humans’? And I think that is the case!

A lot of pain and effort did he sacrifice, however it was all done in order to actualise the words of Allah:

“Thus do We expound the revelations that the way of the criminals may be manifest.” (6:55).

So let every person know his standing and the truth of his loyalty.

There remains to be said: the right to resist occupation and for the people to assist in that has been sanctioned by the shariah and even international law. The Muslim nation will not stop due to the death of a person - who had such distinguishing leadership skills in the field of Jihad – their path to realize their freedom and their desire to live by their faith. However we reiterate that it is compulsorily to adhere to the principles of the shariah with regard to the rulings of Jihad. Thus we should not break any covenants, nor mutilate or kill any women or children even if they - the disbelievers - were to do so.

As for them throwing his corpse into the sea as they claim, then this is something that cannot harm him, rather it will only raise his ranks and status by the persmission of Allah. However, what does become apparent by such an incident is the ugly face of America, which knows no sanctity to life or death!

This in reality will only bolster people’s love for him even amongst those who condemned some of his actions. This will also increase their hatred for America even amongst those who were sympathetic towards them due to the sufferings they faced.

Finally, we ask Allah (swt) to accept him from the martyrs and that He accept his good deeds and that He overlooks his mistakes he had.

[Frug]

Thank you for proving my point, I'm not going to get in on the debate but I did read the quote chain. Did you? If so what is your validation on making the discussion about one particular when it was an all encompassing discussion before the face palmed statement in question? I am truly curious to see the mindset behind such a person.
It begins with a link to a mother fucking blog post about fucking killing fucking bin laden in a fucking thread about killing bin laden, followed by him quoting me quoting the fucking blog post about fucking killing fucking bin laden.
And then later he brought up Iraq.

So you had better be trolling me, in which case I will give you fucking props because your stupidity has got me a little riled up now.

[Frug]

/thread is Godwin, and has gone shit like the last one. :lock: :lock: :lock:
You can't get to lock a thread by intentionally enforcing godwin's law.

Also "intent" is not the only difference. There is also context, method of execution, and scope. You're purposefully ignoring relevant differences to make your point.

[Tellenta]

Thank you for proving my point, I'm not going to get in on the debate but I did read the quote chain. Did you? If so what is your validation on making the discussion about one particular when it was an all encompassing discussion before the face palmed statement in question? I am truly curious to see the mindset behind such a person.
It begins with a link to a mother fucking blog post about fucking killing fucking bin laden in a fucking thread about killing bin laden, followed by him quoting me quoting the fucking blog post about fucking killing fucking bin laden.
And then later he brought up Iraq.

So you had better be trolling me, in which case I will give you fucking props because your stupidity has got me a little riled up now.
:obama:

[Frug]

Thank you for proving my point, I'm not going to get in on the debate but I did read the quote chain. Did you? If so what is your validation on making the discussion about one particular when it was an all encompassing discussion before the face palmed statement in question? I am truly curious to see the mindset behind such a person.
It begins with a link to a mother fucking blog post about fucking killing fucking bin laden in a fucking thread about killing bin laden, followed by him quoting me quoting the fucking blog post about fucking killing fucking bin laden.
And then later he brought up Iraq.

So you had better be trolling me, in which case I will give you fucking props because your stupidity has got me a little riled up now.
:obama:
I WILL FIND YOU AND DESTROY YOU FFFFUUU

[Al Simmons]

Thank you for proving my point, I'm not going to get in on the debate but I did read the quote chain. Did you? If so what is your validation on making the discussion about one particular when it was an all encompassing discussion before the face palmed statement in question? I am truly curious to see the mindset behind such a person.
It begins with a link to a mother fucking blog post about fucking killing fucking bin laden in a fucking thread about killing bin laden, followed by him quoting me quoting the fucking blog post about fucking killing fucking bin laden.
And then later he brought up Iraq.

So you had better be trolling me, in which case I will give you fucking props because your stupidity has got me a little riled up now.

Trying to separate the two doesn't make sense. Obviously the events followed one another.

[fffuuu]

/thread is Godwin, and has gone shit like the last one. :lock: :lock: :lock:
You can't get to lock a thread by intentionally enforcing godwin's law.

Also "intent" is not the only difference. There is also context, method of execution, and scope. You're purposefully ignoring relevant differences to make your point.

he declined to argue those points, so I focused on intent. the only thing they were comparing was body count, which is :psyduck:

[Tellenta]

Thank you for proving my point, I'm not going to get in on the debate but I did read the quote chain. Did you? If so what is your validation on making the discussion about one particular when it was an all encompassing discussion before the face palmed statement in question? I am truly curious to see the mindset behind such a person.
It begins with a link to a mother fucking blog post about fucking killing fucking bin laden in a fucking thread about killing bin laden, followed by him quoting me quoting the fucking blog post about fucking killing fucking bin laden.
And then later he brought up Iraq.

So you had better be trolling me, in which case I will give you fucking props because your stupidity has got me a little riled up now.
:obama:
I WILL FIND YOU AND DESTROY YOU FFFFUUU

please watch minute 5:58 to 6:05 as my video response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eQhrgon9qQ

[Frug]

*sobs*

[Frug]

Trying to separate the two doesn't make sense. Obviously the events followed one another.
Your logic: Because one was unjustified, they both are.
My logic: You're stupid.

Your logic: It doesn't make sense to only talk about one war.
My logic: ur stupid

Your logic: Stop mocking me, I'm desperately trying to justif-
My logic: hurrdururhurrr

[Dorvil Barranis]

The killing of Osama bin Ladin, may Allah have mercy on him, if proven to be true, may either be a coincidence or part of a strategic manoeuvre by the US and its allies to justify the adoption of new tactics in their ‘war on terror’ that has clearly proven to be counterproductive. It may be alleged that he was killed a long time ago but the killing was only now announced as a justification for the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan. All of these are possibilities that no one can emphatically confirm, and indeed, there need not be an exertion of effort to confirm or disprove the claims as wisdom dictates that we deal with facts and realities whilst planning for the worst of scenarios.

Whatever the case may be, Osama left this worldly life to meet his Lord who is the ultimate judge. Almighty Allah knows everything about him, his actions, and the conspiracies that surround his life. He knows what Osama did, what he didn’t do, and what we were made to believe that he did. In any case, he died as a Muslim and it is an established part of our Islamic creed that every Muslim, unlike the disbelievers, will eventually enter paradise. According to a number of scholars, the Muslim killed by the enemies of Islam is considered a martyr, regardless of whether he died during combat or simply in a state of non-combative military engagement such as being killed whilst sleeping. Other scholars limit the title of martyr only to those Muslims who are killed during active combat. Whatever the case may be, all scholars have agreed that mistakes made by a Muslim fighter in combat do not deprive him of his rights, whether it be the right of regarding him a martyr or any other Islamic right. The Prophet (peace be upon him) became very angry at his close companion Usamah ibn Zayd when he killed a disbeliever after he had said “there is no God but Allah”. The Prophet furiously repeated, “have you killed him after he said: there is no God but Allah!” However, the Prophet (peace be upon him) continued to appoint Usamah ibn Zayd as the general of the Muslim army and actually appointed him to lead the biggest military expedition that was undertaken during the Prophet’s life.

Any position we adopt must be bound by the guidelines of the Shari’ah and free from emotions and personal whims. We should intend to say (and act upon) what pleases Allah and not what pleases certain individuals, groups or governments. Saddam Hussain, may Allah have mercy on him, was amongst the persons most hated by Muslims having committed many heinous crimes. However, when he was hung he proclaimed: “There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger”. Based upon this, we have no choice but to ask Allah to bestow His mercy upon Saddam as he clearly died a Muslim. Allah informs us that he does not give the courage to any person on his/her deathbed to declare the testimony of faith unless he or she is a true Muslim. Allah says,

“Allah will keep firm those who believe, with the word that stands firm in this world and in the Hereafter. And Allah will cause to go astray those who are Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.), and Allah does what He wills.”

Having said this, I would like to state that although these matters are in agreement with Islamic principles, the application of the principles in relation to certain individuals should not be a cause of fitnah and disunity among Muslims. Unity of Muslims and the purity of their hearts towards each other must be observed regardless of the scale of disagreements between them, as long as the scale of disagreement remains within the bounds of Islam.

Even though we fundamentally disagree with al-Qaeda and we condemn the unjustified killing that is attributed to them, it was very much instigated by the enemies of Islam themselves. In fact, I strongly believe that the presence of al-Qaeda is pleasing to the US especially as it allows the US justification for their crimes. In comparison, any amount of people killed by al-Qaeda has undoubtedly been trebled by the killing sprees of the US in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Gaza and other countries.

It is surprising how this major world Superpower was not only terrorized by a single man walking the face of the earth, but was also terrorized by him even whilst dead. President Obama declared that they would deal with the body of Bin Ladin in accordance with Islamic law and thus they threw it into the sea. This is the so-called respect that the US shows to Islam. In reality, these are the actual morals and values that America really calls for.

Whatever we say, Allah has the final say, and on the day of resurrection the truth will be revealed. Muslims will dwell in the delight of paradise and the disbelievers will be burned in the hellfire forever.

“These two opponents (believers and disbelievers) dispute with each other about their Lord; then as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling water will be poured down over their heads. With it will melt or vanish away what is within their bellies, as well as (their) skins. And for them are hooked rods of iron (to punish them). Every time they seek to get away from it out of anguish, they will be driven back therein, and (it will be) said to them: "Taste the torment of burning!" Truly, Allah will admit those who believe and do righteous good deeds, to Gardens underneath which rivers flow (in Paradise), wherein they will be adorned with bracelets of gold and pearls and their garments therein will be of silk. And they are guided (in this world) unto goodly speech and they are guided to the Path of He who is Worthy of all praises.”

[Swamp Donkey]

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/227081_919633809426_11517570_44183186_124543_n.jpg

[Haffrage]

[quote="Haitham Al-Haddad":pwybpanw]The killing of Osama bin Ladin, may Allah have mercy on him, if proven to be true, may either be a coincidence or part of a strategic manoeuvre by the US and its allies to justify the adoption of new tactics in their ‘war on terror’ that has clearly proven to be counterproductive. It may be alleged that he was killed a long time ago but the killing was only now announced as a justification for the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan. All of these are possibilities that no one can emphatically confirm, and indeed, there need not be an exertion of effort to confirm or disprove the claims as wisdom dictates that we deal with facts and realities whilst planning for the worst of scenarios.

Whatever the case may be, Osama left this worldly life to meet his Lord who is the ultimate judge. Almighty Allah knows everything about him, his actions, and the conspiracies that surround his life. He knows what Osama did, what he didn’t do, and what we were made to believe that he did. In any case, he died as a Muslim and it is an established part of our Islamic creed that every Muslim, unlike the disbelievers, will eventually enter paradise. According to a number of scholars, the Muslim killed by the enemies of Islam is considered a martyr, regardless of whether he died during combat or simply in a state of non-combative military engagement such as being killed whilst sleeping. Other scholars limit the title of martyr only to those Muslims who are killed during active combat. Whatever the case may be, all scholars have agreed that mistakes made by a Muslim fighter in combat do not deprive him of his rights, whether it be the right of regarding him a martyr or any other Islamic right. The Prophet (peace be upon him) became very angry at his close companion Usamah ibn Zayd when he killed a disbeliever after he had said “there is no God but Allah”. The Prophet furiously repeated, “have you killed him after he said: there is no God but Allah!” However, the Prophet (peace be upon him) continued to appoint Usamah ibn Zayd as the general of the Muslim army and actually appointed him to lead the biggest military expedition that was undertaken during the Prophet’s life.

Any position we adopt must be bound by the guidelines of the Shari’ah and free from emotions and personal whims. We should intend to say (and act upon) what pleases Allah and not what pleases certain individuals, groups or governments. Saddam Hussain, may Allah have mercy on him, was amongst the persons most hated by Muslims having committed many heinous crimes. However, when he was hung he proclaimed: “There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger”. Based upon this, we have no choice but to ask Allah to bestow His mercy upon Saddam as he clearly died a Muslim. Allah informs us that he does not give the courage to any person on his/her deathbed to declare the testimony of faith unless he or she is a true Muslim. Allah says,

“Allah will keep firm those who believe, with the word that stands firm in this world and in the Hereafter. And Allah will cause to go astray those who are Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.), and Allah does what He wills.”

Having said this, I would like to state that although these matters are in agreement with Islamic principles, the application of the principles in relation to certain individuals should not be a cause of fitnah and disunity among Muslims. Unity of Muslims and the purity of their hearts towards each other must be observed regardless of the scale of disagreements between them, as long as the scale of disagreement remains within the bounds of Islam.

Even though we fundamentally disagree with al-Qaeda and we condemn the unjustified killing that is attributed to them, it was very much instigated by the enemies of Islam themselves. In fact, I strongly believe that the presence of al-Qaeda is pleasing to the US especially as it allows the US justification for their crimes. In comparison, any amount of people killed by al-Qaeda has undoubtedly been trebled by the killing sprees of the US in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Gaza and other countries.

It is surprising how this major world Superpower was not only terrorized by a single man walking the face of the earth, but was also terrorized by him even whilst dead. President Obama declared that they would deal with the body of Bin Ladin in accordance with Islamic law and thus they threw it into the sea. This is the so-called respect that the US shows to Islam. In reality, these are the actual morals and values that America really calls for.

Whatever we say, Allah has the final say, and on the day of resurrection the truth will be revealed. Muslims will dwell in the delight of paradise and the disbelievers will be burned in the hellfire forever.

“These two opponents (believers and disbelievers) dispute with each other about their Lord; then as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling water will be poured down over their heads. With it will melt or vanish away what is within their bellies, as well as (their) skins. And for them are hooked rods of iron (to punish them). Every time they seek to get away from it out of anguish, they will be driven back therein, and (it will be) said to them: "Taste the torment of burning!" Truly, Allah will admit those who believe and do righteous good deeds, to Gardens underneath which rivers flow (in Paradise), wherein they will be adorned with bracelets of gold and pearls and their garments therein will be of silk. And they are guided (in this world) unto goodly speech and they are guided to the Path of He who is Worthy of all praises.”[/quote:pwybpanw]
less of this

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/227081_919633809426_11517570_44183186_124543_n.jpg
more of this

[Al Simmons]

Trying to separate the two doesn't make sense. Obviously the events followed one another.
Your logic: Because one was unjustified, they both are.
My logic: You're stupid.

Your logic: It doesn't make sense to only talk about one war.
My logic: ur stupid

Your logic: Stop mocking me, I'm desperately trying to justif-
My logic: hurrdururhurrr

They were both unjustified you collossal moron.

[Kumquat]

[quote="Al Simmons":363jkgci]
Trying to separate the two doesn't make sense. Obviously the events followed one another.
Your logic: Because one was unjustified, they both are.
My logic: You're stupid.

Your logic: It doesn't make sense to only talk about one war.
My logic: ur stupid

Your logic: Stop mocking me, I'm desperately trying to justif-
My logic: hurrdururhurrr

They were both unjustified you collossal moron.[/quote:363jkgci]

STOP SHITTING UP MY AWESOME THREAD!

Create your own thread if you want to argue this bullshit.

Fuck this. Ban 11's!

http://www.wearyourbeer.com/images/thumbs/Osama_Fatality_White_Shirt_175_175.jpg

[Dorvil Barranis]

Haffrage,

What, you don't appreciate my cut and paste Islamic evidence of Osama having earned his place in Heaven? I'm shocked!

[sassy b]

yea those guys went on a bit i got bored, this guy is snappier
Your salvation will only come in your withdrawal from our land, in stopping the robbing of our oil and resources, and in stopping your support for the corrupt and corrupting leaders."we had better intentions" is arguable, in AQ's eyes they were fighting a defensive guerilla war for the middle east vs the oil hungry west and its puppet dictators.

ANYWAY its kinda sad that a reaper/predator didnt get the big job, they've been super effective blowing up loads of AQ baddies + collateral henchmen over the last few years, but apparently they werent good enough for taking out the cobra commander and there had to be :bootsontheground:
Every day the US sends out flying robots that shoot hellfire missiles like fucking gundams but now the boring navy seals get all the pr with their slightly funny shaped helicopter that they couldnt even land properly.

pic so haff doesnt get mad
http://i55.tinypic.com/2gvroe0.jpg

[Tellenta]

yea those guys went on a bit i got bored, this guy is snappier[quote="Ayman al Zawahiri":3ryh52pa]Your salvation will only come in your withdrawal from our land, in stopping the robbing of our oil and resources, and in stopping your support for the corrupt and corrupting leaders."we had better intentions" is arguable, in AQ's eyes they were fighting a defensive guerilla war for the middle east vs the oil hungry west and its puppet dictators.
[/quote:3ryh52pa]

They want us out so they can get back to the serious work of blowing up national treasures and executing people for the pre-show of soccer(sigh ok football) games.

[Haffrage]

Haffrage,

What, you don't appreciate my cut and paste Islamic evidence of Osama having earned his place in Heaven? I'm shocked!
I didn't read it so it could've been an obama/osama slash fic and I wouldn't have even known you should've gotten in trouble for it

[Frug]

They were both unjustified you collossal moron.
Because one was. Therefore they both were. Because you can't talk about one without the other.
I really can't poke holes in your airtight logic. You are truly a genius and a fine philosopher, and example for all douchy lefties and anarchists.


They want us out so they can get back to the serious work of blowing up national treasures and executing people for the pre-show of soccer(sigh ok football) games.
After they blew up those buddhas, they were really doomed to bad karma forever.

[Tellenta]

They want us out so they can get back to the serious work of blowing up national treasures and executing people for the pre-show of soccer(sigh ok football) games.
After they blew up those buddhas, they were really doomed to bad karma forever.
You would think they would have seen it coming tbh.

[Dorvil Barranis]

Haffrage,

What, you don't appreciate my cut and paste Islamic evidence of Osama having earned his place in Heaven? I'm shocked!
I didn't read it so it could've been an obama/osama slash fic and I wouldn't have even known you should've gotten in trouble for it

You shouldn't quote and repost things you haven't read. If you do that on cthulhu.org you can accidentally summon Yog Sothoth, and he could eat your brain.

[Haffrage]

:ohnoes:

[Pattern]

http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/guykawasaki/mqznmbtEDzraaBtwzmacoAsturIppvbIFCzlnCtnpHryeegcGu lCkoivByJw/media_httpchzdailywha_adGzF.jpg.scaled500.jpg

true story.

[Pattern]

Also.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05 ... ium-teeth/ (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/no-navy-seal-dogs-dont-have-titanium-teeth/)

:popcorn:

[Quarantine]

yea those guys went on a bit i got bored, this guy is snappier[quote="Ayman al Zawahiri":1ek6sq5l]Your salvation will only come in your withdrawal from our land, in stopping the robbing of our oil and resources, and in stopping your support for the corrupt and corrupting leaders."we had better intentions" is arguable, in AQ's eyes they were fighting a defensive guerilla war for the middle east vs the oil hungry west and its puppet dictators.


They want us out so they can get back to the serious work of blowing up national treasures and executing people for the pre-show of soccer(sigh ok football) games.[/quote:1ek6sq5l]

Taliban and Al-Kaida really aren't the same thing. Taliban fight in Afghanistan, so moving out of there would end the conflict between them and the rest of the world (and leave Afghanistan for a civil war). Al Zawahiri and his fellow Al-Kaida madmen however believe that the war should take place wherever they can find a bad influence on the true ways of Islam. They claimed to be fighting against US imperialist aggression and Bush made a terribly good effort of proving them right with starting 2 wars down there, but otherwise they'd just look for another reason and place to start their holy war.

[Frug]

http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/guykawasaki/mqznmbtEDzraaBtwzmacoAsturIppvbIFCzlnCtnpHryeegcGu lCkoivByJw/media_httpchzdailywha_adGzF.jpg.scaled500.jpg

true story.
http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749 ... r-25145412 (http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/seals-used-secret-stealth-helicopter-25145412)

Interesting once the douchy reporter is done being douchy. These things are straight out of command & conquer. I wonder if russians have bears.

[fffuuu]

IRL, the Poles had bears (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojtek_%28soldier_bear%29)

[Tellenta]

yea those guys went on a bit i got bored, this guy is snappier[quote="Ayman al Zawahiri":2b2q2ple]Your salvation will only come in your withdrawal from our land, in stopping the robbing of our oil and resources, and in stopping your support for the corrupt and corrupting leaders."we had better intentions" is arguable, in AQ's eyes they were fighting a defensive guerilla war for the middle east vs the oil hungry west and its puppet dictators.


They want us out so they can get back to the serious work of blowing up national treasures and executing people for the pre-show of soccer(sigh ok football) games.

Taliban and Al-Kaida really aren't the same thing. Taliban fight in Afghanistan, so moving out of there would end the conflict between them and the rest of the world (and leave Afghanistan for a civil war). Al Zawahiri and his fellow Al-Kaida madmen however believe that the war should take place wherever they can find a bad influence on the true ways of Islam. They claimed to be fighting against US imperialist aggression and Bush made a terribly good effort of proving them right with starting 2 wars down there, but otherwise they'd just look for another reason and place to start their holy war.[/quote:2b2q2ple]

So you are saying they didn't do any of what I stated or were you just wanting to make a stupid post that has been made a thousand times and has no real relevance?

[Wall]

Sure you had a proper empire first huh America? ;) How far did you guys get, a couple of pacific Islands or something... son, am dissapoint *hides from the USA!!USA!! hurfblurf*

Were still sitting on one of the largest swathes of land ever taken from native people, so yea we're doing pretty okay. But we don't brag about that much because beating spears with guns isn't exactly tough.

I mean, Europe likes to say they got out of the imperialism game because of ~enlightenment~ but let's be honest, you're just scared to get into a country where the natives can actually shoot back. (lolLibya).

[Al Simmons]

Liberal elite~ making you look stupid in comparison since time immemorial.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn ... index.html (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/06/bin_laden/index.html)

[Frug]

So you are saying they didn't do any of what I stated or were you just wanting to make a stupid post that has been made a thousand times and has no real relevance?
I think people like doing that. There should be a name for it.

[Quarantine]

So you are saying they didn't do any of what I stated or were you just wanting to make a stupid post that has been made a thousand times and has no real relevance?

I'm saying they didn't do it. Taliban blew up the Buddha statues and execute their women before soccer games, yet you quoted the Al-Kaida leader. If those were to go back to what they were doing before, they'd still be fighting their Djihad somewhere.



I think people like doing that. There should be a name for it.

The desire to correct people who look at a horse and call it a donkey? There's already plenty of names for that.

[Tellenta]

So you are saying they didn't do any of what I stated or were you just wanting to make a stupid post that has been made a thousand times and has no real relevance?

I'm saying they didn't do it. Taliban blew up the Buddha statues and execute their women before soccer games, yet you quoted the Al-Kaida leader. If those were to go back to what they were doing before, they'd still be fighting their Djihad somewhere.



I think people like doing that. There should be a name for it.

The desire to correct people who look at a horse and call it a donkey? There's already plenty of names for that.

They are inseparably linked in Afghanistan, however if you are that vehement about being specific I fully expect you to be just as specific when dealing with claims of America did this and Europe does that.

[Tellenta]

So you are saying they didn't do any of what I stated or were you just wanting to make a stupid post that has been made a thousand times and has no real relevance?
I think people like doing that. There should be a name for it.
Lets name it Billy.

[Quarantine]

They are inseparably linked in Afghanistan, however if you are that vehement about being specific I fully expect you to be just as specific when dealing with claims of America did this and Europe does that.

They were closely linked, but they are two separate entities. It might very well be that the West will have to make concessions to the Taliban to keep Afghanistan and Pakistan from imploding, but for obvious reasons there will never be negotiations with Al-Kaida. The killing of Osama has weakened Al-Kaida, but at the same time the impairment of US-Pakistan relations is of very great benefit to the Taliban. I get that you were making a sarcastic comment and all, so forgive me the smartassery, but I think it's necessary to be specific on that topic.

[Tellenta]

They are inseparably linked in Afghanistan, however if you are that vehement about being specific I fully expect you to be just as specific when dealing with claims of America did this and Europe does that.

They were closely linked, but they are two separate entities. It might very well be that the West will have to make concessions to the Taliban to keep Afghanistan and Pakistan from imploding, but for obvious reasons there will never be negotiations with Al-Kaida. The killing of Osama has weakened Al-Kaida, but at the same time the impairment of US-Pakistan relations is of very great benefit to the Taliban. I get that you were making a sarcastic comment and all, so forgive me the smartassery, but I think it's necessary to be specific on that topic.

Yeah my bad I should have typed were instead of are, anyways Right-o billy enjoy your day.

[Frug]

They were closely linked, but they are two separate entities. It might very well be that the West will have to make concessions to the Taliban to keep Afghanistan and Pakistan from imploding, but for obvious reasons there will never be negotiations with Al-Kaida. The killing of Osama has weakened Al-Kaida, but at the same time the impairment of US-Pakistan relations is of very great benefit to the Taliban. I get that you were making a sarcastic comment and all, so forgive me the smartassery, but I think it's necessary to be specific on that topic.

OH no! "Pakistan" will like the US a little less!
I say "Pakistan" because you can either be talking about the country politically, or its citizens.
Regarding its citizens, it doesn't seem very productive to worry about people who are mad over the US moving in and killing a guy who has murdered thousands of US citizens and was planning more. There are people on both sides of the fence, but the ones upset about it tend not to be the most reasonable or well informed people around, and most of them hated the US already anyway. You can't placate those people. They were already busy burning US flags in their spare time and acting like nutjobs. A lot of more rational pakistanis are actually upset at their own government for harboring the man. They're mad about where he was found, not that the US did what they had to do.

As for the country, it's well known that that Pakistan has been playing both sides of this game for a long time in order to milk money out of the US. Like, extremely well known. The ISI has links with extremist groups, and this bit them in the ass when they realized that religious nutters are crazy and some of them went on a shooting spree in a hotel not long ago. Their outrage at drone attacks toned down after that event. Everyone knows why the US didn't tell them about the operation, and it's naive to believe their faux outrage at it. Pakistan is officially both commending the success of the operation and condemning the breach of their sovereignty, but I'm not really seeing any change in their attitude or behavior here.

I think the worst part of this whole thing is that the helicopter crashed and they got their hands on pieces to sell the Chinese.

[Don Pellegrino]

http://summitupperschool.org/lgarrett/files/2010/10/afghanistan_flow_chart.jpg

[Larkonis Trassler]

Haha, thanks for posting that Don. As far as I'm concerned the entire campaign is fucked because of shit like that.

[Haffrage]

Just photoshop it so they all say SHITSTORM and it'll be a bit more accurate

[mitch]

Swear I read somewhere that MI6 and CIA etc have stopped several bomb plots etc through intel gathered from the war in afghanistan?

If so it's a catch 22, pull out and maybe miss out on key intel and a bomb goes off somewhere, or don't pull out and they will keep on trying to blow stuff up?

[Dale]

or pull out and stop pissing on the muslim world.

[lubica]

Just photoshop it so they all say SHITSTORM and it'll be a bit more accurate
DO EET

[Keorythe]

Liberal elite~ attempting to make themselves look intelligent and smug without and substance since time immemorial.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn ... index.html (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/06/bin_laden/index.html)

FYP

I'll never understand how people today seem to forget that war and law enforcement are two different things. As if dropping a JDAM or Hellfire on a senior enemy officer while he sleeps unarmed and in his pajamas is somehow more acceptable that shooting him in the face.

Mr. Greenwald also seems to forget that while WWII was ongoing we made assassination attempts and singled out officers for termination. By the time we were chasing stragglers the war was over and they were making the choice of who to surrender. Did bin Laden openly surrender to the Navy SEALs? We'll never know. And frankly no one wants to know either.

[Loire]

Frug being Frug again?

[Fara]

Frug being Frug again?

c

[Frug]

I'll never understand how people today seem to forget that war and law enforcement are two different things. As if dropping a JDAM or Hellfire on a senior enemy officer while he sleeps unarmed and in his pajamas is somehow more acceptable that shooting him in the face.
This really.

Although it's a little understandable to wince at the thought of marines shooting him when he was unarmed.

[Frug]

Frug being Frug again?
Compliment coming from you thx.

[Cassiuss]

This Frug and Loire ifued is rather entertaining. Fucking Canucktards.

:popcorn:

[Frug]

This Frug and Loire ifued is rather entertaining. Fucking Canucktards.

:popcorn:
That faggot will make it into my signature soon enough.

[Loire]

This Frug and Loire ifued is rather entertaining. Fucking Canucktards.

:popcorn:
That faggot will make it into my signature soon enough.

I'm too stupid to say anything that deserves being in your magnificent signature.
fake edit: Why do I have the feeling this will do the job just fine?

[Frug]

It will do until I find something better.

[Loire]

I was going to leave this whole thing behind with FHC but I realized how much I missed you.

[Frug]

You're a fucking retard.

Content: Frontline special is basically a follow up to their "behind taliban lines" but talks about recent events. Fascinating stuff. I love frontline.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... bin-laden/ (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/osama-bin-laden/)

[Zinabat]

You're a fucking retard.

Making friends again I see.

[Cassiuss]

Let's be honest here, you're both fucking retards. Quit bitching and kiss faggots.

Now for my own brand of retard.
I think with Al-Qaeda confirming Bin Laden's death and vowing revenge on the states and their allies I can most undoubtedly say that he is dead and that his death will ring through Islam and the anti-american sentiment will eventually bite them (or one of their allies) in the ass badly.

I guess I need to spend more time on Al jazeera or something.

[Frug]

I think with Al-Qaeda confirming Bin Laden's death and vowing revenge on the states and their allies I can most undoubtedly say that he is dead and that his death will ring through Islam and the anti-american sentiment will eventually bite them (or one of their allies) in the ass badly.

Wait. You're saying islamic extremists will want to attack the US? Jesus god what have we done

[Cassiuss]

I think with Al-Qaeda confirming Bin Laden's death and vowing revenge on the states and their allies I can most undoubtedly say that he is dead and that his death will ring through Islam and the anti-american sentiment will eventually bite them (or one of their allies) in the ass badly.

Wait. You're saying islamic extremists will want to attack the US? Jesus god what have we done

Not just the Islamic extremists, Islamic moderates perhaps too. Muslims in general or anyone out there who sees orchestrated assassinations of leaders of liberation movements as an attack on them as well.

Remember, one mans extremist is just another mans freedom fighter Frug you mule. The paradigm depends on which side of the fence you're on.
This is how allies are formed.

Heh, but I know you're trolling and I have better things to do than try to match barbs with the leader of the Crayola club. (add that ya silly cunt)


:obama:

[Citriz]

:insert picture of whale:

I love the slightly overweight dude in the brown shirt on the right that nobody will remember how he got in in the first place saying: "Dude, did you see that? He totally blew his head off! AWESOME! Can we have this again in slow motion?"


wat?

[Frug]

Remember, one mans extremist is just another mans freedom fighter

You're right. We should respect the sensibilities of people who praise a man who killed thousands of civilians and celebrated it. We would not want to enrage those people. Because they currently are ok with the US.

Good job man. Stellar argument. A++

[Tellenta]

Remember, one mans extremist is just another mans freedom fighter

You're right. We should respect the sensibilities of people who praise a man who killed thousands of civilians and celebrated it. We would not want to enrage those people. Because they currently are ok with the US.

Good job man. Stellar argument. A++

Kill em all and let god sort em out?

[Haffrage]

yeah i know when obama flew his HOPE AND CHANGE airplanes into the burj khalifa I was totally all like YEAH DUDE DEMOCRATIZE THE FUCK OUT OF THOSE GUYS

(Some things are actually not subjective, and anyone who flies planes into buildings has got to fucking go no matter whose side they're on. I'm p.sure if obama flew planes into buildings without provokation americans would be a slight bit fussed)

[Frug]

yeah i know when obama flew his HOPE AND CHANGE airplanes into the burj khalifa I was totally all like YEAH DUDE DEMOCRATIZE THE FUCK OUT OF THOSE GUYS

(Some things are actually not subjective, and anyone who flies planes into buildings has got to fucking go no matter whose side they're on. I'm p.sure if obama flew planes into buildings without provokation americans would be a slight bit fussed)
No. You are wrong. Whenever anyone slaughters people for whatever reason, you must realize that he is someone else's freedom fighter and therefore you must respect them and try to help them love you.

[Keorythe]

I think with Al-Qaeda confirming Bin Laden's death and vowing revenge on the states and their allies I can most undoubtedly say that he is dead and that his death will ring through Islam and the anti-american sentiment will eventually bite them (or one of their allies) in the ass badly.

Wait. You're saying islamic extremists will want to attack the US? Jesus god what have we done

Not just the Islamic extremists, Islamic moderates perhaps too. Muslims in general or anyone out there who sees orchestrated assassinations of leaders of liberation movements as an attack on them as well.

:psyduck:

Moderates don't see the Taliban or AQ as liberation movements. They aren't liberating anything nor are they offering anything remotely moderate according to Islam. Many of their actions are in direct contradiction to Islamic teachings. They are a power grab movement who only want to run things their way and will kill anyone who gets in their way. Any Islamic follower calling themselves a "moderate" but mourning bin Laden or any of these terrorists isn't a moderate. The Taliban and AQ aren't nice people. They don't stage protest marches. Shooting children and women teachers for spies then dumping their bodies in trash piles doesn't rate on the human scale. They're animals that need to be put down.

[Tellenta]

I think with Al-Qaeda confirming Bin Laden's death and vowing revenge on the states and their allies I can most undoubtedly say that he is dead and that his death will ring through Islam and the anti-american sentiment will eventually bite them (or one of their allies) in the ass badly.

Wait. You're saying islamic extremists will want to attack the US? Jesus god what have we done

Not just the Islamic extremists, Islamic moderates perhaps too. Muslims in general or anyone out there who sees orchestrated assassinations of leaders of liberation movements as an attack on them as well.

:psyduck:

Moderates don't see the Taliban or AQ as liberation movements. They aren't liberating anything nor are they offering anything remotely moderate according to Islam. Many of their actions are in direct contradiction to Islamic teachings. They are a power grab movement who only want to run things their way and will kill anyone who gets in their way. Any Islamic follower calling themselves a "moderate" but mourning bin Laden or any of these terrorists isn't a moderate. The Taliban and AQ aren't nice people. They don't stage protest marches. Shooting children and women teachers for spies then dumping their bodies in trash piles doesn't rate on the human scale. They're animals that need to be put down.
Why are you so incapable of accepting the fact that they murder innocent middle eastern muslims to fight the brutal western empire in the middle east. Why are you so ignorant. Every market place they bomb in the middle east with only locals present is one more reason why America and Europe is evil. Why can't you accept this?

[Haffrage]

trolls trolling trolls who trolled trollsing trolling tr fuck it

[Tellenta]

trolls trolling trolls who trolled trollsing trolling tr fuck it

This thread was stupid the second it was made, so was the last one. Taking it seriously is also stupid. Stupid is as stupid does, and FHC has an overabundance.

[fffuuu]

so for those of you who are drunk in this thread,
(and most of you must be)
make yourself a Bin Laden Martini:

Two shots of gin or vodka,
and a spash of saltwater.

[Haffrage]

I need an easy to click "ban all" button on threads like outlook has an easy to click "reply all" button on emails

[Keorythe]

I think with Al-Qaeda confirming Bin Laden's death and vowing revenge on the states and their allies I can most undoubtedly say that he is dead and that his death will ring through Islam and the anti-american sentiment will eventually bite them (or one of their allies) in the ass badly.

Wait. You're saying islamic extremists will want to attack the US? Jesus god what have we done

Not just the Islamic extremists, Islamic moderates perhaps too. Muslims in general or anyone out there who sees orchestrated assassinations of leaders of liberation movements as an attack on them as well.

:psyduck:

Moderates don't see the Taliban or AQ as liberation movements. They aren't liberating anything nor are they offering anything remotely moderate according to Islam. Many of their actions are in direct contradiction to Islamic teachings. They are a power grab movement who only want to run things their way and will kill anyone who gets in their way. Any Islamic follower calling themselves a "moderate" but mourning bin Laden or any of these terrorists isn't a moderate. The Taliban and AQ aren't nice people. They don't stage protest marches. Shooting children and women teachers for spies then dumping their bodies in trash piles doesn't rate on the human scale. They're animals that need to be put down.
Why are you so incapable of accepting the fact that they murder innocent middle eastern muslims to fight the brutal western empire in the middle east. Why are you so ignorant. Every market place they bomb in the middle east with only locals present is one more reason why America and Europe is evil. Why can't you accept this?


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AQ7G7SixcC4/S-0YxNlNmNI/AAAAAAAACOI/klZ3Sixp3fo/s1600/TeamAmericaOpening.jpg

[Cassiuss]

Remember, one mans extremist is just another mans freedom fighter

You're right. We should respect the sensibilities of people who praise a man who killed thousands of civilians and celebrated it. We would not want to enrage those people. Because they currently are ok with the US.

Good job man. Stellar argument. A++

...and once again you're being stupid Frug. I never said the US should respect the sensibilities of Osama Bin Laden or any terrorist that responsible for killing thousands of innocents. My point was he was assassinated (while unarmed) he could have stood for war crimes, it could have been the trial of the century. He was the Hitler (albiet not a dictator but in terms of sheer hatred) of our time. There is a certain level of diplomacy that could have been involved to subjugate his notoriety, especially Justice to which Americans seem so fond.
All this has done was spread his tyrannical influence even further...

The fact that the US killed him means very little to me, your hated around the planet for a million other reasons. The unfortunate part is that the US doesn't live in a vacuum and we happen to be one of your allies. It should have been handled differently.

You don't assassinate your enemies, even Bin Laden. Truth, Justice and the american way comes in the form of a gun.
This wasn't war, it was a hit. Wishing your enemies dead and actually having them killed are two completely different things.
I think you'll find the Americans just altered the rules of engagement when it comes to killing those they hate.

[Al Simmons]

Liberal elite~ attempting to make themselves look intelligent and smug without and substance since time immemorial.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn ... index.html (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/06/bin_laden/index.html)

FYP

I'll never understand how people today seem to forget that war and law enforcement are two different things. As if dropping a JDAM or Hellfire on a senior enemy officer while he sleeps unarmed and in his pajamas is somehow more acceptable that shooting him in the face.

Mr. Greenwald also seems to forget that while WWII was ongoing we made assassination attempts and singled out officers for termination. By the time we were chasing stragglers the war was over and they were making the choice of who to surrender. Did bin Laden openly surrender to the Navy SEALs? We'll never know. And frankly no one wants to know either.

Hey, i'm pretty sure that guy and me and a lot of others want to know! And i'm pretty sure someone knows, seeing as fucking helmet cams exist. Unless they dumped the tapes of the operation in the sea alongside Osama's body.

Also your first paragraph, wtf i'm pretty sure no-one is making that point.



yeah i know when obama flew his HOPE AND CHANGE airplanes into the burj khalifa I was totally all like YEAH DUDE DEMOCRATIZE THE FUCK OUT OF THOSE GUYS

(Some things are actually not subjective, and anyone who flies planes into buildings has got to fucking go no matter whose side they're on. I'm p.sure if obama flew planes into buildings without provokation americans would be a slight bit fussed)

Right, cos islamists and Al Qaeda had no provocation, of course.

Btw, I recommend anyone who wants to understand this stuff a bit more read the book Unspeak (http://books.google.com/books?id=vY2AVhOEKxAC&dq=unspeak&hl=en&ei=sRfGTeOGHISp8QOQhdD2Bw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAQ) by Steven Poole, which is excellent, and shows that states can in fact themselves commit 'terrorism', it doesn't have to just be some angry young men with bombs.

[Keorythe]

Also your first paragraph, wtf i'm pretty sure no-one is making that point.

Wut? See Cass's post.


My point was he was assassinated (while unarmed) he could have stood for war crimes, it could have been the trial of the century. He was the Hitler (albiet not a dictator but in terms of sheer hatred) of our time.

Wow, you're accusing people of living in vacuum and you post this? First, you probably haven't even figured out if he should have been tried by tribunal or a regular court. What would have come of a trial? A carnival spectacle with guys like you arguing about a bias unfair trail? A prison sentence? A hung jury? Europe being europe and saying no death sentence? Having evidence thrown out for being tainted (gathered by waterboarding, bribery, or witnesses on payroll) leading to an acquittal? All so you can have a spectacle? Yeah a trial worked really will for Milosevec and I noticed Vojislav Šešelj still hasn't had his day. How long would bin Laden sit in Guantanamo? How long before someone wants him transferred to a nicer facility or claims torturer etc.? Yeah, I could see claims of waterboarding (whether they happen or not) making lots of inroads with AQ and radical muslims. Face it, there will never be another Nuremberg Trial. Our allies no long have the stomach for such things.


There is a certain level of diplomacy that could have been involved to subjugate his notoriety, especially Justice to which Americans seem so fond.
All this has done was spread his tyrannical influence even further...

What..the...fuck? Diplomacy? I would love to hear your theory on how diplomacy would subjugate his notoriety and why that's even important. This isn't the Taliban who exist only in A-stan and willing to negotiate since they're beholden to tribal leadership. Considering now that they're reporting that he was indeed in regular contact with top tier AQ leadership, making command decisions, and influenced money I seriously doubt you'll see a spread. The bastard is dead, the intelligence gathered is a treasure trove and will be used to kill more AQ leadership.


You don't assassinate your enemies, even Bin Laden. Truth, Justice and the american way comes in the form of a gun.
This wasn't war, it was a hit.

I think you'll find the Americans just altered the rules of engagement when it comes to killing those they hate.

Hmm, so then I guess we should have made Admiral Yamamoto's unarmed transport plane land instead of shooting it down...then strafing the wreck just to be sure. Maybe those British SAS commandos should have had orders to capture Rommel instead of shooting him in the face during Operation Gaff? Speaking of Gaff, had Reagan's attack on Ghaddafi actually been successful, we wouldn't be hearing about Libya or have high gas prices.

Sorry to burst your utopian bubble there with these tidbits of reality Cassiuss but sometimes, when you go to war you have to treat them differently than a guy to took your car for a joyride. Obliterating senior leadership is a tried and true method of sowing discord, disrupting logistics, disrupting communications, and removing leadership from the playing field. Sometimes a more expedient method with a sense of finality isn't the worst alternative. But before you go and say something stupid like "snake of many heads" I have to inform you that it's bullshit. Removing leadership screws up an organization and having someone so high getting zapped really screws with the enemy's sense of security. Replacing these people isn't easy as real leadership isn't that easy to come by nor is re-establishing lines of communication nor re-establish money generating supporters after such a security breach.

[Al Simmons]

Also your first paragraph, wtf i'm pretty sure no-one is making that point.

Wut? See Cass's post.

Still not getting what you are talking about.


Face it, there will never be another Nuremberg Trial. We no long have the stomach/respect for law for such things.

FYP.


Speaking of Gaff, had Reagan's attack on Ghaddafi actually been successful, we wouldn't be hearing about Libya or have high gas prices.

What. We have high gas/petrol prices because the oil is running out and we are burning it at a hilarious rate of knots.


Sorry to burst your utopian bubble there with these tidbits of reality Cassiuss but sometimes, when you go to war you have to treat them differently than a guy to took your car for a joyride. Obliterating senior leadership is a tried and true method of sowing discord, disrupting logistics, disrupting communications, and removing leadership from the playing field. Sometimes a more expedient method with a sense of finality isn't the worst alternative. But before you go and say something stupid like "snake of many heads" I have to inform you that it's bullshit. Removing leadership screws up an organization and having someone so high getting zapped really screws with the enemy's sense of security. Replacing these people isn't easy as real leadership isn't that easy to come by nor is re-establishing lines of communication nor re-establish money generating supporters after such a security breach.

Also sometimes when you go to war, you don't actually have to declare it as such and can reclassify the people you are fighting into as many nebulous terms as you want and can therefore ignore all those inconvenient things like the Geneva Convention that would just be way too much effort.

And Bin Laden hasn't been actively leading Al Qaeda for like 5 years, but ok.

[Frug]

I never said the US should respect the sensibilities of Osama Bin Laden or any terrorist that responsible for killing thousands of innocents. My point was he was assassinated (while unarmed) he could have stood for war crimes
I'm well aware that he could have. Thank you for your brilliant insight. You can perhaps see why I'm calling you a retard while I wait for you to explain why he should have.

See, I had given your tiny brain the benefit of the doubt and assumed that you were trying to argue that he should have gone on trial out of respect for the people who consider him a freedom fighter. You know. Like, I was somehow interpreting your hurf blurfing about him being some people's freedom fighter as having some point to it all.
But actually your point is more like "because because". Like we should have put him on trial because FOR GREAT JUSTICE. and the whole sound bite about the freedom fighter was relevant because... we're... not interested in the sensibilities... of extremists...

I'm so very confused. So I'm just going to stop trying to scrounge up some explanation of your freedom fighter comment because for the life of me it sounds like you're just farting through text.



You don't assassinate your enemies, even Bin Laden. Truth, Justice and the american way comes in the form of a gun.
This wasn't war, it was a hit. Wishing your enemies dead and actually having them killed are two completely different things.
I think you'll find the Americans just altered the rules of engagement when it comes to killing those they hate.
Welcome to several pages ago and a whole other post haffrage already locked about this topic. It's getting pretty tedious talking in circles. I could have sworn you were already following then.

[Frug]

Also sometimes when you go to war, you don't actually have to declare it as such and can reclassify the people you are fighting into as many nebulous terms as you want and can therefore ignore all those inconvenient things like the Geneva Convention that would just be way too much effort.

And Bin Laden hasn't been actively leading Al Qaeda for like 5 years, but ok.
I wonder if bleeding heart extremist liberals like you also believe that all of the drone attacks, bombs, and sniping we have done so far in any of these wars were wrong because the dudes standing around with AK's and RPGs strapped to their backs having a conversation also deserved a trial. We really should have sent in some kind of army SWAT teams to tackle and arrest them. Or run in and been like FREEZE DIRT BAGS and tried to arrest them before they started shooting. Across all of afghanistan. All of them.

Or is it just bin laden? because he's special enough to deserve a trial while all his goons are not because they're just goons.

Maybe what gets me is that you're so BAAW there wasn't a trial this is WRONG about this one guy, when we have been dropping explosives on people for several years now without hauling each and every one to a court room for great justice.

[Al Simmons]

This just in, but high ranking officers are treated differently to grunts. News at 11.

[Haffrage]

Right, cos islamists and Al Qaeda had no provocation, of course.

Btw, I recommend anyone who wants to understand this stuff a bit more read the book Unspeak (http://books.google.com/books?id=vY2AVhOEKxAC&dq=unspeak&hl=en&ei=sRfGTeOGHISp8QOQhdD2Bw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAQ) by Steven Poole, which is excellent, and shows that states can in fact themselves commit 'terrorism', it doesn't have to just be some angry young men with bombs.
Was waiting for that one :lol:

List the things that justify killing 3000 unrelated civilians by flying airplanes into buildings please

[Reed Tiburon]

christ almighty the goddamn derp on display here. n1 al :psyduck:

[Haffrage]

Also, oil isn't running out THAT fucking badly. Oil is getting expensive because oil might get expensive in the future. No, you didn't misread that. It's a fucking joke of a system, look into it.

[Fuggin]

Also, oil isn't running out THAT fucking badly. Oil is getting expensive because oil might get expensive in the future. No, you didn't misread that. It's a fucking joke of a system, look into it.

Yup...the real criminals are the oil speculators.

[Al Simmons]

Right, cos islamists and Al Qaeda had no provocation, of course.

Btw, I recommend anyone who wants to understand this stuff a bit more read the book Unspeak (http://books.google.com/books?id=vY2AVhOEKxAC&dq=unspeak&hl=en&ei=sRfGTeOGHISp8QOQhdD2Bw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAQ) by Steven Poole, which is excellent, and shows that states can in fact themselves commit 'terrorism', it doesn't have to just be some angry young men with bombs.
Was waiting for that one :lol:

List the things that justify killing 3000 unrelated civilians by flying airplanes into buildings please

Why does it matter whether unrelated civilians are killed by planes into buildings or planes that drop bombs that blow up buildings? The end result is the same.

[Haffrage]

Ah, so you've finally started eating your own ass (tail). Go back a few pages to where I said something around "Yeah we should've just left well enough alone, they never would have bothered anyone again after 9/11" and read on from there. You are now arguing against points you've previously made, hth

[Frug]

This just in, but high ranking officers are treated differently to grunts. News at 11.
And in your quest for great justice, and your idiotic douchy ideals, you don't see anything wrong with treating him better than them?

No. No of course you don't. You're a retard. I just keep forgetting.

But thank you for completely reaffirming my opinion the kind of person who touts that blog article linked earlier.

[Wall]

This just in, but high ranking officers are treated differently to grunts. News at 11.

That's true, they are usually shot first.

[Haffrage]

IMO if somebody is trying to kill me I won't be too fussed about the number of badges on his coat if I can kill him first

[Al Simmons]

This just in, but high ranking officers are treated differently to grunts. News at 11.
And in your quest for great justice, and your idiotic douchy ideals, you don't see anything wrong with treating him better than them?

No. No of course you don't. You're a retard. I just keep forgetting.

But thank you for completely reaffirming my opinion the kind of person who touts that blog article linked earlier.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13274176


Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden was unarmed when he was killed by US troops on Sunday after resisting capture, the White House has said.

I am shocked by this turn of events.

[Haffrage]

This is al fucking qaeda, suicide bombers extraordinaire, so unless they patted him down they had no way of knowing he was actually unarmed

and you are al fucking retarded if you think otherwise

[Al Simmons]

Yeah, they shoulda just nuked him, it's the only way to be sure.

[Haffrage]

Why waste good nukes when two bullets do just fine :obama:

[Greme]

Furthermore, to add further fuel to the devil's advocate (and cynicism) fire, if he was escaping, even if he were unarmed, would you really risk letting him get away for another 10 years if you could just shoot him in the face?

[Haffrage]

I think Al is a program now. He used to be chill and all but lately he's retarded as fuck. So I think I cracked the basic logic behind this new Al imposter

1. Make a bland super-liberal post
2. When somebody calls you out for being retarded, make a sarcastic remark because you haven't got shit to back up your post (which was little more than rhetoric and nonsensical, unrealistic ideals in the first place)
3. When they call THAT out, mix in some facts with the sarcastic remarks, so at least some of the post is right and thus you can appear entirely right to morons
4. When somebody calls the stuff that isn't actually true retarded, make a sarcastic remark because you haven't got shit to back up your post
5. return to step 3

So, that's why every time we take the time to bother explaining why he's retarded he just shrugs it off with a boring sarcastic meme-influenced retort and then comes back with more of step 3!

[Wall]

Personally I think the US should have gone to the ICC and petitioned for an arrest warrant, then requested permission from Pakistan to send in international police officers to take him back to the Hague.

It worked so well with al-Bashir!

[XenosisReaper]

Lol. Butthurt worldfags

[Al Simmons]

I think Al is a program now. He used to be chill and all but lately he's retarded as fuck. So I think I cracked the basic logic behind this new Al imposter

1. Make a bland super-liberal post
2. When somebody calls you out for being retarded, make a sarcastic remark because you haven't got shit to back up your post (which was little more than rhetoric and nonsensical, unrealistic ideals in the first place)
3. When they call THAT out, mix in some facts with the sarcastic remarks, so at least some of the post is right and thus you can appear entirely right to morons
4. When somebody calls the stuff that isn't actually true retarded, make a sarcastic remark because you haven't got shit to back up your post
5. return to step 3

So, that's why every time we take the time to bother explaining why he's retarded he just shrugs it off with a boring sarcastic meme-influenced retort and then comes back with more of step 3!

Oh no, my secret is out. But really, if you aren't convinced by the well-written and logical articles by Greenwald or whoever, then I doubt anything I say will change your mind.

And yeah, when someone says something as retarded as Osama probably had an explosive vest on so obviously we couldn't take him captive, i'm inclined to follow up with something equally retarded, because trying to discuss that idea in a serious way would be pointless.

[Frug]

He deserves better treatment because he's an ~officer~ in this war that isn't a war.

[Haffrage]

I think Al is a program now. He used to be chill and all but lately he's retarded as fuck. So I think I cracked the basic logic behind this new Al imposter

1. Make a bland super-liberal post
2. When somebody calls you out for being retarded, make a sarcastic remark because you haven't got shit to back up your post (which was little more than rhetoric and nonsensical, unrealistic ideals in the first place)
3. When they call THAT out, mix in some facts with the sarcastic remarks, so at least some of the post is right and thus you can appear entirely right to morons
4. When somebody calls the stuff that isn't actually true retarded, make a sarcastic remark because you haven't got shit to back up your post
5. return to step 3

So, that's why every time we take the time to bother explaining why he's retarded he just shrugs it off with a boring sarcastic meme-influenced retort and then comes back with more of step 3!

Oh no, my secret is out. But really, if you aren't convinced by the well-written and logical articles by Greenwald or whoever, then I doubt anything I say will change your mind.

And yeah, when someone says something as retarded as Osama probably had an explosive vest on so obviously we couldn't take him captive, i'm inclined to follow up with something equally retarded, because trying to discuss that idea in a serious way would be pointless.
I just figured any link you post leads to more of the stuff you've been posting so didn't bother clicking them :obama:

I didn't know we had a professional bomb squad tech here on the forums, good to know

http://blogs.wsj.com/dispatch/2011/05/0 ... den-alive/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/dispatch/2011/05/02/u-s-was-willing-to-take-bin-laden-alive/)

just fyi

and what is it that you do that makes you such an authority on all the things you've been posting, anyway?

[XenosisReaper]

Wikipedia makes you an instant expert on pretty much everything haff, you should know this by now

[Wall]

Yo do you guys remember that movie Inglorious Bastards where those special US soldiers went into that foreign country and killed all those officers? That was pretty awesome. I certainly had no issues with that film.

But yea shooting Osama? Terrible!

[Al Simmons]

I just figured any link you post leads to more of the stuff you've been posting so didn't bother clicking them :obama:

Oh well that is good to know. Thanks. Homework is so boring, let's just assume all his sources are shit.


I didn't know we had a professional bomb squad tech here on the forums, good to know

http://blogs.wsj.com/dispatch/2011/05/0 ... den-alive/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/dispatch/2011/05/02/u-s-was-willing-to-take-bin-laden-alive/)

just fyi

Just fyi, the army/pentagon/white house have changed their story on this a dozen times. Any reasonable person would not believe anything they say on the subject.


and what is it that you do that makes you such an authority on all the things you've been posting, anyway?

Nothing, when have I ever said I was one? It's all just opinion.

Speaking of opinion, here are some more opinion pieces that I think are very good but of course you won't bother to read so I may as well just link to pokemon.com and then you can insult me because pokemon are not helping the war on turrrrrrr

http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/co ... hero-.html (http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/2125-day-of-the-dead-the-hit-man-as-hero-.html)

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn ... index.html (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/07/awlaki/index.html)

[Haffrage]

Oh right, it's all just opinion so it's fine to spout inane babble.

I had something else typed up, but honestly the amount of :effort: I'd have to put in with replying to responses just isn't worth it.

Cut the shit with the "YOU CAN'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT" and "MORALITY IS IMPORTANT MASS MURDERERS NEED TRIALS" rhetoric. Killing him was the right call. You want to know how I know that? They fucking did it.

If you think disabling an explosive vest on somebody that wants to kill himself is easy, then oh wow. If you think he would have let them get close if he was wearing an explosive vest, then oh wow. If you think you can pass any judgments on anything that happened in a firefight you weren't even there to see, all the while continuing to spout that the government is feeding us lie after lie after lie yet everything we know has been information we get from that same government, then oh fucking wow.

Somebody get this guy a tinfoil hat, jfc

edit: Actually no, somebody get this guy an application to the navy. If he thinks he can make better calls than the professionals then he can become one, I'd love to see how well that shit works out for him.

[Al Simmons]

I'd be interested as to your reasoning why Osama would be wearing an explosive vest at all. Obviously he didn't know the seals were coming, or he would have gtfo, so I doubt he would have had time to put one on. (Cos you know, he'd be bound to have one lying around). Unless you think he just wears one 24/7, just in case.

You definitely can't trust the government. And yeah we don't have all the information, because they want it that way. The dozens of conflicting stories coming out of every branch involved just don't engender much confidence in what they might be saying at any particular moment in time.

Also, yes it is important that mass murderers get trials. Because you know who is telling us he's a mass murderer? The same government who killed him with no oversight.

I know you don't wanna, but I really think you should read this link: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn ... index.html (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/07/awlaki/index.html)

The US government thinks it has the power and right to murder anyone on the globe whenever it feels like it, including its own citizens, just because it has the physical capability. That's what your "america fuck yeah" stuff actually means in reality.

[Haffrage]

45 minutes of shooting and he doesn't know they're coming, yeah alright

I can't handle reading more of your posting after that opening statement, really just fuck that

[Al Simmons]

45 minutes of shooting and he doesn't know they're coming, yeah alright

I can't handle reading more of your posting after that opening statement, really just fuck that

(Cos you know, he'd be bound to have one lying around)

I mean he's fucking Osama Bin Laden, he can probably conjure C4 out of his fucking beard.

You're a joke.

[Haffrage]

:psyduck:

[lubica]

Also, oil isn't running out THAT fucking badly. Oil is getting expensive because oil might get expensive in the future. No, you didn't misread that. It's a fucking joke of a system, look into it.
I would appreciate a link to the bolded part. Because, afaik, we ARE on the downslope of the oil production curve, we are also discovering fewer and fewer oil fields of appreciable size that would replace the ones we've exhausted. Shale oil is also not really an answer, as the extraction process is quite difficult and expensive and while improvement will be made in the short-term, the price of oil will not drop below 100$ for a LONG time, due to regular oil production falling faster (edit: in the long-term) than alternatives ramping up theirs. Current (edit: short-term) oil production is also not expanding quickly enough to meet the demands. Prices will go up, but not in a steady manner, the prices are already oscillating and the oscillations will merely increase in severity. Even as little as 5 years ago people were laughing at the concept of "peak-oil", but the truth is we are already past it now. Expect oil to hit 200$/barrel in the next 3-5 years.

[Wall]

Also, yes it is important that mass murderers get trials. Because you know who is telling us he's a mass murderer?

Osama?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/bin ... 29-04.html (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/binladen_10-29-04.html)

[Reed Tiburon]

Personally I think the US should have gone to the ICC and petitioned for an arrest warrant, then requested permission from Pakistan to send in international police officers to take him back to the Hague.

It worked so well with al-Bashir!
tbh

[Al Simmons]

Also, yes it is important that mass murderers get trials. Because you know who is telling us he's a mass murderer?

Osama?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/bin ... 29-04.html (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/binladen_10-29-04.html)

And yet in 2001 he said he had nothing to do with 9/11. vov

[MortyM]

Yo do you guys remember that movie Inglorious Bastards where those special US soldiers went into that foreign country and killed all those officers? That was pretty awesome. I certainly had no issues with that film.

I can't tell if people are trolling, being sarcastic or just truly stupid anymore. So I'm just gona say it.
You do realize that Inglorious Bastards was a satire of exactly that, right?

[James Snowscoran]

Also, oil isn't running out THAT fucking badly. Oil is getting expensive because oil might get expensive in the future. No, you didn't misread that. It's a fucking joke of a system, look into it.
You got the entire thing backwards- oil is getting expensive because it will be scarce in the future, and the prices and production today affect production tomorrow. It's basically the market's way of telling us to slow down consumption a bit and expand investment.

[Haffrage]

Also, oil isn't running out THAT fucking badly. Oil is getting expensive because oil might get expensive in the future. No, you didn't misread that. It's a fucking joke of a system, look into it.
You got the entire thing backwards- oil is getting expensive because it will be scarce in the future, and the prices and production today affect production tomorrow. It's basically the market's way of telling us to slow down consumption a bit and expand investment.
That's how textbooks say it works, not how it actually works. Speculators oggle the news and pick any reason they can to get a bit more cash. And why shouldn't they? It's how they make theeir money. If the rest of us wanted cheap gas we should have been speculators.

A quick google had this at the top, no idea if it covers a full explanation vOv

http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.o ... d-the-fed/ (http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2011/04/29/oil-prices-speculators-and-the-fed/)

[James Snowscoran]

Also, oil isn't running out THAT fucking badly. Oil is getting expensive because oil might get expensive in the future. No, you didn't misread that. It's a fucking joke of a system, look into it.
You got the entire thing backwards- oil is getting expensive because it will be scarce in the future, and the prices and production today affect production tomorrow. It's basically the market's way of telling us to slow down consumption a bit and expand investment.
That's how textbooks say it works, not how it actually works. Speculators oggle the news and pick any reason they can to get a bit more cash. And why shouldn't they? It's how they make theeir money. If the rest of us wanted cheap gas we should have been speculators.

A quick google had this at the top, no idea if it covers a full explanation vOv

http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.o ... d-the-fed/ (http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2011/04/29/oil-prices-speculators-and-the-fed/)
You really should take the time to read your own links before posting :razor:

[Haffrage]

45 minutes of shooting and he doesn't know they're coming, yeah alright

I can't handle reading more of your posting after that opening statement, really just fuck that

(Cos you know, he'd be bound to have one lying around)

I mean he's fucking Osama Bin Laden, he can probably conjure C4 out of his fucking beard.

You're a joke.
Okay, I read your posts (on my phone since I still can't sleep for fuck all) and you really don't think osama, out of everyone in the world, osama would have explosives at his disposal

And then you even think I'm all serious and gung ho about this topic :psyduck:

[Haffrage]

[quote=Haffrage]Also, oil isn't running out THAT fucking badly. Oil is getting expensive because oil might get expensive in the future. No, you didn't misread that. It's a fucking joke of a system, look into it.
You got the entire thing backwards- oil is getting expensive because it will be scarce in the future, and the prices and production today affect production tomorrow. It's basically the market's way of telling us to slow down consumption a bit and expand investment.
That's how textbooks say it works, not how it actually works. Speculators oggle the news and pick any reason they can to get a bit more cash. And why shouldn't they? It's how they make theeir money. If the rest of us wanted cheap gas we should have been speculators.

A quick google had this at the top, no idea if it covers a full explanation vOv

http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.o ... d-the-fed/ (http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2011/04/29/oil-prices-speculators-and-the-fed/)
You really should take the time to read your own links before posting :razor:[/quote:30vn8s3w]
I briefly skimmed it :P While it disagrees with my stance, it has the mechanics down. The difference in oil coming in is NOT enough to affect it this goddamn much in such a short time span (no, I do not have links to those figures, but if somebody does and I've been getting the wrong information then post away). Local gas prices fell 20 cents in 2 days, and that was a few days after osama's death so its not like that was the cause. It's fucking ridiculous. While the ideal system might be candy canes and flowers, the reality is disgusting. Now I'm hearing they're all in a price war. Hilarious after the hiking they were doing.

[sassy b]

IANA counter terrism expert but if the reason they shot osama was really because they thought he may be wearing explosives then it seems odd he was shot in the chest instead of obliterating his head de menezes style

[Spooney]

what actually happened:

[youtube:2sd3zpqj]mfF1vkMQ0h0[/youtube:2sd3zpqj]

[James Snowscoran]

[quote=Haffrage]Also, oil isn't running out THAT fucking badly. Oil is getting expensive because oil might get expensive in the future. No, you didn't misread that. It's a fucking joke of a system, look into it.
You got the entire thing backwards- oil is getting expensive because it will be scarce in the future, and the prices and production today affect production tomorrow. It's basically the market's way of telling us to slow down consumption a bit and expand investment.
That's how textbooks say it works, not how it actually works. Speculators oggle the news and pick any reason they can to get a bit more cash. And why shouldn't they? It's how they make theeir money. If the rest of us wanted cheap gas we should have been speculators.

A quick google had this at the top, no idea if it covers a full explanation vOv

http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.o ... d-the-fed/ (http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2011/04/29/oil-prices-speculators-and-the-fed/)
You really should take the time to read your own links before posting :razor:
I briefly skimmed it :P While it disagrees with my stance, it has the mechanics down. The difference in oil coming in is NOT enough to affect it this goddamn much in such a short time span (no, I do not have links to those figures, but if somebody does and I've been getting the wrong information then post away). Local gas prices fell 20 cents in 2 days, and that was a few days after osama's death so its not like that was the cause. It's fucking ridiculous. While the ideal system might be candy canes and flowers, the reality is disgusting. Now I'm hearing they're all in a price war. Hilarious after the hiking they were doing.[/quote:3noga69x]
You do realize this is beginning to resemble Lusulpher quality, right? I'm just going to assume you were high when posting this.

[Frug]

Yo do you guys remember that movie Inglorious Bastards where those special US soldiers went into that foreign country and killed all those officers? That was pretty awesome. I certainly had no issues with that film.

I can't tell if people are trolling, being sarcastic or just truly stupid anymore. So I'm just gona say it.
You do realize that Inglorious Bastards was a satire of exactly that, right?
Very interesting! Do go on. I am intrigued and would like to hear your explanation of what that movie is about. I'm sure it would be absolutely fascinating.

And maybe when you're finished, I can explain to you what Wall meant, as it seems to have eluded you.

[Frug]

IANA counter terrism expert but if the reason they shot osama was really because they thought he may be wearing explosives then it seems odd he was shot in the chest instead of obliterating his head de menezes style
I thought they did shoot him in the head...

[Haffrage]

[quote="James Snowscoran":1s5rdizx][quote=Haffrage]Also, oil isn't running out THAT fucking badly. Oil is getting expensive because oil might get expensive in the future. No, you didn't misread that. It's a fucking joke of a system, look into it.
You got the entire thing backwards- oil is getting expensive because it will be scarce in the future, and the prices and production today affect production tomorrow. It's basically the market's way of telling us to slow down consumption a bit and expand investment.
That's how textbooks say it works, not how it actually works. Speculators oggle the news and pick any reason they can to get a bit more cash. And why shouldn't they? It's how they make theeir money. If the rest of us wanted cheap gas we should have been speculators.

A quick google had this at the top, no idea if it covers a full explanation vOv

http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.o ... d-the-fed/ (http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2011/04/29/oil-prices-speculators-and-the-fed/)
You really should take the time to read your own links before posting :razor:
I briefly skimmed it :P While it disagrees with my stance, it has the mechanics down. The difference in oil coming in is NOT enough to affect it this goddamn much in such a short time span (no, I do not have links to those figures, but if somebody does and I've been getting the wrong information then post away). Local gas prices fell 20 cents in 2 days, and that was a few days after osama's death so its not like that was the cause. It's fucking ridiculous. While the ideal system might be candy canes and flowers, the reality is disgusting. Now I'm hearing they're all in a price war. Hilarious after the hiking they were doing.[/quote:1s5rdizx]
You do realize this is beginning to resemble Lusulpher quality, right? I'm just going to assume you were high when posting this.[/quote:1s5rdizx]
And up at 6 am. Doesn't change my stance that the entire oil industry is brimming with shit, or that the reality of high profit markets is seldom as innocent or sterile as textbooks would teach.

[Loire]

IANA counter terrism expert but if the reason they shot osama was really because they thought he may be wearing explosives then it seems odd he was shot in the chest instead of obliterating his head de menezes style
I thought they did shoot him in the head...

First in the chest then in the forehead. http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/04/bin.laden.main/index.html

Now that he's dead he's a "martyr" if he were tried it would have become a circus until he was killed "legally" and subsequently became a martyr.

[Miep]

Yo do you guys remember that movie Inglorious Bastards where those special US soldiers went into that foreign country and killed all those officers? That was pretty awesome. I certainly had no issues with that film.

I can't tell if people are trolling, being sarcastic or just truly stupid anymore. So I'm just gona say it.
You do realize that Inglorious Bastards was a satire of exactly that, right?
Very interesting! Do go on. I am intrigued and would like to hear your explanation of what that movie is about. I'm sure it would be absolutely fascinating.

And maybe when you're finished, I can explain to you what Wall meant, as it seems to have eluded you.

Uhm can someone tell me what Inglorious Bastards was about? I didnt get the plot.

[Reed Tiburon]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/08/opini ... R_AP_LO_MS (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/08/opinion/08dowd.html?_r=1&src=ISMR_AP_LO_MS)

/thread

[Tellenta]

Yo do you guys remember that movie Inglorious Bastards where those special US soldiers went into that foreign country and killed all those officers? That was pretty awesome. I certainly had no issues with that film.

I can't tell if people are trolling, being sarcastic or just truly stupid anymore. So I'm just gona say it.
You do realize that Inglorious Bastards was a satire of exactly that, right?
Very interesting! Do go on. I am intrigued and would like to hear your explanation of what that movie is about. I'm sure it would be absolutely fascinating.

And maybe when you're finished, I can explain to you what Wall meant, as it seems to have eluded you.

Uhm can someone tell me what Inglorious Bastards was about? I didnt get the plot.
Killin' Nahtzees

[Rans]

Read on BBC that USA told Pakistan that they need to give them a few senior Al-Qaeda figures or the incursions will continue and will increase in number. Also that they need to give USA full access to their intelligence agency.

[Tellenta]

Read on BBC that USA told Pakistan that they need to give them a few senior Al-Qaeda figures or the incursions will continue and will increase in number. Also that they need to give USA full access to their intelligence agency.

Learn them to leak intel we will.

[Melichor]

I remember not long ago when this was the glorious internet win thread of funny pictures, now it is shit, like the other thread turned out to be....wtf

[Frug]

And up at 6 am. Doesn't change my stance that the entire oil industry is brimming with shit, or that the reality of high profit markets is seldom as innocent or sterile as textbooks would teach.
I thought everyone knew that. Of course they swindle and milk money from us. why wouldn't they?

On the one hand it's infuriating. On the other hand, it lets me be ~smug~ around people who bought hummers and other such idiotic suvs when gas was cheaper.

[Kumquat]

I remember not long ago when this was the glorious internet win thread of funny pictures, now it is shit, like the other thread turned out to be....wtf

Because fagots can't help shitting up even a glorious thread. Sigh. :facepalm:

[Wall]

IANA counter terrism expert but if the reason they shot osama was really because they thought he may be wearing explosives then it seems odd he was shot in the chest instead of obliterating his head de menezes style
I thought they did shoot him in the head...

First in the chest then in the forehead. http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/04/bin.laden.main/index.html

Now that he's dead he's a "martyr" if he were tried it would have become a circus until he was killed "legally" and subsequently became a martyr.

We avoided 10 years of trial dates, medical fees, legal costs, incarceration costs, and a probable life sentence by the time they got around to sentencing. Even if he was tried in the states a death penalty would take years, maybe longer, to enact.

If terrorists want trials they can turn themselves in. If we have to dig them out of the foothills then it's all predator drones on the jury.

[Herschel Yamamoto]

Hello, I'm reality. The US is going to be #1 for at least a few more decades yet, you can stop creaming your pants already.
Did I say it wouldn't? No I didn't.
Also the fact that you know I'm canadian and you think I'm creaming my pants at the thought of my country being brought down too just shows how your right wing patriotism nature gets in the way of logic.

Give it 30 years or so.

Plenty of people the world over get entirely too happy by the thought of the US being dethroned, it's hardly an American thing - if anything, America is the country least likely to enjoy the idea.

And on a 30-year horizon I won't rule it out, but I think that every other plausible contender has bigger and more painful structural problems than the US does. China, Japan, and Russia are going to have an average age in the triple digits by then, so they're going to be ruined by paying for pensioners too terribly to do much of anything - Russia might be theoretically able to avoid it with immigration, but the whole Communism 2.0 thing isn't going to be bringing people in by the boatload. India might be a seriously rising power at that point, but 30 years is probably too short a time for them to get wealthy enough to be a proper challenger. A unified Europe might be a counterweight on paper, but they don't think like a world power in any of the important ways, they're not likely to actually properly unify(just look at how much pressure is on the Eurozone, or how much the populations of pretty much all of these countries hate the idea of unification), and they have some serious issues with aging populations, non-assimilating immigrants, and the fact that they speak even more languages than the Indians(which takes some doing).


Am I the only one here outside of the US who doesn't actually mind them being on the top spot.

The US is pretty much the best of a rough old bunch at the moment.

Agreed.


what was the difference between the United states firebombing and nuking japanese and german civilians in the 1940s, and Hitler gassing jews, gypsies, and other ethnicities, same time period?

what was the difference between the United States locking up Innocent citizens of Japanese ancestry, and the Soviets putting people in camps in Siberia?

intent is the entire argument. it feels like a shitty one, considering the damage done, but not without precedent, good people with good intentions have done this before, and we will march down the gold-plated road to hell again. we're human ffs, we suck, we know it. stop beating the dead horse with shit arguments.

If you want to get right down to it, the difference between the bombings and the gassings was that the bombings were an Allied action that damaged Axis war capacity, and the gassings were an Axis action that damaged Axis war capacity. One was ugly and brutal, the other was ugly, brutal, pointless, and retarded. Re the camps, I'd wager a hell of a lot fewer folks died in American camps than Russian ones.


or pull out and stop pissing on the muslim world.

But pissing on the Muslim world is what we do!


Also, oil isn't running out THAT fucking badly. Oil is getting expensive because oil might get expensive in the future. No, you didn't misread that. It's a fucking joke of a system, look into it.

Contango is a beautiful thing.



Also, oil isn't running out THAT fucking badly. Oil is getting expensive because oil might get expensive in the future. No, you didn't misread that. It's a fucking joke of a system, look into it.

Yup...the real criminals are the oil speculators.

One man's criminal is another man's useful public service encouraging conservation of scarce resources. The difference is, of course, that the first man is retarded, and the second man isn't.


Expect oil to hit 200$/barrel in the next 3-5 years.

A barrel of West Texas Intermediate is selling for $98.80 at the moment. Even if we assume 5 years, that's 15% per year appreciation you're predicting, which is to say about three times better than any other reasonable investment. How much of your cash do you have in oil futures/stock right now?

[Frug]

Plenty of people the world over get entirely too happy by the thought of the US being dethroned, it's hardly an American thing - if anything, America is the country least likely to enjoy the idea.
Wow thank you for another insightful random comment courtesy of Herschel Yamamoto.

"you want america to fall"
"what? no I don't, you're retarded"
"Lots of people want america to fall in other countries'
"..."

[Herschel Yamamoto]

You didn't say "No I don't", you said "I'm not American". I'm well aware that you're not American, I just fail to see why you felt the need to raise the point.

[Al Simmons]

Hey guys, did we win the war on turr yet?

[Al Simmons]

Chomsky:

http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/no ... ion_to_os/ (http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/)

[Cassiuss]

Chomsky:

http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/no ... ion_to_os/ (http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/)

Wow, that Gnome Chomsky hippie sure is a retard too eh Frug. :psyduck:


The imperial mentality is so profound, throughout western society, that no one can perceive that they are glorifying bin Laden by identifying him with courageous resistance against genocidal invaders. It’s like naming our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk… It’s as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes “Jew” and “Gypsy.”

[Wall]

Oh look, Chomsky being barely above the debating level of your average forum warrior again.

[Tellenta]

Oh look, Chomsky being barely above the debating level of your average forum warrior again.
He even made a Nazi reference :companioncube:

[Frug]

You didn't say "No I don't", you said "I'm not American". I'm well aware that you're not American, I just fail to see why you felt the need to raise the point.
Jesus mother of...

Of course you fail to see it. Your brain barely functions on any detectable level. Of course when people say things you start playing with your lips and drooling.

You're like a little kid or some kind of ultra conservative "you want to see america collapse!'

Yeeaahh no. But thanks for your hurf blurfing. I could go back and help you parse the implications of what you said and my response so that you might process it on some intelligent level, but what's the point. Now that I'm done dealing with you acting like a baby and throwing a tantrum with this pathetic conservative mantra that people who disagree are rooting for the downfall of Amrica, I have to deal with some douchy liberal who thinks I'm not liberal enough because Chomsky has an opinion.



Chomsky:

http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/no ... ion_to_os/ (http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/)

Wow, that Gnome Chomsky hippie sure is a retard too eh Frug. :psyduck:

You think that my disagreeing with your poorly argued gibberish means I'm disagreeing with someone who can actually properly explain himself? You retard.
See, my telling you to stfu or defend/explain does not mean I'm calling someone whose points I haven't yet read just as stupid as you.

For instance, Chormsky's arguing that there are more moderates who believe Osama wasn't responsible for 9/11 and gives some reasons why this position isn't absolutely crazy. You never once questioned his guilt. Nobody here has.

That said he's sounding a little too ultra left extreme. I like the guy but this is a tad overboard.

[Al Simmons]

For instance, Chormsky's arguing that there are more moderates who believe Osama wasn't responsible for 9/11 and gives some reasons why this position isn't absolutely crazy. You never once questioned his guilt. Nobody here has.

:facepalm:

[Frug]

Oh look, Chomsky being barely above the debating level of your average forum warrior again.
He even made a Nazi reference :companioncube:
It's sad, I liked the guy, but what he's saying in this article is pretty off-putting.

[Frug]

For instance, Chormsky's arguing that there are more moderates who believe Osama wasn't responsible for 9/11 and gives some reasons why this position isn't absolutely crazy. You never once questioned his guilt. Nobody here has.

:facepalm:
You mean the facetious remark that the CIA might have payed him?

Where did you say it in seriousness that I missed it? And did you actually give any evidence?

[Tellenta]

Oh look, Chomsky being barely above the debating level of your average forum warrior again.
He even made a Nazi reference :companioncube:
It's sad, I liked the guy, but what he's saying in this article is pretty off-putting.
It's an opinion piece about something he disagrees with rather strongly. When people want to use the military as a police force (arresting people) you know they are taking a step in to the deepend. I'm not fond of military dictatorships, and the last thing I want is a military in charge of law enforcement.