CCP Bans Innocent Accounts (Fuck you CCP)

[Neoo Gabriel]

So this is what happened.

My eve brosef Ammon Dei has had his both accounts banned because CCP claims to have solid proof his accounts were involved in hacking someone Else's account.

So straight off, he did not hack anybody's account. He did not access anyone else's account. It is not my other RMT accounts getting banned. There are literally dozens of people that could vouch for this persons integrity.

My personal opinion is that CCP doesn't know what the fuck they are doing, he got his computer key logged and some russian used his account to move items.

One of his Corp directors said after the account got banned that none of his capitals or ships form hangar was missing. So I am not sure if he got hacked or if CCP are just being normally incompetent.

They responded to his petition saying they have absolute proof he was involved in hacking accounts. What kind of proof do they use? IP addresses logs? Item transaction logs? I am pretty fucking pissed about this. Could they have valid proof he did something even though he didn't?

The guy is really disappointed CCP has just banned him from nothing and did not even ask him anything or give him a chance to defend himself.

Please help me out here. What can be done?

[Lana Torrin]

What can be done?

Nothing more than you have already done, ie, cry on some forum somewhere.

[Wrack]

It is not my other RMT accounts getting banned.

Am I reading this right? You admit to RMT and want our sympathy regarding a ban, when there's obvious funny business going on?

[Mike deVoid]

All he can ask for as much data as possible from CCP as to what they have used to determine his guilt. Such as date/time, IP used when logged in when the alleged hacking occurred. Get him to ask for everything as to also list as many different items as possible. He should ask for a specific reason to be supplied for any specific declines.

None of us know whether he's guilty or not. And if he's really a brosef and not an RMT alt account (or whatever) then neither do you.

[Tellenta]

So straight off, he did not hack anybody's account. He did not access anyone else's account. It is not my other RMT accounts getting banned. There are literally dozens of people that could vouch for this persons integrity.

My logic hole detector, it went to 11 but it only goes to 10 dear god!!!!!!

edit: I'm going to change this around to how I now read it.


So straight off, I did not hack anybody's account. I did not access anyone else's account. It is not my other RMT accounts getting banned. There are literally dozens of people that could lie about my integrity.

[Neoo Gabriel]

Gee you must be retarded. I said that because I i say "look my friends accounts got banned" it would be followed by "lol your rmt/bot accounts got caught noob" so I preempted it. I don't do RMT, I don't live in some third world country that can afford off living spaceship games.

[Tellenta]

Gee you must be retarded. I said that because I i say "look my friends accounts got banned" it would be followed by "lol your rmt/bot accounts got caught noob" so I preempted it. I don't do RMT, I don't live in some third world country that can afford off living spaceship games.

Your bad for bringing it up then.

[Herschel Yamamoto]

The only bot-banning system with no false positives is the one that doesn't ban anybody. Appeal the decision, and see what happens.

[Neoo Gabriel]

He says on the email they sent they accuse him of being involved on hacking somone else's account. So it wasn't for botting.

[Ammon Dei]

I thank neo for posting the thread, not sure I needed the color full language. :roll: Those that have posted you do not know me. That is correct, but also last I checked in this country your innocent until proven guilty. NOT the other way around. And your also allowed to Defend your actions. I have NO idea what I have done to deserve an immediate and permanent ban. I appreciate the suggestions from Mike DeVoid. Thank you,


I was hoping for possible suggestions as to what to do in response for this action. I can Honestly say I have never logged into some one else account. The frustrating thing is that I have NO information regarding the evidence that led to my accounts being banned. No time date items IP etc etc. Any other suggestions on how to respond? So far I have been polite and patient with CCP, and I am waiting on the response to such questions as was listed by Mike deVoid. I have posted around 4 responses with questions and asking for more clarification of the charges and issues surrounding this incident. So far no response.

Thank you for your help.

[Tarminic]

I thank neo for posting the thread, not sure I needed the color full language. :roll: Those that have posted you do not know me. That is correct, but also last I checked in this country your innocent until proven guilty. NOT the other way around. And your also allowed to Defend your actions. I have NO idea what I have done to deserve an immediate and permanent ban. I appreciate the suggestions from Mike DeVoid.
Except you're not in a country, nor are you subject to laws regarding proof of guilt or innocence. When you agree to the EULA and ToS you are agreeing that you can be banned for any arbitrary reason at any time without any warning - that's generally the way it is for all MMOs.

I was hoping for possible suggestions as to what to do in response for this action. I can Honestly say I have never logged into some one else account. The frustrating thing is that I have NO information regarding the evidence that led to my accounts being banned. No time date items IP etc etc. Any other suggestions on how to respond? So far I have been polite and patient with CCP, and I am waiting on the response to such questions as was listed by Mike deVoid. I have posted around 4 responses with questions and asking for more clarification of the charges and issues surrounding this incident. So far no response.

Thank you for your help.
I think that if your account is banned the best thing you can do is email CCP or file a petition and appeal the ban. It sucks and it's a shitty, inneffficient, slow technique but I don't think you have any other avenues of attack on this one unless you can somehow prove your innocence, and I'm not sure if that's even possible. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than myself can say more on how you might be able to do that.

[Lana Torrin]

That is correct, but also last I checked in this country your innocent until proven guilty.

You are not going to trial in a court of law, you are having your account closed by a company on the grounds that they say so. No proof is required by them as they are simply stopping your service as they can choose to do at any time.

[Neoo Gabriel]

You are right in saying they can ban loyal customers with multiple accounts of multiple years for no reason other than because they can, but then they will have to deal with the repercussions of bad press, loss of revenue from other customers and loss of trust on their competence to deliver a quality and secure product (yeah I pushed it too far on the last one) which will affect their brand name and future earnings.

They don't even ban famous Botters and RMTers but they go out of their way to ban honest customers? What The Fuck is this?

[Lana Torrin]

You are right in saying they can ban loyal customers with multiple accounts of multiple years for no reason other than because they can, but then they will have to deal with the repercussions of bad press, loss of revenue from other customers and loss of trust on their competence to deliver a quality and secure product (yeah I pushed it too far on the last one) which will affect their brand name and future earnings.

They don't even ban famous Botters and RMTers but they go out of their way to ban honest customers? What The Fuck is this?

Good, now we have got the concept that CCP can do whatever thay want to your account out of the way. What do you plan to do about it? If you go down the 'bad press' route then it is unlikely you will ever get your account(s) back.

(Posting on FHC isnt bad press as we already all hate CCP)

Edit: Out of interest, dud you pay for your account exclusivly with PLEX/GTCs?

[Herschel Yamamoto]

Fine, hacker-banning then. In any case, humans are fallible. Much as omnicide may occasionally be tempting, it's really not the answer.

[Ammon Dei]

Tarminic, you are correct, In regards to the EULA, and ToS and I agree with you on the petition for the ban. It is already posted.

And here is the thing. Lets Assume for a min that it is true that I did nothing wrong. (Which is true, believe me or not up to you) And some how either my account was hacked/Hijacked, or my IP/router hacked etc etc. And some one did some malicious stuff in game that was outside of my control. It could happen to ANY ONE OF YOU too!! How would you feel, what would you do in response to losing all of your accounts in EVE today. For NO reason you can think of.

I should at least be able to know what I did, And offered a chance to defend myself. I mean Look at my character in game. I have played this game for YEARS!!!! If this could happen to me, it could happen to any one of you. Would you not like to have at least the opportunity to defend yourself. And your actions?

The appeal petition has already been filed. I hope a speedy response, I truly do. IMO an Innocent person just lost the last several years he put into a game that he loves. For an unknown reason, with little to know explanation as to why. I hope that CCP will do the right thing and at minimum give me some information as to the particulars surrounding the reason for the ban.

I will let you know what I find out. So you can defend yourself from similar action.

Good luck, and Fly deadly.

[Tellenta]

I thank neo for posting the thread, not sure I needed the color full language. :roll: Those that have posted you do not know me. That is correct, but also last I checked in this country your innocent until proven guilty. NOT the other way around. And your also allowed to Defend your actions. I have NO idea what I have done to deserve an immediate and permanent ban. I appreciate the suggestions from Mike DeVoid. Thank you,


I was hoping for possible suggestions as to what to do in response for this action. I can Honestly say I have never logged into some one else account. The frustrating thing is that I have NO information regarding the evidence that led to my accounts being banned. No time date items IP etc etc. Any other suggestions on how to respond? So far I have been polite and patient with CCP, and I am waiting on the response to such questions as was listed by Mike deVoid. I have posted around 4 responses with questions and asking for more clarification of the charges and issues surrounding this incident. So far no response.

Thank you for your help.

CCP is terrible, remember this as you progress in your attempts to get your accounts back. People have been banned for RMT for the simple act of transferring large quantities of their own isk and items from one of their accounts to another. Sadly there is no innocent until proven guilty in this regard, it is more akin to the Spanish Inquisition than a reasonable justice system. The best you can do is keep on them or take advantage of the situation and realize that giving a company your money when they will treat you like this is a terrible idea. I know if I was banned for something I didn't do I would tell them to go fuck themselves. Petition, and escalate are really the only options I've seen work in the past. Threadnaughts and friends bitching about it all over the internet have had mixed results. The people at CCP have feelings to, and if they get even the slightest bit bitter about it you won't get your accounts back or at least any time soon, there is no legal system that attempts to ensure as little bias as possible and a nod towards fairness.

So in summary if you are innocent which I have no reason to doubt you should get your accounts back. Being mature in how you handle it will probably do more to help your cause. It could literally be a typo or a misclick that got your name added to the list of people to be banned. Establishing an us vs. them attitude might be to your detriment if they decide to look in to how they can make you guilty instead of why you are innocent.

Anyways good luck.

[Neoo Gabriel]

[quote="Neoo Gabriel":l1m4tr34]You are right in saying they can ban loyal customers with multiple accounts of multiple years for no reason other than because they can, but then they will have to deal with the repercussions of bad press, loss of revenue from other customers and loss of trust on their competence to deliver a quality and secure product (yeah I pushed it too far on the last one) which will affect their brand name and future earnings.

They don't even ban famous Botters and RMTers but they go out of their way to ban honest customers? What The Fuck is this?

Good, now we have got the concept that CCP can do whatever thay want to your account out of the way. What do you plan to do about it? If you go down the 'bad press' route then it is unlikely you will ever get your account(s) back.

(Posting on FHC isnt bad press as we already all hate CCP)

Edit: Out of interest, dud you pay for your account exclusivly with PLEX/GTCs?[/quote:l1m4tr34]

Me? I pay for all my accounts with credit card on 3 month plans. I don't have the patience to farm fw missions or to learn to play the market enough to live off profit, I already get really tired of missioning every few months to pay for my pvp, I could not for the life of me waste even more time farming or doing market pvp to save 40U$ a month. Ammon? I don't know, probably the same.

So you really think if I was hacking people's accounts or RMTing or botting etc I would create a thread here to cry?

Obviously I don't want my own accounts also banned. Even though I am an ultimate bittervet, I really like the game, an addict just like most of you. So I am hoping this was just another :ccp: moment and the faster they reactivate his accounts with an apology the better. If they don't? Well I haven't really thought about it.

Anyways, its late on the Pacific coast so I will read this again tomorrow, hoping for less trolling and more informative posts with maybe some personal experiences.

[Tellenta]

So you really think if I was hacking people's accounts or RMTing or botting etc I would create a thread here to cry?


It has literally been done before several times.

edit: if someone remembers the RMTers who created several threadnaughts with other accounts and their alts calling in to question everything CCP only to be slammed down in the end with a post from the folks at CCP showing a step by step process on how they are guilty as hell and can link it that would be a great reference on what I mean. I however can't be bothered because effort is hard.

[Ort Lofthus]

Speaking from experience, pretty much everyone who came to SHC bitching about CCP banning their accounts twisted/left out the facts and in fact deserved the ban. There isn't much to go on here other than an allusion to RMT accounts and a blind accusation of "some russian hacked the account to move items," which is the equivalent of "some black dude did it". If I weren't inactive I'd put a bil on this being yet another. :nostradamus:



But in all seriousness, your only real option is to put in an appeal. Keep in mind that they are under no obligation to explain anything, as if you are a dirty hacker it is not in their or their customers' best interests to inform you how they identified you as said dirty hacker. Try to be calm and reasonable when dealing with the petition and you just might get the benefit of the doubt. Go in as an entitled asshole and you are pretty much going to guarantee an uphill struggle.

[Mike deVoid]

To add to what I said before, and what Tellenta said (and from my knowledge of complaint escalation in the banking industry): you will have to follow CCP's complaint/petition procedure at each level. If you don't get what you want, then ask to be escalated ask for more info (if you need more) have it looked at again. Ask them to give you details of their procedures, response timings, policies, etc.

Being polite is better for you and easier to do if you remember that the person likely to be reading and dealing with your complaint wasn't responsible themselves for you being banned. If you play it right, you can get the person dealing with you to act as a friend and ally for you, but that's easier by phone tbh so probably not applicable in this case.

[Lana Torrin]

Or you can take it as a sign and go and play tanks instead....

[Stoffl]

:Registers on FHC just to poast a whine about how his poor innocent buddy got banned:

Yeah we totally haven't seen that one before.

INB4EMBARASSMENT

[Neoo Gabriel]

I've been reading SHC for over two years and cared to post on it last Dec. Site got reset so yeah.

inb4 you eat your words and this is legit.

PS: on the other hand if he turns out to be guilty and lied to all of us [and i REALLY think this is Beyond the Imagination] i will seek him out irl and post pictures of it here.

[Mike deVoid]

Dude, u mad!

Just chill; it's within FHC's nature to be highly cynical and non-caring since half the bittervet community considers themselves internet hardmen. Even if Ammon gets his ban overturned, they'll still be there - asking what he did to get away with it :D.

[Mavolio]

color

Spelt colour like an American.... deserved to lose his account.

[ry ry]

You and your mate have similar writing styles Oddly Enough.

[Tellenta]

You and your mate have similar writing styles Oddly Enough.

Lovers tend to gain the others attributes over time.

edit: sorry going to troll this thread less now.

[Mike deVoid]

No guys, you have it all wrong. Ammon Dei isn't the RMT alt of Neoo Gabriel; it's just Ammon has hacked Neoo Gabriel's account on FHC too! ;)

[Jack bubu]

Could you repost that thread on the official forums?

CCP GM's have a hilarious history about clearing it up and making you a public laughing stick

[Madner Kami]

Speaking from experience, pretty much everyone who came to SHC bitching about CCP banning their accounts twisted/left out the facts and in fact deserved the ban. There isn't much to go on here other than an allusion to RMT accounts and a blind accusation of "some russian hacked the account to move items," which is the equivalent of "some black dude did it". If I weren't inactive I'd put a bil on this being yet another.

Pretty much exactly this. All the "I'm innocent! False accusations! I'm gonna cry till my eyes bleed blabla!", isn't usually raised in public by those, who were accused wrongly. And yes, I do have reason to doubt you or your brosef's innocence, simply because I do not know you and you're $random person on the internet$ #70030019586903, who cries about beeing accused without reason.

[Krugerrand]

considering ccp once banned me because they misspelt the character they were trying to ban, I'm never unsurprised by any incompetence by them

[Tellenta]

Could you repost that thread on the official forums?

CCP GM's have a hilarious history about clearing it up and making you a public laughing stick

Concidering the search words I would have to use to find the thread and the time past (3 years?) I'm going with a you do it.

[killfalcon]

Keep in mind that they are under no obligation to explain anything, as if you are a dirty hacker it is not in their or their customers' best interests to inform you how they identified you as said dirty hacker.

Pretty much this. I mean, if all a hacker needed to do was ask how he was caught and work around that next time, they'd never catch anyone twice.

[Dodgy Past]

If you're from the UK as a last resort you should be able to demand copies of all their records pertaining to you by using the data protection laws, that would at least let you find out what it was they thought you'd done.

I do think they normally do get it right, but I also know of the odd person that has been set up by someone else, petitioned and then at least temp banned.

[Malcanis]

considering ccp once banned me because they misspelt the character they were trying to ban, I'm never unsurprised by any incompetence by them

You have to admit, that is sort of funny in an "as long as it happens to someone else" way.

Eg: The start of Brazil

[Stoffl]

I've been reading SHC for over two years and cared to post on it last Dec. Site got reset so yeah.

inb4 you eat your words and this is legit.



That would really blow my mind, im looking forward to it. :D

[Helicity]

Fine, hacker-banning then. In any case, humans are fallible. Much as omnicide may occasionally be tempting, it's really not the answer.

It may not be the answer, but it certainly is one.

[TimMc]

Could you repost that thread on the official forums?

CCP GM's have a hilarious history about clearing it up and making you a public laughing stick

This. No one cares here. If you are actually innocent I expect either someone was trying to hack your account and CCP chased the victim accidently, or you account shared.

[Durzel]

How likely is it that a random Russian dude hacked this guys account completely out of the blue? That's what I always tend to ask myself when incidents like this come up....

What seems to be the case with threads like this is that some undisclosed fact comes to light which changes the whole intepretation of things - like when someone complains about being banned for hacking when it transpires they'd bought ISK or been involved in some other endeavour contrary to the EULA (e.g. account sharing) and had their account details comprimised that way, and <RMT dude> hacked someone via their account.

I've been playing for nearly 4 years and by some miracle I haven't yet been hacked (or even targeted as far as I can tell) by <random Russian shady guy>. I'm going with Ort Lofthus's "some black dude" hypothesis tbh.

Of course if all of the above is incorrect then all you can really do is keeping pushing CCP until they reveal the exact paper trail they followed to ban the guys account.

[spm1138]

:psyduck:

Well I know Ammon a bit ingame and he's a pretty good bloke - also I don't think he's techie enough to be hacking peoples accounts - but I dunno what registering here to complain about it is supposed to achieve.

My best guess would be he reused a PW on a less than secure forum (most forums tbh).

Petition, escalate and be polite is all I can suggest. In my experience sounding like a calm, mature customer rather than angry kiddie helps a lot. Good luck with your accounts.

[Dodgy Past]

I've been playing for nearly 4 years and by some miracle I haven't yet been hacked (or even targeted as far as I can tell) by <random Russian shady guy>. I'm going with Ort Lofthus's "some black dude" hypothesis tbh.
I've been hacked once, got a suspicion it was because I had the same password as on a forum.

[killfalcon]

I've been playing for nearly 4 years and by some miracle I haven't yet been hacked (or even targeted as far as I can tell) by <random Russian shady guy>. I'm going with Ort Lofthus's "some black dude" hypothesis tbh.
I've been hacked once, got a suspicion it was because I had the same password as on a forum.

My EVE login ID is nothing like any ID I use anywhere else, for exactly this reason. Though I suspect you can probably get the account name if you have the email address and claim to have forgotten your login, so...

[whispous]

Have any of these numerous threads ever turned out with the OP telling the whole truth?

[Tellenta]

Have any of these numerous threads ever turned out with the OP telling the whole truth?

I can think of one or two off hand. However they were posted after the banning, petitions, and restitution's were completed. So it was more of a :psyccp: post.

[Bollox Reader]

I've been playing for nearly 4 years and by some miracle I haven't yet been hacked (or even targeted as far as I can tell) by <random Russian shady guy>. I'm going with Ort Lofthus's "some black dude" hypothesis tbh.
I've been hacked once, got a suspicion it was because I had the same password as on a forum.

My EVE login ID is nothing like any ID I use anywhere else, for exactly this reason. Though I suspect you can probably get the account name if you have the email address and claim to have forgotten your login, so...


Yeah, not that simple. I've tried petitioning occassionally to get my original account back, but I lost all the documentation for that account in a flood. I literally only have the email account and the character's name. He's been sitting in Deep Core Mining since fall of 2003, when my original corp apparently disbanded. Since July 2003 when my computer at the time died, he's been warping through space in a Badger on loan from Vector Heavy Industries, with a load of ore from a mining op one system over. I started a new account when I came back in January 2004, the flood happened in Spring 2004 and my old account info was lost. I didn't think about it until 2005 when I thought it would be cool to show off the 2003 birth date on him, but by then it was too late. My then-roommate had put it on his cc account and I paid him for it, since I didn't have my own. He's since moved out of the country, chasing him down to find out what the cc he used back then would be far more effort than it's worth, if he even has that info still.

If there are GMs who will hand over account info based on character names and account email address, I really want to talk with them. Because so far my annual petition has been declined on the basis of insufficient proof of ownership of the account.

[Mike deVoid]

I've been playing for nearly 4 years and by some miracle I haven't yet been hacked (or even targeted as far as I can tell) by <random Russian shady guy>. I'm going with Ort Lofthus's "some black dude" hypothesis tbh.
I've been hacked once, got a suspicion it was because I had the same password as on a forum.

My EVE login ID is nothing like any ID I use anywhere else, for exactly this reason. Though I suspect you can probably get the account name if you have the email address and claim to have forgotten your login, so...

Yeah, I did that (for throwaway Steam alts accounts that I wanted to reactivate to vote with).

[Malcanis]

Have any of these numerous threads ever turned out with the OP telling the whole truth?

People who are telling the truth dont really have anything to gain by whipping up forum outrage.

[indeterminacy]

Hi, I am 12 years old. What is this?

[Tellenta]

Hi, I am 12 years old. What is this?

child porn.

[Jester]

I dunno. Maybe I read between the lines too much, but I was interested when I read "CCP Bans Innocent Accounts" in the topic.

"I didn't beat my wife with that stick, officer..."

[Ammon Dei]

As I stated before, I believe Neo is just frustrated at the fact that My account could be banned and zero explanation has been given. CCP has given no information through multiple Petitions as to the reason My accounts were locked. NO time, no details, nothing. They were locked, and the only reason given "for accessing another players account and stealing ingame items." Copy and pasted from the letter I received.

I thank Neo for trying to help. I would not have come here were it me. I would keep the petition system running, and try my best to get my accounts back. Or at least get some information out of CCP. To this point I have seen nothing from them but a letter saying my accounts are banned. No explaination nothing. Kind of frustrating to me that they have given me no reason or justification as to how they reached this conclusion that I hacked another individuals account, and stole some items. And give me no details, or justification.

Thank you those that have responded with helpful suggestions. I hope this can be resolved and I can move on. If not I sure hope this does not happen to any one else.

Thanks,

[Tellenta]

As I stated before, I believe Neo is just frustrated at the fact that My account could be banned and zero explanation has been given. CCP has given no information through multiple Petitions as to the reason My accounts were locked. NO time, no details, nothing. They were locked, and the only reason given "for accessing another players account and stealing ingame items." Copy and pasted from the letter I received.

I thank Neo for trying to help. I would not have come here were it me. I would keep the petition system running, and try my best to get my accounts back. Or at least get some information out of CCP. To this point I have seen nothing from them but a letter saying my accounts are banned. No explaination nothing. Kind of frustrating to me that they have given me no reason or justification as to how they reached this conclusion that I hacked another individuals account, and stole some items. And give me no details, or justification.

Thank you those that have responded with helpful suggestions. I hope this can be resolved and I can move on. If not I sure hope this does not happen to any one else.

Thanks,

Don't give up, I've seen the same CCP reactions when they locked accounts that were hacked or raised a flag (whatever those flags are). They get tight lipped and give very little feed back until the account is unlocked and returned to the rightful owner. Regardless of whether they think you are the rightful owner their responses will be the akin to your inquiries being from a third party, this doesn't mean they are not listening to you.

All you really know is that something happened in the "for accessing another players account and stealing ingame items." realms of on-line game shittery. It is entirely possible someone got access to your account and used you as a funnel, why someone would do that is beyond me but strange world is strange man. It's more likely you possibly bought something that was stolen from a hacked account and you got swept up in the whirlwind of asset tracking. Or you got busted for buying shit from a RMT site, or you got busted for buying something someone bought from a RMT site. Who knows the possibilities are limitless when taking in to account guilt by associations.

When/if you get your account back you might never even know. Shit situation is shit.

[Traxio Nacho]

Would going to CCP IA do any good?

Unrelated but on the topic of GM's I logged onto an account I hadn't been on for some weeks and noticed an eve mail from someone asking for a few hundred mil they had sent me by mistake, I checked my wallet and noticed I didn't even have that much in my wallet and thus thought it was a scam.

So checked wallet journal and noticed they had sent me money and a GM a only a couple of hours later had taken the isk back out of my wallet and handed it back, is that normal for a GM to do?

I can't remember if the account was active at the time so that might be why they GM acted in that way, I remember many years ago when I did a similar thing myself, I was told they couldn't interfere due to not knowing if I had agreed to give them isk and basically told Eve was harsh and to be more careful in the future.

[Loire]

Have any of these numerous threads ever turned out with the OP telling the whole truth?

People who are telling the truth dont really have anything to gain by whipping up forum outrage.

And yet the do it all the time.

[Nicho Void]

Accept the ban. Stop playing shit game. Save $15 a month.

:bittervet:

[EntroX]

ccp's ban first-ask later policy usually works even tho its pretty gay.

if you are really innocent, argue your point with them and you should be fine vOv

[Frug]

Oh look some retard posting for some other retard to whine about CCP banning the second retard.

Frankly CCP should ban both you retards just so we get to hear more stupidity from you.


Speaking from experience, pretty much everyone who came to SHC bitching about CCP banning their accounts twisted/left out the facts and in fact deserved the ban.
This.

Also if your claims are true, stfu because we can't help you, and save $15 a month by leaving.

[Kalnov]

I remember one time one of my eve-friends managed to piss some dude off so badly that the dude bought 20$ of RMT isk and had it delivered to my friend's character in an attempt to ban him.

However since he exclusively trolls forums and rarely logs in, he didn't even know he had it until he checked his logs.

[Helen]

Ask for the proof of what was supposed to have occured they give details.
Well they did for me, good luck.

Also I've been temp banned a couple times for shifting isk between alts of mine, same email and everything for both accounts...

Also why is it always if someone is hacked its a Russian? wtf.

[Dark 0men]

I, too, would like some sympathy for being banned. plz

[Catari Taga]

I, too, would like some sympathy for being banned. plz
9 accounts? So you were either in the RMT business or should thank CCP for giving you your life back. ;)

[Tellenta]

Ask for the proof of what was supposed to have occured they give details.
Well they did for me, good luck.

Also I've been temp banned a couple times for shifting isk between alts of mine, same email and everything for both accounts...

Also why is it always if someone is hacked its a Russian? wtf.

Blaming China for everything got boring, gotta change it up sometimes.

[GiDiYi]

Blaming China for everything got boring, gotta change it up sometimes.

I blame the Tea Party. I have conclusive and undisputable proof that their smear-campaign against certain highprofile US-politicians who happen to be president of said state is indeed funded exclusively by RMT in MMO's, the mainsource of income being actually the korean market, but there is a special department dedicated for icelandic business internally.

You heard it here first. PM me for the proof.

Actually don't PM me. I don't even know how PM work on this forum.

[Tellenta]

Blaming China for everything got boring, gotta change it up sometimes.

I blame the Tea Party. I have conclusive and undisputable proof that their smear-campaign against certain highprofile US-politicians who happen to be president of said state is indeed funded exclusively by RMT in MMO's, the mainsource of income being actually the korean market, but there is a special department dedicated for icelandic business internally.

You heard it here first. PM me for the proof.

Actually don't PM me. I don't even know how PM work on this forum.

You push the pm button and type. Also good to hear someone is keeping an eye on Iceland. They're terrorists after all.

[Lana Torrin]

I remember one time one of my eve-friends managed to piss some dude off so badly that the dude bought 20$ of RMT isk and had it delivered to my friend's character in an attempt to ban him.

However since he exclusively trolls forums and rarely logs in, he didn't even know he had it until he checked his logs.

Had this happen to me once. Petitioned CCP to investigate because it was obvious what had happened. A month later a GM gave me the all clear and I sent a nice thankyou mail to the person that had sent it to me. Unfortunately no tears..

[joe space]

this happened to me a while back. my accounts were hacked via a key logger. whoever they were did some weird shit (also, didn't really mess with assets other than liquid isk. CCP perma banned me. i sent a bunch of pissed off petitions and they gave me my accounts back after almost a month because they had figured out through ip addresses that it was someone else. it happened again, same shit, and took a couple weeks to get the accounts back.

i don't know anything really about their investigative process and when i asked they said they couldn't tell me, for obvious reasons.

sorry not more help

[Bacchanalian]

If you're from the UK.

Makes no difference where you are, the EULA clearly states that any court-related actions taken against CCP or legal issues that anyone wishes to bring against them will be arbitrated in the Reykjavik district/regional/whatever courts under Icelandic law. So unless you can find something in Icelandic law, you're boned.

[Catari Taga]

If you're from the UK.

Makes no difference where you are, the EULA clearly states that any court-related actions taken against CCP or legal issues that anyone wishes to bring against them will be arbitrated in the Reykjavik district/regional/whatever courts under Icelandic law. So unless you can find something in Icelandic law, you're boned.
Makes no difference what they write into their EULA, at least if you're from the EU.

[Mavolio]

They could put that you have to hand deliver any legal complaint to the moon in the EULA it doesn't make it law. The servers are in the UK and they have a UK office. If you needed to do some thing legal that should be good enough to make it so you can do any thing legal here.

[Ben Derindar]

Lets Assume for a min that it is true that I did nothing wrong. (Which is true, believe me or not up to you) And some how either my account was hacked/Hijacked, or my IP/router hacked etc etc. And some one did some malicious stuff in game that was outside of my control. It could happen to ANY ONE OF YOU too!! How would you feel, what would you do in response to losing all of your accounts in EVE today. For NO reason you can think of.
At this stage of my Eve career, I'd probably feel relieved. :cut:

[Melichor]

That is correct, but also last I checked in this country your innocent until proven guilty.

Let me introduce you to the Patriot Act

[Lana Torrin]

They could put that you have to hand deliver any legal complaint to the moon in the EULA it doesn't make it law. The servers are in the UK and they have a UK office. If you needed to do some thing legal that should be good enough to make it so you can do any thing legal here.

What have they done thats illegal? They have stopped supplying you with a service, which they can do at any time as per the agreement you 'signed' when you joined up. They are not required by law to provide said service to anyone. In fact the only legal complaint that you might have is they didnt refund your monies for the outstanding time on your account, and if you paid with isk you wouldnt even have that complaint.

Like I said before, if you go down the legal or bad press pathways, you are never playing the game again.

[Neoo Gabriel]

I thought about writing some pretty nice responses to the trolls and haters but I am now too lazy to do it.

Thank you for sharing your eve vacation stories, I really liked the "banned because of a typo" one. :psyccp:

It just seems so retarded that they take a month to look up ip logs to clear accounts that have been clearly hacked. :psycsm: :psycsm: :psycsm:

So, update time.

Ammon says he was banned because he accepted like 7 navy megas in dodixie from someone giving ships away in local. GM says those ships came from a hacked account therefore Ammon did it!

TO CCP RECEIVING SHIPS FROM PEOPLE FOR FREE MEANS YOU ARE HACKING THEIR ACCOUNTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp:

Hahahha this is so absurd, he has the logs and everything of the guy giving ships away in local, its retarded.

Do you want to know who is the GM involved in this brilliance of an investigation? More so, would this be a problem is I said it here for ammon? Would he get in trouble?

[Leboe]

stop hacking people's accounts faggot

[Raz]

***A bunch of stupid crap***

Great, way to overuse the psyduck. I was rather fond of the CCP Psyduck and now whenever I see it I'm going to be reminded of your idiocy. :guinness:

[Lana Torrin]

I thought about writing some pretty nice responses to the trolls and haters but I am now too lazy to do it.

Thank you for sharing your eve vacation stories, I really liked the "banned because of a typo" one. :psyccp:

It just seems so retarded that they take a month to look up ip logs to clear accounts that have been clearly hacked. :psycsm: :psycsm: :psycsm:

So, update time.

Ammon says he was banned because he accepted like 7 navy megas in dodixie from someone giving ships away in local. GM says those ships came from a hacked account therefore Ammon did it!

TO CCP RECEIVING SHIPS FROM PEOPLE FOR FREE MEANS YOU ARE HACKING THEIR ACCOUNTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp:

Hahahha this is so absurd, he has the logs and everything of the guy giving ships away in local, its retarded.

Do you want to know who is the GM involved in this brilliance of an investigation? More so, would this be a problem is I said it here for ammon? Would he get in trouble?

I'm sure the account that got banned that did belong to the hackers for the same reason is also claiming that he received the ships and isk from some random guy in local and he is also innocent.

Give CCP some time to work through the whole thing and im sure it will be sorted out. Do not expect it to take less than a month.

[Neoo Gabriel]

This is such a ridiculous argument.

So say I go for a weekend on the east cost, log into eve on my laptop, change contact information on the account, and for example say I hate Furb for his terrible posting, so I wire 20bil isk from my account (or all of it). Then I get back home and petition ccp and say someone "hacked" my account.

CCP returns all the isk and bans Furb because HE CLEARLY HACKED MY ACCOUNT BECAUSE HE SUDDENLY HAS ALL MY MONEY THEREFORE HE IS GUILTY. PERMABANNED.

If ccp clearly checked the ip logs they would see it wasn't furb.

Its essentially the same thing here.

Edit: I'd just like to say that the GMs have been very forthcoming with information on their communications about it, so its not like they just ignored it, but it's already been 5 days.

[Lana Torrin]

This is such a ridiculous argument.

So say I go for a weekend on the east cost, log into eve on my laptop, change contact information on the account, and for example say I hate Furb for his terrible posting, so I wire 20bil isk from my account (or all of it). Then I get back home and petition ccp and say someone "hacked" my account.

CCP returns all the isk and bans Furb because HE CLEARLY HACKED MY ACCOUNT BECAUSE HE SUDDENLY HAS ALL MY MONEY THEREFORE HE IS GUILTY. PERMABANNED.

If ccp clearly checked the ip logs they would see it wasn't furb.

Its essentially the same thing here.

First off you would find that every account involved (including yours) gets banned until its sorted out. No one will be logging in until the investigation is completed. Secondly CCP will not duplicate isk or items, so they only way you are getting something back is if it gets taken from the other person. And thirdly yes they will check IP logs, but if you think a hacker is going to be logged in to 2 accounts from the same IP when he does the transfer then you are an idiot.

CCP will sort this shit out. I have yet to hear of anyone getting perma-banned without a good reason and while it looks like you have been perma-banned now, you havent, its a temp ban while things get sorted out.

[GreenYoshi]

I'm noticing quite a few :psyccp: stories here, but no good ones. I know, I know, :bittervets:, but still...

My main account was hacked six months ago. My password was unique, and I was using AVG, so I figured I was relatively safe, but when I went to log on it wouldn't let me in. I checked the Eve Online site, and sure enough, I had been banned.

First thing I did was make a trial account to send in a petition. It was a pretty nerve-wracking 24 hours, but I received a timely response from a CCP employee informing me that they had detected an IP address with a history of hacking accessing my accounts. As soon as this were detected, my account was immediately banned. The hacker had no chance to steal anything.

Once my ownership of the account was verified, the CCP person unlocked it, changed my password and asked me to change my e-mail address, as well. He also gave me a list of virus and malware scanners, which was useful to me since I'm a bit of a computer noob.

I know that there are a ton of people out there who feel a bit screwed by the system, but in my case, CCP got everything right. :fluttershy-yay:

[Maximillian]

One of my three accounts back in the day when I subbed got banned. The reason given? No Reason - the notification actually said that.

Couple of petitions and two weeks later account was unbanned. The reason given? No Reason - so at least CCP is consistant sometimes.

[Lana Torrin]

One of my three accounts back in the day when I subbed got banned. The reason given? No Reason - the notification actually said that.

Couple of petitions and two weeks later account was unbanned. The reason given? No Reason - so at least CCP is consistant sometimes.

No Reason = lols.

[Mike deVoid]

One of my three accounts back in the day when I subbed got banned. The reason given? No Reason - the notification actually said that.

Couple of petitions and two weeks later account was unbanned. The reason given? No Reason - so at least CCP is consistant sometimes.
:D

[Stoffl]

...
Ammon says he was banned because he accepted like 7 navy megas in dodixie from someone giving ships away in local. GM says those ships came from a hacked account therefore Ammon did it!

TO CCP RECEIVING SHIPS FROM PEOPLE FOR FREE MEANS YOU ARE HACKING THEIR ACCOUNTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp: :psyccp:.
.......

jebus...stop being so daft, it's obvious that they're investigating..this reeks like RMT it's not even funny

[gert]

I thought about writing some pretty nice responses to the trolls and haters but I am now too lazy to do it.

Thank you for sharing your eve vacation stories, I really liked the "banned because of a typo" one. :psyccp:

It just seems so retarded that they take a month to look up ip logs to clear accounts that have been clearly hacked. ...

So, update time.

Ammon says he was banned because he accepted like 7 navy megas in dodixie from someone giving ships away in local. GM says those ships came from a hacked account therefore Ammon did it!

TO CCP RECEIVING SHIPS FROM PEOPLE FOR FREE MEANS YOU ARE HACKING THEIR ACCOUNTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...

Hahahha this is so absurd, he has the logs and everything of the guy giving ships away in local, its retarded.

Do you want to know who is the GM involved in this brilliance of an investigation? More so, would this be a problem is I said it here for ammon? Would he get in trouble?

Troll was going pretty strong, but I think you overdid it here. FOAD.

[Tellenta]

Ammon says he was banned because he accepted like 7 navy megas in dodixie from someone giving ships away in local. GM says those ships came from a hacked account therefore Ammon did it!


STOP! *flashing*

If you can not see why he got mixed up in the hacked account thing you really really need to step back and realize you are way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way to emotionally involved in this game to see reason and need professional help. Does it suck? Yes! However for the love of all thing right and true in this world shut the fuck up, also I prefer your friends posting he's much better at not being an irrational mouth breathing faggot.

[spm1138]

I'm noticing quite a few :psyccp: stories here, but no good ones. I know, I know, :bittervets:, but still...

My main account was hacked six months ago. My password was unique, and I was using AVG, so I figured I was relatively safe, but when I went to log on it wouldn't let me in. I checked the Eve Online site, and sure enough, I had been banned.

First thing I did was make a trial account to send in a petition. It was a pretty nerve-wracking 24 hours, but I received a timely response from a CCP employee informing me that they had detected an IP address with a history of hacking accessing my accounts. As soon as this were detected, my account was immediately banned. The hacker had no chance to steal anything.

Once my ownership of the account was verified, the CCP person unlocked it, changed my password and asked me to change my e-mail address, as well. He also gave me a list of virus and malware scanners, which was useful to me since I'm a bit of a computer noob.

I know that there are a ton of people out there who feel a bit screwed by the system, but in my case, CCP got everything right. :fluttershy-yay:

So did you ever find out how your PW got compromised?

[Lallante]

[quote="Dodgy Past":2vlyh78s]If you're from the UK.

Makes no difference where you are, the EULA clearly states that any court-related actions taken against CCP or legal issues that anyone wishes to bring against them will be arbitrated in the Reykjavik district/regional/whatever courts under Icelandic law. So unless you can find something in Icelandic law, you're boned.
Makes no difference what they write into their EULA, at least if you're from the EU.[/quote:2vlyh78s]

Bollocks.

[Lallante]

They could put that you have to hand deliver any legal complaint to the moon in the EULA it doesn't make it law. The servers are in the UK and they have a UK office. If you needed to do some thing legal that should be good enough to make it so you can do any thing legal here.

Contract Law doesn't work like that

[Rakshasa The Cat]

He 'forgot' to mention getting 7 navy penises from a random dude in local? lol

Next time make sure you include those kinds of details in the initial troll post to make it believable.

[whispous]

HI


SO BASICALLY

CCP OWNS YOUR ACCOUNT AND CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH IT, WHENEVER THEY WANT, WITH ANY REASON THEY WANT.

so stop talking about legal stuff.

[killfalcon]

They could put that you have to hand deliver any legal complaint to the moon in the EULA it doesn't make it law. The servers are in the UK and they have a UK office. If you needed to do some thing legal that should be good enough to make it so you can do any thing legal here.

Contract Law doesn't work like that

I don't think you can legally opt out of the Data Protection Act. I'm pretty sure that having identifiable customer data binds you to it.

[Madner Kami]

I know that there are a ton of people out there who feel a bit screwed by the system, but in my case, CCP got everything right. :fluttershy-yay:

Well, let them feel that way, because it's the most sensible approach to a possible situation, like a hacked account or RMT-white-whasing and the like. As long as the suspected accounts are open, they're open for further abuse and the work stockpiles further and further, making the investigation even more tedious and lenghty, for no good reason.
Also, in situations like these, it's not usually just one account which is subject to the investigation, so it's quite possible that a lenghty investigatin takes long, because one of the involved account-owners is not reacting and hence cross-checking testifications might take some time.

@Psyduck-abuser: Dude, you're a moron.

[Dodgy Past]

They could put that you have to hand deliver any legal complaint to the moon in the EULA it doesn't make it law. The servers are in the UK and they have a UK office. If you needed to do some thing legal that should be good enough to make it so you can do any thing legal here.

Contract Law doesn't work like that
The Data Protection act is not contract law, and at the least applies to any entity that does business in the UK. Since CCP actually has the servers in the UK it would be easy enough for them to be completely shut down if they refused to comply.

[Malcanis]

One of my three accounts back in the day when I subbed got banned. The reason given? No Reason - the notification actually said that.

Couple of petitions and two weeks later account was unbanned. The reason given? No Reason - so at least CCP is consistant sometimes.

You almost have to admire that.

[Malcanis]

I remember one time one of my eve-friends managed to piss some dude off so badly that the dude bought 20$ of RMT isk and had it delivered to my friend's character in an attempt to ban him.

However since he exclusively trolls forums and rarely logs in, he didn't even know he had it until he checked his logs.

Had this happen to me once. Petitioned CCP to investigate because it was obvious what had happened. A month later a GM gave me the all clear and I sent a nice thankyou mail to the person that had sent it to me. Unfortunately no tears..

Why does stuff like that never happen to me? :(

I need to work harder on pissing people off.

[dr axler]

to all those screaming eula:"you own nothing", hasn't there been occasions where people actually went to court and the eula didn't stand?

[Stoffl]

I, too, remember the EU going "lolMS, fuck your EULA"

But I can't remember the legal details, lollante is a lawyer and maybe he's not trolling...

[Malcanis]

Not all clauses in the EULA are equivalent. The EULA is basically CCP say "We will do business with you on these terms, fuck off if you dont like it".

So long as these terms dont infringe on established rights, then a court is likely to uphold them. Terms like "We reserve the right to have your golden-haired niece raped by baboons if we catch you macroing" are unlikely to be upheld by courts, as your golden-haired niece has an intrinsic right not to be gang banged by baboons.

Since you have no intrinsic legal right to access CCP's server, then I doubt any court would deny their right to bar you from accessing their property. At most they might make CCP refund the value of any remaining subscription time.

In short, the EULA can't really force *you* to do anything, but the parts of the EULA concerning what *CCP* are willing to do are the ones that you can't do much about.

Since CCP do business int he UK, I would expect them to be subject to the Data Protection Act. They are allowed to charge an administration fee for providing requested information, though.

IANAL.

[Stoffl]

So long as these terms dont infringe on established rights, then a court is likely to uphold them. Terms like "We reserve the right to have your golden-haired niece raped by baboons if we catch you macroing" are unlikely to be upheld by courts, as your golden-haired niece has an intrinsic right not to be gang banged by baboons. .

lol'd IRL

Try explaining that one to your work colleagues...

[Catari Taga]

They could put that you have to hand deliver any legal complaint to the moon in the EULA it doesn't make it law. The servers are in the UK and they have a UK office. If you needed to do some thing legal that should be good enough to make it so you can do any thing legal here.

Contract Law doesn't work like that
Yes, it does, it's called consumer protection, you cannot easily contract their legal venue away from them.

[Dodgy Past]

lollante ......... maybe he's not trolling...
Does not compute

[Lana Torrin]

The derp in this thread is becoming too much for it to contain....

[Tellenta]

The derp in this thread is becoming too much for it to contain....

It's my pet thread for prolonged plus ones, I like it.

[spiralJunkie]

Please help me out here. What can be done?

fuck all sunshine

you can realise this is CCP's playground and they can do what they want

[Caius Sivaris]

Please help me out here. What can be done?

fuck all sunshine

you can realise this is CCP's playground and they can do what they want

Wrong, he can unsubscribe, and be clear to CCP as why he's doing it. That's actually the one and only way you got to pressure CCP. If enough people cancel over CCP constant fucks up they will either fix their process or go bankrupt, any of which is better than what we have now...

[Stoffl]

Or bad press, they usually respond to that in some way.

Which obviously won't work in this case..

[spiralJunkie]

[quote="Neoo Gabriel":3px551cs]

Please help me out here. What can be done?

fuck all sunshine

you can realise this is CCP's playground and they can do what they want

Wrong, he can unsubscribe, and be clear to CCP as why he's doing it. That's actually the one and only way you got to pressure CCP. If enough people cancel over CCP constant fucks up they will either fix their process or go bankrupt, any of which is better than what we have now...[/quote:3px551cs]

yes, telling MMO companies you and your 9008 friends are unsubbing is really effective

[Tellenta]

Or bad press, they usually respond to that in some way.

Which obviously won't work in this case..

Sure it will, everyone will believe in his innocence when they hear about how an evil hacker stole navy megas from someone and gave them to him for free. No one will attach him to the hacker or RMT at all because people give several billions of isk away for free to some random person all the damn time. Clearly CCP is way out of line here.

[killfalcon]

[quote="Neoo Gabriel":1n91jowm]

Please help me out here. What can be done?

fuck all sunshine

you can realise this is CCP's playground and they can do what they want

Wrong, he can unsubscribe, and be clear to CCP as why he's doing it. That's actually the one and only way you got to pressure CCP. If enough people cancel over CCP constant fucks up they will either fix their process or go bankrupt, any of which is better than what we have now...[/quote:1n91jowm]

How do you unsubscribe when you're permabanned? "You can't fire me, I quit!" doesn't work too well when they had security escort you out of the building a week ago.

Mind you, quitting is a good idea if youre unhappy with the company. That shit does add up, as the sub numbers over the last six months show. :18 months: cost CCP a decent pile of money overall.

[Dray]

3 pages in we find out you were accepting free navy megas, which to be brutally honest stinks of RMT, as for people getting temp bans for moving isk on their acc's all I can say is I've moved and still do move amounts in billions, sometimes tens of billions, between my accounts regularly and have never even been questioned over it, let alone temp banned.

In fact on 2 occasions I've known m8's get perm bans where they claimed innocence both were guilty, at the time me and others were pissed about the treatment they received only to look foolish later.

On the face of it I find it hard to believe you're innocent but I could be wrong, all I'm saying is if I had to put money on it I'd be betting against you.

[Tellenta]

3 pages in we find out you were accepting free navy megas, which to be brutally honest stinks of RMT, as for people getting temp bans for moving isk on their acc's all I can say is I've moved and still do move amounts in billions, sometimes tens of billions, between my accounts regularly and have never even been questioned over it, let alone temp banned.

In fact on 2 occasions I've known m8's get perm bans where they claimed innocence both were guilty, at the time me and others were pissed about the treatment they received only to look foolish later.

On the face of it I find it hard to believe you're innocent but I could be wrong, all I'm saying is if I had to put money on it I'd be betting against you.

I've done the same things and never gotten banned, I do however know it's happened. Full with the whoopsadaisy our bad feedback from :psyccp: . It usually happens when CCP is doing their unholy rage thing against RMTers.

[Bartholomeus Crane]

Strange game, the only way to win is not to play ...

[Tarminic]

No guys I didn't buy ISK, I just accepted 7 free navy megathrons this guy in local was giving away. Happens all the time, right?

Did the contract text read "YOU HAVE SHIP NAOW" or "HAHA FREE SHIP YOU NOT ISK BUY CUSTOMER"?

[Dodgy Past]

Sure it will, everyone will believe in his innocence when they hear about how an evil hacker stole navy megas from someone and gave them to him for free. No one will attach him to the hacker or RMT at all because people give several billions of isk away for free to some random person all the damn time. Clearly CCP is way out of line here.
Considering the fact that the double your isk scams have worked often enough that they're still popular there must be some retards out there who wouldn't think to accept and then immediately petition the ships to make sure they're legit.

[Grarr Dexx]

Alright, so going with your story here, you accept seven navy megathrons from a stranger in local, and you don't find anything strange about this? No petitions to verify legitimacy or anything? Your story is so full of holes it could pass off as swiss cheese.

[FatFreddy]

Tell "your friend" I'll glade take those navy megas off his hand to help him dispel the allegations.

[z0de]

Didn't read thread

ha ha op stop botting/rmting

[Catari Taga]

Pretty sure this thread is a troll, you can't really be that dumb.

[Tellenta]

Pretty sure this thread is a troll, you can't really be that dumb.

Are you new to the human race?

[Catari Taga]

Na, just a question of probability, he can write whole sentences and liberally uses CAPITAL LETTERS to make a point, reeks of troll.

[Malcanis]

Poe's Law.

[Space Panda]

http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.ph ... !%29/page4 (http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?8129-LowSec-The-Gayest-Sec-%28but-it-doesn-t-have-to-be!%29/page4)

same guy made the last post in this thread. i don't think he is trolling, as his questionable thought process is apparent in almost all of his posts. unless he's really that dedicated of a troll, i think it's just simply safe to assume he's another idiot who plays eve.

[Lithia Tsanov]

1: Appeal the ban via petition
2: Contact a CSM rep, file a claiim
3: Contact the BBB, file a claim
4: If CCP bills you after the ban, contact your CC company, file a claim.

Lith

[EntroX]

3: Contact the BBB, file a claim

bed bath & beyond? :monocledowns:

[Evelgrivion]

3: Contact the BBB, file a claim

bed bath & beyond? :monocledowns:

That amused me far more than it should have.

[Bollox Reader]

Yes, it does, it's called consumer protection, you cannot easily contract their legal venue away from them.

Actually, this does not hold true in the US anymore. If the agreement calls for "binding arbitration' rather than lawsuits, then they can just specify "arbitration in Iceland" to resolve all disputes, and by agreeing to the subscription you have legally signed away your right to sue in the US. You MUST accept arbitration in Iceland by whatever company CCP selects and pays off.

I haven't read the EULA in quite a while so no idea if it has an arbitration section, but I'll bet every company out there is revising their EULAs and subscriber contracts to put it in if they don't already. The last vestiges of consumer rights in the US are going right down the toilet, since just about everything worthwhile these days requires a service contract.

[Catari Taga]

That practice is not exactly new in the US, but now with the Supreme Court signing off on it'll surely get a boost. In the EU we have codified law to protect consumers from that, which EU courts will apply as long as the company has an office somewhere in the EU.

[Lana Torrin]

So this thread still hasnt died under the weight of its own derp then? Damn....

[Catari Taga]

Not much else going on and it's easily more exciting than Captain's Quarters. ;)

[Ammon Dei]

First off, no response today from the GM's

Again Thank you those that have offered suggestions on how to take care of this situation. Like I said before, I thank Neo for posting looking for suggestions. And perhaps he needed to vent a bit, since this could happen to any one.

Frankly to those that think I am guilty until proven innocent. I sure hope that some day you are not on the receiving end of something like this for your accounts. It truly sucks to be in this position, knowing you did nothing wrong and unable to do any thing about it. This is the internet, you do not know me from Adam. I could be trolling you, I could Lie through my teeth to you here, and you can believe or not.

I think the real reason Neo posted here to vent. Is because He does know me, he knows what kind of person I am in game. How I act, how I treat people, and project myself in game. It happens to people that have been on voice coms for the past 2+ years. You find out a lot about the type of people you play with. I believe this is why he came here to vent, and ask for suggestions. I appreciate that, Thank you Neo for trying to help.

Frankly, it does not bother me that some try and troll me or this thread. One of my buddies in game who is also watching this reminded me of something. The GM's deal with this kind of stuff day in and day out. Kind of like a Police officer. If you see enough slime filth, and crime. Eventually you begin to look at every one in that kind of situation. Well he must be a cheat and a liar, because the last 10 people had the same story, and every one of those cases ended up the same.

At the end of the day, you can either believe me or don't. It doesn't really matter one way or the other. What matters is in this instance. I have been accused of hacking an account, steeling items, and transferring it to my own account. Here is the thing I did not do this. At this point, I will continue the Petition process, and either they will give me my accounts back, or they won't. At this stage, I will not start over in eve. If I do not receive my accounts back. I will probably just wait for the next game to come along and move forward. Bottom line the only way I can voice my displeasure at the treatment I have been given, is to ensure they do not get any more of my money. And educate my friends to not make the same mistake I did.

Ammon - Guilty of accepting in game items from a total stranger

[Sofia Roseburn]

Machiavellian game mastery. What's not to like?

[Catari Taga]

What matters is in this instance. I have been accused of hacking an account, steeling items, and transferring it to my own account. Here is the thing I did not do this.
Well, look at it this way, if your account got hacked and your items transferred to someone else, would you not want that the receiver's account got frozen right away while the matter is investigated? Sucks if you really are innocent but should clear itself up eventually.

Besides, it's only a real ban if they IP ban you and refuse to talk to you ever after (but damn, I really wanted my name in the word filter, too, I was so close :lol:).

[Dray]

First off, no response today from the GM's

Again Thank you those that have offered suggestions on how to take care of this situation. Like I said before, I thank Neo for posting looking for suggestions. And perhaps he needed to vent a bit, since this could happen to any one.

Frankly to those that think I am guilty until proven innocent. I sure hope that some day you are not on the receiving end of something like this for your accounts. It truly sucks to be in this position, knowing you did nothing wrong and unable to do any thing about it. This is the internet, you do not know me from Adam. I could be trolling you, I could Lie through my teeth to you here, and you can believe or not.

I think the real reason Neo posted here to vent. Is because He does know me, he knows what kind of person I am in game. How I act, how I treat people, and project myself in game. It happens to people that have been on voice coms for the past 2+ years. You find out a lot about the type of people you play with. I believe this is why he came here to vent, and ask for suggestions. I appreciate that, Thank you Neo for trying to help.

Frankly, it does not bother me that some try and troll me or this thread. One of my buddies in game who is also watching this reminded me of something. The GM's deal with this kind of stuff day in and day out. Kind of like a Police officer. If you see enough slime filth, and crime. Eventually you begin to look at every one in that kind of situation. Well he must be a cheat and a liar, because the last 10 people had the same story, and every one of those cases ended up the same.

At the end of the day, you can either believe me or don't. It doesn't really matter one way or the other. What matters is in this instance. I have been accused of hacking an account, steeling items, and transferring it to my own account. Here is the thing I did not do this. At this point, I will continue the Petition process, and either they will give me my accounts back, or they won't. At this stage, I will not start over in eve. If I do not receive my accounts back. I will probably just wait for the next game to come along and move forward. Bottom line the only way I can voice my displeasure at the treatment I have been given, is to ensure they do not get any more of my money. And educate my friends to not make the same mistake I did.

Ammon - Guilty of accepting in game items from a total stranger

As I said in my post if I had to bet it would be against you, CCP do get it wrong but something here just doesn't smell right. I hope I'm wrong and you get it all sorted but on the face of it I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Frug]

So can we add this thread to the pile of threads made by retards not comprehending what they did or how life works yet?

Also cut out the retarded internet lawyers that spawn like mushrooms on threads like this and put them in the pile of those too.

[Neoo Gabriel]

Don't know about that, but I am definitely in favor of adding Frug to the pile of raving homosexual. You are a Colossal Faggot. :cut:

http://spicymoviedogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/giant-troll.jpg

[Frug]

AAHAHAH ahahah.. haaahhh..

wow

actually I needed a new quote from some idiot to put in my signature to replace the old one, but yours doesn't even sound funny.

[Tellenta]

words.

Just going to post a little ok? Don't judge it's who I am.


This is the internet, you do not know me from Adam.

What the... How the... Leave me out of this, and I'm pretty sure the people who pay half assed attention in this forum know who I am (kinda). If not, I'm a certified brony I've googled "MLP FIM (add words)" a few to many times than is healthy for a man my age. I'm a liberal with a heart stoppage. Also I enjoy feeding trolls.


At the end of the day, you can either believe me or don't.

I'm on the fence, experience dictates that you're a liar and a RMTer. However I do enjoy a good :psyccp: story. So I actually hope you're innocent.


At this stage, I will not start over in eve.

You're a smart man, despite the fact that I haven't quit eve yet I should have 3 years ago. The game doesn't get any better. I just keep giving them money and not doing shit in game. :bitter vet:


Ammon - Guilty of accepting in game items from a total stranger

Someone is totally getting banned when I quit eve for good. My basic plan is to give everything to some random.

[Helen]

Give it to me Tellenta I'm really a poor fag.

[Lana Torrin]

Ammon - Guilty of accepting in game items from a total stranger

Someone is totally getting banned when I quit eve for good. My basic plan is to give everything to some random.

If and/or when you do this, and you need an IP not in your country, look me up.

[Samp]

Against all odds this does raise a serious point - CCP do ban for accepting stuff - I've seen a couple of rants (via alts) in help channel that some dood gave me ISK now I'm banned.

And if you're asking why would anyone give a stranger ISK or valuables? Well one answer could be it's because they are dicks and want to get someone banned. Another is incompetence. I've taken trades from random strangers - in busy stations it happens mistakes are made. I've transferred stuff apparently to my alt and found I fucked up, and I've had people trade me stuff with no contact or reason.

CCP should inform people that accepting gifts can be bannable - if the basis of a ban is 'he benefited, the perpetrator benefited, so he is the perpetrator' then the subscribers should be aware that they are judged using reductive reasoning and act to avoid 'proving' to the hard of thinking that they are hackers or whatever. I know CCP are saying they have real proof, but since they have so much trouble finding evidence of anyhting else going on in the game - like someone's botting, he's reported botting, he is botting, for months, nothing happens... it's kind of hard to take them seriously when they claim to know what's going on.


They should out right say 'Don't accept ISK or junk form stragers'

[Devec]

So does this mean that asking "can I have your stuff" upon someone is leaving is now a ban-able offence?

[Mashie Saldana]

So does this mean that asking "can I have your stuff" upon someone is leaving is now a ban-able offence?
Nah, just contact the GM's once you get their stuff to make sure it is ok to keep.

[Dahak]

I don't Know if I can Read another sentence with Random words capitalized. Are you Both catholic or something?

Also accepting free Megas? Troll or stupid, either way.

[Wrack]

Nah, just contact the GM's once you get their stuff to make sure it is ok to keep.

Ok, so how do they know the stuff is legit?

1. Buy isk
2. Contact GM to make sure that "this gift your friend gave you" is legit
3. Not get banned

:psyccp:

[Grarr Dexx]

Against all odds this does raise a serious point - CCP do ban for accepting stuff - I've seen a couple of rants (via alts) in help channel that some dood gave me ISK now I'm banned.

More than not their stories end up baloney, though.

[Tellenta]

Against all odds this does raise a serious point - CCP do ban for accepting stuff - I've seen a couple of rants (via alts) in help channel that some dood gave me ISK now I'm banned.

More than not their stories end up baloney, though.

Well more often than not the simplified version doesn't match the true and simplified version. Lets look at how this thread progressed. as a fine example.

1) My friend got banned for no reason!!eleventy-won!

2) My friend was accused of being a hacker, he's far to nice to hack someone!!!!

3) My friend received a few bill worth of stuff for free from an account that was hacked and was banned for possibly being involved in the hacking. That is unjustified how could they even begin to validate that stance!!!!!!

-future posting possibilities-

4a) My friend is a RMTing faggot and got caught

4b) I had no idea he knew how to hack things, I'll be damned

4c) head in sand ranting

4d) he gets his account back, but the took the isk value away instead of the ships and now he's in the red (lawls)

4e) he gets his account back sans mega's and everything is hunky dory

4f) they never post again but we add 5 more pages because that is what we do here.

[Mike deVoid]

4f) they never post again but we add 5 more pages because that is what we do here.

Did I hear this is a +1 thread now?

[Neoo Gabriel]

This is not a +1 thread yet.

I will be posting an update later when i get home.

[Space Panda]

+1

[EchoEpsilon23]

After extensively reading through this thread, I've found this guy is complete and utter troll trying to sympathize to him with his grammatically correct writing and sincere approach which is complete utter bullshit. These guys, probably were macroing, botting, rmting what have you, and got exactly what they deserved.

I hope you guys rot in android hell, because that's where you go when you show defiance to GLaDOS or Good Luck asshole Dickheads Offed Soundwave.

This guy is either that retarded or as I just looked at his Profile, he's seemingly 66 years old.

[Tekedo]

I just wanted to say

[Tellenta]

I just wanted to say

http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/160211-1/Maid_dances.gif


This is not a +1 thread yet.

I will be posting an update later when i get home.

It was a plus one thread as soon as you hit submit for the first time.

[Neoo Gabriel]

I apologize for the psy abuse, the use of CAPITAL LETTERS and for the seemingly incoherent writing of some of my posts.


Anyways, time for the update:

While at work and reading these amusing theories about myself, even the linkage of the post i made on kugu a while back (which by the way I checked for a response for a whole week before leaving disappointed, did it read like a lunatic rant?), I have to find this is sort of amusing to my ego. I understand the site has been slow to pick up again and that is certainly a good reason people keep posting here.

I am losing myself again. So while at work on break reading eve forums, Ammon sends me a cryptic text message:


I have a surprise for you.

Gee way to be a fucking tease, so I ask if he is getting his accounts back and he just replies to check my email. Since I am an android noob faggot I never setup my email on it. I spent the rest of the day imagining what the fuck happened. Parking the car in front of the house, I hurriedly get the keys out, open the door, get on the floor everybody walk the dinossaur, proceed to quickly pet the dog and feed the raving homossexual, wake up the computer and log into my email account and finally this is the gem that is waiting for me.


Hi there, GM **** here
Upon further investigation, our team has concluded that the circumstantial evidence does not warrant this thread to be a plus one or troll thread. The Op and his friend are real eve players that can be vouched for by hundreds of people. The hard-ass responses and trolling you have received by what military experts are calling neckbeard bitterfaggots is a natural ego boosting mechanism in which these basement dwellers use the posting of ambiguous and provocative words to reassure themselves that they matter somewhere.

While the real GMs are snorting through the coke on their desks and banning innocent accounts to avoid having to ban their own alt accounts used to bot and rmt behind proxies from their home computers, your petitions are being ignored. Hopefully someone will reply to you again by the end of next week with more flawed logic.

So this is your troll thread, happy now? There is no candy, consequences will never be the same.

Would be great if I could bother wasting time and trolling you, because I really had a good time imagining how you would respond to this post.

Meanwhile Ammon continues to be banned, hasn't received a response for three days, and I am starting to consider alternate means of action.

What do you think I post a friendlier thread on EVE-O? Someone mentioned that GMs tend to come into the threads and demolish the false claims. I'd like to see they try that what they have a bunch of bullshit proof and I know for a fact they are wrong.

Someone mentioned on vent also the possibility we could pool some 20bil and buy ammon a character from the bazaar and put it in a new account, But i am not sure this would work. Would ccp ban him again? Also the moderator of the bazaar is the same fa... Well nevermind.

Also, Ammon mentioned that ccp charged his accounts the day after they were banned. This is called Embezzlement. he says he just wants his accounts back and would only pursue this course of action after it because certain ccp would not return his accounts into active duty.

Meanwhile the struggle continues, FREE AMMON DEI!!!

[Space Panda]

While at work and reading these amusing theories about myself, even the linkage of the post i made on kugu a while back (which by the way I checked for a response for a whole week before leaving disappointed, did it read like a lunatic rant?

yes

[Helen]

[quote="Neoo Gabriel":x9a1qdc9]While at work and reading these amusing theories about myself, even the linkage of the post i made on kugu a while back (which by the way I checked for a response for a whole week before leaving disappointed, did it read like a lunatic rant?

yes[/quote:x9a1qdc9]

Your not a mod stop using colors! - Helen

[Malcanis]

[quote="Neoo Gabriel":2n03pdeb]While at work and reading these amusing theories about myself, even the linkage of the post i made on kugu a while back (which by the way I checked for a response for a whole week before leaving disappointed, did it read like a lunatic rant?

yes

Your not a mod stop using colors! - Helen[/quote:2n03pdeb]


Yeah teacher will be mad if someone who's not a mod uses colours, and then no-one will get chocolate milk at break time :emo: :emo: :(

[Helen]

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/jerkybar/Schhol.jpg

[Raz]

Lunatic Rant

:facepalm: Also +1

[Tellenta]

Someone mentioned on vent also the possibility we could pool some 20bil and buy ammon a character from the bazaar and put it in a new account, But i am not sure this would work. Would ccp ban him again? Also the moderator of the bazaar is the same fa... Well nevermind.

They don't really post on boards much as GM's or whatever their job descriptions are anymore. Unless it's a mindless plus one the shitty eve community opens up on them like a spastic colon on a coffee drip. So they avoid the player base because they (the players) are both stupid and crazy and they stick to posting blogs these days. So if you feel like trying a threadnaught on eve-o expect excessive moderation and a lock and not much more.

[Jason Marshall]

I bet we would see a positive policy change, or have them spell out the policy. If they get petitions everytime a trade between 2 people is done asking if the free shit someone just got was legit.

[Tellenta]

I bet we would see a positive policy change, or have them spell out the policy. If they get petitions everytime a trade between 2 people is done asking if the free shit someone just got was legit.

Probably not, mostly due to the fact that what the person received was not in fact legit. What we would get is more canned messages and the poor saps that deal with petitions would be even more over loaded causing even less petitions to be actually read.

[Samp]

[quote="Neoo Gabriel":3siqbnho]While at work and reading these amusing theories about myself, even the linkage of the post i made on kugu a while back (which by the way I checked for a response for a whole week before leaving disappointed, did it read like a lunatic rant?

yes

Your not a mod stop using colors! - Helen[/quote:3siqbnho]

Can I use colours in quotes?

[Serrated]

This thread is terrible.

Although I laughed when the megas were mentioned.

[Kenpachi]

Derp


That is all

[gert]

Lunatic Rant

:facepalm: Also +1

How long has that :facepalm: smily been there? Can't imagine I missed it up to now.

+1

[mIKE hOTEI]

Lunatic Rant

:facepalm: Also +1

How long has that :facepalm: smily been there? Can't imagine I missed it up to now.

+1

qfft

[Don Pellegrino]

Lunatic Rant

:facepalm: Also +1

How long has that :facepalm: smily been there? Can't imagine I missed it up to now.

+1
I added it a few days ago: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=818&p=30512#p30512 (http://failheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=818&p=30512#p30512)

[Lana Torrin]

So we betting on if he RMTd or not yet?

[gert]

You will get better odds betting that the sun won't come up in the morning.

[Tyrus Tenebros]

Don't know about that, but I am definitely in favor of adding Frug to the pile of raving homosexual. You are a Colossal Faggot. :cut:

http://spicymoviedogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/giant-troll.jpg
Let's take, for a moment, everything in this thread semi-seriously.


If that's the case, NeoO Gabriel has registered to a forum and absolutely gone of the deep end with his first post raging about somebody else's ban on behalf of that person, presumably without their knowledge (at least at first).

Furthermore, he leaves out critical facts that would lead CCP to suspect something fishy going on (again, while discussing a friend's account), and the friend shows up later, at least semi-verified to be a real person...

The fuck bro, talk about needing a chill pill.

[spiralJunkie]

How would you feel, what would you do .



whine like a bitch. but looks like you're all over that

[spm1138]

If that's the case, NeoO Gabriel has registered to a forum and absolutely gone of the deep end with his first post raging about somebody else's ban on behalf of that person, presumably without their knowledge (at least at first).

Furthermore, he leaves out critical facts that would lead CCP to suspect something fishy going on (again, while discussing a friend's account), and the friend shows up later, at least semi-verified to be a real person...

The fuck bro, talk about needing a chill pill.


Yes.

[Stoffl]

So we betting on if he RMTd or not yet?

100mill on legit ban

[Lachesis VII]

I'm just enjoying watching someone from QCATS whine. Heh.

[Neoo Gabriel]

There's good new to be had (not for the haters tho), will wait until everything is done then i will destroy your hateful wishes.

There is hope for ccp.

[Space Panda]

[quote="Neoo Gabriel":1ssn2h87]While at work and reading these amusing theories about myself, even the linkage of the post i made on kugu a while back (which by the way I checked for a response for a whole week before leaving disappointed, did it read like a lunatic rant?

yes

Your not a mod stop using colors! - Helen[/quote:1ssn2h87]

sorry, i wasn't thinking.

neo, even if your "friend" gets unbanned, i'll still know the truth.

[Mike deVoid]

You fucking drama llama. It soon become obvious that if the story (as told by Ammon) was true then he accidentally became caught up in someone distributed the assets of a hacked account and they had banned all accounts involved whilst they investigated. Pretty reasonable actually.

The only bad done here was most likely the wording from the initial message from CCP even Ammon appeared to say that CCP had stated they had proof he hacked the account when they merely had suspicion.

I expect he'll get his account unbanned, be given some extra days to cover the period he couldn't play. Maybe SP if his skills stopped in the mean time. And then we'll here no more about it.

Apart from the fact you will harp on about it.

[Neoo Gabriel]

So he had his both accounts unbanned today. The one that received the megas is negative several billion (much more than what the 7 megas were worth), was missing 2 navy megas but still had 5 of them on the hangar.

He petitioned them to remove the megas and/or return the isk so that it was before the incident, so we are hoping they only subtract the 2 ships he already sold. Also to refund lost SP.

So all these people were faggots and accusing of rmt and botting or whatever, when in fact he was banned for hacking ONLY, which ccp had their iceland logic to justify. The only thing you might argue was that he had RMTed the megas but it wasn't the issue.

All in all he is just really happy he has his accounts back. Maybe he will post about it here.

A few things I learned from this:

SHC/FHC peeps are really easy to troll (even tho this was not a troll thread), so I will be back in the future using alt accounts.

If you log in one day and notice your isk count up or several ships contracted to you for free, accept it and immediately petition ccp. If people give you ships for free in station accept and immediately petition.

Besides all the raging madness in here some people really do take the time to post useful information so this wasn't all lost. Besides with the other open threads i bet this was good entertainment for you.

I hope the most hateful of you get isk surpluses and get banned, faggots.

[Durzel]

So in summary...

"CCP Bans Innocent Accounts"... innocent guys who end up negative several billion. Ohhh-kay.
Overwrought "my bro wouldn't do this!!" about internet spaceships, ps. ITROLLU

I never get loads of Navy Megas randomly given to me, it must be because I'm not good friends with shady RMT'rs or something because I'm an innocent snowflake who wouldn't say bot to a goose.

ps. No smoke without fire

[Neoo Gabriel]

Moving goal posts now? At first he was accused and banned for hacking.

Now he is guilty of RMT? He never hacked anyone not rmted nor botted nor did anything against the eula. You are just speculating this.

I guess in the next few days when he gets his wallet back to normal and the other hulls taken away it will be what? A huge troll and it never happened?

I have seen people get ships for free before. It happens. I've even had a trade with a random stranger by accident up for a few seconds before i cancelled.

You know whats funny? If that guys account wasn't hacked and he really was giving shit away nobody would give a fuck, just like nobody gives a fuck when someone suddenly is inside a nyx and there is no isk trail to justify it.

For a place where people apparently hate ccp so much there sure is a lot of white-knighting going on here.

[Lana Torrin]

I hope the most hateful of you get isk surpluses and get banned, faggots.

You could always hurry that along by getting your RMTing friends to buy me some isk and get it dumped in to my account. Same name in game.. I mean if you really hate me that is.

[Mike deVoid]

neo: haha i hope all you faggots get banned! imma come back and troll u cos u are all so stupid.

*neo immediately gets trolled*

neo: what you mean, he really really is innocent!

:facepalm:

[3rr0rc0d3]

This thread... :psyduck:

[Stoffl]

He truly is a very speshul snowflake.

[James Snowscoran]

Ban them all

[Neoo Gabriel]

Ban '11s.




















Am I doing this right?

[Mike deVoid]

Ban 27s

[Lana Torrin]

Ban 27s
http://www.drinkplanner.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/you_re-doing-it-wrong.jpg

[Mike deVoid]

:D

[Tellenta]

That you for the update, please circle 4d on my list of future CCP actions.


SHC/FHC peeps are really easy to troll (even tho this was not a troll thread), so I will be back in the future using alt accounts.

It's called loving to feed trolls just to see what gets typed next. Please contrast and compare the responses to your yourself and your friend for a better understanding of troll feeding.


Now he is guilty of RMT? He never hacked anyone not rmted nor botted nor did anything against the eula. You are just speculating this.

RMT and hacking are wedded together, mostly because if the RMT site doesn't make enough cash through botting they resort to hacking to steal shit. Please reference the great "oh shit I got hacked" threadnaughts that came after CCP went all jihad against RMTers and managed to purge a significant number of their accounts. RMTers wanted more assets and their easy peezy tools went away, so they started stealing and hacking. Most of the people that got hacked had accessed (registered) at a RMT site at some point in their gaming career.

edit: oh!


For a place where people apparently hate ccp so much there sure is a lot of white-knighting going on here.

Hate is such a strong word :emo: . Granted I'm never surprised anymore from CCP's fuck ups I do however really like logic. You are clinically incapable of using logic and therefore should be mocked.

[XenosisReaper]

Ban Op Gas Thread

[Ammon Dei]

Accounts are back, Thanks for all that helped me with suggestions.

Good luck and fly deadly out there.

[fng]

Can I have free navythron plz?

[spiralJunkie]

For a place where people apparently hate ccp so much
[citation needed]

also you are a clown

[mira o'karr]

free isk i hear?

[Don Pellegrino]

SHC/FHC peeps are really easy to troll (even tho this was not a troll thread), so I will be back in the future using alt accounts.
Since when is refusing to believe what appears to be an obvious troll "being trolled"?

faggots.
no u

[Sofia Roseburn]

[quote="Neoo Gabriel":s4qzhzj8]SHC/FHC peeps are really easy to troll (even tho this was not a troll thread), so I will be back in the future using alt accounts.
Since when is refusing to believe what appears to be an obvious troll "being trolled"?

faggots.
no u[/quote:s4qzhzj8]

Excuse me, FHC operates a strict no trolling policy. I'm going to have to ask you to cease posting such drivel.

[whispous]

I just locked the initial post so he can't go back and buttheurtedly delete the content later

[Neoo Gabriel]

Thread just keeps on giving.

Accounts are back, I have no need to delete my posts, and there won't be anything more constructive to be had here.

+1 Thread is officially a go.

PS: Lock it please.

[Helen]

:lock:

[Catari Taga]

:lock:

you fail at locking ;)

also +1

[Lady Spank]

pathetic

[Mike deVoid]

Catari strikes again

[FatFreddy]

TMA how to RMT and get unbanned, amirite?

[Helen]

:lock:

you fail at locking ;)

also +1

I don't think you "got" the post.

[Catari Taga]

I don't think you "got" the post.
Nah I did, I actually made a joke at first then figured I'd edit it out again. Thought I'd still troll you though.

[Lorkin Desal]

Rage was good, but this needs to be killed before it gets worse.

[ry ry]

CCP unban RMTer in elaborate FHC troll.

[Lorkin Desal]

[quote="Don Pellegrino":c4l5i3ya][quote="Neoo Gabriel":c4l5i3ya]SHC/FHC peeps are really easy to troll (even tho this was not a troll thread), so I will be back in the future using alt accounts.
Since when is refusing to believe what appears to be an obvious troll "being trolled"?

faggots.
no u[/quote:c4l5i3ya]

Excuse me, FHC operates a strict no trolling policy. I'm going to have to ask you to cease posting such drivel.[/quote:c4l5i3ya]


ROFL

[Simokon]

so his 3 day bay for getting caught botting/rmting is up, amirite?

[Tellenta]

Thread just keeps on giving.

Accounts are back, I have no need to delete my posts, and there won't be anything more constructive to be had here.

+1 Thread is officially a go.

PS: Lock it please.

You had nothing constructive to add from the start, what are you talking about.

Also, every thread is a plus one thread.

[Durzel]

so his 3 day bay for getting caught botting/rmting is up, amirite?
The truth revealed!

[Catari Taga]

so his 3 day bay for getting caught botting/rmting is up, amirite?
good first post

[Neoo Gabriel]

* 9 days ban.

A great improvement over permaban.

Now, I heard its much easier to RMT by placing buy orders for 0.01isk of large quantities of a material, and have the isk supplier fill the order.

For example, put a buy order for 20 damnations at 10isk each. Buy isk form rmt site. Have them buy 20 damnations on the jita market and then fill the 10isk buy order. Re-sell those damnations at market price. You just laundered 5bil isk.

If they had done this instead of direct trading from an account that had previously RMTd (which is how it got "hacked") no one would be the wiser.

[Sofia Roseburn]

Yeah, you can shut the fuck up now.