Heroes of Newerth

[Cool09]

Needs a thread because blogging about success/epic failure is therapeutic.

Was up to 1791 MMR, lost down to 1776 then won again up to somewhere in the 1780s this morning. THE QUEST FOR 1800 CONTINUES. Was mid each time today, valk and hag. I'm not a pro valk by any stretch but its a super fun hero to play, glad I took time to practice earlier.

Haven't had the chance to play as nomad quite yet. So far I've seen him fail several times, all due to being super squishy. The one time I saw him dominate was when he went early helm of black legion. When I do play him thats what I'll try: helm -> phase boots (already has attack speed from skill, needs dmg) -> stygian? runed axe?

[FooB]

obligatory firstpost of "OMG FUCKING GOD DAMN BADS THEY ARE THE REASON I AM STICK IN FAGTIER"

etc. rainbows incoming.

[Dark Flare]

obligatory firstpost of "OMG FUCKING GOD DAMN BADS THEY ARE THE REASON I AM STICK IN FAGTIER"

etc. rainbows incoming.

Quotin.

[tHornton]

i own an account but i havent played in 6 months and i was fucking shite back then too

might be worth playing again

[Tyrrax Thorrk]

1889 mmr, was 1894 but I lost a game ;[
Lucifer ingame, but I mostly play on Sadist 's account atm

[Foul]

On a spree of randoming on my smurf, haven't actually lost a hwole lot fo PSR just idles ~ 1700.

[Dark 0men]

The 1600 badtier is a fucking rollercoaster :/ Sometimes your team is derp and sometimes you go 14-3-12 carry plague because the other team thinks the golden bouncy thing is free candy 8-)

[Cool09]

I've won one game, lost 4 games sort of a thing all the way from 1791 to 1760 :(

Getting some experience with heroes I don't often play however.

[FooB]

heroes of newerth, more like HEROES OF FUCKING NIGGER. FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

started playing bubbles, and even forcing myself mid and destroying it to win games. then i am plagued by a pestilence that ragequits upon feeding bloodlust away, a jereziah that put his points into stats (and none in heal i might add) who refused to play 4v5, a nomad who is proud of his 120 GPM and says "i will carry dis" and the typical mass of absolute raging faggots that constantly assure me that pyro/witch arent support and should never buy wards because they need to complete their SotMs.

[FooB]

rage cannot even describe me after the last game.

Played against a nomad, who bought 4 fucking runed axes. FOUR. "lol" you may think?

he basically had a free doombringers worth of damage, +24 HP regen and +600% mana regen, as well as the ability to cloak away and boost damage further with travel skill.

[Lucifer Fellblade]

Thats a classic, scout flurry with 5 runed axes is hilarious.

[Dark 0men]

Hahahaha s2 in petty :t20: non-shocker.

threadnaught one (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=245936): Some baddies get their MMR lowered by a few hundred points so they can stomp badtier repeatedly. Allegedly, S2 gives free alt accounts to comp players and GMs for this purpose.

threadnaught two (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=246115): S2 Junior Staff (claims to be unpaid) bans a teammate for "ksing". "Resigns" after mass whining ensues, but actually just renames his in-game account.

[Cool09]

Unprofessional S2 non-shocker

[mjukis]

Unprofessional S2 non-shocker

Pretty much. I regret giving them money.

[Spart]

Another game lost because someone decided to leave. 15 minutes in, and our hammerstorm leaves the game (not that he had been all that great, but he did use his stun pretty well, and I was getting kills from it, so it was a loss for me). TB and myself as Hag tried to carry us the rest of the game, but the scout on the other team farmed up so well (our predator was level 11 when I hit level 20) that we just couldn't manage to fight back.

[Foul]

Remembered the name of a smurf I made a while back yet never used. Up to ~1670 ~75% win ~1.9kd. I have another account at ~1700 that I shat on randoming and playing support, it's amazing the fierence in how people react to what you say based on your stats even though it's the same player.

[Varicose Brains]

I keep meaning to try this but I've heard that the community is like a bunch of starving rottweilers that have bags of angry wasps tied to their scrotums. I have LoL though, but I haven't played much of it and I've forgotten my login info anyway.

[Adam C]

1033 mmr signing in, sinking fast, my own fault i prefer to play single draft and random

[Cool09]

1033 mmr signing in, sinking fast, my own fault i prefer to play single draft and random

At that level I imagine it has little to do with gametype, or heroes at all for that matter :P

[DAN13L]

Started playing HoN a while ago, when A Lifetaker told me it was on sale for only 10 euro. Haven't been playing a lot since then, and still learning the game and getting a hang of the heroes.
I like it so far, I've been playing a lot as Armadon, really like that one, it's easy to use :P

[TroN]

I wish I had bought it at $10, purely to compare it to LoL, which I really enjoy.

[FooB]

I wish I had bought it at $10, purely to compare it to LoL, which I really enjoy.

you know you can trial it for free, right?

[Foul]

1033 mmr signing in, sinking fast, my own fault i prefer to play single draft and random

join the channel scrapheap and someone will probably help you out. If not, post again and I'll try and sort you out a bit.

[Dark 0men]

I keep meaning to try this but I've heard that the community is like a bunch of starving rottweilers that have bags of angry wasps tied to their scrotums. I have LoL though, but I haven't played much of it and I've forgotten my login info anyway.

HoN teaches you how not to be a sensitive snowflake in front of the internet. The extra thick skin you develop is worth the $30.

[RazoR]

[quote="Varicose Brains":12xin7s4]I keep meaning to try this but I've heard that the community is like a bunch of starving rottweilers that have bags of angry wasps tied to their scrotums. I have LoL though, but I haven't played much of it and I've forgotten my login info anyway.HoN teaches you how not to be a sensitive snowflake in front of the internet. The extra thick skin you develop is worth the $30.[/quote:12xin7s4]Yo, nice to know you aren't dead. How's lolwox?

Also i've killed all my weak parts for free on imageboards.

[Bielz]

Played with some fhc people earlier, I failed hard. Have to work on my laning it looks like. Was getting caught out of position way to much.

[TroN]

I wish I had bought it at $10, purely to compare it to LoL, which I really enjoy.

you know you can trial it for free, right?

I didn't actually, will look into it.

[Lilan kahn]

down from 1480 to almost 1100 all aboard the fail train

[tHornton]

Played with some fhc people earlier, I failed hard. Have to work on my laning it looks like. Was getting caught out of position way to much.

I'm the opposite - i can do quite well in the laning phase but i tend to lose interest after a while and start making mistakes

[Bielz]

Just watched the HONOR finals spoilers



























SK completely outpicked EG and got out played. Biggest thing I saw in game 3 was the lvl 5 codex on pebbles, thats 7k gold. He could have gotten a lvl 1 codex and most of a deamonic or frostfield, or skipped the codex altogether and got the deamonic which would have really helped against valk and made soulstealer hit that much harder.

[Ask Unbeatable]

:nostradamus: I hate every single retarded person who plays this game

i mad

[Phrixus Zephyr]

You guys must be pretty bad to be 1000-1300. My stats are garbage and i havn't left 1600 in ages.

[haack]

pinoys seriously need to be fucking banned from playing this game holy fucking shit

[FooB]

pinoys seriously need to be fucking banned from playing this game holy fucking shit

er, they are?

[haack]

Filipino

[FooB]

Filipino

well done, you know what a pinoy is. Do you know where they are from?

(i'll give you a big hint...... its South East Asia. the same region that are banned from registering regular HoN accounts and are forced to play on the free version of HoN on Garena)

[Foul]

Filipino

well done, you know what a pinoy is. Do you know where they are from?

(i'll give you a big hint...... its South East Asia. the same region that are banned from registering regular HoN accounts and are forced to play on the free version of HoN on Garena)

Thai aren't, ever see a 5 carry team on USW around AU prime it's a pretty safe bet -*-

[haack]

Filipino

well done, you know what a pinoy is. Do you know where they are from?

(i'll give you a big hint...... its South East Asia. the same region that are banned from registering regular HoN accounts and are forced to play on the free version of HoN on Garena)


Well done, you know nothing. Do you have a clue what you are talking about?cwutidid

they are most definantly not banned from regular hon as they plague usw from 0700utc til 1600utc.

[FooB]

Filipino

well done, you know what a pinoy is. Do you know where they are from?

(i'll give you a big hint...... its South East Asia. the same region that are banned from registering regular HoN accounts and are forced to play on the free version of HoN on Garena)


Well done, you know nothing. Do you have a clue what you are talking about?cwutidid

they are most definantly not banned from regular hon as they plague usw from 0700utc til 1600utc.

http://www.exciting-internet.com/?p=217

note the part about SEA IPs being blocked from international HoN. there are probably a few behind proxies but quite frankly i dont give a fuck if they ruin US servers.

[haack]

thats good? was any asking if you gave a fuck? no so shut the fuck up

[spiralJunkie]

ladies, calm down.

once I can clap, I'll be all over this like a tramp on chips, might even get paid to play :D

[FooB]

thats good? was any asking if you gave a fuck? no so shut the fuck up

you mad bro? why dont you go play on your "piinoy infested servers" about it.

[haack]

you don't enough ~~~ to be witty please try again

[CrzyLgs]

I heard this game is terrible and that you should all download LoL, join 'scrapheap' channel and have many good times :D

[Dark Flare]

No, LoL is terrible.

[Voulture]

Both are same shit. Just play the one that is not boring you yet.

[The Pie]

Both are same shit. Just play the one that is not boring you yet.

NO, LoL is terrible.

[Voulture]

Hello, thanks for your opinion after quoting my opinion. When i look after you insightful and witty one i am starting to realize main was pretty dumb.

[a lifetaker]

I had a good game with ophelia today, i got helm of the dominator as first item so by the time we where at 20 minuets i had 6 creeps and a staff of masters and the boost boots. Ophelia is awesome at pushing.

[filingo]

I had a good game with ophelia today, i got helm of the dominator as first item so by the time we where at 20 minuets i had 6 creeps and a staff of masters and the boost boots. Ophelia is awesome at pushing.

<3 <3 i luff you

[Voulture]

Real ophelia got codex.

[Foul]

Version 2.0.26
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- Fixed shop stock decreasing even if you had a full inventory when trying to buy a limited quanity item
- Fixed a longstanding annoyance where on screen health bars that appear above units would occlude other health bars
* This was most prevalent when a full health creep was standing to the left of a low health creep. The full health creep's health bar would end up occulding the health bar of the low hp creep, making it much harder to last hit/deny
- Added 4 new Account Icons


== Heroes ==

- Added a new Agility hero: Silhouette :silh:

- Introducing a Limited Edition Alt Avatar: Bunny Predator (available for one week only!)
- Added a new Premium Alt Avatar: Wretched Hottie
- Added a new Alt Avatar: White Lotus Silhouette

Aluna
- Fixed her Emerald Lightning so it will stun the first target even if the target enters fog on the same frame the ability goes off

:bloo: Blood Hunter
- Made his Blood Sense map icon have the proper icon when you hover over it on the minimap
- Made Blood Sense map icon slightly smaller so it doesn't clutter stuff up as much

:bomb: Bombardier
- Optimized Boom Dust performance

:damp: Dampeer
- Lifesteal streak effects play again when attacking with his aura. Derp.

:defi: Defiler
- Made Unholy Expulsion's tooltip list it as a Physical spell
- Added a 30 second timer to Unholy Expulsion
* Timer starts when skill is cast, so it will indicate when the spirits start to fade away

Empath
- Made the damage source equal to Empath if Empath goes inside someone and uses Essence Link
* Fixes your ally getting the kill credit rather than yourself if they die from Essence Link

:fayd: Fayde
- Added cliffwalking, treewalking and buildingwalking to Burning Shadows' illusions
* Allows them to chase without being blocked by obstacles
- Sped up her attack time when under the effects of Reflection so you do not stand there after attacking out of stealth

:gaun: Gauntlet
- Grapple's gadget now doesn't draw on minimap.
- Fixed a bug where Gauntlet's Grapple was hitting heroes directly behind him if the hero was hugging Gauntlet's back

:nigh: Night Hound
- Fixed Teen Night Hound's Pounce; it now plays its sound + animation when used on an enemy unit

Nomad
- Fixed all of the sounds while his Alt Avatar is active

:phar: Pharaoh
- Fixed an extremely rare bug with Ophelia/Nymphora teleporting Pharaoh to fountain and Pharaoh teleporting all the enemy heroes to his fountain

:pupp: Puppet Master
- Made Puppet Show not issue a stop command on the target if the target doesn't find another target to attack
* This fixes a hitch if the target never attacks anything
- Fixed Puppet Show to not cancel when the acquired target goes invulnerable for a split second
* Magmus able to cancel the ability completely if he is targeted, for example
- Fixed Puppet Show to not cancel when the acquired target gets fogged
* Fixing bad and buggy behavior
- Fixed a server crash with Voodoo Puppet
- Changed the assist mechanics of Voodoo Puppet
* Now awards kill credit to Puppet Master instead of the allied hero attacking the Puppet if the allied hero lands the killing blow

:ramp: Rampage
- Fixed a mod-enabled exploit

:scou: Scout
- Changed Marksman Shot so it won't be targetable on siege units

:swif: Swiftblade
- Fixed Swift Slashes from making his corpse stand up at the end if he dies while using it

:temp: Tempest
- Fixed Elemental Void so people can use Tablet of Command on allies caught within

:trem: Tremble
- Dark Swarm damage scaling from 20/40/60/80 to 32/48/64/80
- Terrorform tweaked so Tremble is now revealed 1 second after an enemy hero enters the same mound as him
- Linger time when leaving Mounds and retaining the perks is reduced to 1 second from 2 seconds
- Shudder can no longer be killed by Nullfire Blade
- Shudder's disable is a now properly a Debuff

:vind: Vindicator
- Tweaked how he gains Intelligence so he can gain an unlimited amount
* The amount of Intelligence a single enemy can lose is still capped at 125

[Lucifer Fellblade]

A buff for tremble, really s2.

[Phrixus Zephyr]

Decloak by standing on his mound and less linger time is hardly a buff. Damage rescale of his first skill helps a little in ganking at very low levels but it's totally off set by the change to his invis.

[Foul]

Still an overpowered badly designed joke, it was a nerf though.

[FooB]

Tremble is not overpowered. (http://stats.hon-fans.de/index.php?nick=Tremblerape&items=1)

hon forams thread (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=247582)

[Dark 0men]

Tremble is not overpowered. (http://stats.hon-fans.de/index.php?nick=Tremblerape&items=1)

hon forams thread (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=247582)

Eh, EU AP. Probably not the highest skilled environment to play in. Still impressive, though.

[spiralJunkie]

I had a good game with ophelia today, i got helm of the dominator as first item so by the time we where at 20 minuets i had 6 creeps and a staff of masters and the boost boots. Ophelia is awesome at pushing.

welcome to october '10

[Voulture]

You mad, spiral how cant you remember my op-ophelia only alt :< :< :<

[user_31000]

Dang, each time i gonna reach 1800 i just go rageshit and drop my gameplay lvl to a point i end 1700 under 5 game.

[Lucifer Fellblade]

"I've never seen an Andro without helm."

- my team

[Bielz]

new hero looks cool, I dont have the skill to play it, to many skill shots and micro, but it looks bad ass. I can see noobs leaving the illusion like in their own jungle or something to always have something to port to.

[Exortius]

Anyone that wants to boost k/d in bad tier (REALLY REALLY BAD TIER) i'm "Applied" in-game. Fellblade and foob can attest to the fact that I am not totally shit. But srsly when I hear people talk about how hard it is to get out of bad tier, you ain't seen nothing bitch.

[FooB]

Anyone that wants to boost k/d in bad tier (REALLY REALLY BAD TIER) i'm "Applied" in-game. Fellblade and foob can attest to the fact that I am not totally shit. But srsly when I hear people talk about how hard it is to get out of bad tier, you ain't seen nothing bitch.


i dont think ive played one single game with you yet, nor seen you online for that matter.

[PiePork]

I will confirm he isn't too heavy. ;)

[Dark Flare]

I am slowly escaping bad tier. From 1300 up to 1560. From 0.69kdr to 0.76.

One step at a time...

[tHornton]

asdg
ffgfsagagfgs

430gpm puppet master ruined by terrible team mates

[Lucifer Fellblade]

I am slowly escaping bad tier. From 1300 up to 1560. From 0.69kdr to 0.76.

One step at a time...


Careful, I find that players at 1600-1700 are way worse than 1500-1600.

[Cool09]

HON BLOG INCOMING

Got the new Hag skin, because hag is one of my fav's, and the skin isn't ugly.

Picked hag to try out skin, went 18-5 or something and lost ;( Was a 90 minute game. Other team had polly with refresher, so each time they pushed they would wipe out 1-2 buildings with it. Even though we geno'd them several times they kept pushing and won. Pretty good game anyway. Our item choices were not super but o well.

Played zephyr and had basically free farm against aluna (I still don't get this hero). Our other lane was feeding, and our mid got so angry he grabbed a rune, and went up to the other team's mid tower and fed their mid a kill. The rage was strong with this team, yet I kept farming. Got a 15 min mock, carried the bads to victory, ended almost maxed out items with 15-2. Luckily the other team didn't concede because of their own rage problems.

Not quite as rape as my last zephyr game, which was 7-0 by 15 mins. The conceded immediately at 15 however :(

On a bit of a tear atm, up to 1786. 3 wins from 1800 milestone.

[FooB]

aluna (I still don't get this hero)


S2: "Hey, we should put a fit girl on our banners and adverts so neckbeards will want to spend more money on us"

S2: "lets trawl the z-listers and find a fit one that will do it for cheap"

Paula Garcez: "OMG I'll do it! but only if you use my shitty fucking spic cartoon character in your game! OMG I CAN DO THE VOICE TOO!"

S2: "Sigh, okay. (pssst, hey guys! lets just throw all the unused ideas in the scrapped pile of skills that we will probably never find a decent use for and hopefully she will be so shit noone will ever actually play her as a hero, just see her on the banners!)

S2: ?????

S2: PROFIT

[Lucifer Fellblade]

That's why like, dWi or whoever picks her up and rapes.

[PiePork]

Aluna frequently carries IHL games, her autoattack and nuke allow for huge farm/lane ownage.

[Lucifer Fellblade]

Back into bad tier, 1600 to 1400 in 2 days.

[shigsy]

1600 is still bad tier bro :nostradamus:

[Lucifer Fellblade]

I noticed.

[Zavior]

1700 is still bad tier :|
friend took a stat reset from 1700 to 1500 so now we play 1500 rating games for the time being
its completely same

[Intigo]

dipped below 1650, raged, went back up to 1700 by exclusively playing supports

I really enjoy playing hardcore support lately and just abusing the shitfuck out of jungle spawns, double stacking and pulls

hellbourne is my favorite for it, double-stack the normal pull and pull :15 and/or pull the other camp at ~:50-55 which is then double-stacked by the time your creeps arrive to fight

I have had decent luck with the carries that I support, they aren't completely retarded - I always let them know beforehand that I'm going hardcore pull mode so they know when to play defensive

wards etc. counter it of course, but people aren't used to people abusing it or something because most don't bother blocking it

[user_31000]

I am slowly escaping bad tier. From 1300 up to 1560. From 0.69kdr to 0.76.

One step at a time...

Hey i'm helping you doing so ! with my chessy french accent and it prevent me from raging too much.

I'm 1780 atm, not thinkin too much about the fact i'll probably fail hard as soon i near 1800.

About bad tier, tbh bad is more a mmr effect then a tier effect, back when there was only normal games i knew tons of player i would have played against/with in the late games and we often shared our BL or took them as a proof.
MMR just doesnt give you that control over who you're playing with ( or against, i don't realy enjoy 15 min CC from the other team cuz they have 3 baddies )

Back in those day you could host a game at 1600, check stat every1 and be sure you had at least done everything possible to get a good chance for both team. In mmr if you check stats ( or TSR ) i am often "ho fuck" before the guys even pick.

[Dark 0men]

MMR is almost entirely meaningless. You can't tell if someone got carried out of the 1400s by a team of 4 in shitty AP games. I still don't know how it's possible to reach 1600 and be incapable of controlling the lane. Torturer getting harassed by a level 1 rampage? Yep!

[Dark Flare]

[quote="Dark Flare":3pukeeih]I am slowly escaping bad tier. From 1300 up to 1560. From 0.69kdr to 0.76.

One step at a time...

Hey i'm helping you doing so ! with my chessy french accent and it prevent me from raging too much.
[/quote:3pukeeih]

Yeah, but I did 1300-1500 myself! 1500-1600 is 75% with you though :P

[Exortius]

Anyone that wants to boost k/d in bad tier (REALLY REALLY BAD TIER) i'm "Applied" in-game. Fellblade and foob can attest to the fact that I am not totally shit. But srsly when I hear people talk about how hard it is to get out of bad tier, you ain't seen nothing bitch.


i dont think ive played one single game with you yet, nor seen you online for that matter.

I've seen you online probably 3 times in the last week, and we've played together two or three times (edit: we played together with fellblade but that was a few months ago). I'm hurt.

[Lucifer Fellblade]

I remember, it did happen. Foob played Armadon.

[Dark 0men]

I read about a hilarious gimmick on the forums -- pebbles can chuck an ancient creep into a lane creep wave :lol: :lol:

I'll have to try a pebbles+legionnaire lane tonight.

[Lucifer Fellblade]

Yeah you can pull the middle lane to the ancients with devourer as well.

[Xan]

I remember why I stopped playing this game...

Came back after a long break, game put me at 1650 MMR. I predictably fail my way down to about 1580ish, remember how to play, and am working my way back above 1650, but in the meantime it seems like the game just makes me want to rage half the time. For Example: (It seems like a while since we posted specific games) 38492897 It is a game of rage, some by me, some by others. A good portion of it is typed, but there was a good bit of rage by me on voice, even though I seemed to be the only one with a mic.

[Dark 0men]

a game of rage

Every HON player should try a few matches of APCM just to learn how to not give a fuck.

[Xan]

I'm not much of a rager normally. But being forced to lane with a pebbles who refused to go mid, and then goes codex with no PK gets on my nerves. Oh and he took the token too.

[Phrixus Zephyr]

Played a game with a Flint who refused to let me mid as defiler which gimped both lanes. He dies mid to Moraxus twice which gives him farm he shouldn't have had after being crowded out of the lane and he lets him keep rune control for some reason and then he doesn't gank. Maliken gets practically free farm with a Poly sitter vs me Defiler and Behe top. Flint ends up with an amazing farm and 27:9 and by the end of the game he's able to solo anyone 1v1 and put Hammer, Poly and Bubbles in the grave in 4-5 shots each, but he chooses to go for Axe or Mali first while we all get CC'd to death by the rest of the team. To top it off, he doesn't seem to understand why the rest of us have almost nothing and everyone on the other team has everything they need, despite me and Dsham trying to explain it to him from minute 1 why you kinda need the other 4 people on your team, why gimping both lanes so you can 'farm mid' is bad and why mid kinda needs to gank. Don't get me wrong, the guy was good at Flint, but it staggers me how good people can be but still be so unaware of how a team works.

Then i played a game where i managed to go 0:12 as Balpha, immediately followed by a game where i go 7:0 as Poly. Swings and roundabouts.

[Zavior]

Key to having (somewhat) better games of HoN is to never play alone without friends. I find it much better to not play at all than play alone. Also having a russian flag is helpfull

[Spart]

I've started to only play this game with friends. No point playing by myself, at least if I lose with friends we can all have a laugh about what was shit (not just the others on the team, we also acknowledge when we are shit, which makes it even better). When I'm playing by myself, inevitably all that happens is someone rages about something, has a cry and quits the game. That, or it's just downright boring anyway, as everyone is just good and doesn't communicate much, which is also really annoying.

Incidentally, people should add me if they play in bad tier (under 1500), think I'm around 1400 at the moment, name is Spart in game, will at the very least be funny, even if it's not successful.

[spiralJunkie]

I read about a hilarious gimmick on the forums -- pebbles can chuck an ancient creep into a lane creep wave :lol: :lol:

I'll have to try a pebbles+legionnaire lane tonight.

pebbles can be a cheap portal ke, which is hilarious with say Tempest or Behe. Chuck to Ult

[spiralJunkie]

ESL Major Series Group Stage - OK vs MSI
great teams, good game eventually, just shows why Maliken is an incredibly good hero, and one of my favourites to play. great mobility, balls-deep initiation. very entertaining. invis runes on tap for pollywog sure help

[Cool09]

Mali is indeed awesome. Hes a force early game too.

Lost one, won 2 last night to break a huge losing streak. Got to try out silhouette too, really fun hero.

[tHornton]

maliken hellbringer is a really strong lane

life voided sword toss is HURT

[Dark 0men]

So apparently Legionnaire's charge is bugged -- if you queue up an autoattack while charging, you do several times more damage when you land. Explains why everybody is picking him :P

[Foul]

Played a game with a Flint who refused to let me mid as defiler which gimped both lanes. He dies mid to Moraxus twice which gives him farm he shouldn't have had after being crowded out of the lane and he lets him keep rune control for some reason and then he doesn't gank. Maliken gets practically free farm with a Poly sitter vs me Defiler and Behe top. Flint ends up with an amazing farm and 27:9 and by the end of the game he's able to solo anyone 1v1 and put Hammer, Poly and Bubbles in the grave in 4-5 shots each, but he chooses to go for Axe or Mali first while we all get CC'd to death by the rest of the team. To top it off, he doesn't seem to understand why the rest of us have almost nothing and everyone on the other team has everything they need, despite me and Dsham trying to explain it to him from minute 1 why you kinda need the other 4 people on your team, why gimping both lanes so you can 'farm mid' is bad and why mid kinda needs to gank. Don't get me wrong, the guy was good at Flint, but it staggers me how good people can be but still be so unaware of how a team works.

Then i played a game where i managed to go 0:12 as Balpha, immediately followed by a game where i go 7:0 as Poly. Swings and roundabouts.

Sniper takes mid, procedes to farm well and outcarry the other team. Focuses their carry, yet he is the one who lost the game.

kkkkkkkkk

[Foul]

So apparently Legionnaire's charge is bugged -- if you queue up an autoattack while charging, you do several times more damage when you land. Explains why everybody is picking him :P

Massively fucking bugged, if you don't have an organized team to watch him and stun his charges good luck.

[Cool09]

A carry has one objective: to get big. Ganks are bonus.

If you have a carry mid, then you have 4 guys in sidelanes and a port is only 135 gold.

ALSO I got hit by a lego super charge the other day... gave me my only death of the match :( That explains it. Was wondering "that really shouldn't take 1/2 my hp should it?!" I'll try it in practice.

[Dark 0men]

Massively fucking bugged, if you don't have an organized team to watch him and stun his charges good luck.
Makes for hilarious casual mode trololols. Full combo (port in, autoattack, taunt, lolcharge) puts a typical retard-build CM carry below execute threshold at any stage of the game. Basically, someone gets the axe every minute at least :D

Oh, and "Aghanim's Scepter reduces cooldown to 10 seconds at all levels" and also Battle Hunger is spammable and does respectable damage and causes a 10% slow. Maybe S2 should get over their baddie pride and just copy shit from DOTA.

[Brisi]

Maybe S2 should get over their baddie pride and just copy shit from DOTA.

I think it's too late anyway. Watching various streams and reading stuff has convinced me that Dota2 is gonna kill HoN anyway. People are just too fed up with S2's bullshit, especially the competitive players.

But ofcourse :valvetime: being :valvetime: means it could be 10 years before it's done.

[Cool09]

They can't copy shit from dota anymore, they have to make their own game with unique mechanics and heroes or get crushed by dota 2. For the most part they have been making all unique items and heroes for months which is a smart move imo. I think they will retain many players once dota 2 is released since many (most?) hon players have never played a game of dota.

Personally I'll likely go straight over to dota 2. I've got thousands of games played in dota (DON'T JUDGE ME) and I just cant leave so many kickass heroes behind :)

[Intigo]

plus S2 is a company of faggots like Maliken?

DotA 2 will probably be pretty awesome

especially since it's back by Valve which is double-awesome

[Lilan kahn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qErFO_SfTg0

[Ask Unbeatable]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qErFO_SfTg0


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[FooB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qErFO_SfTg0

i suddenly have a boner that my troll account happens to be named "MUSLIMTASTIC". i;m going to have some fun with this.

[Intigo]

I want play ;_;

[Phrixus Zephyr]

Sniper takes mid, procedes to farm well and outcarry the other team. Focuses their carry, yet he is the one who lost the game.

kkkkkkkkk
You don't seem to know the meaning of the term carry.

If it was vs an agil carry, it would have worked, but he focuses a tanking, porting, shrunken head carry. So instead of killing squishies first so its 5 versus Mali with magic immunity off. He chips away at Mali or Axe while Mali chews through us, leaving it 5 V Flint.

We called exactly what would happen if he went mid from minute 1. So yeah, he lost the game. He goes top or bot, we can send the right people to Mali's lane and he gets no farm. I spam Axe out of mid and he doesn't get the early PK that he got vs a 'Farming Flint'.

You seem to suffer from the same lack of perspective that he did. "Well i farmed and got a good K:D. Who cares that i let my opposite in mid get a quick PK, all the runes, gank at will and didn't even bother to help keep their carry down. It's everyone elses fault but mine."

If all he was going to do was farm, he should have been in a lane.

[Intigo]

so like

shit is still down?

this is kinda sad with no news from S2, what a shitty developer

[Exortius]

Raging hard right now. What le fuck.

[Ask Unbeatable]

tbh I'm okay with HoN being down because it's so lulzy atm :obama:

[Intigo]

tbh I'm okay with HoN being down because it's so lulzy atm :obama:

so lulzy?

did 2 YouTube videos really provide that much lulz for you?

you are easily entertained, brah

[Ask Unbeatable]

Three videos actually
The threat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qErFO_SfTg0
The "flag"-burning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzl9BggMfkM
The new threat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AtLuHNuhow

but yeah, I guess I am easily entertained :razor:

Plus I finally got around to playing Portal 2. Now if I could get some exam work done...

[Ask Unbeatable]

also (possibly fake):

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3919/9840f82a275092b0cf31165.png
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7219/tjaqv.png

[Intigo]

HoN is back up

so no

[FooB]

ROFL at India being banned. i saw the video and was really, really tempted to make an anonymous video of someone burning the indian flag and calling them all stupid faggots.

I was really hoping, but not actually believing that they would just ban the whole stupid fucking country to teach them a lesson, plus who the fuck wants to play with sandnigger pingers anyway? Well, apparnetly not Maliken. God bless his racist little self.

[Intigo]

jesus christ it's down again?
:psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:

[Dark Flare]

Not big surprise.

[Dark 0men]

New patch out. Couple of premium avatars (including armadon in a top hat) and some questionable UI changes. Picking screen hero tooltips are more informative and there's a new shop interface, complete with really horrible hero guides and a button to auto-skill according to the horrible guides (max hellfire first lolwut gtfo).

tl;dr press ctrl-f8, type "cg_useNewShop2 false"

[HyJek]

holy shit the new ingame item menu is fucking trash...

[Intigo]

holy shit the new ingame item menu is fucking trash...

So true.

I raged like crazy first time, thankfully there's the easy console command above.

Lately had a really annoying trend:
Every game I win is < 25m duration
Every game I lose is > 45m duration

Dropped under 1700 again, T_T

[shigsy]

Its not as bad as most people make it out to be, and if you use console command to get old shop its buggy as fuck.

Also HoN is f2p for 11days so many many smurfs going around atm at 1500~. Fun stomping dudes though.

[Spaztick]

Well, apparnetly not Maliken. God bless his racist little self.
See this is the thing about Maliken, he takes shit from nobody, but ESPECIALLY dem darkies.

[Ask Unbeatable]

I just played a 100-minute game with 9 mentally handicapped people. I want to kill myself.

[Phrixus Zephyr]

Jesus fucking christ the new shop.

"Hey, we decided to replace the small icon based, easily navigated shop with A MASSIVE, NEEDLESSLY FLUFF HEAVY, UNINTUITIVE MONSTROSITY THAT TAKES UP MOST OF THE SCREEN AND MAKES QUICK SHOPPING NIGH ON IMPOSSIBLE!"

Used console to revert, now enjoying bugs.

[spiralJunkie]

I thought India was mainly Sikh. and what terrorist thanks you for watching the video? fukken youtube gays.

also, unrelated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc_aw_B0 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc_aw_B0nDM&feature=related)

[user_31000]

Encoutered a total shift in the heroes i've been playing lately.

Loads of magmus/peb, i still don't realy want to go behemoth cuz of the fail factore if you miss those fissures but hell i enjoy playing initiator/gankers so much atm.

Went 8/8/27 mag and 18/1/x peb, 1750 psr bracket so people aren't supposed to be terrible.

Also had a mag game on USW and landing stuns with 270 lags is kinda hard.

[Dark 0men]

i enjoy playing initiator/gankers so much atm.
I have a hard time imagining why somebody would play any other role. Old kraken was the epitome of this -- free-farming easy lane with wards up and you hit level 6? WHO CARES LET'S GO FUCK SOME SHIT UP.

[Foul]

Jesus fucking christ the new shop.

"Hey, we decided to replace the small icon based, easily navigated shop with A MASSIVE, NEEDLESSLY FLUFF HEAVY, UNINTUITIVE MONSTROSITY THAT TAKES UP MOST OF THE SCREEN AND MAKES QUICK SHOPPING NIGH ON IMPOSSIBLE!"

Used console to revert, now enjoying bugs.

[spiralJunkie]

Rate my shit.

CONCEPT NOT NUMBERS, ETC ETC

http://dream.heroesofnewerth.com/hero/s ... e/Ephaeron (http://dream.heroesofnewerth.com/hero/spiralJunkie/Ephaeron)

[tHornton]

Rate my shit.

CONCEPT NOT NUMBERS, ETC ETC

http://dream.heroesofnewerth.com/hero/s ... e/Ephaeron (http://dream.heroesofnewerth.com/hero/spiralJunkie/Ephaeron)


Part wandering Brave of the sacred Eredfaw Plains, Part Shaman and Shepherd to the Beasts of the Plain, Ephaeron fights for the legion to remove the scourge of the Hellbourne from his land

[spiralJunkie]

Rate my shit.

CONCEPT NOT NUMBERS, ETC ETC

http://dream.heroesofnewerth.com/hero/s ... e/Ephaeron (http://dream.heroesofnewerth.com/hero/spiralJunkie/Ephaeron)


Part wandering Brave of the sacred Eredfaw Plains, Part Shaman and Shepherd to the Beasts of the Plain, Ephaeron fights for the legion to remove the scourge of the Hellbourne from his land

do you like that? you like that don't you? some S2 vol emailed it to me when I published without a description

[Cool09]

Was doing well, then had several derp games. Went 10-5 with gauntlet, killing the other team's carry 9 times putting him 0-9. Yet our other lanes lost so bad the other team basically won 4v5 without their carry. Hurrah....

I was brown in a 1800-1850 bracket game, picked SB and went 7-0. Other team conceded at 15 min, yay. There's a reason skillblade is my #1 played hero...

ALSO yeah the new shop is huge. Why would they put build guides ingame? Stuff like that promotes cookie cutter builds and makes new players lazy. Much better to learn how the mechanics work, gain some experience and figure stuff out yourself imo. That said I guess the majority of players are in badteir where all kinds of lol builds are common.

[Dark 0men]

Stuff like that promotes cookie cutter builds and makes new players lazy

Guides are voted on by everybody. This shining example of democracy will certainly not result in reasonable cookie cutter builds floating to the top :)

For example, the three most popular Pharaoh guides have hellfire maxed before mummies. One of them has hellfire maxed before rocket. The item choices are a little dubious as well.

[Bielz]

Stuff like that promotes cookie cutter builds and makes new players lazy

Guides are voted on by everybody. This shining example of democracy will certainly not result in reasonable cookie cutter builds floating to the top :)

For example, the three most popular Pharaoh guides have hellfire maxed before mummies. One of them has hellfire maxed before rocket. The item choices are a little dubious as well.
I've heard some one on honcast, one of the pro insites, talking about how hellfire is underrated and can be skilled first. It actually does more damage than rocket and has that awesome mini stun. It was a while ago but i'll see if I can find it.

[Lilan kahn]

Stuff like that promotes cookie cutter builds and makes new players lazy

Guides are voted on by everybody. This shining example of democracy will certainly not result in reasonable cookie cutter builds floating to the top :)

For example, the three most popular Pharaoh guides have hellfire maxed before mummies. One of them has hellfire maxed before rocket. The item choices are a little dubious as well.
I've heard some one on honcast, one of the pro insites, talking about how hellfire is underrated and can be skilled first. It actually does more damage than rocket and has that awesome mini stun. It was a while ago but i'll see if I can find it.


mummies and hellfire is generally more awesome than rocket, then again depends on who you lane with

[Dark 0men]

I've heard some one on honcast, one of the pro insites, talking about how hellfire is underrated and can be skilled first. It actually does more damage than rocket and has that awesome mini stun. It was a while ago but i'll see if I can find it.
Unless you are doing something specific like fucking with a soulstealer mid, or abusing some retard who keeps going off alone or playing against a team of 5 pseudo-blink heroes, getting hellfire past level 1 isn't really worth it. Vigorous team-based rape inside 6-second mummies is always better than a 10-second hellfire chase with creep-mitigated damage.

Rocket, of course, should be maxed at level 7 in almost every game. It does more total damage than pyro's wave and the 10-second sight is amazing.

[FooB]

I've heard some one on honcast, one of the pro insites, talking about how hellfire is underrated and can be skilled first. It actually does more damage than rocket and has that awesome mini stun. It was a while ago but i'll see if I can find it.
Unless you are doing something specific like fucking with a soulstealer mid, or abusing some retard who keeps going off alone or playing against a team of 5 pseudo-blink heroes, getting hellfire past level 1 isn't really worth it. Vigorous team-based rape inside 6-second mummies is always better than a 10-second hellfire chase with creep-mitigated damage.

Rocket, of course, should be maxed at level 7 in almost every game. It does more total damage than pyro's wave and the 10-second sight is amazing.

calling bullshit.

i have played pharoah a fuckton and i very rarely get more than one level in mummies until hellfire and rocket is maxed out. Rocket is usually maxed out first unless the lane opponent is hopeless at escaping then it will be hellfire for the increased total damage. 6 second mummies are not needed in lane phase because hellfire will keep them from escaping you, and the mummies are only needed to intially trap that fucker in range of hellfire.

Mummies are best used to seperate teams in fights, not necessarily to isolate one specific target. Of course it helps a lot if someone who should be focused happens to be standing directly in the middle of a group of heroes so you can take him out as well but its the seperation of the team, and the acting upon that that makes pharoah utterly rape. Mummies should rarely be maxed early game, usually only when playing mid against a very mana-dependant hero (such as pebbles), and even then its probably not necessary to max them, just to max rocket first and get a couple of levels so the drain from the mummies is enough to stop him combo-ing.

[Cool09]

As foob said mummies are only leveled early if you are doing a mana burn strat. Don't underestimate hellfire, it can be awesome at early levels, almost like swiftblade's spin.

[Dark 0men]

As foob said mummies are only leveled early if you are doing a mana burn strat. Don't underestimate hellfire, it can be awesome at early levels, almost like swiftblade's spin.
Swiftblade spin is magic immune, remember? Pharaoh takes one disable and suddenly you wasted the remaining 7 seconds of hellfire and your team can't catch up while enemy team is porting in and looking to rape your face.

Maxed hellfire *can* get you some kills in the right situations, but mummies reliably destroy entire teams.

[Xan]

Max hellfire against heroes with no escape mechanism, max rocket otherwise. Mummies requires FAR more coordination and teamwork to use effectively, and far to many newbs think OMG I GOT THIS GUY, and pop mummies, only to completely fuck their own team, as the opposing chipper/bomber utterly destroy them for being retarded.

I almost universally max hellfire first, because it is what turns pharaoh into one of the best gankers, from just a solid one.

[Dark 0men]

Mummies requires FAR more coordination and teamwork to use effectively, and far to many newbs think OMG I GOT THIS GUY, and pop mummies, only to completely fuck their own team, as the opposing chipper/bomber utterly destroy them for being retarded.
I don't think we are talking about noobs only games here.

Also, hilarious mummy fuckups are all the more reason to level them. I have my share of those :P

[Polysynchronicity]

Shepherding a 5v5 newbie tutoring game = FFFFUUUUUUU

Shepherding a 5v5 newbie tutoring game with a retard who doesn't understand the big YOU'LL BE PERMABANNED FOR FUCKING WITH THESE GAMES = :psyduck:

[spiralJunkie]

Shepherding a 5v5 newbie tutoring game = FFFFUUUUUUU

Shepherding a 5v5 newbie tutoring game with a retard who doesn't understand the big YOU'LL BE PERMABANNED FOR FUCKING WITH THESE GAMES = :psyduck:

they're letting you teach noobs?
http://fc.deviantart.com/fs7/i/2005/219/5/4/pixeld_psyduck_by_vaporotem.jpg

[Dark 0men]

Cripes, new patch (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=262926). Typical random :s2: changes, a few heroes got mega-fucked:


Andromeda
- Mana cost of Comet from 95/110/125/140 to 110/120/130/140
- Aurora duration from 14/16/18/20 to 14 seconds
- Void Rip cooldown from 45/45/45 to 70/60/50
Behemoth
- Heavy Weight damage from 25/45/75/115 to 25/55/85/115
- Heavy Weight stun duration from 0.3/0.7/1.2/1.5 to 0.6/0.9/1.2/1.5
- Shockwave Magic damage for additional units from 35/45/65 to 35/45/55
- Shockwave Magic damage from corpses removed
Bubbles
- Take Cover duration reduced from 0.75/1.5/2.25/3 to .25/1/1.75/2.5

Minor pharaoh rocket mana cost increase. Absolutely retarded hatchet buff:

Logger's Hatchet
- Reworked slightly
* Activates to throw an axe at target enemy creep or neutral
* 600 Range, 30s cooldown
* Deals your attack damage to target on impact
* Can still target a tree to kill it and only has a 15 second cooldown if targeting a tree
- Retains passive
Oh, and there is a new hero, but I'm at work and can't find spells or stats for him anywhere.

[Spaztick]

[quote=Cool09]Stuff like that promotes cookie cutter builds and makes new players lazy

Guides are voted on by everybody. This shining example of democracy will certainly not result in reasonable cookie cutter builds floating to the top :)

For example, the three most popular Pharaoh guides have hellfire maxed before mummies. One of them has hellfire maxed before rocket. The item choices are a little dubious as well.
I've heard some one on honcast, one of the pro insites, talking about how hellfire is underrated and can be skilled first. It actually does more damage than rocket and has that awesome mini stun. It was a while ago but i'll see if I can find it.


mummies and hellfire is generally more awesome than rocket, then again depends on who you lane with[/quote:327pvwm2]
I like rocket leveling first if you're mid, awesome harass tool and can push creeps up when you go to gank a lane. Pharaoh is my favorite hero by far.

[tHornton]

Cripes, new patch (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=262926). Typical random :s2: changes, a few heroes got mega-fucked:
[quote]
Andromeda
- Mana cost of Comet from 95/110/125/140 to 110/120/130/140
- Aurora duration from 14/16/18/20 to 14 seconds
- Void Rip cooldown from 45/45/45 to 70/60/50
Behemoth
- Heavy Weight damage from 25/45/75/115 to 25/55/85/115
- Heavy Weight stun duration from 0.3/0.7/1.2/1.5 to 0.6/0.9/1.2/1.5
- Shockwave Magic damage for additional units from 35/45/65 to 35/45/55
- Shockwave Magic damage from corpses removed
Bubbles
- Take Cover duration reduced from 0.75/1.5/2.25/3 to .25/1/1.75/2.5

Minor pharaoh rocket mana cost increase. Absolutely retarded hatchet buff:

Logger's Hatchet
- Reworked slightly
* Activates to throw an axe at target enemy creep or neutral
* 600 Range, 30s cooldown
* Deals your attack damage to target on impact
* Can still target a tree to kill it and only has a 15 second cooldown if targeting a tree
- Retains passive
Oh, and there is a new hero, but I'm at work and can't find spells or stats for him anywhere.[/quote:3k9nm63q]
:psyduck:

also, bit strange that you didn't include the slither nerfs in your post:

Slither
- Added a targetradius for the tooltip of Poison Spray
- Removed 10% movement slow from Toxicity
- Toxicity is no longer an attack modifer
- Toxicity's regen disable from 40/60/80/100% to 20/40/60/80%

also, fayde changes are quite interesting (especially considering i had literally completely forgotten about this hero), think she's been reworked now more times than any other hero...

Fayde
- Reworked
- Cull
* Now always manaburns
* Damage increased from 100/150/200/250 to 100/160/220/280
* Manaburn is now 7/14/21/28% on all targets hit, Fayde gains mana equal to half the mana burnt
- Burning Shadows
* Now always stuns
* Manacost lowered from 85/105/125/145 to 85/100/115/130
* Damage and stun are the same
- Scythe/Shadow Stance
* Removed
- New ability: Deep Shadows
* Target an area, summoning shadows there for 5 seconds
* Shadows slow enemies by 15/20/25/30% and increase Fayde's movespeed by 15/20/25/30% while they are inside of it
* Movespeed modifiers linger for 1 second
- Reflection
* Now has treewalking
* Now grants Fayde 1200 clearvision while stealthed by Reflection
* This sight lingers for 2 seconds after exiting stealth

[Dark 0men]

Oh, and there is a new hero, but I'm at work and can't find spells or stats for him anywhere.
Oops, found Martyr (http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/heroview.php?hid=188). Looks interesting, autoattack damage is tighter and higher than most range 600 supports. Much like demented, Martyr could make hilarious lane combos with hyper-aggressive melee like pharaoh/rampage/maliken/predator/pestilence. +125 movespeed mid-late game is rape on melee carries.


I like rocket leveling first if you're mid, awesome harass tool and can push creeps up when you go to gank a lane. Pharaoh is my favorite hero by far.
Think of it this way. You use hellfire and mummies only when you are killing someone. You use rocket ALL THE FUCKING TIME. If you want to have more impact on the game, you level rocket. Also, fuck the mana cost bump. Going to buy moar sobi mask, and max rocket first every time anyway.


also, bit strange that you didn't include the slither nerfs in your post:
I guess I don't like slither :) (fuck slither)


Edit: lolhatchet on ranged mid against soulstealer. That bitch tries to make you choose between deny and last hit? FUCK YOU EAT A DICK.
Edit edit: or hell, just hatchet+auto the same creep as ranged.

[Spaztick]

:psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:

:S2:

[Ask Unbeatable]

Bubbles
- Take Cover duration reduced from 0.75/1.5/2.25/3 to .25/1/1.75/2.5


:cry:

[Dark 0men]

Bubbles
- Take Cover duration reduced from 0.75/1.5/2.25/3 to .25/1/1.75/2.5


:cry:
Just as I wanted to train to be a super skilled autocast-take-cover bubbles professional.

[Dark Flare]

Thank fuck for that, Bubbles can no longer jew away from EVERYTHING with PK.

[Ask Unbeatable]

Bubs is my most played hero. That shit was funny ;)

But yeah, it's probably for the best

[Phrixus Zephyr]

Typical random :s2: changes
They're hardly random.

Bubbles take cover nerf was needed.

Behe changes are all decent scaling changes and the change to his ult reduces the damage but means you don't need dead creeps anymore to do a omgwtf ult.

Andro changes are all pro gamer meta 'early roaming Andro' nerfs. I don't like the aurora duration change personally, but the hero will still be an effective roamer and will work exactly the same in the lane and once you get to mid game.

Slither gets a nerf to toxicity which it probably needed, but it's no longer an attack modifier which imo, is a decent counter buff that gives him a little more latitude.

Not sure about the Fayde, Hatchet or Martyr yet.


Jeraziah
- Inner Light from True Damage to Magic Damage
:cry:


Empath
- Illusory Veil duration from 2/3/4/5 to 3/4/5/6
8-)

[Spaztick]

If you can get farmed, ring + bottle + refresher + some mana = double ulti + combo er'ryday.

[HyJek]

so is martyr any good? messed around with it in practice but haven't had a real game with him yet

[Intigo]

why the fuck did they nerf jera?

[The Pie]

so is martyr any good? messed around with it in practice but haven't had a real game with him yet

Played 2 games so far... Early game seems very powerful (with a competent laning partner). I try to hover around 50% hp from whatever harass they give me, and then the nuke-slow just eats everything. I've been maxing the first two abilities both times, and have been quite successful--even the tiny bit of damage reduction (whatever the 2nd ability is called?) at level 1 has saved my partners a few times.

Though you definitely need to set up for dat late game farm, 'cause you need that massive health pool to help your team in any way whatsoever. Spam megaheals every 6 secs, baby!

[Dark 0men]

/ignorechat is the best thing ever. CM games are *so* much fun with it.

[HyJek]

so is martyr any good? messed around with it in practice but haven't had a real game with him yet

Played 2 games so far... Early game seems very powerful (with a competent laning partner). I try to hover around 50% hp from whatever harass they give me, and then the nuke-slow just eats everything. I've been maxing the first two abilities both times, and have been quite successful--even the tiny bit of damage reduction (whatever the 2nd ability is called?) at level 1 has saved my partners a few times.

Though you definitely need to set up for dat late game farm, 'cause you need that massive health pool to help your team in any way whatsoever. Spam megaheals every 6 secs, baby!

I dunno, not a fan so far. Seems like he's a bit unpractical in team fights and is really only worth the short ult and a decent nuke. Better support to pick from tbh

[Lilan kahn]

i like the damage soak buff thingie combine that with the nuke and super heal makes for preety lulz

[Foul]

:companioncube: this patch.

My queue time has gone up to 5-10min though which is fucking annoying.

[Ask Unbeatable]

tma: getting immortal, all towers, mid rax and decent farm


and then your team concedes


:x

[zangorus]

TB is fun to play :)

[Intigo]

shit is down again?

[Exortius]

shit is down again?

Yeah wtf. It seems like whenever I have some free time and decide to play, the cocksucking servers are down.

[Phrixus Zephyr]

ddos from UK and Croatia apparently.

[Intigo]

wow, this is pathetic

zzz S2

[Phrixus Zephyr]

wow, this is pathetic

zzz S2
Yeah they should be more professional, like Sony.. oh wait

[Ask Unbeatable]

Heroes of Newerth DDoS II: Not Funny Any More

[PiePork]

Heroes of Newerth DDoS II: Not Funny Any More

[user_31000]

That's pretty surprising considering how many zombie cloud indian people must have under their control.

[Tyrrax Thorrk]

think this is the longest the servers have been down since beta ;O
I just noticed a nice forum message I got a few days ago tho;

from [S2]JamesTowN
S2 Staff Member
Where you been
I miss your Ophelia replays..

[HyJek]

are they still down? if so have they said when they will be back up?

[Tyrrax Thorrk]

Still down, and nop S2 haven't said anything useful.

[Lucifer Fellblade]

They said that stuff is slowly coming back up and some people might be able to get into games.

edit: in a no stats now

[Dark 0men]

Status thread. (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=266632)

tl;dr S2 is trying rly hard, honest.

[Foul]

It's not exactly the easiest thing to fix.

[spiralJunkie]

Runed Cleaver
- Now can be used to cut down trees

wat

[Phrixus Zephyr]

Looks like Harlequin and Drunken Master will be new heroes soon enough. For those of you that don't remember, Harlequin was one of Nome's hero ideas before he became staff and it looked pretty fucking good. Really wanted his pack of goblins (forget the name) idea based on Meepo, but i don't think it will make it in the game because of "no porting, copyright blahblah".

[Spaztick]

Heroes of Newerth DDoS II: Not Funny Any More
Gooks everywhere shout and dance in the streets in celebration.

[Tyrrax Thorrk]

latest update in the sticky is interesting :O


Maliken]HoN is semi-operational again. We are not out of the water just yet. However, we are making progress.

On a more positive note, we have confirmed the identity of the individual responsible for the criminal acts causing HoN's downtime. Even better news is the UK government takes these matters VERY seriously http://www.met.police.uk/pceu/ 10 years in prison for a "flag in a video game" seems pretty silly to me!

We are working with authorities there and expect to have justice soon!

apparently it's mostly playable again now

[spiralJunkie]

where did my bonus '1st honiversary game' coins go?

[Brisi]

where did my bonus '1st honiversary game' coins go?

All got spend on battling ddos attacks, sry.

[Exortius]

Still down for me. I can occasionally log in but MM isn't working.

[Intigo]

holy shit S2 suck so much dick it's amazing

[Phrixus Zephyr]

Fukkin' love Magmus 8-)

[Exortius]

MM still not working for me. It says average wait time is 2 seconds, and my wait time clock never starts ticking =(

[tHornton]

MM still not working for me. It says average wait time is 2 seconds, and my wait time clock never starts ticking =(

the wait queue timer is bugged but it does still queue u into mm bro

[Dark 0men]

Derp. Played some pharaoh in shitty CM games, hellfire before mummies really fucks retards up if they give you any sort of level and hp advantage. I even tried leaving rocket at rank 1, but that was too painful.

Also, initiating against bads is just so satisfying. Properly placed mummies destroy what little cohesion a CM pub team might have. I even somehow carried (http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=41675591) 4 new players (check out rampage's and vindicator's items and yes, vindicator bought firebrand first).

[spiralJunkie]

Derp. Played some pharaoh in shitty CM games, hellfire before mummies really fucks retards up if they give you any sort of level and hp advantage. I even tried leaving rocket at rank 1, but that was too painful.

Also, initiating against bads is just so satisfying. Properly placed mummies destroy what little cohesion a CM pub team might have. I even somehow carried (http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=41675591) 4 new players (check out rampage's and vindicator's items and yes, vindicator bought firebrand first).


people heard breaky say 'carry vindi' I guess, so bought carry items, not undersatanding his skillset. tma buying EP and Basher on NH

[spiralJunkie]

Derp. Played some pharaoh in shitty CM games, hellfire before mummies really fucks retards up if they give you any sort of level and hp advantage. I even tried leaving rocket at rank 1, but that was too painful.

Also, initiating against bads is just so satisfying. Properly placed mummies destroy what little cohesion a CM pub team might have. I even somehow carried (http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=41675591) 4 new players (check out rampage's and vindicator's items and yes, vindicator bought firebrand first).

also not to call you a liar

Level 1Wall of Mummies (Lvl 1)[19s]
Level 2Hellfire (Lvl 1)[48s]

[tHornton]

Derp. Played some pharaoh in shitty CM games, hellfire before mummies really fucks retards up if they give you any sort of level and hp advantage. I even tried leaving rocket at rank 1, but that was too painful.

Also, initiating against bads is just so satisfying. Properly placed mummies destroy what little cohesion a CM pub team might have. I even somehow carried (http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=41675591) 4 new players (check out rampage's and vindicator's items and yes, vindicator bought firebrand first).

also not to call you a liar

Level 1Wall of Mummies (Lvl 1)[19s]
Level 2Hellfire (Lvl 1)[48s]

think he means maxing hellfire before mummies

[Phrixus Zephyr]

Maxing hellfire first was always good in certain lanes. "Hey you got stuns? Too bad, i caught you on your own in a wall and now you're dead... and now your friend is dead"

[spiralJunkie]

let's have the Pharaoh correct skill build discussion again

[Phrixus Zephyr]

Played Martyr for the first time, fights generally went like this.

Send Zephyr in.
Cast Guardian.
Cast ult.
Win.

Running around with <10% health spamming hilarious nukes its pretty funny.

[Cool09]

Played against martyr as sniper... lolz Low hp? Headshot.

[Dark 0men]

Played against martyr as sniper... lolz Low hp? Headshot.
I love hooking smug snipers who stay behind for a money shot after their team loses a fight. Kills? NOT ON MY WATCH

[FooB]

1) play amun-ra for the first time

2) 433GPM'd

3) destroy entire teams with lvl 3 spellshards making your cooldowns absolutley fucking ridiculous, and your "1-token-per-teamfight" ultimate

4) fill other slots with steamboots, shamans, nullstone, behe heart and hotbl, stalk around with 3500 HP and a regen almost as powerful as the well.

5) mana?

[Dark Flare]

Amun-ra?

[FooB]

Amun-ra?

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/matc ... d=41962602 (http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=41962602)

[Bielz]

amnu ra is so obnoxious. I've come to the conclusion a puzzle box is needed to kill him.

[Cool09]

Ya just played against him. He got shivas which pretty much cancelled out any mana burn we could do.

[HyJek]

so I can't login or access the website...anyone else?

[Tyrrax Thorrk]

Forum's up again now, game's still not available.


We are resolving a number of issues related to network outages at one of our major NoCs. We have WWW back online and limited DB connectivity. Progress is being made... I'll update this thread as more information passes my way.


Our current situation is not caused by an intentional attack. One of our two main NoCs had significant internal issues. These issues eventually resulted in the corruption of a few very large tables in our database (as well as no accessibility to a crucial SAN drive system).

We are repairing those tables, however, it may a while due to the size of the table and potential damage. I can't give an ETA as there is too much uncertainty.

Just know this, we are working as quickly as possible to restore service. Outside of the potential material impact to S2's business we ALL want to get a few games in ASAP!!

[Fara]

motherfuckers. Here I was taking a break from studying (20minute slol) and then I can't login. :RAEG:

[Dark 0men]

I just played a game where I called 90% of enemy pebbles' ganks seconds before he blunk and got a kill. I think a teammate reported me :P Or at least he said "reported" (and then nothing else) in post-match chat. Psychic maphax best hax.

Edit: Never mind, the guy merely disagreed with my claim that hammerstorm is bad :(

[Gran Masakari]

Jumping on the Amun Ra is ridiculous bandwagon. He just...doesn't...die.

[spiralJunkie]

Jumping on the Amun Ra is ridiculous bandwagon. He just...doesn't...die.

yeah, he seems like he can jungle early with impunity, then treewalk onto the sidelane and burn some fucks

[Exortius]

Confirming amun ra is fucked. Also fuck martyr.

[Polysynchronicity]

insanitarius on ra is pretty nice. the self damage doesn't give him charges but he will have so much hp regen after helm/shamans/passive that you can pretty much use it at will. bonus hp/str makes your nukes bigger. best part, once you get heart you can leave it on forever.

[Phrixus Zephyr]

Still havn't used Amun-Ra, but from fighting him, the idea was just to treat him like an other carry and stop him from farming or getting a level advantage. Havn't been in a game where he's run away with it, but then i only play SD/BD/BP.

[user_31000]

He's pretty bad if he gets no HP item fast, can get totaly outcarried and overall has a low carry value against true agi carry.

We had a game on the day of release where he got raped by our mb despite having like 20k worth of items and still couldn't do shit due to overall low single target damage output.

[Dark 0men]

Uh Ra is a ganker/mid-game semi-carry. I don't know why baddies insist on treating every hero as a late game rice-for-50-minutes hard carry.

Buy some regen, buy a portal key, kill bitches and push their towers.

Edit: Valve derped, leaked some Dota 2 beta (http://www.dotallyrad.com/2011/06/05/dota-2-making-progress-s2-puts-staff-on-a-leash/) stuff (http://dota2talk.com/news/sneak-peak-at-dota-2-changelogs/). HoN is so fucked when this thing comes out :P

[Zavior]

We've just been treating Amun-Ra as skeleton king and he has been pretty average at best, still havent seen anyone win a game with him

[user_31000]

Uh Ra is a ganker/mid-game semi-carry. I don't know why baddies insist on treating every hero as a late game rice-for-50-minutes hard carry.

Buy some regen, buy a portal key, kill bitches and push their towers.

Edit: Valve derped, leaked some Dota 2 beta (http://www.dotallyrad.com/2011/06/05/dota-2-making-progress-s2-puts-staff-on-a-leash/) stuff (http://dota2talk.com/news/sneak-peak-at-dota-2-changelogs/). HoN is so fucked when this thing comes out :P


Problem is even as an initiator he's average at best but way beyond morax/behe/magmus cuz unlike those his stun isn't at 100% sure stun, it's the kind of initiator you can easily run away from wich makes them bad like old kraken was.

[Phrixus Zephyr]

Played as Amun-Ra twice now, jungled for both, ganked the side lane. Started ganking when i had Shamans Headdress and basic boots, went back in when there was no one to gank till i got Helm and then it was business as usual.

His DoT is apparently True damage but is supposed to be Magic, so that will be changed. He only has a Str gain of 2.0 so he goes down hard if you don't have HP/Str items, for that reason im thinking Headdress might be a risky first item against people who know what they're doing.

He's a brawler though. You still need a solid initiator and stunner.

[spiralJunkie]

bad like old kraken was.
http://anomit.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/1b957c3f7e8f1e8eaa905e683e84d89c.jpg

Old Kraken was immense. ult + pk combo was great, ult + tp was greatest

[Dark 0men]

Problem is even as an initiator he's average at best but way beyond morax/behe/magmus cuz unlike those his stun isn't at 100% sure stun, it's the kind of initiator you can easily run away from wich makes them bad like old kraken was.
Ra can use portal key in the same way as soulstealer. You don't necessarily blink head-first into rapetown (although Ra can certainly get away with it), you just use it for positioning, mobility and map control.

Also, old kraken ult shat on every hero without a teleport/charge.

[user_31000]

Also, old kraken ult shat on every hero without a teleport/charge.


bad like old kraken was.
http://anomit.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/1b957c3f7e8f1e8eaa905e683e84d89c.jpg

Old Kraken was immense. ult + pk combo was great, ult + tp was greatest

Bar a poor stun at the right moment, a tablet whatever ...

Don't take me wrong, i don't say amun is a BAD hero, he's sure fun, has potential but he's way less op then let's say, release FA ( lol 300 dmg /hit squelettons+poison+ stun volley ) Release fayde, or for the moment, release Silouhette.

Tons of people are whining about him ( as usual ) but nerfing him would only push him back to "fun but mostly unpicked heroes" like balphe has been with all the successive nerfs he got. Kinda the same for empath wich was a tad bit op at release but who's now kind of useless and overall never picked anymore over (buffed) ds, or a harder support with reliable stuns/abilities.

Ss ult can deal around 1600 aoe damage to all target in melee range, with a radius o flike 2000 unit, same for magmus ult or behe ult.

I'm just thinkin he's not op, totaly managable and overall a good hero.

Also i loved old kraken ult, it didn't make it good.

[Dark 0men]

Bar a poor stun at the right moment, a tablet whatever ...
wat

Do you not know that you could trigger it early? Port in, press r, instant profit. It's the weirdest fucking thing, nobody knew how to play old kraken correctly.

[spiralJunkie]

[quote="user_31000":315zcwrh]Bar a poor stun at the right moment, a tablet whatever ...
wat

Do you not know that you could trigger it early? Port in, press r, instant profit. It's the weirdest fucking thing, nobody knew how to play old kraken correctly.[/quote:315zcwrh]


I don't usually agree with you
but when I do

it's about kraken being great

[spiralJunkie]

also, from the official forums

I have a question: Is swiftblade using his ultimate without creeps being nearby to take the hits forbidden? Is it an official rule that swiftblade may only press R when the opposing team has creeps nearby? Because if it is not official than it should be. My team just lost a won game because the opposing team's swiftblade used his ultimate against us several times while we were without creep support, and genocided us. For example, we were running down the river and he came down off the hill and unfairly used his ultimate when we didn't have creeps or neutrals around to help us. Is this a reason for reporting such behavior? And is it even punishable? Thank you for responses.

[FooB]

also, from the official forums

I have a question: Is swiftblade using his ultimate without creeps being nearby to take the hits forbidden? Is it an official rule that swiftblade may only press R when the opposing team has creeps nearby? Because if it is not official than it should be. My team just lost a won game because the opposing team's swiftblade used his ultimate against us several times while we were without creep support, and genocided us. For example, we were running down the river and he came down off the hill and unfairly used his ultimate when we didn't have creeps or neutrals around to help us. Is this a reason for reporting such behavior? And is it even punishable? Thank you for responses.

link2fred

srsly. not only do i have to berate this idiot, but i have to see those who have berated him before me.

[Brisi]

also, from the official forums

I have a question: Is swiftblade using his ultimate without creeps being nearby to take the hits forbidden? Is it an official rule that swiftblade may only press R when the opposing team has creeps nearby? Because if it is not official than it should be. My team just lost a won game because the opposing team's swiftblade used his ultimate against us several times while we were without creep support, and genocided us. For example, we were running down the river and he came down off the hill and unfairly used his ultimate when we didn't have creeps or neutrals around to help us. Is this a reason for reporting such behavior? And is it even punishable? Thank you for responses.

link2fred

srsly. not only do i have to berate this idiot, but i have to see those who have berated him before me.

You mean who got trolled? :facepalm:

[FooB]

oh hey look, hon is down yet again for the 2000000000th day in a row.

how fucking fun.

[spiralJunkie]

oh hey look, hon is down yet again for the 2000000000th day in a row.

how fucking fun.


hry spiral, we heard you're crippled and can't play HoN atm, soo we took the servers down

[Exortius]

BE SEATED AND LET ME AVAIL YOU OF THE STORY OF YON "BAD TIER"

-at least three people on your team will pick a carry
-at least two will pick a jungler
-at least one will pick either scout or nh (especially when he doesn't work well with other picks)
-at least one will be afk and will random, then cry about it when game starts
-whoever picked scout/nh will d/c if they die before 15
-no courier, no wards, about 95% of the time
-about 50% of the games, people will argue about lanes, thus fucking up l1/2 farming
-about 25% of the time, at least 4 people on your team will go melee
-one out of every five games, someone on your team will forget to buy items before heading to lane
-no one will mention wards until about midgame when you've already been ganked/raped a dozen times
-you will only face one out of three different types of opposing teams: five locks of high-mmr alts = rapetown, another retarded team (50/50 if you win), a team with 1 or 2 people with alts that proceeds to rape face (not as bad as aforementioned rapetown)

And that, gentlemen, is how you get stuck in bad tier.

tl;dr :cut:

[Phrixus Zephyr]

I got out of bad tier by playing ganker/semi-supports that can afford to courier at the start and then ward on top of items bought with gold from kills (because no other fucker will do it). Now im just stuck in the 1600 bracket because i suck at the game.

[Exortius]

I got out of bad tier by playing ganker/semi-supports that can afford to courier at the start and then ward on top of items bought with gold from kills (because no other fucker will do it). Now im just stuck in the 1600 bracket because i suck at the game.

That's what i've been doing for the last month or so, currently at 900 MMR with respectable stats otherswise (.93 k/d >1 wards per game etc). Current game, we all agreed during picks that we needed a tank to round out the team, dude goes "ok" and picks pebbles. We do ok, then our fb decides to leave once he gets to 2/4/6, we get rolled. Sigh.

[Exortius]

So FB d/cs and leaves his firebrand, pebbles takes it. LOL

[haack]

if your stuck in 900psr you are a 900psr player so shut the fuck up and get better

[FooB]

900mmr? Thats stat reset or subaccount territory.

[Lilan kahn]

it isnt even hard to play out of 900 mmr land done it 2 times already :lol:

[spiralJunkie]

it isnt even hard to play out of 900 mmr land done it 2 times already :lol:

just play witchslayer/maliken/bubbles a lot

[Lilan kahn]

it isnt even hard to play out of 900 mmr land done it 2 times already :lol:

just play witchslayer/maliken/bubbles a lot

i do better with kraken/pharo/pyro but then again a hon noob

[spiralJunkie]

[quote="Lilan kahn":1aqa5py7]it isnt even hard to play out of 900 mmr land done it 2 times already :lol:

just play witchslayer/maliken/bubbles a lot

i do better with kraken/pharo/pyro but then again a hon noob[/quote:1aqa5py7]

pyro and witchslayer are tres similar

[Phrixus Zephyr]

Jester was good for pub stomping in bad tier. 21:1:x 8-)

Can't get away with it in my current bracket though, you're expected to hard support with Jester and and people know to run away from your combo. :x

[Exortius]

if your stuck in 900psr you are a 900psr player so shut the fuck up and get better

k

[Ask Unbeatable]

if your stuck in 900psr you are a 900psr player so shut the fuck up and get better

k

Or play a few (read: many) games with SHCers :)

[spiralJunkie]

if your stuck in 900psr you are a 900psr player so shut the fuck up and get better

k

Or play a few (read: many) games with SHCers :)

that can only end badly

[Ask Unbeatable]

if your stuck in 900psr you are a 900psr player so shut the fuck up and get better

k

Or play a few (read: many) games with SHCers :)

that can only end badly

bad but fun :nostradamus:

[Tyrrax Thorrk]

i can raise your mmr for you if you want to share login, i'm at 1937 atm, wouldn't mind stomping some newbies on a 900 mmr account ))

[spiralJunkie]

i can raise your mmr for you if you want to share login, i'm at 1937 atm, wouldn't mind stomping some newbies on a 900 mmr account ))

as long as you don't mind stupidly high slither % on your account. but it's true. Tyrrax is a huge snownig faggot, but he knows how to win matches

[Tyrrax Thorrk]

i haven't really played slither since beta ;O
I pretty much only play Ophelia since you introduced her to me

[Lilan kahn]

i am rly shit with micromanagement heroes :(

[spiralJunkie]

i am rly shit with micromanagement heroes :(

beauty of ophelia is if you get domi helm, you don'y need to micro. you just stack auras and righ click on kongor/towers/wtc and they fall

[Voulture]

I am not really playing anymore but Ophelia was most fun to play hero for me, i even created a smurf ages ago dedicated in playing her. I think i pushed it up to like 1650 at least :P
Also, codex. Codex ophelia too good.

[Jon.J]

Might pick this up again, not played in a fucking age though. Can anyone give me a run down on relatively new heroes and items?

Oh, and good heroes for terrible players.

[FooB]

confirming sharing account info with Tyrrax is basically guaranteeing a 99% ophelia usage rate.


Ophelia question - is there a leash on the creeps? like how Booboo can't attack if hes 900 or more units away from wildsoul, but Trembles Shudder can attack whatever the fuck he likes anywhere on the map.

[spiralJunkie]

Might pick this up again, not played in a fucking age though. Can anyone give me a run down on relatively new heroes and items?

Oh, and good heroes for terrible players.
play Pharaoh a lot, tell your team what you're about to do. go middle, win middle, control runes, gank often