Syndicate - The Endless Waltz

[AndersonW]

SYNDICATE - The Endless Waltz (As of July 2012)


Let me know what I've missed (there will be a lot).

THE OLD POWERBASES

PC9 area: The old fortress of Huzzah, now held by Masquerade and friends. Lots of Drake and BC gangs around here that venture out into 'mainland' Syndicate and also head down to the S-U pocket for fights there. It appears that Flatline have also moved into the area, in T22 (thanks Lexa). Judging from killboards they seem quite capable of fielding decent capital numbers and it'll be interesting to see whether battles over T22's Tech moon arise.

S-U pocket: Hidden deep in the bowels of Syndicate, the S-U pocket is very defensible (long way to get there, easy entry systems to place scouts, etc.) and yet has probably seen the biggest turnover of alliances of any recent times.

The Drake is again the creature of choice here - and they're breeding. Inhabitants include Darkspawn and Moon Warriors. Darkspawn have been up to as many as 60 in local during EU peak time and although so far I've only managed to get engagements via portal/bubble traps, I think there is a lot of promise here, at least given the spike in activity.

SEDITION and Ishuk-Raata also hunt here (attacking Darkspawn and co.), with SEDITION basing in S-U and Ishuk holding fort nearby in DP34. SEDITION seem able to field quite a mix of setups, ranging from armour HACS to sniping Tier3 BCs, which is a welcome relief amid a sea of Drakes. Ishuk-Raata, to my knowledge at least, bias somewhat toward shield.

Completing the roster are the mysterious "Kin.Dza.Dza." and their allies, Anarchy Squad. This duo are neutral to the other groups, too, which ought to create some prickly and anatomically complex situations on gates throughout the pocket. Albeit, with more Drakes.

TXW to D85: Rote Kapelle, long-standing Syndicate residents, live in TXW. They run gangs regularly in US TZ and field a good variety of setups. Usually fast moving stuff although they sometimes bring out what Bacc calls Rooks and Kings Lite, and drop battleships, guardians and capitals. TXW is a very reliable place for US TZ roaming gangs to drop in for action.

The run from TXW to D85 seems less active although there are some local groups camping it. For an entry system, D85 is surprisingly rarely camped, and definitely the most quiet entry system to Sydndicate. Although don't ask me for isk if you're jumping your unscouted freighter in now.

Y9G area: I really must visit Y9G. Firstly, to find out who lives there presently. I believe it still to be Raven Federation, NAP or War and their allies. I am uncertain of their present fleet composition, though in times past they fought Huzzah Federation and could field a sizeable fleet. I recall once hotdropping some 70 of them (in battleships, no less), although I think twenty is a more realistic number these days (and probably more BC-based). They've lost some towers to Solitude power, Psychotic Tendencies, and also have fresh company in the form of Flying Dangerous, who moved in from 6-C.

The second reason to visit Y9G is that I still have a Navy Geddon there. Having once mistakenly taken a ship that was missing half its mods including all its guns (long story), I sheepishly explained to the fleet that I needed a second faction BS carrier jumped in for me, because I'd forgotten some crystals. 'Take my spare set of Crystals, I have every type' the enternally helpful and damnably over-prepared Eldareth, offered. Since of course I knew his generosity would probably not extend to half the mods on his ship, including all eight of his guns, I insisted that I needed an entirely new battleship ferried in for me, for so cavernous was its cargohold and so vast its array of mods for refitting, that adding a handful of crystals would merely sully the organisation at work. He eyed me dubiously as we watched the carrier jump in the replacement, which I patted like a fresh warhorse after having exchanged out the last (and unbeknown to them, a donkey). As a result, to my shame, I still have a half fitted battleship in Y9G station.

THE MAZE

By this we mean the dense web of systems between MHC and M2-.

6-C pocket: After a period of being home to BOB illumini, RKK, the area was very much in the hands of Flying Dangerous, who also kept a tight grasp on the Reblier gate. They can fly anything from battleships to shield-nano, and they usually number around a dozen to twenty. Of late, however, they appear to have moved south to the Y9G pocket, leaving 6-C relatively empty (thanks Collide).

AAS : Clockwork Pineapple base in AAS. They run gangs in US timezone and have recently been involved in POS fighting with Quantum Wipeout, who later became Naschbaerchis. It seems that Naschbaerchis got the upper hand in the structure battles but differing timezones hindered any decisive resolution in the overall conflict. Naschbaerchis have since left Syndicate for fresh pastures but Pineapple forces remain a reliable USTZ entity (thanks to Collide & Tim for the update).

2X-P : The home of Finis Terrae, a well-organised EU timezone group who roam Syndicate with small gangs (up to 20 but usually half that). By request I'm reminded to note that they honour 1v1s, so budding knights should knock on their door with squire and lance.

T-L : Here you will find SPANI who are, perhaps surprisingly in this age of smokescreening and misdirection, Spaniards. For now they keep a fairly low profile but their numbers are rising and if they get the FCs active, we may seem them emerge more often from the maze. And hopefully not in Drakes.

ARES' OLD STOMPING GROUNDS

VSIG pocket: Until fairly recently, this was home to Ares Protectiva, a French alliance who looked North for their action, and regularly hit towers belonging to Dek Coalition (the resulting cacaphony providing us some good fights). Ares have now moved South, and the new residents are Ineluctable alliance. Ineluctable, so far, seem to fly a variety of shield nano setups. But before anyone writes them off as another low-fi Drake group, I think it's worth noting that they count a number of skilled entities like VIRII in their ranks and should provide a good addition to the region. They've also had some tasty looking Tengu & Cynabal outings.

Back when Ares lived in VSIG, their allies BPLAN used to live in the neighbouring pocket of 0T-. When one group was camped in, the other would form up and block the hostile's retreat at the neck of the pocket, trapping them between the fleets. This area is now held by Avaricious Cartel and also home to Damned Nation and Vanguard. I am unsure if these groups mirror the Ares/BPLAN arrangement or whether they are hostile to each other.

THE WALL(S) - GATEKEEPERS TO NORTH AND WEST

31/A-S area: Once the home of Ev0ke, a Pure Madness flag now flutters above the battlements. They are a German group who bridge around Syndicate in EU timezone, with anything from Abaddons to shield canes. In their prime time they can number as many as forty. I suspect they have a fine capfleet as well (to which we personally added an ejected Phoenix as spoils of victory after a sov 0.0 group attacked their towers ). Although they have no blues that I know of, they sometimes seem to work with Agony (when not clashing horns with them).

Agony live in 31- and roam across the region in a variety of timezones. They are well known for their tutorial gangs, which bring them respect throughout Eve. Any new member reading this would do well to sign up for an Agony class. However, don't infer from it that they are all tweed jackets, pipes and chalk - when school's out they can bring a heavy fleet too, if they need to.

3KNK/COT: The long, lonely descent to COT gate feels like a plunge and so it should - if you don't have a spy spot, it's usually into a bubble. This gateway to Outer Ring has usually been controlled by The Ronin. Of late their numbers seem to be growing and, from what I've seen, the tier3 battlecruiser often their weapon of choice. Since this bottleneck also controls access to the VSIG pocket, they've been fighting Ineluctable's gangs. If they win a lot, it would restrict the VSIG roaming access to central Syndicate, so this has the potential to build up to a nice local conflict.

LOW SEC ENTRY SYSTEMS

Fd/PF- : The true intended target of Mr. Guinness' hive of scum and villainy address. The unwary traveller will find a swift demise amid a multitude of bubbles, skilled dictors and Falcons.

A new entity seems to have moved in, too, promisingly named Free Beer (thanks to Vasponger for the reminder). Given how many fleets from East and West criss-cross FD-, it will be interesting to see whether they can make impact and occasionally pounce on those, or whether they stick to the travelling folk to and from Orvolle as targets. It will certainly be a busy place to call as home, given the traffic moving through.

MHC : A variety of entities camp here (in small numbers) on the Harroule gate, though the wary traveller would have a better chance here than via Orvolle. Harroule gate does, though, usually boast a good number of anchored bubbles.

6-C : Until recently, the Reblier gate was well manned by Flying Dangerous. However, with their move South, there has probably never been a better time for holidaymakers to venture in from Reblier.

D85 : Rarely even bubbled and probably the easiest entry system.


THE WILDS

Like little local legends, tales of told of smaller groups who lurk under the radar. As soon as DaDutchDude, providing input for the post, described Tlak Chilk in much the manner as one speaks of Robin Hood, I realised we need a section for them. So without further ado, and to quote Dutch:

RF-GFF: "I believe this is the home of Tlak Chilk and his band of Center for Advanced Studies NPC corp buddies. Don't underestimate them, they wield their mostly Gallente drone boats very well, and even when things go south, they almost always manage to win the Isk war."

LSC4-P: "Here lives Freelancers Union, or at least they used to when Agony moved in. Their activety was kinda ebbing and flowing. They used to work with Avaricious Cartel that used to live in the dead-end pocket behind it. They fly a mix of stuff, from Thrashers to Machs, but mostly either realy small gang, or in a throw back to 2009 a RR Domi heavy gang. I've also seen them throw around a 8 man BlackOps battleship gang on occasion. "

In addition to these contributions, I feel we should also add:

F67: This is home to some genuine old school camping from Bipolar Stability. In this age of titan bridging, jump portalling and Black Ops dropping, the F67 affair is decidedly traditional: scouts in system either side and a gang warping in from safe spots. It's low-fi but they make it work for them. Some will write off the devotion to one system as madness and others will champion it as resilience. Either way, I can speak from experience that when they assign fighters to the camp from a POS shield edge, their pilots are on the ball and ever eyeing the horizon for a cyno.

Outside entities:

Dek Coalition/CFC: The A-S area has traditionally been used as a base to hit into Cloud Ring (e.g. as Ev0ke did) and this tradition generally continues, with Pure Madness picking fights on towers north of 1-3. In some ways they've inherited this role from Ares Protectiva. In turn, those 0.0 entities strike back into Syndicate, on occasions.
Rooks and Kings: We try and jump on big action, especially capital action, when we see it around Syndicate. We also sometimes weigh in when sov 0.0 entities hit Syndicate residents and their assets.
Outer Ring: There is surprisingly little interaction here, from what I've seen. Outer Ring is generally quiet and most Syndicate groups roam toward Cloud Ring instead (to my knowledge, anyway). The Korean group, Privateers of Virtue, still make their base in 4C- but prefer to remain in their home area (and fair enough, every fantasy novel has some group or other walled up in a strong castle and content with it).
Roaming gangs from LS: Tuskers, Muppet Ninjas and Shadow Cartel have all been known to roam Synd in EU TZ, usually entering from MHC and striking South for S-U and PC9, or West for FD-.


Shamelessly stealing TimNeilson's stealing LM's post from the other thread because doing otherwise would be a ton of effort. I will update it shortly...


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[glepp]

Thanks for getting this set up again. Let's hope for a better future for this young treadling. Its forebear had such a good run, but contracted a severe bout of consumption and died tragically at a too young age.

Agony now lives in PVH8, and there's several new residents in lower Syndicate, btw. Snails and Frogs in 2X-, Anger Management+Hedonistic Imperative in A-Z and many more.

[AndersonW]

Yeah man at settlement for my new home! So when I get home Ill edit the OP

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[Sponk]

What's up with EF- pocket now that FA didn't want that space anyway?

[AndersonW]

What's up with EF- pocket now that FA didn't want that space anyway?

A corp called Alexander lives there now. They do missions and limited ovp

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[Wivabel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAdIm4X1BdE&feature=g-upl

Fraps from the fight for the Anger MAnagement. tower in Y9G.

I apologize for any vulgarity in advance.

For those who can not see the video you can use this site to make it work.
http://www.hidemyass.com/

Just copy and paste the link for the video below into the site that I linked above.

youtu.be/PAdIm4X1BdE

[W0lf Crendraven]

Thanks for the write up of who lives where in syndi, i shall visit and kill them all! (well try to)

[Brent]

Long time no post syndicate thread.

So I took a fleet from TXW all the way to pureblind through placid/VV into Pure Blind. Very little going anywhere, but I had a 20 man gang and a comp that i wanted to throw at something like 30-40 guys so I started chasing the blob. Everything was quiet. It was like chasing ghosts. After about an hour or so of flying around killing random frigs we decided to head back.

We came in through Cloud ring on the way back. Still nothing around. We passed through X-M and were in 8V when I got intel on a Flatline tier 3 bc gang with two logi and a few recons and other mixed support. Their numbers were put at near 20, which meant that it should be a fairly good fight for us. Somewhere along the lines we lost an interceptor who was getting eyes on them and I tried baiting them out in my drake in BMNV. They jumped from 31- to BMNV just as I warped to the X-M gate. I jumped when they started landing figuring they would send their fleet in to my fleet sitting at 40 on the other side. Instead of that happening, they decided to scout it(gf). They jumped their tackle back in to BMNV and I decided to have gang burn back to gate.

We j umped in to them sitting about 70-100 off of the gate, but looking like they wanted a fight. I called a burn off to a celestial to the side of them that would give us good transversal against them and started calling recons and support primary. We lost a rapier and an oracle to alpha right off of the bat, but then things started going our way. They started dropping way faster than we were and the fight was p much over. My scout somehow ends up 150 off of the fight and tackles their (lol) link loki http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=71031 We kill it and that is p much that.

Lot's of GFs in local. Thanks for fighting us Flatline. That was probably the first fleet i've taken out since we started practicing for the alliance tournament. http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=71031

[Gordon Gekko]

Long time no post syndicate thread.

So I took a fleet from TXW all the way to pureblind through placid/VV into Pure Blind. Very little going anywhere, but I had a 20 man gang and a comp that i wanted to throw at something like 30-40 guys so I started chasing the blob. Everything was quiet. It was like chasing ghosts. After about an hour or so of flying around killing random frigs we decided to head back.

We came in through Cloud ring on the way back. Still nothing around. We passed through X-M and were in 8V when I got intel on a Flatline tier 3 bc gang with two logi and a few recons and other mixed support. Their numbers were put at near 20, which meant that it should be a fairly good fight for us. Somewhere along the lines we lost an interceptor who was getting eyes on them and I tried baiting them out in my drake in BMNV. They jumped from 31- to BMNV just as I warped to the X-M gate. I jumped when they started landing figuring they would send their fleet in to my fleet sitting at 40 on the other side. Instead of that happening, they decided to scout it(gf). They jumped their tackle back in to BMNV and I decided to have gang burn back to gate.

We j umped in to them sitting about 70-100 off of the gate, but looking like they wanted a fight. I called a burn off to a celestial to the side of them that would give us good transversal against them and started calling recons and support primary. We lost a rapier and an oracle to alpha right off of the bat, but then things started going our way. They started dropping way faster than we were and the fight was p much over. My scout somehow ends up 150 off of the fight and tackles their (lol) link loki http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=71031 We kill it and that is p much that.

Lot's of GFs in local. Thanks for fighting us Flatline. That was probably the first fleet i've taken out since we started practicing for the alliance tournament. http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=71031

Was a great fight. Flatline has left-sydicate-for-now(tm) in order to dive in FacWar. We have some pretty deep roots there, and wanted to give it a whirl post-CCP changes a couple of months ago. And not being that far away means we can take a quick stroll over to the north side of Syndi.

MOW had a small gang of AF's out, and we were close, so we rallied up in Orvolle to swing in. Derped about with a couple of (GOON? WTF?) in FD in which our two lach's decided to go afk with mentioning it on comms. Almost popped a goon rapier, but sniper fleet with no tackle is sad panda indeed.

Chased an Agony nano-BC gang around the Poitot area when they made full burn toward cloud ring. We pursued, ended up in BMNV, and bumped into the Rote raptor. Agony called it there, so we headed back to drop MOW off when we cross-jumped Brent in a Drake. We gave a merry chase (we was warping the same direction we were headed), when our scouts called for a full stop in the next system. 20 Rote...we had about the same. We called align back to see which way everyone was going, they came to us and the party went down. (our usual loki booster wasn't around, so we had someone offer to bastard-fit his loki for links. Hence the lolfit, cause we were impatient a-holes and were already running 30 minutes late from roam kickoff). Sniper VS sniper battles always seem to hinge on those first few moments...and what I think actually turned the fight was the Keres rote had. It damped out one of our scimi's completely...and the battle of the alpha went to RK. GFGFGF, and you'll still see us around. :)

...and as an aside, we were proud to see how well all of our frenemies did in the ATX. Syndicate was well-represented, and rightfully so. Great job.

[LuigiThirty]

Now that Delve is over goons are back in Syndicate, beware, etc. We sieged and killed a Wok the Dog moongoo tower near FD- yesterday which they didn't defend other than with smacktalk in local and a Viator to scoop the contents of the silo. Oh well. Looking forward to many fun times in Syndicate.

[Leboe]

Now that Delve is over goons are back in Syndicate, beware, etc. We sieged and killed a Wok the Dog moongoo tower near FD- yesterday which they didn't defend other than with smacktalk in local and a Viator to scoop the contents of the silo. Oh well. Looking forward to many fun times in Syndicate.

It worked so well for FA :psyduck:

[Lord Maldoror]

Now that Delve is over goons are back in Syndicate, beware, etc. We sieged and killed a Wok the Dog moongoo tower near FD- yesterday which they didn't defend other than with smacktalk in local and a Viator to scoop the contents of the silo. Oh well. Looking forward to many fun times in Syndicate.

We've had a couple run ins with CFC during the past week. One was a train headed North, which was scouted in Fountain and estimated at around 70-75ish (alpha fleet comp plus some tengus). During their warp to their B-D jump bridge tower, we portalled in and they found themselves bubbled off the bridge in the company of thirty or so Navpocs, combined with a lot of Vindis and Lokis for tackle:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14090174

They made the right call to get clear, with some making it to the safety of the death star's shields and others getting to the station in system. In all, we got about a third of them, including some of the expensive stuff. For that matter, the return to the North for CFC seems to have generated quite a few nice encounters, the pick of which on the smaller scale seeming to be this one of UMAD vs. FCON: http://pure-madness.eu/0os827nq/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13548

There was also a roaming gang from - I believe - a Russian Goon corp which we jumped on (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14083770) and we got some of them too.

However, I think the presence in FD- referred to above is a more longstanding affair, as opposed to roaming or running trains through.

[glepp]

Hotdropping Goons
A thing of beauty.

/tips hat

[Opie Nus]

Now that Delve is over goons are back in Syndicate, beware, etc. We sieged and killed a Wok the Dog moongoo tower near FD- yesterday which they didn't defend other than with smacktalk in local and a Viator to scoop the contents of the silo. Oh well. Looking forward to many fun times in Syndicate.

We've had a couple run ins with CFC during the past week. One was a train headed North, which was scouted in Fountain and estimated at around 70-75ish (alpha fleet comp plus some tengus). During their warp to their B-D jump bridge tower, we portalled in and they found themselves bubbled off the bridge in the company of thirty or so Navpocs, combined with a lot of Vindis and Lokis for tackle:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14090174

They made the right call to get clear, with some making it to the safety of the death star's shields and others getting to the station in system. In all, we got about a third of them, including some of the expensive stuff. For that matter, the return to the North for CFC seems to have generated quite a few nice encounters, the pick of which on the smaller scale seeming to be this one of UMAD vs. FCON: http://pure-madness.eu/0os827nq/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13548

There was also a roaming gang from - I believe - a Russian Goon corp which we jumped on (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14083770) and we got some of them too.

However, I think the presence in FD- referred to above is a more longstanding affair, as opposed to roaming or running trains through.


Looks like good times were had.

[Brent]

For your viewing pleasure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAoqE5Ca7sk&feature=player_embedded

Not nearly as much rage from me as there normally is.

[Gordon Gekko]

For your viewing pleasure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAoqE5Ca7sk&feature=player_embedded

Not nearly as much rage from me as there normally is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8yR0DfHp2Q&feature=plcp

Eye Patch GCC -> Rote Fight from one of our scimis perspective (DAMN YOU KERES) -> Facwar Fight we yarred into blind after we shitfit a bunch of ships in Orvolle to drive back home. Try not to mind the giggles. There had been much drinking by the end.

[DaDutchDude]

So uhm ... did somebody try to bait RnK with an officer fit Rattlesnake, only to have it blown up in their faces or something? Referring to:
- http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14154867
- http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14154867

I'd say: operation was a success, but the patient died.

[Sponk]

Isn't that shut up and shaves alt?

Blah blah tapatalk

[John Revenent]

It is good to see some people in Syndicate tonight. Managed to get 3 good fights.

First one was pretty even I-RED v FIGIL. We had 16 Range BC in Fleet with no logi, FIGIL had 10+ Close Range BC with Logi.
http://ishukone-raata.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24187

Second fight was after we seen a 24 man Get Off My Lawn fleet with 8 Vagabons, 4 Machs, 4 Scimi, 3 Falcons, Arazu ect. We reshipped from our Drake/Cane then went after them in AHAC's managed to get them to jump into us, webbed down the Machs while the rest of their fleet scrambled then warped once out of point range.
http://ishukone-raata.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24199

Also managed to pick off some FA camping without a scout in the next system?
http://ishukone-raata.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24203

Then had another round with FIGIL/Agony on the way home.
http://ishukone-raata.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24215

[Daddymimmyium]

What's FIGL up to these days? They've been 'visiting' us lately and unfortunately have been doing alright. I have a fair bit of respect for them as they were good
fun to fight against when I was in Syndicate and weren't ones to smack talk etc.

[Cassius Longinus]

FIGL is in Y9G. I've bumped into them twice lately, once in a welp-t1 fleet, and last night in a 7 man BC gang (we had 9 and they gave us a fight, so I was pleased). IRED gave me disappointment and another Will Clark quote for my public channel so wag of the finger to them. They need to be John Revenent strong when John Revenent is offline.

[Sponk]

Looks like -FA- is back with friends, taking (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14172804) moons (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14175629) and bridging (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14191446) in. Delve must have been a disappointment for them.

[Meridith]

Looks like -FA- is back with friends, taking (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14172804) moons (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14175629) and bridging (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14191446) in. Delve must have been a disappointment for them.

Maybe they just don't like you guys.

But I really do hope they come back.

[John Revenent]

FIGL is in Y9G. I've bumped into them twice lately, once in a welp-t1 fleet, and last night in a 7 man BC gang (we had 9 and they gave us a fight, so I was pleased). IRED gave me disappointment and another Will Clark quote for my public channel so wag of the finger to them. They need to be John Revenent strong when John Revenent is offline.

I am a very unique individual.. It is hard to emulate me.

[AndersonW]

FIGL is in Y9G. I've bumped into them twice lately, once in a welp-t1 fleet, and last night in a 7 man BC gang (we had 9 and they gave us a fight, so I was pleased). IRED gave me disappointment and another Will Clark quote for my public channel so wag of the finger to them. They need to be John Revenent strong when John Revenent is offline.

I am a very unique individual.. It is hard to emulate me.

Specially on coms... lol can always tell when johns on mumble his voice is hard to miss <3

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grarredit: getting off track here

[AndersonW]

SO THERE WE WERE...

Two battleships practicing Bushido with a cane, some tackle links and a large blop on our screen. We had ever intention of killing whatever we came accross or even better dieing with Honor. As we approached our initial intel reported the Damned Nation clan camping the gate of VSIG in RSS... we knew that they were ready for the fight and that we were at an even larger disadvantage than just the 16 v 3.. thieer fleet having ECM.. and thier fleet being Alpha.

We decided to show them what Honor is...

They decided to force our hand by chasing one of our own a warrior named Brent to a station in VSIG.. we decided to get ontop of them... as we landed in our two BS.. they warped the hell out. Perurbed by thier cowardice in the face of clearly a superior Bushido Force... they ran to the E9 gate... we pursued and they jumped into E9 and setup to make us fight on thier terms...Normally we may have manuvered or decided against it.. But Honor doesnt run.. And as the BS were practicing Bushido we were inclined to die with Impecable Honor..

We jumped in and engaged melting a talos.. then an oracle before the Jams of the cowardice made it impossible to fight. Taking the entirty of their DPS and running my tank over heated i had to get out.. I warped off to reload my boosters while Swiss primaried a proteus that was close... I aligned back and landed next to him as the entirty of thier vile and honorless hatred drove his vessel into the great beyond.. I landed and prepared for one last battle.. For the Fallen.. For HONOR!! I tanked a secons or two before I too fell victim to their volley and was sent to the great beyond...

We returned home with our Honor intact and maybe taught the Damned Nation cultists the art of warfare without fear... I suspect we will meet again. Maybe next time though they will find more courage to engage before running/setting up... But either way they can count on a fight from those praciticing RK Bushido

Prior to the fight we nuked an Arazu that was trying to get up with thier fleet..


http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=71542


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[John Revenent]

So today I-RED lead a fleet to deal with some frigates messing around the 35- area, shipped into SFI/Tackle about 5 of us to deal with the 8 AF's coming down to S-U, we manage to bait them by putting a SFI, and incursus in a sling bubble then snag them with our fleet. In the middle of combat a Russian hauler gets caught in the bubble (lol) it died soon after we dealt with the threat at hand.

http://ishukone-raata.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24428

Then we got intel of 29 BTA/Friends in M2 with some tier 3's and rabble causing issues to our supply lines. So we shipped up to Arty Cane/Drakes and my trusty tear extractor Falcon, and continued to fight this threat head on. We baited them off gate with a solo drake once the fight started we called in our 8 man fleet, then commenced the good fight.

Vanguard lost one Drake, and I-RED lost 1 Falcon. After 20 kills we managed to escape with what we had left as they just kept coming.

http://ishukone-raata.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24447

Good fight BTA.

[AndersonW]

Honor is Never Failure... it is victory even in defeat.

The report went down of a moderate 10 man BC/Cruiser gang in 3KNK in Rote Intel channels. It was un-impressive a fleet but tbh, I needed to Bushido something. It ate at me.. and seeing this fleet meant I might have a chance to smash some un-honorable cowards in. So I ask for a friend to give me links and help me scout them, I got into 3KNK and apparently the fleet I was chasing was gone.. into K5. They weren't a 10 man BC/Cruiser gang thought they were a 22 man BC/Cruiser/Frigate/Desy gang.. Alot of firepower.. I would need help to defeat them

But while observing Bushido I only gained a few more ships and we set out to fight them. I was in 3KNK when their scout came in.. and after issuing them the challenge they went for it. Into 3KNK Damned Nation brought their fleet of battle cruisers on top of me but did not fire a shot. Almost as if they were expecting to spring a trap.. one which was not coming. They about faced when my support arrived and landed in 8V on the 3KNK gate.. they wanted the ships that came to help me as well.. watching them warp I followed and ushered the cry for valor.. for war and honor...

Into the Myriad the steel of our valiant warriors poured in... fire clothed our gleam as the warriors of Bushido.. of Rote Kapelle decloaked around me with a resilience of unshakeable courage. We unleashed our anger, our ferocity and they fell by the way side... scorched their wrecks and torn asunder their hulls. We smashed them over and over and by the time the smoke cleared what was left of their fleet ran as fast as their warp could carry them. Fearless we collected our fallen and disappeared ghosts into the night.

Bushido demanded we fight without the advantage and our HONOR is without question.. Good fight Damned Nation.. glad to see you did not fight too cowardly..

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=71721


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67b7QZI9YmU&feature=plcp
Fraps

[Warmenhoven]

Move to syndicate, get titan bridged by agony...gg ='[

[DaDutchDude]

Move to syndicate, get titan bridged by agony...gg ='[
We were looking for fights, found little, decided to go for what was there, which was ganks.

As far as ganks go, this was a pretty nice one though: http://www.agony-unleashed.com/killboard/index.php/kill_detail/88792/

[Warmenhoven]

Move to syndicate, get titan bridged by agony...gg ='[
We were looking for fights, found little, decided to go for what was there, which was ganks.

As far as ganks go, this was a pretty nice one though: http://www.agony-unleashed.com/killboard/index.php/kill_detail/88792/

Eh not really moaning too much, just kinda put a downer on my first day in null.

also lol tengu bads (note the missiles in cargo)

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14258522

[Lex Arson]

Move to syndicate, get titan bridged by agony...gg ='[
We were looking for fights, found little, decided to go for what was there, which was ganks.

As far as ganks go, this was a pretty nice one though: http://www.agony-unleashed.com/killboard/index.php/kill_detail/88792/

Eh not really moaning too much, just kinda put a downer on my first day in null.

also lol tengu bads (note the missiles in cargo)

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14258522

null is overrated, highsec incursions are where it's at.

also agony drops wtfahacblob on random ganks now?

[StevieTopSiders]

AGONY flies T3 fleets. I feel inadequate.

[glepp]

We were bored, what can I say.


Syndicate has turned us into some kind of monsters, i guess.

[Tyrehl]

Honor is Never Failure... it is victory even in defeat.

The report went down of a moderate 10 man BC/Cruiser gang in 3KNK in Rote Intel channels. It was un-impressive a fleet but tbh, I needed to Bushido something. It ate at me.. and seeing this fleet meant I might have a chance to smash some un-honorable cowards in. So I ask for a friend to give me links and help me scout them, I got into 3KNK and apparently the fleet I was chasing was gone.. into K5. They weren't a 10 man BC/Cruiser gang thought they were a 22 man BC/Cruiser/Frigate/Desy gang.. Alot of firepower.. I would need help to defeat them

But while observing Bushido I only gained a few more ships and we set out to fight them. I was in 3KNK when their scout came in.. and after issuing them the challenge they went for it. Into 3KNK Damned Nation brought their fleet of battle cruisers on top of me but did not fire a shot. Almost as if they were expecting to spring a trap.. one which was not coming. They about faced when my support arrived and landed in 8V on the 3KNK gate.. they wanted the ships that came to help me as well.. watching them warp I followed and ushered the cry for valor.. for war and honor...

Into the Myriad the steel of our valiant warriors poured in... fire clothed our gleam as the warriors of Bushido.. of Rote Kapelle decloaked around me with a resilience of unshakeable courage. We unleashed our anger, our ferocity and they fell by the way side... scorched their wrecks and torn asunder their hulls. We smashed them over and over and by the time the smoke cleared what was left of their fleet ran as fast as their warp could carry them. Fearless we collected our fallen and disappeared ghosts into the night.

Bushido demanded we fight without the advantage and our HONOR is without question.. Good fight Damned Nation.. glad to see you did not fight too cowardly..

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=71721


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67b7QZI9YmU&feature=plcp
Fraps

A glorious battle indeed! Will +rep when i get back home and i will bring (to txw) a honourable spacemobile worth fielding alongside my brothers' ! :D

[Warmenhoven]

Hoooray second outing in syndicate has gone much better.

Text came through telling me the Russians were back (the ones that fit RF points on their crows!) so dropped everything i was doing and logged on. Turns out what they meant was that that there were two russian groups fighting on the station ¬_¬. Que endless sitting around trying to get people to engage. At one point we were two BCs and two AFs against their 5 guys in station and they still wouldn't engage so we finally decided that this was stupid and got into 3BCs + 2scimis with the aim of spoiling the 6-c gate camp. On the way we ran into a lone dreak which we pew pewed:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14269712 (dreak: nothing special)

After which things went a bit south. Word came through that there were three taloses on the other side of the gate. We jumped into them with our cane decoaking first and started taking heavy fire. Logi immediately started burning out but by the time locks resolved the cane was already missing most of it's shield. Modules were set to overheat but we just couldn't keep up with the damage coming in! 6 overheated scimi reps just being flat out ignored by three taloses. Deff gave me a new respect for them. In the mean time we traded a talos for the cane and both parties switched over, their ASBs managing to mitigate our DPS whilst they take down our only talos. In hind sight we were idiots and should have fitted Invulns because of scimi. After they dropped the talos they dissengaged and GFs were swapped in local.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14269713 (talos kill)

(need to shout at peeps to make sure they upload their losses, will poast here when they do)
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14278055 (talos loss)

Tail between legs we ran back home to have a little cry, the FC at this time sounding really disheartened as we're not used to loosing this much but we all assured him it's just cos we're new to Nullsec and we don't mind loosing ships while we get used to flying here. So in that spirit, and with another pilot logging on, it was decided to hop into T1 frigates and welp ourselves into the nearest thing with guns.

This is where the night really started =]

final fleet comp was:

Firetail
Hookbill
Rifter x2
Merlin
ATRON OF DEATH AND DESTRUCTION FLOWN BY MOST GLORIOUS WARRIOR PILOT IN NEW EDEN

On the roam down to M2 much shouting was done as absolutely no one was listening to anything anyone said with me racing ahead like the heroic fleet ceptor i felt like, luckily we formed up in JH and got everyone together as a Vengence jumped into us. The excitement on comms was palatable as here was something we could actually kill and get out the other side! Totally unexpected. Anyway some careful management of aggro later we manged to get him pinned on the JH side and took him down with NO LOSSES \o/ much wooping was done when the KM was looked at as that ship practically paid for our entire fleet.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14271964 (vengeance)

Feeling totally invincible we hopped up to 6-C where slicer managed to slip out from under us and i was shouted at for not having a SEBO. As we were chatting about this a rattlesnake landed and was immediately pointed by yours truly, obvs we didnt even have the DPS to take him on but we pew pewed at him and i managed to take a valk to half armour in a glorious dogfight. After showing him who was boss like this we let him live so he could tell the rest of the universe how amazing we are (it was deff nothing to do with the smartbomb and heavy neut he had)

Moving on to go check PF we ran into a retri, or rather he ran into us as it was me and a rifter behind the main group he landed on, He yellow boxed me so i stayed on the gate and sure enough my shields were promptly removed i let everyone know he was agressed and jumped through whem EVE decided now would be a good time to crash -_________- so i totally missed out on that kill and the atron that thought he'd jump in (why he thought it was a better idea to shoot us than the retri i dont know)

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14271969 (retri)
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14271896 (atron)

My computer back up we headed off down the pipe were using all my skill and superhero reflexes i heroically pointed a velator jumping into us as well as his pod. This mighty foe disposed of we jumped into TXW to show Rote our mighty skills but as grid loaded we were greeted with the most glorious sight in all of new eden. IT WAS FULL OF FULL WRECKS! the gate practically exploded in a shower of T1 pikies as everyone raced to get to the nearest little treasure chest BUT IT WAS NOT TO BE! Spamming the open wreck button like an impatient kid ripping off the wrapping on his Christmas present i was assaulted with the unholy sight of an empty wreck....of the emergence DT we had earlier must have reset all the wreck icons to full. Thoroughly demoralized by this mortal blow dealt to us by the evil Rote-CCP alliance we turned back. And ran into Smuggo!

Hellos were exchanged and i told him to ignore the ramblings of our eastern European comrade who apparently has an inability to shut up in local. Warping in at 50 or so gave them a chance to see our whole fleet and they decided to engage in their enyo and wolf. The two fleets closed range with me swinging round the flank trying to stay a bit out of the main brawl, Wolf was immediate called primary because it was arty fit but as damage started landing it pulled range leaving Smuggo vulnerable so i called him primary (sorry smugg!) and we took it down. At some point in that fight we lost a rifter too but i'm not sure when =/ As we were working on the enyo i continually had to duck in and out of his range when he redboxed me becasue as awesome as the atron is its not exactly a tough target. Anyway as the enyo was going down i noticed the wolf straying close so dropped point and switched it to him, which allowed us to jump on it afterwards. GFs and some drunken ramblings from our comrade were exchanged. Thanks again for the fight Smuggo =]

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14272011 (enyo kill)
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14272000 (wolf kill)
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14271895 (rifter loss)

News came in of a jag in 8-J so we burned back fast as our little engines could carry us but alas by the time we got to EZA he was nowhere to be seen, however we were treated with a Dreak instead! Getting him pinned in JH our 5 frigates set to work, and damn was it slow work! A couple of us had to burn out of his lock range to make him switch targets but we kept him pinned and the rifter pilot we lost earlier came back in a jag to help out (cheating i know but it was getting boring for both us and the victim!) Managed to point his pod afterwards, but he convoed us and still exchanged a GF, a true gentleman i say!

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14272017 (dreak: note my fearsome atron nearly doing the same DPS as a rifter!)
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14271894 (150mill pod)

Looting the field afterwards a maller was seen incoming, initially we thought this was going to be a tarp but we went for it anyway (if a little cautiously) and managed to pew pew him too

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14272082

At this point it was decided that we should probably go drop off the loot in our cargoholds which by now was worth more than our fleet probably by a factor of two. The jag pilot logged off and one rifter upshipped to ta hookbill and with this we decided to head to the 1-NK where it looked like our RUS friends were having a party. As we swarmed into local we were greated with 'ah here they come, i knew there was going to be a blob' to which i responded by telling him to hit his D-scan but apparently they havn't got the brain cells necessary to do this as they tried to taunt us by saying we were too late to save the ships they had killed. As they ran from our terrifying fleet of 5 frigs in their double cane sleip eris thrasher fleet we managed to pick off a thrasher and nearly got the eris when he bubbled himself.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14272778 (thrasher)

We decided to ship up to BCs and a vigilant to try and get a proper fight out of them in KTHT but nooop they just stayed docked. Heading back to 1-NK we poked a myrm and got him to agress before jumping in our whole fleet and brawling him down. His friend in a dreak undocked to try and help but was too late and decided to shit there for 5 min whilst we bump him off station (it was literally that long!)

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14277188 (myrm)
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14277189 (myrm pod just sat there so we obliged)
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14277194 (dreak)

Decided to call it a night there and headed home very tired but very happy =]

TL;DR:
- herp derped and lost cane + talos, but killed talos and dreak
- flew around in a T1 frig fleet and lost a 6mill rifter whilst killing ~500mill
- played station games and killed two BCs using BCs and a vigilant

(sorry for the amount of text its the first time i've written something like this hopefully i'll get better)

[Lex Arson]

*snip* This thread needs more of this.

[Dradius Calvatia]

Snip



Good posting in the Syndicate thread?

That is not what it is here for mate.....


PS: All those wrecks on gates in TXW where from some good fights we had a few hours previously. Much thanks to IRED and FIGIL for coming out our way and giving us some stuff to shoot at.

[Lex Arson]

Adversity (who are we anyway) are back in Syndicate, and we're hitting the ground running (albeit sometimes like a fat kid determined to get into shape). Today we took out a small gang of 3 nano drakes and an arty cane through lower Syndicate, first stopping in Y9G where we had a small scrap with FIGL on the 97X gate. My memory is fuzzy but it started with a me aggressing a rapier while keeping range on gate; a hurricane lands, and I think a second, so I call in my teammates, 1 drake and 1 arty cane (another drake was still home fitting up). We all keep range, waiting to close in for points until they started to align out. We kill a hurricane then switch primaries to the rapier which I am able to scram/web and kill (http://adversity.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14335041). During this time a second cane and maybe a drake lands, but quickly warp off as it becomes apparent they can't keep pace with us and deaggress. We proceed into M2- where a FIGL scram-Vaga (http://adversity.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14335139) jumps into us a promptly dies. We pat each others backs for our leet pee vee pee and continue on to KTHT, home of Seventh Sanctum.

Here they undock an abaddon and drake, which don't really do anything except undock a scimitar to rep the drake so he can deagress and undock while we kill it. gfgf 7th.

The roam continues down the S-U pocket, running into ExanI-Red in 35-. Here they undock a broadsword, proteus, tornado, but fail to vamoose the station despite shouting a lot of mean and threatening things in local.


Leanardo Deville > u mad bro?
Zrell Ven > u mad bro
Zrell Ven > come at me
Crajax > i keeled his talos
Crajax > cause your butt hurt

We continue on down towards 98Q, find nothing, and head back; only to find ExanI-Red camping our outgate (again) with 4 drakes and two scimitars, as well as a previously-spotted falcon cloaked in XS-. Not expecting to kill anything but also not expecting to die, we jump in, OH out MWD's and starburst off the gate, pulling out to range and start blapping into one of the scimitars, which breaks and expectedly jumps gate, only to be replaced by a falc0wn who then jams half our fleet. With more stuff jumping/warping in we all warp off to sun and then to our outgate, only to have them now following us with greater numbers. We repeat the starburst in IIRH and once again, move on without any losses or kills; just wasted ammo (and drones :psyduck: )

Our last stop is 6-C where I intentionally warp into the Reb bubble to bait out a Talos (with our pro pvp); however, due to a blackbird warping in to assist the talos and absolute shortbus mentality of everyone in fleet all of the sudden, our two other drakes failed to get any scram/web on the talos in order to stop him from slowly blapping me (we found out he had meta guns and faction iron charges :psyduck: ) So despite a close call we trade a drake for a talos (http://adversity.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14335641), gfgfgf. We then have an unenventful but pleasant trip home. Glad to see Syndicate is still rocking lots of small-gang pvp and not 50man napfests.

[AndersonW]

GF

[Lexa Hellfury]

Adversity (who are we anyway) are back in Syndicate

Woot woot. Looking to be back in-game in the next few days, looking forward to roaming some syndi \o/

[Warmenhoven]

WHO USES A FUCKING FALCON ON A T1 FRIG FIGHT WHEN THEY OUTNUMBER ME ANYWAY??????

yea i'm mad bro
:sadface:

[Longdrinks]

Name and shame. Do it

[Daneel Trevize]

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14362465

[Meridith]

WHO USES A FUCKING FALCON ON A T1 FRIG FIGHT WHEN THEY OUTNUMBER ME ANYWAY??????

yea i'm mad bro
:sadface:

Welcome to Syndicate 'frig' gangs.

[Daddymimmyium]

Pretty excited as my corp decided to waltz around Syndicate on Sunday. Unfortunately FC didn't take us past my old stomping grounds (FD-, M2, i0ab etc.) and nothing of value was pewpewed.

http://killboard.anzacalliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=92397

This guy was smack talking our scout in local saying he had prior knowledge that we were in the next system and promply jumped into us. I have no idea why he did it but was funny to watch anyway. Apart from this it was just cruisers and frigs we caught at gates. Was nice to be in Syndi again but next time we'll have to go around the front and get some real pewpew.

[Orar Ironfist]

Are you guys mostly AUTZ or do your roam around in EU/US TZ?

[Sponk]

Are you guys mostly AUTZ or do your roam around in EU/US TZ?

Well it was sunday, so all bets are off.

[Daddymimmyium]

AU TZ

[AndersonW]

"My House To Yours"

The night minus Cass Fleet night was expected to be quiet. We didn't expect there to be anything going on, and it saddened us a bit to know that we weren't going to roam around in a fleet of epic win. I was ship spinning when i noticed Local bounce up atleast 10 ships and the call go out in Intel of a hostile BC fleet. Little to no members online meant it was Honor time.. but with no links and no aide I would probably not survive the encounter. I heard Mordax say he was fighting a stiletto on station and realized i wouldn't be alone. Mordax burned off and was pointed by a Heretic, I jumped in a thrasher to try and kill the heretic off but some how a cane caught me, and well GG. Mordax Died and then we said fuck it. I undocked my Bushido Navy Scorpion for her maiden and only voyage.. and commenced Honorable player versus player. Their DPS was just too much..

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=72751

I was barely tanking but without links I was going down, but this wouldn't deter me. My allies rallied and as I went down chased off the rest of the Battle cruisers, but not fast enough. I refused to end it there and we formed a modest fleet to give chase. They punched us in our face in our own system, a rare feat.. and now it was time to brawl them the fuck on. Chased them down the pipe to their own system... and nabbed a single Drake before we found them on their station. We warped dead on and prepared to fight when they docked up. We questioned a round 2 in local.. and they said maybe a millisecond before they undock and game on..

A scimitar and a few drakes were out and we began a game of warping in and out nuking Falcon/Rook support and getting tackle and kills on Tornados at range.. they undocked hurriances.. Drakes.. Rail megas... Tornados I mean these guys just would NOT give up.. they would NOT GIVE IN.. and I admire their ambition. Its about freaking time a Syndicate group tried their damnedest to fight. I admire that they undocked anything they had and just wouldn't give up till they said they tried thier hardest. I dunno if they had the SP and the skill that we may have had but they kept coming. Props to them for fighting, props to them for trying anything and everything from Scimitars to an Archon with reps. Fcking GF and we will see you brosefs again!


http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=72760

[Lex Arson]

So who lives up in the northwestern pockets these days (VSIG, EF-, 0T-)

[AndersonW]

So who lives up in the northwestern pockets these days (VSIG, EF-, 0T-)

V.e.G.a these are EU tz plex runners.. Alexander who are miners and thats about it

Sent from Asecretbunkerwithinenemylines

[Lex Arson]

Had lots of great fights in M2- last night. It started with myself and bigboyal attempting to fight a BTA gang; we had a drake & talos, they had (iirc) a merlin, rifter, kitsune, ferox, harbinger, drake, and Megathron, and I think one or two other things. I the kitsune jammed out our talos so I got to work in my drake clearing light tackle and the kitsune. In the minute or so it took me to do that it must've become apparent to BTA that they wouldn't be able to effectively hold either of us down for the heavier DPS ships to come kill so they disengage and warp. We were both in a bad position for points but I did get a OH'd point on the ferox which we ofc pwnz0red.

As I was drifting around wrecks a Rote talos + rapier jump in simultaneously. the Rapier decloaked very close to our Talos which promptly killed it in 2-3 volleys (ASB, no buffer) while we burned out away from the gate now lighting up with more flashes than any red carpet event. Anderson's Talos burns hard and fast towards me; he has me pointed and even with our links he's still going a fraction of a hair faster than me. Fortunately my own talos wingman has not abandoned me and between the two of us we manage to kill my aggressor; I shoot of my final volley and get jammed by something, I didn't have time to look at what the rote fleet comp was at this point other than it was probably too much for us. Satisfied with our kills we are able to warp off, both alive and adrenaline running high.

We dock up, have an alt bring us some more drones while waiting for Rote's gang to pass us by. During this time however FIGL has become active in system, with a few hurricanes, a ranis, falcon (of course) and some assorted frig stuff. We engage them on the 97X gate but our Talos was in a bad position when they decloaked and he got scrammed very fast, and I was jammed and unable to help him. Our talos dies, I warp off sun to wait for him to grab a new ship.

It was at this point that I notice a BTA drake chilling some 170 off station at 0 velocity. With a "sure why not" attitude, I burn out after him point him and start killing him, only to realize that he was either passed out drunk or AFK. He apparently wakes up as he's hitting armor but of course it's too late for him at that point, and being a HAM drake he wouldn't have stood much of a chance once I'd pointed him anyway. At this time the BTA megathron from earlier undocks along with a FIGL cane; they both warp to the new drake wreck. I burn off, thinking tarp, but Ivy points the BTA mega and we both start shooting it as the rest of FIGL's gang lands and shoots the mega as well, making no move towards me.

I warp off to a tactical above the 97X gate and apparently land 3km away from Ivy's cloaked scout off gate, as a FIGL ranis warps up and lands directly on top of me. I "ohshit" a little but but scram/web the ranis and start making good work of him, aligning out, but I am again jammed by the falcon and although a lucky cycle allows me to kill the ranis, a second hurricane has landed by now and it's too late to pull range. I go home and reship, and another corpmate has joined us by now also in a drake.

We check out 6-C and find a gang camping the gate, with a Ishkur, Hawk, Tengu at least, some other frig stuff as well that I don't remember. However the Tengu turns out to be 100mn and we're unable to keep it tackled and we split ourselves up too much trying to do so. We trade our talos for an ishkur kill and a good fight. We decide to head on to Ostingele where our talos-now-in-a-pod can reship and roam through placid a bit.

In dastryns we find a small Suddenly Spaceships gang. I find one of their drakes on our gategate, he's flashy so I start engage him. he doesn't engage but I get him into low shields when a Gila jumps in shortly followed by a Loki. At this point one corpie is still putting his ship together in Ostingele and the other had just entered warp as I chose to warp off (oops). When he landed though there was no sight of any drake or gila, just the Loki, which GCC's on our other drake. I have him jump through and reapproach as I land at range and point the loki, at this point both my corpmates also land on field and we make very short work of the Loki which turned out to have loltank. The other drake had apparently redocked to gain his shields back and we get him low easily (still no sign of the gila) before a falc0wn uncloaks and manages to jam all three of us, so both hostile drake and falcon get away. Some station faggotry followed which didn't result in any kills so I won't bother writing about it, but the rest of the night was uneventful :) Gf's all around and.

[AndersonW]

I hate you for the fights you get... most of the time we are HUNTING for the fights. I WANNA LOOK PRETTY AND FUN TO FIGHT LIKE YOU

[Ivy Lash]

Not gunna lie Lex, I squeeled like a child when I saw how close you were to my anathema. (which by the way was killed this morning by BTA, god damn drones wouldn't let me cloak). GFGFGFGF

ps. I am stealing your draek fit

pss. regarding that FIGL bubble Rote Kapelle destroyed right before jumping into M2-, its the bubble karma man!!

[Aliventi]

I saw you smash BTA. I first thought you were nuts, then I remembered it was BTA you were fighting as they warped off. I give them props for trying. I hope sometime they will actually stick out a fight even if it means losing their fleet. I know they are trying to get better, but warping off at even the hint of losing isn't going to get them very far.

[GreenYoshi]

I was pretty annoyed at not being close enough to grab the harb along with the Ferox when BTA bailed, but I guess it turned out for the best with Rote closing in. The second fight was scary as hell, because the second Talos and mach were getting some serious damage on me. Think I warped out when one of them was just one km outside of OH point range. GFs all round.

[AndersonW]

I was pretty annoyed at not being close enough to grab the harb along with the Ferox when BTA bailed, but I guess it turned out for the best with Rote closing in. The second fight was scary as hell, because the second Talos and mach were getting some serious damage on me. Think I warped out when one of them was just one km outside of OH point range. GFs all round.

Yeah we were trying to jump into your fight. Lol We landed just as people were GTFOING :(

[Belegarath]

ps. I am stealing your draek fit


Lex stole that fit from us. :p That has been the standard Exodus. drake for a while now.
I don't mind people stealing fits.... makes us look not as silly for those that don't understand the fit.

[Lex Arson]

WHO USES A FUCKING FALCON ON A T1 FRIG FIGHT WHEN THEY OUTNUMBER ME ANYWAY??????

yea i'm mad bro
:sadface:

Welcome to Syndicate 'frig' gangs.

4v1 ain't fair without a falcon (http://adversity.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14497973) (yes I am also massively butthurt)

[Lex Arson]

~Small gang pvp update~

So badversitydot had a gudfite with EVE Uni today, whereas both sides redeemed themselves from our engagement last night (http://adversity.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14527785) (us redeeming ourselves for being bad, them redeeming themselves for blobbing).

The fight started with Adversity in 3 drakes and a talos, bouncing two poor Vanguard Myrms back and forth across the 97X/M2- gate with our gang (obviously) split across both sides. One is ASB and the other is active armor, so when one agressed on the M2-, we had to call the talos into us to bring the DPS to break his tank, leaving 2 drakes and a talos in M2-, with just a single drake in 97X holding point on the armor myrm. As the bulk of the gang is deagressing an EVE Uni gang jumps in from Y9G, warps (it's a long warp) and begins aggressing our drake + the myrm. AFAIK the E-Uni gang was a stiletto, malediction, moa, ASB raven, falcon. The myrm went down fast and with the rest of us jumping into 97X, the two gangs focused their attention off the random gank and onto each other.

Akat (our 97X drake) was able to engage pro nano skills and warp off from the aggressing gang as we jumped in. Drakes started burning to tackle the ceptors, but to their credit their ceptors managed to keep out of range of our webs. Their moa got a lucky scram/web on one drake but due to the low DPS of their gang (he was out of range of their torp raven, who never really left the gate the entire fight) it was a small matter to kill the moa before any significant damage was done. A falcon decloaked somewhere around this time and died more or less before the locking delay was over, and a ceptor largely underestimated the effective range of a talos and thought it was be wise to burn directly away from him at 30km (he died). Fire switches onto the Raven, who let us get him into half armor before he started boosting, deagressed and jumped through. Gfs were called, we all jumped into M2- to drop off loot and repair our shit.

http://adversity.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14534489 (switch the raven over)

After repairing, we went back to 97X to loot/head home when we noticed, hey, that raven is back. Due to bubbles on the gate he had a headstart on us but being a raven, our drakes and talos were a bit faster than him (http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/genius-rage-face.png). We caught up to him in Yveve on the Conomette gate, and fine with the idea off taking global on him, as he had no visible support. Nothing really interesting happened during this gank until he finally did jump through. The gate guns did a nasty on our drake and talos on the other side and right before the raven popped the stiletto from earlier landed, pointed a drake, and the gate guns finished him. gfgf.

[TimNeilson]

Watchin frigates get instagibbed for GCCing never gets old.

[Lex Arson]

Watchin frigates get instagibbed for GCCing never gets old.

Err, I guess I worded that wrong. The drake was flashy, and so instead of popping the inty the gate guns finished the drake off. So we lost a drake in exchange for the raven.

[Wivabel]

So many fights lately and I have been to lazy to do any battle reports damn.


Lex you killed Crajax you bastard.

[Artjay]

I love syndicate. As a fleet member pointed out last night – EVE is one of the few games where through chance one shit event can lead to a good one and you’re actually happy a bad thing happened in the first place.

We decided to go on a roam in MSE Assault frigs backed up by Scimitars and supported by MSE ceptors. Kinda worked nicely, but as usual I ordered people over the trenches too early and too hard and we whelped right into a suddenly spaceships gang as soon as we arrived in syndicate. One of our Scimitars was off the gate and should have been there to jump instead of dying and we couldn’t get the sabre down and...Whelp.

Anyway, if we hadn’t whelped so soon and waited around on the MHC-R3/Harroule gate for people to re-ship we would have missed the 4 man VOLTA gang (Vigilant x 2, Talos, Cynabal + links) that showed up shortly after. They moved around the gate trying to snag one of our fleet which is currently orbiting the gate at multiple load-ups. They are unsuccessful but show they are hungry for blood. What they didn't know is that we had a 2nd scimitar coming back from low sec so we fed them a harpy as bait 50k off the gate and watched as they all swarmed towards it. At this point my Scimi warps down to the gate and the other jumps in and get reps on the harpy. The rest of our frigs lock down the Talos and nail him pretty quick. The Vigilants thoroughly tackled by multiple scrams and webs took a while to drop because of Ancillary Boosters but didn’t really have a chance of escape. Our Scimitars failed to save 2 guys as the blasters + 90% web combo meant that they died before we could get locks, still I’ll trade a couple of AF losses to kill VOC faction cruisers any day!

KM is messed up because it spans the length of both fights.

http://kick.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14541665

[Ivy Lash]

Ivy Lash calls a roam, and the late knighters of FIGL answer.

Leave Y9G with 10 man gang consisting of Tornaders/Drakes/Welpcanes/Huggin/Scimitar and one of them interceptor ships.

I check out my star map and I first contemplate heading to the large red dot in the map that was somewhere in Tribute. I check my watch and decide with such a nice fleet formed so quickly, I don't want everyone going to bed before we make 30 jumps. I set destination for TXW, and hope the our nice fleet comp will bring the Bushido out of Rote Kapella.

Enroute we cross jumped a bestower, and I told my fleet to shut the fuck up because we are not chasing that shit. "but it was full of plexs" they said, and I quickly gave a TS3 bitch slap to knock some sense into some fleet members. I was after a fight, not a bestower loaded with plex.

We make it to TXW and they had some locals docked up, we move along to K5- were my inty scout reports Anderson Williams in nothingless then bushido Maelstrom. I order the inty to tackle, and a couple of my draeks to jump in and start the deeps. Soon after my inty states that he is in deep shit as I hear the audio eve alerts over the crackle of his mic in TS3. I order me entire fleet in to do battle with the Maelstrom. His tank is strong, but after ordering some well timed heat to the guns, we take down the lone bushido warrior.

http://www.figl-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=79725

We regroup, and warp to FD-, a few minutes later Anderson is back with a few people. I quickly take an inventory on the remaining ECM drones on my battlecruisers, and order fleet to jump in and dock up to buy new drones. Rote Kapelle took this move for cowardice. So I had to oblige them in honourable space battle on the K5- gate in FD.

I warp my fleet in at 30km, and it would seem that they warped into the station to tackle one of my slow ass terrible hurricanes. I order him to dock back up, while we wait for them back at the gate.

Sure enough a few seconds later, they land at some range and the fight begins, I primary the drake that landed 2k from our fleet, but somehow he manages to burn away and warp while webbed and scrammed. I have now dubbed this pilot as Draek Jesus. We start to do some deeps to the Rokh and Navy Ravy, but their tanks are too strong. Then some faggot in a falcon showed up and started jamming the logi. We lost some hurricanes and I order fleet to warp to the sun and then to a safe at me. GFGFGF's were exchanged in local, and everything seemed done and over with.

But my bloodlust was not over, and I suprised pvp my fleet by wing warping the squad back to the gate at 50km, In a furious attempt to blap the gay falcon. This was not so and in my bloodlust my Tornader was tackeld and blapped down with furious anger. My secondary FC took over and ordered a general retreat. My fleet fell back in good order and more gfgfgfs were exchanged in local.

http://www.figl-alliance.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=79729

Looks like I whored on one of my own guys. Oops.

Anyways that shit was fun. GFGFGFGFGF

[AndersonW]

It was good to have someone grow a pair and fight... even better to see such an effective gang. Props to Figil, and though they lost the second fight it was a pleasure to die to thier initial fleet.. SORRY ABOUT THE GAY FALCON.. his gayness knows no bounds.

[Lex Arson]

So Exan has a 12-man gang in M2- consisting mostly of a few taloses, stabber fleet, thrasher, and rapier. We were going to engage it with like 3 RR Domi's, but they had three four confirmed falcons in system.

gg. maybe next time.

[Wivabel]

Confirming that Exan has plenty of killmail whoring Falcon pilots.

Just the other day I was solo-ganking a FIGL caracal in M2 and wondering why he was neither running nor fighting back. Then I checked the killmail and found the answer damn whoring falcon pilot......

[Ivy Lash]

FIGL wake and bake space pewpew pvp time.

We intially formed up to fight a nasty WH corp gang, that stumbled into humble Reblier from the regions beyond. But then...

Anger Mangament showed up at the reb gate, for pvp time. We did not engage initially due to the lack of eyes in the surrouding systems. Their fleet comp was 5 or so battlecruisers, tornader, rifter, and 2 ecm ships. They had a binger and 2 drakes as the "bait" fleet with the rest waiting in EZA.

We lost a noobie dude in an Omen, because he aggressed when he should not have. So the fleet was ordered to jump into Reblier and reapproach. I got my ghey falcon into position on the gate and the call was made to engage.

The "bait" fleet went down rapidly with their reinforcments being some odd 50AU away. One of the drakes from bait fleet pulled range, so we took out the Rook, who was tackled and started shootsing the 14 inch penis (who had a pretty good XLASB tank). A falcon landed with in point range and it's hull was shattered. Fleet got points on whatever we could and the rest is killboard history.

http://www.figl-alliance.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=79998

GFGFGFGF

lol @ how it switches "fer0x" to 14 inch penis

[mistersparky]

Thursday marks the 5 year anniversary of Estrale Frontiers. One of the many things we do in game is capital production. Earlier this year, our 1000th Orca rolled off the production lines, and at the time we decided to celebrate the event by taking it to lowsec to get it blown up. For some reason, we never got around to this. We decided that our five year anniversary would be as good a time as any to rectify this.

So this evening, we set ourselves a challenge - Operation Moby Dick. Take the Orca from Orvolle (fully laden with dancers, holoreels, spirits ect) to Y9G and back again. We would put together a shield BC fleet with our alliance and blues to help it on its way(/watch it die). If didn't make it then it would make for an enjoyable op and an amusing killmail. If it did, we would lottery it off to someone in fleet.

We had a pretty good turnout, with 50 guys in fleet (25 BCs, around 10 logi, 6 recons and a handful of support). For the next 3 hours we managed to move to Orca all the way there and back, with a few dents in its shields and some pretty amusing fights, killmails and comms along the way (see wall of green on alliance killboards here - http://wildfirealliance.com/killboard/).

The level of disappointment at the end of the roam was paletteable, and with a quick vote it was decided that it wasn't proper for Moby Dick to survive, and that it should run it through Syndicate on future ops until it met a suitable fate.

I'd like to take the opportunity to thank everyone who participated in the op, it was a lot of fun. I would like to also thank everyone who is and has ever been part of EFRON, along with our alliance mates and blues. It's been quite an interesting and varied 5 years, and I am certainly looking forward to finding out what the next five has in store for us.

Cheers - mistersparky

[RainbowsEverywhere]

We did something similar once, but we would bridge Apple Boy into fights in his armor Noctis to salvage/loot the field while the battle raged around him...it was pretty trolltastic tbh

[Suleiman Shouaa]

We were willing to go for you until you undocked from the system next to VV- and revealed that you had 9 Logistics (more Logi than we had DPS ships) :(.

Syndicate was very quiet last night for us also.

[Daniel L'Siata]

We did something similar once, but we would bridge Apple Boy into fights in his armor Noctis to salvage/loot the field while the battle raged around him...it was pretty trolltastic tbh

The best part was that he got on a few killmails.

Now, what happened in KTH?

Looks like a delightful unaligned rofldrop.

[Lex Arson]

We did something similar once, but we would bridge Apple Boy into fights in his armor Noctis to salvage/loot the field while the battle raged around him...it was pretty trolltastic tbh

The best part was that he got on a few killmails.

Now, what happened in KTH?

Looks like a delightful unaligned rofldrop.

What happened, is the Lex Arson has a really bad computer, and missed whoring on a bunch of killmails as a direct result.

[Namamai]

KTHT was a three-way fight -- VANUS, 7TH, and STUGH+LOLGF. This was the BR from the Rote perspective: http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=12931

The setting:

Rote knew that a POS in KTHT had been RFed with a few capitals, and was coming out about an hour before our prime time. (I don't recall if we found it ourselves, or heard through a little birdie, but we definitely had notice.) The tower's owner had eyes in the pipe leading between our home and KTHT, so roaming gate-to-gate wouldn't be any good. So, we put a cyno recon on the tower, formed up some slowcats... and waited. Half an hour after RF, nobody had moved on it, either to rep it or to finish it off.

Around this time, SOTF (fw) was throwing around a massive battleship gang in Nennamalia. Exodus had been keeping eyes on that gang, and we agreed to temp-blue and form Voltron to try to ninja some logis out from that blob. Rote reshipped into Tornados, and bridged into lowsec to meet up with Exodus' fleet. Literally minutes after we bridged and started roaming towards Nenn, SOTF docked up, and we got report from our lonely cyno recon that Vanus had dropped capitals on the POS. FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU--.

Our joint fleet started burning at max speed towards Rote's home system (~15 jumps); while we were traveling, we got a further report that Seventh Sanctum, the owners of the POS, had shown up with a 30-man AHAC gang and was engaging the capitals. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU---- x2!

The actual fight:

The Rote/Exodus gang returned to Rote's home; we swapped out a couple of Tornados for some Rapiers and PODLA drakes, formed up on a titan, and bridged our modified alphafleet into the middle of the Seventh/Vanus fight.

When we arrived, one Vanus dread had died, along with a couple of subcaps. However, Seventh had taken too many logi (eight Guardians) and not enough HACs; the other dreadnoughts had left siege and were tackled but holding steady under carrier reps. Seventh had deployed two Bhaalgorns and some Ashimmus to try capping them out.

Our Tornado fleet initially started picking off HICs/dics, but they all either warped off or slowboated into the POS shields. With no hostile bubblers on field, we put two supers on field for an initial poke, and they started taking out the Vanus capitals. Meanwhile, the subcapital fleet picked off the Ashimmus and a few Guardians, then killed one of the Bhaalgorns. Seventh promptly burned their entire fleet into the POS. We started rapecaging it, but we didn't bring enough bubbles; their fleet found an unbubbled spot, warped out to tactical BMs, and then docked up in station.

With no capital escalation, no hostile subcaps undocked, and nothing better to do, we finished off the POS ourselves and left. GF to all parties; a lovely smack-free fight.

Edit: And I whored on precious few killmails too, as my Rapier has no BNC guns and I was focused on webbing down Guardians :(

[pBump]

Clockwork has been back in action for two weeks now after a long sabbatical for summer things. Our numbers are down overall due in part to Guild Wars 2, but also just natural turn over. To address this we have blued up with Moon Warriors and their friends who live behind PC-9. Moon Warriors are a mix of US and Brazil players and so far seem to be a pretty good match for our retard antics.

This weekend we had our second joint Op where I was FC, and had some semblance of success. We formed up around 0230-0300 EVE and had about 18 people in fleet. My plan was to comp largely Deimos/T3s and Oni’s. What ended up happening was closer to 3 Onis, 2 Deimos, 2 Zealots, a Hurricane, 1 Web loki and some mixed tackle.

After a quick tour around AAS, ZVN, 6-C and the like we set destination for around TXW. There was some activity on the map, around DW and 3MOG, so I figured we’d give it a shot. Nothing interesting happened until we got up to FD-. We chased off some Iberians in PF/FD and managed to snag a Tornado. Those guys aggravate the shit out of me so it felt good.

http://droog.rwpcomputers.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=33705

Next stop was TXW where there was all sorts of activity. We scanned down a site that I guess Rote had stolen off some Tengu. Scored us a Maelstrom kill. That got Rote all riled up, their response fleeted ended up being something like 3 Guardians, Vindi’s, Geddons, T3’s , some fuzzy handcuffs and a 12 inch dildo, so we said no thanks and headed home. Rote chased us as far as 8-V.

http://droog.rwpcomputers.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=33706

That worked out nicely because in K-5 we ran into FIGL who was out in a shield BC gang with a couple Scims for support. Props to them they gave us a good fight. Took a Drake, Ferox, Cane, Harb, Myrm and a Scim off them before they bailed. Very hard to pull off the ‘burn to the sun’ kite thing when the other fleet has links and a web loki. But they gave a solid effort.

http://droog.rwpcomputers.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=33715

We started home after that, picked off a Manticore, and then ran into a little engagement in 6-C. Took a Drake, Falcon and SFI out before Rote arrived in their AHAC/T3 fleet. They had us pretty well out gunned and out manned, so we docked up until they left, then went back to AAS to call it a night. Was a good time overall.

http://droog.rwpcomputers.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=33721

Thanks again to FIGL for the GF. Same time next week?

[TimNeilson]

To correct pbump slightly, we have only blued moon warriors, no one else.

[Lex Arson]

Super down (http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14655569), somebody tell a story.

[LuigiThirty]

Super down (http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14655569), somebody tell a story.

In the beginning, Wok the Dog had two platinum towers in X-B. then, someone in CONDI got bored and shot it with a dread. Towers were dropped for Black Omega Security, a corp in CONDI. A couple days ago WOK.D reinforced our towers. Yesterday we brought in ships to shield up the tower, and then they reinforced it again after we fixed it.

Today, as our carriers were undocking to go fix the towers, a Cane pops a cyno on the station and 6 dreads and carriers plus a Wyvern come out from Nocturnal Romance. We lost a Nid and killed two other caps while our one dictor keeps the Wyvern tackled for 40 minutes (thanks to a million carriers on field) while waiting for a cap fleet to arrive and kill the super. Capswarm comes in, Wyvern melts, op success.

[Warmenhoven]

FUCK OFF SANSHA NO ONE LOVES YOU!

[pBump]

I know right?!

[Tarkis]

I think I heard someone say there are twelve systems in this incursion constellation. That's ridiculous, it feels like all of Syndicate is under Sansha control right now.

[Varcaus]

I think I heard someone say there are twelve systems in this incursion constellation. That's ridiculous, it feels like all of Syndicate is under Sansha control right now.

You should free it mate make some bank as well.

[Lex Arson]

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Syndicate/Z-6NQ6

It's effectively cut off a looot of syndi. and cut us off from placid :(

also those gate rats are nasty. insta scram/web/neut on a harpy is just ridiculous.

[Daneel Trevize]

Call in the carebears!

[Sponk]

Call in the carebears!

In Syndicate?

[Daneel Trevize]

Into... that's why you have to call them in.

[Warmenhoven]

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Syndicate/Z-6NQ6

It's effectively cut off a looot of syndi. and cut us off from placid :(

also those gate rats are nasty. insta scram/web/neut on a harpy is just ridiculous.

How did you even make it through the other day? We had a pilot in a raptor get tackled and boned by those rats =/

GF btw he had two charges left in his ASB when you went down IIRC, was super close to a fail cascade on our side!

[Grarr Dexx]

Posts are getting worse and worse, get it back on track.

[Zekk Pacus]

P.sure Incursions almost count as war. Did think about trying to organise some guys to take that one on since I lost a ship to it but meh, effort.

Is there a current sitrep in Syndicate w.r.t who's flying with who anywhere, or do I have to work that out myself?

[bryn987]

BTA so bad

[Warmenhoven]

Off teh top of my (very tired) head:

Ineluctable and Moon Warriors in the PC9 area
Anger Management down VVV pipe (they will camp 3 thoraxes in with 15+ BCs)
Seventh Sanctum somewhere around KTHT
Masquerade around 6C

[LuigiThirty]

I think I heard someone say there are twelve systems in this incursion constellation. That's ridiculous, it feels like all of Syndicate is under Sansha control right now.

You should free it mate make some bank as well.

Incursion's been at 0% completed since day one. Iberians kill the gate rats, nobody runs the sites. Syndicate is completely dead and there's no cynos so it's not like you can be hotdropped running sites.

[Namamai]

P.sure Incursions almost count as war. Did think about trying to organise some guys to take that one on since I lost a ship to it but meh, effort.

Is there a current sitrep in Syndicate w.r.t who's flying with who anywhere, or do I have to work that out myself?

Pretty much everyone in the S-U8A4 / 98Q-80 area is blue to each other. That is: IRED, Vanguard, Moon Warriors, Anger Management, and the other myriad micro-alliances out there. Generally, you can just assume that everyone who isn't in your fleet, is blued up. With that group, if they have a fleet out and John Revenant is FCing, you can get a ~~goodfight~~ -- otherwise, do not expect any PvP whatsoever; without him, they'll be content to sit there and rat back there all day, with a scout in VV-VCR to warn them if a gang is coming.

In FD-MLJ and PF-346, you have IBERO, Viric Outbreak, Wok the Dog, and Quantum Link. Don't look for ~~gf~~ here -- they're all blue, and they pretty much only fight when they're trying to gank soloers and bears in their gatecamps. IBERO in particular usually doesn't engage anyone without at least two Falcons, most of which are out-of-corp and just have to be bookmarked/memorized. (Hint: thermis Krom / Zsaber II / Vilcons, plus a few incorp Falcon alts as well.)

Clockwork Pineapple occasionally flies with Moon Warriors, but I don't know if that's an actual blue or if they've just got one or two buddies.

Everyone else, as far as I know, is on their own.

(Not that it matters, as pretty much nobody in Syndicate will fight you unless they are 100% sure they can kill you without risk or loss. They're always "just back from a roam" or "not enough people on" or "everyone playing GW2" or "bad hair day" or "feeling slightly constipated" or any other variant for "we're docked up, go away and let us get back to ratting.")

[Longdrinks]

Dont listen to the debbie downers, theres still plenty of fights waiting in syndicate both solo and with fleets. I usually run solo during eurotime and just cruise between 6-c and txw or go down to s-u8a visiting all the known homesystems of local alliances, never have too much trouble finding people to fight. Getting the "Good/Winnable fights" is usually all about knowing whos down for some clean fights or who you have to pull and spread around the system so you can own them before the falcons show up.

Also i wanna add that Flying dangerous lives in y9g without any blues that i know of and are usually very active running fleets or undocking to fight you

[Lex Arson]

Don't forget BTA in M2-. Camping dat 97X gate erry day.

[Bacchanalian]

undocking to fight you*

*You for all values besides members of Rote Kapelle

[Longdrinks]

undocking to fight you*

*You for all values besides members of Rote Kapelle
http://i.imgur.com/kjpFX.png
Logging in and being out in space is the key to getting fights

[Suleiman Shouaa]

Actually in EU timezone there's a ton of activity in Syndicate - plenty of ~goodfites~ to be had, just have to be willing to deal with 1 Falcon or so decloaking mid-fight. There's a little pocket in the top left where a German Industry Alliance lives who will form up ~20 man fleets to kill a Tengu that's been harassing them. They ice mine in the back of their pocket with up to 20 Mackinaws/Retrievers apparently. Also they run missions in Marauders, Tengus etc.

Once it gets to US timezone it tends to be terrible though. Last time I went there I fought a 12 man gang, with 3 of them being unknown cloakies (but 'marked' as Falcon/Scout/Boosting alts). All 3 turned out to be Falcons.

Still got a couple of kills though :D

[Ivy Lash]

undocking to fight you*

*You for all values besides members of Rote Kapelle

#RoteKapelleProblems

[Sponk]

Actually in EU timezone there's a ton of activity in Syndicate - plenty of ~goodfites~ to be had, just have to be willing to deal with 1 Falcon or so decloaking mid-fight. There's a little pocket in the top left where a German Industry Alliance lives who will form up ~20 man fleets to kill a Tengu that's been harassing them. They ice mine in the back of their pocket with up to 20 Mackinaws/Retrievers apparently. Also they run missions in Marauders, Tengus etc.

Well, we know who to ask to get rid of incursions, then.

[TaoAybara]

Its says "withdrawing" now so we should be good to go soon... But next time "I swear we won't shoot you if you make it go away"

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I don't like double posts so I'll edit in some better info. Pretty much stole Ripard Teg's map from http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/01/quote-of-week-ownership.html.

Current map of Syndicate as I see it. Only alliance without full name is Black Thorne Alliance who camp M2- and live in Solitude Highsec.

If you see stuff that is innacurate let me know and ill work on it, if you feel left out (PF-/FD- ppl) you can let me know and i'll promptly ignore you...

http://i.imgur.com/NiS3U.jpg

[Namamai]

Good map. A few additions/changes:

Rooks and Kings have moved out entirely -- they live in Providence now.

Usurpers are KFR/D85/U0V6. They gatecamp in sniper T3s, occasionally roam in nano gangs. Smacktards, but semi-competent; however, they spend 90% of their time ratting or ice mining in U0V6.

State of the Union lives in KLYN/5-VKCN. Russian carebears who always have a scout alt in Y-W. Have yet to get a proper fight out of these guys; warp to station or safe on local change. (Several suspected bots.)

LSC4-P is the remnants of Unaffiliated / Freelancer Union. I don't think anyone's seriously lived up there in a while.

[John Revenent]

Pretty much everyone in the S-U8A4 / 98Q-80 area is blue to each other. That is: IRED, Vanguard, Moon Warriors, Anger Management, and the other myriad micro-alliances out there. Generally, you can just assume that everyone who isn't in your fleet, is blued up. With that group, if they have a fleet out and John Revenant is FCing, you can get a ~~goodfight~~ -- otherwise, do not expect any PvP whatsoever; without him, they'll be content to sit there and rat back there all day, with a scout in VV-VCR to warn them if a gang is coming.

It is I-RED/Vanguard./Anger Management for our blues. The rest is pretty true sadly vOv.

[Warmenhoven]

If you see stuff that is innacurate let me know and ill work on it, if you feel left out (PF-/FD- ppl) you can let me know and i'll promptly ignore you...

Ineluctable are T22 pushing out to PC9.

[AndersonW]

Ronin is a non-entity in Syndicate anymore. IRED have deployed to EF- to lay the smack down towards Alexander...

Clockwork and Moon warriors are blue...

[Lex Arson]

Don't forget No Remorse (we're relevant too!) previously living in lowsec Solitude, now moved to Harroule (because ganking BTA nocti can only be fun for so long)

[pBump]

An open letter to Rote and Syndicate:

Just to clear the air a bit…For the past two Friday nights, Clockwork has run a fleet that forms up @0230 and gets rolling around 0300. This overlaps almost exactly with Cass-Fleet. We’ve had pretty good luck both nights, and at the end of both Ops, Rote has shown up looking for goodfites. On both occasions, Rote had slightly more people than us, and their fleet compositions wildly outclassed us.

Had we committed to either engagement, it’s my belief that we would have been soundly beaten, additionally; we would not have killed a single ship.

Our GF from the 21st - http://droog.rwpcomputers.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=33820

Our GF from the 14th - http://droog.rwpcomputers.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=33713

On the 21st I told Cass that there was no way I’d engage Rote without a clear advantage. Let me be specific as to what that would look like. Or maybe what it doesn’t look like.

When I see Rote start to fill up local, and I’m smashing d-scan, I should never see something like this: Basilisk, Basilisk, Basilisk, Sleip, Sleip, Sleip, Sleip, Sleip, and so on and on. If you’re serious about wanting fights, take out a fleet people will fight. Similarly the week before on the 14th, d-scan showed 3 Guardians, 5 Loki’s and a mix of AHACs.

To use a car analogy, don’t drive your 458 around the neighborhood wondering why none of the kids with souped-up Civics want to race.

And no, 18 Tornado's with links doesn’t count. If you’re serious about finding fights, and sick to death of risk-averse FC’s, trying running something that won’t automatically curb stomp the shit out of everyone else who lives in Syndicate.

Rotes Fleet from the 14th - http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=73500

Rotes Fleet from the 21st - http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=73649

[TaoAybara]

Updated map with suggestions from the syndicate bros:

http://i.imgur.com/NiS3U.jpg

Nam,
thanks for intel about that KLY/D85 area (and if anyone wants 200ish rifter in KLY let me know)
Nice to know that there isn't 100% certainty of Rooks and Kings dropping on any sizeable fleet in the area, only two caps I've lost were to them.

John
Pretty sure the only entities "blue" in the area are the Clockwork Pineapple and Moon Warriors, ClockWarriors (TM)? and IRED/Vanguard/AngerManagement

Warmen?
Can't say I've seen yall around to much, most people in syndicate "live" in a system and push out to where other people "live" for fights. I'll shade it to you but ill leave Moon Warriors incharge of everything around you because the only people I've seen in JH-/PC9 are quick response fleets from Moon.

Anderson
Yeah, I know Ronin is an outer ring entity, but thats why dotlan was nice enough to show 9 OR systems in a Syndicate map.

Lex
My original plan was to just shade everything and put your name on it with you and your link alt =)

and finally pBump.
The "eliteist" shiptype is something you'll find more than just rote doing. For figl, we rarely use links at all while your 21st GF shows stuff like a Damnation with a couple Tech 3's and the 14th fight Armor Hacs with guardians. It's hard to downsize when you have enough people to put a "good" fleet together. And with it youll make all the stops around syndicate and if you dont find anything take it somewhere else, FA space is usually fun.
IF IRed/Vanguard/Anger are fleeted up for an organized op you'll see them rocking CR armor HACS/Guardians.

As a FIGL grunt, I'll never complain about another entity bringing what they can, and if they are able to get the fights with those ships they'll continue to bring em. On figl's side, we got a pretty good idea of what Syndicate has to offer, and if we're to strong for the locals on that particular night, we'll take our fleets somewhere else.

Examples:
http://www.figl-alliance.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=77172
http://www.figl-alliance.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=76181
http://www.figl-alliance.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=50031

[Ivy Lash]

Confirming I let Rote form up to fight my fleet last night. We were crushed. That is all. Maybe sometime next week?

[AndersonW]

An open letter to Rote and Syndicate:

Just to clear the air a bit…For the past two Friday nights, Clockwork has run a fleet that forms up @0230 and gets rolling around 0300. This overlaps almost exactly with Cass-Fleet. We’ve had pretty good luck both nights, and at the end of both Ops, Rote has shown up looking for goodfites. On both occasions, Rote had slightly more people than us, and their fleet compositions wildly outclassed us.

Had we committed to either engagement, it’s my belief that we would have been soundly beaten, additionally; we would not have killed a single ship.

Our GF from the 21st - http://droog.rwpcomputers.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=33820

Our GF from the 14th - http://droog.rwpcomputers.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=33713

On the 21st I told Cass that there was no way I’d engage Rote without a clear advantage. Let me be specific as to what that would look like. Or maybe what it doesn’t look like.

When I see Rote start to fill up local, and I’m smashing d-scan, I should never see something like this: Basilisk, Basilisk, Basilisk, Sleip, Sleip, Sleip, Sleip, Sleip, and so on and on. If you’re serious about wanting fights, take out a fleet people will fight. Similarly the week before on the 14th, d-scan showed 3 Guardians, 5 Loki’s and a mix of AHACs.

To use a car analogy, don’t drive your 458 around the neighborhood wondering why none of the kids with souped-up Civics want to race.

And no, 18 Tornado's with links doesn’t count. If you’re serious about finding fights, and sick to death of risk-averse FC’s, trying running something that won’t automatically curb stomp the shit out of everyone else who lives in Syndicate.

Rotes Fleet from the 14th - http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=73500

Rotes Fleet from the 21st - http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=73649

I wont get into a FHC fight over this. And I respect your point of view.. but let me point out just a few things.

1. "On the 21st I told Cass that there was no way I’d engage Rote without a clear advantage. Let me be specific as to what that would look like. Or maybe what it doesn’t look like. "

This is a fair and honest acknowledgement. I appreciate it honestly because it feels like a compliment. We fly with some logistics occasionally because it seems like the only time we can ever get fights anymore is the 60+capitals+ god knows what vs our 15.... Or when those of us who practice Bushido solo and get raped by 15 man gangs who have logi+ecm. This comment in itself invalidates your argument.. but I appreciate your point of view. You wont fight without a clear advantage.. and I respect that. But few to ANYONE will fight without an advantage.. and yet we find ourselves having to fight at a supremely deep disadvantage.

2. Pbump I love you, but you also have to understand the frustration here. On my hands I can count the systems that I will go to.. just myself being the TERRIBLE pvper that I am and find everyone docks the hell up and refuses to undock. Just alone.. JUST SOLO... and people know I solo. Imagine how many of our guys solo? Imagine what it feels like to go into a system where they will undock but ONLY because its just an ASB cane and welp.. that we can take with our 15 dudes + logi + ecm. So that puts us in a conundrum Doesnt it? Bring little to nothing.. get blobbed? Bring a compitent fleet of equal numbers adequately comped with logi once in awhile.. and get shit over it? We can not win.


Now I do wanna point out that last night in an epic fight FIGIL who seems more often than not will fight me regardless as long as it isn't retardedly negatively matched. Last night with a single scimi we fought equal numbers Figil gang, we had more DPS ships they had more logi.. AND GFs were all around!

That is a fight where two people find common issues and find a way to fight each other. You have to respect that... I appreciate your point of view Pbump.. but i dunno what to do to satisfy your argument. Maybe we can pre-arrange our fights?

[Suleiman Shouaa]

Had a really good series of fights against the CAS guys tonight. Will write BR (or get someone else to write it hopefully), but killboard link for Round #3 - http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14711304

[Duckslayer]

I too went to syndi tonight, solo in a talos. Closest i came to some pvp loving was being smacked for not engaging an archon on 6-c undock. TBH though i didnt put much effort into my roam but I will fight without an advantage though, cos how else do you get fights in this game?

[Lex Arson]

I too went to syndi tonight, solo in a talos. Closest i came to some pvp loving was being smacked for not engaging an archon on 6-c undock. TBH though i didnt put much effort into my roam but I will fight without an advantage though, cos how else do you get fights in this game?

That guy literally sits there and just likes to look at how shiny his archon is. He also assigns fighters to the ID-U gatecamps sometimes.

[Boiglio]

Had a really good series of fights against the CAS guys tonight. Will write BR (or get someone else to write it hopefully), but killboard link for Round #3 - http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14711304

Confirming both that it was a neat series of fights, and that if someone less brain-dead than I manages to write something up from either side, I will try to comment. What you ran into was a CAS Combat Day fleet, where those of us that live in Syndicate full-time invite anyone in CAS (along with a few friends/alums) down to nullsec for a day of PvP fun, learning, practice, and seeing a side of Eve most people don't witness from starter corps. We've been running them at least semi-regularly for well over four years now. We appreciate the good fights, and were especially glad for the teachable moments that came out of the engagements. :) I'd say more, and hope that it would be a tad more coherent--but I was roaming either as fleet boss or FC for a relatively inexperienced group from 1800 to about 0400, and I'm brain-dead.

P.S. Where WERE all of you? Syndicate was ridiculously dead today, and we had to work, roam, claw, and scratch our way into every engagement of the day.

P.P.S. To whomever was making the Syndicate map. "Under the radar of groups playing on a different scale than you do" isn't the same as "Vacant" ;)

[TimNeilson]

Yeah, last night was really quiet for some reason. v0v

[Suleiman Shouaa]

We don't live in Syndicate, just roam through it. IIRC the gang that you fought went to EC- then headed back to Hevrice (our HQ) via Placid, taking a detour into Syndicate, which is about a 60j roam.

Oh and were you the Claymore pilot?

[Lex Arson]

With the incursion in ZVN/6E/MHC gone, there is now one in M2- all the way up to 6-C.

The gods are cruel.

[Daneel Trevize]

Seriously go run Vanguards.

[TimNeilson]

With the incursion in ZVN/6E/MHC gone, there is now one in M2- all the way up to 6-C.

The gods are cruel.

:cripes:

I suppose I should be glad it's not in aas, but even so, fucking hell.

[Aloe]

With the incursion in ZVN/6E/MHC gone, there is now one in M2- all the way up to 6-C.

The gods are cruel.

FUCK.

I genuinely won't fuck with anyone that makes an honest effort of grinding that garbage out of here quickly. If it means freeing up Syndicate from a second consecutive week of that bullshit, go do your thing, get paid, fuck cyborg sansha bitches, whatever. Shitsux. USTZ is dead anyhow, knock yourselves out.

That's just me, though. There's probably other Syndicate people/entities who'd turn a blind eye to your pve holiday simply because.

[John Revenent]

I would like to get more solid information on groups living in the empty area's if there are any, I plan on keeping a updated map with conflicts between groups. I would also like to add a area on who is blue with who so new roaming groups know what to expect.

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t126/hinkelmann/Syndicate-1.gif

[Aloe]

map

This is good.

Wok the Dog and Iberians (who don't like eachother at all) are the dominant presences in FD- and PF- respectively, afaik.

Clockwork and Moon Warriors have buddied up (we're still almost exclusively late USTZ, mind you). Both of us had low participation and people unsubbing for lack of activity which lead to lower participation etc. etc. over the summer, so it's kinda neat to roam with more than 4-5 core dudes for the first time since, like, May. :toot:


Seriously go run Vanguards.

Don't you have to round up 100+ of your closest friends to knock out the supercarrier at the end to even get your LP rewards? That's not gonna happen in Syndicate.

[Daneel Trevize]

That's just for the LP. Even in highsec it's ~4 minute ticks for ~10mil isk VGs. It'd be slower in null but payout is better. And that's instant, no need to drop the mom. Sleipnirs should rip them up. If you can get a 20 or 40man BS (tier3?) gang you can do assaults or HQs, only needs ~6 logi if you know what you're doing & have links. Same fleet for moms iirc, 60-70 is max.

[TimNeilson]

With the incursion in ZVN/6E/MHC gone, there is now one in M2- all the way up to 6-C.

The gods are cruel.

FUCK.

I genuinely won't fuck with anyone that makes an honest effort of grinding that garbage out of here quickly. If it means freeing up Syndicate from a second consecutive week of that bullshit, go do your thing, get paid, fuck cyborg sansha bitches, whatever. Shitsux. USTZ is dead anyhow, knock yourselves out.

That's just me, though. There's probably other Syndicate people/entities who'd turn a blind eye to your pve holiday simply because.

Hell, I'll run some fucking incursion fleets open to anyone from a syndicate alliance if it'll get rid of the thing faster

[Lex Arson]

I used to be able to FC vanguards, I just haven't done so since they changed spawn orders and everything around vOv who knows. Plus the system control penalties (which are usually non-present in highsec) are a real bitch to deal with.

[Ivy Lash]

With the incursion in ZVN/6E/MHC gone, there is now one in M2- all the way up to 6-C.

The gods are cruel.

FUCK.

I genuinely won't fuck with anyone that makes an honest effort of grinding that garbage out of here quickly. If it means freeing up Syndicate from a second consecutive week of that bullshit, go do your thing, get paid, fuck cyborg sansha bitches, whatever. Shitsux. USTZ is dead anyhow, knock yourselves out.

That's just me, though. There's probably other Syndicate people/entities who'd turn a blind eye to your pve holiday simply because.

Hell, I'll run some fucking incursion fleets open to anyone from a syndicate alliance if it'll get rid of the thing faster

Make sure you write up a detailed BR afterwards.

[Duckslayer]

Tried roaming syndi again today a few times, this time in a frig rather than a BC. Zero carriers undocked on me :)

Got goodfites in the S-U pocket too (Motherofgod.jpg) from some local cool dude. Also anger management didnt have a stuuuupid camp, and lost some ships like heroes. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14722387 + earlier a horrifically fit malediction.

BSB channel brought Longdrinks to party, and after a fuck up from me, he got me scrammed and webbed, but somehow lost the dps race, me finishing in 23% structure. Good Fites http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14722399

Ended with me taking the neuting t1 blaster eagle bait, cos seriously, when does one ever see an eagle out and about?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14722635

Today, eve was fun. Well done syndicate

[Aliventi]

I used to be able to FC vanguards, I just haven't done so since they changed spawn orders and everything around vOv who knows. Plus the system control penalties (which are usually non-present in highsec) are a real bitch to deal with.

Who cares if you get the reward. Just make the incursion go away.

[Sponk]

Wait, where are Pure Madness these days?

[John Revenent]

Provi area with Rooks & Kings last I heard.

[Sponk]

Provi area with Rooks & Kings last I heard.

fair enough.


edit: killboard confirms lots of killing in provi.

[AndersonW]

Provi area with Rooks & Kings last I heard.

Ah lackies and their masters.. I wonder what it's like to be completely risk-averse... however I think I saw a solo or atleast small gang kill recently.

John tbh that kinda intel isn't something you may find so easy to obtain. You may have to awocks or develop an intel network to obtain some of that information. Especially if it isn't redily appareant or it is intel that the people you're trying to spy on have blues outside their realm of influence/home system.

[John Revenent]

Majority of my intel comes from a few hours every night looking at KB/Forums/Video's vOv

[AndersonW]

Majority of my intel comes from a few hours every night looking at KB/Forums/Video's vOv

Quality Intel Analysis right there tbh.. you should work for me.. If I did that sort of thing. Cause I don't.

[Longdrinks]

My Intel comes from being dicked hard by every group in syndicate while soloing :p still fun though. Fuck the haters

[StevieTopSiders]

>Sabre Engages Drake.
>Drake Returns Fire.
>Falcon Uncloaks and Jams Drake.
>Sabre Still Dies.

Moonwarriors 2012, everyone.

[Zekk Pacus]

>someone who appears to be solo is using a falcon alt
>Stevie is surprised by this

If you ever come across a Sabre in Syndicate, assume it to have Falcon support. Lithia Tsanov started the craze and it appears to be catching, I ran into two of them the last time I was in Syndicate. 200mm Sabre with imp. cloak and Falcon support.

[StevieTopSiders]

I wasn't as surprised by the Falcon as I was by not being permajammed.

(That is not to say that ECM is not OP and gay, though.)

[Varcaus]

I though you kill him with fofs and he just didnt burn out of the bubble. Welp

[Lex Arson]

I though you kill him with fofs and he just didnt burn out of the bubble. Welp

We have been using FoF's as a counter to falcons, to great success too might I add. Just not this time ;)

[Bacchanalian]

>someone who appears to be solo is using a falcon alt
>Stevie is surprised by this

If you ever come across a Sabre in Syndicate, assume it to have Falcon support. Lithia Tsanov started the craze and it appears to be catching, I ran into two of them the last time I was in Syndicate. 200mm Sabre with imp. cloak and Falcon support.

Often 2 Falcons.

EDIT: GEE EFFs all over the place tonight, thanks to everyone. BRs later. ♥

[Booley]

So bad BRs from last night.

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=73913
First fight was us + figl vs. usurpers vs. ivy. Usurpers had ~18 people in armor BS with 3x guardian and ecm support, ivy had misc stuff. We were in drakes + oracles, didn't really have enough to fight usurpers in lowsec so we teamed up with figl to sandwich them and push usupers into us. Shot some people, almost broke a guardian before they got reps on it, but had to burn mostly out of tackle range, especially when ivy jumped in. Killed some ivy and usurpers there, then chased them to KFR where we caught a few more usurpers on a gate.
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=73908

Un-blued figl, fought them in d85. We managed to get under the guns of their arty nados and kill most of them for few losses of our own, fight stretched 500km from the gate by the time it was finished.
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=73932

[AndersonW]

So bad BRs from last night.

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=73913
First fight was us + figl vs. usurpers vs. ivy. Usurpers had ~18 people in armor BS with 3x guardian and ecm support, ivy had misc stuff. We were in drakes + oracles, didn't really have enough to fight usurpers in lowsec so we teamed up with figl to sandwich them and push usupers into us. Shot some people, almost broke a guardian before they got reps on it, but had to burn mostly out of tackle range, especially when ivy jumped in. Killed some ivy and usurpers there, then chased them to KFR where we caught a few more usurpers on a gate.
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=73908

Un-blued figl, fought them in d85. We managed to get under the guns of their arty nados and kill most of them for few losses of our own, fight stretched 500km from the gate by the time it was finished.
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=73932



OH LOOK a video of the FIGIL vs ROTE fight..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVS8Pah5Hfc&feature=youtu.be

[Varcaus]

So bad BRs from last night.

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=73913
First fight was us + figl vs. usurpers vs. ivy. Usurpers had ~18 people in armor BS with 3x guardian and ecm support, ivy had misc stuff. We were in drakes + oracles, didn't really have enough to fight usurpers in lowsec so we teamed up with figl to sandwich them and push usupers into us. Shot some people, almost broke a guardian before they got reps on it, but had to burn mostly out of tackle range, especially when ivy jumped in. Killed some ivy and usurpers there, then chased them to KFR where we caught a few more usurpers on a gate.
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=73908

Un-blued figl, fought them in d85. We managed to get under the guns of their arty nados and kill most of them for few losses of our own, fight stretched 500km from the gate by the time it was finished.
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=73932



OH LOOK a video of the FIGIL vs ROTE fight..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVS8Pah5Hfc&feature=youtu.be


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVS8Pah5Hfc&feature=youtu.be Img tag doent work for videos mate

[Aloe]

Nor does the video work, apparently.

e: This video is currently being processed.
Please check back in a few minutes.

Oh.

[AndersonW]

Working now :) and Video tag is Img tag. And it works.

[Longdrinks]

Shit went down in 1NK today when we got three caps tackled at a 7th sanctum pos in 1NK, we got blopsed by about 20 stealthbombers and other shit. initially we only had two of us in subcaps dying fruitlessly in arty thrashers while scoring one or two stealthbomber kills. We rocked that shit almost solo for 30 minutes with ts getting more and more gloomy about loosing all the caps to fucking stealthbombers. Then ineluctable showed and started brawling it out with 7th, AndersonW from rote came in with borrowed thrashers and tornado and moon warriors brought 3 falcons. In the end we warped in armorships and duked it out with reps from tims archon. Before you know it 7th is warping off and we exchange pleasantries in local, one and a half hour after the fighting started.

http://droog.rwpcomputers.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=33980

[TimNeilson]

So yeah, the other night we RFed one of seventh sanctum's small poses in 1-NK, and it came out today at 1600. We spent a little bit of time derping around after it came out, and finally managed to get three capital pilots online to go finish it off, with a moros, a phoenix, and my triage archon, plus a couple dudes in subcaps for support. We get through the pos with little trouble until it gets down to about half structure, at which point seventh sanctum bridges about 20 stealth bombers onto us. The bombers make short work of our subcaps and start working on the various dreads, but they aren't able to break any of us between siege/triage rep bonuses. Eventually our moros manages to make it out somehow, leaving just the phoenix and the archon. At this point our subcap dudes were reshipping into arty thrashers, and also a smartbombing phoon, to try and clear bombers/dictors off the field, to mild success. Ineluctible showed up at some point in there with an assfrig gang and started shooting seventh sanctum as well. This was kind of a double-edged sword to be honest, because the dudes who all died came back in stuff that wasn't quite so vulnerable to frigs, so they Ineluctible temporarily forced off the field. Shortly after that, we manage to extract the phoenix, leaving my archon as the sole capital on the field. At this point I'm looking at my stront numbers and counting cycles, and seeing just how long I can leave my ship out of triage before I have to triage again to not die, getting down to half structure before my reps kicked in at one point. This goes on for a little while, maybe 20 minutes or so, with ineluctible back on the field in bombers, doing a couple bombing runs, clearing drones and bubbles very nicely. Also Anderson showed up at some point and helped clear frigs/bombers as well, with an arty thrasher and later an AC nado. Finally we manage to get a few more people online, and coordinate with moon warriors bringing some falcons and our dudes bringing some armor bc/bs, and cleared out what was at that point a mostly BC gang with a few frigs and a couple BS. To cap the day off after this great fight, we almost killed a thanatos that was fucking around on the station with booley's help, but it docked at like 80% structure because booley's moros bounced about 300km off station, due to bad cyno placement.

[Warmenhoven]

So last night was my first proper roam with the new alliance we're in (ineluctable). We formed up in a 5ish man nano fleet and wen't looking for trouble in 2X as we saw a few people where out in space there. Our tengu went in first and managed to bait an enyo off the station but nothing else followed and as soon as our two canes and zealot turned up it was all UNDOCK THE ARCHON UNDOCH THE ARCHON! Decided to head up to PF instead but ran into a 10+ BS gang with bhaals and vindis which sent us hightailing back into the maze. We hung around PFP for a bit as our numbers increased and took out a vexor in the mean time but the call was given to head home.

I went and made dinner with my housemate (carbonara from scratch which was surprisingly easy and more delicious than the packet stuff)

Got back and we were forming up an AHAC fleet with 20ish people which roamed around and found NOTHING =/ we literally were more successful sitting on a gate waiting for someone to catch up. Rapier kill i think was the only thing of note but anyway decided to hot drop on some Russian carriers we spotted in a desperate attempt to get anything to aggress. They decided to dock up or something (i really wasn't paying attention to what was happening at this point just waiting for the command to go) and the cyno ship went warping around after a different fleet (i think, again not sure), he was however caught by a solo nano cane which was a bit =/ we waited till half armour to see if there was any support but eventually we had to deploy to save the dictor. SO yea 20+ AHAC fleet for one nanocane......great success??

Think we just hit the timings a bit off tonight but hopefully we'll get into a scrap in the not too distant future as i miss flying guardian in a proper engagement.

Although LONGDRINKS DIDNT SAY HELLO BACK WHEN I GREETED HIM IN LOCAL!!!

ALSO ALSO: FUCK YEA INCURSION GONE!

[Duckslayer]

Roams syndi blindly in 20 man ahac gang. Is well known for hotdropping anything and everything. Gets no fights. NBS

TBF not half as bad as huzzahs 50 man kitchen sink battleship daily roams of yesteryear

[Warmenhoven]

Roams syndi blindly in 20 man ahac gang.

There were areas on the map that had large groups out in space inc systems with scouts in reporting simmilar numbers docked up


Is well known for hotdropping anything and everything.

So if we roam in a 20 man fleet we're going to hot drop MORE in? Yes, yes. That makes perfect sense.

[Duckslayer]

I was referring to you bridging a 20 man ahac fleet onto a solo cane. people take note of such things. it leads to people not wanting to fight you

[Warmenhoven]

I was referring to you bridging a 20 man ahac fleet onto a solo cane. people take note of such things. it leads to people not wanting to fight you

I think by the time we were sure there was no support coming it was too late to deaggress (we were desperate by that time =/). but yea wasn't happy with it. Sorry syndi for abusing you like that =[

[John Revenent]

Most of the time you will get a fight if people know what you are in, Syndicate residents always watch for cyno bait. At least I do.

[Aliventi]

There is no greater dick move than when we got a Tri-gun Navy Geddon in to quarter armor on a t1 fit cruiser roam and then they cynoed in a triage Archon to save it. They used that tactic enough that people stopped fighting them because they knew there was one or more triage carriers ready to be cynoed in. IMO save the Titan bridge and cynoing caps for when it's important. Even if that means taking a loss and trowing a gf in local. Syndicate is about good fights. Not who has more caps.

[danile666]

Warmenhoven, whats ineluctables deal for the fight in 1nkvt on sunday? When seventh had our caps tackled your guys randomly showed up and were a huge factor in us surviving. We were dumbfounded when you started fighting seventh and didnt try to tackle us.

[Warmenhoven]

Most of the time you will get a fight if people know what you are in, Syndicate residents always watch for cyno bait. At least I do.

Yea the drop was just to try and get some ruskie carriers, the 2hours before we were roaming normally.


There is no greater dick move than when we got a Tri-gun Navy Geddon in to quarter armor on a t1 fit cruiser roam and then they cynoed in a triage Archon to save it. They used that tactic enough that people stopped fighting them because they knew there was one or more triage carriers ready to be cynoed in. IMO save the Titan bridge and cynoing caps for when it's important. Even if that means taking a loss and trowing a gf in local. Syndicate is about good fights. Not who has more caps.

When did they do that?? We've only just joined recently so i cant comment on anything before but that does sound a bit =/ Personally i've only been involved in drops on Moon when they tried to camp us in and this AHAC one when we went after a carrier.


Warmenhoven, whats ineluctables deal for the fight in 1nkvt on sunday? When seventh had our caps tackled your guys randomly showed up and were a huge factor in us surviving. We were dumbfounded when you started fighting seventh and didnt try to tackle us.

Not too sure as i wasnt there but i'll ask around a bit, looking at it though i think it's just that 7th presented more targets and also, well if i had a chance to shoot CO or 7th it would be 7th erry time.

[Booley]

Another battlereport to make anderson negrep me.

Tinkerhell dropped some carriers on a figl thorax. Figl batphoned glorious ROTE KAPELLE, leaders of the terrible CAPITAL WARFARE in syndicate. Tinkerhell sat around on station, dropped some dreads and blapped a rather pimped figl nightmare.
http://www.figl-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=80927
Figl lit cyno, in comes the ROTE KAPELLE cavalry, bouncing all over the place. We shoot them, kill two dreads and a carrier, sadly just barely losing one of ours. The other two or three tinkerhell carriers dock up.
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=74089

We jump in a JF to carry loot home and our archon pilot trades all his fuel to the JF, requiring him to beg for isotopes to get home after the fight. He was trolled mercilessly.

[Daneel Trevize]

Mwd, no web nightmare :cry:

[Meridith]

So tonight i encountered one of the gayest fucking gangs ive seen in syndicate.

We scouted Nyanpire rolling with 7 dps ships, 1 phobos, and 8 guardians.

After a while of deciding if we had enough players to counter it, being quite late for our ustz players who mostly logged off after our main fleet ended, we got a bunch of people to dualbox battleships, and ended up with 13 battleships in fleet, i think like 3 vindicators? with a triage carrier on standby.

We end up following them to some shitty no station pocket, where they see us and proceed to log in space, because 1:1 dps to logi obviously wasnt enough.

Fuck those guys, i wish eternal blueballs upon them.

[AndersonW]

So tonight i encountered one of the gayest fucking gangs ive seen in syndicate.

We scouted Nyanpire rolling with 7 dps ships, 1 phobos, and 8 guardians.

After a while of deciding if we had enough players to counter it, being quite late for our ustz players who mostly logged off after our main fleet ended, we got a bunch of people to dualbox battleships, and ended up with 13 battleships in fleet, i think like 3 vindicators? with a triage carrier on standby.

We end up following them to some shitty no station pocket, where they see us and proceed to log in space, because 1:1 dps to logi obviously wasnt enough.

Fuck those guys, i wish eternal blueballs upon them.
Rebirth. roams Syndicate again?

Risk averse pvp... the cancer of Eve.

Sent from Asecretbunkerwithinenemylines

[TimNeilson]

8 guardians :cripes:

[glepp]

Hey, the minnies brought 11 logis a couple of nights back to plex Kourmonen.

[AndersonW]

Hey, the minnies brought 11 logis a couple of nights back to plex Kourmonen.

You post about it in the low sec thread?

11 logi is fckin pathetic.

Sent from Asecretbunkerwithinenemylines

[Sponk]

Looks like SynCo's attacks on the western front have paid off; half of Damned Nation (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Damned_Nation)'s corps just rage quit. IIRC they were based out of D5IW so synco now has an easy back route into the VSIG, EF- and 0T pockets. Unfortunately eve-kill is down so I can't check killboards for action, but the alliances in the pockets haven't cascaded yet so vOv.

[Albedo]

Looks like SynCo's attacks on the western front have paid off; half of Damned Nation (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Damned_Nation)'s corps just rage quit. IIRC they were based out of D5IW so synco now has an easy back route into the VSIG, EF- and 0T pockets. Unfortunately eve-kill is down so I can't check killboards for action, but the alliances in the pockets haven't cascaded yet so vOv.


They must be doing something right..

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Damned_Nation/events

Look how many Corps have already left the alliance.....

[Meridith]

Awww, i like damned nation. They fight a lot more then these 'synco' dudes.

[TimNeilson]

anyone know what's going on with all the tidi tonight? shit keeps getting down to like 30%

[Bacchanalian]

Since despite Syndicate consistently the most active PvP region in EVE, we're the redheaded stepchild when it comes to nodes so it invariably seems like we share a node with whatever giant sovblob fight is going on elsewhere in EVE. I've been online on Sundays when there is NO ONE in Syndicate but the lag (now tidi) has been crippling and unplayable. Meanwhile TeamMinmatar channel will be ablaze with discussion of some 1000 v 1000 blobfest elsewhere in EVE.

[Ivy Lash]

FIGL t1 cruiser blob, notorious for crashing syndicate node. Sorry m8's.

[Lex Arson]

Tonight No Remorse. engaged in ~pro pvp (http://bro.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14843704)~ against the mighty forces of Clockwork Pineapple and Moon Warriors.

We had scouted them in M2-, and manage to intercept them in 6E-. We had formed up our gang of mostly active-tanked shield ships, a Maelstrom, Rokh, Sleipnir, and since I didn't have anything like that, I brought my PODLA drake for a bit of added DPS as well as anti-falcon support. After a short minute of looking for them (it's a big system), we were able to confirm their whereabouts.


Blood ofGODS > alright they're on 6-C gate
Lex Arson > is the bubble up?
Blood ofGODS > no
Lex Arson > Alright warping in at range
Blood ofGODS > oh wait it's up now
Lex Arson > -.-

Cue me landing about ~10km of the main of their gang, which was largely short range mixed-tanking cruisers and battlecruisers, some with active tanks. Our Maelstrom was already on-grid engaging them with the Sleip and Rokh inbound, and so with most of their gangs' focus on the Maelstrom and only a long-point on myself, I decide to try to burn out to range instead of gatecrashing and going the rather long way around to rejoin the fight from a distance. This worked for about 30 seconds, until a hostile brawler Vaga took it upon himself to burn out and scram me (what a jerk) and at that point I took most of the hostile gang's attention. Our Sleip and Rokh land at this point as their DPS focuses on our Sleip, which goes down after a few minutes of tanking (he ran out of charges). At this point it turns into our two BS chewing through whatever they could land a scram on until some additional DROOG/MOW reinforcements arrive and overwhelm the Maelstrom, leaving only the Rokh to tank until he finally ran out of charges. Stevie also reshipped into an ASB vaga an rejoined the fight but it simply didn't have the buffer or rep to sustain the now-increased enemy fire (which included a domi and hyperion now at this point). Gf's were thrown in local, DROOG & Co held the field but BR0 won the isk war, albeit barely. In any case, we fought and died with honoure, as did the DROOG/MOW gang that brought no ECM to the fight \o/

[AndersonW]

Tonight No Remorse. engaged in ~pro pvp (http://bro.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14843704)~ against the mighty forces of Clockwork Pineapple and Moon Warriors.

We had scouted them in M2-, and manage to intercept them in 6E-. We had formed up our gang of mostly active-tanked shield ships, a Maelstrom, Rokh, Sleipnir, and since I didn't have anything like that, I brought my PODLA drake for a bit of added DPS as well as anti-falcon support. After a short minute of looking for them (it's a big system), we were able to confirm their whereabouts.


Blood ofGODS > alright they're on 6-C gate
Lex Arson > is the bubble up?
Blood ofGODS > no
Lex Arson > Alright warping in at range
Blood ofGODS > oh wait it's up now
Lex Arson > -.-

Cue me landing about ~10km of the main of their gang, which was largely short range mixed-tanking cruisers and battlecruisers, some with active tanks. Our Maelstrom was already on-grid engaging them with the Sleip and Rokh inbound, and so with most of their gangs' focus on the Maelstrom and only a long-point on myself, I decide to try to burn out to range instead of gatecrashing and going the rather long way around to rejoin the fight from a distance. This worked for about 30 seconds, until a hostile brawler Vaga took it upon himself to burn out and scram me (what a jerk) and at that point I took most of the hostile gang's attention. Our Sleip and Rokh land at this point as their DPS focuses on our Sleip, which goes down after a few minutes of tanking (he ran out of charges). At this point it turns into our two BS chewing through whatever they could land a scram on until some additional DROOG/MOW reinforcements arrive and overwhelm the Maelstrom, leaving only the Rokh to tank until he finally ran out of charges. Stevie also reshipped into an ASB vaga an rejoined the fight but it simply didn't have the buffer or rep to sustain the now-increased enemy fire (which included a domi and hyperion now at this point). Gf's were thrown in local, DROOG & Co held the field but BR0 won the isk war, albeit barely. In any case, we fought and died with honoure, as did the DROOG/MOW gang that brought no ECM to the fight \o/


As I said to you in STIM public.. I bow to your skill and Honor.

[Aloe]

That was a fucking fantastic fight. Pure bloody smash - no Falcons, no logi, no EC- drones, short-range only, Final Destination.

I was on fire, guns, reps and prop mod almost all fully red-ringed, completely out of antimatter and void, holyshit. Great fun, great fight. Thanks for bringing it.

[pBump]

Tonight No Remorse. engaged in ~pro pvp (http://bro.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14843704)~ against the mighty forces of Clockwork Pineapple and Moon Warriors.

We had scouted them in M2-, and manage to intercept them in 6E-. We had formed up our gang of mostly active-tanked shield ships, a Maelstrom, Rokh, Sleipnir, and since I didn't have anything like that, I brought my PODLA drake for a bit of added DPS as well as anti-falcon support. After a short minute of looking for them (it's a big system), we were able to confirm their whereabouts.


Blood ofGODS > alright they're on 6-C gate
Lex Arson > is the bubble up?
Blood ofGODS > no
Lex Arson > Alright warping in at range
Blood ofGODS > oh wait it's up now
Lex Arson > -.-

Cue me landing about ~10km of the main of their gang, which was largely short range mixed-tanking cruisers and battlecruisers, some with active tanks. Our Maelstrom was already on-grid engaging them with the Sleip and Rokh inbound, and so with most of their gangs' focus on the Maelstrom and only a long-point on myself, I decide to try to burn out to range instead of gatecrashing and going the rather long way around to rejoin the fight from a distance. This worked for about 30 seconds, until a hostile brawler Vaga took it upon himself to burn out and scram me (what a jerk) and at that point I took most of the hostile gang's attention. Our Sleip and Rokh land at this point as their DPS focuses on our Sleip, which goes down after a few minutes of tanking (he ran out of charges). At this point it turns into our two BS chewing through whatever they could land a scram on until some additional DROOG/MOW reinforcements arrive and overwhelm the Maelstrom, leaving only the Rokh to tank until he finally ran out of charges. Stevie also reshipped into an ASB vaga an rejoined the fight but it simply didn't have the buffer or rep to sustain the now-increased enemy fire (which included a domi and hyperion now at this point). Gf's were thrown in local, DROOG & Co held the field but BR0 won the isk war, albeit barely. In any case, we fought and died with honoure, as did the DROOG/MOW gang that brought no ECM to the fight \o/


Was good to get an honest brawl. I was the vaga pilot who decided you needed to die first. Took me all of those 30 seconds get my guys to come off the Mael and shoot you though. Goons.

I dispute your claim of winning the ISK war! Link that killboard summary sir.

Elmnt80 is a god damn idiot for getting within web/scram range in a Vigilant. Fuck did that piss me off.

I look forward to more goo fights. (Also your guys pulled DPS off my vaga with one charge left in the ASB)

[StevieTopSiders]

My Vaga wasn't able to tank much, but I completed my objective of killing the Flycatcher, thus saving the Rokh's Crystals. I almost had the Daredevil down, but I popped as he was in low structure with a wee bit of armor repped. A gudfoye indeed!

[Lex Arson]

Tonight No Remorse. engaged in ~pro pvp (http://bro.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14843704)~ against the mighty forces of Clockwork Pineapple and Moon Warriors.

We had scouted them in M2-, and manage to intercept them in 6E-. We had formed up our gang of mostly active-tanked shield ships, a Maelstrom, Rokh, Sleipnir, and since I didn't have anything like that, I brought my PODLA drake for a bit of added DPS as well as anti-falcon support. After a short minute of looking for them (it's a big system), we were able to confirm their whereabouts.


Blood ofGODS > alright they're on 6-C gate
Lex Arson > is the bubble up?
Blood ofGODS > no
Lex Arson > Alright warping in at range
Blood ofGODS > oh wait it's up now
Lex Arson > -.-

Cue me landing about ~10km of the main of their gang, which was largely short range mixed-tanking cruisers and battlecruisers, some with active tanks. Our Maelstrom was already on-grid engaging them with the Sleip and Rokh inbound, and so with most of their gangs' focus on the Maelstrom and only a long-point on myself, I decide to try to burn out to range instead of gatecrashing and going the rather long way around to rejoin the fight from a distance. This worked for about 30 seconds, until a hostile brawler Vaga took it upon himself to burn out and scram me (what a jerk) and at that point I took most of the hostile gang's attention. Our Sleip and Rokh land at this point as their DPS focuses on our Sleip, which goes down after a few minutes of tanking (he ran out of charges). At this point it turns into our two BS chewing through whatever they could land a scram on until some additional DROOG/MOW reinforcements arrive and overwhelm the Maelstrom, leaving only the Rokh to tank until he finally ran out of charges. Stevie also reshipped into an ASB vaga an rejoined the fight but it simply didn't have the buffer or rep to sustain the now-increased enemy fire (which included a domi and hyperion now at this point). Gf's were thrown in local, DROOG & Co held the field but BR0 won the isk war, albeit barely. In any case, we fought and died with honoure, as did the DROOG/MOW gang that brought no ECM to the fight \o/


Was good to get an honest brawl. I was the vaga pilot who decided you needed to die first. Took me all of those 30 seconds get my guys to come off the Mael and shoot you though. Goons.

I dispute your claim of winning the ISK war! Link that killboard summary sir.

Elmnt80 is a god damn idiot for getting within web/scram range in a Vigilant. Fuck did that piss me off.

I look forward to more goo fights. (Also your guys pulled DPS off my vaga with one charge left in the ASB)

http://bro.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14843702

On second glance, it appears we got on some friendly mails with the smartbomb vOv oh well. WE DIED WITH HONOURE

[AndersonW]

Good evening Ladies and Gentlemen of New Eden,

I have an important message from The Alliance of Rote Kapelle to the denizens of Syndicate and the surrounding systems. As of round about time of this announcement we commenced an invasion of the D5IW system, this is the first in a new direction we are undertaking, a new campaign if you will. This campaign will be our most ambitious to date. We have but one goal in mind, that being the total and utter extermination of the worthless, risk averse, and space holding alliances that desecrate the beautiful Region that was Syndicate.

You see this perversion of combat, this lack of honor, this shameful display of utter cowardice is a cancer. We look everywhere and see it and seemingly cannot escape its dreadful gaze. With this verdict, this decree the people of Syndicate shall not be chained and shackled by these abominations any further. For such a cleansing to occur, for the villianry that exists to be exterminated a war must be waged. Rote Kapelle has heard this cry for sanctity and we are answering… we are declaring war. Not just war against a single entity or multiple entities but against a region filth. We declare war against the Syndicate parasites, this extends to the neighboring systems from where they came. You all have been judged and found invalid… you are unfit to hold the systems you currently do. We will reclaim them... we will free them from your tyranny.

I do not feel you will go freely, you may struggle or resist. Maybe wait us out in the safety of station as you have so many countless times before. So now we will force you to fight, we will force your ‘interaction’ or you will be forced to enjoy that tactic that brought us to this impasse right now, the tactic so eloquently referred to by Will Clark as “we know you are out there but we are docked up”. If you do decide to deploy this tactical maneuver we will then deploy more conventional tactics, we will take down your poses and we will remove your customs offices. Your stations will be camped and your logistics halted, you will be completely and utterly cut off from the rest of New Eden. This will be the payment for your hilarity you call validity, so you will be taught the lesson that is Occupation.

So now this is your warning, an ushering of a new era in Syndicate. War is never fun, and this will be no exception. You have had your chance to be worthwhile adversaries… and failed miserably. The time for diplomacy is over, we are coming for you... for all of you. There is no N.A.P. that can protect you, no bat-phone who will save you. Enjoy the fruits of your joke you call combat and New Eden existence… because your time in Syndicate is over… We will show you the door.


Thank You, and Good Luck.


P.S. Stock up on TP and Ramen... its gonna be a long war.

[StevieTopSiders]

Preparing my anus.

Also, we fought against FIGL in Y9G today.

A Harpy of theirs was camping the 97X gate with no scout on the other side. I went in to brawl him with my Taranis, and I promptly got point and the rest of the gang jumped through, because honorsolo would have taken too long against his Kin resists. A Vagabond warped in to the rescue, but he promptly jumped through. One of our members used this opportunity to take a quick bio. A FIGL response gang quickly formed and warped to the gate while we were aggressed after shooting the gate-crashing Vaga. Right as they landed, our links disconnected, so we were down two ships to fight their gang. We primaried an Oracle and then a Cane, trading our own Cane and Oracle. With the ISK-war even, we warped off to safes, except their Vagabond proceeded to play around with one of our pilots who finished him off before reinforcements could warp onto grid.

http://adversity.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14856277

gf


PS- I found two frigate gangs today that I attempted to honorsolo in a dual-web brick Drake. The first time, Cataclysm Enterprises permajammed me with 2 Falcons and a Kitsune, and the second time I was permajammed by I-RED's single Kitsune.

ECM 2 stronk.

):

[Booley]

Anderson on TS " That is whats great about the kids, you can almost taste the innocence"

[Aliventi]

I personally, not as a representative of FIGL, applaud Rote Kapelle. Good luck. I hope you find good fights!

[Lex Arson]

Good evening Ladies and Gentlemen of New Eden,

I have an important message from The Alliance of Rote Kapelle to the denizens of Syndicate and the surrounding systems. As of round about time of this announcement we commenced an invasion of the D5IW system, this is the first in a new direction we are undertaking, a new campaign if you will. This campaign will be our most ambitious to date. We have but one goal in mind, that being the total and utter extermination of the worthless, risk averse, and space holding alliances that desecrate the beautiful Region that was Syndicate.

You see this perversion of combat, this lack of honor, this shameful display of utter cowardice is a cancer. We look everywhere and see it and seemingly cannot escape its dreadful gaze. With this verdict, this decree the people of Syndicate shall not be chained and shackled by these abominations any further. For such a cleansing to occur, for the villianry that exists to be exterminated a war must be waged. Rote Kapelle has heard this cry for sanctity and we are answering… we are declaring war. Not just war against a single entity or multiple entities but against a region filth. We declare war against the Syndicate parasites, this extends to the neighboring systems from where they came. You all have been judged and found invalid… you are unfit to hold the systems you currently do. We will reclaim them... we will free them from your tyranny.

I do not feel you will go freely, you may struggle or resist. Maybe wait us out in the safety of station as you have so many countless times before. So now we will force you to fight, we will force your ‘interaction’ or you will be forced to enjoy that tactic that brought us to this impasse right now, the tactic so eloquently referred to by Will Clark as “we know you are out there but we are docked up”. If you do decide to deploy this tactical maneuver we will then deploy more conventional tactics, we will take down your poses and we will remove your customs offices. Your stations will be camped and your logistics halted, you will be completely and utterly cut off from the rest of New Eden. This will be the payment for your hilarity you call validity, so you will be taught the lesson that is Occupation.

So now this is your warning, an ushering of a new era in Syndicate. War is never fun, and this will be no exception. You have had your chance to be worthwhile adversaries… and failed miserably. The time for diplomacy is over, we are coming for you... for all of you. There is no N.A.P. that can protect you, no bat-phone who will save you. Enjoy the fruits of your joke you call combat and New Eden existence… because your time in Syndicate is over… We will show you the door.


Thank You, and Good Luck.


P.S. Stock up on TP and Ramen... its gonna be a long war.

AND MY AXE

[John Revenent]

Welcome to the party, been doing this for a month. =)

[Bacchanalian]

Welcome to the party, been doing this for a month. =)

Not well enough apparently :P

[bryn987]

Welcome to the party, been doing this for a month. =)
You missed our system

[Gorion Wassenar]

Its a tour. You'll get your stop eventually.

[Lex Arson]

A FIGL response gang quickly formed and warped to the gate while we were aggressed after shooting the gate-crashing Vaga. Right as they landed, our links disconnected, so we were down two ships to fight their gang. We primaried an Oracle and then a Cane, trading our own Cane and Oracle. With the ISK-war even, we warped off to safes, except their Vagabond proceeded to play around with one of our pilots who finished him off before reinforcements could warp onto grid.

Our links and the AC nado. Also we were short a cane that was with us earlier, who I thought had come back from afk but hadn't vOv

Also, somehow FIGL had like 5 battlecruisers all on top of me pointed and webbed and somehow they lost point and I got out: http://i.imgur.com/1KMuW.jpg

gfgf, glad to see you guys keep on bringing it (despite having more dps, more logi, and more ecm :P )

[John Revenent]

My bad was not aware Rote moved to Outer Ring before their announcement.

[AndersonW]

I personally, not as a representative of FIGL, applaud Rote Kapelle. Good luck. I hope you find good fights!



IMHO Figil is of the best entities for bringing it out there.. never ever have they let me down.
See martha this is why I like Figil.. these kids are gonna go far. If I dont kill all of them...


http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=74298



Post was made as first Cyno went up... :)

[Albedo]

Rote been camping d5 station teh last few days. killing a few ships but nothing big.

It seems the only fights they have gotten if from tinkerhell who killed them..
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=74344

and it seems they almost had a fight with I-red and pets but got mad bc I-red and pets had 4 logi in a ahac gang and rote had 2 archons on station and titan and aeon at a pos in system but could not take on i-pets 4 logi ships. other then that seems the fights in outer ring are going to be poco and pos bashing. and some station camping. so fun times to be had.....

[Namamai]

Rote been camping d5 station teh last few days. killing a few ships but nothing big.

It seems the only fights they have gotten if from tinkerhell who killed them..
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=74344

and it seems they almost had a fight with I-red and pets but got mad bc I-red and pets had 4 logi in a ahac gang and rote had 2 archons on station and titan and aeon at a pos in system but could not take on i-pets 4 logi ships. other then that seems the fights in outer ring are going to be poco and pos bashing. and some station camping. so fun times to be had.....
Gimmick accounts belong on kugu. That said, to be blunt:

Have you ever dated a woman, and over the course of the relationship she turned into a complete fucking bitch -- and after a few months when you start packing your shit to leave, she starts playing nice and begs you to stay and promises that she'll stop being bitchy? Of course, the answer is that it's too late; the time to stop being a bitch was months ago.

Guess what? The time for goodfights was months ago. We're not here for goodfights anymore.

We are here to be shitty neighbors. This is not a "pleasant chat and a cup of sugar now and then" relationship; we're here to upperdeck your toilets, pour antifreeze in your flower beds, put dents in your cars, have screaming fuck sessions with the windows open, and play shitty country music at 120dBM at 3am. We are here to shit up your comfortable little life of ratting and moon-mining and smack-talking. We cheer every time one of your members makes a private deal with us to get a JF full of loot out. We laugh at every post on the Rote thread on your forums. We snicker at every moron with a DAMN ticker begging us in local, "why not move to 4C- for some ~real pvp~."

Syndicate is for fighters. If you've proven yourself in the last year or so to be a cowardly, risk-adverse, shit-talking moron, then you belong in empire space, and we are a bunch of drunken Travelers setting up camp in your back yard. You can grow some balls and fight for your home, and earn respect to the point that we move on -- or you can move back to empire where you belong. Either way, our aim is achieved. In the meantime, we'll be camping your stations and hitting every structure we can find that you own. If you're lucky, we might go roam Syndicate as usual for a bit and give you a few hours to evac some more shit in your Black Ops BSes. (PS: Sin sucks ass, real men fly Redeemers or Panthers.)

(ps: We've gotten word that 2skulls is frantically batphoning everyone they can to chase us out, promising them titan kills and the like. We LOLed. Protip: Nearly all of them like us better than you -- and you can't afford the ones that don't.)

[Bacchanalian]

Incidentally, the IRED fleet had 4 guardians+damnation in a 12 man gang.

Oh, and the "ERMERGERD ROTE HAZ SUPERZ THEIR ERGERMENTS ARE IRRELERVERNT" arguments are hilarious. Please let me know when we have ever deployed supercapital assets against anything other than capital ships. As our most active/longest-standing supercarrier pilot, I'm hard pressed to come up with a time when I deployed my Nyx without getting a capital kill (or barely escaping a trap and in doing so failing to kill the bait capitals that RnK put on the field).

The tears are delicious though when a gang evenly sized or even larger than ours cites our titan(s) as their reasons for not fighting our 13 man gang with their 10 guardian 8 hurricane fleets that run into a dead end system and log off en masse.

This isn't being done for fun ladies and gents. This is being done because rather than find a new region to PvP in, we intend to drive out all of the useless station hugging plex running shitbags in the neighborhood, send them back to facwar/incursions/highsec missions for their NPC gameplay, and hopefully usher in a new era of Syndicate residents more like the previous eras of Syndicate where people actually, you know, shot PLAYERS rather than rats.

Applications are open for replacements to the current population, incidentally.

PS: It's nice knowing that we're paying for all of our logistics/bubble/POS-related expenses with the ransoms of your pilots throwing isk at us in order to be allowed to evac their shit.

[John Revenent]

We had 14 in fleet.. but who's counting. vOv

[Bacchanalian]

We had 14 in fleet.. but who's counting. vOv

Ah, well then, only a 2:1 ratio of DPS ships to logistics. Surely with only half a logi per damage ship you were pushing the envelope from "won't die to anything short of an alpha fleet" to "won't die to anything short of 3x our numbers or alpha fleet". I tip my hat to your courage.

[Cue1*]

We had 14 in fleet.. but who's counting. vOv

Ah, well then, only a 2:1 ratio of DPS ships to logistics. Surely with only half a logi per damage ship you were pushing the envelope from "won't die to anything short of an alpha fleet" to "won't die to anything short of 3x our numbers or alpha fleet". I tip my hat to your courage.

Wait, who didn't engage who? I thought you didn't engage them not the other way around? 2:1 DPS:Logi doesn't seem too bad.

[Namamai]

We were in the process of moving into D5IW, so we just had some odds and ends in local; most of us were AFK, or back in TXW getting pants on. No real shape to fight. I-RED brought: four Guardians, five Zealots, a pulse Legion, two tackle Lokis, and a Damnation. (That we saw.)

Now, disregarding the fact that we had no pants on: let's look at the facts of that comp. Assuming that the Damnation pilot is max-skilled and has an armored warfare mindlink plugged in, the Guardians can produce a ~13,000dps tank on any one zealot without even overheating. 16,000 for the Loki/Legion. However, they can only put out around 3,000dps of their own. A force like that can gank any solo scrub that jumps into them, but they won't have DPS on field to kill any opfor with even a single Logi. On the other hand, they can tank a sieged gank dread on them without blinking. This fleet basically screams, "we don't want any fights, we just feel like ganking shit."

The only way you'll break that many Guardian reps is to:
A) blob the fuck out of them
B) Tornado alpha gang capable of blapping a Guardian off the field
C) bring 2 Scorps with all Amarr jammers and hope to gank something during a successful jam cycle
D) try to hurfdurf for a couple minutes and see if the Guardians drift more than 50km off the DPS ball; if so, undock ships with 8-12 damps total, and damp out the Guardians.

Since we didn't have the ships/pilots for A/B/C, and didn't feel like wasting time with D, we opted to ignore them.

So, they warped in to the station, killed our T1 cyno frigate (me), then putzed around for a bit showing off their cocks. They started shooting an anchored bubble on station, and we said "fine, fuck you too" and undocked a carrier to rep it. No fights to be had, I-RED moves on.

Now, if they had brought two Guardians, that'd be a different story. That's around a 6,500dps tank on any one Zealot before heat; we could try to cobble together something of equal size (say, welpcanes/podladrakes plus a scimi and falcon) and try to bust a Zealot or two with quick target switches. But four Guardians? LOL, no. That's just not engagable with 12 people, other than the aforementioned "undock all-Amarr Scorpions and pray for good jams" fleet. Any of the fleet comps that were available to us would ultimately end in a draw with no ships dead on either side.

That's how it goes some nights. You have to bring something that people want to fight. Why do you think we end up flying comedy ops so much?

[StevieTopSiders]

M8r with how stronk ECM is, I'm sure you would've been fine with one ECM drone per Guardian.

And the fucked up part is that that would probably work.

[AndersonW]

M8r with how stronk ECM is, I'm sure you would've been fine with one ECM drone per Guardian.

And the fucked up part is that that would probably work.

lol is it bad we talked about it

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[John Revenent]

Two guardians come on now even I know Rote is not stupid enough to fly a AHAC fleet with 2 silly guardians.

[Booley]

Two guardians come on now even I know Rote is not stupid enough to fly a AHAC fleet with 2 silly guardians.
We do it all the time.

[John Revenent]

Good to know. But I doubt you would come to 98Q with 2 Guardians, just as we would not goto Rote's base of Ops with 2 guardians.

[Bacchanalian]

Depends on numbers in space, on the map, and what we have in fleet. We tend to scale our guardians reasonably according to our fleet size. For instance, in order for us to field FOUR guardians, we'd be fielding a fleet of at least 25-40. Two guardians would be sufficient for anything short of that, and once in a while we might field 3 in that no man's land in between 20 and 25.

I think if you actually fought us a bit more we wouldn't be having this conversation, but that's neither here nor there. 98Q's time will come, especially now that you've run on back there to put up your fort. :)

By way of BR, pretty much anything that isn't a cloaky bubble immune t3 that has undocked from the station in D5IW has either been vaporized or forced back into station. There are no longer any functional customs offices in the system, with the player owned ones reinforced and the rest obliterated.

[John Revenent]

98Q's time will come, especially now that you've run on back there to put up your fort. :)

Yup yup.

*Insert internet E-Peen comment here*

[Nerfbat]

Fair few of Damned Nation have moved into VSIG now to join their other german brosefs. Interstellar Confederation, Vega, Alexander and Damned Nation are forming a big blue cuddly family.

[AndersonW]

Fair few of Damned Nation have moved into VSIG now to join their other german brosefs. Interstellar Confederation, Vega, Alexander and Damned Nation are forming a big blue cuddly family.

We know. Syndicate doesnt doo much without us giggling silently. Thank u tho..

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[Zekk Pacus]

I, for one, welcome our new Rote Kapelle overlords.

[Nerfbat]

Imagined you knew, just thought id mention it. We(V3.R) are pretty pissy at the whole blue thing aswell. Trying to get fights with Interstellar but it only happens when they shoot your tower with blues in a 40 man bs gang or you shoot their tower and snag a kill or two as they form up. And its not like we ourselves are particularly good at the whole pvp thing. Rarely get more than 7-8 in our gangs.


Will be nice to see them get rooted even if it means we also get kicked out in the process. Oh and also they must be fairly desperate because a DN guy just cynoed in VSIG... at station... in a Tengu.

[Duckslayer]

I, for one, welcome our new Rote Kapelle overlords.

[StevieTopSiders]

I don't know if you guys know this, but Owneiroses are better than Guardians for AHAC fleets.

Assuming this is actual AB Zealots (why do you roam with these, retards?) instead of MWD Armor HAC's (lol). But still, Owneis are better in that case too.

[AndersonW]

I don't know if you guys know this, but Owneiroses are better than Guardians for AHAC fleets.

Assuming this is actual AB Zealots (why do you roam with these, retards?) instead of MWD Armor HAC's (lol). But still, Owneis are better in that case too.

Armor hacs arent really lol it depends what ur fighting. In null skirmish is king.. and AB armor hacs cant keep up. Essentially you have to land in your optimal... or have your enemy jump into you. MWD hacs have the same tank + ability to reach out and touch someone allowing you to be more versitile across the board.

All in All AB hacs are better but its situational.

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[Duckslayer]

I don't know if you guys know this, but Owneiroses are better than Guardians for AHAC fleets.

Assuming this is actual AB Zealots (why do you roam with these, retards?) instead of MWD Armor HAC's (lol). But still, Owneis are better in that case too.

when youre doing nothing but RK bushido you only need 2 guardians m8

[AndersonW]

I don't know if you guys know this, but Owneiroses are better than Guardians for AHAC fleets.

Assuming this is actual AB Zealots (why do you roam with these, retards?) instead of MWD Armor HAC's (lol). But still, Owneis are better in that case too.

when youre doing nothing but RK bushido you only need 2 guardians m8

Bushido emotes mostly non-logi asisted combat. And bad troll is bad m8. He was talking about IRED you are talking about us.. I think you missed something.

[Duckslayer]

I don't know if you guys know this, but Owneiroses are better than Guardians for AHAC fleets.

Assuming this is actual AB Zealots (why do you roam with these, retards?) instead of MWD Armor HAC's (lol). But still, Owneis are better in that case too.

when youre doing nothing but RK bushido you only need 2 guardians m8

Bushido emotes mostly non-logi asisted combat. And bad troll is bad m8. He was talking about IRED you are talking about us.. I think you missed something.

you sure about that?

[AndersonW]

I don't know if you guys know this, but Owneiroses are better than Guardians for AHAC fleets.

Assuming this is actual AB Zealots (why do you roam with these, retards?) instead of MWD Armor HAC's (lol). But still, Owneis are better in that case too.

when youre doing nothing but RK bushido you only need 2 guardians m8

Bushido emotes mostly non-logi asisted combat. And bad troll is bad m8. He was talking about IRED you are talking about us.. I think you missed something.

you sure about that?

pmuch ... IRED had the fleet with zealots and guardians. We did not... He was referring to better ahac tactics associated with guardians vs onieros with zealots. Meanig he was refering to IRED. I think I understand what RK Bushido.. so yeah pmuch.

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[StevieTopSiders]

My point was that AB Zealots are cap stable (meaning you don't need Guardian cap transfers), and an AB Oneiros can fit 4x Large Reps without a cap chain. Hence, if you're using an AB Zealot fleet, you might as well fly Owneiroses.

If you're flying MWD Zealots, then AB Guardians will hinder your mobility, so you should fly MWD Owneiroses.

And yes, I was referring to I-RED being dumb for either: a) using MWD Zealots with AB Logi support or b) roaming in an AB-based fleet with AB Zealots and AB Guardians.

This is all based on the assumption, however, that there isn't some weird MWD-Guardian fit.

[Suleiman Shouaa]

Your careful analysis assumes that the enemy fleet doesn't have any neuts, which is a *bit* dodgy.

[StevieTopSiders]

Don't fight Bhaalgorns. :v

Guardians are still ghey.

[Funkert]

Anderson easily best poster and bestest english in syndicate.

Also lol @ DN 3-post-account "why you not warp capfleet on a 14 man hac gang"

[Cassius Longinus]

Sheeeet, I haven't posted here in a while, but you guys are talking about The Sexy Fleets of Syndicate, and I can't help but chime in.

I just want to comment on the "comping dumb shit" point. Some of my favorite comping strategies:

1. AB guardians, MWD HACs. Actually, I tell the guardian pilots to do whatever they want and stop bugging me. This allows me to stretch a fight over a grid up to about 100, instead of just balling up. One time, I bumped this fleet into a proper ired ball, and they pretty much tore us up (well, they killed a ship, and we couldn't break their logiball- I primaried a SFI which was probably a mistake). Those AB's matter for proper fights, but frankly, I get those once a quarter, so better to have more flexibility. The only real downside in practice is the one guy in a deimos who thinks he's in a vaga or something and burns out to 130 and dies like a scrub.

2. No AB HACs, period. I mean, sure we have them staged, but i'm not roaming in that bullshit. I'll sit it on a titan if I have a known fleet to fight somewhere. Again, deliberately degrading our fleetcomp, but v0v. We dont' get punished for it because 9 times out of 10, better fleets run.

3. Jump In To Everything. We have to; I usually do. Only exception is skirmish/alpha gangs already off gate. Why bother.

4. 2 Guardians. I would say that the vast majority of my ahac fleets have 2. I generally comp 3 when fleet hits 20-25. Then I get trolled about how no one will fight me. :eyeroll:. I would TOTALLY do oneiros but our pilots are all fucking terrible except for Nam, and don't have em staged. I could start CTAing combat oneiros fleet again I guess.

5. Lately I've been coming oracles and drakes for mid range skirmish, if you see this fleet, it's not alpha, so come fight me. I'd totally use 800 nado's, but then everyone runs.

I'm trying to remember what other ridiculously bad stuff we do- there is lots. Honestly, we fleet up, and roam, hoping to bump into another fleet, and hoping we can fight the fleet. Get a fight, die like dogs, whatever- we're in space about it. I do this at like 0330 during the week, so there are never any enemy fleets (except sometimes John is up late, or Exodus are around), and I'm all QQ about it... if you wanna hang in the 'Stimulus' pub channel, ask me if I'm taking a fleet out and you can totally comp to beat us. I'll tell you where we're going so it's easy on you.

All the shitposting and localsplerge about who is fighting and who is not is just so much v0v. You take the ships into space, and god willing (and 2 chumps pretending to be FCs), you get to have a Gee Eff.

Anyways, I love you all, and will stop by for a cup of sugar sooner or later.

[Jack Coutu]

So you will end up camping all day then just watching a cycle of replacements no different than the ones you "evicted" come in? Rote has always gone a bit too far when countering and they certainly aren't in it for only gf's. This seems like it will just end in Rote being even more alone in Syndicate, good luck with that.

[John Revenent]

(except sometimes John is up late, or Exodus are around)

But I am a risk adverse noob who stays docked 23/7 that deserves to get kicked out of Syndican't.

[AndersonW]

So you will end up camping all day then just watching a cycle of replacements no different than the ones you "evicted" come in? Rote has always gone a bit too far when countering and they certainly aren't in it for only gf's. This seems like it will just end in Rote being even more alone in Syndicate, good luck with that.


That is a fair question. Since there will be a cycle of replacements, its a new chance for all of them not to end up camped in.. so not going to be alone. But maybe I can explain this. We are in it for the gfs we have always always been in it for the gfs, we literally ship down, bring less, and will fight horrendously out numbered without question because thats what we have to do for GFs. Eve is the one game where you can force interaction, you can push the limits of 'personnal space' in more favor or whatever you are capable of accomplishing. No one in Syndicate would fight us, except FIGIL. Even John has started down that path to never fighting... So we changed how we played, we adapted our style. We became good at pvp - people ran away... we became good at solo - people started to outnumber us 5:1 or more to fight... We reduced our ability to fight to make things more even - and these same people mocked us from station. We said enough...

We decided that instead of going where there are more people that maybe will know less than better than to fight us, we would make it miserable for the people who already live here. These people avoid us like the plauge, deny us fights and do their best to starve of us of the very sustenance that any single killer needs. Splosions. They would fight 15v1 without issues, and then talk shit about it after.. so that got us thinking... We changed to fit our needs and counter the tactics of the idle invalid factions of syndicate. They would try to ignore us? So we would make ignoring us impossible. They would perma dock around us? So we would camp them 24/7 and show them that maybe they need to show more respect and less local channel pvp.

Look you don't like what we are doing, thats fine cause we don't care. We are doing this our way, Owning our area of Eve our way.. and unless you wanna bring your friends and bring us a GF.. then shut up. Grandstanding, criticizing, forum warfare, attempts to be involved are really is just that... attempts to be involved... words on a forum because you wouldn't dare say it to my pixilated ship front.. I encourage you to be valid... I call you out.. I threaten you with space violence.. man up. Act like you care about being petrified to undock in a fleet of 30 and its JUST ME in local.

We waited for you guys to do something.. you picked your road, you made your bed. So those of you watching through the windows your peeping tom wastes of forum character space should maybe do something about it. Atleast then you are more than just some forum troll... and a sad one at that. Rote is changing the way things are done in Syndicate and none of you.. NONE of you have the balls to do ANYTHING about it.. so fck off.




(except sometimes John is up late, or Exodus are around)

But I am a risk adverse noob who stays docked 23/7 that deserves to get kicked out of Syndican't.

You have been horrendously averse as of late. I am hopeful you will change your ways.

[Ivy Lash]

I'll fight you Anderson... Maybe some time this weekend. I have had to cut back on my medicinals as of late (don't judge me it's legal in Michigan), to appease a new employer. Rather then putting my FIGL m8's through my comms irritability, I have been ganking drone ratters solo. I'm thinking Sunday I shall come and drag you off your camp in D5IW for honurable space pewpew.

[Namamai]

So you will end up camping all day then just watching a cycle of replacements no different than the ones you "evicted" come in? Rote has always gone a bit too far when countering and they certainly aren't in it for only gf's. This seems like it will just end in Rote being even more alone in Syndicate, good luck with that.
Story time: We caught someone by surprise this weekend during a quick roam to PF- and back. The pilot in question had all our FCs bookmarked, so he assumed we didn't have a fleet out; when we showed up, his first reaction in local was "Where's Cassius?" (Cass was FCing on one of his alts.)

This exemplifies many present Syndicate residents: Scaredy-cats who literally dock up when one of our FCs so much as logs in. It'd be adorable, if it weren't so very sad. Ergo, if we end up "alone" in Syndicate as a result of our present actions, I would argue that very little has changed for us.

If nothing else, in the last 48 hours, we've had a few quick bits of PvP on the D5IW undock camp, and we've had a few fleets drop by to check on the fun. Compared to the last few weeks of "let's handicap ourselves by bringing only 2 logi and no recons, and see if anyone will fight it... nope, too scary" -- at least we're shooting stuff.

We're creating content; deal with it. And given the sudden emptying out of EF-F36, and the quick renewal/creation of mutual blues, at least two of you plan to deal with it in some way. We look forward to the pew. :)

(Unrelated: "Scaredy-cats" would be an awesome ship doctrine name.)

Edit: Relevant MLP image macro (http://www.bittervet.com/ponies/tom_forever.gif).

[pBump]

Alright fine.

Lets do this.

Here's a look at what happens when the denizens of Syndicate (or there about) give Rote the GF's they so crave.

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=73904 13 kills 1 loss

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=73740 10 kills 0 losses

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=73405 25 kills 1 loss

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=73333 16 kills 1 loss

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=71216 14 kills 0 losses

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=71102 20 kills 0 losses

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=70172 6 kills 0 losses


More you say?


http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=69812 - 14 kills 4 losses

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=68300 - 7 kills 0 losses

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=68296[/url - 7 kills 0 losses

[urlhttp://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=68105 - 5 kills 0 losses



Still not sure?

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=65850 - 10 kills 2 losses

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=65830 - 14 kills 0 losses

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=64489 - 9 kills 0 losses

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=60748&adjacent=1 - 26 kills 5 losses

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=56351 - 13 kills 0 losses

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=55461- 12 kiills 2 losses



Damn those risk averse pubbies! Right? How could they not want more?!

If there's seriously even one thread on your forums where you are wondering "Why oh why do they not fight?!?" - Then Rotes even more out of touch with Syndicate than the past few pages of this thread make them seem.

By all means, go nuts running those guys out of D5. If you think you can create some turnover in the local groups by beating the shit out of idiots more power to you.

The truth is much more simple. Nobody else who lives in Syndicate can compete.

[Duckslayer]

:RK Bushido:

[Zekk Pacus]

I am on the fence here.

I lived in Syndicate for years and yes, there are risk-averse faggots in Syndicate. Guess what? In any kind of game where PVP has real loss there will be risk-averse faggots. If you kick them out (as has been done SEVERAL times, Syndicate goes in cycles) guess who will turn up? More risk-averse faggots. Syndicate has nothing worth fighting for, no sov, the decent moons are owned by massive powerblocs who care nothing for Syndicate and fuel their towers using alts. The space is poor, Serpentis complexes are poor in comparison to p.much all other plexes. So what you get is two groups of people:

1) Risk-averse faggots who want to play at being nullsec and getting the ISK. No matter that there are literally half a dozen ways to make isk in hi/lowsec that beat Syndicate by a very big amount, they're there and they want teh iskies. They won't fight anyone except when they occasionally drop carriers on 15man gangs. This is the equivalent of a hedgehog making itself big and puffy to scare away a fox. They will always behave like this and they are very dedicated carebears. You might get rid of them temporarily but the systems don't stop being incredibly easy to defend and lock down, so soon enough new corps move in. Look at the S-U pocket for confirmation of this.
2) Kitchen-sink fleet lolcorps. RPS Holdings to my knowledge never fielded logistics ships, neither did any of the people we used to bump heads with (GROON, Combined Planetary Union, Tlak Chilk and friends, etc etc etc). This is all 18-month old information so much may have changed but RPSH didn't field them because we had a total of 3 good logi pilots. Guess who the 3 most reliable FCs were? Yeah you got that right. I never saw GROON rolling with them apart from occasional Guardian camping. CPU would have been the same as RPSH in terms of capable logi pilots (plus they were tiny), Tlak Chilk and his lot probably the same. These corps field what they have to hand, most of them wouldn't know their ABHAC from their ANZAC.

Added to these elements you get the one 'srsbsns' alliance that has serious capital assets, FCs who know what they're doing (or at least the appearance of it), proper fleet compositions and organisation. What happens is people stop engaging them either because there is a massive napfest (Huzzah), they're capital-ship happy and nobody else in the region can compete with their assets (QS), or they just outclass everyone else in terms of fighting. This is where Rote comes in.

You are the proverbial big fish in the tiny pond - you have organisation, you have assets, you have composition. You can continue this campaign (and I secretly wish you luck) but it won't get you anywhere. Syndicate is the equivalent of Scunthorpe on a windy November evening - nobody cares about it. You can get rid of the scum, new scum will replace them.

[StevieTopSiders]

You guys should move to Curse or Venal and fight duders there, because the only place you're going to find a group as organized as yourselves is in null-sec, tbqh.

[Funkert]

Ok maybe it won't work but we can still have fun trying

And they were looking at us the wrong way!


(edit: 'us' being RK, even though i have been in 3 fleets since 2011)

[Cassius Longinus]

The truth is much more simple. Nobody else who lives in Syndicate can compete.

You aren't giving people credit. I don't want to play the killboard game too much but:

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=74345 (I wasn't there for this, but dayum)
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=66300 (Welped a fleet)
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=68925 (Welped another fleet to ired)
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=63124 (You guys spanked us)

Ultimately it's not that important. Putting fleets in space is important, it creates activity for everyone. For every 3 times I put a fleet in space, one time I'll make contact with a hostile fleet. For every 3-4 times I make contact, they commit to a fight once. When they commit, I probably "win" about half, though we get a fair bit of "pushes" due to logi being a shit mechanic. When people commit, I lose ships almost universally, though you are right, we kick a lot of ass too. My position internally, is that I'm there to get my pilots ships lost, so they can have a good time in space. I think if people committed more, I'd lose a lot more.

Rote today is half the size it was a year ago (STIM are shitty bedpartners)... we were never more rightsized for the region. I'd say that Syndicate has lost a lot of population to facwar though, which is unfortunate. Ran all the big systems last night and found like 1 guy in space pvping- that's meh.

Simultaneous to this is that we are full of soloers, and Syndicate is still the best region for that, imo. Anderson is out losing all the ships.


But I am a risk adverse noob who stays docked 23/7 that deserves to get kicked out of Syndican't.

That's just pillow-talk, baby. Also, I'll reveal a secret: we can't really kick anyone out :)

[Gorion Wassenar]

I would love Syndicate to be populated by a bevy of Tlak's. Hell I might even bother soloing if that happened. Better than "a Rote FC logged in, everyone dock" or "Rote in local dock up everyone".

Edit: last I checked Syndicate was 0.0

[StevieTopSiders]

Syndicate is low-sec without bubbles. You guys should go brawl with Black Legion. or Darkside.

Also, I like the BR you linked where you lost all of your destroyers, but the carriers and armor battlestronks survived. :v

[Varcaus]

The truth is much more simple. Nobody else who lives in Syndicate can compete.

You aren't giving people credit. I don't want to play the killboard game too much but:

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=74345 (I wasn't there for this, but dayum)
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=66300 (Welped a fleet)
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=68925 (Welped another fleet to ired)
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=63124 (You guys spanked us)



1) maybe a gf
2) lol caps against BC (ok sure you welped some dessies)
3) lol fleet and still most of you survived
4) lost like 3 ships not even close to a welp

2 of those are so old they have a dead alliance on them.

[AndersonW]

I think I'll say this again, if you don't like what we are doing here then either;

A. Do something about it...

B. Shut the hell up...

There are some of you who will never even come to syndicate to fight, so why are you positing in this thread? Furthermore... for all of your 'opinions'.. your 'attempts at relevance'... your 'advice on what rote should do as if rote gave a shit'... I offer this singular response.

I have moved to D5IW.. I am accepting 1v1s all day that i am awake. I would even do 5v5s or 10 v 10s... for the fun. I die alot... I kill alot... and its a blast. Im always in the mood for a fight so instead of forum Waring man the fck up and come see me. Your text pvp skill is making me giggle.



And pbump... your whining on forums about why Rote Kapelle is being such a big bad meanie is killing the members of your Alliance that are pgood, they joke about it all the time privately. Plus its sad. I expect this crap out of John, I expect it out of Damned Nation... but you? You were so much like us..



ALL of you need to take a page out of Arson's book of pvp with 0 fcks given, and FIGIL's book of we literally are here for the gfs and bitch slaps. Prolly the only people in the area who shouldnt get shit on.

[Gorion Wassenar]

I disagree. Syndicate is as much npc 0.0 as the others. The problem is the pervasive attitude that its not worth it, turning it into "npc lite". This pearlclutching and daintyness bullshit has gone on long enough. So what if the next residents might do the same thing. At least they will have the chance to do better.

Tldr we are the fucking reapers of Syndicate ala mass effect minus EA. And your plumb out of Shepard's.

[michaeljd]

I'll just leave this here.

http://12thlegion.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14740013

[Bacchanalian]

Syndicate is low-sec without bubbles. You guys should go brawl with Black Legion. or Darkside.

Also, I like the BR you linked where you lost all of your destroyers, but the carriers and armor battlestronks survived. :v

Actually what happened there was Cass welped the destroyerfleet, but we wanted to take down a poco so we dropped in my Rorqual and two Moros. They came with 349583409583094854 BCs, but we had the Moros spread out and were blapping them for quite a while before the rest of our fleet reshipped into carriers and BS to bridge back in and save the derpnaughts and rorqual that were a bit overeager. When we dropped the rest of the fleet, we dropped maximum numbers and total overkill so we could intentionally scare everyone we didn't catch off of the field, finish the damned pocos and head home ASAP.

We had shown up in thrashers to begin with because we correctly assumed no one would fight us in anything else.

[michaeljd]

http://12thlegion.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14740013

IRED Doesnt fight?? We were on field for over an hour engaging Vera/Damned. You brought sniping tier 3's how about you actually bring the fight next time.

[cerui]

You guys should move to Curse or Venal and fight duders there, because the only place you're going to find a group as organized as yourselves is in null-sec, tbqh.

JC'ed over to Curse (I have a few ships staged there) because I have strong ties to that region ever since my BOZO days. Solo roam down to Wicked Creek (didn't even use CharlieTheUnicorn to scout), 12 active people (some scrubs who had lived in syndicate and never gotten hotdropped by us) refuse to engage me because I'm Rote and I'll hotdrop them (afaik I'm the only member of Rote who actually flies down there). Nearest online rote member was....50 jumps away.

I get what you're saying but those groups, at least the last time around were either on the wrong timezone (The HARK vs STUGH problem) or capable of putting out (semi)competant fleet 2-3 times ours.

Eh, we'll see what happens although I must admit I miss TCF and the fun BOZOS had when we pulled similiar to what we're pulling right now on one of their corporations (said corp moved systems :D )

[cerui]

http://12thlegion.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14740013

IRED Doesnt fight?? We were on field for over an hour engaging Vera/Damned. You brought sniping tier 3's how about you actually bring the fight next time.

Single instance is a proof? Not really. Besides surprise buttseks 3 ways very rarely happen in Eve, amirite? ;)*

* I wasn't there but iirc the fleet wasn't specificly brought out for you, someone will correct me if I'm wrong

[michaeljd]

Well it actually would have been a 4 way. We and Vera tried to go after Damnation. They didn't so Vera ended up fighting us. Damned Nation undocked and fought everyone then Rote landed with their Tier 3 fleet plus eyes in system showed Rote forming up to come at us.

[michaeljd]

yay gf's though Vera brought it.

[Namamai]

You guys should move to Curse or Venal and fight duders there, because the only place you're going to find a group as organized as yourselves is in null-sec, tbqh.

Syndicate is low-sec without bubbles. You guys should go brawl with Black Legion. or Darkside.
Not sure if troll or moron. Let's assume the second.

(WARNING: WALL OF TEXT FOLLOWS)

First, setting expectations. A typical fleet for us is 10 people on a bad night, 15 on an average night, and 25ish on a busy Friday. (That includes people dualboxing.) If we send out SMSes and Mumble pokes going "ZOMG SUPERS TACKLED" we might get 30. So, obviously, we're not even playing the same game as people involved in sov-level conflicts. At our size, it's NPC space or nothing.

"You guys should brawl BL" -- I know you're more informed than that, Stevie. BL typically rolls in 45-50 man gangs, almost always alpha (Elo's Muninns, or Nados). That kind of number superiority, especially when it's consistently comped, is not something that we can punch up to. And more to the point, BL are knee-deep in the Tribute War right now; any fight with Black Legion is probably going to include an extra 20-40 people from NCDOT.

So, what regions of NPC 0.0 are available to us?

* Curse: Curse is currently the home of a Russian proxy war, so the place is full of sov entities -- INK, RA, S2N, SOLAR, Gypsy, etc. -- brawling it out right now. Not many ~gf~s to be had there for a group of our size. That aside, it's a good region, but there's serious problems with office availability. To seriously live here, we'd need at least two offices in a station that has both repair and cloning facilities, and that narrows the list to 7 systems. Nearly every office in those stations is sold out. :(

* Great Wildlands: It's viable, but it's a very quiet region. There's only three stations in the whole region, all in one corner; nearly everyone here lives out of a POS. If we moved here, it'd mostly be to roam into Curse and camp Khabi.

* Venal: Only one station in it (6NJ8) is reachable via carrier without a midpoint. It has no available offices, last I checked. Not many people to fight, either -- we'd mostly be harassing CFC or DOTbro forces on their way to and from Tribute, and doing quick nano-roams into Fade.

* Geminate: Only one NPC station. And not many people in our weight class to fight -- it'd be a guerilla lifestyle, harassing Steel Brotherhood, SOLAR, and Brick, both of whom roll much bigger than us.

* NPC portions of Delve/Fountain/PureBlind: Hope you like being camped in by CFC 23/7.

Ultimately, for fleet sizes of 10-25, Syndicate is the only game in town at present.

Edit: In case the conclusion isn't obvious enough -- Rote isn't some big gigantic blob who should have taken sov years ago. We're about the same size as the people we fight (or used to fight, anyways); and SynCo in particular can put far more people on a grid than we can. If you're having serious trouble contending with us, you should seriously consider upping your game, recruitment/fleetcomp/CTA wise. That, or expect to see us moving into your system and asking for a cup of sugar :)

[michaeljd]

fixed br http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=13748

[John Revenent]

I expect this crap out of John.

lol


Also, I'll reveal a secret: we can't really kick anyone out

I didn't know people take this forum seriously vOv

[Lex Arson]

I'll throw in my 2 cents in as well I suppose.

I can agree that Rote outclass pretty much everybody in Syndicate. This is a well-known fact and it's not like anybody is trying to deny it. When Rote does form up that nasty 20-25 man fleet on Friday nights, there's not a lot of entities in Syndicate that can handle that. Sure Synco (and previous entites like Flatline & Co who are no longer around) can put 50+ duders on grid easily, which is twice what Rote can realistically field. Rote however do have the superior organization, resources, and skill to use force multipliers like faction ships, T3's, and capitals. If a brawl were to go down between Synco and Rote (currently the two largest Syndicate entities) there is no doubt in my mind that Rote would come out on top. This is primarily due to the aforementioned access to "shinies" as well as general experience. How many Synco pilots do you think have experience flying a triage carrier, or have the have the self-confidence in their hellcat fleet to comp 1+ bil faction ships? Less than you can count on one hand I'm sure.

IMO, this comes down to different recruitment policies. The average Synco (or damned nation or whatever pilot, I'm just using them as an example) can be expected to have less experienced, lower SP, and less wealthy pilots than Rote, because they simply recruit younger or less experienced players. We can argue all day as to whether or not this is a good thing or not, but I suspect a fair amount of it also comes down to some amount of lax-ness within Synco and other entities regarding ship fittings and skill levels. Rote members watch their KB like rabid hawks, and if someone dies with a shit fit you can be they're going to hear about it from someone. This also comes with the experience they have, where pretty much everyone knows how to properly fit a ship, whereas you have to seriously wonder with some of the other groups you see around here.

So, if Rote form up a big nasty gang then sure, there's not a lot most of Syndicate can do. But let's take a step back a moment. Apart from every Friday night at 0300 or whatever, how often do you see that big nasty Rote gang? Most people are too far under the preconception of "omfg it's rote" to actually stop, take a breath, and look at your fleet compared to whatever Rote has. I've fleeted with Anderson a few times and veritably shook my head at the kind of things he was suggesting we should engage with what we had in fleet.

Then there are the absolutely spineless people. Moon Warriors, Iberians, Wok, BTA. These guys sit around and camp and comp 2-3 falcons with every gang (I wouldn't class Exanimo/Anger Management with these guys, but I've seen them comp 4 falcons before in a 15-man gang ffs) and have shown themselves to be completely incapable of accomplishing anything on their own. I can't remember the last time I've been in a "fight" with any of these guys (in the case of moon warriors, without having DROOG or FL with them). There was a fun time when myself and a corpmate tore apart a BTA gatecamp that had light tackle, DPS, and ECM with just a drake and a talos, but after that their gatecamps started warping off to tacticals whenever my drake would come through. These are the types of people I wouldn't mind at all seeing removed from Syndicate.

John, I think your group has promise, but ffs, nut up, up the standards with your guys (no more shit fits, no more meta guns, etc) and take some risks, fight outnumbered for a change. Don't get attached to your ships but see them as means to end, the end being awesome ~gudfites~. Imo the mark of a good group is one that will willingly engage outnumbered, and there are maybe three groups in Syndicate that will do that.

I think there was more I was gonna comment on, but I forgot vOv

http://cdn5.wtfnews.org/0d/e2635ba47199a1c5acba9a11c2c9cf/hey-i-just-met-you-alzheimers.jpg

[Duckslayer]

* Geminate: Only one NPC station. And not many people in our weight class to fight -- it'd be a guerilla lifestyle, harassing Steel Brotherhood, SOLAR, and Brick, both of whom roll much bigger than us.


this one sounds ideal. use your skills to rape blobby bads. can base out of lowsec if station access is shitty

[AndersonW]

Most people are too far under the preconception of "omfg it's rote" to actually stop, take a breath, and look at your fleet compared to whatever Rote has. I've fleeted with Anderson a few times and veritably shook my head at the kind of things he was suggesting we should engage with what we had in fleet.




THIS.. but I am suicidal.. its true.


Lex Arson > I would say you are half balls of steel and half batshit crazy

[CyrusNZ]

People fight my raven!

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=73110
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=74064
http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=73139