LOL COMPLAINING THREAD - LAST THREAD IS IN A HONCENTRATION CAMP

[filingo]

blame jindo minian

[Omega Supreme]

What's the honyang thing, I never figured out where that came from and saw it put into the thread's title one day and it's been there since.

[filingo]

when you have a bad game its like being back in nam, honyang honcentration camp

[evil edna]

th is there right now, he got leaver queued right out of europe

[dynamical]

th is there right now, he got leaver queued right out of europe

Nbs

[Jindo Minian]

Sweet, E-fame i guess.
No one did answer that question about Junglers by the way.

[Roam]

I think the issue (and let me add your interpretation of it being a sensitive nerve is wrong) is one of worn out exhaustion. Anyone who has played the jungler role frequently knows the vile vitriol being spewed at junglers by bad players, and how it indicates complete and utter ignorance of some core game aspects.

In this case, because it's FHC and we're all brosefs, Vorkash (who I've never known to be ragey in the past) decided to make a slightly more elaborate post explaining to you that in most general cases the jungler is a role all about time management, just to get some of the more frequent misconceptions out of the way.

Anyway, yeah. Junglers are used to getting a lot of abuse hurled their way, because there are some lower elo misconceptions floating around as to what the role of a jungler is (read: not to win your lane for you)

[Zekk Pacus]

The job of a jungler is to win all 3 lanes, solo dragon at 9min, solo baron at 25mins, and win the game by headbutting the entire enemy team into the nexus. If you can't do that then you clearly just shouldn't even have the LoL client on your hard disk.

[SAI Peregrinus]

Jungler jobs IMO: Secure buffs/dragon/baron with wards/smite.
Keep the timers, EG Know when the next dragon spawn is. Know when the enemy blue/red are spawning and steal them. Know when that enemy flash is coming off CD (gank before then), when that enemy ward will drop (gank after), etc.
In the laning phase, gank lanes that either: need a winnable gank or have an easily winnable gank available.
Hold a lane while a player shops.
Keep a "big picture" view of what's happening in all lanes at all times. The jungler tends to be a good choice for the "team captain" because jungling itself is so easy and requires good game awareness.

Not the jungler's job:
Win your lane for you.
Carry the team.
Ward your lane.
Play the game for you.

[FourFiftyFour]

Jungler jobs IMO: Secure buffs/dragon/baron with wards/smite.
Keep the timers, EG Know when the next dragon spawn is. Know when the enemy blue/red are spawning and steal them. Know when that enemy flash is coming off CD (gank before then), when that enemy ward will drop (gank after), etc.
In the laning phase, gank lanes that either: need a winnable gank or have an easily winnable gank available.
Hold a lane while a player shops.
Keep a "big picture" view of what's happening in all lanes at all times. The jungler tends to be a good choice for the "team captain" because jungling itself is so easy and requires good game awareness.

Not the jungler's job:
Win your lane for you.
Carry the team.
Ward your lane.
Play the game for you.

QFT

[Roam]

Jungler jobs IMO: Secure buffs/dragon/baron with wards/smite.
Keep the timers, EG Know when the next dragon spawn is. Know when the enemy blue/red are spawning and steal them. Know when that enemy flash is coming off CD (gank before then), when that enemy ward will drop (gank after), etc.
In the laning phase, gank lanes that either: need a winnable gank or have an easily winnable gank available.
Hold a lane while a player shops.
Keep a "big picture" view of what's happening in all lanes at all times. The jungler tends to be a good choice for the "team captain" because jungling itself is so easy and requires good game awareness.

Not the jungler's job:
Win your lane for you.
Carry the team.
Ward your lane.
Play the game for you.

The things you listed here are already impossible for any human to do. It's what a jungler should aspire to do, but no one can keep all buffs/objectives and flash/ward cds in their head and spend their time so perfectly to exploit each and every one of them. :)

Which hopefully illustrates to Jindo that from a decision making/time management perspective, the jungler is the hardest role to play.

[FourFiftyFour]

Jungler jobs IMO: Secure buffs/dragon/baron with wards/smite.
Keep the timers, EG Know when the next dragon spawn is. Know when the enemy blue/red are spawning and steal them. Know when that enemy flash is coming off CD (gank before then), when that enemy ward will drop (gank after), etc.
In the laning phase, gank lanes that either: need a winnable gank or have an easily winnable gank available.
Hold a lane while a player shops.
Keep a "big picture" view of what's happening in all lanes at all times. The jungler tends to be a good choice for the "team captain" because jungling itself is so easy and requires good game awareness.

Not the jungler's job:
Win your lane for you.
Carry the team.
Ward your lane.
Play the game for you.

The things you listed here are already impossible for any human to do. It's what a jungler should aspire to do, but no one can keep all buffs/objectives and flash/ward cds in their head and spend their time so perfectly to exploit each and every one of them. :)

Which hopefully illustrates to Jindo that from a decision making/time management perspective, the jungler is the hardest role to play.

I don't keep it in my head I have countdown timers on my other screen.

2 for dragon/baron buffs and another two marking when the wards watching them die.
2 for blue/red and another two for marking when those wards die.
2 for mid/top flash timers

6 for misc use.

[david32]

Jungler jobs IMO: Secure buffs/dragon/baron with wards/smite.
Keep the timers, EG Know when the next dragon spawn is. Know when the enemy blue/red are spawning and steal them. Know when that enemy flash is coming off CD (gank before then), when that enemy ward will drop (gank after), etc.
In the laning phase, gank lanes that either: need a winnable gank or have an easily winnable gank available.
Hold a lane while a player shops.
Keep a "big picture" view of what's happening in all lanes at all times. The jungler tends to be a good choice for the "team captain" because jungling itself is so easy and requires good game awareness.

Not the jungler's job:
Win your lane for you.
Carry the team.
Ward your lane.
Play the game for you.

man i almost got trolled.

[Lilalaunebör]

So, for those complaining about elo hell:

1600 ranked game, we Irelia (me), LB, Rammus, Janna, Sivir vs team tanky bitches Udyr top, Lee, Morde, Ali, MF

Was my first Irelia game in like 4 month or so. So i go ultrasafe start cloth + 5, early trades seem to go okay. Then Rammus + LB go full derp around our blue, we lose a 3vs3 0-2, giving Udyr the edge he needs to bully me around (my lack of practice didnt help, couldnt really judge when to fight back or when to just disengage).

Goes downhill from there, everyone smacks everyone else. Enemy team gets cocky. Were down to mid inhib with no towers downed on their side, its approx 4-15 at that point.
Magically they start overxtending like mad, we save inhib with a couple of kills. I build ghetto Irelia (Ninja taibi, Wits End, Phage, Sheen, Negatron, Chainmail), its enough that i finally can jump around in teamfights (mainly on MF) without evaporating. LB finally has enough for dcap, which means that she can burst Morde to 20% every time, with us doing the rest. They go for baron, we contest succesfully. Defend some more, gank some guys that solo around in the jungle. Get next Baron, they didnt quite get the timer right, we ace them as they come for contest. Push down mid + nexus.

Much lolz were had.

[Nicho Void]

Relevant quote from old thread:


I am not playing junglers in solo queue ever again. I used to, i will just flat refuse. Taking support every time i am not 1st/2nd pick.

It came down to this for me too. I used to main junglers, but solo-queue destroyed my soul. If you're 1 or 2 pick, take your favorite carry, otherwise support.

[SAI Peregrinus]

Jungler jobs IMO: Secure buffs/dragon/baron with wards/smite.
Keep the timers, EG Know when the next dragon spawn is. Know when the enemy blue/red are spawning and steal them. Know when that enemy flash is coming off CD (gank before then), when that enemy ward will drop (gank after), etc.
In the laning phase, gank lanes that either: need a winnable gank or have an easily winnable gank available.
Hold a lane while a player shops.
Keep a "big picture" view of what's happening in all lanes at all times. The jungler tends to be a good choice for the "team captain" because jungling itself is so easy and requires good game awareness.

Not the jungler's job:
Win your lane for you.
Carry the team.
Ward your lane.
Play the game for you.

The things you listed here are already impossible for any human to do. It's what a jungler should aspire to do, but no one can keep all buffs/objectives and flash/ward cds in their head and spend their time so perfectly to exploit each and every one of them. :)

Which hopefully illustrates to Jindo that from a decision making/time management perspective, the jungler is the hardest role to play.

Jungle timer android/iphone app. Jungle timer application on a second screen/computer. Etc. It's nearly impossible without an external timer though, which to me indicates a game design problem.

[Roam]

Replay here (http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/301852/)

As requested by Vorkash, a replay. Can I ask some of the higher elo people to watch it and give me some feedback? Because I'm so tired of these games..

This one especially, one of the most frustrating games in a long time.

[Vorkash]

Relevant quote from old thread:


I am not playing junglers in solo queue ever again. I used to, i will just flat refuse. Taking support every time i am not 1st/2nd pick.

It came down to this for me too. I used to main junglers, but solo-queue destroyed my soul. If you're 1 or 2 pick, take your favorite carry, otherwise support.

That was a quote from Voulture.

[Roam]

Bump for people to please check my replay and give me feedback.

[Grarr Dexx]

your mom is a concentration camp

[Blutreiter]

If playing solo jungle is so souldestroying and the solution is to go bot, why do all the high ranked streamers almost exclusively play solo champs and lane mid, top or jungle?

Seriously, try to count the people playing support or carry.

[Nicho Void]

If playing solo jungle is so souldestroying and the solution is to go bot, why do all the high ranked streamers almost exclusively play solo champs and lane mid, top or jungle?

Seriously, try to count the people playing support or carry.


If playing solo jungle is so souldestroying and the solution is to go bot, why do all the high ranked streamers almost exclusively play solo champs and lane mid, top or jungle.

why do all the high ranked streamers almost exclusively play solo champs and lane mid, top or jungle.

high ranked
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Bump for people to please check my replay and give me feedback.
Link is dead for me. Edit: nvm, back up.

[Blutreiter]

I am pretty sure they didnt get to that Elo by doing Support is all I am saying.

[Nicho Void]

I am pretty sure they didnt get to that Elo by doing Support is all I am saying.
No, you're right. They got there by being the best junglers in the world and duo queuing with the best mids in the world.

Seriously, looking at a 2100+ ELO game and drawing conclusions to apply to 12-1800 is a complete waste of time.

[evil edna]

lost 8 straight ranked games in a row now. most of them 20 minute surrenders where the team is so bad they cant even farm. like vaynes with 60 cs in 20 mins who wonder why they do no damage.

so fucking bad

[cullnean]

swings and roundabouts the old ranked stuff, good run then bad run and the games were i suck and blow at the same time.

nbd,

[FourFiftyFour]

When I still had a computer I would only play one ranked game a night. The rest of the time I would just play normals with friends. It helped keep my sanity.

[cullnean]

Thread: LOL Psychology Ward -...
lol infracted

neg reped, some fuckers bitter

[Gaydai]

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[Voulture]

Relevant quote from old thread:


I am not playing junglers in solo queue ever again. I used to, i will just flat refuse. Taking support every time i am not 1st/2nd pick.

It came down to this for me too. I used to main junglers, but solo-queue destroyed my soul. If you're 1 or 2 pick, take your favorite carry, otherwise support.

That was a quote from Voulture.
Thanks, I still stand for that :)

[Nobody_Holme]

Bounce around (including an epic win where some random with gentleman cho carries me and roamy) just above 1K elo. Get that 20% game where can win it because I'm good enough and its close and even. Lose because team was terrible in champ select (in game too, just others were as bad) and I picked lux to relearn how to mid her after not playing her in months. Die a little inside when I realise what I did.

In other news, in this same game, enemy karma stopped her corki from feeding, and ended 1/0/11. Karma stronk.

[Irion]

lost 8 straight ranked games in a row now. most of them 20 minute surrenders where the team is so bad they cant even farm. like vaynes with 60 cs in 20 mins who wonder why they do no damage.

so fucking bad

You still play vayne?

[Vorkash]

Bump for people to please check my replay and give me feedback.

I watched it and made a bunch of notes i'll run by you when you're on online.

[Venec]

AD Kennen should have died in a fire long time ago.

[Roam]

Got about 5 pages of notes from Vorkash. Realizing I could have won that game with better decision making, and learned that you shut down singed early to make him worthless. :3

[Nobody_Holme]

Since when have people been dumb enough to alll cluster in on a 6-stack cho who's obvious bait?

Being as it was me, not complaining, but the fuck is the carry doing on top of a cho? Oh well, chalk one up to the carried team board :)

[Omega Supreme]

Got about 5 pages of notes from Vorkash. Realizing I could have won that game with better decision making, and learned that you shut down singed early to make him worthless. :3

I've found Singed players to act like they're playing Tryndamere at times. Meaning even if you shut them down early on and keep on them, they actively avoid teamfights so they can farm sidelanes. You can't keep a Singed from farming unless you actively hunt him down and constantly watch for his farming/backdooring attempts, and that'd cost you because you'd lose lane defense (naturally this doesn't matter if you have one guy that can constantly 1v1 him and get him dead + out before his team shows). On the other hand, it means teamfights are going to be 4v5 in your favor most of the time until the Singed knocks it off.


Since when have people been dumb enough to alll cluster in on a 6-stack cho who's obvious bait?

Being as it was me, not complaining, but the fuck is the carry doing on top of a cho? Oh well, chalk one up to the carried team board :)

There's something about Cho that makes the enemy team just drop all their shit and try to dogpile him. I don't know what it is, it happens with Mundo and tanks in general tbh.

[Zekk Pacus]

Well yes, that's what Singed does and what he should do. But you can put him 10-15minutes behind, which is 10-15minutes you need to be bossing his team around. Problem with Singed is without RoA he's a squishy melee pincushion who gets bossed around by anyone with a brain. With RoA and rank 5 in poison he pushes so goddamn fast.

[Omega Supreme]

Indeed, just reaffirming that you can't really stop a Singed from farming. I've seen some taking Philo though, is that normal when being pressured? I know the standard Singed is to rush that Catalyst ASAP.

[Zekk Pacus]

I personally wouldn't but it's viable. Catalyst over all on Singed though.

[cullnean]

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/21164146#history

My match history for the day, played zillian all day, was going good tbh, then check out sivir and lee sins builds, one ranked to many i think. also with the lee sin, who thinks "well i lost every game today, ill go play ranked!"

bans the cassiopea said "nah i wont ban morg, ill shit on em as cass"

morg goes 19/6 10 kills in lane or something stupid due to overaggressive cass and dumb ass lee sin.

Game was rage worthy from the first min, lee started at blue, and that just started a a chat flame that went on and on, casseopia never accepted that anything could be their fault, sivir farmed well but built trinity as a first item.

I played mostly the same game i had all day, strong pressure with bombs on the enemy AD carry and sacrificed my self using ult on sivir when wukong came calling straight after the ashe arrow.

But in the end we had nothing to answer them with and sivir/lee sin refused to surender.

brain fart done.

cass and malphite were duo que

[Zekk Pacus]

Their team, first pick Katarina. Our team, third pick picks Swain, goes mid.

Yeah, not like Swain gets countered by healing reduction or anything and has no way to cancel a channelled ultimate. Just fucking, WOW. He went 0/7 with 48cs in 20min. Yet another evening bouncing from the elo I ended at last night to the elo I started at that night. Just cannot ever see a way to get back above 1200, because the only time I win a game is when I carry hard. It's never enough to just win my lane and rely on my teammates to at least go even in theirs.

[Omega Supreme]

Elo hell is like the Friend Zone and Mafia, you're NEVER getting out.

And tbh that sounds like the average normal draft game, kinda sad to see the same sort of asshattery in normal goes on in ranked. :(

[FUzziBabes]

Elo hell is like the Friend Zone and Mafia, you're NEVER getting out.

And tbh that sounds like the average normal draft game, kinda sad to see the same sort of asshattery in normal goes on in ranked. :(

Zekk is pre 1200 elo though, saying that I had Support Garen @ 1500 elo today, I did win anyway because I lee sin carried like a boss and their Ahri in mid was retarded but still. Only wards on the map were mine so I stopped buying them...

[Roam]

Anti complaining: 25 kills and 14 assists as Annie. :D 800 ap.

[Nicho Void]

~1450 ELO:

First and last pick are duo-queue. First pick demands roaming twitch support, says last pick is solo bot ez. My team goes with it, I say my piece (basically, how have you managed to figure out breathing?) then shut up and play.

We get dominated. :noshock:

I check twitch's stats:

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19868498#stats

Over 1600 ranked games THIS season. Still 1400. :smug:

[Zekk Pacus]

Pick Kassadin. Get counterpicked by Talon. Still go 5/0. Still lose. Nbs.

Irelia dc'ed for 10mins in midgame, came back, still tried to build triforce. Their team had Nasus/Talon/Vayne/Noct and she built zero armour.

[TroN]

Pick Kassadin. Get counterpicked by Talon. Still go 5/0. Still lose. Nbs.

Irelia dc'ed for 10mins in midgame, came back, still tried to build triforce. Their team had Nasus/Talon/Vayne/Noct and she built zero armour.

But triforce is in her recommended items, she is useless without it!

[Lilalaunebör]

The ONE game where i do well with Yorik, and my botlane forgets to switch champs, end up with Ashe with no flash and support runes.
RAGE.
Game wasnt even lost by that, the real damage threat on their team was Ori. But we throw when defing vs baron buff, as Mumu decides "lol ima bandage toss into them".
MORE RAGE.

[Nicho Void]

Jax back to pub stomping. Sigh. I hate that champ so fucking much.

[Irion]

Played taric, got paired with MF, she tries to fight of a jungle invasion on her own, gets first blooded, procedes to miss all her cs and go 0/5/1. Uses the novel build path boots, pick axe -> last whisper, berzerker greaves.

1303 wins , why would you play this game so much if you suck so hard.

[cullnean]

Played taric, got paired with MF, she tries to fight of a jungle invasion on her own, gets first blooded, procedes to miss all her cs and go 0/5/1. Uses the novel build path boots, pick axe -> last whisper, berzerker greaves.

1303 wins , why would you play this game so much if you suck so hard.

because every now and again you get that golden game where every thing works and you remember why you play this game.

[cullnean]

Played taric, got paired with MF, she tries to fight of a jungle invasion on her own, gets first blooded, procedes to miss all her cs and go 0/5/1. Uses the novel build path boots, pick axe -> last whisper, berzerker greaves.

1303 wins , why would you play this game so much if you suck so hard.

because every now and again you get that golden game where every thing works and you remember why you play this game.

FUCKINGCOCKCHAOS!

[filingo]

Played taric, got paired with MF, she tries to fight of a jungle invasion on her own, gets first blooded, procedes to miss all her cs and go 0/5/1. Uses the novel build path boots, pick axe -> last whisper, berzerker greaves.

1303 wins , why would you play this game so much if you suck so hard.

because every now and again you get that golden game where every thing works and you remember why you play this game.

FUCKINGCOCKCHAOS!

cullnean, number one terrible MF euw

[Nicho Void]

On a pretty righteous losing streak now. Can't seem to get a competent team to save my life. Add to that my own subpar play when things start going wrong and can't break out of the spiral.

[Raxxman]

On a pretty righteous losing streak now. Can't seem to get a competent team to save my life. Add to that my own subpar play when things start going wrong and can't break out of the spiral.

Have a few beers, you'll still play like shit, but you'll care less.

[Kanv]

Had a game today where the gangplank on our team built a different type of boots...



They were MPen boots.

[Raxxman]

uh, ult of doom?

[El Capitano]

Well, my evening was ruined by AMD's inability to write drivers and solo tops unable to learn to back the fuck off or buy Negatrins when there's a festival fuck Vlad on the enemy team.

[Nicho Void]

Snapped my losing streak and played back up to 1470ish by taking advantage of fools who still ban Rammus over Skarner. Lobster is so strong. Flirting with the 1500 mark for the first time.

[Zekk Pacus]

I am going to get banned again, I can feel it.

Nothing sets me off more than denying a surrender when the score is 22/40 and we're 4 turrets behind.

[Nicho Void]

Nothing sets me off more than denying a surrender when the score is 22/40 and we're 4 turrets behind.
Fucking Amen. Like you fucking idiots are going to suddenly change your behavior so drastically as to overcome the hole you've dug us into.

[Omega Supreme]

Nothing sets me off more than denying a surrender when the score is 22/40 and we're 4 turrets behind.
Fucking Amen. Like you fucking idiots are going to suddenly change your behavior so drastically as to overcome the hole you've dug us into.

Agreeing. I've been in that situation way too many times and I'd say 2 out of every 10 instances will the enemy team actually fuck up and get overconfident, letting us take the win.

It's some of the most annoying shit, especially because the only reason they're refusing to do it is because 1) they're doing great so fuck you all, we're staying in this or 2) they're just trolling and they're the deciding vote.

[FUzziBabes]

They are more then likely trolling you if you decide that raging at them is the best course of action in attempting to get a surrender.

Seriously 2/10 times? All it takes is ONE good teamfight and you are back in the game, throwing in the towel instantly obviously isn't going to be a viable option to everyone...

[Omega Supreme]

They do it even without raging a fair amount of the time. Yeah I can understand when rage is thrown down they'll be more motivated to do it then but it's the non-ragey instances that irk me.

[Nobody_Holme]

So... A 20% chance of victory is surrender material. What are you, stereotyped french people?

When you're down all three inhibs towers and have no tower kills, and the score is more like 4/30, that's what surrendering is for.

I've actually come back from there, albeit in a game while leveling, thanks to a massive server derp, where we had me (all 4 kills) and one other guy online, and the other team had 1, but the odds are low enough that its reasonable.

[Zekk Pacus]

Thing is, when a game is (for example, using a game from last night) 22/40 score and 5 towers down, chances are the following are also true:

1) You're three or four dragons behind.
2) Your jungle is not a safe place and you have no buff control.
3) Someone on their team is incredibly fed (11/1 Olaf 20mins sup).

When all these conditions are met, if the game continues going the way it has been going, you lose. There is literally no way for your team to come back even if you do everything right - their team just has enough of a gold advantages that differences in average skill levels are erased by the disparity in items.

So when you deny that surrender because 'WE CAN STILL WIN THIS', what you are saying is 'I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE MORE MISTAKES THAN US'. Now occasionally that's true - had a Riven game yesterday where their Viktor was 16/3 but their team insisted on fighting without him twice in a row. That's a mistake and that handed us the game. What wins the game is a combination of one team making mistakes and the other team being smart enough to take advantage of those mistakes. It might well be true that their team is about to start making tons of mistakes, but if that was the case, surely they'd already have made them and you'd already be in a better position?

I have denied surrenders before that I thought were premature, and occasionally been proven right. I've occasionally been proven wrong too, in both ways. But if you run the numbers in your head and there's more than about a 1500 gold average difference between the players on your team and the players on their team, then they have a massive advantage. It's just not worth waiting another 20/30minutes for them to bother applying that advantage, just work out what you personally did wrong that game, click the 'yes' button, type 'gg' and go apply what you learnt in the next game.

[dynamical]

This is the most retarded game ive ever had i think:
http://1bi.us/ec7
both ashe and veigar had 800+wins, clearly trolling. :wtf:
also, first time playing vlad. seems cool, just not the best game to judge by.

[Grarr Dexx]

Fuck this game. I went 10/0/7 as fucking renekton and my whole team just falls apart around me.

[cullnean]

Fuck this game. I went 10/0/7 as fucking renekton and my whole team just falls apart around me.

was a bad game, i was terrible, but i think your score is misleading somewhat

[Nicho Void]

I hate Jannas on my team in 1300-1400 elo.

That is all.

[El Capitano]

Played with a guy who was first pick, banned some very strange characters and then locked in jungle Ez. The rest of us epic facepalmed and tried to pick a reasonable team comp. Ez went on to gank like a boss and helped carry our team to victory. Many apologies were owed to that guy at the end of the game!

[Nicho Void]

Oh God I can't win a ranked game. Win lane, lose game. 1490 -> 1295. Fuuuuuuuuu

[Voulture]

I agree rankeds pretty hirrible lately, had three 4v5 in last 10 games, hopefully managed to win one of them. Had two games with last pick trolling, picking support corki and support mundo. Once that happen to both team in the same time, so we got support ezreal >.> Acquired 30 elo during those, made me happy.

[Nicho Void]

I agree rankeds pretty hirrible lately, had three 4v5 in last 10 games, hopefully managed to win one of them. Had two games with last pick trolling, picking support corki and support mundo. Once that happen to both team in the same time, so we got support ezreal >.> Acquired 30 elo during those, made me happy.
It really is crazy right now. I don't need to describe the madness, we've all experienced it. Did some major event just happen that has all the scrubs trying ranked again?

Edit: Reason for the quote: nice gaining ELO in the shitstorm. Solid play.

[Zekk Pacus]

Wukong, 565 ranked wins this season alone, 0/7/3 in 20mins. He was playing Jungle Wukong which I have actually seen work really well recently, asked him to gank mid at level 5 before Ahri gets level 6, and he's level 3. Ahri allowed to play agressive as fuck in mid with zero punishment, and we lose game hard. Instalock Renekton qqs about getting counterpicked by Vlad, loses lane hard.

Just another day in low elo.

[Grarr Dexx]

How does Renekton lose against Vladimir?

[Zekk Pacus]

Easily, he's melee. Just kite him all day long.

[Nicho Void]

Easily, he's melee. Just kite him all day long.
I actually have had a terrible time against good Rens. Anytime I come in to farm, he double dash stuns and harasses. Does more damage than Vlad's Q harass, so it's impossible to stay ahead.

*Disclaimer: I'm a bad vlad.

[Grarr Dexx]

Easily, he's melee. Just kite him all day long.

Kite... Renekton?

[cullnean]

Easily, he's melee. Just kite him all day long.

Kite... Renekton?

grarr v zekk 1v1 mid record for us!

[Zekk Pacus]

Easily, he's melee. Just kite him all day long.

Kite... Renekton?

Yeah? Sure he has a dash, doesn't matter. Early levels can be a bit hit and miss but once Vlad has a few levels in Q and a revolver you outsustain, outpush, and punish him really hard any time he comes in for CS. I can 1v1 you if you like.

[cullnean]

Easily, he's melee. Just kite him all day long.

Kite... Renekton?

Yeah? Sure he has a dash, doesn't matter. Early levels can be a bit hit and miss but once Vlad has a few levels in Q and a revolver you outsustain, outpush, and punish him really hard any time he comes in for CS. I can 1v1 you if you like.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

ILL record if i can spectate

[TroN]

So many badasses in this thread

[FUzziBabes]

Ignoring any outside factors and assuming both renekton + vlad are of the same skill level:

After level 9 vlad can free farm and free harrass renekton, if rene has let vlad get to this point then vlad will have Wota by now and maybe Sorcs at a push, vlad can now just perma harrass rene.
Vlad is ranged, even without Q vlad can auto attack rene any time he comes in for CS, if rene burns his double dash to get to vlad, vlad can simply pool use the slow on rene and then auto/Q/E rene as rene realises it was a huge mistake as his E now has a 10 second cooldown or something can't remember how long it is.
If it goes wrong for vlad and he gets stunned when the stun is over he can E Q and then pool away, after that he can last hit with Q to get his health back up.

Vlad imo shouldn't lose to rene unless vlad is making some bad decisions

from my experience anyways

edit: just looked up rene's E cooldowns: 18 / 17 / 16 / 15 / 14, no one max's E by lvl 9 infact I seriously doubt anyone even ranks it past rank one, vlad's Q is up twice as much as rene's E so yeah rene should get absolutely raped

[Voulture]

Easy matchup for vlad. Cltoh 5 pot and outsustain him like a boss. Just do not stand between creeps so he have to choose whether to get cs or harass you. You can do both at the same time, he can't.

[cullnean]

So many badasses in this thread

1v1?

[Grarr Dexx]

Cloth 5 vlad? Can it be a 2v2 with top + jungle?

haha

[Zekk Pacus]

You don't even need cloth + 5, it can be nice but it's by no means essential. Boots + 3 is enough.

[Nicho Void]

He makes a good point with the jungle though. If you get behind a kill to Ren, you're in trouble.

[Voulture]

I just said what i would do. Boots 3 pots might be good as well, depends on your playstyle. Rene pushes anyway or he eats all the harass. Rene is the one to be careful of ganks. I am always happy to do 1v1 mid or top lane if you want to try out some combinations, i love playing 1v1 as i can actually check for my mistakes not giving a fuck about game outcome.

[Vorkash]

edit: just looked up rene's E cooldowns: 18 / 17 / 16 / 15 / 14, no one max's E by lvl 9 infact I seriously doubt anyone even ranks it past rank one, vlad's Q is up twice as much as rene's E so yeah rene should get absolutely raped

You max E second.

[FUzziBabes]

edit: just looked up rene's E cooldowns: 18 / 17 / 16 / 15 / 14, no one max's E by lvl 9 infact I seriously doubt anyone even ranks it past rank one, vlad's Q is up twice as much as rene's E so yeah rene should get absolutely raped

You max E second.

Shows how long its been since I played Renekton!

But still standing by my theory, vlad will shit all over rene

[evil edna]

yup, played one game and remembered why i had stopped. just the matchmaking and playerbase are so bad it just isnt fun

[cullnean]

yup, played one game and remembered why i had stopped. just the matchmaking and playerbase are so bad it just isnt fun

making the move to dota after the holiday, sperging kids ruined the games today.

a kog who flamed every one straight from team select and provied to feed, then a lux who just kept running straight up mid lane after feeding in bot lane

im not saying there isnt this shit in dota, but fuck it get in on the ground floor and learn the game before mass release

[El Capitano]

Why the fuck do people choose support karma? She's so useless!

[Grarr Dexx]

edit: just looked up rene's E cooldowns: 18 / 17 / 16 / 15 / 14, no one max's E by lvl 9 infact I seriously doubt anyone even ranks it past rank one, vlad's Q is up twice as much as rene's E so yeah rene should get absolutely raped

You max E second.

Shows how long its been since I played Renekton!

But still standing by my theory, vlad will shit all over rene

Start W, then R>Q>E>W.

[Venec]

During holidays normals are... painful. From 20 games I've only won 5 or 6. Sperging kiddies in every team I had.

[cullnean]

yup, played one game and remembered why i had stopped. just the matchmaking and playerbase are so bad it just isnt fun

making the move to dota after the holiday, sperging kids ruined the games today.

a kog who flamed every one straight from team select and provied to feed, then a lux who just kept running straight up mid lane after feeding in bot lane

im not saying there isnt this shit in dota, but fuck it get in on the ground floor and learn the game before mass release


During holidays normals are... painful. From 20 games I've only won 5 or 6. Sperging kiddies in every team I had.

qouting myself and you, may not jump ship just yet, just wait out the holidays

[Omega Supreme]

Wow. You EU players really do have it worse than NA. :|

[Voulture]

I don't complain. Normals were good although servers laggy. Also rankeds has been awesome lately, i mean, i played like 6 games today, not a single dc, not a single flamer or rager on BOTH TEAMS. All day long. Really. I was actually happy to play today.

[Nicho Void]

I don't complain. Normals were good although servers laggy. Also rankeds has been awesome lately, i mean, i played like 6 games today, not a single dc, not a single flamer or rager on BOTH TEAMS. All day long. Really. I was actually happy to play today.
It's days like this that keep my playing.

[Grarr Dexx]

Had a horribly laggy game earlier, beat my lane terribly then it started lagging in the most dangerous and awkward situations but we somehow still pulled through.

[cullnean]

Wow. You EU players really do have it worse than NA. :|

Dunno, possible that due to player numbers it's easier to spot the drop in quality when holidays come round over here, last week was painful

[Zekk Pacus]

26/46 against, I somehow manage to drag my team back into it. We get a baron, and three towers. We back, all is good.

BUT THEN THEY FUCK OFF TO FARM JUNGLE. WHY. WHY WHY WHY. EVERY FUCKING GAME I get some idiot who thinks that the goal of the game is to farm jungle. So me and the 6/18 Twitch are trying to push mid, but everyone else is fucking about with jungle. We get picked, game ends.

[Omega Supreme]

Not really a rage story but more of a "Teehee" story. Went top, made a Jax ragequit because he couldn't kill me 1v1.

I was Poppy. Didn't even get MR (if I remember right, would need to check my history) but had 101 armor at 3. He just couldn't do anything.

[SAI Peregrinus]

http://1bi.us/f0p

How the everloving fuck did we win.
Our renekton went 0/7/0 in the first 10 minutes. I derped a counterjungle and got caught by the riven (got their skarner, but riven got the blue, and was already fed from renek). We proceded to do all we could to feed our morde up. 20 minutes came around and no one really felt like surrendering for some reason. (it was 6/14 or so) renek managed to push the top 2 turrets in while we were losing teamfights (lost 1 mid and 1 bot turret). We saw 2 of them bot, got all 5 of us and pushed top. Killed the 3 defenders (lost 2), and proceeded to push inhib and both nexus turrets. Their 2 pushed in bot inhib and 1 nexus turret, then recalled to stop us winning. We ran (respawns) and lost baron to them. Managed to defend, and eventually pulled a win out of our bums. Yi + Ult + Ghostblade + GA can kill a nexus rather well. Didn't backdoor, but the implied threat of it is probably what made them defensive enough for us to win.
That said, I derped a lot. Died every teamfight, twice for several of them. That said, I blame our win on the AD Kennen.

[Raxxman]

I blame our win on the AD Kennen.

Not that is a coaching thread or anything, but this + everyone built ganky with no real tank is why you won.

AD Kennen works if you're going to split push like a boss else it's kinda crap.

[Lilalaunebör]

I think atm im a bit over LoL... normals are mostly full herp derp because fuck you ill lock in whatever, rankeds feel like work.

Ill still be up for failmades, but other than that i think ill play some ME1 / Fallout 3, both sitting on my hd untouched.

[Omega Supreme]

I think atm im a bit over LoL... normals are mostly full herp derp because fuck you ill lock in whatever, rankeds feel like work.

Ill still be up for failmades, but other than that i think ill play some ME1 / Fallout 3, both sitting on my hd untouched.

I know the feeling, been playing STO and Tropico 4 cause of those very reasons + my connection decided it didn't like me playing League for a while so. Find LoL is much more enjoyable when you aren't playing 10+ games a day.

[Valtis]

http://i.imgur.com/dVCq7.jpg

Morgana was last pick, he announced he would be mid or troll after we already had AP Kog'Maw. Both head to mid after game starts, but Kog'Maw gets pissed and starts feeding. Morgana gets pissed at Kog and tries to solo baron twice. Somehow we manage not only to ace the other team at one point but to actually win.

[Kanv]

pregame lobby: warn team that i'm learnign trynd
team OKs it
One guy wants teemo, who someone was camping
other player gives it to him
doesn't want that teemo anyway, locks rammus

Ingame laned with teemo, make a play, lose (1st death each)
rammus: don't feed

team gets worse, losing by a large margin
rammus insults everyone and tries to surrender
continuously vote no as a troll
team pulls shit together 20 kills down
wins team fight 4-1, push inhibs
win game

WAT

[Voulture]

So here i was:

http://i.imgur.com/vNHJs.jpg

Then this twice:

http://i.imgur.com/KXD7o.jpg

[Omega Supreme]

God damn, man. In 1700 range no less, that's depressing as fuck to hear. It may be naive, but I honestly would've thought the ranked trolls were in the <1200 brackets. :?

[Voulture]

It much less likely to happen. It happens and it will always happen but 90% of games are good, teams are balanced and kinda politeish and overall experience is pretty good. Just, kinda suck to get this twice in a row :)

[Omega Supreme]

How is Karthus in ranked, btw? I always figured with the predominant amount of heal (either summoner or Soraka)/shield (Janna, Lulu) lanes, that Karthus nailing running carries wasn't happening much.

[Voulture]

Amazingly strong if played well. Can outfarm most ap carries and his teamfight presence is just sick. Defile is a bit broken and wall is one of most underrated abilities. Oh and you don't last hit with ult, you just ult when gank is happening or fight to help the odds. You should be getting assists from that not kills tbh.

[El Capitano]

I once saved 3 members of my team by grabbing Karthus with a Skarner ult just as he was about to complete Requiem. There was much "lol" and "wtf?!" in chat after :D

[Lilalaunebör]

I once saved 3 members of my team by grabbing Karthus with a Skarner ult just as he was about to complete Requiem. There was much "lol" and "wtf?!" in chat after :D

Well yeah, thats why you usually either ult when you see a fight breaking out elsewhere to give your team the edge it needs, or after you died and cant be interrupted any more.
As Voult said, ulting only to lasthit for kills is a terrible waste.

In other news, really enjoyed Jax in the last few games i did. Both arpen and mpen masteries 21/0/9, ad reds armor yellow/quint scaling mr blue. Start with cloth + 5, first point in E. Second one in Q and youre almost ungankable (unless youre super greedy, like me) thanks to 2 secs AA immunity + aoe stun + leap to friendly creeps.
3rd point in W then max R > Q > E <> W.
Im taking Q over W due to the dual scaling on Q.

Build Wriggles, Rageblade, Triforce, Revolver, GA, finish gunblade last. Boots situational but either mercs or ninja. Alternative items are Hexdrinker + upgrade, phage into Mallet + Atmas instead of Tri, Cutlass instead of Wriggles.

Im still experimenting around with the build, i guess an all out AP rush Gunblade, Sheen, Dcap, Lichbane, Rageblade could wreck some shit up, too.
Need to try around a bit more.

e: also also, AD top Fizz with Tri + x wrecks some shit up vs the usual heavy sustain fotm, again works best if youre not gung-ho like me :P

[Omega Supreme]

I once saved 3 members of my team by grabbing Karthus with a Skarner ult just as he was about to complete Requiem. There was much "lol" and "wtf?!" in chat after :D

Well yeah, thats why you usually either ult when you see a fight breaking out elsewhere to give your team the edge it needs, or after you died and cant be interrupted any more.
As Voult said, ulting only to lasthit for kills is a terrible waste.


While I don't disagree with that (I myself do prefer assists over kills for the reasons outlined by Voult) idea, I've had plenty of teams that told me to pop the ult because they couldn't finish the gank and/or I was busy doing something else. Often I've found the "Karthus, ult!" requests are when I'm pushing a lane or keeping them from pushing it on me and the aforementioned gank fails are happening.

[Kanv]

Today I learned 2 situations which are actually KSing
1) When the enemy is out of range of your teammates
2) When your teammate is dead after chasing them

Same game, different players
I was Lux

[Raxxman]

Today I learned 2 situations which are actually KSing
1) When the enemy is out of range of your teammates
2) When your teammate is dead after chasing them

Same game, different players
I was Lux

3) when you do 80% of the damage to the target
4) when your team mate is loosing the fight so you intervene to save him
5) when you leave the AP mid the kill, but they fluff the skill shot so you have to either kill them or let them live.

Yeaaaah.

[SAI Peregrinus]

Today I learned 2 situations which are actually KSing
1) When the enemy is out of range of your teammates
2) When your teammate is dead after chasing them

Same game, different players
I was Lux

3) when you do 80% of the damage to the target
4) when your team mate is loosing the fight so you intervene to save him
5) when you leave the AP mid the kill, but they fluff the skill shot so you have to either kill them or let them live.

Yeaaaah.

6) Getting any kills. Note that not getting kills makes one a "n00b" and a terr^H^H^H^Hbad player.

[Voulture]

Fuck this, my carry died too many times while i played support and left them to fonish the job. I no longer care, i will try everything to settle a kill, if i happen to be last hitting, cool, that's more wards or faster shur for a team. So many times wild janna apreaed with flash hsield ult or soraka's ult or missclick by one of players i am not missing any chances. If someone cry about that i just say "sorry wanted him dead really hard" and that usually kill the whine.

[Omega Supreme]

In the past I'd tell them to go back to CoD if they want to be KDR whores.

[Nicho Void]

Fuck this, my carry died too many times while i played support and left them to fonish the job. I no longer care, i will try everything to settle a kill, if i happen to be last hitting, cool, that's more wards or faster shur for a team. So many times wild janna apreaed with flash hsield ult or soraka's ult or missclick by one of players i am not missing any chances. If someone cry about that i just say "sorry wanted him dead really hard" and that usually kill the whine.
I simply type "Kill Secured" and all is well.

[Jeeves]

I just ignore them, if you're gonna bitch about KS and you're not on top of them at the time then fuck you.

[Zekk Pacus]

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/20818732#history

Remember kids there is no such thing as elo hell and you can always carry a game!

(Yeah seriously fuck this game. I'd be so much happier if I could ever honestly hold my hands up and say 'Yeah I lost my lane I deserved to lose'. But I can't. I can point to mistakes I made but for every mistake I make, someone on my team will make ten.)

[evil edna]

no deathcap thats your problem

[Jeeves]

Funny how when anyone loses it's always the teams fault and they're bossing, the way I hear it there's no players at such a low level for elo hell to exist everyone's 2k+.

[Zekk Pacus]

I have the replays of those games, you're more than welcome to watch them and tell me where I went wrong. I'll happily take advice on the subject.

I'm not perfect and I'm not suggesting i'm 2k+ elo, I'm just going through a run of bad games. You will note the only two ranked games where I won I went 10/0 or above - that's basically what I have to do to get a win at the moment. Like the MF game (most recent one), I beat Ashe in lane despite having support Galio who bought no boots and didn't ward tribrush (we're purple and they have Rammus, not like he's gonna come powerballing out of tribrush and go for the guy with no boots rite). Came out of lane 5/0. Ended game 8/2. We have a Warwick, Olaf and Galio in our team who all wait for our Lux to hit a snare before going in to teamfights. We have no init, WW and Olaf play like assassins waiting for someone else to start the teamfight and Galio has no farm (because support Galio's bad) so dies too quickly to be really effective. Lux meanwhile couldn't hit a snare on a stationary target, not helped by the fact that 1) he has clarity instead of a useful spell) and 2) he played Lux against Ahri so got massively underfarmed.

That's basically every game for me at the moment. As I said, I have replays of most if not all those games, I'll quite happily upload them.

[evil edna]

i dont need replays to tell that youre bad

[Zekk Pacus]

Why don't you go and lose to Karthus about it.

[Raxxman]

Funny how when anyone loses it's always the teams fault and they're bossing, the way I hear it there's no players at such a low level for elo hell to exist everyone's 2k+.

This is the complain thread.

People don't generally come into it to say

'LoL I played like shit fed 0/6/0 and got carried by Naked Jungle WW going 20/0/1'

Because it's not really a complaint.

[TroN]

I just got raped by Veigar as Ahri mid. I was doing fine, out csing him and zoning him and then he hit 6

Stun, Dark Matter, Q, Ult dead

This repeated every time I went near him, despite buying early MR and hp (double doran, cloak and giants belt).

How can I beat him?

[Raxxman]

dodge the stun?

[TroN]

Easier said than done. It is very long range and if the Veigar is good then he hits you with the edge each time

[Lilalaunebör]

Easier said than done. It is very long range and if the Veigar is good then he hits you with the edge each time

The only chance youve p much got is:

always be 100% hp (pots)

QSS (!)

The stun cant proc more than once on you (afaik), and if you dodge dark matter thats about 1/3 to 1/4th of his damage combo. So, boots + pots -> double dorans or catalyst -> QSS -> Rylais or RoA.

[Voulture]

This might have happenes because veigar is best ahri counter. Good stun make you useless for a duration, fortunately you don't need much ap to still own, abysall + qss after boots/dorans, follow into rylai. SHould be fine.

[TroN]

I think not getting qss was my biggest mistake but I feel a bit better knowing he is a good counter to Ahri and it isn't just all me being shit at mid

[Nicho Void]

Stop supporting Ashe with Janna. Fucking stop it.

[Omega Supreme]

Stop supporting Ashe with Janna. Fucking stop it.

Sadly it's something that's gonna keep on happening because while Ashe is meant to be an easy carry to play (I would imagine a lot of people playing atm bought her as their first champ), people most of the time don't realize how incredibly dependent on her team she is.

[Nicho Void]

Stop supporting Ashe with Janna. Fucking stop it.

Sadly it's something that's gonna keep on happening because while Ashe is meant to be an easy carry to play (I would imagine a lot of people playing atm bought her as their first champ), people most of the time don't realize how incredibly dependent on her team she is.
I don't understand why people in my ELO insist upon playing Janna. I understand all the streamers and tourneys play her, but what these scrubs don't seem to get is that top players MAIN SUPPORT. You don't just pick up Janna on a whim and support better than a Soraka/Taric/Sona/Ali. You saw them pick Alistar and Graves, you see that I have Ashe. Why in the blue fuck would you pick a support that doesn't sustain me? Oh, you shielded me while I farm, then ran in to tornado and got caught? You're right. That's totally my fault. What's that? I should be harassing more when I'm at half health and they're full from their sustain combo? Tell me more.

[Voulture]

Why hating on janna, she suites every ad. She suits every lineup. You can do 3 mistakes with her and still got 4th escape. Bittch is just op ;]

[cullnean]

Play trist ignore retard support

[evil edna]

janna is the best support. if you cant win the lane with janna then youre shit at ad, sorry dude, thats the truth

[Zekk Pacus]

Edna trolling as per :P

If it's a GOOD Janna, you should win the lane - the lack of a heal is nothing compared to how much sustain she brings through shield and how much harrass she can negate through nado and slow. But a lot of Jannas are absolute trash and she's a much higher skillcap support than Soraka or Taric, for example. Ashe/Janna is really good, by the way - but again it hinges on the Janna being any good.

[cullnean]

Edna trolling as per :P

If it's a GOOD Janna, you should win the lane - the lack of a heal is nothing compared to how much sustain she brings through shield and how much harrass she can negate through nado and slow. But a lot of Jannas are absolute trash and she's a much higher skillcap support than Soraka or Taric, for example. Ashe/Janna is really good, by the way - but again it hinges on the Janna being any good.

Also the carry not going full "support me Lol balls derp full retard" which I see a fair amount

[Omega Supreme]

Edna trolling as per :P

If it's a GOOD Janna, you should win the lane - the lack of a heal is nothing compared to how much sustain she brings through shield and how much harrass she can negate through nado and slow. But a lot of Jannas are absolute trash and she's a much higher skillcap support than Soraka or Taric, for example. Ashe/Janna is really good, by the way - but again it hinges on the Janna being any good.

Also the carry not going full "support me Lol balls derp full retard" which I see a fair amount

Bear in mind a lot of carries play this way. Player-wise, not skill-wise.

Guilty as charged tbh, I get overconfident often.

[Voulture]

Wow, wow, guys are you suggesting that both players in bottom lane influence how the lane goes? :derper:

[cullnean]

Wow, wow, guys are you suggesting that both players in bottom lane influence how the lane goes? :derper:
Nah support plYer enjoying carry whines

[Nicho Void]

Wow, wow, guys are you suggesting that both players in bottom lane influence how the lane goes? :derper:
No way bro. ELO hell doesn't exist. Just carry harder scrub.

[Nobody_Holme]

My dear god, I hate movespeed quints.

Went boots+r against a wukong as voli. Had to Q or he could without boots run along while hitting me ebery auto timer. With Q on away from him, he could keep up with no attacks.

Went 0/7 thanks to terrible jungler. Ended 3/8/23 or something ridiculous as superfed vayne went full facerape and I spent my entire time flipping wukong off her, slowing him, and watching him die.

Won match, but holy fuck, worst early game of my life. (Beating being sona 1V2 against trist/morg because the carry and support should be top, and cait was damnned if she'd listen to us and play the meta.

[TroN]

Went 0/7 thanks to terrible jungler.

I wasn't in the game, but going 0/7 is not your junglers fault.

[cullnean]

Ha

This again

[SAI Peregrinus]

http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=4959


Your job in a standard team composition is to sit top and farm all day long, then appear at the 25 minute mark and win the game with your overwhelming CS. You should NOT die to ganks. You should NOT be pushing for your tower. You should NOT be taking excessive harass from your lane opponent. You should last hit every creep, be able to turn on the aggression when the situation warrants it, but never overextend to get yourself killed or forced to back and heal.

Junglers expect top lane to ward itself, since you'll be farming so hard. If you ask nicely, they'll drop their Wriggle's ward or a spare Sight Ward for you, but if you're expecting them to ward for you, you're gonna piss off your jungler. If you fail to ward and feed the other jungler a kill, you're gonna piss off your jungler. If you go back every minute and expect your jungler to hold the lane when you're a champion who can sit and farm safely, you're gonna piss off your jungler.

If you piss off your jungler, your jungler need not gank for you or assist you in holding your lane. If you piss off your jungler and they opt to not assist you in your lane, you forfeit your right to complain in all chat about how your jungler hasn't been up top in 10 minutes. This is not an accident: it is intentional.

Top lane should be the most self-reliant of the lanes in the current metagame. This also is not an accident! When the jungler comes to help you in top lane, they sacrifice most of the control they have over dragon. Remember when we went over jungler priorities earlier? The jungler is forsaking a high priority action (#2) to perform a lower priority action (#3). Oftentimes this is worth it if your top lane is exposed and the kill is all but assured (even forcing a Flash is often a "win" in this situation), but if the enemy team's mid, duo bot, and jungler crash in on dragon while your jungler is ganking with you at top, there's nothing your team can do to stop dragon going down.

The flip side of this coin, junglers and laners, is to CRASH IN ON DRAGON IF THE ENEMY JUNGLER IS GANKING TOP! Dragon is worth 3 kills, so even if the top gank is successful, if you get dragon out of it your team is at an advantage!

Top laners should not expect to see their jungler more than once or twice per game during the laning phase. Top lane is too far from Dragon to exert any control, and the enemy champions are generally durable enough to survive a gank attempt. Additionally, top lane champions tend to be beefy enough to be able to hold their own indefinitely except in extreme circumstances. Do your thing, and let your jungler crush other lanes.

Top lane is simply not the jungler's priority. Ganking top lets the enemy team take dragon. So unless Dragon is secure or otherwise not going to be taken, the Jungler has bigger priorities. Learn to freeze your lane just outside tower range. This will vastly reduce harass. Don't overextend. Keep wards up. If their jungler ganks, tell your team to take dragon. The more you die without getting a kill the less gold you are worth, but many players will see you as an "easy" kill. Use this to bait their jungler top to let your team get dragon (3 kills for less than 1 WRT gold). Build tankier than you normally would, so that when they try to kill "the feeder" first it takes too long.

[TroN]

Lost two games that was mainly due to me. Feels bad man.

[SAI Peregrinus]

Lost two games that was mainly due to me. Feels bad man.

It's good that you can recognize when its your fault though. I like to go over my games in lolreplay to figure out where I screwed up. I've never played a perfect game, so I know there's room to improve.

[LoKiPP]

Stop supporting Ashe with Janna. Fucking stop it.

This is terrible advice and you all should ignore it.

[Nicho Void]

Stop supporting Ashe with Janna. Fucking stop it.

This is terrible advice and you all should ignore it.
Nope. Unless you main Janna, don't fucking do it.

[Nobody_Holme]

Stop supporting Ashe with Janna. Fucking stop it.

This is terrible advice and you all should ignore it.
Nope. Unless you main Janna, don't fucking do it.

You're plain wrong. Against vayne, for example, ashe NEEDS something like janna (blitz and ali can work, mebbe naut) to keep her alive until the higher elos. There, she may still need it against some vayne lanes.

Ashe/janna against cait/soraka, sure, you're dumb and need to stop it, but its situationally brilliant even when you're merely an okay janna.

[Omega Supreme]

Stop supporting Ashe with Janna. Fucking stop it.

This is terrible advice and you all should ignore it.
Nope. Unless you main Janna, don't fucking do it.

You're plain wrong. Against vayne, for example, ashe NEEDS something like janna (blitz and ali can work, mebbe naut) to keep her alive until the higher elos. There, she may still need it against some vayne lanes.

Ashe/janna against cait/soraka, sure, you're dumb and need to stop it, but its situationally brilliant even when you're merely an okay janna.

Which brings up an interesting question: Which support counterpicks which?

[Nicho Void]

Stop supporting Ashe with Janna. Fucking stop it.

This is terrible advice and you all should ignore it.
Nope. Unless you main Janna, don't fucking do it.
You're plain wrong. Against vayne, for example, ashe NEEDS something like janna (blitz and ali can work, mebbe naut) to keep her alive until the higher elos.
That makes absolutely no sense. As we've already established, Janna's strength is her teamfight utility in later game. You give up sustain in lane for that utility. Claiming that Ashe NEEDS someone to keep her alive early against, say, a Vayne is exactly my point. Janna doesn't provide this.

I main Ashe. The point I'm trying to impress upon you people is that Ashe cannot go toe to toe with most AD carries. They all out burst her, so trading in lane is almost never a winning proposition. Ashe is about poking constantly, maybe taking an auto attack in retaliation, then stepping back and getting healed back up so she can do it again and again until the other ad makes a mistake and tries to run. THEN it's about slowing and killing. But if you have no sustain in lane, you're just going to get pushed back to your tower and zoned. I want you to think about the average player base and then honestly tell me Janna is better for that type of situation than Taric/Ali.

Or, you could look at the statistics:

http://www.lolking.net/charts

[Zekk Pacus]

Yeah, Ashe can't go toe to toe with most AD carries, she takes more damage than she gives out most of the time. If only her support had some kind of damage mitigation spell that also gave her free damage, gee I wonder which support gives that...

[Voulture]

No idea about what level of games are you speaking, it might be true, it is not in my ranked games.

To establish a point: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/19279773

I started playing Ashe and Janna above 1600 range, i am at 82% Ashe wins in ranked. Her strength is not poking in lane. He got no strength in lane. Her whole kit is about farming for first 10 lvls maybe securing a kill when your jungler came with a good arrow. Maybe, but don't count on that. She needs zero sustain, she will be pushed into tower anyway - this is how laning in lol works, you cannot get zoned unless you do dumb thing like not letting enemy creeps push. Just stay under tower and keep farming. Will you be behind enemy ad carry? Sure. Does it matter? No because you win games with Arrows and your probably second best lategame autoattacks out of all ad carries. This is basic. More advance is good poke with W and good autos. She trade better than most ad carries as she got sick range on that W. Does she need a healer in lane? Nope, ou shouldn't let enemy harass you anyway. Janna on the other hand with her timed shield for poke or trade is godlike. One shield and your trade deals 100 dmg more at lvl 3. She also gives you speed you need from passive and got best kit to protect you lategame. Ashe + Janna lane is SICK. No way alistar or taric, which are offensive supports can give you as much - they should be paired with burst carries that can get a kill in lane. Tristana. Graves. Vayne. Kogmaw.

I found 3 recent games in that combo that i played in rankeds recently:
http://www.leagueofstats.com/matches/euw/354341711
http://www.leagueofstats.com/matches/euw/354293836
http://www.leagueofstats.com/matches/euw/353736901

Janna Ashe is very strong if both players know how to work that combo out. I am not saying it will work in most games, if only you could provde same bottom lane synergies but for, let say 1300+ rankeds i am pretty sure the numbers would be quite opposite.

[Nicho Void]

Edit: You know what, nevermind, it doesn't matter.

[evil edna]

because shit carry players need a heal to cover their bad positing, and most players are shit at carry

[Voulture]

I guess it was a question about heal on carry as a second spell? Your ultimate goal is to survive to deal dmg. Not to mention all baits possibles. This is additional 400 hps in teamfight, it's equivalent of like 1000g? Heal is atm too good to pass on it while you still can have exhaust on support as cv become a bit obsolete. As for Ashe ghost is just as good, she is a kiter and she sometimes could really use it. Double exhaust is always good if you can chain it. Just heal on avarage is never a bad choice, obviously it's all down to preference. There are no "only choices" in games against other real people. You just never know :P

To clarify, this above rule apply to every aspect of this game. To what i wrote previously as well - this is just my own impression from games i have played recently. Obviously i might be just as wrong. Maybe for different situations it is completely opposite. Mayve at higher and lwoer elo this is wrong. It's just how i see this.

[Zekk Pacus]

I'm with Voult on this subject, though I will throw in that a bad or indifferent Janna player is horrible. But then playing Janna for a bad carry is horrible, way worse than playing any other support for that same carry. Janna has the most multipliers based on player skill in the game imo.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/20818732#history

hey look at me kids! Gone from a high of 1395 down to 1030, I literally cannot BUY a win. That last Ashe game, my support was 2/8 in 20mins, which is all my fault obviously. When their Graves/Ali was level 6, she decided to towerdive at level 4. It's my fault she died of course. Even through all that pulled it back and we had a chance to win, their Pantheon was trolling and their Alistar/GP were deadweight...then Lee Sin decides to go 1v1 Graves (16k gold Graves) at 45mins. He dies, they get a chance to push on the two lanes with no towers, we lose.

After game? REPORT ASHI 0 DMG 0 HELP TEAM NOOOOOOOOOOB (Lee Sin and Lulu).

[cullnean]

Stop Ashe play trist scrubs

Toobusy playing supportin dota now

[evil edna]

just play dota instead, i will teach you the ways of crithunter and building bloodstone on everyone

[Zekk Pacus]

I guess I could, I mean the FHC dota community is so warm, fuzzy and welcoming...

I'd be up for some more Dota, actually. I'll get good at it one day.

[david32]

Tron trolls to hard. That is all

[TroN]

Ebenn is that you?

[Raxxman]

Tron trolls to hard. That is all

Ryze without ward overextended like a mofo?

Why would I gank that shit over and over?

scumbag TroN ;)

[TroN]

What game are we talking about? I don't remember this.

[El Capitano]

So last night, I was AD carry, ended up with Veigar as "support" who stole all my farm and then bitched when I died and had no damage. Then I played with a support Poppy (heh) who fucked off at level 2 and roamed all game, initiating while the team spammed fall back pings. I was zoned and underfed, Poppy was level 12 when we were 18 and generally threw the game. fml

[Raxxman]

All those games ignoring me blend into one huh?

It was one were I was riven vs ryze and you were shac-ho, but like Ryze just pushed me to turret and sat their on 1/3 health the whole fucking laning phase. I had to hardcore rage at you to get you over to botty sex him, you did it once, Ryze went back to 1/3 health on my turret and you fail ganked bot 3 times before coming for the free kill again.

[Kanv]

All those games ignoring me blend into one huh?

It was one were I was riven vs ryze and you were shac-ho, but like Ryze just pushed me to turret and sat their on 1/3 health the whole fucking laning phase. I had to hardcore rage at you to get you over to botty sex him, you did it once, Ryze went back to 1/3 health on my turret and you fail ganked bot 3 times before coming for the free kill again.

But that's standard shaco behaviour, why are you raging?

[TroN]

Wasn't that like two months ago? You need to let go man. I'm a bad shaco deal with it

[Voulture]

Fucking edna and his mundo troll.

[FUzziBabes]

Wasn't that like two months ago? You need to let go man. I'm a bad shaco deal with it

I feel your pain bro, play so many junglers and yet I never can do well with Shaco :3

[Raxxman]

Wasn't that like two months ago? You need to let go man. I'm a bad shaco deal with it

I feel your pain bro, play so many junglers and yet I never can do well with Shaco :3

I haven't played a game of LoL since*. The scars run deep man, they run deep.

* The ping from Oz to EU West might play a minor part in that.

[filingo]

just play dota instead, i will teach you the ways of crithunter and building bloodstone on everyone

bear foot prophet

[Nicho Void]

Done with ranked games for a while (again). Play has severely degraded in the last month. Fuck children. Nuke schools from orbit.

[Zekk Pacus]

I'm just done with this game tbh. Sick to DEATH of people who can't recognise obvious fucking bait, who don't understand how important it is to have sight of their Taric in a Taric/Vayne lane, who will chase kills to the exclusion of all else, and who don't fucking LEARN. I can deal with bad players, but you'll see these people make the same mistakes 9/10 times or more in a game. What's the fucking point?

[FUzziBabes]

Did my first solo queue ranked game at 1579 elo last night in nearly two weeks, we get shen kennen shyvana(me) urgot and then last pick goes support Sion. Nearly 1600 elo and still getting a troll.

The most depressing part is we won so he will probably do that again...

edit/p.s: the only reason we won was because we invaded and gave blue to Urgot, he double killed their bot lane fairly early

[El Capitano]

Ugh, just had a game where it was my turn to feed like fuck :( Every time Teemo got away with a sliver of health. In my defense, he constantly pushed and overextended, just our jungler wouldn't come top for the free kill :(

[FourFiftyFour]

I'm just done with this game tbh. Sick to DEATH of people who can't recognise obvious fucking bait, who don't understand how important it is to have sight of their Taric in a Taric/Vayne lane, who will chase kills to the exclusion of all else, and who don't fucking LEARN. I can deal with bad players, but you'll see these people make the same mistakes 9/10 times or more in a game. What's the fucking point?

How come you dont play with your friends? I always have a better time in a premade.

[TroN]

He doesn't have any friends









But seriously I do better in 2man games, FHC 5mans are usually a one way trip to feedsville, population: Ebenn (only kidding mate)

[Zekk Pacus]

Because no fucker is ever about on EU anymore. I prefer 5 mans if I'm queueing with people, that way you don't have to try and convince the one random to take the role you don't want to take.

Instead you convince Grarr to do it.

[Kanv]

No friends crew checking in.

I also primarily play normals, so meh

[Sudden]

Teammates refuse to ward, say it "interferes with their builds", also refuse to group up in teamfights, or, feint an initiate, then bail on me and I go down in flames.

I'm am now solely playing WW and carrying myself right out of ELO hell

[Raxxman]

Teammates refuse to ward, say it "interferes with their builds", also refuse to group up in teamfights, or, feint an initiate, then bail on me and I go down in flames.

I'm am now solely playing WW and carrying myself right out of ELO hell


Interfers with build? what build

'The getting raped to death by the jungler all the time build'

Oh, carry on then.

:)

[SAI Peregrinus]

Teammates refuse to ward, say it "interferes with their builds", also refuse to group up in teamfights, or, feint an initiate, then bail on me and I go down in flames.

I'm am now solely playing WW and carrying myself right out of ELO hell


Interfers with build? what build

'The getting raped to death by the jungler all the time build'

Oh, carry on then.

:)

The "wards are soooo expensive! Waah, Waah! build.
I ended my last game (soraka) with 3 sight wards in inventory, 7 deployed, and 2 pinks (dragon/baron). My team killed any enemy out of position, and knew when every jungle camp was up/down. Everyone else on my team had bought at least 3 over the course of the game. This is the "fuck items, vision wins games" build.

[Lilalaunebör]

The only thing im playing atm is Nautilus AP mid:

Picks Naut "im going mid"

Random teammates "WTF ARGBLARGH YOU SUCK"

Lane vs whatever, get underestimated until they die on the first trade

Win game 2:1:2 or something stupid like that



Most rewarding gameplay there is for me. (Well, apart from that one game where i went 15/2 as AP Kat mid. Snowballing Kat like a baws, Shunpo, Dagger, Death Lotus, kill, Shunpo, Dagger, kill, Shunpo, Dagger, kill, Shunpo, Death Lotus ACE.)

[Nicho Void]

Veigar shits all over Ahri. Very fun.

[TroN]

Veigar shits all over Ahri. Very fun.

As an Ahri player I can confirm this 100%

Not a fun lane at all

[evil edna]

he doesnt if you build specifically to counter him

[Nicho Void]

he doesnt if you build specifically to counter him
QSS? Cleanse?

[evil edna]

dont really need cleanse but it will help. specifically get merc treads, dont stack AP and get MR early. qss very good. if you go for a tanky spellvamp build he wont be able to 1 combo you and then hes fucked.

[cullnean]

dont really need cleanse but it will help. specifically get merc treads, dont stack AP and get MR early. qss very good. if you go for a tanky spellvamp build he wont be able to 1 combo you and then hes fucked.

lane switching also works

[TroN]

Not if he follows you.

My first game against him I didn't build to counter him and lost hard. I think next game I'd have a better chance if I thought it through.

[Omega Supreme]

Been a while since I had something specific to comment about.

Just had a Leona (with her tank items being Aegis and Sunfire) ask me why I was so tanky. I was Morgana and had Frozen Heart, Abyssal and was building Zhonya.

Against a team of Malzahar, Sion, Soraka, Kog'Maw and Nunu.

:facepalm:

[Voulture]

No idea wy you got FH against that team tbh. Just rush Zonaya into Deathcap?

[Omega Supreme]

No idea wy you got FH against that team tbh. Just rush Zonaya into Deathcap?

AD Sion and Kog were fed as shit. Not to mention Nunu's ASPD steroid. FH shuts them down harder than Thornmail (and FH gives her CDR + Mana).

[TroN]

I am here to complain about Riot today. Nice patch, but totally broke the out of game ui. Chat channels broken, friend lists broken etc.

Surely that should be their priority to fix but it doesn't seem to be.

[El Capitano]

Yesterday I played with a Kennen who wouldn't use his ult. We got shafted pretty hard for that :/

[TroN]

Yesterday I played with a Kennen who wouldn't use his ult. We got shafted pretty hard for that :/

What, ever? That's a really weird form of badness

[El Capitano]

What, ever? That's a really weird form of badness
He used it twice the entire game, but only as a way to pick up kills after 2-4 of the team were already dead.

[Omega Supreme]

Just saw a Lux in mid whine about Kat and Lee being fed when she rushed Sheen. 0-7, blamed the team naturally.

:facepalm:

[FourFiftyFour]

Just had possibly the worst ashe ever. She was behind the enemy cait in CS by over 100 and fed mercilessly. It was too early in the game for me (olaf) to do anything about her and so she got a penta while. Embarrassing.

[El Capitano]

There are two types of people in this world: those who think ELO hell exists and those who are wrong.

[Voulture]

Three, you forgot about ones who doesn't care.

[El Capitano]

Three, you forgot about ones who doesn't care.
They're also wrong.

[FUzziBabes]

I really think Riot should just get rid of Duo Queue, did a game earlier which I won so I can't really complain about but we were a team of all 1600+ and the other team were all below 1580~ including a 1458, duo queue breaks the system so much. Did a game a while ago where we were a team of 1500s vs 3 1600s a 1200 and a 1800 :/

So stupid, make it True solo queue damn it

[Nicho Void]

I really think Riot should just get rid of Duo Queue, did a game earlier which I won so I can't really complain about but we were a team of all 1600+ and the other team were all below 1580~ including a 1458, duo queue breaks the system so much. Did a game a while ago where we were a team of 1500s vs 3 1600s a 1200 and a 1800 :/

So stupid, make it True solo queue damn it
So much this.

[FourFiftyFour]

Yes please!

[El Capitano]

Sometimes I really don't know how I can pull myself out of slumps like this. How am I supposed to carry if my team goes for their tanks and won't cover me if the enemy tries to target me? How am I supposed to support when our AD carry picked Urgot and builds him tanky? How can I know when to engage when nobody wards? How can I gank when everybody is pushing their lane? How can I work with a team that won't build MR Against a fed Kat?

I know I'm not great, but I'm not this bad but you can't carry a team by yourself, there's only so much you can do. I build up a bit of ELO with some good teams then the game marches me with that carry Urgot, or a support that won't ward.

[Voulture]

How am I supposed to support when our AD carry picked Urgot and builds him tanky?
That's actually pretty good tbh.

[El Capitano]

That's actually pretty good tbh.
Is brutaliser, basic boots, doran's, chain vest a good early game build for Urgot? We wound up with no damage because he was our AD carry and had little damage. If it really is good, I'd honestly be curious how.

[cullnean]

That's actually pretty good tbh.
Is brutaliser, basic boots, doran's, chain vest a good early game build for Urgot? We wound up with no damage because he was our AD carry and had little damage. If it really is good, I'd honestly be curious how.

u want to get glacial armour and guardians fast on him, he is there to crush his lane then tanky init

[El Capitano]

Well, he certainly wasn't crushing the lane, which may have been caused by his inability to last hit and constantly pushing the lane.

[Omega Supreme]

Playing Vayne, got BT against a Kog who rushed PD and only had Scepter. No damage items.

22 minutes in, team scores are 8 to 12 (they are the 12).

Mordekaiser is 2-3, initiates a surrender.

We surrender (I voted no).

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK

I just have no words to describe. This may be the only time I've ever actually felt hopelessness at the stupidity of draft players.

[evil edna]

id surrender too if you were on my team, no offense

[Omega Supreme]

id surrender too if you were on my team, no offense

When somebody says something like "No offense" or "I don't mean to sound racist", it means they do mean it. Don't lie.

1/10 otherwise.

[TroN]

It might have been a 4man group and one of them needed to go. FHC 4mans do that sometimes.

[Omega Supreme]

Wasn't a four man, it was a two man at most. What irritated me is that we stood a VERY high chance of coming back from such a small gap and winning, but we'd rather quit than fight a very winnable 4v5.

[FUzziBabes]

Remember why I stopped playing this game, game just throw by my Morgana who ended 1 9 and had 8.1k gold after 35 minutes, I had the same amount of gold as Janna support...

Constant bickering in chat and my Ez ignored me literally a minute in because I said "why did you start dorans blade with Janna? You will get pushed out of lane", and he instantly ignored me and then refused to take note of any recall blinks.

Think I'm going just going to give up as this game isn't worth the frustration...

[TroN]

The game does seem to have gone to complete shit recently, or rather the people playing it. The game itself is fine.

Did something happen that I don't know about? Or did people just collectively lose some IQ?

[evil edna]

quite possibly all the non retarded kids have gone to dota 2 now theyve expanded the beta alot

[Sudden]

Still getting (mostly bad) Varus' every game. Even if we already have 2 carries. Instalocked, fuck you, team.

[Nicho Void]

Still getting (mostly bad) Varus' every game. Even if we already have 2 carries. Instalocked, fuck you, team.
Confirmin dis. I ban him in drafts for this reason.

[Voulture]

FUCKING FHC SO TERRRIBLE TROLL ME EVERY GAME FIRST PICK RANDOM HOW DO I PLAY KARTHUS I SUCK SO I PLAYED THIS FUCKING KARTHUS AND ALL I HAD WAS 1/10 OLAF TOP NO GOING TO THROW NAMES BUT BEST REGARDS TO VAX YOU SUX AND FIRSTBLOD SUCICIDE FUZYSINGA AT FUCKING LEAST BOT DID QUITE WELL I REALLY LIKED BOB'S 28TH MINUTE BF SWORD CARRY HARD FKFJKSFLKSFKL

[Lilalaunebör]

FUCKING FHC SO TERRRIBLE TROLL ME EVERY GAME FIRST PICK RANDOM HOW DO I PLAY KARTHUS I SUCK SO I PLAYED THIS FUCKING KARTHUS AND ALL I HAD WAS 1/10 OLAF TOP NO GOING TO THROW NAMES BUT BEST REGARDS TO VAX YOU SUX AND FIRSTBLOD SUCICIDE FUZYSINGA AT FUCKING LEAST BOT DID QUITE WELL I REALLY LIKED BOB'S 28TH MINUTE BF SWORD CARRY HARD FKFJKSFLKSFKL

Right now, i agree. FHC game made me rage, which is an achievement.

[Venec]

Once I hit 960 elo I stopped caring and went on to play normals instead.

[Voulture]

That was normal. When i see bunch of fhc'ers who are out of derp elo (regards to edna here o/ ) i expect them to not troll me every game yet they still do :D
I am not really mad but you know.

[evil edna]

hey last time we played normal game i did lee sin vs akali and won. though maybe you wernt in that game but w/e it was pie

[TroN]

hey last time we played normal game i did lee sin vs akali and won. though maybe you wernt in that game but w/e it was pie

You lost, we won the game.

Subtle difference :P

[evil edna]

who got first blood?

me thats who

after that its all bullshit until the victory screen

[TroN]

Who ganked and did 90% of the damage for first blood? :)

[FUzziBabes]

Hey I was lee singah! Sad thing is that if I had kept exhaust instead of ignite I would of killed that fookin shaco :(

[Kanv]

Decided to play in the tribunal today
whole enemy team reports him (reported players team lost)

"offensive language calling us names had to cry in my closet for awhile"
Verbal Abuse
Log:
yo fucking duo faggots
try harder

[El Capitano]

Punish.

[Raxxman]

Who ganked and did 90% of the damage for first blood? :)

I wasn't playing, but still... probably me.

[TroN]

Last game I played I did horrendously bad in top lane as Fiora versus Irelia (not sure why I thought it would work, I just wanted to play Fiora).

I basically lost us the game, but anyway. The two randoms on our team went on such a massive campaign of hate against me that it figuratively blew me away. They spent the majority of the game raging at me and one of them even went as far as to add me to his friends list - which I accepted to see what would happen - and continue to rage at me for a good 30mins after the game had ended. For the first 15mins of this I was afk but I came back to a screen full of random threats, insults and other sperg.

Words fail me how angry this game makes people, and unforgiving.

I should I add, this was a normal game.

[Omega Supreme]

Last game I played I did horrendously bad in top lane as Fiora versus Irelia (not sure why I thought it would work, I just wanted to play Fiora).

I basically lost us the game, but anyway. The two randoms on our team went on such a massive campaign of hate against me that it figuratively blew me away. They spent the majority of the game raging at me and one of them even went as far as to add me to his friends list - which I accepted to see what would happen - and continue to rage at me for a good 30mins after the game had ended. For the first 15mins of this I was afk but I came back to a screen full of random threats, insults and other sperg.

Words fail me how angry this game makes people, and unforgiving.

I should I add, this was a normal game.

I feel your pain. This is the sorta shit I deal with on a daily basis.

[FUzziBabes]

Played two ranked games today

My god was I terrible, just didn't do anything right. Lost mid as kennen vs annie (fuck twitch stealth, kept camping my lane when i was already behind by a mile)
Then lost as vlad vs teemo because he was playing perfectly, just couldn't do anything to him.

I definitely need to play a bit more as it appears not playing much recently has taken its toll on my common sense :3

[Kanv]

Tried to play 2 games yesterday as Olaf. Leaver for both because my street lost power.

Twice.

[FourFiftyFour]

I'm stuck in the mid 900s. I can't put together a good enough streak to claw my way back to 1200