French are overpowered imo

[Cippalippus]

Abuse the shit outta them while it lasts!

[untilted]

Abuse the shit outta them while it lasts!

only the ones with a 90mm+ revolver gun.

playing right now the amx-13/75 ... fuck, that gun is almost useless for single-player random games. it neither has the penetratio nor the damage to do anything worthwhile (yeah .. i know .. the chaffee has a similar gun, but the chaffee is a go-kart compared to the AMX-13)

[Mr Marram]

Im about 1.2mil and 10k (20k to unlock everything) short of the Amx 13-90. Was proper fun in testing. Only issue is, revolver reload :(

[Xarthaginian]

The Tier 3 medium in the heavy line is pretty fun. D2, getting ALOT of kills with it atm :)

[Stormscion]

t2 guns are ULTRA fun , it just seams that its maneuverability was nerfed ? Oo maybe even earlier didnt play it in a long time :D

[Dahak]

No wonder the French lost the damn war.

http://i.imgur.com/riLFp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PUQEe.jpg

[Cippalippus]

Victory!
Battle: Abbey giovedì 5 gennaio 2012 19:48:57
Vehicle: AMX 13 90
Experience received: 1.746
Credits received: 43.113
Battle Achievements: Steel Wall, Sniper

steel wall in a fucking amx 13

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=79707997401303873597

[Xiang Jiao]

No wonder the French lost the damn war.
http://i.imgur.com/PUQEe.jpg

It looks like a penguin tank!

Also, I believe the French were on the Allies during WW2.

[Dahak]

Everyone else won it for them. They just got to spend 4 years having their women (and probably some men) screwed by SS officers.

Edit: Also, the AMX 40 picture above makes about 22kph forward on flat land, 20kph backwards.

[Siriothrax]

I've found that while a lone french tank can be a bit meh at times, getting two or more of the autoloading lights in a platoon can be quite devestating - for example, a AMX 12 only has about 650 damage potential in a canister, which is only enough to kill a tier 5, but two of them will destroy/massively cripple a Tier 7 before having to reload. Also, below tier five is pure :cut: when going French vs French.

[joe space]

lots of free xp over 400k, but don't know what to get. i like really really fast stuff. i'd normally do mediums, but those end tier heavies look just as fast. anyone from test server can help?

[Xiang Jiao]

I only played the tier 5 and 6 light tanks on the test server as I didn't put much time into it. While they don't seem fast at all compared to the tier 5 lights we already have, the six shell drum is hilarious with gold ammo. They played like small, unassuming tanks, and no one paid me much attention. Then, I would sneak around behind a Patton who was aiming at someone else and shave off 20-30% HP. Then I tried with normal AP rounds and it wasn't as effective. I think Siriothrax is right, they are really platoon worthy tanks. Heavies - I can't comment on, but the few tier 8 and 9s I've seen so far on the live server have been largely effective, judging by kills.

[joe space]

thx. i think i'll go medium and maybe free xp to the tier 7 light.

[untilted]

the difference between top tier heavies and mediums is mostly acceleration and size - the bat-chat is tiny for a tier9 vehicle.

also - tier 7 light is where the fun actually starts.

tier 5 light has 650 damage per drum. with 110mm(?) penetration
tier 6 light has 810 damage per drum. with 144mm penetration.
tier 7 light has 1440 damage per drum. (yes, one dead tier 8 med/tier 7 heavy per drum) with 170mm penetration. it also has better acceleration and top speed than the lights before it.
considering that the matchmaker for the tier 7 (on par with tier 9 heavy/TD) is only marginally worse than for the tier 6 (on par with tier 7 heavy) it's a good tank.

[Siriothrax]

I completely agree that the Tier 7 light is deadly - I had a massively fun time solo on test server, and look forward to platooning that tank. However, I only had enough free XP to get into the AMX 12t. So, of course, I ran that in a triple AMX platoon all evening. Final results, 9 for 13, and I was only fully upgraded for the last four battles and was running a 75% crew because I'm cheap like that (my clan mates had gotten on earlier than me, so they had all the modules). The losses were either with completely terrible teammates or matches where we were too out-tiered to heavily influence the flow of the match, but still good games.

Things I noticed:
-Matchmaking is fine, you only see up to Tier 8s, which you can still be quite effective against with some effort or luck.
-Silly Type 59s ignoring me and giving me their side can kiss 40% of their health goodbye. I had one or two players raging about "French OP", and another wasn't a bad and admitted his mistake with a compliment. :)
-At times I did feel a touch undergunned with only 108 pen....damn you, VK3601. Two of us killed three 6s and two 5s that were capping our base, but couldn't pen the 3601 at range and got killed. If only our three tier 6s hadn't gone chasing after a Tier 4 TD in the enemy half and had turned around to support, my hero save on a 100 cap timer wouldn't have been wasted :cut:
-Maps like Steppes are perfect for our platoon, allowing us to relieve a pinned down ally or cause havoc on the opponent's defensive line. Or do one then the other. Basically being able to choose your angle of attack is optimal. Other maps like Lakeville can be difficult with limited approaches and you may end up playing more of a typical light tank role.
-Most of the time, with smart positioning, you won't even notice the lack of gun elevation (the depression is painful, but that gets solved in Tier 6) - other times, though, you'll have a Pz IV up on the Mountain Pass base hill that was sniping me on approach and I couldn't do anything. Thank God we had just murdered the other 3/4s of his team for the loss of three tanks so I had support, haha.
-Map awareness, Map awareness, Map awareness. Key to success in these tanks, even more so than when I played mediums. You have to read the battle unfolding to deliver your alpha and get out/take cover. You only have about a 15 second reload on the clip, so you can do some pitched fighting, but that possibility will get taken away at later tiers.
-That's the other great thing about platooning, with good fire control you can stagger reloads and make sure you're always able to punish them for trying to push on a platoon member.
-And finally, if you don't know how to be evasive and hard to hit because you're used to playing Heavies, then you will DIAF.

All in all, I'll be keeping this tank, and I think anyone who likes the Chaffee :companioncube: will like these.

PS Looking at the MM chart, I think all of the autoloading lights have decent positioning for being effective fighters and *shouldn't* be unnecessarily relegated to scout-only roles - however, the T6/T7 will still benefit greatly from being platooned and have similar styles. The AMX 13 90 gets thrown against T9 meds fairly often and T9 Heavies/TDs always, and you'll need two lights firing from the sides to annihilate any of those.
PPS Never tried the BatChat, but the Lorraine felt more like the French Heavies (Fat but quick) so I disliked it. Hoping the BatChat's size will get it more back to the light end of things.

[Cippalippus]

I can't wait to try the batchat... Lorraine, as you rightly said, feels too big and clumsy.

[Xarthaginian]

Fighting cripple matches in my D2 and B1 against other low tier's from the heavy line was hilarious yesterday. Today its just getting fucking tedious.

[Straight Hustlin]

Free Xp'd my way into AMX 13-75 (t6 light) with all the mods & some rigs. Simply put, this thing is a fucking HOOT to drive! Its got awesome manueverability and the dmage output is incredible, albiet with shitty pen. The thing that has me most supprised is that even with the paper thin armor it tends to bounce quite a bit, and I dont even mean small caliber rounds, bounced rounds from an E75, Ty59 & a Lowe, was quite impressed.

The biggest problem I've noticed is the Negative depression, if thats the right term for it, You just cant aim the gun up for shit, So you have to be cautious on downward slopes as you probably wont be able to hit anything until you get onto flat ground.

Only played about 8or 9 rounds, matchmaker wasnt too harsh, only got 1 game with tier 10's; and got two matches where t7 heavies were the top, I was third down, lolz were had. Fun fact you can pop an easy 8 and still have a round left over in the drum.

[Kilabi]

I think you all got lucky with MM, I land in tier9 hvy game regularly with my AMX 12t.

Still enjoy it a shitton.

[Qui Shon]

The biggest problem I've noticed is the Negative depression, if thats the right term for it

Most people would call it elevation.

[V]

The biggest problem I've noticed is the Negative depression, if thats the right term for it

Most people would call it elevation.

+rep

[Mr Marram]

The AMX 13 90 (T7) seems to be a T8 in matchmaking terms, it also appears on the team lists above the Type 59 which is a T8.

It isn't half fun though, any unsuspecting enemy you can flank then loses about 80% or dies in about 10s :twisted:

also just bought a AMX 12t, the T5 light, that also gets screwed on the match making but then :T5light: and it has no gun elevation or depression at all :psyduck: the 13-90 can aim up and down about 100% more.

[halka]

I bought an AMX 12t and was pretty surprised (read: pissed) that my first ten matches were T8 and T9. I think I had a single T6 match after about 40 games. Kinda enjoying it after full pimp has been applied.

Anyway, AMX 13 75, what battles does it get put into?

[Straight Hustlin]

I bought an AMX 12t and was pretty surprised (read: pissed) that my first ten matches were T8 and T9. I think I had a single T6 match after about 40 games. Kinda enjoying it after full pimp has been applied.

Anyway, AMX 13 75, what battles does it get put into?

Did 8 or 9 rounds last night in mine. Had (1) 3x T10 per team match, (1) 1xT10 per team Match, (2) Tier 7hvy Max rounds, and the rest kinda varied between that. Id say it seem to get weighted like a T7 heavy tank, As I'm usually even with them in the battle list & during the 2 T7 hvy max rounds I was counted as one of the heavies for my team. (They had a Tiger P & 2 T29's, we had a tiger H, T29, & Me for the top 3.

[Siriothrax]

7.1 Matchmaking Chart (http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/71330-71-matchmaking-chart/)

Tl;dr AMX 12t treated like tier 6 medium, AMX 13 75 treated like Tier 7 Heavy, AMX 13 90 treated like Tier 9 Heavy - which is ABOVE the tier 8 medium Lorraine. I don't know if they get tweaked weightings in the MM so that you won't have one team with an AMX 13 90 as top tank and an IS-4 as the opponent's, or if they get tweaked probabilities, but at the very least they have the battle ranges of those tanks.

[Dahak]

Anyone else find it a little screwed up that the M6 and KV-3 can be tossed in a higher tier match than the KV-5?

[Xarthaginian]

I want to reply to Dahak just mentioning that my first 40 - yes forty - fights in a stock M6 included at least 1 tier 10. The grind for the 90mm gun was entirely funded from running the fuck away.

But I wont as this is the French tank thread and I dont want to annoy Space Tank Officer Rapongo who is mythically the moderator here.

[Liam Mirren]

I want to reply to Dahak just mentioning that my first 40 - yes forty - fights in a stock M6 included at least 1 tier 10. The grind for the 90mm gun was entirely funded from running the fuck away.

But I wont as this is the French tank thread and I dont want to annoy Space Tank Officer Rapongo who is mythically the moderator here.

That's a shame, if you had then I could tell you that the 90mm is actually very good on the M6 and that all the effort and annoyance is worth it once you get into the T29. The T29 is godly once you complete the grind to the 105, with the right upgrades (Vert Stab) and the right strategy (hulldown) you'll have a monster with surgical precision that can reach out and touch.

But as you didn't I won't, ofcourse.


Slightly more on topic; I'm not convinced by the French tanks. They tier weirdly and they're all a bit fcked in one way or the other. Apart from that they really look like a marketing stunt done in a bad way, here's how I see it:

- tier 1-4 are all shit, none of them have any redeeming qualities which thus "forces" you to use your free XP to get ahead, which most people will need to convert gold for.
- they get tiered way too high which makes it a struggle and might persuade people to, again, use gold to convert XP to move into the higher tiers
- the revolver type tanks have penetration issues which ofcourse can be easily solved with gold ammo making them godly. So here you have a fast firing gun that thrives on gold ammo. Yeah that's not an obvious choice by WG at all
- with said gold ammo, if you fire a few times but not go empty you have two options; load AP and reload back to gold (which will take almost a minute) or just waste the last few rounds to have it reload automatically, wasting more gold ammo.

It's just too obvious, they probably have CCP Zinfandel working for them.

[Kilabi]

I want to reply to Dahak just mentioning that my first 40 - yes forty - fights in a stock M6 included at least 1 tier 10. The grind for the 90mm gun was entirely funded from running the fuck away.

But I wont as this is the French tank thread and I dont want to annoy Space Tank Officer Rapongo who is mythically the moderator here.

That's a shame, if you had then I could tell you that the 90mm is actually very good on the M6 and that all the effort and annoyance is worth it once you get into the T29. The T29 is godly once you complete the grind to the 105, with the right upgrades (Vert Stab) and the right strategy (hulldown) you'll have a monster with surgical precision that can reach out and touch.

But as you didn't I won't, ofcourse.


Slightly more on topic; I'm not convinced by the French tanks. They tier weirdly and they're all a bit fcked in one way or the other. Apart from that they really look like a marketing stunt done in a bad way, here's how I see it:

- tier 1-4 are all shit, none of them have any redeeming qualities which thus "forces" you to use your free XP to get ahead, which most people will need to convert gold for.
- they get tiered way too high which makes it a struggle and might persuade people to, again, use gold to convert XP to move into the higher tiers
- the revolver type tanks have penetration issues which ofcourse can be easily solved with gold ammo making them godly. So here you have a fast firing gun that thrives on gold ammo. Yeah that's not an obvious choice by WG at all
- with said gold ammo, if you fire a few times but not go empty you have two options; load AP and reload back to gold (which will take almost a minute) or just waste the last few rounds to have it reload automatically, wasting more gold ammo.

It's just too obvious, they probably have CCP Zinfandel working for them.


Wanted to post that anyway:

To reload you just double dip HE (for example) and right away double dip AP again. It will start reloading the HE drum and instantly switch back to AP. No need to wait out 2 loading cycles. Just 1.

[Xarthaginian]

That's a shame, if you had then I could tell you that the 90mm is actually very good on the M6 and that all the effort and annoyance is worth it once you get into the T29. The T29 is godly once you complete the grind to the 105, with the right upgrades (Vert Stab) and the right strategy (hulldown) you'll have a monster with surgical precision that can reach out and touch.

I know, its an absolute fucking abomination that after all that grind, all I got was this with my very first M6, 90mm fight:

Victory!
Battle: Abbey 21 December 2011 21:15:27
Vehicle: M6
Experience received: 1,567
Credits received: 34,159
Battle Achievements: Top Gun, Sharpshooter, Master Gunner, Reaper, Boelter's Medal, Sniper

Including 9 kills.

And I now (maybe 2 weeks later have a fully upgraded T29 :D ) can confirm your thoughts.

But as I didn't say anything, and you didn't reply I suppose thats defunct conversation.

Serious question:

I am low tier French driver, its absolutely retarded. Most of these shitty little surrender monkey's cant even penetrate themselves front on (heavy line), so should I give up on frenchies for abit and just come back to them once I have a couple 100k free xp earned the old-fashioned way?

I am about to emmigrate - so no tanks for 2-3 months, I also do not own a Lowe or Type-59, and I dont convert xp for gold.

I earn what I drive yo!

[joe space]

I want to reply to Dahak just mentioning that my first 40 - yes forty - fights in a stock M6 included at least 1 tier 10. The grind for the 90mm gun was entirely funded from running the fuck away.

But I wont as this is the French tank thread and I dont want to annoy Space Tank Officer Rapongo who is mythically the moderator here.

That's a shame, if you had then I could tell you that the 90mm is actually very good on the M6 and that all the effort and annoyance is worth it once you get into the T29. The T29 is godly once you complete the grind to the 105, with the right upgrades (Vert Stab) and the right strategy (hulldown) you'll have a monster with surgical precision that can reach out and touch.

But as you didn't I won't, ofcourse.


Slightly more on topic; I'm not convinced by the French tanks. They tier weirdly and they're all a bit fcked in one way or the other. Apart from that they really look like a marketing stunt done in a bad way, here's how I see it:

- tier 1-4 are all shit, none of them have any redeeming qualities which thus "forces" you to use your free XP to get ahead, which most people will need to convert gold for.
- they get tiered way too high which makes it a struggle and might persuade people to, again, use gold to convert XP to move into the higher tiers
- the revolver type tanks have penetration issues which ofcourse can be easily solved with gold ammo making them godly. So here you have a fast firing gun that thrives on gold ammo. Yeah that's not an obvious choice by WG at all
- with said gold ammo, if you fire a few times but not go empty you have two options; load AP and reload back to gold (which will take almost a minute) or just waste the last few rounds to have it reload automatically, wasting more gold ammo.

It's just too obvious, they probably have CCP Zinfandel working for them.

vOv there are plenty of options in the game for the poor.

[Liam Mirren]

I am low tier French driver, its absolutely retarded. Most of these shitty little surrender monkey's cant even penetrate themselves front on (heavy line), so should I give up on frenchies for abit and just come back to them once I have a couple 100k free xp earned the old-fashioned way?


I'm going assume that they'll iterate on them a little bit in the very near future so I'd hold on on them for now. The first ones that are "fun" are the tier 5s, both lines.



Wanted to post that anyway:

To reload you just double dip HE (for example) and right away double dip AP again. It will start reloading the HE drum and instantly switch back to AP. No need to wait out 2 loading cycles. Just 1.

My bad, rest still stands though.

[Lancehot]

Just lost a D1 to a loltracktor...yeah

edit: then got 800xp next round. Shit as low tier French tanks are, if you get a rare good game, it's strangely satisfying.

[Xarthaginian]

Due to penetration? Or :facepalm: moment from yourself?

I have had MS-1's obliterate me from range while in BT-2, I zigzag etc on approach, but fuck me BT-2 is "inacurate at best" at range while moving lol

[Lancehot]

Both. While I admit to being terrible, there is something very depressing about hearing "that one bounced off" when you're aiming for the soft part of a noobtank.

edit: oh gawd the D2 is even worse. Having less front armour than a light tank that looks like a duck is depressing...er.

edit2: So were these French tanks actual tanks or did they just get one of the designers children to draw their interpretation of a tank & call it French? Because all the ones I've seen look like a childs drawing of a tank imo.

[Siriothrax]

come back to them once I have a couple 100k free xp earned the old-fashioned way?

Only takes about 20k to get into the Tier 5s on either side, and once you're there you're more or less fine to muscle through the rest.

If I were to reply to a non-existent conversation, I'd say that I was extremely thankful I had the 90mm for the M6 from the T20.

Liam and Kilabi, don't be doing some silly HE -> AP switching to reload - did you know that you can just press C to reload a clip? :) It helps on some of the later ammo-starved tanks.

[RazoR]

shut up

Currently trying to get through AMX 12t and BDR G1B.
GOD DAMN

[Xarthaginian]

@ Razor

WTF dude, you've had 2 weeks head start on the rest of us. I'm only 1 tier behind you - and almost there at that.

[Muffinsrevenger]

The AMX38 defies word in it's badness, holy fucking shit
Even the stock KV was better :,(

[ElweSingollo]

Victory!
Battle: Ensk 07 January 2012 01:20:58
Vehicle: D2
Experience received: 1,416 (x2 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 7,120
Battle Achievements: Master Gunner, Sharpshooter

it's actually a funny tank to drive slow as shit gets perma tracked but as long as you don't get drawn against higher tiers it bounces shots like a mofo and fires reasonably quickly so the extra bounces you get when firing a folks doesn't seem too bad... ofc only had a few games in this free xp'd the first two tanks more or less but it's sorta nice to actually have something different to play.

[RazoR]

@ Razor

WTF dude, you've had 2 weeks head start on the rest of us. I'm only 1 tier behind you - and almost there at that.Dude. I'm a russian and this is new year holydays (we do this thing from 30 december to 13-15th january) so i had better things to do.

This is like the second day i'm free to play tanks and i already have to get a bit of sleep before another party.

[RazoR]

Victory!
Battle: Ensk 07 January 2012 01:20:58
Vehicle: D2
Experience received: 1,416 (x2 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 7,120
Battle Achievements: Master Gunner, Sharpshooter

it's actually a funny tank to drive slow as shit gets perma tracked but as long as you don't get drawn against higher tiers it bounces shots like a mofo and fires reasonably quickly so the extra bounces you get when firing a folks doesn't seem too bad... ofc only had a few games in this free xp'd the first two tanks more or less but it's sorta nice to actually have something different to play.Orly?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HV3UoPINLM

[ElweSingollo]

Victory!
Battle: Ensk 07 January 2012 01:20:58
Vehicle: D2
Experience received: 1,416 (x2 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 7,120
Battle Achievements: Master Gunner, Sharpshooter

it's actually a funny tank to drive slow as shit gets perma tracked but as long as you don't get drawn against higher tiers it bounces shots like a mofo and fires reasonably quickly so the extra bounces you get when firing a folks doesn't seem too bad... ofc only had a few games in this free xp'd the first two tanks more or less but it's sorta nice to actually have something different to play.Orly?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HV3UoPINLM

yeah I am not that uber at playing tanks :P

[Xarthaginian]

Thats D2 Vs MM, and tbh D2 isint that bad. Until the MM throws 13 D2's on either team.

Also thanks to Razor and in paticular this video, which he posted 2 weeks ago, I was runnin around on day 1 shooting frenchies in the - for lack of a better word - Henry the Hoover - type prominence on thier turrets.

[erichkknaar]

edit2: So were these French tanks actual tanks or did they just get one of the designers children to draw their interpretation of a tank & call it French? Because all the ones I've seen look like a childs drawing of a tank imo.

Yeah, so, the other night I was drunk and interwebz researched this, cause I was curious myself. Every one of them either was production or prototype/design stage, same as all the other lines. French tank doctrine pre them getting roflstomped by ze germans dictated over-armored and hilariously badly designed in other ways tanks. They were basically designed to slowly creep up on trenches and create a hole for infantry exploitation. Absolutely no priority given to maneuverability. In some cases, though, they did kick ass. See http://www.downloadmunkey.net/2008/03/military-tuesday-renault-char-b1-bis-eure/ which is a true account of a B1 wtfpwning 13 panzers in a single battle.

The reason they get good around tier 6 is the French had to take a 5 year time out then were able to come back with post WWII tanks (heh). Also seems like the module upgrades in the lower tiers don't seem to include much experimental stuff, or unrealistic fitting experiments like a few of the other lines (Let me put a 107mm cannon on my SU-85).

[High Sierra]

Thats D2 Vs MM, and tbh D2 isint that bad. Until the MM throws 13 D2's on either team.

Also thanks to Razor and in paticular this video, which he posted 2 weeks ago, I was runnin around on day 1 shooting frenchies in the - for lack of a better word - Henry the Hoover - type prominence on thier turrets.

confirming:

due to gfx card issue that are onw resolved, last night was my first chance at playing with the French stuffs.

Was snurgling down the left in campinovka and spotted a D1 - I could barely get aim on the cupola and managed to kill him by hitting it repeatedly.

[zergl]

- with said gold ammo, if you fire a few times but not go empty you have two options; load AP and reload back to gold (which will take almost a minute) or just waste the last few rounds to have it reload automatically, wasting more gold ammo.

It's just too obvious, they probably have CCP Zinfandel working for them.


Wanted to post that anyway:

To reload you just double dip HE (for example) and right away double dip AP again. It will start reloading the HE drum and instantly switch back to AP. No need to wait out 2 loading cycles. Just 1.
M8s:

If you have for example only one shell, you can force loading pressing C but it will take full time of reloading.
http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/73391-i-dont-really-understand-the-reload-system/page__view__findpost__p__1250053

[RazoR]

[QUOTE=Lancehot;336489]Also seems like the module upgrades in the lower tiers don't seem to include much experimental stuff, or unrealistic fitting experiments like a few of the other lines (Let me put a 107mm cannon on my SU-85).That is because their turrets are hilariously small and there is no way make bigger ones without breaking physic laws.

Also 107mm on SU-85 isn't that big of a stretch.
http://rnns.ru/uploads/posts/2009-09/1251954153_su_100_czech_republic.jpg

[Lancehot]

Every time I go up a tier, I die a little inside. Dear lord.

[Muffinsrevenger]

Every time I go up a tier, I die a little inside. Dear lord.

I thought the AMX40 would change this, HAHA GUESS WHAT WRONG AGAIN

[Mr Marram]

7.1 Matchmaking Chart (http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/71330-71-matchmaking-chart/)

Tl;dr AMX 12t treated like tier 6 medium, AMX 13 75 treated like Tier 7 Heavy, AMX 13 90 treated like Tier 9 Heavy - which is ABOVE the tier 8 medium Lorraine. I don't know if they get tweaked weightings in the MM so that you won't have one team with an AMX 13 90 as top tank and an IS-4 as the opponent's, or if they get tweaked probabilities, but at the very least they have the battle ranges of those tanks.

https://worldoftanks.com/dcont/fb/media/7_1mm.png

[Al Simmons]

I almost don't want to grind the frenchies cos of how bad they look on paper. And to be honest, 'situationally good' falls down when you get that 'all around good' tank bearing down on you which happens quite a lot.

[Equium Duo]

I got a 2.2k double in the B1, its good.

[Mr Marram]

I almost don't want to grind the frenchies cos of how bad they look on paper. And to be honest, 'situationally good' falls down when you get that 'all around good' tank bearing down on you which happens quite a lot.

Or when the revolver empties and you only need 1 more shot to finish someone, bad tiems :(

[Eshnala]

Victory!
Battle: Malinovka Samstag, 7. Januar 2012 16:08:30
Vehicle: BDR G1B
Experience received: 1.846
Credits received: 39.268
Battle Achievements: Steel Wall, Top Gun, Master Gunner


sup?

[Tordin Varglund]

http://1bi.us/9al

[Al Simmons]

B1 is hilariously, incredibly bad. Two B1s fighting each other is like the most retarded cripple fight ever.

[untilted]

http://1bi.us/9al

nbs :P

@marram: that's one of the great things with OTM - easy identifaction of situations where a.) you better leg it as you won't kill shit with a single drum, b.) you can try it but better don't fuck up with your aiming or c.) where you savely can engage a target and still have a shell left.

[Mr Marram]

http://1bi.us/9al

nbs :P

@marram: that's one of the great things with OTM - easy identifaction of situations where a.) you better leg it as you won't kill shit with a single drum, b.) you can try it but better don't fuck up with your aiming or c.) where you savely can engage a target and still have a shell left.

is it working again or just needs a reinstall ?

[untilted]

http://1bi.us/9al

nbs :P

@marram: that's one of the great things with OTM - easy identifaction of situations where a.) you better leg it as you won't kill shit with a single drum, b.) you can try it but better don't fuck up with your aiming or c.) where you savely can engage a target and still have a shell left.

is it working again or just needs a reinstall ?

it works without a problem. i'm using the 0.7 compatible version that got posted a few weeks ago in the mainthread (it could also have been the 0.7 patch-thread)

[halka]

Damnit what's happening I'm not even that good at tanks
http://ompldr.org/vYzRlYQ/shot_026_crop.jpg

[Cippalippus]

http://1bi.us/9al

You chased me all the game with an E75 while our team smashed yours and win :z0r:

[hXc]

excuses

[Tordin Varglund]

It was worth it though

[Cippalippus]

yo the lorraine owns f y i

can't wait to get the bat chat (it's a long fucking grind though)

[cerui]

yo the lorraine owns f y i

can't wait to get the bat chat (it's a long fucking grind though)

It's nasty to be on the other side of. I would've killed you in that match except I didn't see you until I was like 10 meters from you and had already shot the kv3 a second time. The rest our type 59's were derptastic in the match, "HERP DERP, LET'S DRIVE INTO THE FORREST DESPITE HAVING CLEAR SHOT AT P2 AND KT AND HAVING NO IDEA WHERE THE REST OF THE ENEMY TEAM IS!!". Would've been difficult and rather nasty for your team to advance on us at the houses.

[Mr Marram]

yo the lorraine owns f y i

can't wait to get the bat chat (it's a long fucking grind though)

Im getting there, another 60-70k XP to grind and a fair bit in free XP for the engines/tracks/guns (fuck the radio).

[rufuske]

yo the lorraine owns f y i

can't wait to get the bat chat (it's a long fucking grind though)

Im getting there, another 60-70k XP to grind and a fair bit in free XP for the engines/tracks/guns (fuck the radio).

14k grind to AMX 12t in AMX40 without premium...:psyduck:

[Muffinsrevenger]

yo the lorraine owns f y i

can't wait to get the bat chat (it's a long fucking grind though)

Im getting there, another 60-70k XP to grind and a fair bit in free XP for the engines/tracks/guns (fuck the radio).

14k grind to AMX 12t in AMX40 without premium...:psyduck:

Doing this, rapidly losing any sort of will to live

then again, id did unlock both the t-44 and SU-152 today, so currently comforting myself with excessive dosages of t-44

[rufuske]

yo the lorraine owns f y i

can't wait to get the bat chat (it's a long fucking grind though)

Im getting there, another 60-70k XP to grind and a fair bit in free XP for the engines/tracks/guns (fuck the radio).

14k grind to AMX 12t in AMX40 without premium...:psyduck:

Doing this, rapidly losing any sort of will to live

then again, id did unlock both the t-44 and SU-152 today, so currently comforting myself with excessive dosages of t-44

Doing the same with Tetrarch and T34-85 with d10t.

[RazoR]

TetrarchWhat is it good for anyway?
I've sold mine for 140k creds as soon as i got it :razor:
Damnit what's happening I'm not even that good at tanks
is-4 83% winrateUh-huh.

Mine is around 56%.

[Stormscion]

People praise tetrach because of uber gun that it has.

[rufuske]

48-80 penetration at tier2? 64km/h, 8t and 180 hp and you even ask? It's pure fun.

[Aeolos]

Tetrarch is awesome fun in low tier matches. Used it to grind some free XP for my AMX 12t, which I really don't like. Guess I'll reserve judgement until I've unlocked all upgrades, though.

[RazoR]

Tetrarch is awesome fun in low tier matches. Used it to grind some free XP for my AMX 12t, which I really don't like. Guess I'll reserve judgement until I've unlocked all upgrades, though.Yeah it's slower than 50-2 and not as bouncy (lol) as 2801 but god damn, DAT ALPHA.

If you manage to flank a tier7 heavy you just empty your entire magazine in it and you're aces.

[Eshnala]

Anyone gathered some experience on the heavy line yet? im at the ARL 44 and i dont know if i wana keep going with the suffering, but i predict the awesomeness starts at the AMX 50 100 :S

[theBlind]

From what I've seen of them in the field (not having driven them myself) you should be about right.
Also, the ARL44 should be a beast in T6 companies.

[rufuske]

Anyone gathered some experience on the heavy line yet? im at the ARL 44 and i dont know if i wana keep going with the suffering, but i predict the awesomeness starts at the AMX 50 100 :S

Only on test server. But fully upgraded ARL44 with that long 90 is a fucking monster. You can reliably damage E75s, IS-4s etc. It makes awesome exp and credits. Be sure to always have something more threatening around to draw attention from yourself (supporting E75s and KTs was my favourite tactics). Same with AMX 50 but with more firepower :D. Your friendly E75 starts duking it out with IS-4? Rush the fucker using your medium like mobility, if he turns to engage you, E75 is clear to engage and you can still dodge, circle while unloading your clip. He stays fixed on E75? Even better, unload and gtfo. High tier frenchies are the most fun I had in this game ever.

[Xarthaginian]

Just watched a platoon of BatChat and 2 GW Tigers eliminate the entire opposing team on Malinovka.

We started with 4 arty each. BatChat went halfway and scouted. They sent T-54 to do same job. Our arty did a better job.

Last tank standing was a Maus hiding behind the buildings in the North. BatChat scouted it, circled it and then steamrolled the houses.

Was awesome to watch. (I died to enemy arty trying to climb the hill)

[Stormscion]

so far i would say ( not playing them but hearing what other talk and observing capabilities in combat )

t6 light AMX 13 75 - good* plays like traditional medium
t7 light AMX 13 90 - great* plays like traditional medium ( 90mm gun ).
t8 med Lorainne40 - good
t9 med BatChat - great*plays like medium focused on scouting ( mobility and size are "scout" like , medium aspect would be gun ).
t6 heavy - great ( gun is insane , good front armor decent speed ).
t8 heavy - good*plays like medium ( panther II in terms of mobility with better gun ).

reserving comments on t9 and t10 heavy tanks.

The only thing that is certain with this is that it shows that we should start thinking about tanks more in terms of what roles they perform and not where weight defining there roles ( something that was there since beginning but now is really prominent ).
Example : scout , does not mean light tank and flanker can mean light med and heavy and even td.

[Accipiter]

I just got mauled in my T-34-85 by "an oversized green KV", forgot the name. Also TMA Revolvers: They are preloaded with X bullets which just can shoot one after another, then there is a long reload phase?

[Stormscion]

Yep. Effective DPM is similar to the other nations but you have ability to unleash it in one quick burst of fire then retreat to reload.

[Dahak]

I just got mauled in my T-34-85 by "an oversized green KV", forgot the name. Also TMA Revolvers: They are preloaded with X bullets which just can shoot one after another, then there is a long reload phase?

My sole experience is the AMX 12t. It comes with 6 75mm rounds, fires them off a about as fast as the T-34 57mm, but without needing 100% crew or a rammer (currently at 77% + vent). Then there is a very long reload. Doesn't feel as bad as KV 152mm, but still fairly long.

On that note, rigs for French lights? I've got ventilation and coated optics, wondering what to put in that third slot. EGLD?

[Tordin Varglund]

EGLD is needed since you want to fire as fast as possible, and the gun will not be fully aimed by the time its ready to fire again. Even with EGLD, its far from perfect with the AMX 13 75.

[theBlind]

Currently running my AMX 13 75 with EGLD, vents and camo net. The camo net since I don't have camo skills on the crew yet and it allows me to do spotting in those high-tier games on restricted maps where I could not normally use speed to my advantage and flank.
Or simply to choose a position and see if engaging would be useless.
I guess I'll go EGLD, optics and vents once I get camo on the crew.

The AMX 13 XX are a lights after all, so they should have pretty good camoflage values build-in. Anyone know?

[Straight Hustlin]

On my AMX 13-75 I'm using vents, camo & Spall liner, mainly because I'm a poor fag & these were only 50k a pop & I already had the cammo net. Will probably throw on a EGLD & coated optics whenver I get done whoring creds for my T-54 or they have another 50% off equipment special.

Tho I gotta say the Spall liner is kinda handy because it seems like people always try to shoot this thing with HE as even that will penetrate reliably on my tinfoil armor


The AMX 13 XX are a lights after all, so they should have pretty good camoflage values build-in. Anyone know?

I'm not sure what the hard numbers are, but this thing is definitly pretty sneaky. Was playing on Porohovka last night, starting south and went east & up the hill, Got to the far north end of the hill & found a Ty-59 down near the houses at the bottom of the hill, bout 100m away. Started pounding away on his side armor and he turned his turret towards my direction, but actually started shooting a Pershing that was next to me. He must not have seen me because I was only in a Bush with nothing infront of me to block his LOS.

One thing I've noticed about this lil fucker that totally sucks is that its so low, it cannot shoot over the short stone walls, the ones that are like 3-4' high, So you actually have to bust through them to shoot at someone on the other side. Tho on the positive side you can use the short walls for cover against vehicals that are mid to long range from you, Only really becomes an issue in close where the enemy can aim down at you, but you cant aim up at him.

[halka]

Doesn't the spall liner reduce splash damage only (well, that and ramming damage)?

[Straight Hustlin]

Doesn't the spall liner reduce splash damage only (well, that and ramming damage)?

Yeah, but when your tank is fast as hell and has the structural stability of a paper mache, its really helpful as most people dont even land direct hits, the rounds just splash around you and eventually someone will get lucky and track you. Its also very handy if your going to try and hunt down the enemy arty, as I almost killed myself ramming a GWTiger.

[Stormscion]

and it costs 50k for light tank :)

[Madscotsman]

Ended up using free xp to finish off the grind on the AMX 40 and the B1, it was just too painful otherwise.
Having a blast in the AMX 12t but only have 8Kish xp left to the 13 75 which I'm looking forward to.
The BDR is still pretty :meh: even with the 90mm, although at least I can pen. larger tanks now and one-shot smaller tanks if I'm top-tier.

[Cippalippus]

Wtf camo nets and spall liners on lights? The french lights have insane natural camos as it is and it's much easier to stay hidden even with 0% camo skills.

Anyway, the Lorraine isn't just good, it's excellent. The bat-chat is a rapemobile from what I've seen and it completely obsoletes the patton and t54 as the scouting medium of choice in clanwars.

[Straight Hustlin]

Wtf camo nets and spall liners on lights?

selective reading for the win

[Cippalippus]

I read it and it's retarded to put spall liners on lights. It's better to leave a slot free than use a fucking spall liner on a light tank.

edit: to clarify, spall liners weight a lot and their effect is unnoticeable at best

[untilted]

this might sound retarded - but i'm considering to ignore the second and third engine upgrade on the lorraine.

afterall with just the first engine upgrade and the second 90mm i'm having almost 1k average XP and a 61% win-rate. mobility is fine enough, likely not much worse than on AMX 50 100

sure, it's not the OMGwtfzor!-mobile it would be with the top engine .. but then again - that's 51k XP to grind out ... while the grind to the bat-chat + 100mm is "just" 200k.

while it certainly is a great tank, i don't like it. not enough gun depression, fugly looks. likely won't keep it after i got the bat-chat.

edit: also another reason: because of type 59 ... while the increase in tier spread for them was deserved, i miss now the tier 8 medium matches without them.

[joe space]

I'm doing vent (so cheap!) and ammo rack durability thingee on AMX 13 90. last slot free atm. normally i'd do anything gun related, but aiming speed just is not a problem at all since i unload nearly all my rounds in extremely close range. the sloping of the AMX 13 90, as well as it's snappiness, mean that it is really good at hugging larger tanks and inducing misses, bounces, and poor hits. also, it does not pen well from range. although i went camo for first specialization, i wouldn't do camo net. afaik, camo spec applies even while moving and camo net does not. although hiding during reload is important, it is still a bad idea to sit still as any decent medium will come hunting you down in the place you were last seen/currently hiding. tiger stripes camo, ofc, is a different story; it is a required purchase.

[joe space]

[QUOTE=untilted;338647]this might sound retarded - but i'm considering to ignore the second and third engine upgrade on the lorraine.QUOTE]

how is that retarded? expensive upgraded engines will almost never pay for themselves if you are trying to grind through. you are talking about adding 25% more grind time, and for 20% of that time you wont even have the engine.

[Cippalippus]

Get the engines, don't be dumb.

look at this shit: http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=95992244885969810773
you can't do that without the top engine

[untilted]

after playing a tier 8 match on cliffs - i just can say the following: LAWL ... i reached the cliff above the road before most of my team/the enemy team had even reached the top of the ramp.

will unlock the 100mm and then look again if i *really* need the additional mobility - afterall the 50sec reload needs a different level of "ohmagawd, GTFO!"

[RazoR]

t8 med Lorainne40 - good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kB9pR-ofKU

[Stormscion]

ok ok awesome :)

[Dahak]

I've started using the +5% gas on the AMX 12t because it's kind of a pig even with the top engine. I know it's not intended to be a dead-end superscout like the other T5 lights, but they've got power/weight ratios between 23% and 68% better, and you can really feel the difference.

That being said, thank fuck I'm out of the AMX 40.

Edit: Also, I feel that the BDR should have a better view range considering the ridiculous cupola it has to deal with on the upgraded turret.
http://i.imgur.com/7OgUq.jpg

[Liam Mirren]

t8 med Lorainne40 - good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kB9pR-ofKU

That's pretty awesome, bit lucky you had the room to manoeuvre around like that but still, amazing.

[RazoR]

That isn't me, i have much better shooting skills~~

[High Sierra]

the way that player maneouvres his tank....


annoying as hell to watch.


also: AMX40. if I come up against one I find it really hard to kill no matter where I aim. But if I play in one myself I get one or two shotted by other players.

example: yesterday I'm playing in my Marder II (fully upgraded). Side shots on an AMX40 - I hit it 5 times in the hull area. one shot broke a track the rest did nothing.

Last time I encountered a Marder II in my AMX40 the first hit took half my HP (round went through the front glacis) the second killed me.


that kind of thing gets a tad annoying.

[Madscotsman]

That seems to be my experience too, they're all impenetrable except for the one I'm driving :/

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[SteeleResolve]

Which tanks have these revolver guns?

[halka]

This has been mentioned before, but it's all the tanks that have oscillating turrets - tier 5+ 'mediums' and tier 8+ heavies.

[sahtila]

AMX 13 75 is better than -90. Yes -75 gun does half damage, but reload time of magazine is just perfect to get it loaded while moving next spot, while -90 load time is simply too long. Also -90 gets relatively much harder opponenets.

[sokken]

The AMX38 actually does well for once, im still a state of mild disbelief;

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=71651274358153677595

[High Sierra]

the grind through the AMX40 is fucking awful. HOW do you make this piece of shit even moderately succesful?

[Madscotsman]

the grind through the AMX40 is fucking awful. HOW do you make this piece of shit even moderately succesful?

I unlocked all the modules on the AMX 40 and the B1 then gave up and free xp'd to the AMX12t and BDR. Although, that 75mm on the AMX40 packs a punch when you can actually hit something.

[Accipiter]

Getting into Matches with E-75 and stuff in the BDR is no fun at all without a derpgun...

[Cippalippus]

just had one of the most satisfying games ever
Victory!
Battle: Karelia mercoledì 11 gennaio 2012 00:35:29
Vehicle: Bat Chatillon 25 t
Experience received: 2.079
Credits received: 65.940
Battle Achievements: Invader

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id...610788603674146

Match on Karelia, whole team goes in the valley. Follows base defense and flanking manouver, ends with me capping while an E75, T95 and Ferdi crawl back to base. In the last 3 seconds the T95 appears, I track him with the 2 last shells and snatch a victory from a sure defeat.

[Mr Marram]

Tordin, that game we just had

Victory!
Battle: Karelia 11 January 2012 00:29:47
Vehicle: AMX 13 90
Experience received: 4,676 (x2 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 46,989

8-)

[Tordin Varglund]

Victory!
Battle: Karelia 11. januar 2012 01:30:09
Vehicle: AMX 13 90
Experience received: 1*989
Credits received: 43*569
Battle Achievements: Confederate


french are indeed OP

[Siriothrax]

Victory!
Battle: Lakeville Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:55:32 PM
Vehicle: AMX 13 75
Experience received: 4,350 (x2 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 50,293
Battle Achievements: Top Gun, Sniper

An IS was bitching that I stole his kill on a tiger, but the tiger had 500 HP left and had run halfway across the city back to its base while the IS was tangled on Tank wrecks, so vOv.

[Accipiter]

just had one of the most satisfying games ever
Victory!
Battle: Karelia mercoledì 11 gennaio 2012 00:35:29
Vehicle: Bat Chatillon 25 t
Experience received: 2.079
Credits received: 65.940
Battle Achievements: Invader

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id...610788603674146

Match on Karelia, whole team goes in the valley. Follows base defense and flanking manouver, ends with me capping while an E75, T95 and Ferdi crawl back to base. In the last 3 seconds the T95 appears, I track him with the 2 last shells and snatch a victory from a sure defeat.

Links leads to the normal TU Site?

[zergl]

just had one of the most satisfying games ever
Victory!
Battle: Karelia mercoledì 11 gennaio 2012 00:35:29
Vehicle: Bat Chatillon 25 t
Experience received: 2.079
Credits received: 65.940
Battle Achievements: Invader

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id...610788603674146

Match on Karelia, whole team goes in the valley. Follows base defense and flanking manouver, ends with me capping while an E75, T95 and Ferdi crawl back to base. In the last 3 seconds the T95 appears, I track him with the 2 last shells and snatch a victory from a sure defeat.

Links leads to the normal TU Site?

Link is broken, as he probably just copypasted his post from some other forum he posted it at?

It has "..." in it where the URL text shortener strikes.

[MicrosoftSam]

Holy crap.

:B1: HOW?!

I've never had a more useless tank :< Not even the stock kv was this bad.

[Muffinsrevenger]

So the AMX 12t in my mind is basically a huge doomsday-dick mounted in a oscillating turret on a pair of tracks, built with the soul purpose of running around causing death and disregarding all the haters all the time

It is a greatest tank :D

[Cool09]

sole purpose*

/salute

[Corwyna]

So the AMX 12t in my mind is basically a huge doomsday-dick mounted in a oscillating turret on a pair of tracks, built with the soul purpose of running around causing death and disregarding all the haters all the time

It is a greatest tank :D
Most of the time in it I'm fighting the damn tank instead the enemy. God forbids you try to engage on anything else but mirror flat surface.

[High Sierra]

ok so....

this fucking AMX40 thing.

on the final stretch of the grind out of this piece of crap. it hasnt helped that I've had a run of losing battles in the thing which makes the grind in ANY tank you dont really want doubly long.

I got the 75mm gun the other day and I've noticed a curious thing:

ok I can kill stuff a bit easier now..... but my tank appears to be tougher too......

I swear this is true - before I got that 75mm gun I was getting one or two shotted in every other battle by stuff that should have had problems killing me. Not only that, the rounds (when I got a chance to examine damage) were hitting in places where if it had been me shooting another AMX40 I would have got a bounce. eg. I got hit in the upper front glacis by a Marder II - took half my HP. In a game in my own Marder II I hit virtually the same place and bounced 4 times.

the last game, I was bouncing EVERYTHING they threw at me, including arty hits. every third hit took a small amount of damage. In the end I died because I was the last on my team and they had virtually surrounded me and ground me down.

I really HATE this tank. quite alot.

[stormyfs-shitpoastin]

Conversely, I just got Steel Wall in the AMX40
Next match: violently raped by invisible tanks

:psyduck:

[Stormscion]

Victory!
Battle: Mines 12. januar 2012 22:48:13
Vehicle: AMX 13 75
Experience received: 2.053
Credits received: 53.965
Battle Achievements: Sharpshooter, Sniper

this was my last game in that thing , with this game i finally got xp i needed to unlock 13 90 :) epic tank idd !

[MicrosoftSam]

Gonna buy gold to get through the B1. Cannot stand that 55 damage/66 pen gun.

I think this is Wargaming's plan. Beat people into submission by making them hate the grind so much they get gold. :P

[Al Simmons]

Yeah, honestly these French tanks are taking the whole "suffer through a couple of shit tanks till they get good" thing a bit too far. I mean tier 8 before you get a medium tank or a heavy with the revolver turret? Hours and hours of tedium and bullshit until you maybe get a good tank in the line isn't fun gameplay.

[Stormscion]

afaik french start to get good with t6 heavy line and tier5 light/medium line

[High Sierra]

anything that makes you buy gold is good for Wargaming. /cynicism

[Jindo Minian]

Yeah, i love the AMX 13. It's just such alot of fun.
Flipside, i fucking hate the BDR. Sure the gun is ok but takes forever to aim...so you can snipe aslong as you don't get spotted.
Which is never as the tank is so fat i'm sure people can see you instantly.

[Cippalippus]

yo fuck grinding lower tiers, I started in an AMX 13 90.

[Jindo Minian]

yo fuck grinding lower tiers, I started in an AMX 13 90.

Same, except i stopped at the 75 instead of the 90.
Contemplating skipping the French heavies up to tier 8 though. This BDR is doing my head in.

[RazoR]

ARL is even worse than BDR.
AMX M4 is mediocre but ok.

[Tordin Varglund]

ARL is amazing once you get the last gun. M4 is terribad though.

[rufuske]

ARL is amazing once you get the last gun. M4 is terribad though.

Engine upgrade makes one hell of a difference too.

[Eshnala]

But the traverse speed makes it sooooo terrible :(

[Stormscion]

ARL is amazing once you get the last gun. M4 is terribad though.

both are good fully upgraded

[MicrosoftSam]

ARL is even worse than BDR.
AMX M4 is mediocre but ok.

Of course, like everything, opinions to each own. But I'm not disliking the BDR with the 90mm. I see it like a 107/kv that shoots faster and has slightly less damage per shell.

All in all, I can suffer the grind just fine as long as I have a punishing weapon. This is, imo, the biggest downfall for the french tiers 1~4.

These stats... :psyduck:

MS-1 - 45mm 1932 - 47 damage/51 pen (24rpm)
B1 - 47mm sa37 (highest tier gun) -55 damage/66 pen (27,27 rpm)

So at tier 4, you can out damage a ms-1 ever so slightly. heh

[Jade Constantine]

ARL is amazing once you get the last gun. M4 is terribad though.

Pffft, absolutely horrible tank. The gun might well have decent penetration/damage on paper but its too inaccurate and slow focusing for effective sniping (which is what you need to be doing if you want to live since your massive size and paper thin turret armour will get you killed in any kind of brawling.) Hate it. Wikipedia article on the real tank is strangely accurate describing a horrible blend of ww1 looks and hull performance with substandard hashed together turret and gun that ultimately got binned as a crap idea before the french designers got back to planning some actual modern tanks.

AMX 13-90 on the other hand. Now that is a fun tank. Amazing rapid fire gun fully capable of ending tier 8s and below in 15 secs of blasting away through the revolver coupled with a tiny hull and excellent manouverability/speed for hiding/scouting during the reload. I put a camo net/binocs/vents on mine and set the crew training camo to enable it to function as a cloaked forward scout in the early phases of the battle and brutal ambusher then opportunity comes. I originally planned on buying this one just so i could eventually move the spec trained crew on up the tree but having played it a fair bit now its a keeper.

Will probably skip the lorraine (since that looks way too conventional and i've got an e50 for that kind of business) but interested to see how the batchat functions.

[Mr Marram]

Batchat is the same as the Lorraine more or less, the medium line doesn't change much, very agile and quick in the later stages, spews damage but long revolver reloads.

Batchat and Lorraine both get the same 100mm gun which seems rather odd.

[Tordin Varglund]

Bat has actual gun depression though, which the lorraine does not.

[theBlind]

Also the bat seems to be about the same size as the AMX 13.

[Jindo Minian]

Also the bat seems to be about the same size as the AMX 13.

Because it is an AMX 13 development.

[Cippalippus]

It also has a great tank. "what the fuck are you talking about?" I hear you say... well, speed and size are its armor and believe me, they work very well.

[theBlind]

It also has a great tank. "what the fuck are you talking about?" I hear you say... well, speed and size are its armor and believe me, they work very well.

That is kinda what I wanted to imply with my size comment. If you can hide the tank behind any random pebble on the ground, you're bound to catch less fire.

[Tordin Varglund]

Lorraine... WHYYYYY

Seriously.. had my gunner, ammo rack and driver knocked out.. Healed the gunner and ammorack, instantly had them knocked out again..

[Thukker]

They can work very well, but are definitely not a raw replacement for better numbers. Speed tanks in this game are, very much like in EVE, heavily reliant on allies posing a more immediate threat to be pointing guns at than the guy that's hard to track and hit. And even then, that doesn't stop some of the move vengeful targets who will literally sacrifice themselves to see you die just because you're annoying.

[untilted]

Researched:
Bat Chatillon 25 t researched. Undistributed experience spent: 178.090. Free Experience spent: 0.


=D

Victory!
Battle: Fjords Samstag, 14. Jänner 2012 17:08:33
Vehicle: Bat Chatillon 25 t
Experience received: 2.146
Credits received: 66.285
Battle Achievements: Top Gun, Sharpshooter, Master Gunner

[theBlind]

that doesn't stop some of the move vengeful targets who will literally sacrifice themselves to see you die just because you're annoying.

Isn't that great? I never got the nano-thing in EVE when it was at its height, but damn doing this stuff is fun.

[sahtila]

Lorraine is just OP, something like 67% winrate over 120 games (no teaming up just random fights). Was at 72% winrate at 50 games played but started to slack and got some games with tier10's. But seems it get really often games where its near top tier, and then its tank which can really turn fight to own side better than anything.

[Tordin Varglund]

Yes its incredibly OP being the size of a space shuttle, having 50sec reload, a gun with dows syndrome and no gun depression, and on top if it all, it has no armor to speak of and less hitpoints than an ibis.

Incredibly OP.

[sahtila]

Lol if its not OP for you, then its L2P issue :P

[Tordin Varglund]

Clearly an L2P issue.

[Dahak]

Usually the people who just post "L2P" without an explanation don't know what the hell they're doing either.

[sahtila]

Usually the people who just post "L2P" without an explanation don't know what the hell they're doing either.

Because 67% winrate over 130 random games (non-grouped, big boost if you group) means I dont know what the hell I am doing?

[MicrosoftSam]

Don't care about you guys hurf blurf lorraine (even though all my friends praise the tank).

Happy with the G1B atm, 7k off the ARL [BUT] made a detour and got the Amx 12t.

WTB AMX 12t*7. Would buy more if I had more slots unlocked.

It's so good! Like pre-nerfs t44 good. <3 New favorite tank.

[Jindo Minian]

Clearly an L2P issue.

Now, while i know you don't need to "L2P" Tordin. but to be fair you aren't very adaptable.
You play a tank and it doesn't do something you expect and you hate it forever.
Maybe it's a curse, every 5th tank you play, you will hate with the raging fury of Asbjörn.

Although again, French tanks are a real Love/Hate kind of thing. And remember i did fucking hate the E-75 so it's all subjective.

[Tordin Varglund]

Actually, its the other way around. My play style is based on being adaptable, but the tank doesn't suite the role. Lack of gun depression and sustainable fire makes it less than ideal for this kind of work since it kinda requires you to fit into a non perfect situation. This tank only really works when everything goes as planned.

Its why i like the E-50, Chaffee, E-75 etc so much because they can fit several roles on short notice. The Lorraine needs pretty much the perfect situation to unfold in front of it for it to be any better than a Panther 2 or Pershing.

Coming from the AMX 13 75 and 90, which btw are unparalleled rape trains at their tiers, the Lorraine doesn't offer anything at its tier that the other T8 mediums cannot do as well or better. The only special feature its got is the revolver, and more often than not, that's just as big a disadvantage as an advantage when you got 50sec reload.

[Al Simmons]

Yeah, they should have balanced around the reload rather than giving armour values of a wet paper cup.

[Jindo Minian]

I meant adaptable to the tank, not the situation.
If you can't adapt to the situation you wouldn't be a good player.

[Cippalippus]

I love the Lorraine, in fact I haven't sold a single french tank yet. Still have the AMX 13 90 and the Lorraine.

You need to play the Lorraine as a seasoned rapist:

1) Wait in bush
2) Pounce on unsuspecting prey from behind
3) Shoot your load leaving the victim a wreck
4) Leg it before help arrives
5) Chill till the heat dies down, then repeat when you're fully reloaded.

[Tordin Varglund]

I meant adaptable to the tank, not the situation.
If you can't adapt to the situation you wouldn't be a good player.

Oh but i do, Its just that its more tedious and annoying than fun to play.

I have got 1040 average xp in it, which is 2nd only to my E-50 and Type 59 as far as mediums go (1200+ for the Chaffee and AMX 13 90), and over 2.3k dpb. Its still a fucking nightmare to play and i seriously hate it.

[Jindo Minian]

Yeah, that's exactly how i felt about the E-75.
I prefer all the other tier 9 heavies. Even if i do worse in them.

[Corwyna]

Yeah, that's exactly how i felt about the E-75.
I prefer all the other tier 9 heavies. Even if i do worse in them.
You are the only guy ever to bitch that E-75 is too reliable and consistent :|

[Waagaa]

I love the Lorraine, in fact I haven't sold a single french tank yet. Still have the AMX 13 90 and the Lorraine.

You need to play the Lorraine as a seasoned rapist:

1) Wait in bush
2) Pounce on unsuspecting prey from behind
3) Shoot your load leaving the victim a wreck
4) Leg it before help arrives
5) Chill till the heat dies down, then repeat when you're fully reloaded.

Basically, play like a Frenchman!

[Qui Shon]

So can we have a simple overview of Frenchies, as in good/bad or fun/unfun

Like, heavy tree, tier 1-5 sucks, 6 is okay, 7 great, 8 sucks......something like that?

I'm considering giving up the daily double grind and skipping some particularly bad tanks, if there are any.

[Nooby]

Mediums tier 1-5 are terrible, the AMX 13 75 is pretty good. The gun is is a bit low in the damage department tho.

[halka]

The AMX 12t is still p. awesome when played well. Heavy line up 'till tier 4 is fucking anemic, don't know about the t5+.

General consensus is t4- is meh, tier 5 receives conflicting reviews and t6+ => awsum.

[smurphy1]

My biggest problem with the AMX12t was the mm. I think 10% of the games were with tier 9 tanks as top tanks, 85% with at least 4 tier 8s on each team as top tank, and maybe 5% with tier 7 tanks as top tank. The top gun on the AMX 12t is just below the needed penetration to hurt most tier 8s from the side or behind consistently but against tier 7s it did pretty well.

[Tordin Varglund]

French medium line is awesome at tier 6 and 7, Lorraine is imo quite :meh: and nothing special compared to the AMX 13's. From the test server i loved the ARL, hated the M4, AMX 50 100 is OK and AMX 50 120 is :AWESOME:

[Warpath]

All of the early french tanks up to tier 5 or so seem to have guns that will only penetrate about once every ten shots no matter where you aim, and even with the best engines have almost zero speed..

[sokken]

Something to cheer up those currently "enjoying" the AMX40. Crawling around ganking low tiers for 9 kills.

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=10690877553833470661

[helgur]

Battle recorder

How does it fucking work?

[Straight Hustlin]

Battle recorder

How does it fucking work?

Go to the settings menu, I believe its on the first tab with the game settings, there should be one checkbox for record gameplay to file or somesuch to that effect, click that and it will start saving your game replays to lil ~500kb files in the WOT/Replay folder.

[Stormscion]

it does stack up pretty fast tho
i deleted almost 1.5 gigs of replays so delete it periodically ( month or two ).

[sokken]

Indeed. I like to keep the replays folder open when i play and immediately tab out and drop the replay in a subfolder if its one i want to keep.

[Dahak]

Indeed. I like to keep the replays folder open when i play and immediately tab out and drop the replay in a subfolder if its one i want to keep.

Same here, although I've started getting lazy and missed out on a few.

[Qui Shon]

it does stack up pretty fast tho
i deleted almost 1.5 gigs of replays so delete it periodically ( month or two ).

Heh, I have 259mb today, and I've yet to delete any.

[Xiang Jiao]

Mediums tier 1-5 are terrible, the AMX 13 75 is pretty good. The gun is is a bit low in the damage department tho.

That's unfortunate to hear as I just starting grinding the medium line last night. At least tier 6 and 7 in this line are considered good Frenchy fun because I've always felt that this is the WoT "sweet spot" for players that don't buy gold for premium accounts.

[Dogbeast]

it does stack up pretty fast tho
i deleted almost 1.5 gigs of replays so delete it periodically ( month or two ).

Heh, I have 259mb today, and I've yet to delete any.

I made 2 folders inside the Replays folder for all of the good ones and the ones from UC. Delete the extraneous as needed.

[High Sierra]

how do you replay those tiny upload videos?
windows 7 doesnt seem to recognise the file


also the way to think about the french tiers is this:

Tier 1- 5ish: pre war doctrine and design

their 5 ish and above: post war after they learned so very painful lessons about tank doctrine and design

[Xiang Jiao]

They are played with the WoT EXE itself. If your OS doesn't recognize the file association, tell it to open the file with the World of Tanks application. It doesn't seem to work if the client is already running. When the replay is over, hit ESC and the game will close. I'd like to see a replay "theater" included in the game where you can manage, share and watch them while waiting around in game or perhaps even the WoT website. It would be nice if people could put together a greatest hits collection for other players to watch, and it also could be a useful tool in clan recruiting.

[Qui Shon]

They could start with a damn rewind button.

[Corwyna]

They could start with a damn rewind button.
Devs did say it is first version and it will be improved. Hopefully they deliver.

[sahtila]

Gun chart with reload times etc:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AtlZgJS90-VIdHc0bE5aRHRCTWNpc1doaEhpcnU4YXc&single=true&gid=0&output=html

[theBlind]

Gun chart with reload times etc:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AtlZgJS90-VIdHc0bE5aRHRCTWNpc1doaEhpcnU4YXc&single=true&gid=0&output=html

Ah, handy. Thanks!

[cerui]

Quite useful info

[MicrosoftSam]

My best so far.


Victory!
Battle: Himmelsdorf terça-feira, 17 de Janeiro de 2012 17:38:16
Vehicle: AMX 13 75
Experience received: 1.765
Credits received: 39.856

Overall I like this tank, much like I enjoyed the amx 12t, but MM likes to tell me to fuck off quite often. Being in games where t95 is ranked as the 12th tank is a pita.

[Skraeling]

Figure ill add in what ive found so far.

FRENCH HEAVIES
Mostly shit so far. D2 is kinda fun but the bdr is a worse kv. You will get takeh apart by anything yiur tier that spots you. Arl is also shit. Slow no armor less hp than other tier 6. The gun while having great pen nas zero accuracy, pathetic reload speed, horrid aim time and low damage.

Im still on the Arl.

FRENCH MEDIUMS
Utter horrors tier 1-4 so far. Skip them. Stuck on the rubber ducky amx40. Fuck this line till tier v.

[mewninn]

god fucking damn. I just wasted an E-100 down from 1700 hp by myself with the amx 100. He tried cresting a hill to get at me figuring "lol easy one shot frencie" and I tracked him and then put 5 more in his unangled under plate before he could repair.

There's no way this wont be nerfed

edit -

Draw
Battle: Redshire Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:13:48 PM
Vehicle: AMX 50 100
Experience received: 1,147
Credits received: 39,283

[cerui]

Considering the amount of high tier games I get put into in the BDR I was surprised when I was top of the pack, and lo and behold I managed to do something.

Victory!
Battle: Siegfried Line 19. janúar 2012 02:54:38
Vehicle: BDR G1B
Experience received: 2.588 (x2 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 28.345
Battle Achievements: Top Gun, Reaper


@mewninn And then some some troller puts a he through your sides or rear and you cry. They are good when used correctly, but alas I see wayyy too many players try to use the high tier frenchies like the other high tier tanks, for example a amx 50 100 tried to engage my e-75 frontally at some range, sure you have a revolver but if it doesn't penetrate it doesn't matter how many bloody rounds you can pump out in 15 or 20 seconds.

[Xiang Jiao]

FRENCH MEDIUMS
Utter horrors tier 1-4 so far. Skip them. Stuck on the rubber ducky amx40. Fuck this line till tier v.

I'm waiting for TDs then, I don't need four tiers of shit to sift though.

[Tordin Varglund]

dobal post

[Tordin Varglund]

*Researched
Bat Chatillon 25 t researched.
Undistributed experience spent 178*090. Free Experience spent 0.

Final score:

http://i41.tinypic.com/6yeg42.jpg

Already LOVING the Bat Chat.

Seriously this thing is AMAZING.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2psrnkp.jpg

Only issue (as you can see) is that it runs out of ammo waaaay to quickly.

[Dogbeast]

Every game where I see a canister-type French tank at the top of the enemy roster, I just want to give up.

[Xiang Jiao]

Wasn't there talk of future equipment or crew skill that added ammo capacity? It must have been a crew skill because I remember was thinking it would be possible (roleplay-wise) by making more efficient use of compartment space. Could be good with tanks like the BatShit (my name for it) and Chaffee.

17 Top Guns, 46 Snipers, 2 Defenders, and 2 Confeds with 6 Wittmann's... with the Lorraine alone?

[Corwyna]

17 Top Guns, 46 Snipers, 2 Defenders, and 2 Confeds with 6 Wittmann's... with the Lorraine alone?
Ya, he is hax. I think hax is WoT expression for good player. Every time enemy wants to congratulate you on your skills they yell "HAX! HAX!"

But srs, Tordin, you are fucking insane. I think I have 6 Boelters total.

[MicrosoftSam]

Regarding the title and having just obtained a 13 90. They're gonna nerf this nation's vehicles - there's simply no denying.

The first four tiers are shit. Everyone seems to agree on that, but I can't help but think I should not be raping a t44 in my 13 75. And with the 13 90 it becomes even easier.
If you plat with someone in a 1375 or 1390 the amount of damage you put out is crazy.

At this point I firmly believe the QQ will start in the forums as more and more people get the tier 7s and above.

I've also been getting the heavy line and I was wondering, for people with the 50B, you have to outmaneuver other tier10s/9s as if you go head on you'll lose a bunch of hp - do you always count on someone else to be a "meatshield" so you can engage more or less freely? And if so, is this behavior frequent (actually having a meatshield to rely on)?

[untilted]

Regarding the title and having just obtained a 13 90. They're gonna nerf this nation's vehicles - there's simply no denying.

The first four tiers are shit. Everyone seems to agree on that, but I can't help but think I should not be raping a t44 in my 13 75.
that must be one shit t-44 then.

because DPM and penetration are on-par with the chaffee. while speed is better on the AMX the mobility in close quarters is far better on the chaffee. they also have the same MM (tho' the AMX 13 75 doesn't see battle tier 13 unlike end-of-line tier 5 lights)


And with the 13 90 it becomes even easier.
then you should realize that the AMX 13 90 has the same tier spread as a tier 9 heavy/TD. it's a specialized vehicle for t9+ matches. people complaining about their tiger getting killed by an AMX 13 90, don't realize that this light is less of a problem (because it's supposed to be in these t9/10 matches) than the fubar'd MM that puts lower tier tanks far too often into high tier matches.

[Jindo Minian]

The French tanks are fine. You get punished for 5 tiers before you even get something good, you deserve a bit of a reward for that.
Also who the hell fears a French tank? Absolutely none of them are hard to kill. Sure if you are out in the open and get caught by an Autoloader and miss or fuck up your first shot and they have the firepower to kill you with one cartridge then yes, you will die.
But if they can't for whatever reason, you have a minimum of 18 seconds to do what you want with them and there is absolutely nothing they can do about it aside from being French and running away.
Also why shouldn't you rape a T-44 in a AMX 13 75? If he's dumb enough to let you then you deserve everything you get. Especially considering he could just turn his front to you and kill you in 2-3 shots while you can't hurt him anymore.

[Straight Hustlin]

I've also been getting the heavy line and I was wondering, for people with the 50B, you have to outmaneuver other tier10s/9s as if you go head on you'll lose a bunch of hp - do you always count on someone else to be a "meatshield" so you can engage more or less freely? And if so, is this behavior frequent (actually having a meatshield to rely on)?

Can't speak from personal experience on the 50b as I'm going down the medium line, but the other night on Murovank in a 2x Tier 10 game, starting on the north side our Maus & 50b (platooned up) totally dominated the western valley, think they had 8 or 9 kills between the two of the. Granted they had some help from arty and few people in the middle who punished anyone who try to go over the hill and flank our T10's.

But yeah using a Meatshield is about the best thing you can do with these frenchies. Tiger P is especially awesome for this shit if the driver isnt retarded & realizes what your trying to do & helps facilitate it.

[MicrosoftSam]

I'm sorry Untilted and Jindo. I think I didn't express myself too well there :P Let me try again.

What I was trying to convey is that imo it feels a bit punishing for other mediums and even heavies in some cases. If they overextend or get overconfident ever so slightly, you unload 1440 damage. Speaking about t44s and ty59s (the most common meds I face on the US server), the 13 90 does come out ahead almost every time, unless a heavy also gets a shot off.

I don't agree with t8s roflstomping anything below them but I'm not sure if I agree with the ease you drop these guys if they extend and 1v1 you.

Having said that and now that I'm reflecting a bit more on this, it's all you can really do as a 1390 anyway, since the reload is a bit atrocious (I'm expecting the lorraine/batchat to be even worse) and you will _surely_ die if the opponent does not. Hum, must play more but in any case, for those who haven't yet, the 12t->13 series is great fun! Some of the best fun I've had in this game. :)

[Tordin Varglund]

Bat Chat has 35 sec reload. Lorraine 49.

AMX 13 90 is awesome. Lorraine is not. Bat is basically an AMX 13 100.

[Xiang Jiao]

Just started trying to move up the ranks in the light/medium French tree. So far, I'm 3 for my first 12 games with 7 kills, four of them coming in one game that I lost in the H35. These tanks are beyond terrible. A tier 2 light that barely goes 20 km/h on a flat surface yet bounces almost nothing? I played the Tetrarch a couple times, too, and so far I'm 2 for 2 with 3 kills. I only survived with the Tetrarch in a battle, once.I know this is a small sample size in all, but the difference is night and day between French and Premium in this case.

[Dogbeast]

I want to get out of the tier 1-4 French tanks ASAP, but I do not want to use free experience for that purpose...

What to do...

[Skraeling]

I want to get out of the tier 1-4 French tanks ASAP, but I do not want to use free experience for that purpose...

What to do...

do it anyway.. save yourself the fucking torture.

omg the 12t... about 3k years better than the amx40.

[Fachiri]

Defeat
Battle: Malinovka Thursday, January 19, 2012 5:03:50 PM
Vehicle: AMX M4(1945)
Experience received: 195
Credits received: 10,459

First round in it, totally off to a good start here.



I want to get out of the tier 1-4 French tanks ASAP, but I do not want to use free experience for that purpose...

What to do...

do it anyway.. save yourself the fucking torture.

[High Sierra]

Just started trying to move up the ranks in the light/medium French tree. So far, I'm 3 for my first 12 games with 7 kills, four of them coming in one game that I lost in the H35. These tanks are beyond terrible. A tier 2 light that barely goes 20 km/h on a flat surface yet bounces almost nothing? I played the Tetrarch a couple times, too, and so far I'm 2 for 2 with 3 kills. I only survived with the Tetrarch in a battle, once.I know this is a small sample size in all, but the difference is night and day between French and Premium in this case.

everything french below Tier V is pre war design, pre war tank doctrine.

everything over Tier V is post war.


The French learned a fucking hard lesson in WWII. the AMX40 with the 75mm is kind of bearable (but still fucking awful) since you will bounce alot of hits, but seems to be a looong grind to the AMX 12t

[Xiang Jiao]

I got Confederate with the Hotchkiss. I think I've reached the pinnacle of domination in this tank. Time to move on to the next piece of shit. Yeah, I see what you're saying, High. Tier V and up look so much different than the lower tiers, and hopefully play a lot different as well.

[Al Simmons]

*Researched
Bat Chatillon 25 t researched.
Undistributed experience spent 178*090. Free Experience spent 0.

Final score:

http://i41.tinypic.com/6yeg42.jpg

Wait, you have 71% victories with the Lorraine and you've been whining for days about how it's the "worst tank ever omg I hate this piece of shit waaaaa". The fuck.

[zergl]

*Researched
Bat Chatillon 25 t researched.
Undistributed experience spent 178*090. Free Experience spent 0.

Final score:

http://i41.tinypic.com/6yeg42.jpg

Wait, you have 71% victories with the Lorraine and you've been whining for days about how it's the "worst tank ever omg I hate this piece of shit waaaaa". The fuck.

Hello. You must be new to Tordin's expectations of a good tank.

[Xiang Jiao]

I got a chuckle out of that, also, when I saw the screen shot. He never said that he didn't know how to play it well, he just despised how he had to play it to win most of the time. I find the survival rate of almost 50% to be a little intimidating.

[Jindo Minian]

Surviving is for pussies.

[Dogbeast]

So, I was talking with a friend who plays a high tier French heavy, and he mentioned something that kinda struck me.

When going into fights, he tries to go in ass-end first. Around a corner, hiding in a bush, or ninja'ing around people...he attempts to do it all in reverse. He pops out, shoot his canister into the enemy, then puts his tank on full burn to GTFO. He reasons that since the tank will not bounce anything, there is no real purpose to trying to use your frontal hull armor. Instead, since the tank has good acceleration and top speed in forwards vs reverse (It's a French tank. It had to be mentioned!) he would use that advantage to GTFO. And if the enemy is still alive or other tanks are in the area, he would need the speed to escape his pursuers.

His method makes sense...but the idea of intentionally exposing your ass to the enemy...:ohnoes:

Anyone else try this?

[Tordin Varglund]

Another reason is that the gun is located to the rear of your hull, which means you are effectively exposing less of yourself. Also, the engine is in the front and is easily damaged.

[Saman Ayan]

Only the AMX 12t, 13's and BatChat 25t have turret at back. Heavies are either at front or in middle. I do the same with AMX 13 75, the reverse speed is decent at 20 or something but forward's still better.

When ammoracked, are autoloader and magazine loading both affected or just the magazine? Haven't been ammoracked yet, so just wondering.

[Tordin Varglund]

Only reloading the mag is affected.

[sahtila]

So, I was talking with a friend who plays a high tier French heavy, and he mentioned something that kinda struck me.

When going into fights, he tries to go in ass-end first. Around a corner, hiding in a bush, or ninja'ing around people...he attempts to do it all in reverse. He pops out, shoot his canister into the enemy, then puts his tank on full burn to GTFO. He reasons that since the tank will not bounce anything, there is no real purpose to trying to use your frontal hull armor. Instead, since the tank has good acceleration and top speed in forwards vs reverse (It's a French tank. It had to be mentioned!) he would use that advantage to GTFO. And if the enemy is still alive or other tanks are in the area, he would need the speed to escape his pursuers.

His method makes sense...but the idea of intentionally exposing your ass to the enemy...:ohnoes:

Anyone else try this?

Yes but it fails when playing corner games... its ok when just sniping and then running straight away, but if one is constantly turning and repositioning to shoot behind corner/ridge, having controls working opposite of normal makes it hard to play naturally. Its doable but movement do not come naturally. Hard to explain but try it. Also even though front is is weak, its still better armored than back and also much better sloped. Getting now and then hostile shoots bounce of front armor, last night bounced even t30.

[Jindo Minian]

Speaking of, can someone post a really good game in a BatChat.
I want to see how it plays.
Also the AMX 50 120 if anyone has it.

I want them...so badly.

[helgur]

Just started trying to move up the ranks in the light/medium French tree. So far, I'm 3 for my first 12 games with 7 kills, four of them coming in one game that I lost in the H35. These tanks are beyond terrible. A tier 2 light that barely goes 20 km/h on a flat surface yet bounces almost nothing? I played the Tetrarch a couple times, too, and so far I'm 2 for 2 with 3 kills. I only survived with the Tetrarch in a battle, once.I know this is a small sample size in all, but the difference is night and day between French and Premium in this case.

everything french below Tier V is pre war design, pre war tank doctrine.

everything over Tier V is post war.


The French learned a fucking hard lesson in WWII. the AMX40 with the 75mm is kind of bearable (but still fucking awful) since you will bounce alot of hits, but seems to be a looong grind to the AMX 12t

Actually the French tanks outclassed their German counterparts during the invasion of France, reason they got mutilated was because of inferior doctrines and luftwaffe having free reigns and ganking them nonstop

[Yankunytjatjara]

Actually the French tanks outclassed their German counterparts during the invasion of France, reason they got mutilated was because of inferior doctrines and luftwaffe having free reigns and ganking them nonstop

And let's not forget the whole lol belgians, pawned thing, to be fair.


Bat Chat has 35 sec reload. Lorraine 49.

AMX 13 90 is awesome. Lorraine is not. Bat is basically an AMX 13 100.

Does this mean that it shares the same (lack of) elevation? It's always a bit frustrating to be unable to aim up when your tank is slightly inclined downwards.

[sahtila]

Actually the French tanks outclassed their German counterparts during the invasion of France, reason they got mutilated was because of inferior doctrines and luftwaffe having free reigns and ganking them nonstop

And one men turrets in French tanks where tank commander had to aim and load gun, lead tank and communicate with friendlies giving him impossible workload... even two men turrets in first t-34 versions did give it big disadvantage. Dont thing this is modeled in WoT anywhere, well lower view range could be seen as partly because of this.

[Tordin Varglund]

Victory!
Battle: Malinovka 20. januar 2012 15:26:57
Vehicle: Bat Chatillon 25 t
Experience received: 2*065
Credits received: 68*127
Battle Achievements: Steel Wall, Top Gun

not every day.

[dzajic]

Gratz. Steel Wall... I have no words.

[Alistair]

I've been sticking around and watching alot of rounds lately, rather than going striat to next battle, and the high-tier French Light (not sure the name) seems to be amazingly good. Fast as hell, gun that does solid damage (watched one three shot a Type 59 head on, my Lowe can't even seem to do that), and appears to be a total blast to play.

[Skraeling]

Ive been sticking around too in matches and on a side note. Ive observed people just making beyond retarded decisions or just playing like they are freaking bots... unable to aim seem to just kind of have that :derp: mode going on.

only one out of the handful I watched... had a win rate above 50%.

[helgur]

I am not surprised. When doing hardcore grinding I sometimes tend to go a bit on autopilot myself

[Xiang Jiao]

So, I was talking with a friend who plays a high tier French heavy, and he mentioned something that kinda struck me.

When going into fights, he tries to go in ass-end first. Around a corner, hiding in a bush, or ninja'ing around people...he attempts to do it all in reverse. He pops out, shoot his canister into the enemy, then puts his tank on full burn to GTFO. He reasons that since the tank will not bounce anything, there is no real purpose to trying to use your frontal hull armor. Instead, since the tank has good acceleration and top speed in forwards vs reverse (It's a French tank. It had to be mentioned!) he would use that advantage to GTFO. And if the enemy is still alive or other tanks are in the area, he would need the speed to escape his pursuers.

His method makes sense...but the idea of intentionally exposing your ass to the enemy...:ohnoes:

Anyone else try this?

I used to do this with certain tanks when peeking over the hill in A2-3 on El Halluf. It's difficult to manage if you don't have much gun depression because you want to expose as little of yourself as possible. I enjoyed doing it with the Jumbo Sherman, derping tanks in the face and then scooting away down the hill before they could shoot me in the ass. Some of my best Jumbo games were on El Halluf. Too bad this was before replays. I'd like to relive the thrills.

[Vortex]

Got into the AMX 12t today. The AMX 40 made me want to kill myself it was so painful to play, but the 12t somehow manages to make the grind all worthwhile. Autloaders are amazing, and this tank is amazing. Can't wait to get into the higher tier tanks where it gets even better. :D

[Xiang Jiao]

Got into the AMX 12t today. The AMX 40 made me want to kill myself it was so painful to play, but the 12t somehow manages to make the grind all worthwhile. Autloaders are amazing, and this tank is amazing. Can't wait to get into the higher tier tanks where it gets even better. :D

Is AMX 40 better than or worse than AMX 38? Now here's tank that's truly worthless. It can't get away from anything, it can't pen anything, and almost everything else can pen it above tier 1 except for itself. And if you do manage to pen anything, you get a zero damage crit for your troubles. Great recipe for a tank! The 12t gets the autoloader? I seem to remember from the test server that the lights got it starting at tier 6.

[Vortex]

Got into the AMX 12t today. The AMX 40 made me want to kill myself it was so painful to play, but the 12t somehow manages to make the grind all worthwhile. Autloaders are amazing, and this tank is amazing. Can't wait to get into the higher tier tanks where it gets even better. :D

Is AMX 40 better than or worse than AMX 38? Now here's tank that's truly worthless. It can't get away from anything, it can't pen anything, and almost everything else can pen it above tier 1 except for itself. Great recipe for a tank! The 12t gets the autoloader? I seem to remember from the test server that the lights got it starting at tier 6.

AMX 38 was at least a fast grind due to the low XP requirement to the AMX 40. It also doesn't get as bad MM, so its usually facing tanks =< tier 5. AMX 40 sees up to tier 8, with lots and lots of the game being full of tier 5 and 6 tanks. The top 75mm gun has decent pen and damage, but shiiiiiit cycle time and accuracy, making your damage output completely atrocious. Plus, your max speed under your own engine power is 15kmh, with hill climbing at around 8kmh. Stock KVs will outrun you. The amx 40 simply can't contribute to the game at all, not even as a bullet sponge due to its horrific slowness and terrible MM tiering.

12t does start off with the autoloader. Penetration sucks until you get the upgraded gun though, and even then you'll have penetration penning most tanks you'll fight in the front. Thankfully, it doesn't have much problems on the flank. Its like a Pz3/4, but with a non-shit gun and 1/3 the vehicle size so you can actually dodge shots! ^_^

[Gorrm]

Absolutely no elevation or depression though. Does it improve at all in the amx 13 series, or should I just suck it up and learn to live without shooting on hills?

Edit: Alright, wow, I'm liking this tank. Only upgrade I have so far is the first gun, and damn does it kick ass.

Victory!
Battle: Himmelsdorf Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:27:46 PM
Vehicle: AMX 12t
Experience received: 3,038 (x2 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 34,920
Battle Achievements: Master Gunner, Sharpshooter, Sniper

[Corwyna]

Absolutely no elevation or depression though. Does it improve at all in the amx 13 series, or should I just suck it up and learn to live without shooting on hills?

Edit: Alright, wow, I'm liking this tank. Only upgrade I have so far is the first gun, and damn does it kick ass.

Victory!
Battle: Himmelsdorf Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:27:46 PM
Vehicle: AMX 12t
Experience received: 3,038 (x2 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 34,920
Battle Achievements: Master Gunner, Sharpshooter, Sniper
Next one actually have elevation of the gun. Even 12t is not bad (when you fight on flat surfaces :P )

[SteeleResolve]

Don't get me wrong, I hate my AMX 40, but I have been chuckling during this grind at how much shit it bounces - face to face with a SU-85, he didnt pen once, i 3/4 shotted him. Bet he was raging.

Also:

EXTERMINATE!

http://www.veryicon.com/icon/png/Movie%20%26%20TV/Doctor%20Who/Dalek.png

[Corwyna]

Don't get me wrong, I hate my AMX 40, but I have been chuckling during this grind at how much shit it bounces - face to face with a SU-85, he didnt pen once, i 3/4 shotted him. Bet he was raging.

Also:

EXTERMINATE!

http://www.veryicon.com/icon/png/Movie%20%26%20TV/Doctor%20Who/Dalek.png

What AMX 40 has to do with KV-5?

[Vortex]

AMX 13 75 is sooo goooood...... By far my favorite tank in the game so far.

[Mr Marram]

AMX 13 75 is sooo goooood...... By far my favorite tank in the game so far.

You will love the 13 90 then, it gets into similar matches due to 'T7 light' but had a much better gun, the Lorraine will induce rage because :bricksponge:

[halka]

AMX 13 75 is sooo goooood...... By far my favorite tank in the game so far.

You will love the 13 90 then, it gets into similar matches due to 'T7 light' but had a much better gun, the Lorraine will induce rage because :bricksponge:
I only ever get tier 9 and 10 games in AMX 13 90, AMX 13 75 even gets the occasional tier 7 match, which I would not exactly call 'similar'. But even though I would rage at this sort of matchmaking in any other vehicle, the 13 90 makes them fun.

[Lief Siddhe]

I hate to shit in everyone's cookies, but seriously, they will have to nerf the RoF on frenchies a little bit, imho.

[Yankunytjatjara]

AMX 13 75 is sooo goooood...... By far my favorite tank in the game so far.

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I hate to shit in everyone's cookies, but seriously, they will have to nerf the RoF on frenchies a little bit, imho.

Yeh ;( although we all know that the armor is lol, the combination speed+firepower makes them get better win ratios in randoms because they're used by people who gets how to use them and the retards aren't on them yet... WG balances by stats, so either we all start to fail on purpose to drop the stats, or they're going to get nerfbatted :(

[halka]

As I've already got negrepped once for my comment stating "you need to start sucking more" (with Chaffee being discussed at the time), I hereby refrain from any such statements.

[hXc]

As I've already got negrepped once for my comment stating "you need to start sucking more"
lol

ontopic: amx 13 75 is ok, but it has no acceleration and I still didn't get used to the lack of gun elevation. I wouldn't call it op though, or nerf needing. it's just ok

[Straight Hustlin]

As I've already got negrepped once for my comment stating "you need to start sucking more"
lol

ontopic: amx 13 75 is ok, but it has no acceleration and I still didn't get used to the lack of gun elevation. I wouldn't call it op though, or nerf needing. it's just ok

I find it kind of odd that it has shitty acceleration & high top speed when it has a diesel engine, you would expect the exact opposite.

[Dahak]

Still driving the ARL, I forgot how badly the matchmaker screwed tier 6 heavies.

[Yankunytjatjara]

I find it kind of odd that it has shitty acceleration & high top speed when it has a diesel engine, you would expect the exact opposite.

wat

Have you tried both IRL?

[Eshnala]

Finaly i have the AMX 50 100 and i already love it, so much fun to play! You cant realy tank anything or take stuff head on, but if you do treat it like a medium tank, its realy awesome :)

[Waagaa]

I find it kind of odd that it has shitty acceleration & high top speed when it has a diesel engine, you would expect the exact opposite.

wat

Have you tried both IRL?

Diesel tends to have more torque.

[SteeleResolve]

As I've already got negrepped once for my comment stating "you need to start sucking more"
lol

ontopic: amx 13 75 is ok, but it has no acceleration and I still didn't get used to the lack of gun elevation. I wouldn't call it op though, or nerf needing. it's just ok

I find it kind of odd that it has shitty acceleration & high top speed when it has a diesel engine, you would expect the exact opposite.

Torque != BHP

[Eshnala]

As I've already got negrepped once for my comment stating "you need to start sucking more"
lol

ontopic: amx 13 75 is ok, but it has no acceleration and I still didn't get used to the lack of gun elevation. I wouldn't call it op though, or nerf needing. it's just ok

I find it kind of odd that it has shitty acceleration & high top speed when it has a diesel engine, you would expect the exact opposite.

Torque != BHP

more torque = better acceleration, more bhp = more top speed usualy

[Straight Hustlin]

As I've already got negrepped once for my comment stating "you need to start sucking more"
lol

ontopic: amx 13 75 is ok, but it has no acceleration and I still didn't get used to the lack of gun elevation. I wouldn't call it op though, or nerf needing. it's just ok

I find it kind of odd that it has shitty acceleration & high top speed when it has a diesel engine, you would expect the exact opposite.

Torque != BHP

more torque = better acceleration, more bhp = more top speed usualy

Thank you