The Old Republic (better than DayZ)

[Loganbacca]

Yea, got a reactivate for free for the weekend email... nope.

If they extend the current class stories out a chapter and goes free to play I might return to continue my bounty hunter story a bit further. For now though, yea, no real motivation to play the game.

Wish they'd made KOTOR 3.

[Winged Nazgul]

Got an email today...


You are one of our most active and valued high level players and we know you have been waiting patiently for Game Update 1.2: Legacy. To show our appreciation, check out all the great new features this update has to offer-on us. We will be adding an additional 30 days of game time to your account at no charge*.

:notsureifserious:

Email route checks.. well... are EA/BW getting desperate?

They're getting desperate.

http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20120412-1


A SPECIAL GIFT FOR OUR LEVEL 50 PLAYERS – 30 DAYS OF PLAY TIME ON US!

As a thanks for being one of our most valued players, every active account with a Level 50 character as of April 12th, 2012 at 12:00PM CDT / 5:00PM GMT, will receive thirty (30) days of game time** in appreciation for your support and loyalty.

In order to receive your thirty (30) days of game time, you must meet the following requirements by April 12th, 2012, at 12:00PM CDT / 5:00PM GMT:

You must have purchased the game and redeemed an official Game Product Registration Code at the Code Redemption Center.
You must have signed up for a recurring subscription using a valid payment method OR redeemed a Game Time Code.
You must have at least one level 50 character.
Your account must not be banned.

[Sirial Soulfly]

Wake me up when it goes f2p.

[Rachag]

Wake me up when it goes f2p.

Got the email for 7 days and i'll have to agree with you, this game definately needs free server transfers (Rift has spolied me so much).

[Selb]

apparently even the game hates the new patch. 1.2 features such as the guild bank, new flashpoint, new legacy vendors, and new zone have all disappeared, servers have just gone down for unscheduled maintenance

[noobcake]

Only a matter of time before F2P then?

They'll announce going f2p sometime before September, calling it now.

sorry, i called this on like...page 40

Also...1.2 patch is approaching boot.ini patch levels. They accidentally all the new features with this mornings "hotfix" patch...servers wont be up for another 4 or 5 hours, bringing this downtime today to a whopping 13-14 hours. All for a patch that had TWO FUCKING NOTES.

[bundus]

Yeah I couldnt click on any pvp vendors for a bit, but "luckily" you can hold 2000 comms now and medals are ridiculously easy to get.
But yes Squad broken. I tried configuring my UI to have four bars down the bottom but I don't think I can.

[Space Panda]

haha i'm so mad. i put some stims in the guild bank and then errything went poof. this jesus patch isn't working out so well.

but on a lighter note, i think the new warzone is pretty cool. it has an open feel to it that the other warzones lack. the tracer missile "nerf" is hardly a nerf, and anyone crying about it must be pretty pretty bad. the new grind is pretty intense, but it's easy as fuck to get battlemaster gear, at least. word on the street is the new operation is pretty tough as well.

also it's great not playing fucking huttball over and over, especially since voidstar can be played against your own faction. huttball is now a nice change of pace, and i found myself desiring to play it after so many voidstars and civil wars.

the #1 annoying thing about 1.2 is the fucking ambient noise that occurs on fleet. it's like a god damned f22 engine was placed inside my head, at max throttle. dunno how this got past testing because it's straight up horrible.

[TheManFromDelmonte]

Somewhere in this thread is someone who wasn't sure I was serious when I said I'd wait for f2p.
After trying the free weekend I'm not even bothered if it does become free.

[Space Panda]

if they do implement f2p, they'll probably pull a world of tanks and reduce your xp gained or something if you aren't sub'd. that would be so miserable.

[Jolin]

They'll go f2p and you don't get voice overs if you aren't subbed. That'll show everyone!

[Trindermon]

very glad the ranked warzone didnt get added just yet. It would have been fucking RETARDED to split up the cues further than already (10-49, 50) when some servers are struggling to get games; personally i am of the opinion that these should not go in untill cross server cues are implmented.

[noobcake]

very glad the ranked warzone didnt get added just yet. It would have been fucking RETARDED to split up the cues further than already (10-49, 50) when some servers are struggling to get games; personally i am of the opinion that these should not go in untill cross server cues are implmented.

They just need to start consolidating servers

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[Tyrehl]

Damn, am i not happy with the interface customization options. Compared to WoW its shit but after playing with a terrible UI for months im in :THIS SO AWESOME: mode :) The fuckup yesterday was big, we had to cancel a HM operation. Thank god the Bioware PR team is on the move, damage control engaged.
Last night I finished doing some graphs and stuff (http://i.imgur.com/Wvl5N.png) for the first encounter in the new operation, the other encounters arent anything really complicated but they will test our coordination and situational awareness to a test. I'll have to depend on 2 other people to move in on time and prevent a nasty debuff from being applied on me. Depending on others, I dont like this for some reason :D

[noobcake]

Damn, am i not happy with the interface customization options. Compared to WoW its shit but after playing with a terrible UI for months im in :THIS SO AWESOME: mode :) The fuckup yesterday was big, we had to cancel a HM operation. Thank god the Bioware PR team is on the move, damage control engaged.
Last night I finished doing some graphs and stuff (http://i.imgur.com/Wvl5N.png) for the first encounter in the new operation, the other encounters arent anything really complicated but they will test our coordination and situational awareness to a test. I'll have to depend on 2 other people to move in on time and prevent a nasty debuff from being applied on me. Depending on others, I dont like this for some reason :D

the new Op is too hard for the loot that it drops.

[Zoidberg]

They'll go f2p and you don't get voice overs if you aren't subbed. That'll show everyone!

I think paying the TOR equivalent to Aurum for single voiced sentences would work out better.

[TheManFromDelmonte]

They'll go f2p and you don't get voice overs if you aren't subbed. That'll show everyone!

They could charge extra for pressing space to skip them.

[Sandzibar]

They'll go f2p and you don't get voice overs if you aren't subbed. That'll show everyone!

They could charge extra for pressing space to skip them.

genius!

[Maximillian]

Unsubbed tonight after spending 1.5 hours trying to jump up a pile of crates only to fall off the pipe once I made it. The controls are simply shit for anything fine, you can't really look down and I decided I no longer gave a fuck as I was over jumping in star wars games as far back as Dark Forces. Some plague or something was happening but no one gave a shit.

What they seem to have created is a mediocre single player game and a shitty MMO for more than it cost to make Avatar. Shame as I wanted a good causal MMO. Seems I'll now have to wait for GW2 and/or Mechwarrior Online (and pray they don't fuck it up too).

[lt]

So my friend who plays this didn't believe me when I implied that the free month were a desperate effort to keep subscribers, is there actual proof of subs diving, or is this just speculation?

[Winged Nazgul]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/168878/Star_Wars_The_Old_Republic_sub_numbers_already_dec lining__analyst.php

[bundus]

So my friend who plays this didn't believe me when I implied that the free month were a desperate effort to keep subscribers, is there actual proof of subs diving, or is this just speculation?

No actual proof.
The month is to waive angst over forever downtime fuckups on patchings.
And maximillian you spent an hour doing that? sobad

[Aramendel]

Obviously the is no proof - the only actual proof can come from EA themselves and releasing that information would very likely only cause even more people to leave.

[spasm]

People have been making graphs about various indicators to prove subscriptions are declining (amount of people in chat, low/high/full server status, etc etc). They've all been dropping since the game was released. I can't be arsed to look for them but I know they exist.

[noobcake]

http://beta.xfire.com/games/swtor

lol check out the peak right as 1.2 released...and then that massive fucking valley immediately after. SWTOR to go F2P before the year is out :nostradamus:

[Tyrehl]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/168878/Star_Wars_The_Old_Republic_sub_numbers_already_dec lining__analyst.php

"We believe that the apparent decline in subscribers is most likely due to a lack of 'end-game' content for the title, meaning that players who hit the level cap have few compelling options in terms of ongoing game play," he noted.


Yeah, talk about pulling shit out of your ass. The new operation is fun. The game has many problems but the lack of content isn't really one of them (for now, I don't know how long it will take to release the next tier of operations and all the things they promised :soon:). But it really lacks in terms of PvP :/ I can understand if people are upset with the delaying of the rated warzones. If I was into pvp I would probably take a break as well.

[noobcake]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/168878/Star_Wars_The_Old_Republic_sub_numbers_already_dec lining__analyst.php

"We believe that the apparent decline in subscribers is most likely due to a lack of 'end-game' content for the title, meaning that players who hit the level cap have few compelling options in terms of ongoing game play," he noted.


Yeah, talk about pulling shit out of your ass. The new operation is fun.

Do you have any idea how ridiculously easy it is to gear up a progression group and then run Explosive conflict? Once the boss mechanics have been mastered, which alot of guilds already have, the content dries up. So yes, endgame content IS lacking for level 50 players. The decimation of Ilum, along with a no rated WZ is a huge letdown. If CCP had done something like this to eve, the mass unsubbing and bitching on this forum would be pretty good to watch. Despite what you might think, content for 50's is pretty pathetic.

And yes, I'm well aware i made a post about how the loot didnt scale well to the difficulty of Explosive conflict, but that was long before anyone had figured out the proper mechanics on how to beat the bosses. The loot still doesnt scale well, imo...but nevertheless, it's not as difficult to complete as people thought it was, and now we're back to square one--people not having much all to do once they finish all the 50 content, which can be done in 2 weeks time.

[Space Panda]

my guild has pretty much mastered the new operation, but one mistake and it's a wipe. the funny thing is the mistakes occur due to the shitty targeting system. on the 2nd boss, when you have to cover under the shields, some dumb fuck always misclicks or tabs, or gets auto target selected, and kills the shield, wiping the group. aside from this, it's pretty routine.

if they don't revitalize ilum, the game is going to suffer. i'm still having fun though, lol. trying to get all the silly speeders and attain valor 70.

edit: to their credit, the world event is pretty fun. we've been having a good time messing around on tatooine. it was pretty well implemented, aside from the space aids circle jerk on fleet (that i definitely use).

[Brullig]

my guild has pretty much mastered the new operation, but one mistake and it's a wipe. the funny thing is the mistakes occur due to the shitty targeting system. on the 2nd boss, when you have to cover under the shields, some dumb fuck always misclicks or tabs, or gets auto target selected, and kills the shield, wiping the group. aside from this, it's pretty routine.

if they don't revitalize ilum, the game is going to suffer. i'm still having fun though, lol. trying to get all the silly speeders and attain valor 70.

edit: to their credit, the world event is pretty fun. we've been having a good time messing around on tatooine. it was pretty well implemented, aside from the space aids circle jerk on fleet (that i definitely use).

Agree that the Plague event was pretty fun. My server even got some decent world PVP in the last 2-3 hours before server downtime as Empire and Republic battled for control of Jeelvic (the jawa vendor where you could cash in your event tokens) to get those last few crystals/companion customizations/pets. How often can they really do events like these, though?

Maybe Guild Wars 2 beta weekend will embarass them into accelerating their timeline for Ilum.

[evil edna]

this game dead yet?

[spasm]

this game dead yet?

Give it three months.

[Ishanda]

this game dead yet?

Give it until GW2 releases.

FYP

[Ishanda]

+1

(double post)

[Tyrehl]

How about you crawl back to your thread and shit some more there.

[Ishanda]

Touch a nerve?

Ed: Actually, to seem slightly less trollish. I played SWTOR up until about... well, 1.2's release. The lack of rated warzones really meant there was no reason for me or my guild to continue playing, and 90% of them (I'm not even joking) quit this last weekend ready for GW2.

[Tyrehl]

Touch a nerve?

Well, yes and no.


Ed: Actually, to seem slightly less trollish. I played SWTOR up until about... well, 1.2's release. The lack of rated warzones really meant there was no reason for me or my guild to continue playing, and 90% of them (I'm not even joking) quit this last weekend ready for GW2.

Agree. My guild is primarily PvE oriented, but prior to 1.2 we had a thread on our forums discussing eventual setups and people that would like to take part in this. Even for us (semi-casual/social, semi-hardcore guild) it was a big disappointment. End game pvp is retarded, at the moment im leveling 2 alts and im having loads of fun with some guildmates in low-lvl warzones. If they dont release cross-faction rated warzones soon, they will alienate even more players. Same if they fail to deliver more PvE content on time.

[Ishanda]

My guild was mostly pvp, we spent a lot of time theorycrafting the perfect 8man in preparation for 1.2 and then when we learnt we would be getting neither rated warzones or 8man premades everybody kinda deflated and either spent time derping around with lowbie alts or just straight giving up (like me).

[noobcake]

Haven't logged in in a week, but when I did tonight, there were half the usual number of people on planets, and the fleet. Kinda disappointing, but nothing no one here didn't predict.

This was such a promising game...now, just another game on the scrap heap

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[Space Panda]

Haven't logged in in a week, but when I did tonight, there were half the usual number of people on planets, and the fleet. Kinda disappointing, but nothing no one here didn't predict.

This was such a promising game...now, just another game on the scrap heap

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same thing over here. nobody came back once ranked warzones were delayed, and now my fleet is getting slimmer and slimmer. warzones are starting to take forever to pop, and it's always against the same people. nobody buys stuff from the gtn anymore either. it's fucking depressing.

i created a clone of myself on the fatman server, but honestly, fuck that.

[noobcake]

i created a clone of myself on the fatman server, but honestly, fuck that.

so did i...but the name i wanted was taken, so i went with noobcake. I played the first 10 levels and said "fuck this shit". I have 0 intentions of renewing my subscription, especially because so many people are speculating the game to go F2P before long.

[FatFreddy]

This was such a promising game...

:lol:

[Isyel]

This was such a promising game...

:lol:

uh, it was...

[Loire]

This was such a promising game...

:lol:

uh, it was...

A lot of us saw this coming years ago. I guess it depends on your definition of promising.

[Ruri]

To be fair I played in the beta events and it -was- fun, but it was clearly gimped by EA MONEY OVERLORDS forcing it's premature birth. If they'd had six months or a year to fix the graphics and get feedback on how to do proper PvP, it might be in a better position to sustain subs in between content patches. As it stands, well...

[Wrack]

Well, if you think of patch 1.2 as being what Bioware would have originally released if EA didn't rush them, it's still not a very good game.

[noobcake]

Well, if you think of patch 1.2 as being what Bioware would have originally released if EA didn't rush them, it's still not a very good game.

So true...alot of people expected so much more from 1.2, and it really didn't do much to bolster the game experience

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[Carlo Curiosus]

I'm still waiting for this game (http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/05/02) :p.

[Aramendel]

I'm still waiting for this game (http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/05/02) :p.

So according to PA Tera is fun? Mhhh....

[Nottheface]

I'm still waiting for this game (http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/05/02) :p.

So according to PA Tera is fun? Mhhh....

PA has really gone to shit...

[Ruri]

I'm still waiting for this game (http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/05/02) :p.

So according to PA Tera is fun? Mhhh....

PA has really gone to shit...

Right? It's like, they have the wrong opinion about what makes a video game fun to play, or something. Didn't they always used to have the right opinion? Man they were so much better back then.

[Nottheface]

No, they just used to actually be funny when doing it, whether I agreed wiyh their opinion or not.

[Space Panda]

they were always shit, just like any other game review site. they gotta get paid somehow. the only reviews i trust are the bitter tales told on this website.

[Paradox]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17989756

Says nothing we didn't already know (25% subscriber drop) but I thought it was strange that BBC news cares about it. Must be a slow news day.

[Isyel]

they were always shit, just like any other game review site. they gotta get paid somehow. the only reviews i trust are the bitter tales told on this website.

Just as untrustworthy, too much bitter to be able to enjoy any game properly :P

[Intigo]

gw2 is apparently not fun to play

you heard it on PA first

and yes, PA hasn't been fun for ages :|

[Sandzibar]

gw2 is apparently not fun to play

oh.. i must be broken then, as i had much fun with it :(

[noobcake]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17989756

Says nothing we didn't already know (25% subscriber drop) but I thought it was strange that BBC news cares about it. Must be a slow news day.

slow news day? more like, it's in the technology portion of the website.

But yeh, this really isnt a big shocker to any of us. The game is losing subscribers at a seemingly-increased rate the last month or two.

[noobcake]

from what alot of people are saying, 1.3 will NOT include ranked warzones. If this is the case, id imagine it'd be one of the final nails in the coffin...

[Sandzibar]

from what alot of people are saying, 1.3 will NOT include ranked warzones. If this is the case, id imagine it'd be one of the final nails in the coffin...

http://torboard.com/content.php?136-Patch-1-3-Details-group-finder-augment-table-legacy-perks

yep. the world needs more pve-centric mmos apparently.

[FatFreddy]

1 2 3 4 5 6
1 2 3 4 5 6
[...]

a fulfilling evening

[Isyel]

so many things way too late with this game... they could have saved it, but nooo, why would you do that...

[noobcake]

from what alot of people are saying, 1.3 will NOT include ranked warzones. If this is the case, id imagine it'd be one of the final nails in the coffin...

http://torboard.com/content.php?136-Patch-1-3-Details-group-finder-augment-table-legacy-perks

yep. the world needs more pve-centric mmos apparently.

so disappointing...

[Space Panda]

lo-fucking-l. 4 people on imperial fleet today. yeah, that's basically all i have to say about that.

[Winged Nazgul]

lo-fucking-l. 4 people on imperial fleet today. yeah, that's basically all i have to say about that.

Don't worry. Bioware believes a trial weekend will fix that.

[Tyrehl]

:psyduck:

[noobcake]

lo-fucking-l. 4 people on imperial fleet today. yeah, that's basically all i have to say about that.

Meanwhile, on Fatman....There's more people around the GTN than there are on most servers. Good work, Bioware!

http://i.imgur.com/KvG8q.jpg

[Space Panda]

i can't even get a god damned warzone. it's fucking hilarious. am i really going to use my fatman jump clone? dear god.

[noobcake]

i can't even get a god damned warzone. it's fucking hilarious. am i really going to use my fatman jump clone? dear god.

i just reserved names on fatman for all my characters on the currently-underpopulated server im sitting on with my mains....now im waiting for xfers to be available, hopefully before my sub runs out.

[VARRAKK]

SWTOR devs hint at mega-servers (http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/05/24/swtor-devs-hint-at-mega-servers/)


We saw this with DC Universe Online: when the population dropped below the level SOE was looking for, it decided to combine all the individual servers into a small group of mega-servers. The same thing could be a distinct possibility for Star Wars: The Old Republic.

Yesterday, we reported on PC Gamer's interview with Lead Game Designer Daniel Erickson. When asked if the new group finder would be cross-server, Erickson replied that it would be single-server because "we are coming up on a huge move to servers with massively higher population caps than we have today."

Of course, there are no details about these massive servers yet, but this quote does suggest that BioWare is looking for a critical-mass solution that is more than just simple character transfers. We will be sure to keep you abreast of the details as we inch closer to the launch of Update 1.3.

Source: PC Gamer Interview
More coverage: SWTOR Official website


lol

[Sandzibar]

cant we just let this thread die... like the game. :D

[blaad]

Every time I see new post in this thread I come in hope it's f2p already. :disappointed:

[Paradox]

Every time I see new post in this thread I come in hope it's f2p already. :disappointed:

This. Has anything been said by SOE or whatever about it or are they still soldiering on?

[Trindermon]

Every time I see new post in this thread I come in hope it's f2p already. :disappointed:

This. Has anything been said by SOE or whatever about it or are they still soldiering on?

rofl. :)

[noobcake]

So....The latest q & a with the devs states that 1.3 will include rated warzones. Too little, too late IMO.

Also, still not f2p :(

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[lt]

They had 1.000.000+ paying subs at last count and you believe they'll go f2p soon?! :psyduck:.

:TpTlk:

[bundus]

So as of yesterday Rockjaw is no longer with them.

[noobcake]

They had 1.000.000+ paying subs at last count and you believe they'll go f2p soon?! :psyduck:.

:TpTlk:

last count was sometime back in MARCH. You really should take a look at some of the servers that used to be busy. I'd say if theres 50 people on my main server, which used to be VERY HEAVY until right before 1.2, youd know what people are talking about.

Population is only staying steady on 2 or 3 servers. Fatman, Droogas, and a third one I cba to log in and check atm.

Anyone who thinks that the game still has 1m+ active subscribers is fucking nuts. Especially considering that by EA's own admission, their sub numbers were ~800k in March.

[Mavolio]

Anyone who thinks that the game still has 1m+ active subscribers is fucking nuts. Especially considering that by EA's own admission, their sub numbers were ~800k in March.

Didn't mmo-data report that EA had told them they were on 1.2million + at the start of may?

I cant check atm as the site appears to not want to load for some reason.

[Space Panda]

they had 1.3m "active" accounts, down 400k on the last report. active accounts is a loaded term. for instance, i'm technically active despite being unsubbed, and this is only because i bought a 6 month sub on release.

some people claim that they also count the people who received the free month as active, despite the fact that their subs ended and they are riding on the free time.

either way, as noobcake said, none of that hardly even matters. a quick look at the server populations shows very clearly that something is wrong.

[noobcake]

Didn't mmo-data report that EA had told them they were on 1.2million + at the start of may?

http://mmodata.blogspot.com/

last report of SWTOR numbers are on the site from March, and the site says this:


Sunday, March 11, 2012
Version 3.8 thoughts and comments
Version 3.8 is only a small update, mainly to add the revised datapoint for Star Wars The Old Republic.

I will also talk about Runescape and Second Life, which I didn't mention in my v3.7 thoughts and comments.

About Star Wars The Old Republic

While I thought I would not get any new SWTOR numbers any time soon, I was mistaken, we got some new numbers, although not very exact ones, so I was not not completely wrong either :)

I get my new info from the 2012 Wedbush Conference, here are the comments from EA. I will quote the parts we are interested in :

Star Wars, this is an area that I think has got a lot of people anxious. I've heard from investors today saying that we must have 800,000 subscribers. I heard 600,000 yesterday. So what I think a lot of people have misunderstood is we said we had 1.7 million subscribers on the last call, which was about a month ago. What that was about was the fact that only about – just about half that number had triggered through their 30-day point and become active subscribers, our definition of recurring subscribers.

We had about half that total still in the 30-day trial period, but they're subscribers because that first month is including with a package good. What I said a month ago was, just over half. I can now confirm for you today that the vast majority of the 1.7 is now triggered through that point and they're recurring subscribers.

I am not giving you my fiscal 2013 guidance, but it is very clear on the surface that some of the craziness that was out there in terms of misunderstanding [ph] this is that I can (10:04) clear up today. It's a very strong entry. We still have a lot of future in front of us. We're two months into the launch, a lot more to go, but 1.7 million, vast majority now, are recurring subscribers.

And here, for reference the quote from the quarterly conference call on February 1 :

Let me offer some metrics on purchase and subscription that will help you understand thisbusiness. As John stated, we have sold through two million units of the game since December. We currently have a little over 1.7 million active subscribers. The rest have either not started playing yet or have opted out.

So the vast majority of the 1,7m resubscribed, now we have to determine what that vast majority is :p, 80%, 90% maybe? If I lay this info next to the Xfire numbers and server load I can come up with a pretty close estimate, and that is what I did in v3.8, where the number is revised upwards.

After the initial rush, there was a steep decline in activity, but overall SWTOR manages to keep a sizable chunk of players subscribed.
I have to conclude that SWTOR is a bit more stable than I initially estimated and many players keep paying while not playing or playing a lot less.

I will keep a close eye on the game, there is still a large untapped potential in Asia, where they were off to a reasonable start in the Asia pacific region with 3 heavy loaded servers.

Lastly, I consider the game stabilized now, if the server loads and Xfire metrics drop even more, and no new official numbers are released, the charts will reflect the decline, I will wait until April before making any attempts on a new estimate.

Edit: also, I know X-fire is nothing official, and a large number of gamers dont use Xfire anymore, but the chart for SWTOR is pretty telling.

http://beta.xfire.com/games/swtor

also...

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/bioware_lays_staff_after_star_wars_old_republic_lo ses_14_its_subscribers

[scoser]

Diablo III and whatever else is coming out has raped the population on my server. Server merges/free transfers can't get here soon enough.

[Alistair]

If game went FTP, might re-install. Other than that, probably not.

Too many other good free or one-time-purchase options about to have to pay an ongoing monthly sub tbqh.

[Trindermon]

If game went FTP, might re-install. Other than that, probably not.

Too many other good free or one-time-purchase options about to have to pay an ongoing monthly sub tbqh.

TBH would resub ina instance if they sorted some kinda way to gorup with people/and pvp with people (server merges, cross server tech whatever).

[Overspark]

Not caring about FTP but unsubscribed because of dwindling population and Diablo III crew checking in.

[Phrixus Zephyr]

I would hope that this would be a final lesson to make developers construct a worth while game, or at least finish the half arsed one they rushed out, but i have a feeling the money made from initial sales a first 6 months of release out weights all production costs by a fair margin.

[Ruri]

I would hope that this would be a final lesson to make developers construct a worth while game, or at least finish the half arsed one they rushed out, but i have a feeling the money made from initial sales a first 6 months of release out weights all production costs by a fair margin.

Come join us in the wait for Guild Wars 2. Those fuckers at ANet have been teasing it for years, and their only response in re: release date is "when it's ready." Based on what I've seen in the beta events the wait is paying off too, so there's at least one developer that seems to be doing it right.

[VARRAKK]

next patch now features free server transfers

http://catalinawinemixer.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/sinking-ship.jpg

[Miep]

next patch now features free server transfers

http://catalinawinemixer.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/sinking-ship.jpg

Sooo, is there anyone left to transfer?

[Winged Nazgul]

next patch now features free server transfers

http://catalinawinemixer.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/sinking-ship.jpg

Sooo, is there anyone left to transfer?

Badum...tish!

[noobcake]

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06/04/e3-2012-swtors-limited-f2p-trial-and-content-plans/

i's happened...f2p to level 15

[Space Panda]

apparently they are adding the cat race in 1.3. i'm sure this will save the game.

[definatelynotKKassandra]

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06/04/e3-2012-swtors-limited-f2p-trial-and-content-plans/

i's happened...f2p to level 15

AKA a free trial like every other MMO that has been out for more than three months

[noobcake]

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=463539

1.3 notes. Very....underwhelming.

Also, KK, between server mergers and the new F2P "trial" this isnt a sign that theyre moving FURTHER from going full on F2P you faggot.

Edit: Oh and...server mergers start on 6/12 according to the below link

http://www.swtor.com/blog/character-transfer-server-populations-and-you

[Space Panda]

lol at the world pvp notes. one little quip regarding restricting companions from the outlaws den.

"pre-season" seems cool. too bad my guild has all desubbed. a little bit late, eh?

[definatelynotKKassandra]

Of ocurse it isn't a sign they're going further from F2P. It isn't a sign of anything at all - server mergers and introducing a free trial a few months after release is absolutely normal for any subscription MMO. Are they having to do it earlier / more drastically than they might have hoped? Probably.

[noobcake]

list of servers eligible for free transfers:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=477706

no shortage of facepalm here...making fatman a destination server is a fucking retarded decision.

[spasm]

Can only transfer to select servers? That's just fucking retarded. They must really think people are completely devoid of intelligence if they keep saying it's because the game isn't programmed to handle transfers.

[noobcake]

Can only transfer to select servers? That's just fucking retarded. They must really think people are completely devoid of intelligence if they keep saying it's because the game isn't programmed to handle transfers.

Actually it's quite smart. It avoids everyone moving to the most populated server.

I just think that every new game should go the single shard route

Sent from my HTC EVO using Tapatalk (pissing FHC off since 2011)

[Winged Nazgul]

I just think that every new game should go the single shard route

That would kinda defeat GW2's biggest selling feature.

[Trindermon]

Can only transfer to select servers? That's just fucking retarded. They must really think people are completely devoid of intelligence if they keep saying it's because the game isn't programmed to handle transfers.

Actually it's quite smart. It avoids everyone moving to the most populated server.

I just think that every new game should go the single shard route

Sent from my HTC EVO using Tapatalk (pissing FHC off since 2011)

I havent been keeping up, but my sever is utterly fucking dead and its not eligable to transfer!?!! :-( ill stay canceled then.

[scoser]

They're announcing a few servers at a time, so you might have to wait a few days before you're eligible.

[noobcake]

They're announcing a few servers at a time, so you might have to wait a few days before you're eligible.

youre optimisitc...i say before alot of people's servers become available for xfers, it'll be a couple of weeks if not a month.

[noobcake]

I just think that every new game should go the single shard route

That would kinda defeat GW2's biggest selling feature.

enlighten me, b/c i dont follow GW2 to know wtf youre on about.

[Winged Nazgul]

WvWvW = World vs. World vs. World = Giant PVP scrum between 3 different servers that can last 2 weeks at a time.

[noobcake]

WvWvW = World vs. World vs. World = Giant PVP scrum between 3 different servers that can last 2 weeks at a time.

Sounds pretty cool, but how is that different from large scale alliance warfare in eve?

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[Wrack]

WvWvW = World vs. World vs. World = Giant PVP scrum between 3 different servers that can last 2 weeks at a time.

Sounds pretty cool, but how is that different from large scale alliance warfare in eve?

Sent from my HTC EVO using Tapatalk (pissing FHC off since 2011)

It's fun *ba dum tish*

[Space Panda]

PVP
Hedarr Soongh --> The Fatman
Rwookrrorro --> The Fatman
Cho Mai --> The Fatman
The Deadweight --> The Fatman
Firkrann Crystal --> The Fatman
Kinrath Spider --> The Fatman
Thendys Noori --> The Fatman

lol!

and yeah, gw2 is awesome. you should try it n00bcake.

[noobcake]

fucking terrible, i checked the lsit of servers in their official forum thread....I count 14 different servers being destinationed to fatman. Who the fuck is responsible for this shitty decision making?

And I might have to try GW2...

[Winged Nazgul]

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/06/15/hmmm-the-old-republic-looking-at-free-to-play/

[VARRAKK]

http://www.gamestm.co.uk/discuss/star-wars-the-old-republic-we-are-looking-at-free-to-play-says-lead-designer/

http://www.old-picture.com/american-history-1900-1930s/pictures/Driving-Nail-Coffin.jpg

[ElweSingollo]

http://www.gamestm.co.uk/discuss/star-wars-the-old-republic-we-are-looking-at-free-to-play-says-lead-designer/

http://www.old-picture.com/american-history-1900-1930s/pictures/Driving-Nail-Coffin.jpg

link leads to 404 anything interesting?

[Winged Nazgul]

Basically this:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/06/15/hmmm-the-old-republic-looking-at-free-to-play/

[Dark 0men]

So turns out this isn't the WoW clone to defeat all others? :( Maybe next time, EA, maybe next time.

[jbend9620]

one shitty grindfest to rule them all?

[VARRAKK]

The age of themepark mmo's is over. All others in production following this style will also fail

[lubica]

The age of themepark mmo's is over. All others in production following this style will also fail

I'd say you're wrong. The problem is, that there hadn't been a MMO launched in the past few years that wasn't totally raped in the ass by its devs/publishers in the final 6 months prior to release.

[Intigo]

WvWvW = World vs. World vs. World = Giant PVP scrum between 3 different servers that can last 2 weeks at a time.

Sounds pretty cool, but how is that different from large scale alliance warfare in eve?

Sent from my HTC EVO using Tapatalk (pissing FHC off since 2011)

It's fun *ba dum tish*

this post, I like it

ANOTHER!

[lt]

http://www.gamestm.co.uk/discuss/star-wars-the-old-republic-we-are-looking-at-free-to-play-says-lead-designer/

Link no longer works. :(

[Fenrial]

http://www.gamestm.co.uk/discuss/star-wars-the-old-republic-we-are-looking-at-free-to-play-says-lead-designer/

Link no longer works. :(https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:icfNcVw_fp8J:http://www.gamestm.co.uk/discuss/star-wars-the-old-republic-we-are-looking-at-free-to-play-says-lead-designer/%2Bhttp://www.gamestm.co.uk/discuss/star-wars-the-old-republic-we-are-looking-at-free-to-play-says-lead-designer/&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&hl=en&ct=clnk

[Trindermon]

now ive been allowed to transfter to tomb of nadd or whatever its called, i am enjoying pvp again. cause you know - i am actaully getting matches.

[Tyrehl]

Lol Nightmare lands is my server, Frostclaw was the overpopulated alternative we had in mind(me and my friends). :smug:

European Server (English)
Frostclaw --> Nightmare Lands

[blaad]

Lol Nightmare lands is my server, Frostclaw was the overpopulated alternative we had in mind(me and my friends). :smug:

European Server (English)
Frostclaw --> Nightmare Lands

:EApsyduck:

[Aramendel]

It's now free to play














till lvl 15

[Joshua Foiritain]

Signed up for the free trial, client is 20 gb. Launcher is downloading at 128kb/sec... According to their forums this is normal? What the fucking fuck. Thats like just under two full days to download... :psyduck:

[evil edna]

its not worth the time either

[Mona]

Signed up for the free trial, client is 20 gb. Launcher is downloading at 128kb/sec... According to their forums this is normal? What the fucking fuck. Thats like just under two full days to download... :psyduck:

So, you have two full days to reconsider. I have to commend EA for that.

[FatFreddy]

"Buy SW:TOR: Premium now for faster downloads speeds and a new shade of gray for your jedi cloak"

[Nicho Void]

Is now the right time for smug, "I told you so"s? Because I'd like to be in at ground floor for that.

[Chrien]

The age of themepark mmo's is over. All others in production following this style will also fail

Not at all; its just that gamers expect their games to be good if they are going to pay a monthly sub. SWTOR was average at best and the development team didn't demonstrate any capability to fix the problems with it. Sadly SWTOR's failings were as much technical (shitty engine) as they were gameplay which is inexcusable for a game with the budget that it had. MMO players post-wow expect smooth fluid combat, no major MMO has delivered this since.

[shaewyn]

The age of themepark mmo's is over. All others in production following this style will also fail

Not at all; its just that gamers expect their games to be good if they are going to pay a monthly sub. SWTOR was average at best and the development team didn't demonstrate any capability to fix the problems with it. Sadly SWTOR's failings were as much technical (shitty engine) as they were gameplay which is inexcusable for a game with the budget that it had. MMO players post-wow expect smooth fluid combat, no major MMO has delivered this since.

I disagree. I played SWTOR right up into endgame content and found the combat was far smoother and more fluid than pretty much any other mmo (of the same style) that I've played. The combat, for me (Jedi Shadow, both tank and dps) was really enjoyable. I also quite enjoyed the story work they did - I (still) feel more "connected" to my SWTOR character than any other mmo character I've played.

The problem that I found was the lack of endgame content and gear progression. It was also very difficult to find people to run with - if my guild didn't have a group on, it was dang near impossible to find a group to raid with, standard dungeons were only slightly less difficult to find groups for.

[Chrien]

The engine couldn't handle more than about 20 people on screen... I use space stations and ilum as evidence. The combat whilst relatively smooth doesn't even come close to WoW in terms of feel. I agree on gameplay, I did both initial endgame raids on nightmare and the most challenging part of them was overcoming the bugs.
I suspect your issues with finding people to group with was related to the poor quality of the PvE content, if they were interesting and challenging people would have done them. I think I did most of the single group dungeons once or twice (I forget what name SWTOR used for them) and they were interesting the first time for story and learning reasons but trivial after that, and you could gear up easier through PvP or just getting carried on a HM raid.

[lubica]

The age of themepark mmo's is over. All others in production following this style will also fail

Not at all; its just that gamers expect their games to be good if they are going to pay a monthly sub. SWTOR was average at best and the development team didn't demonstrate any capability to fix the problems with it. Sadly SWTOR's failings were as much technical (shitty engine) as they were gameplay which is inexcusable for a game with the budget that it had. MMO players post-wow expect smooth fluid combat, no major MMO has delivered this since.

I disagree. I played SWTOR right up into endgame content and found the combat was far smoother and more fluid than pretty much any other mmo (of the same style) that I've played. The combat, for me (Jedi Shadow, both tank and dps) was really enjoyable. I also quite enjoyed the story work they did - I (still) feel more "connected" to my SWTOR character than any other mmo character I've played.

The problem that I found was the lack of endgame content and gear progression. It was also very difficult to find people to run with - if my guild didn't have a group on, it was dang near impossible to find a group to raid with, standard dungeons were only slightly less difficult to find groups for.

Can't agree on the combat and movement thing, comparing my experiences as a Jugg with let's say: my old mage in WoW (vanilla to Cata), I can very quickly point out ability delay, retarded action-queueing, desyncs in pvp (especially when charging/intervening someone who just used a bouncepad), while raids were buggy on all difficulties (except normal that was easy enough to clear inspite of the bugs) and gear drops were bugged for 2 months before BW even peeped about certain loot-modes being fucked and explaining how to get around that. Lets not even mention how badly the fucked up the modding system, how idiotically coded the AH was, the space combat on rails and Illum terribleness (brand new i5 PC was running @ 3 fps with 50+ ppl in combat, which WoW had managed to get right in 2004, see alterac valley).

I'd say the class storyline was the only thing BW did even half-way ok, since it made the leveling process quite entertaining, but once you finished that, it made no difference on your end-game experience at all. May as well just have been a really long chain quest with cutscenes.

[Aramendel]

The problem that I found was the lack of endgame content and gear progression. It was also very difficult to find people to run with - if my guild didn't have a group on, it was dang near impossible to find a group to raid with, standard dungeons were only slightly less difficult to find groups for.

Yes, they released it too incomplete and then took far too long to fix the issues.


The engine couldn't handle more than about 20 people on screen... I use space stations and ilum as evidence.

I had no issues whatsoever there. Maybe do not try to play the game with a 10 year old PC or laptop without graphics card? :p ;)

Well, space stations at least, never tried the ilum pvp brawl.

[Ishanda]

I have a modern-ish PC and Ilum was a slideshow (on the 1 occasion our server managed an actual proper fight on Ilum that wasn't a onesided zerg)

[Mavolio]

Ilum PvP zone, lead PvP designer Gabe Amatangelo. Gabe Amatangelo also worked on other PvP success stories such as Warhammer Online

[Ishanda]

The engine being slow has nothing to do with the gameplay designers, and everything to do with the engines being shit (HeroEngine is shit, GameBryo is shit)

[Mavolio]

Even if they had the best engine ever and it worked 100% as intended Ilum was always going to be a massive fail. Due to server faction imbalance that existed on every realm it could never work. Every time i went there it was either 20+ empire players waiting for 1 republic player to come kill those vehicles or 200+ empire players camping the republic base to farm kills. With a few random stealth players waiting near graveyards to 1 shot any one who came close.

But making game play that couldn't possibly work on the engine they had to work with is equally as much the fault of the game play designers as it is the people in charge of the engine. If they knew it wasn't going to work (which they must have known) then just carrying on any way was just a ridiculous attitude to have.

[Chrien]

The problem that I found was the lack of endgame content and gear progression. It was also very difficult to find people to run with - if my guild didn't have a group on, it was dang near impossible to find a group to raid with, standard dungeons were only slightly less difficult to find groups for.

Yes, they released it too incomplete and then took far too long to fix the issues.


The engine couldn't handle more than about 20 people on screen... I use space stations and ilum as evidence.

I had no issues whatsoever there. Maybe do not try to play the game with a 10 year old PC or laptop without graphics card? :p ;)

Well, space stations at least, never tried the ilum pvp brawl.

My PC is quite capable of running BF3 on maxed settings thank you very much. I played on a high pop server so I guess my space station just had people on it.

[Wrack]

I found SWTOR plenty smooth, its downfall was that the game is boring from day 1 and boring at endgame.

[Mavolio]

With my 1st char i quite enjoyed levelling, but once i got max lvl it got old far too fast probably because i really didn't want to join a raiding guild there wasn't any PvP/PvE to keep me interested for long. Then when i started my 2nd char with a friend i just ended up doings quests i had already done and the class quest wasn't good enough on its own to make up for that. I think out of all my friends who got this only 1 guy got a single alt to max level then even he quit right after and he had been super excited to lvl every class for the story line.

[fr0ggy]

The problem that I found was the lack of endgame content and gear progression. It was also very difficult to find people to run with - if my guild didn't have a group on, it was dang near impossible to find a group to raid with, standard dungeons were only slightly less difficult to find groups for.

Yes, they released it too incomplete and then took far too long to fix the issues.


The engine couldn't handle more than about 20 people on screen... I use space stations and ilum as evidence.

I had no issues whatsoever there. Maybe do not try to play the game with a 10 year old PC or laptop without graphics card? :p ;)

Well, space stations at least, never tried the ilum pvp brawl.

my i7 16 gb ram, ssd, 570 gtx barely run pvp version of ilum with 10-30 fps at low details. or high details. or whatever details. (before it was taked out)
i know, is my fault i dont have an unlocked and overclocked i7 with liquid nitrogen, 256 gb ram, 4 ssd in raid, and 4 video cards for this kind of beast and unseen gfx swtor obviously have.
it may look better than wow (i played wow when i got like 7 days of free time) but for sure is not that fluid in any aspect.
shit game. i will touch it again when it goes f2p, and if i will be very very bored.

[Trindermon]

my shitty old i5 with a modest graphics card didnt seem to have a issue :| loading times were stupid long, but once the game loaded it was a fairly smooth experiance graphically/frameratey for me.

[Aramendel]

Ilum hat fps issues (from what I have heard, as I said already I never joined the merry-go-around there), but that seemed to be mainly because of :Ilum:, not :SWTOR: generally. Never ever had fps issues on the stations on my server (which was very high/full, thank you very much).

In other news, I resubbed a few days ago after a 7 Month break, wanted to play a republic side storyline. I will very likely uninstall it again today, though, mainly for one reason: Stupid fucking running for ages. It was all fine on the starter and capital planet, but on the one after that I find myself (again) running, running, running in way too large zones and story progression slowing down a lot due to that. And it's not like it will get better with mounts, the zones simply get even larger then.

[Chrien]

The engine wasn't designed to have more than about 30 people on screen at a time which seems kinda stupid for an MMO. Playing on the swiftsure server which was the busiest in the game the space station was very chuggy in places basically where there were people. The engine was just not optimised properly imo.

Sure when soloing and raiding the game handled things fine so if that was all you were interested in then you wouldn't have noticed it.

[Pacefalm]

BTW who claimed this was better than DayZ?

[Paradox]

f2p yet?

[Space Panda]

i still have like 30 days left + my free month! if i ever do login again, it will be to fully augment my shitty war hero merc. then, when the game goes f2p, i'll log in again and it'll be like i have a gold tank.

[Mona]

It's all your fault, fans!

http://blogs.bettor.com/Anonymous-Bioware-Insider-blames-fans-for-SWTOR-Video-Games-Update-a173317

[Wrack]

That article actually strikes me as a troll, or at least sensationalism. "Major layoffs" and "one of the biggest blunders of this generation" says an "anonymous insider?" Come on.

[bundus]

They laid off Rockjaw, the only one who gave a fuck about the players.

[lubica]

That article actually strikes me as a troll, or at least sensationalism. "Major layoffs" and "one of the biggest blunders of this generation" says an "anonymous insider?" Come on.

I doubt they recouped more than 50% of the mentioned development and marketing costs, if that doesn't count as a serious fucking blunder, then I don't know what would.

[definatelynotKKassandra]

If the quotes of the 'anonymous insider' are accurate, that's some :psyccp: level derp.

Read forums, fans say they want a game that's like KOTOR not WOW.
Do you:
A) Spend hundreds of millions pasting a load of voiced stories into a shitty WOW clone so that's it's sort of like KOTOR, only with a monthly subscription and not as good. Blame fans for pushing you into making shitty design choices for your MMO.
or
B) Make KOTOR 3

[Paradox]

If the quotes of the 'anonymous insider' are accurate, that's some :psyccp: level derp.

Read forums, fans say they want a game that's like KOTOR not WOW.
Do you:
A) Spend hundreds of millions pasting a load of voiced stories into a shitty WOW clone so that's it's sort of like KOTOR, only with a monthly subscription and not as good. Blame fans for pushing you into making shitty design choices for your MMO.
or
B) Make KOTOR 3

C) Do what EA tells you to because if you don't you'll never work in the industry again.

[Pacefalm]

Yeah EA has a great track record at keeping companies in the industry

[ElweSingollo]

That article actually strikes me as a troll, or at least sensationalism. "Major layoffs" and "one of the biggest blunders of this generation" says an "anonymous insider?" Come on.

I doubt they recouped more than 50% of the mentioned development and marketing costs, if that doesn't count as a serious fucking blunder, then I don't know what would.

Well initial sales of the boxes alone apparantly covered all initial costs in launching and developing the MMO if you believe what Bioware are quoted as saying however the rapidly dropping sub rates obviously precipitated the layoffs at BW Austin and basically the future of KOTOR is now obviously on a much smaller scale than they had initial plans for.

[Steph]

Wow. Yeah, blame the fans for offering suggestions you only half-implemented in an effort to placate them without actually doing what they wanted. Incidentally, that worked out great for ME3 as well.

If this is true, BioWare is dead folks.

[lubica]

Wow. Yeah, blame the fans for offering suggestions you only half-implemented in an effort to placate them without actually doing what they wanted. Incidentally, that worked out great for ME3 as well.

If this is true, BioWare is dead folks.

Don't worry meight, they'll do a Baldur's Gate MMO next

[ElweSingollo]

Wow. Yeah, blame the fans for offering suggestions you only half-implemented in an effort to placate them without actually doing what they wanted. Incidentally, that worked out great for ME3 as well.

If this is true, BioWare is dead folks.

Don't worry meight, they'll do a Baldur's Gate MMO next

well the next BW release that will confirm the death or otherwise of BW is going to be Dragon Age 3 if they even slightly fuck that up then the studio will just be killed by EA tbh... shame really means I will never see Jade Empire 2 although that might be a blessing in disguise as who knows what monster that would turn out to be.

[Steph]

Maybe the one or two sane people left will split off and join Obsidian. xD

[Winged Nazgul]

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/07/31/its-official-swtor-is-going-free-to-play/

[Space Panda]

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/07/31/its-official-swtor-is-going-free-to-play/

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ea-expands-award-winning-mmo-190900648.html

http://investor.ea.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=696947

fucking lol.

[Skeptic]

About time, been waiting to fire through a quick Trooper playthrough before some other flash in the pan bullshite gets released in a month or so. *mmo-fist*

[Pacefalm]

History of TOR's Free to Play Model
By FHC


Will try it when it inevitably becomes free and/or they release a trial. So, 6 months after release?


Game looks like every other fantasy mmo with lightsabres. Don't care, won't play, will laugh when it goes F2P in a years time.



Aww, why not F2P? I thought subscription models had been deemed antiquated by the gaming industry.

No, any half decent MMO release goes subscription. there is literally no MMO that ever launched with f2p that was actually worth playing. And that includes Guildwars, since that was b2p (Buy to play) not f2p.





I'm waiting for the F2P release.

not sure if serious

I might be an idiot, but I am serious. It might not be full f2p but I believe there'll be at least a long trial / first 20 levels free before next christmas.



good to see the same fanbois are relentlessly defending the SWTOR/BioWare development team...The game is actually getting worse the longer I play it. I've got 28 days left on my one month sub, and I cant really see a reason to extend beyond that. Between broken quests, terrible endgame pvp/pve, and a generally terrible community, the game really offers nothing more than the grind to 50.

I keep saying it, and none of you avid defenders of BioWare will ever concede this fact, but SWTOR will be going f2p within 24 months.



lol at "will fail within 2 years".
Fancy narrowing that down since 99% of MMOs don't last 2 years?

If I had to venture a guess (and this is a forum on the internet where I like the look of my own writing, so I do) I'd say the implication is that there is nothing about SWTOR that makes it any better than any other MMO on the market, so it's assumed that it'll be going to go down the same murky path to F2P - despite the sometimes rabid/less-than-grounded-in-reality denials voiced by some of its defenders.



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3 months. That was quick.


So, is this game dead yet?

(Serious question)



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:notsureifserious:

Email route checks.. well... are EA/BW getting desperate?

lolol, i think they will have to publish their quartal numbers soon.
And after they have reactivated ALL ever existing accounts from 13-20.04 iam sure those numbers will look great :P


They are so fucking desperate, iam lacking words.



Only a matter of time before F2P then?

They'll announce going f2p sometime before September, calling it now.


Wake me up when it goes f2p.


Somewhere in this thread is someone who wasn't sure I was serious when I said I'd wait for f2p.
After trying the free weekend I'm not even bothered if it does become free.




They'll go f2p and you don't get voice overs if you aren't subbed. That'll show everyone!

They could charge extra for pressing space to skip them.

genius!


http://beta.xfire.com/games/swtor

lol check out the peak right as 1.2 released...and then that massive fucking valley immediately after. SWTOR to go F2P before the year is out :nostradamus:



this game dead yet?

Give it three months.




Every time I see new post in this thread I come in hope it's f2p already. :disappointed:

This. Has anything been said by SOE or whatever about it or are they still soldiering on?

rofl. :)


They had 1.000.000+ paying subs at last count and you believe they'll go f2p soon?! :psyduck:.

:TpTlk:


http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/06/15/hmmm-the-old-republic-looking-at-free-to-play/


It's now free to play till lvl 15


Is now the right time for smug, "I told you so"s? Because I'd like to be in at ground floor for that.


f2p yet?


http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/07/31/its-official-swtor-is-going-free-to-play/

[Nooby]

Whoa, I'm shocked.

[Wrack]

History of TOR's Free to Play Model
By FHC


Will try it when it inevitably becomes free and/or they release a trial. So, 6 months after release?


Game looks like every other fantasy mmo with lightsabres. Don't care, won't play, will laugh when it goes F2P in a years time.



Aww, why not F2P? I thought subscription models had been deemed antiquated by the gaming industry.

No, any half decent MMO release goes subscription. there is literally no MMO that ever launched with f2p that was actually worth playing. And that includes Guildwars, since that was b2p (Buy to play) not f2p.





I'm waiting for the F2P release.

not sure if serious

I might be an idiot, but I am serious. It might not be full f2p but I believe there'll be at least a long trial / first 20 levels free before next christmas.



good to see the same fanbois are relentlessly defending the SWTOR/BioWare development team...The game is actually getting worse the longer I play it. I've got 28 days left on my one month sub, and I cant really see a reason to extend beyond that. Between broken quests, terrible endgame pvp/pve, and a generally terrible community, the game really offers nothing more than the grind to 50.

I keep saying it, and none of you avid defenders of BioWare will ever concede this fact, but SWTOR will be going f2p within 24 months.



lol at "will fail within 2 years".
Fancy narrowing that down since 99% of MMOs don't last 2 years?

If I had to venture a guess (and this is a forum on the internet where I like the look of my own writing, so I do) I'd say the implication is that there is nothing about SWTOR that makes it any better than any other MMO on the market, so it's assumed that it'll be going to go down the same murky path to F2P - despite the sometimes rabid/less-than-grounded-in-reality denials voiced by some of its defenders.



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3 months. That was quick.


So, is this game dead yet?

(Serious question)



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:notsureifserious:

Email route checks.. well... are EA/BW getting desperate?

lolol, i think they will have to publish their quartal numbers soon.
And after they have reactivated ALL ever existing accounts from 13-20.04 iam sure those numbers will look great :P


They are so fucking desperate, iam lacking words.



Only a matter of time before F2P then?

They'll announce going f2p sometime before September, calling it now.


Wake me up when it goes f2p.


Somewhere in this thread is someone who wasn't sure I was serious when I said I'd wait for f2p.
After trying the free weekend I'm not even bothered if it does become free.




They'll go f2p and you don't get voice overs if you aren't subbed. That'll show everyone!

They could charge extra for pressing space to skip them.

genius!


http://beta.xfire.com/games/swtor

lol check out the peak right as 1.2 released...and then that massive fucking valley immediately after. SWTOR to go F2P before the year is out :nostradamus:



this game dead yet?

Give it three months.




Every time I see new post in this thread I come in hope it's f2p already. :disappointed:

This. Has anything been said by SOE or whatever about it or are they still soldiering on?

rofl. :)


They had 1.000.000+ paying subs at last count and you believe they'll go f2p soon?! :psyduck:.

:TpTlk:


http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/06/15/hmmm-the-old-republic-looking-at-free-to-play/


It's now free to play till lvl 15


Is now the right time for smug, "I told you so"s? Because I'd like to be in at ground floor for that.


f2p yet?


http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/07/31/its-official-swtor-is-going-free-to-play/

You worked harder on this than Bioware worked on TOR's gameplay.

[Pacefalm]

I live to serve

[Rachag]

Will finally be able to finish my agent but fuck them if they make speeder bikes pay only.

BTW that's a nice haggis you have there Skeptic. 8-)

[spasm]

hahah bioEA is so fucking awful. http://www.swtor.com/free/features

I'm going to guess freeplayers can only buy things on the market, two races and/or classes locked, and no mounts.

[lubica]

hahah bioEA is so fucking awful. http://www.swtor.com/free/features

I'm going to guess freeplayers can only buy things on the market, two races and/or classes locked, and no mounts.

And they only play Huttball.
hahahahahaha

[Lilalaunebör]

no mounts.

This breaks the game. Travel times are awful enough with speeders, if they think anyone will play beyond, like, coruscant (~lvl24?), without speeders, they are delusional.
They might just as well call it a free trial until lvl20.

e: and i wont return even for f2p unless they do some MAJOR unfuckery of the class mechanics.

[Rachag]

hahah bioEA is so fucking awful. and no mounts.


No mounts?

Stuff it then, tooooo much running.

[Space Panda]

it's funny reading the forums. teh heartbreak, the fervent denial, and the happy trolls happily trolling all are contributing magnificently to wasting time in my cube on this fine afternoon.

[Durzel]

lawl F2P already

They should've just added some polish to PreCU Star Wars Galaxies. Job done.

[VARRAKK]

GLORIOUS!

And they even managed to fuck up the F2P bit

[Winged Nazgul]

Will try it when it inevitably becomes free and/or they release a trial. So, 6 months after release?

Hard to believe this was still an optimistic estimate.

[Jolin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06ZRIYikrU&feature=em-uploademail

[Pacefalm]

Thread should be renamed "(cheaper than DayZ)"

[noobcake]

They had 1.000.000+ paying subs at last count and you believe they'll go f2p soon?! :psyduck:.

:TpTlk:

bahhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahaah, you look like a mother fucking retard now

[Itiken]

Aaaaaaa. it's (going) F2P.

[Surveyor]

Full f2p or still the old stuff that is known since months?

[Fallout]

Full F2P sometime this month I think, searched everywhere and there's hardly any information on when its going F2P other than this November at some point

[Sirial Soulfly]

Saw this thread on top again decided to take a look on the swtor forums.
Found this hilarious thread http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=552130
Something to read if you are really bored maybe.
Their f2p model still looks like shit.

[EntroX]

They had 1.000.000+ paying subs at last count and you believe they'll go f2p soon?! :psyduck:.

:TpTlk:

bahhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahaah, you look like a mother fucking retard now

hahaohwow.jpg

[Isyel]

1. Our game is awesome. People love it and want to play it.

lmao

[Paradox]

I'm not proud of what I'm doing but I've installed it, waiting for f2p.

I'm going to have my KOTOR3 pound of flesh no matter what.

[Alistair]

I'm not proud of what I'm doing but I've installed it, waiting for f2p.

I'm going to have my KOTOR3 pound of flesh no matter what.



Nothing to be embarassed about. Game should have been Guild Wars-style Buy-then-F2P in the first place tbqh.

I'll be reinstalling come F2P as well.

[Hels]

I'm not proud of what I'm doing but I've installed it, waiting for f2p.

I'm going to have my KOTOR3 pound of flesh no matter what.



Nothing to be embarassed about. Game should have been Guild Wars-style Buy-then-F2P in the first place tbqh.

I'll be reinstalling come F2P as well.

Never uninstalled.

<.<

[Space Panda]

i got am email from bioware that basically says i can redeem all the cool cartel coins i am eligible for if i resub! what a deal!

that being said, if you haven't tried this game, don't be afraid to do so. the storylines are really fun for your first playthrough. i myself might finish my sith warrior story. basically, if you get into the game to play it like KOTOR, you'll find it worth the time. just don't fucking give these cunts any money, and all will be well with the force.

[Aramendel]

What really drove me from this game twice are the retardedly large areas post lvl 25.

You can handle it like a single player RPG with 2-8 different stories, but later you will spend like 75% of your time travelling. Which isn't fun. Without the hugely inflated travel times it would be definitely worth it even as single player RPG for a couple of months.

AFAIK you do not get mounts as free player, so it is essentially game over at lvl 25 for those.

[Space Panda]

i wasn't aware that you don't get mounts... lol. if that's true then this definitely won't work out.

[Itiken]

I presume the ex-subscribers keep their mount skillz?

[Phrixus Zephyr]

Will play now i don't have to pay.

[Wrack]

I presume the ex-subscribers keep their mount skillz?

Wouldn't be surprised if not.

[Max Teranous]

Played the beta, bought the game on amazon but never got round to actually playing it on release. The box is still shrinkwrapped lol.

Max 8-)

[Aramendel]

I presume the ex-subscribers keep their mount skillz?

Wouldn't be surprised if not.

I strongly suspect not. Otherwise you could just suscribe for one month, buy the mount skill(s) and then go free again. There are speed upgrades later, of course, but they are not that significant.

[Fallout]

I think he means ex-subscribers before the game went F2P, to stop what you just mentioned.

[Phrixus Zephyr]

Bad game is bad. Reminds me of LOTR Online. Bioware, story driven, a million hours of voice dialogue my arse.

[Melichor]

The gf and i gave it a go at the beginning but every planet was same shit, different skin. Coupled with the fact that it was next to impossible to find group to do even mid level stuff and next to no end game...

[DerWish]

The gf and i gave it a go at the beginning but every planet was same shit, different skin. Coupled with the fact that it was next to impossible to find group to do even mid level stuff and next to no end game...

Same here.
Started playing with my wife and done all end level content. Got shit ton pixel money. End game PVP is still shit and nothing, but a miracle, can change it. The only reason to download and install again if I ever want to go through the extremely stupid (even in it's best moments mediocre) story-line.
Only reason to play if there is a decent group to play together on a pvp server.

[Fallout]

So its going free to play on the 15th http://www.swtor.com/info/news/news-article/20121108


Preferred Status

And we have not forgotten about those of you who once had accounts, but cancelled. We are hoping to get you to come back and play! Any player who has ever paid a monthly subscription fee will be given Preferred Status automatically when Free-to-Play option is launched. Players with Preferred Status do not face the same limitations as a Free-to-Play player and will find that some restrictions are either removed or greatly reduced.
http://www.swtor.com/info/news/blog/20121107

If people were still wondering about that

[Melichor]

Interesting.

[Wrack]

The next sentence after that quote:


In addition, Preferred Status can be earned by any Free-to-Play player who spends a minimum of $4.99 at our web store.

How nice of them, chipping in a $4.99 value for people who paid 10-20 times that.

[Paradox]

hehehe. Waiting for f2p and being a stingy bastard has paid off then.

If they'd made kotor 3 instead this would never have happened.

[Freddy Dare]

Will happily get my Huttball on again.

[Tailn]

Still Feeling gouged after caving in at full price a day before they announced f2p quickly followed by cutting the box price in 1/2. I think I managed a months play before shelving it but will be up for the odd bit of group stuff if there are folks about (I never got any guild invites when i applied in game so no group experience of it).

[Helfix]

hehehe. Waiting for f2p and being a stingy bastard has paid off then.

If they'd made kotor 3 instead this would never have happened.

Pretty much how I felt about this as well. They would of been better off if they made KOTOR 3, made tons more money and would of been able to churn out more KOTOR esque games.

Either way, I still played swtor, I got what I wanted out of it, which was the stories and I was happy with it. Then I unsubbed after I got through the stories.

[Wrack]

Meh, no server transfers, no possibility for FHC wtfstomp guild, no point redownloading.

[Tyrehl]

There are like 5 servers right now (well not 5 but a couple). The chances are a lot of us will be on the same one. Im on the Red Eclipse or something.

[Freddy Dare]

Figured fuck it why not. 'I'll set the DL going before I hit the sack.








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:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[Tyrehl]

Hm someone on our guild site said that the servers are up? Hmm havent tried.


Btw feel free to laugh at me. I am subscribed. Im kinda addicted to my guild (even if 3-4 guys went back to wow). And I was missing tanking as that's the only thing I enjoy in non-EVE mmo's.

Ok there we go, I said it. :D so pretty much im paying 15$ a month for tanking like once or twice a week. Great, isn't it.

[Pacefalm]

Hm someone on our guild site said that the servers are up? Hmm havent tried.


Btw feel free to laugh at me. I am subscribed. Im kinda addicted to my guild (even if 3-4 guys went back to wow). And I was missing tanking as that's the only thing I enjoy in non-EVE mmo's.

Ok there we go, I said it. :D so pretty much im paying 15$ a month for tanking like once or twice a week. Great, isn't it.
That's what I do with WoW

[Fallout]

pretty much everything that can be limited is limited. Pay to hide head items, pay to gain normal XP, pay to gain rest XP, pay to do anything ever.

[Wrack]

Haha wow, shit you can't do for free (http://www.swtor.com/free/features):

- Crew skills
- Use bank
- Expand your inventory
- Send mail
- Use chat (except on newbie planets)
- Trade with other players
- Operations
- More than 5 warzones in a week
- Ranked warzones
- Equip purple items (big P2W alert here, if you give a shit)
- Contact customer support

[lubica]

Now that is just pure gold.

[Space Panda]

i can't even troll fleet? what the fuck is the point?

[spasm]

Man, they are just fighting tooth and nail against reality to go F2P.

[Melichor]

How to fail at f2p: bioware/ea edition

[Melichor]

I wonder if these restrictions see same for former subs. I think i paid a month it two before quitting

[Tailn]

It is most definitely the worst f2p offering ever but then Lol EA.

And am on EU PVP English (tomb of freedon Nadd) if any one else is.

people who previously had accounts get preferred status (this is give nout to any monkey that spends $4.99 or more in their market.
Benefits include 1 tab of cargo 150k more credit cap than f2p and full chat.

full details are here (http://www.swtor.com/free/features), but you don't even get any free cash (could not even give us the base cost of the game in in game gold) well Fuck You EA.

Btw I have 1 hot bar, I needed 3 previously with the number of skills they give.

[Space Panda]

1 hot bar?? hahahaha. since i only planned on ganking people in nar shaddaa, i can deal with that.

[Fallout]

It is most definitely the worst f2p offering ever but then Lol EA.

And am on EU PVP English (tomb of freedon Nadd) if any one else is.

people who previously had accounts get preferred status (this is give nout to any monkey that spends $4.99 or more in their market.
Benefits include 1 tab of cargo 150k more credit cap than f2p and full chat.

full details are here (http://www.swtor.com/free/features), but you don't even get any free cash (could not even give us the base cost of the game in in game gold) well Fuck You EA.

Btw I have 1 hot bar, I needed 3 previously with the number of skills they give.

If you had an account previously you should be able to have 2 hot bars, works for me at least but its still pretty annoying you don't get the 3rd one for utility skills that don't fit on the first 2. its the worst F2P system I've ever seen so far but don't tell the people in game that fact. Everyone that stayed subbed to SWTOR seems to have gone bat shit insane when it comes to not being retarded.

Also it said on pages before F2P previous subscribers would get around 450 cartel points for free or something but I don't seem to have any, did anyone else get them?

[Wrack]

Also it said on pages before F2P previous subscribers would get around 450 cartel points for free or something but I don't seem to have any, did anyone else get them?

I think you were only supposed to get those if you were subscribed at the time it went F2P. In other words, for another $15 you can actually get what you previously paid for.

[Space Panda]

hahaha this is hilariously bad. i can't even fucking unify my armor colors, nor hide my helmet slot. and when i call it a fucking nigger game on fleet, people actually say that i'm wrong.

[Pacefalm]

To be fair if they are still star wars fans after all this, there would be nothing you could say to convince them

[Melichor]

Maybe disney will come in and regulate lol

[Trindermon]

hahaha this is hilariously bad. i can't even fucking unify my armor colors, nor hide my helmet slot. and when i call it a fucking nigger game on fleet, people actually say that i'm wrong.

You're wrong on account of it being a fucking dumb.as.fuck. insult/description. Its about the only meme/internet.talk on Failheap that actually makes me want to fucking punch people. It also makes you look like a compleate cunt.

/waitingforrage/ban/

As for the game, what are the server pops like now? I understand they consolidated the servers alot, i wasnt sure if that would solve / cure the cueing problems and constant huttball spammage in warzones.

[Surveyor]

I did play the free trial the last week and planets on a high server ranged from 30-110ish ppl.
I don't think the 'F2P' will increase that much, so hold out and wait for them to get it right (6 month or so).

[Tailn]

It wont be increasing from me that's for sure 450 cartel coins is what $3 that's generous to people who spent at least $40 for something they are now giving away for free (that's even if I can found them I also thought you were supposed to get them even if unsubbed) btw that's basically 1 hot bar.
Not being able to hide helmet is shite especially as they still have not sorted out the fact that twileks get the same gear as humans (tentacles sort of have problems with helmets :/)

[Trindermon]

I did play the free trial the last week and planets on a high server ranged from 30-110ish ppl.
I don't think the 'F2P' will increase that much, so hold out and wait for them to get it right (6 month or so).

I will hope they get there shit together; to be honest i didnt mind the game, i just got frustrated with the lack of players on my server, the free to play option might mean i actaully reinstall and check things out once in a while.

[Tyrehl]

If they dont make F2P viable for people that just want to play through all storylines then its shit.


o\ EA

[lubica]

http://onebit.us/x/i/qzyUNcVsck.png

[Freddy Dare]

More than 5 warzones in a week


Not bothering then. keep ya huttball

[Wrack]

If they dont make F2P viable for people that just want to play through all storylines then its shit.

Actually, that's all it is good for, soloing "KOTOR 3." F2P basically strips out all of the MMO elements, like, you know, talking to other players, pvp, raids, and putting all of your skills on hotbars. You can even group up for group quests and flashpoints (4-man dungeons) but a paid player will have to do the advertising in general chat for the group. If you never played as a subscriber, maybe you won't even miss it while you level up.

[Fallout]

But the thing is its not viable for the storyline. You need all the hotbars to fit on all the shit it gives you, because you have the grind through the shitty MMO content to get to the story. You cant really have any fun with your character because all the extra customization options are pay to unlock. It doesn't strip out the MMO elements, it strips out pretty much everything in the game.

[Paradox]

Been playing this since this morning. Seems like standard hotkey MMO to me even though the first thing I did was turn off chat and furiously ignore all other players.

Even the starting areas seem needlessly big but I'm ok with it so far. I intend to carry on.

[Wrack]

But the thing is its not viable for the storyline. You need all the hotbars to fit on all the shit it gives you, because you have the grind through the shitty MMO content to get to the story. You cant really have any fun with your character because all the extra customization options are pay to unlock. It doesn't strip out the MMO elements, it strips out pretty much everything in the game.

I think you can absolutely get through the storyline with 2 hotbars. You might have to live with opening the skill sheet to rebuff every hour or not having your relics bound, but big fucking deal to that.

[Sirial Soulfly]

Tried it out this afternoon terrible f2p implementation imo. Reduced xp gain even as a preferred status player, no thanks. The grind was pretty terrible already before that. Maybe their f2p is alright as a first time player but as someone who bought it and played it for a month it feels horribly restricted and I see no reason to subscribe. I hope guild wars 2 has set the trend for the financial model used for future mmo like games.

[Alistair]

Been playing it a little since the F2P transition. Still love the IP, and meh on gameplay.

After playing Guild Wars 2, it's pretty clear IMO that SWtOR would be vastly better as a GW2 cone with Star Wars IP, from the dodging stuff, to the "buy it then play for free forever" profit model.

I really think GW2 got it right for the MMO genre going forward. Pay up front once, play forver with no real restrictions/limits. A cahs shop for some side-stuff like looks and conveneicnes at most.

[Space Panda]

a star wars guild wars game would rule. WvWvW but in star wars form would fucking rule. it's kind of what i thought ilum would be like (lol).

[Fallout]

Noticed today that the lower XP gain for F2P players is actually quite a large difference, if you finish every single quest on a planet you come out 2 or so levels below what you normally would. Before F2P it seemed you could skip quite a few quests and continue with the story and still be over leveled or the same level as the next planet.

[Tyrehl]

Noticed today that the lower XP gain for F2P players is actually quite a large difference, if you finish every single quest on a planet you come out 2 or so levels below what you normally would. Before F2P it seemed you could skip quite a few quests and continue with the story and still be over leveled or the same level as the next planet.

This is so retarded :( they are really trying hard to break the game for F2P players. Btw 1.6 on PTR.

[Warpath]

Only checked the last couple of pages so dunno if this has been posted already? review of the f2p changes that this bloke didn't like.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb9o_0C6zg8


Seems this f2p implementation is even more restrictive and retarded than eq2's?

[Paradox]

I love that they've called the market the "cartel" it's pretty fucking descriptive.

[lt]

They had 1.000.000+ paying subs at last count and you believe they'll go f2p soon?! :psyduck:.

:TpTlk:

bahhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahaah, you look like a mother fucking retard now

Didn't now half a year was soon, but that's ok, I can live with being wrong about f2p in a game I've never played.

[Tyrehl]

Im also butthurt that the game was a disappointment, no reason to jump on each other's throats. And just 1 year before the launch I was worried that it will be too good that it will hurt my social life. Yeah right. o\
Anyway, the new operation is kinda cool but I have the feeling that the Hard mode is just a gear check. My guild isn't really the best around, but they understand the mechanics pretty well (after 2-3 wipes). The first TFB boss feels like a wall on HM, tanks take a bit too much damage (not substantially but you can feel the lack of full campaign+ gear), healers are getting strained, DPS is almost enough. :/ But the mechanics are decent/fun, even if it isnt something revolutionary. I just wish there was a better game where I can actually tank (the only thing I enjoy in wow-like MMO's).

[Alex Caine]

Meh, I quite enjoy this game. The f2p is pretty terribad though.

[Joe Appleby]

Downloading. I love SW, expect a fix of the IP and expect an utterly shit implementation of f2p.

[theBlind]

necro since this is currently keeping me from launching stuff in KSP.
I just started playing, got a jedi knight at 28 and a trooper at 20 (sucker for the light side that I am), going through the story and currently it's KOTOR 3 with other players.

I think the game is far from perfect, but also not bad at all. I'm enjoying myself. It should be said though that I subscribed. I work at work, I don't want to work when gaming.

Since the last few pages stretch over half a year, are there any completely unviable builds or characters? Or something I should do in any case lest I regret it?

[Aramendel]

Play an Imperial Agent. Best story of them all.

[Helfix]

Play an Imperial Agent. Best story of them all.

I enjoyed the SW/Inquisitor storylines as well