The Old Republic (better than DayZ)

[Lilan kahn]

playing on not one of the main servers as republic, 3 warzones in 7 hours :working as intended:

[Kaianna]

They're going to have to scramble like fuck to fix this one. Might be the fastest game death since WAR at this rate :p

[Lilan kahn]

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2971/patch11awesome.png

Would you like to know more?

[Space Panda]

you know, you can move your operations panel so it isn't in the way of your left toolbar. it's in userinterface -> options -> toggle operations bar or something like that.

[Lilan kahn]

:effort: got all the buttons i need any way

[Wrack]

Convenient of them to do it the day before subscriptions get billed for the first time though.

[Tyrehl]

Whats going on on Ilum /o\

[Aramendel]

If you subscribe the first month you get now a title and a medal... Does that smell like desperation to anyone of you too?


Hey, guys, if you subscribe you get a cool title! And a medal! Just like Luke and Han in "A New Hope". That's cool, right?
Guys?
...
Guys?

[Itiken]

If you subscribe the first month you get now a title and a medal... Does that smell like desperation to anyone of you too?

I can, indeed, confirm the sky is not only falling but the game is dead.

[lubica]

emergency patch today 3pm - 7 pm CET

Also, fuck Illum changes and fuck the new instance as well. What a buggy, un-optimized pile of crap. And it's a bitch to tank with every 3rd mob knocbacking me 40 yards or spamming a 30s long interrupt without a cooldown (zombie screamers and mercenaries).

[Loganbacca]

Looks like there was a stealth buff for slicing I am seeing a marked improvement from crew mission gains.

Same here. Not so much for moderate/abundant yield missions, but definitely for rich yield missions (haven't done any bountiful). I'm now reliably getting 3000-4000 credits from class 5 premium credit boxes.

[mira o'karr]

sub runs out tomorrow. will not renew as it looks.
the ilum patch was just a tad too retarded (and so were the people that kept rezzing into the zerg to provide free valor).

also, my (RL) heal companion has left me over a silly fight and stupid choice of words which makes me sad. (but that is a story for the emo thread im afraid).
was short but sweet this mmo now it can become a part of my memory.

[Malaes]

They're going to have to scramble like fuck to fix this one. Might be the fastest game death since WAR at this rate :p

Don't think its quite that bad yet..

[mira o'karr]

also, i knew it was a mistake to roll on a german server but by god did i not expect the magnitude.
being in a guild feels like having been drafted into the SS. give some one a title and they go power mad instantly.
wtf.

[Itiken]

come join us on Trask Ulgo (Rp-PvE). Got a populous, chilled and sociable guild here on the Empire side, with almost no crying, whining, bitching or other dickish behaviour.
It's pretty odd.....

[Fallout]

Just got this today. whos more overpopulated Sith or Republic?

[mira o'karr]

might do this tbh. empire, eh. i m used to being rep underdog though :)
should explore my evil side maybe.

[mira o'karr]

Just got this today. whos more overpopulated Sith or Republic?

sith. definately. 10 sith to each republic. at least thats what it feels like.

[mira o'karr]

double post

[Daco]

Looks like there was a stealth buff for slicing I am seeing a marked improvement from crew mission gains.

Same here. Not so much for moderate/abundant yield missions, but definitely for rich yield missions (haven't done any bountiful). I'm now reliably getting 3000-4000 credits from class 5 premium credit boxes.

NOOOOO I just recently nuked my 400 slicing :(

[Winged Nazgul]

Oh hey, free Rift weekend to past subscribers. What a coincidenk.

[Kaianna]

One good thing, Empire no longer dominate warzones on my server. We win almost all of the level 50 bracket ones now, whereas before their level 50 premades would be up against 30's, 40's and lower.
9 wins in a row for my weekly, hahaha.

[Itiken]

After assuming at launch that the PvP would be horribly unbalanced, underwhelming buggy shite that causes more tears than an asshole full of chilli oil... cani have a prize ?

[mira o'karr]

One good thing, Empire no longer dominate warzones on my server. We win almost all of the level 50 bracket ones now, whereas before their level 50 premades would be up against 30's, 40's and lower.
9 wins in a row for my weekly, hahaha.

i find that on my server i have to deal with a lot more clueless 50s without gear now.
i d rather have 5 lowbies with valor 30+ than 5 50s with valor 1-10

[Kaianna]

One good thing, Empire no longer dominate warzones on my server. We win almost all of the level 50 bracket ones now, whereas before their level 50 premades would be up against 30's, 40's and lower.
9 wins in a row for my weekly, hahaha.

i find that on my server i have to deal with a lot more clueless 50s without gear now.
i d rather have 5 lowbies with valor 30+ than 5 50s with valor 1-10


Sadly, and due to the shitty way gear and the PvP stat works, I wouldn't.

I wish it WAS a game where a smart lvl 20 could beat a geared levl 50 reliably, but thats not THIS game.

[mira o'karr]

hm seems they have disabled ilum completly. the speeder taxi at the landing zone is gone for the moment...
no daily today it seems

[lubica]

You can still get there ya know, there is a tunnel at the westmost point on the pve side of Illum. Afaik, they've disabled the speeders so people are forced to walk/drive themselves around the map. Supposedly this increases the chances of pvp in places other than on the Republic Base doorstep. Yes, it's a massive pile of wank. The return speeder from your base to the shuttle still works tho.

[Cerzi]

Oh hey, free Rift weekend to past subscribers. What a coincidenk.

I actually wanted to play Rift again after this mess, but then remembered how Trion nerfed all the challenge into a big bland easy mush.

[Stormscion]

main problem i had with rift ( good game ) , is that they pretty much dumbed down soul system and to be honest , that was best part of the game.

[Kaianna]

They're going to have to scramble like fuck to fix this one. Might be the fastest game death since WAR at this rate :p

Don't think its quite that bad yet..

No, very true. Just thought the comparison amusing as it's mostly the same devs doing the PvP :p

[Malaes]

Seems the servers are back up.

[Cerzi]

main problem i had with rift ( good game ) , is that they pretty much dumbed down soul system and to be honest , that was best part of the game.

How'd they dumb it down? I stopped playing before HK and didn't really follow it at all.

Just logged in to check out my old char. Was the best geared tank on firesand but looks like that is pretty meaningless now. Also have no idea what these new mechanics are all about.

[Sirial Soulfly]

Christ they nerfed yesterdays buff to slicing already... those fucking devs sure know how to get people annoyed at them.

[L'oiseau]

They're going to have to scramble like fuck to fix this one. Might be the fastest game death since WAR at this rate :p

Don't think its quite that bad yet..

No, very true. Just thought the comparison amusing as it's mostly the same devs doing the PvP :p
Deja vu is all I can say.

[Mavolio]

Did the new instance they added in the patch, 1st boss is easy, bonus boss has to be top 3 for 4 man difficulty and last boss is super easy. Also they have fixed Revan now so instead of the lightning ticking for 18k its tank able by any class in any spec because of how much they nerfed it.

I'm also currently enjoying the new loading screen they have put in inside the loading screen, it was a masterful move on their part allowing them at a stroke to double the number of loading screens!

[Lilan kahn]

i unsubed yesterday, hello eve, cya in 6 months swtor

[Logan Feynman]

So, let me get this straight:

Within a month, total server population has dropped 30%? http://www.swtorarena.com/statistics/

And now EA stock is falling as investors start showing concerns about the game? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ea-falls-on-broker-concerns-about-star-wars-2012-01-19?siteid=yhoof2

And they have no endgame to speak of and PVP is broken and the stories are mostly shit and voiceovers are hit and miss and their first patch screws up open world pvp even more? http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01/18/swtors-new-patch-makes-a-mess-bioware-looking-into-it/

And, one day before they charge for next month's subscription, the "unsubscribe" button vanishes for some people and anyone posting workarounds on official forums gets their thread deleted and a forum warning? http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01/19/swtor-unsubscribe-goes-missing-for-some/

http://i.imgur.com/iJvSZ.png

This looks like an epic, epic disaster of a game.

[Aramendel]

the stories are mostly shit and voiceovers are hit and miss

I wouldn't say that. Obviously not everything is good, but there are more good ones than bad ones.

[Sirial Soulfly]

You forgot to mention the manic way they use their nerfbat on stuff like crew skills.
The nerfing and buffing and then murdering of slicing certainly got me all riled up.
Un subbed, fuck you Bioware.

[Isyel]

the stories are mostly shit and voiceovers are hit and miss

I wouldn't say that. Obviously not everything is good, but there are more good ones than bad ones.

The story stuff is pretty decent, except for the fact that like in WAR it's all HURR DURR WE EMPIRE WE SMASH and the republic is clearly shit etc.

The rest of the game is quite sad though :(

[Aramendel]

Jepp. Hoping I can still play it in 6 months, another playthrough with another class would be nice then.

[mitthrawn]

So, let me get this straight:

Within a month, total server population has dropped 30%? http://www.swtorarena.com/statistics/

And now EA stock is falling as investors start showing concerns about the game? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ea-falls-on-broker-concerns-about-star-wars-2012-01-19?siteid=yhoof2

And they have no endgame to speak of and PVP is broken and the stories are mostly shit and voiceovers are hit and miss and their first patch screws up open world pvp even more? http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01/18/swtors-new-patch-makes-a-mess-bioware-looking-into-it/

And, one day before they charge for next month's subscription, the "unsubscribe" button vanishes for some people and anyone posting workarounds on official forums gets their thread deleted and a forum warning? http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01/19/swtor-unsubscribe-goes-missing-for-some/

http://i.imgur.com/iJvSZ.png

This looks like an epic, epic disaster of a game.
Still playing, still having fun. What an epic disaster of a game.

[mitthrawn]

fucking double post

[Kaianna]

So, let me get this straight:

Within a month, total server population has dropped 30%? http://www.swtorarena.com/statistics/

And now EA stock is falling as investors start showing concerns about the game? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ea-falls-on-broker-concerns-about-star-wars-2012-01-19?siteid=yhoof2

And they have no endgame to speak of and PVP is broken and the stories are mostly shit and voiceovers are hit and miss and their first patch screws up open world pvp even more? http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01/18/swtors-new-patch-makes-a-mess-bioware-looking-into-it/

And, one day before they charge for next month's subscription, the "unsubscribe" button vanishes for some people and anyone posting workarounds on official forums gets their thread deleted and a forum warning? http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01/19/swtor-unsubscribe-goes-missing-for-some/

http://i.imgur.com/iJvSZ.png

This looks like an epic, epic disaster of a game.
Still playing, still having fun. What an epic disaster of a game.

I just subbed for another month, so i'm obviously still enjoying it enough. They DO need to move fast to sort some shit out though.

[GiDiYi]

It's pretty funny for me. It's a shitstorm that doesn't affect me, except giving me a nice distraction when I need a break at work and want to read some rage about a serious business light saber thing on the internet.

As I've said, for me it's a single player game with a chat window and a little fun with strangers when I feel like it (THIS DIDN'T SOUND GAY AT ALL!!).

I am too dumb to read those statistics. There are about 250 servers. What's the average population of a server? Is it 5k? I really can't see it on those axis's.

[Daco]

Jumping in on the still having fun crew.

[Sparq]

I unsubbed a few days ago before they could hit me for my first payment. It was an alright game to start with, but ... not something I want to keep paying them each month for.

[Space Panda]

the whole thing is blown out of proportion. sure, ilum was being camped, but nobody was getting battlemaster in a day. also the decline in server population since day one is sort of expected, yes? for one, it was the holiday season when the game was released, and MMOs always have bad retention. some financial analyst saying something means fuck all, since the fact that he has that job is hilarious. if he was so good at the market, why doesn't he get rich instead of watching the numbers for some fucking MMO?

yeah, still having fun crew checking in.

[Malaes]

the whole thing is blown out of proportion. sure, ilum was being camped, but nobody was getting battlemaster in a day. also the decline in server population since day one is sort of expected, yes? for one, it was the holiday season when the game was released, and MMOs always have bad retention. some financial analyst saying something means fuck all, since the fact that he has that job is hilarious. if he was so good at the market, why doesn't he get rich instead of watching the numbers for some fucking MMO?

yeah, still having fun crew checking in.

I agree with everything you have said! Shit does happen, at least they fixed it within 24hrs.

[Lilan kahn]

badly taught out patch is still bad, and the fact that even tho swtor was in beta for a fairly long time it took them a month to fix smugler vs agent.

i played for the pvp mostly as republic as there wasn't any thing else to do, due to the number of republics compared to empire.

enjoy playing swtor: the sith edition

[Isyel]

badly taught out patch is still bad, and the fact that even tho swtor was in beta for a fairly long time it took them a month to fix smugler vs agent.

i played for the pvp mostly as republic as there wasn't any thing else to do, due to the number of republics compared to empire.

enjoy playing swtor: the sith edition

They havent fixed it yet tbh.

Lol dat kick that roots you in place while they can stun on the move! yay!

[mira o'karr]

lately what shits me even more than the smuggler v agent kick is that my heals take a good extra half a second to land. move a tad too early and GG heal canceled. even when it was fully cast through.
i guess thats what every one is refering to with the ability delay.

in any case. started a bounty hunter to see the other side and because i too want to rocket spam all day erryday :D
sub is canceled and should have run out by mid night but still able to play...

[mira o'karr]

lately what shits me even more than the smuggler v agent kick is that my heals take a good extra half a second to land. move a tad too early and GG heal canceled. even when it was fully cast through.
i guess thats what every one is refering to with the ability delay.

in any case. started a bounty hunter to see the other side and because i too want to rocket spam all day erryday :D
sub is canceled and should have run out by mid night but still able to play...

[Loganbacca]

Jumping in on the still having fun crew.

That's because we didn't power level to end-game and still have class stories to play through.

Confirming I'm part of the still having fun, don't give a toss about end-game crew.

[Chrien]

Obviously 1.1 wasn't the best of patches, but if you take out the Ilum fuck up its actually a good patch. The only negative I see is that stupid loading screen inside a loading screen. They introduced a new flashpoint and fleshed out Kragga's place making it a full Operation. So right now for PvE endgame we have the following:
6-7 Flashpoints (Single group dungeons basically) - I'm assuming Hardmode on this, and I can't be bothered counting them.
2 Operations (with 3 levels of difficulty, Normal, HM and Nightmare).
Thats pretty decent endgame content for a MMO 1 month after release.
They squashed a fair few bugs in 1.1, including some vital ones in the PvE endgame.

The biggest headache for them has to be the PvP endgame right now. I PvP alot, I play Republic. Ilum is terrible for me. Firstly the Sith roll in one big massive zerg which republic can't hope to match, and secondly the zone runs terribly. That said I love the layout and design of Ilum, its filled with caves, ridges and interesting terrain that has the potential to be interesting for roaming group pvp. Having played a ton of warhammer I observed on voice comms to my guildies that the terrain was far more interesting than any of the numerous RvR lakes that Mythic put in that game, and they agreed. They really need to get on top of the valor system however, people grinded quite hard to hit 60 and suddenly the valor gains in ilum makes all that time wasted because its so easy now.

All that said, I log in everyday and have tons of fun doing both PvE and PvP and am getting far too little sleep. I resubbed and I haven't had a single member of my guild of 20+ express any reservations about resubbing. My server (The Swiftsure) is packed with people and it feels like there are more people on the server, not less.

tl;dr: Game is imperfect, I am having alot of fun, am not noticing population decline and I am resubbing.

[Mavolio]

So, let me get this straight:

Within a month, total server population has dropped 30%? http://www.swtorarena.com/statistics/

That only covers Christmas into school period a 30% drop isn't shocking and i also wouldn't be shocked if they increased server cap at some point once people got out of the starter zone and spread out which would further affect those results.

[Chrien]

I don't know how to read the graphs on that site, they haven't labeled one of the axis. What measurement of population are using, if they're using the Bioware tags of Light, Standard, Heavy etc its basically worthless

[Mavolio]

Yeah its only using the load tags as their isn't any other way to measure populations atm (other than ./who every zone on every server). So its horribly in accurate as it could be light load upto 70% then medium is 80% ect which would mean its super bad.

But it does show that server populations are just starting to pick up WHEN!! server down time.....

[Chrien]

Well its also because those definitions shift. Full load in early access was significantly less than it is currently as an example. We don't know how often Bioware tweaks the number of players on a server.

Not that I'm worried, I play on The Swiftsure which is the busiest server in the game, on Saturdays & Sundays during the Australian afternoon / prime time on the west coast the server has a queue of 1000-2000 people... so... yeah...

[lubica]

I'm also p. sure that we didn't have 2 instances full of people in Imp. Fleet at launch and that said instances would never reach ~300 peaks... Had some loldrama in our guild yesterday, when a couple of retards (who were on the shitlist anyway) decided that they're gonna be usseless to the guild and lock themselves into Eternity Vault with a different guild. Cue booting tiem! Then we took this Finnish guy who naturally doesn't speak a word of Slovenian and told him to Power-offtank-tech the fuck out of the whole thing where needed even tho he was never there before. Ended up 1- or 2-shotting everything and had loads of fun, so I dropped a ginvite on the guy, he seemed chill enough :)

The loading screen within a loading screen needs to be Xhibitized tho!

[Wrack]

They nerfed the everliving fuck out of Soa. Gharj is harder than him now.

[Itiken]

Jumping in on the still having fun crew.

That's because we didn't power level to end-game and still have class stories to play through.

Confirming I'm part of the still having fun, don't give a toss about end-game crew.

's good innit.
the only quitters i'm aware of from our guild are guys who seem to play 23/7, almost entirely solo, have 2+ 50's and spend as much time raging about 'bugs' and 'shitty interfaces' as eve players. I kinda feel sorry for them.

[lubica]

Jumping in on the still having fun crew.

That's because we didn't power level to end-game and still have class stories to play through.

Confirming I'm part of the still having fun, don't give a toss about end-game crew.

's good innit.
the only quitters i'm aware of from our guild are guys who seem to play 23/7, almost entirely solo, have 2+ 50's and spend as much time raging about 'bugs' and 'shitty interfaces' as eve players. I kinda feel sorry for them.

so much this.

e: tho now that I'm 50 for 2+ weeks the newly introduced bugs on top of the old ones did raise my blood pressure a bit.

[Kaianna]

Jumping in on the still having fun crew.

That's because we didn't power level to end-game and still have class stories to play through.

Confirming I'm part of the still having fun, don't give a toss about end-game crew.

's good innit.
the only quitters i'm aware of from our guild are guys who seem to play 23/7, almost entirely solo, have 2+ 50's and spend as much time raging about 'bugs' and 'shitty interfaces' as eve players. I kinda feel sorry for them.

so much this.

e: tho now that I'm 50 for 2+ weeks the newly introduced bugs on top of the old ones did raise my blood pressure a bit.


This is my situation. Been 50 for a bit without powerlevelling, so the new issues riled me somewhat. Calmed down now though, and there's tons of 50 content i've still not done, so all good.

[Kaianna]

Jumping in on the still having fun crew.

That's because we didn't power level to end-game and still have class stories to play through.

Confirming I'm part of the still having fun, don't give a toss about end-game crew.

's good innit.
the only quitters i'm aware of from our guild are guys who seem to play 23/7, almost entirely solo, have 2+ 50's and spend as much time raging about 'bugs' and 'shitty interfaces' as eve players. I kinda feel sorry for them.

so much this.

e: tho now that I'm 50 for 2+ weeks the newly introduced bugs on top of the old ones did raise my blood pressure a bit.


This is my situation. Been 50 for a bit without powerlevelling, so the new issues riled me somewhat. Calmed down now though, and there's tons of 50 content i've still not done, so all good.

[Iloni Atoriandra]

Got 1 char to 50 while on holiday but still have quite a few to level up for their storylines. Just started getting enough 50s in guild to start doing some raids and things and still enjoying it a lot.

[Trindermon]

Got 1 char to 50 while on holiday but still have quite a few to level up for their storylines. Just started getting enough 50s in guild to start doing some raids and things and still enjoying it a lot.

Confirming that life in the guild is fun ;-) even if i suck at being on mumble due to wife issues ;).

I have played a bunch of chars to around 25 so far, and think ive finally decided on my Inquisitor (assassin) who is tank speced and lvl 31 now. I hope to get him to 40 over weekend as the wife is away - i suspect she will arrive home on sunday to me dead @ my PC covered in cheesey dorito dust. @ 40 ill buy the LvL 40 PvP set, (tanking one); and try to start learning to tank instances properly with none shitty gear.

Have ahardly touched trade skills as yet - i am honestly thinking of rerolling them in to biochem for stims @ 50. having fun so far, but i dont take mmo's that seriously thesedays so its great casual fun.

[Isyel]

I'm also p. sure that we didn't have 2 instances full of people in Imp. Fleet at launch and that said instances would never reach ~300 peaks... Had some loldrama in our guild yesterday, when a couple of retards (who were on the shitlist anyway) decided that they're gonna be usseless to the guild and lock themselves into Eternity Vault with a different guild. Cue booting tiem! Then we took this Finnish guy who naturally doesn't speak a word of Slovenian and told him to Power-offtank-tech the fuck out of the whole thing where needed even tho he was never there before. Ended up 1- or 2-shotting everything and had loads of fun, so I dropped a ginvite on the guy, he seemed chill enough :)

The loading screen within a loading screen needs to be Xhibitized tho!

Why would you want to play in a guild of slovenians... oh god the horror.

[AssaultHamster]

Honestly wish I didnt buy the damned thing. The PvP is "meh", and I couldn't stand to look at another round of Huttball even if my left testicle depended on it.

The other half is getting some mileage out of it at least, she loves her some PvE storylines, so I guess its good for that. Keeps harassing me every damn time a Light/Dark dialogue option comes up though, "What do you think I should pick?" (Whatever is the one that involves less walking.), "I want to pick dark but then the character wont like me" (Its ok love, its just a bunch of pixels) and "Oh no, I done something horrible, I'm a terrible person" (Thats nice dear.)

She's also not good at grasping the concept of min/maxing over picking whatever quest reward "looks the prettiest". :/

[Ruri]

Honestly wish I didnt buy the damned thing. The PvP is "meh", and I couldn't stand to look at another round of Huttball even if my left testicle depended on it.

The other half is getting some mileage out of it at least, she loves her some PvE storylines, so I guess its good for that. Keeps harassing me every damn time a Light/Dark dialogue option comes up though, "What do you think I should pick?" (Whatever is the one that involves less walking.), "I want to pick dark but then the character wont like me" (Its ok love, its just a bunch of pixels) and "Oh no, I done something horrible, I'm a terrible person" (Thats nice dear.)

She's also not good at grasping the concept of min/maxing over picking whatever quest reward "looks the prettiest". :/

Someone playing a videogame just to have fun??? The horror!

[Daco]

Honestly wish I didnt buy the damned thing. The PvP is "meh", and I couldn't stand to look at another round of Huttball even if my left testicle depended on it.

The other half is getting some mileage out of it at least, she loves her some PvE storylines, so I guess its good for that. Keeps harassing me every damn time a Light/Dark dialogue option comes up though, "What do you think I should pick?" (Whatever is the one that involves less walking.), "I want to pick dark but then the character wont like me" (Its ok love, its just a bunch of pixels) and "Oh no, I done something horrible, I'm a terrible person" (Thats nice dear.)

She's also not good at grasping the concept of min/maxing over picking whatever quest reward "looks the prettiest". :/

Someone playing a videogame just to have fun??? The horror!

Not to mention his wife/partner/gf playing video games, Assault is probably the last person that should be complaining about anything in this thread...

[Isyel]

Honestly wish I didnt buy the damned thing. The PvP is "meh", and I couldn't stand to look at another round of Huttball even if my left testicle depended on it.

The other half is getting some mileage out of it at least, she loves her some PvE storylines, so I guess its good for that. Keeps harassing me every damn time a Light/Dark dialogue option comes up though, "What do you think I should pick?" (Whatever is the one that involves less walking.), "I want to pick dark but then the character wont like me" (Its ok love, its just a bunch of pixels) and "Oh no, I done something horrible, I'm a terrible person" (Thats nice dear.)

She's also not good at grasping the concept of min/maxing over picking whatever quest reward "looks the prettiest". :/

You're a disgrace, get out... :/

[I Legionnaire]

Lol tried to log into today to play, and due to the patch it wants me to re-download 11gigs of files. No thanks, unsubbed.

[Aramendel]

ITT people with bad internet connections.

[Isyel]

Lol tried to log into today to play, and due to the patch it wants me to re-download 11gigs of files. No thanks, unsubbed.

Really? Really?

The population of this forum got so much more terrible from the awful shithole that was SHC even... O_o

[Daco]

So I bought the Ten Kilometer Killer schematic for the sniper thinking yeah I will be able to make myself a sweet looking custom sniper rifle. Turns out I need to get 3 Biometric Crystal Alloys and to get them I need to fight the bosses on Hard-mode Flash-points or Operations which requires me to have more people in the party then just me and Logan.

And this is where the problem comes in, why do they don't have a way of letting you get a hold of these items without having to be in a group of 8 people, I want to get the cool looking PVE level 50 gear but to get it I'm going to need to run 6/7 Operations in a group of 8 people who also all want those items. Bioware need to give us players that don't want to be in a guild the ability to get hold of these items because it really seems like they're just giving us the middle finger when it comes to that gear.

[Space Panda]

are biometric crystal alloys bind on pickup? because if they aren't, then you can just pay the bloody chinese for some credits and maybe get the items from the GTN.

otherwise... why are you against joining a guild anyway? it's fun to warzone with dudes on coms, and the operations, honestly, are fun.

[Mavolio]

are biometric crystal alloys bind on pickup? because if they aren't, then you can just pay the bloody chinese for some credits and maybe get the items from the GTN.

They are BoP but they are easy enough to get if you just run a few instances and they dont take that long.

[lubica]

I'm also p. sure that we didn't have 2 instances full of people in Imp. Fleet at launch and that said instances would never reach ~300 peaks... Had some loldrama in our guild yesterday, when a couple of retards (who were on the shitlist anyway) decided that they're gonna be usseless to the guild and lock themselves into Eternity Vault with a different guild. Cue booting tiem! Then we took this Finnish guy who naturally doesn't speak a word of Slovenian and told him to Power-offtank-tech the fuck out of the whole thing where needed even tho he was never there before. Ended up 1- or 2-shotting everything and had loads of fun, so I dropped a ginvite on the guy, he seemed chill enough :)

The loading screen within a loading screen needs to be Xhibitized tho!

Why would you want to play in a guild of slovenians... oh god the horror.

We're a bunch of old farts that have been dicking around MMOs for a while (vin la cvicek)

[Yllegarn]

So I bought the Ten Kilometer Killer schematic for the sniper thinking yeah I will be able to make myself a sweet looking custom sniper rifle. Turns out I need to get 3 Biometric Crystal Alloys and to get them I need to fight the bosses on Hard-mode Flash-points or Operations which requires me to have more people in the party then just me and Logan.

And this is where the problem comes in, why do they don't have a way of letting you get a hold of these items without having to be in a group of 8 people, I want to get the cool looking PVE level 50 gear but to get it I'm going to need to run 6/7 Operations in a group of 8 people who also all want those items. Bioware need to give us players that don't want to be in a guild the ability to get hold of these items because it really seems like they're just giving us the middle finger when it comes to that gear.


:notsureiftroll:

I hope they keep giving you the middle finger. Classic "casual"-whining.
They have given you the ability, the ability to group up (with a guild or party). That you dont use that ability is a limitation you impose on yourself. Dont blame Bioware, just stand in Fleet and spam LFG... :P

If troll, nice one.

[Daco]

are biometric crystal alloys bind on pickup? because if they aren't, then you can just pay the bloody chinese for some credits and maybe get the items from the GTN.

otherwise... why are you against joining a guild anyway? it's fun to warzone with dudes on coms, and the operations, honestly, are fun.

Its not that I'm against guilds I just want to play it (dare I say) solo or with Logan how we have been, basically I can live without the Raid gear but imo the crafting should be a way of still getting gear similar (obviously not as good) to the raid gear but without having to be in a group, and by making me need 3 Biometric crystals it is forcing me to do HM FPs and Operations because after doing some reading those are the only places where I can get them and tbh I don't think 2 of us could handle it even with 2 healer companions.

I mean has anyone been able to get them without needing over 2 people and if you have then what FP did you run?

[Daco]

:notsureiftroll:

I hope they keep giving you the middle finger. Classic "casual"-whining.
They have given you the ability, the ability to group up (with a guild or party). That you dont use that ability is a limitation you impose on yourself. Dont blame Bioware, just stand in Fleet and spam LFG... :P

If troll, nice one.

I'm not whining (and with the amount I game atm because of not having a job I wouldn't consider myself casual) as I said in the post above me, I just want some cool "looking" gear, I'm not concerned about stats I just want gear that looks cool. Tbh I didn't want a KoToR online I wanted KoToR 3 but we didn't get that and I have to live with that. But why should I have to make more internet buddies to get to stuff that I am paying to get.

Also I doubt standing in the fleet shouting out LFG is going to help because you'll get the retards that say "I want that for my companion" and then I have to run that same quest again just to get an item I want. As I said before the crafting should be a way to get you some of this cool "Looking" gear without having to play with a group of people.

[Space Panda]

are biometric crystal alloys bind on pickup? because if they aren't, then you can just pay the bloody chinese for some credits and maybe get the items from the GTN.

otherwise... why are you against joining a guild anyway? it's fun to warzone with dudes on coms, and the operations, honestly, are fun.

Its not that I'm against guilds I just want to play it (dare I say) solo or with Logan how we have been, basically I can live without the Raid gear but imo the crafting should be a way of still getting gear similar (obviously not as good) to the raid gear but without having to be in a group, and by making me need 3 Biometric crystals it is forcing me to do HM FPs and Operations because after doing some reading those are the only places where I can get them and tbh I don't think 2 of us could handle it even with 2 healer companions.

I mean has anyone been able to get them without needing over 2 people and if you have then what FP did you run?

fair enough. and i don't think anyone has been able to solo a hardmode fp. i wonder if it will ever be possible. sucks that the materials are bind of pickup, too. maybe they'll change that? the economy needs more interaction, damnit.

[Yllegarn]

As I said before the crafting should be a way to get you some of this cool "Looking" gear without having to play with a group of people.

Ok, that I can agree with. Crafting should be able to get the "look" but not the stats.
Imo Bioware went full retard when it came to crafting. Despite the major nerfbat swing at Biochem (and slicing) they are still the only truly viable and usable crewskills. All of the "crafting skills" just plainly sucks, and the few "goodies" that exist are all BoP.

However, as a Jedi Knight Guardian it does not matter anyway. All armours are "hood up" and fucking ugly.

[mira o'karr]

PTR 1.1.1 http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=212341

ok so as a smuggler i have no reason to play scrapper any more if the change goes through.
so much unjust whining about the burst, its not funny.

with the 50 only warzones the problem had solved it self yet it isnt even in for a week and they feel they need to neuter scrapper completely by means of knee jerk nerfs.
no word about sorc shields and aoe or that resolve is not given on chokes, lifts and other stuns.
as it is i can barely make the 5k medal without adrenals and stims if i happen to come across a sorc whose shield has just expired.
50% armor reduction on fletchett round or not, heavy and medium armor and the expertise reduction does not allow for the same high crits i was getting on lowbies.

hm i could play as healer... yea subpar healer compared to sage/sorc. actually i currently run as healer and the typical scenario is that i am being focused, i run around like benny hill if i am not choked, lifted, stunned into oblivion, abuse my under 30% emergency med pack and hope that i can distract them for 30 seconds so my team has a chance to cap or kill some one.
i swear, in my medium armor i feel weaker than the sage in his light.

this pvp balancing team is beyond terrible.

on the upside. despite my expired sub i can still play.
i suppose at least BWs incompetence pays off in that regard.

[Rachag]

Switched my impending 6 month sub to 1 month.... bought a bottle of gin with some of my released cash, nerfing IA abilities that affect pve just to fix pvp is crap.

There is just too much wrong with this game currently for me to get any real satisfaction out of it, even viewing it as single player it's turning out shite.

Edit: Lubica has an awesome avatar. 8-)

[epictetus]

Patch fucked up game for me. Now have flickering and invisible enemies. Will see if they fix within a few days or if i have to find something else to play :(

[lubica]

PTR 1.1.1 http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=212341

ok so as a smuggler i have no reason to play scrapper any more if the change goes through.
so much unjust whining about the burst, its not funny.

with the 50 only warzones the problem had solved it self yet it isnt even in for a week and they feel they need to neuter scrapper completely by means of knee jerk nerfs.
no word about sorc shields and aoe or that resolve is not given on chokes, lifts and other stuns.
as it is i can barely make the 5k medal without adrenals and stims if i happen to come across a sorc whose shield has just expired.
50% armor reduction on fletchett round or not, heavy and medium armor and the expertise reduction does not allow for the same high crits i was getting on lowbies.

hm i could play as healer... yea subpar healer compared to sage/sorc. actually i currently run as healer and the typical scenario is that i am being focused, i run around like benny hill if i am not choked, lifted, stunned into oblivion, abuse my under 30% emergency med pack and hope that i can distract them for 30 seconds so my team has a chance to cap or kill some one.
i swear, in my medium armor i feel weaker than the sage in his light.

this pvp balancing team is beyond terrible.

on the upside. despite my expired sub i can still play.
i suppose at least BWs incompetence pays off in that regard.
Ok, from my perspective as a Jugg, I can calmly tell you that I consider both operative/smuggler as well as sorc/sage somewhat-to-very overpowered and I've got almost 500 expertise now, valour 30+. The operative will use his knockdown stun (does not fill resolve to 100%) and rip into me, as his main burst ability just bypasses my shield and armour and by the time I get back on my feet I'm at 40% hp. At this point I can try to do as much damage as possible, blow my CDs, but if it looks like I might succed, the operative can just re-stealth and gtfo, or wait out my CDs in stealth and finish me off at his leisure. Sage/sorcs on the other hand can just stand there, in light armor, shielding and healing, dotting and nuking a bit, while I bash on them for ages. And then I die. Granted, as full Immortality tank spec, I can interrupt and cc the fuck out of him, but if I screw up JUST ONCE, it's gg, since my damage is too low to make up for my mistakes. /endofwhine

Seriously, operatives deserve to be nerfed, just as much as sorcs, mercenaries/troopers seem somewhat balanced to me, it's kill or be killed, about 50/50 chances from my experience, marauders/sentinels in 1v1 situations offer a damn good fight - a race to see whose healthbar hits 0 first.

As far as resolve: chokes do affect it, as well as everything else, but it fills up far too slow imho, I'd say that anything that stuns or incapacitates a player for 3 or more seconds should grant a full resolve bar.

[mira o'karr]

knockdown fills resolve bar 100% every time and you can break out of it btw with the escape every one gets. break free, stun/lift/choke me and that is that.
put a dot on my and there goes my vanish. once i have the opener done i am out in the open and every half decent team will focus me asap.
more often then not my vanish is on cooldown, yes i swoop in get the kill on some one at half health and run off to wait out the 5 sec restealth timer.
it does entirely not need any nerfs of the class for some one to realise they need to keep me in combat and prevent my restealthing.
maybe every one is just tunnel visioning but yea, if you let me restealth i freely i ll cap the point and kill the 3 people that def.
this is not a class issue though.

it is hard to crit 5k+ since the 50s warzone. 5k, that is 1/3 of your health and i cant recall when i crit on a guardian for 5k since the warzone changes. wait, i havent, despite 50% armor reduction and adrenals/buffs.


its cool though. every one may think what they think but infact they are breaking the scrapper with this change. that leaves me what? a broken dot tree (dirty fighting) and a lack luster healing tree.

(full champ gear, rank 51 btw)

[Skeptic]

Switched my impending 6 month sub to 1 month.... bought a bottle of gin with some of my released cash, nerfing IA abilities that affect pve just to fix pvp is crap.

There is just too much wrong with this game currently for me to get any real satisfaction out of it, even viewing it as single player it's turning out shite.

After hitting 50 in a week and spending a few days fannying about cancelled my mandatory sub and didnt play at all for the remaining two weeks of the first month. End game was dire, PvE instances and raids were woeful and badly undertuned to the point it was almost like your playing some coin-op beat em' up, battlegrounds were dull at best. They need to put some serious work in to the mechanics and balance of the entire experience at 50, part of the issue was having no point of reference to how classes perform like a dps/hps meter outside of the battlegrounds. Watched the video of the kill trading in Ilum and honestly I think they have blown it already, so much potential but failed to deliver so far. Would love to see accurate sub figures on this, would be very interesting.

Would like to add that for the first week of the early access up to 40 on a Marauder then to 50 on a Inquisitor at launch were great fun. Perhaps the issue was that with playing through the beta then playing a lot at launch I had already taken everything out of the game I had wanted, the massively underwhelming end game just was not worth the money for me.

[lubica]

knockdown fills resolve bar 100% every time and you can break out of it btw with the escape every one gets. break free, stun/lift/choke me and that is that.
put a dot on my and there goes my vanish. once i have the opener done i am out in the open and every half decent team will focus me asap.
more often then not my vanish is on cooldown, yes i swoop in get the kill on some one at half health and run off to wait out the 5 sec restealth timer.
it does entirely not need any nerfs of the class for some one to realise they need to keep me in combat and prevent my restealthing.
maybe every one is just tunnel visioning but yea, if you let me restealth i freely i ll cap the point and kill the 3 people that def.
this is not a class issue though.

it is hard to crit 5k+ since the 50s warzone. 5k, that is 1/3 of your health and i cant recall when i crit on a guardian for 5k since the warzone changes. wait, i havent, despite 50% armor reduction and adrenals/buffs.


its cool though. every one may think what they think but infact they are breaking the scrapper with this change. that leaves me what? a broken dot tree (dirty fighting) and a lack luster healing tree.

(full champ gear, rank 51 btw)
Fair enough, you're far more familiar with the class than I am, I just wanted to give you an outside perspective, that a tank class gets buttfucked far too quickly for my taste, also rage management (I want to own you, but I have 1 rage) -.-

Also, the CC-breaker is on a 2 min CD (90s talented, defense tree), one has to use it incredibly judiciously, and I refuse to use it on animation-heavy CCs as it takes another full second just for the character to get on his feet and be able to do shit again.

[mira o'karr]

K.O. the soon to be only 1.5 sec knock down for a full resolve bar is about THE time you want to use it.
my vanish is talented on a 2 min cool down as well. just saying.

if you use your break free any where use it on the op/scoundrel knockdown.

guardian aoe 5k crits, no one complains, guardian hitting 8k on low levels with adrenals, no one complains.

[Aramendel]

put a dot on my and there goes my vanish.

Doesn't evasion clear dots and stuff?

[mira o'karr]

nope. i can try to triage before i vanish but that doesnt get all negative effects.

i often vanish any way as the speed boost is significant for a few seconds and often lets me dodge behind a wall.

[mira o'karr]

the op/scoundrel nerf is a direct result of OMG YOUTUBE CRIT VIDEO, team being crappy and having tunnel vision instead of an eye for the other and wrong positioning.

if you are by yourself, no matter what class you are, i ll most likely kill you. as scrapper, dirty fighting or sawbones. likely due to better gear and yes, in such a situation i can disengage.
this does NOT make the class op though. come to think of it, if you are a healing class i probably wont kill you and just give up and run off :D

[Kaianna]

Mixed feelings. I have a 40 Scrapper, so boooo.
OTOH, I get raped by fucking Operatives all the time on my Commando, so yaaaay.

In balance: meh.

[Kaianna]

FUCKING DOUBLE POSTS AAAARGH.

[Aramendel]

nope. i can try to triage before i vanish but that doesnt get all negative effects.

i often vanish any way as the speed boost is significant for a few seconds and often lets me dodge behind a wall.

I am not talking about tirage/toxic scan.

But about dodge/evasion. The 2 sec "avoid all attacks" ability. For Scoundrels and Operatives it also "removes all hostile removable effects when used".

[Isyel]

Switched my impending 6 month sub to 1 month.... bought a bottle of gin with some of my released cash, nerfing IA abilities that affect pve just to fix pvp is crap.

There is just too much wrong with this game currently for me to get any real satisfaction out of it, even viewing it as single player it's turning out shite.

After hitting 50 in a week and spending a few days fannying about cancelled my mandatory sub and didnt play at all for the remaining two weeks of the first month. End game was dire, PvE instances and raids were woeful and badly undertuned to the point it was almost like your playing some coin-op beat em' up, battlegrounds were dull at best. They need to put some serious work in to the mechanics and balance of the entire experience at 50, part of the issue was having no point of reference to how classes perform like a dps/hps meter outside of the battlegrounds. Watched the video of the kill trading in Ilum and honestly I think they have blown it already, so much potential but failed to deliver so far. Would love to see accurate sub figures on this, would be very interesting.

Would like to add that for the first week of the early access up to 40 on a Marauder then to 50 on a Inquisitor at launch were great fun. Perhaps the issue was that with playing through the beta then playing a lot at launch I had already taken everything out of the game I had wanted, the massively underwhelming end game just was not worth the money for me.

Well yeah... burnout much? :P

[mira o'karr]

nope. i can try to triage before i vanish but that doesnt get all negative effects.

i often vanish any way as the speed boost is significant for a few seconds and often lets me dodge behind a wall.

I am not talking about tirage/toxic scan.

But about dodge/evasion. The 2 sec "avoid all attacks" ability. For Scoundrels and Operatives it also "removes all hostile removable effects when used".

dodge only increases your chance to .. well dodge ranged and melee attacks for a few seconds. i m pretty sure it doesnt remove any negative effects. there are talents that gives you a speed boost and it is a nice stay alive cooldown but i m not aware of it removing any neg effects.

[mira o'karr]

stupid forum making me double post

[Aramendel]

dodge only increases your chance to .. well dodge ranged and melee attacks for a few seconds. i m pretty sure it doesnt remove any negative effects.

Then I suggest you check your skills.

Operatives and scoundrels get a "free" skill which boosts that ability (avoidance training and lucky dodge, to be precise). Making it having that aforementioned effect *in addition* to that avoidance effect. And I am not "pretty" but 100% sure of that :p

What I am *not* sure of is if it works as advertised or is bugged and/or it's description is wrong. I typically forget to use it when vanishing with my operative.

[Shaikar]

Not played the game so won't comment on the shitstorm that seems to be brewing either way, but just say this and it made me laugh in light of the last few pages of this thread. :)

http://www.lo-ping.org/2012/01/20/the-swtor-story-as-told-by-episode-iii-and-v/

[mira o'karr]

dodge only increases your chance to .. well dodge ranged and melee attacks for a few seconds. i m pretty sure it doesnt remove any negative effects.

Then I suggest you check your skills.

Operatives and scoundrels get a "free" skill which boosts that ability (avoidance training and lucky dodge, to be precise). Making it having that aforementioned effect *in addition* to that avoidance effect. And I am not "pretty" but 100% sure of that :p

What I am *not* sure of is if it works as advertised or is bugged and/or it's description is wrong. I typically forget to use it when vanishing with my operative.

wow you are right. seems a passive thats why i never noticed.
i ll keep an eye on whether it works as advertised or not.
so my get out of jail card is a 1 min and a 2 min ability.

still, i stand by it. scrapper is fine as is. (and i m currently not even playing a scrapper but a dirty fighting/sawbones hybrid)

edit: so i was having a look at it in combat but to be honest, even a dodge/vanish i got pulled out by dot damage.
it does remove effects, i noticed some icons disappear when i popped it but with these tiny icons and no way to decently track buffs and debuffs i m not sure what it removed, or if it removed everything.
the ui is rather meh in this regard.
like i said. i may have gotten unlucky but twice i dodged then vanished and both times i still got pulled out.
one was in heavy combat so perhaps aoe but the other one was in a 2v1 sorc/op

[Loganbacca]

Looks like Starfleet Dental is back:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lChtQMv6vgQ


So for the smuggler, which is more fun for PVE, Gunslinger or Scoundrel?
I don't have a cloaky character yet, so would be interested in taking scoundrel for that, although the space cowboy in the intro cinematic makes me want to roll gunslinger.

[Isyel]

I think scoundrel has terribad sustained dps...

[Lilalaunebör]

Oh god the intro vid made me want to puke, red dead redemption in space? Whats the hat for, prevent space-sunburn? Dualwielding handguns is the most retarded thing anyone can come up with (okay, second to "stab myself in the leg doublebladed lightsabre"). At least the IA gets a sniper rifle.

Scoundrel gets stealth + hot healing which tends to be massively favoured in other mmos.

[Isyel]

Oh god the intro vid made me want to puke, red dead redemption in space? Whats the hat for, prevent space-sunburn? Dualwielding handguns is the most retarded thing anyone can come up with (okay, second to "stab myself in the leg doublebladed lightsabre"). At least the IA gets a sniper rifle.

Scoundrel gets stealth + hot healing which tends to be massively favoured in other mmos.

You're the worst...

[Wrack]

ok so as a Scissors i have no reason to play scrapper any more if the change goes through.

no word about Rock shields and aoe or that resolve is not given on chokes, lifts and other stuns.

hm i could play as healer... yea subpar healer compared to Rock.
i swear, in my medium armor i feel weaker than the Rock in his light.

this pvp balancing team is beyond terrible.

Whatthefuckisthisshit.jpg, go back to the official forums

- Paper

[Spaztick]

Fuck you all.

- Bioware devs.

[noobcake]

good to see the same fanbois are relentlessly defending the SWTOR/BioWare development team...The game is actually getting worse the longer I play it. I've got 28 days left on my one month sub, and I cant really see a reason to extend beyond that. Between broken quests, terrible endgame pvp/pve, and a generally terrible community, the game really offers nothing more than the grind to 50.

I keep saying it, and none of you avid defenders of BioWare will ever concede this fact, but SWTOR will be going f2p within 24 months.

[epictetus]

I keep saying it, and none of you avid defenders of BioWare will ever concede this fact, but SWTOR will be going f2p within 24 months.

Who gives a shit what happens in 24 months? As long as its moderately enjoyable for more than 2 months its a lot better than most of the competition.

[Skeptic]

If they get two years of decent subs out of this think you can probably call it a successful venture. Give it 6 months after the content dries up, whenever that may be.

[Kaianna]

lol at "will fail within 2 years".
Fancy narrowing that down since 99% of MMOs don't last 2 years?

[Sparq]

lol at "will fail within 2 years".
Fancy narrowing that down since 99% of MMOs don't last 2 years?

If I had to venture a guess (and this is a forum on the internet where I like the look of my own writing, so I do) I'd say the implication is that there is nothing about SWTOR that makes it any better than any other MMO on the market, so it's assumed that it'll be going to go down the same murky path to F2P - despite the sometimes rabid/less-than-grounded-in-reality denials voiced by some of its defenders.


Broken quests - check
Broken patches - check
Terrible endgame pvp/pve - check
Terrible community - check
Terrible community management - fuck'en check
Grind to 50 - check



... which is a shame, because with the sort of heritage the IP has for turning straight into gold I honestly thought SWTOR had a shot at being The Next Big Thing rather than yet anther bang-into-whimper within a few months time ...



~ that being said, I'm not trying to rag onto people still enjoying the game, best of luck to you in fact ... even if I think you're a little masochistic :p

[noobcake]

~ that being said, I'm not trying to rag onto people still enjoying the game, best of luck to you in fact ... even if I think you're a little masochistic :p


well, yeah...i know what youre saying. Im not exactly trying to get people to stop playing, but more like get the vehement defenders of BioWare to realize that the game isnt as perfect as theyre all telling us it is.

[Nottheface]

Really don't get why the hate on for this game. Like EVE isn't for everyone niether is SWTOR. Personally it doesn't click for me but my wife loves every minute of it. That I don't care for it doesn't make it any less of a success (despite the snafus every mmo has at launch. Play a better game or wait for the next best option to release.

Unless you are a star wars galaxies fan and this game killed your game. By all means take the piss out of it then.

[Isyel]

Really don't get why the hate on for this game. Like EVE isn't for everyone niether is SWTOR. Personally it doesn't click for me but my wife loves every minute of it. That I don't care for it doesn't make it any less of a success (despite the snafus every mmo has at launch. Play a better game or wait for the next best option to release.

Unless you are a star wars galaxies fan and this game killed your game. By all means take the piss out of it then.

But it didn't... SWG killed itself :P

[Lilalaunebör]

[QUOTE=Kaianna;350033]

Broken quests - check
Broken patches - check
Terrible endgame pvp/pve - check
Terrible community - check
Terrible community management - fuck'en check
Grind to 50 - check




I agree with everything except "grind to 50" because that there is the enjoyable part of the game for me. So i dont view this as money wasted, but will put it aside once ive done an empire playthrough.

The thing that bugs me most is that, for a game copying the usual wow mechanic when it comes to pve gameplay, they are impressively bad at copying the right stuff.

Guardian now at 45, still slow as fuck but ultra safe, still no chance to do group content on republic side.

[Mavolio]

I made a ticket to try and get a refund on an item i brought by mistake, took them over a week to reply and they didn't even read the ticket. I had twice as much info as they needed and they replied with some stock reply that didn't even make sense.

1) They ask me to make a new ticket with info that was in the original ticket
2) They then tell me to put seesaw in the e-mail subject after telling me to send a new ticket not an e-mail
3) They didn't give me the e-mail address to send the e-mail to any way

If i didn't know what their response was going to be i would make a post on the official forum.


Since there is an existing thread on the topic of (insert topic here), we’ve closed this thread in an effort to consolidate discussion. You can find the existing thread here:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=199170

Please continue your discussion at the above link. Thanks!.

^^ Only seen 2 types of dev post so far. This one and a longer version that says the exact same thing + some forum rules. Its like they have 5 guys doing customer support and they are all just copy + pasting for their lives atm.

[Jags]

Just finished the Sith Inq storyline , was quite good tbh. Endgame stuff is fuckin woeful and getting a decent group from randoms is impossible. So many fuckin retards its unbelievable.

27 days on my one month sub for me then thats it , single player/sort of group storyline was worth the dosh though

[Jags]

Just finished the Sith Inq storyline , was quite good tbh. Endgame stuff is fuckin woeful and getting a decent group from randoms is impossible. So many fuckin retards its unbelievable.

27 days on my one month sub for me then thats it , single player/sort of group storyline was worth the dosh though

[Chrien]

loling at the bads in this thread who can't do very simple endgame content that require only four people. Either they're retarded from birth or WoW's LFD tool has made them retarded, not sure which.

And lol @ the scoundrel/op crying. This is standard MMO fare, OP class gets nerfed (maybe a tad too much) to shit and has to endure what it inflicted upon others for a while, then it will get tweaked up again. Developers always over compensate when it comes to attempted balancing.

[jbend9620]

loling at the bads in this thread who can't do very simple endgame content that require only four people. Either they're retarded from birth or WoW's LFD tool has made them retarded, not sure which.

And lol @ the scoundrel/op crying. This is standard MMO fare, OP class gets nerfed (maybe a tad too much) to shit and has to endure what it inflicted upon others for a while, then it will get tweaked up again. Developers always over compensate when it comes to attempted balancing.

yeah, but fuck rogues.

[Chrien]

yeah, but fuck rogues.

I agree fuck rogues.

[Chrien]

yeah, but fuck rogues.

I agree fuck rogues.

[Space Panda]

operatives still rape, so stop crying. on huttball, i always use the expertise thingies on the left and right of mid, then gank anyone regardless of his level with a touch of my relics. they die.

and noobcake, who the fuck is saying that bioware and swtor are perfect? lol.

[UV]

Broken quests - check
Broken patches - check
Terrible endgame pvp/pve - check
Terrible community - check
Terrible community management - fuck'en check
Grind to 50 - check



Broken quests - have yet to encounter a truly 'broken' quest. A few slightly confusing pointers, a couple of bugged mobs that disengage as quick as you do once you notice, but nothing 'broken'. I have one of all 4 Imp classes (41, 32, 18, 12) and one Jedi Shadow (18) so maybe I haven't gotten there yet.
Broken patches - I downloaded all gajillionty gigabytes of DCU:O (which has been out for a lot longer) a bit after it went F2P and it crashed every time I left a building. Was fixed when I tried after a month and a few patches. This game may have made a serious mis-step with the Ilum business, but shit happens. Roll an alt and enjoy some story. Nobody's boot.ini has evaporated afaik. It seems like some people think that because this game (apparently) nicked loads of stuff from WoW (never played it) that they instantly have a team looking after it that are the reincarnation of Blizzard with all their expertise. It's a new codebase, new organisation, re-combining of ideas and mechanics.
Terrible endgame pvp/pve - haven't made it that far, but having a lot of fun playing all warzones, Huttball included. You won't win every encounter, even if you think you should have, probably because you missed something or some class is (at the current time) OP in comparison to you. Give it time, enjoy getting as good as you can. I'm making tons of money/XP/loot out of PvP and I haven't even tried as hard as I know I can yet.
Terrible community - dunno, I stay away from forums and ingame channels as every MMO I've ever played contains too much of humanity's worst failures to make the successes worth hanging around for.
Terrible community management - no experience of that, but I will say that the whole launch debacle was as disappointingly bad as every other recent AAA MMO release. The 'Cancel Sub' button disappearance was hilariously poor.
Grind to 50 - What the hell are you doing? It's a massive version of KOTOR. Why would it be such a 'grind'?! While I might have hoped by this day and age to be playing that game with Crysis-level visuals and this duration, it'll do nicely. I'll be a bit pissed off when I hit 50 and run out of storyline, cos what's left until the next expansion is something I can do with any of my chars when they hit that point.


Honestly, get a decent guild and start having a laugh with it. I played Eve for 7 years, but after the first few months of playing, it certainly wasn't the mechanics that kept me around. It was the fun I had with my Corp, winning or losing. If you don't have/find that, maybe no MMO of this era will give you whatever buzz you're looking for.

I'd like to know what people complaining are playing that is ticking all these boxes, because the only thing that's even remotely caught my attention is Guild Wars 2 and that's not even got a release date yet.

[Sparq]

Grind to 50 - What the hell are you doing? It's a massive version of KOTOR. Why would it be such a 'grind'?! While I might have hoped by this day and age to be playing that game with Crysis-level visuals and this duration, it'll do nicely. I'll be a bit pissed off when I hit 50 and run out of storyline, cos what's left until the next expansion is something I can do with any of my chars when they hit that point.
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Honestly, get a decent guild and start having a laugh with it. I played Eve for 7 years, but after the first few months of playing, it certainly wasn't the mechanics that kept me around. It was the fun I had with my Corp, winning or losing. If you don't have/find that, maybe no MMO of this era will give you whatever buzz you're looking for.

I'd like to know what people complaining are playing that is ticking all these boxes, because the only thing that's even remotely caught my attention is Guild Wars 2 and that's not even got a release date yet.Brool cory, sto.

But if you read up a little you'd see I'd converted a part of somebody elses post into that list. Possibly my-bad though, because the line I meant to quote exactly was "the game really offers nothing more than the grind to 50.", not just "Grind to 50".

[Aramendel]

His point is that it shouldn't really be considering a "grind". It usually implies something which is just an annoying time-intensive thing you have to do before getting to stuff you actually want to do, like the endgame. It's like saying "Witcher 2 doesn't really offer more than the grind to the end of the game". Sure its an MMORPG, but that does not mean that getting to max level is a grind.

[Sandzibar]

didnt feel grindy at all leveling to 50.. grinding out the valor needed to get to VR60 on the same 3 wz's was a bit grindy however.

1-50 was piss.. but then the levels start going from 10k needed up to 47k needed :D

[Iloni Atoriandra]

Ive still only gotten 1 char to 50 so far and enjoy the storylines so even with a shitty end game (its not really shitty but haters gonna hate) theres still a good amount of play time left to go through.

[Space Panda]

http://www.swtor.com/blog/georg-zoeller-gives-update-ability-delay

if they actually fix this, then a lot of you brutors will be less mad.

[Helfix]

Ive still only gotten 1 char to 50 so far and enjoy the storylines so even with a shitty end game (its not really shitty but haters gonna hate) theres still a good amount of play time left to go through.

I'm still enjoying the game as well. Still going through the empire story lines and having fun. Maybe I am having fun because I never set uber high expectations. I just wanted a decent story line/game play via KOTOR 1/2 and it's what I am getting.

[Itiken]

http://www.swtor.com/blog/georg-zoeller-gives-update-ability-delay

if they actually fix this, then a lot of you brutors will be less mad.

You must be new here :)

[Wrack]

Ability delay is exactly the sort of thing that developers will say they have fixed in 5 different patch notes while not actually fixing. EVE chat bugs anyone?

[Daco]

YAY FOUNDER TITLE \O/\O/\O/....

I was hoping it would be something more when the mail came in :\

[Azmodeus Valar]

YAY FOUNDER TITLE \O/\O/\O/....

I was hoping it would be something more when the mail came in :\


Nothing like an elite/exclusive title that only one million people will have.

[lubica]

YAY FOUNDER TITLE \O/\O/\O/....

I was hoping it would be something more when the mail came in :\


Nothing like an elite/exclusive title that only one million people will have.

Mammah alwais sed we waz speshul.

[Tipz NexAstrum]

I am enjoying it.

[mira o'karr]

my RL healer companion is talking to me again \o/
renewed sub playing twink :)

[noobcake]

http://youtu.be/3-TChrg5foo

also, they are aware of problems related to Ilum PVP

http://www.swtor.com/blog/ilum-pvp-issues

[Aramendel]

"We release part of the content now and part of it later, that's how epic it is" :lol:

Next they try to sell bugs as "unique challenge to the player"...

[VARRAKK]

TOR already spewing out bittervets, Im impressed.

[Sandzibar]

TOR already spewing out bittervets, Im impressed.

bittervetting isnt a singular game product... its a whole lifestyle choice.

[lubica]

My guild and I tried some hardmodes and nightmares in EV yesterday, most of the fights are really just a slight upgrade from normal mode, slightly more hp on mobs/boss, shorter enrage timer, or whatever. Did the first 2 on hard, pillars on NM and solo bosses on hard again (healers got 3-shotted on our only NM try). The difficulty switching worked quite smoothly, altho if you do that before Gharj, be ready to clear tash again. The only really annoying thing was completing the pillars boss on NM and getting normal (columi) loot. Fakayu dolphin.

HM Soa was a different bowl of cookies, the floating segemtns you have to jump on get destroyed a bit quicker, Soa bugged twice by not getting his Orb Charges removed during this phase properly and promptly blew us up on the 2nd plateau. Also the Ball Lightnings proved to be rather difficult to handle, especially if 2 spawn on the same spot or, when occasionally an invisible ball would spawn, seen only via its nameplate. Also, the tank got punched in the face quite a bit more than on normal difficulty, so with all the random damage on raid, people running around like headless chickens and various incapacitates (grap and trap) healing is not easy. A challenge then for our guild of arthritic keyboard turners, finally.

[Isyel]

TOR already spewing out bittervets, Im impressed.

bittervetting isnt a singular game product... its a whole lifestyle choice.

Indeed... you can be a bittervet before even playing a game.

[Freddy Dare]

Bittervets are sooo last year

[Cerzi]

Listen, despite how much I hate this MMO and everything it stands for.... I'm actually really enjoying it. I went back to play Rift a bit over the weekend and it made me realize just how awesome and satisfying the combat in TOR is. I'm also at lvl 45 now with my tank spec'd PowerTech, and have enjoyed the increased challenge over the last few levels. I keep myself maxed out on the best gear (and my dps companion, Gault) and normally only do orange missions but there have been standard fights where I've been forced to use my cooldowns wisely to make it through, and it's actually felt borderline satisfying. Not like other MMOs of this ilk where solo pve is painfully easy that it becomes this tedious timesink.

I'm actually enjoying combat on Voss. It'll probably be nerfed though, if someone in maxed out gear with 15 years MMO experience faces challenges, I'd like to think new players would have real trouble. But I guess thats what makes having "too many" quests a good thing. If you're struggling, you stick around and clean up all the green/yellow quests. Same works for the Flashpoints. I find that by the time they con yellow to me I've already got several sets of loot from the place. Nothing like tanking/healing stuff 5 levels below the recommended level (same as in Rift).

I just wish they would be less stingy with the XP for people 2-manning the 4-player heroics/flashpoints. Doing them with a tank & healer and 2 dps companions is surprisingly fun and challenging (I mean level appropriate stuff, too)- it'd be awesome if it were a viable way to grind xp.

[Lilalaunebör]

Listen, despite how much I hate this MMO and everything it stands for.... I'm actually really enjoying it. I went back to play Rift a bit over the weekend and it made me realize just how awesome and satisfying the combat in TOR is. I'm also at lvl 45 now with my tank spec'd PowerTech, and have enjoyed the increased challenge over the last few levels. I keep myself maxed out on the best gear (and my dps companion, Gault) and normally only do orange missions but there have been standard fights where I've been forced to use my cooldowns wisely to make it through, and it's actually felt borderline satisfying. Not like other MMOs of this ilk where solo pve is painfully easy that it becomes this tedious timesink.

I'm actually enjoying combat on Voss. It'll probably be nerfed though, if someone in maxed out gear with 15 years MMO experience faces challenges, I'd like to think new players would have real trouble. But I guess thats what makes having "too many" quests a good thing. If you're struggling, you stick around and clean up all the green/yellow quests. Same works for the Flashpoints. I find that by the time they con yellow to me I've already got several sets of loot from the place. Nothing like tanking/healing stuff 5 levels below the recommended level (same as in Rift).

I just wish they would be less stingy with the XP for people 2-manning the 4-player heroics/flashpoints. Doing them with a tank & healer and 2 dps companions is surprisingly fun and challenging (I mean level appropriate stuff, too)- it'd be awesome if it were a viable way to grind xp.

Cant say ive got much experience, but i did tank Red Hand at level 41. The incoming damage wasnt even the problem, but getting dodged 60% of your attacks means you have to rotate taunts / stuns like mad. Just arrived on Voss, too, but i started a marauder on empire side and am enjoying the gameplay on him much more atm (although the story behind Voss sounds like it might be interesting).

[Space Panda]

haven't tested it out myself, but according to the forums, the actually did fix ability delay, along with a bit of optimization to improve overall fps.

[Isyel]

It does feel more responsive...

[mitthrawn]

Anyone else noticed that imps totally suck in warzones? on my server (basilisk droid, eu pvp) I haven't won a single warzone in two days with my assassine. With my Sage (same server) warzones feel like easy mode pvp. -.-

[Space Panda]

Anyone else noticed that imps totally suck in warzones? on my server (basilisk droid, eu pvp) I haven't won a single warzone in two days with my assassine. With my Sage (same server) warzones feel like easy mode pvp. -.-

it's pretty even on my server (nudist rebels, east coast pvp).

[Isyel]

Anyone else noticed that imps totally suck in warzones? on my server (basilisk droid, eu pvp) I haven't won a single warzone in two days with my assassine. With my Sage (same server) warzones feel like easy mode pvp. -.-

A lot of the bads rerolled empire due to being outnumbered and wanting an easy game. :P

[Itiken]

Went through the red reaper flashpoint with a guild group yesterday and had a cracking time, but i can imagine that the 2nd and 3rd bosses wouldn't be much fun with a PUG, especially as it seems the RP server we are on managed to get most of the distributed brains from EU servers.

Was a bit wipey, using the tried and tested: "I'll turn the boss 180 and hit it a bit, see what happens" strategy and work the rest out from there.

While 4+ Elite pulls when they are spread over a whole room, linked, are pretty fucking mean to tank, it stops things from getting boring. (aka prot 3 button tanking)

[lubica]

While 4+ Elite pulls when they are spread over a whole room, linked, are pretty fucking mean to tank, it stops things from getting boring. (aka prot 3 button tanking)

If you use only 3 buttons to tank here, even healers will be pulling aggro off you. Making threat (properly, everytime, esšecially with a guarded marauder and a well geared mercenary in group) is hard.

[Itiken]

Correct.

[Cerzi]

I tanked Red Reaper at 41 with a pug, we wiped once on the 2nd boss but that was it. Was all our first time there, but figured out the 2nd boss as we wiped to him. For the next attempt i made sure that only me and the one other who I'd identified as not bad did the flag switching and the other 2 just treated it as tank and spank, and it went fine.

Last boss was a joke, he did so little damage that there was plenty of time to read buff icons and figure stuff out. At 41 though the 2 minions were red to me so it was really hard to interrupt, and my pug seemed pretty incapable of doing it, but they went down eventually. For the power up phase I was the only one who realized we had to collect the power up things, but that was enough as I was the only one taking damage (taunt cycling meant even when he random aggrod he wouldn't hit anyone else).

This is pretty much why I roll a tank main if I think I'll be pugging it. No other role can carry pugs like this.

[Sirial Soulfly]

Totalbiscuit interviews Gabe Amantangelo, the lead developer of operations, flashpoints and pvp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oLjXIQneuE

[Wen Jaibao]

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Lol.

[ElweSingollo]

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Lol.


Well tbh given the nature of the internet beast not suprised since the comments would just be trolled to fuck with haters/lovers getting into hissy fits and fights about ea/bioware why u so bad or the opposite argument and pretty much any reasoned discourse would be completely drowned out in the general melee.

that being said

GABE WHY U MAKE A DA PVP SUCK SO BAD!!!!!!!

[Derpy'eart]

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Lol.


Well tbh given the nature of the internet beast not suprised since the comments would just be trolled to fuck with haters/lovers getting into hissy fits and fights about ea/bioware why u so bad or the opposite argument and pretty much any reasoned discourse would be completely drowned out in the general melee.


http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/ElweSingollo/lolveur.gif

[Mavolio]

There may be some things wrong with the game but at least they can make a simple sort by table without doing it wrong....

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/6130/sortbylevel.jpg

[Helfix]

There may be some things wrong with the game but at least they can make a simple sort by table without doing it wrong....

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/6130/sortbylevel.jpg

Yeah I've noticed that issue with sort as well, I did bug report it so will see :O....hopefully they also iterate a search feature soon as well....also....being able to open your email without going to the email hub....ughhhhh

[Rachag]

Okay....

i'm done with this game

will play till my sub runs out in Feb but today i resubbed with Rift for a year, that way i get patches, content, a competent development team and a game that works.

SWTOR: more effective at marketing RIFT than any advertising campaign.

[noobcake]

so...any bounty hunters having a hard time with the final quest in act 3 named "Number One with a Bullet"?? This shit is fucking hard, and you cant take a friend in with you to do it. =/

[Isyel]

You can always take someone with you, it just requires some creativity. :P


Okay....

i'm done with this game

will play till my sub runs out in Feb but today i resubbed with Rift for a year, that way i get patches, content, a competent development team and a game that works.

SWTOR: more effective at marketing RIFT than any advertising campaign.

Also the most sleep inducing generic setting i've ever seen. Game is solid, but it just feels horrible. All the solid gameplay in the world doesn't save a game with absolutely no soul to it.

[noobcake]

Also the most sleep inducing generic setting i've ever seen. Game is solid, but it just feels horrible. All the solid gameplay in the world doesn't save a game with absolutely no soul to it.

you could just as easily be talking about SWTOR...

[mira o'karr]

i bugged out dodging some shots :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMA7vOzq7_Q


i actually wish there was some bowdar dubstep.

[Isyel]

Also the most sleep inducing generic setting i've ever seen. Game is solid, but it just feels horrible. All the solid gameplay in the world doesn't save a game with absolutely no soul to it.

you could just as easily be talking about SWTOR...

Yes, SWTOR has a totally generic fantasy setting with absolutely no memorable elements. OHWAIT.

[Space Panda]

so...any bounty hunters having a hard time with the final quest in act 3 named "Number One with a Bullet"?? This shit is fucking hard, and you cant take a friend in with you to do it. =/

as a fellow BH, this concerned me. however, i just read on the forums that you can kind of exploit this by grouping with someone while you are on your ship, or another planet. you then can both travel to the instance. i'm not sure if this even makes sense, as i haven't gotten to this quest yet.

here is the thread: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=238818

[Isyel]

so...any bounty hunters having a hard time with the final quest in act 3 named "Number One with a Bullet"?? This shit is fucking hard, and you cant take a friend in with you to do it. =/

as a fellow BH, this concerned me. however, i just read on the forums that you can kind of exploit this by grouping with someone while you are on your ship, or another planet. you then can both travel to the instance. i'm not sure if this even makes sense, as i haven't gotten to this quest yet.

here is the thread: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=238818

It's not really exploiting... you just group, go to planet, they follow you, sort of.

I did it with the last JK quest, which is impossible solo unless you really abuse some explots.

[Kaianna]

so...any bounty hunters having a hard time with the final quest in act 3 named "Number One with a Bullet"?? This shit is fucking hard, and you cant take a friend in with you to do it. =/

as a fellow BH, this concerned me. however, i just read on the forums that you can kind of exploit this by grouping with someone while you are on your ship, or another planet. you then can both travel to the instance. i'm not sure if this even makes sense, as i haven't gotten to this quest yet.

here is the thread: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=238818

It's not really exploiting... you just group, go to planet, they follow you, sort of.

I did it with the last JK quest, which is impossible solo unless you really abuse some explots.


I helped a guildmate do the final Smuggler quest in the same way. It's not an exploit, you CAN group and board peoples ships.

[Wen Jaibao]

Look at this god. I have learned much from his ways.


http://youtu.be/SUUWIgm5ssE

(In case you don't get it, its showing how ridiculously easy merc/commandos are)

[Space Panda]

my god, that fucking video has made its way here. here is a reality check: that video shows some faggot premade raping another team, before the level 50 bracket was in place. any geared level 50, of any class, can spam a primary attack and rape level 16s. woah dude!

also, he'd do much more destruction if he actually used unload, railshot, and heatseeking missiles in conjunction with tracer missile. dumb.

[noobcake]

Look at this god. I have learned much from his ways.


http://youtu.be/SUUWIgm5ssE

(In case you don't get it, its showing how ridiculously easy merc/commandos are)

not really sure whats so "easymode" about that...Yes, tracer needs a longer cooldown, but I outdamage AND outkill that guy in almost every game with my Powertech. also, whats the point of only having one ability in your quickbar? To show how supremely awesome you are, only to have to open the abilities window when you need to use recharge and reload? dumbest pvp player i've ever seen make a video...and that includes some of the shit "pvp" videos eve players churn out.

[Kaianna]

As stated, vid is bullshit. Stacked premade raping weaker players, and he gets incredibly shit stats to boot.

Not sure that's achieving what you hoped.

[Space Panda]

Not sure it needs a directly longer cooldown. Instead, an incrementally increasing cooldown is needed. The reason is that in order to use other abilities with any effectiveness, tracer missile has to be applied to the target at least twice. So have the cooldown increase per shot, so a merc can still get off two missiles before the cooldown is too long to warrent the so called easy mode merc.

Edit: Then again, if you do the math, spamming tracer missile is completely suboptimal. An increased cooldown would force bad mercs to use other abilities, and in doing so, they would actually become less bad.

I don't want that. I think bads should remain bad. Keep tracer missile the same!

[Kaianna]

Not sure it needs a directly longer cooldown. Instead, an incrementally increasing cooldown is needed. The reason is that in order to use other abilities with any effectiveness, tracer missile has to be applied to the target at least twice. So have the cooldown increase per shot, so a merc can still get off two missiles before the cooldown is too long to warrent the so called easy mode merc.

Edit: Then again, if you do the math, spamming tracer missile is completely suboptimal. An increased cooldown would force bad mercs to use other abilities, and in doing so, they would actually become less bad.

I don't want that. I think bads should remain bad. Keep tracer missile the same!


When I use my merc and fight BH's spamming Tracer missile, I laugh so hard. And then rape them, utterly.
It's SHIT to spam. Entirely suboptimal in every way past 5 stacks on target.

[Wen Jaibao]

Mostly its just funny. Best part is when he's CC'd and keeps spamming tracer round.

[Space Panda]

Mostly its just funny. Best part is when he's CC'd and keeps spamming tracer round.

resolve, how does it work? you are shit.

[Wen Jaibao]

Look at you getting mad about video games. I'm talking about the part at 1:20 (He was stunned, but kept clicking tracer missile like it would break his CC)

[Isyel]

Look at you getting mad about video games. I'm talking about the part at 1:20 (He was stunned, but kept clicking tracer missile like it would break his CC)

Didn't get hard CCd.

It's not funny, neither amusing. Just an absolutely terrible player doing terrible stuff.

[Space Panda]

Look at you getting mad about video games. I'm talking about the part at 1:20 (He was stunned, but kept clicking tracer missile like it would break his CC)

i'm always mad, just as you are always bad.

[Wen Jaibao]

Well done sir.

[noobcake]

Mostly its just funny. Best part is when he's CC'd and keeps spamming tracer round.

resolve, how does it work? you are shit.

speaking of resolve, everything i've readon it says its used for CC immunity. People say "yeh just hit butan"...where is this button when i have a full resolve bar?

[Wrack]

You don't hit a button, it happens on its own. Once resolve fills all the way up, it changes from gray to white, stays full for a bit, then drains. You can't be CC'd or moved while it's white (either full or draining).

Note that snares, stuns, and interrupts neither build resolve nor are prevented by resolve.

[noobcake]

heh then ive been trolled p good by my guild mates :P

[Chrien]

You don't hit a button, it happens on its own. Once resolve fills all the way up, it changes from gray to white, stays full for a bit, then drains. You can't be CC'd or moved while it's white (either full or draining).

Note that snares, stuns, and interrupts neither build resolve nor are prevented by resolve.

Uh no... fundamental misunderstanding of how Resolve works. When bar turns white you have to hit your CC breaker (each class has one) and you then get CC immunity until the resolve bar drains.
Resolve does not reset your CC cooldown
Resolve does not automatically give you CC immunity
Resolve is not some form of diminishing returns on CC.
Resolve is a system that requires a player to be proactive to take advantage of it in both a defensive and offensive manner.
Eg. you can use one form of CC (eg a soft cc) to get them to waste their CC immunity, then pop a hard cc (such as a stun) and smash them. Same applies to you when you are CCed, if you ever use your CC breaker without white resolve you are exposing yourself to immediate CC if a player recognises your vulnerability

[noobcake]

You don't hit a button, it happens on its own. Once resolve fills all the way up, it changes from gray to white, stays full for a bit, then drains. You can't be CC'd or moved while it's white (either full or draining).

Note that snares, stuns, and interrupts neither build resolve nor are prevented by resolve.

Uh no... fundamental misunderstanding of how Resolve works. When bar turns white you have to hit your CC breaker (each class has one) and you then get CC immunity until the resolve bar drains.
Resolve does not reset your CC cooldown
Resolve does not automatically give you CC immunity
Resolve is not some form of diminishing returns on CC.
Resolve is a system that requires a player to be proactive to take advantage of it in both a defensive and offensive manner.
Eg. you can use one form of CC (eg a soft cc) to get them to waste their CC immunity, then pop a hard cc (such as a stun) and smash them. Same applies to you when you are CCed, if you ever use your CC breaker without white resolve you are exposing yourself to immediate CC if a player recognises your vulnerability

so then, wheres the CC breaker located? ffs, this is why they should put this shit in plain sight

[Space Panda]

yeah pretty much that^

here is the guide i read that halped: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=61363

edit: the bh resolve breaker is called Determination. it's orange/red and has the outline of a d00d on the icon. can't believe you haven't used it all this time you fuck!

[noobcake]

see i've used determination...i thought there was a different CC breaker for when you had a full resolve bar. I use determination, and Hydraulic Overrides a whole hell of a lot. Just never realized Determination was the resolve-CC breaker.

[Isyel]

It's a terribad system that barely (or pretty much doesn't) work tbh.

[Trindermon]

[QUOTE=Chrien;354415][QUOTE=Wrack;354402]
so then, wheres the CC breaker located? ffs, this is why they should put this shit in plain sight

Its in your abilitys list, like every other ability you have on your bar. Every class gets one. Called something different depending on your class.

EDIT: ignore me, i see someone has already answered you. Timing your resolve right is actaully a skill to be honest, (as is staying alive long enough to use it) - it does work btw, personally i think i prefer it to diminishing returns.

[Chrien]

CC breaker should auto reset on death tho imo. with a 2min cooldown you often don't have it up after you get smashed which is dumb.

[lubica]

no.

Blow your CD when it matters to keep you alive, don't use it when you're getting pounded by the entire enemy team in huttball.

[Trindermon]

no.

Blow your CD when it matters to keep you alive, don't use it when you're getting pounded by the entire enemy team in huttball.

I know, honestly - some people dont realised that when your getting focused by 8 people your fucking dying no matter what you press. In any game of this nature. If you get focused in group PvP your likely to cark it, its as simple as this.

[lubica]

no.

Blow your CD when it matters to keep you alive, don't use it when you're getting pounded by the entire enemy team in huttball.

I know, honestly - some people dont realised that when your getting focused by 8 people your fucking dying no matter what you press. In any game of this nature. If you get focused in group PvP your likely to cark it, its as simple as this.

Altho, I've had some epic moments in Ilum recently - tank spec - the few times that battles don't take place right on the entrance to the Rep base, but a bit further north, near the particle cannons, I've had the truly glorious luck to participate in 45 mins of 40v40 pitched battles and shit is just insanely good. Had the 'bad' luck to get pulled right into the middle of the enemy zerg and thnakfully the FPS lag was just bad enough that I could blow a couple of my defensive CDs before the first CC landed and the CDs ran out just when my resolve bar got full, pop CC breaker, pop every other CD I have and watch my health hold gloriously jump from 10% to 80% and back down due to 4 healers spamming their socks off on my ass and I just slowly walk out of the Republic zerg back to my boys, not giving a fuck, haters hating. I can only imagine how frustrating that must be for the other side, though in all honesty without those 4+ healers playing ping-pong with my healthbar I'd go splat faster than a bug at NASCAR. Surviving that felt GOOD.

[Wrack]

You don't hit a button, it happens on its own. Once resolve fills all the way up, it changes from gray to white, stays full for a bit, then drains. You can't be CC'd or moved while it's white (either full or draining).

Note that snares, stuns, and interrupts neither build resolve nor are prevented by resolve.

Uh no... fundamental misunderstanding of how Resolve works. When bar turns white you have to hit your CC breaker (each class has one) and you then get CC immunity until the resolve bar drains.

Uh no... the resolve bar going white makes you immune to new, incoming cc. Your CC breaker removes currently active CC. Totally unrelated to eachother. The resolve bar can fill and drain multiple times during a single cooldown of your CC breaker. If the resolve bar did nothing without using your CC breaker, why would it have such a short cooldown and the CC breaker such a long one?


Resolve does not reset your CC cooldown
Resolve is not some form of diminishing returns on CC.
I never said either of those things.


Resolve does not automatically give you CC immunity
Yes it does, it just doesn't break currently active CC.


Resolve is a system that requires a player to be proactive to take advantage of it in both a defensive and offensive manner.
Eg. you can use one form of CC (eg a soft cc) to get them to waste their CC immunity, then pop a hard cc (such as a stun) and smash them. Same applies to you when you are CCed, if you ever use your CC breaker without white resolve you are exposing yourself to immediate CC if a player recognises your vulnerability
Indeed. I quite like it. People rage who don't know how it works.

But the resolve bar and CC breaker still work completely independently of eachother and do different things.

[lubica]

You don't hit a button, it happens on its own. Once resolve fills all the way up, it changes from gray to white, stays full for a bit, then drains. You can't be CC'd or moved while it's white (either full or draining).

Note that snares, stuns, and interrupts neither build resolve nor are prevented by resolve.

Uh no... fundamental misunderstanding of how Resolve works. When bar turns white you have to hit your CC breaker (each class has one) and you then get CC immunity until the resolve bar drains.

Uh no... the resolve bar going white makes you immune to new, incoming cc. Your CC breaker removes currently active CC. Totally unrelated to eachother. The resolve bar can fill and drain multiple times during a single cooldown of your CC breaker. If the resolve bar did nothing without using your CC breaker, why would it have such a short cooldown and the CC breaker such a long one?


Resolve does not reset your CC cooldown
Resolve is not some form of diminishing returns on CC.
I never said either of those things.


Resolve does not automatically give you CC immunity
Yes it does, it just doesn't break currently active CC.


Resolve is a system that requires a player to be proactive to take advantage of it in both a defensive and offensive manner.
Eg. you can use one form of CC (eg a soft cc) to get them to waste their CC immunity, then pop a hard cc (such as a stun) and smash them. Same applies to you when you are CCed, if you ever use your CC breaker without white resolve you are exposing yourself to immediate CC if a player recognises your vulnerability
Indeed. I quite like it. People rage who don't know how it works.

But the resolve bar and CC breaker still work completely independently of eachother and do different things.

quotan' for postertity (meaning, for those people who use their posterior to think)

[Cerzi]

Yes, it isn't always optimal to use your cc breaker every time you get full resolve. At all. In fact for huttball, if you're a ball carrier, the cc breaker should be reserved almost exclusively for being stunned over the flame grill. That is the only situation where you're almost certain to die without being able to pass, regardless of all other factors.

From the other point of view, people need to stop burning ineffective cc on the enemy carrier and giving them resolve. Always funny to get a full resolve bar in the enemy half and happily stroll over the finish line. Gotta make it count.

Also protip (that good players should have figured out already): if you use the BH pull to pull someone to you spawn, they are auto killed. They also do not pass the goal line on the way. I'll let you figure out the rest.

[lubica]

Also protip (that good players should have figured out already): if you use the BH pull to pull someone to you spawn, they are auto killed. They also do not pass the goal line on the way. I'll let you figure out the rest.

That is incorrect from my personal experience as I've lost a very, very tense and close huttball match to that exact scenario. There may be some specific sub-rules or just code quirks that involve pathing and path syncing that allowed your BH to do that without losing your team a point, or that may be true for my situation. I do remeber the situation very clearly, as I was trying to stop the carrier from getting over the line, when our BH pulled him past me and we lost :facepalm:

[noobcake]

Also protip (that good players should have figured out already): if you use the BH pull to pull someone to you spawn, they are auto killed. They also do not pass the goal line on the way. I'll let you figure out the rest.


you know how many times i've forgotten about where i was, pulled the ball carrier, and given up a goal because of it? I'd venture a guess and say that youre completely wrong about this. Or do you mean pull them right into your spawn room (which i thought was out of pull range of anything)?

[Lilan kahn]

um once your resolve goes white, your cc immune.

you dont need to use your cc breaker, it ofc helps to time it better like not being stuck in flaming shit in huttball

[Cerzi]

Also protip (that good players should have figured out already): if you use the BH pull to pull someone to you spawn, they are auto killed. They also do not pass the goal line on the way. I'll let you figure out the rest.


you know how many times i've forgotten about where i was, pulled the ball carrier, and given up a goal because of it? I'd venture a guess and say that youre completely wrong about this. Or do you mean pull them right into your spawn room (which i thought was out of pull range of anything)?

As long as they land on the raised ledge they die without scoring. You have to be standing 1m away from the edge though or they drop down in front of you and score.

[Space Panda]

there are lots of rage threads about the powertech spawn pull. it's real, just silly to focus on. it only works if the stars align and you are in the right place at the right time. most of the people i see try it end up failing pretty hard.

and wrack: that dude, like me, thought you were implying that there was no butan to push in certain situations when the resolve bar is full. but yeah, in the end, you are both right.

[Mavolio]

You can also pass to people who are on the spawn ledge and they die instantly when they get the ball. When they die you get the ball back as well so you can do it to some one else.

[Itiken]

I'm starting to get pissed off by the lack of heavy armour Skirt / hooded robes - though thinking about it, warrior headgear hides robe hoods dunnit ?
Any tips on finding / getting some at late 40's would be greatly appreciated.

[stormyfs-shitpoastin]

dont think it does... my miralukan head with comedy hat-on-top-of-hat scenario just glitches through... havent found any hood-up warrior stuff, it's always hood down so you can look more badass

[Itiken]

it's making me start to wonder about the modded-up armour difference of light / medium & heavy armour. as the light just looks sweet, and the heavy looks, well, meh.

[Sandzibar]

I'm starting to get pissed off by the lack of heavy armour Skirt / hooded robes - though thinking about it, warrior headgear hides robe hoods dunnit ?
Any tips on finding / getting some at late 40's would be greatly appreciated.

planet commendation vendors? auction house? some of the 2 man / 4man heorics on the early planets can be easily solo'd and will reward moddable orange chests.

you get hood up if you set hide head slot item in social options - or use a gay headband helmet item :D

[Isyel]

I'm starting to get pissed off by the lack of heavy armour Skirt / hooded robes - though thinking about it, warrior headgear hides robe hoods dunnit ?
Any tips on finding / getting some at late 40's would be greatly appreciated.

Ahahahah... don;t wish for hoods. All the jedi knight armors from lvl 20 on have a fucking hood and it's horrible. I want some without a fucking hood for a change...

[Sandzibar]

I'm starting to get pissed off by the lack of heavy armour Skirt / hooded robes - though thinking about it, warrior headgear hides robe hoods dunnit ?
Any tips on finding / getting some at late 40's would be greatly appreciated.

Ahahahah... don;t wish for hoods. All the jedi knight armors from lvl 20 on have a fucking hood and it's horrible. I want some without a fucking hood for a change...

You can always strip the mods out of orange trooper gear and replace with str/end ones for faggy glowstick using - but kewl liek stormtroopa!

[lubica]

Itiken: check the PvP vendors for lvl 40 moddable set 'of Entropic Assault', also, check with your local synthweaver, as there is a lvl 48+ moddable chestpiece with hood up they can make, only the colour is gray -.- Other than that, the champion chest+head looks p. decent actually, takes a couple of days to get used to it tho :p

[noobcake]

someone care to explain how this makes any sense?

http://i.imgur.com/IGCYM.jpg

I'm Stan, all the way at the bottom. I wanted to see something, as I was noticing that my good games (30+ kills, 150k+ dmg) were giving me less XP than my shit games (less than 10 kills, less than 100k dmg). So I went into a corner during this game of huttball after getting involved in some action just to make sure i got some XP. How does my line constitute 22k XP, but my "good" games net me less than 15k? I'm almost 50, so I dont give a shit for this character, but im confused as hell because it happens on all my characters =/

[Lilan kahn]

wining gives more

[Daco]

I find if I do stuff like guard and the action that makes people shoot you then you get more xp then just overall kills.

[Cerzi]

Basic use of guard and taunt + aoe taunt easily nets you 7+ medals. I can't seem to get more than 9 but almost always get at least 8 in a match, with 60-100k in protection. Tanks are basically medal whores.

And more medals = more valor & commendations.

[Fitzy]

Maintenance on a weekend? wtfisthisshit.jpg

[DevilDude]

Maintenance on a weekend? wtfisthisshit.jpg

I'd go to their forums but I fear the howling would deafen me.

[Wrack]

Hello everyone! We have temporarily disabled posting for all community members on Star Wars™: The Old Republic™ Forums.

We will update this thread when posting has been enabled again, and we apologize for any inconvenience. Thank you for your patience!

Figured out how to solve that problem, didn't they.

[Daco]

Maintenance on a weekend? wtfisthisshit.jpg

I'd go to their forums but I fear the howling would deafen me.

They have disabled posting :lol:

[Isyel]

Hello everyone! We have temporarily disabled posting for all community members on Star Wars™: The Old Republic™ Forums.

We will update this thread when posting has been enabled again, and we apologize for any inconvenience. Thank you for your patience!

Figured out how to solve that problem, didn't they.

That's pure EA genius right there.

hahah

[Chrien]

They do that everytime the server goes down, even for standard maintence.

[Loganbacca]

Even still, the forums usually get overloaded and start dropping people in queues.

Patches on weekends are still derp though.

[DevilDude]

They do that everytime the server goes down, even for standard maintence.

I thought they'd stopped that after taking a bunch of shit over it.

[Chrien]

They've done it every maintence I've seen.

[Itiken]

their forums are horrible.
reminds me of wow.

cheer up - have a banana

http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/69639/1312748835/happybananaX.gif

[Tipz NexAstrum]

Had to hide hat, beyond the issue of it being a weird amalagamation of a skull cap/headband/headphones, it shaves the beard leaving my poor trooper looking like a 70's mustachio pornstar.

[lubica]

Had to hide hat, beyond the issue of it being a weird amalagamation of a skull cap/headband/headphones, it shaves the beard leaving my poor trooper looking like a 70's mustachio pornstar.

:Lando:

[bundus]

I'm quite liking the 40 pvp trooper armour its easily obtainable and kick arse

[bundus]

Basic use of guard and taunt + aoe taunt easily nets you 7+ medals. I can't seem to get more than 9 but almost always get at least 8 in a match, with 60-100k in protection. Tanks are basically medal whores.

And more medals = more valor & commendations.

I am going to have to try this ...

[Itiken]

got my armour sorted out - cheers.

Next challenge - i need a modable Orange Circlet - (Light Armour) for Jaesa.

Any ideas ?

[lubica]

got my armour sorted out - cheers.

Next challenge - i need a modable Orange Circlet - (Light Armour) for Jaesa.

Any ideas ?
synthweaving has stuff for force users

[Itiken]

got my armour sorted out - cheers.

Next challenge - i need a modable Orange Circlet - (Light Armour) for Jaesa.

Any ideas ?
synthweaving has stuff for force users

aye. dropped pattern no-one i know has ! thansk though - i'll keep hunting.

also fuck D-7 in the ear. SO broken.

[GiDiYi]

So, I am still on Tattoine. Lvl 31 atm and horrendously overleveled. It's like a walk in the park, really.

Doing the last quests and heroics. If I get the chance, I am sneakning into hostile territory, because I am trying to retrieve the Neocrons (or whatever they are called).

Still playing as a Jedi Consular and it's getting a bit boring, because I really can't be arsed to save another (spoiler) infested Jedi. :lame:

Let'x see, what tomorrow brings.

[Lilalaunebör]

Guardian stagnating at 46, lost count of number of deathstars blown up (well, its not all deathstars, sometimes i had to defeat Galactus or some shit). Instead my Marauder is now at 23, i refuse to use Quinn but since im overleveled as well it doesnt really matter for nongroup quests.

[noobcake]

Basic use of guard and taunt + aoe taunt easily nets you 7+ medals. I can't seem to get more than 9 but almost always get at least 8 in a match, with 60-100k in protection. Tanks are basically medal whores.

And more medals = more valor & commendations.

I am going to have to try this ...

This strategy is ridiculously good for what the poster says it is. Just pulled down 7 medals in a game where all I did was focus on protection. If I focused on throwing down deeps ANd protection, i couldve wound up with 9 medals.

edit: also...pvp in the 50 bracket is fucking awful

[Ruri]

So, I am still on Tattoine. Lvl 31 atm and horrendously overleveled. It's like a walk in the park, really.

Doing the last quests and heroics. If I get the chance, I am sneakning into hostile territory, because I am trying to retrieve the Neocrons (or whatever they are called).

Still playing as a Jedi Consular and it's getting a bit boring, because I really can't be arsed to save another (spoiler) infested Jedi. :lame:

Let'x see, what tomorrow brings.

I got to 40, but my problem has been consistent underleveling. So now I'm at the point where I have to defeat a level 44 gold elite boss to progress, and because he's the caster type I basically have no chance without another player's aid. It's a shame because it's killed my desire to keep playing that character, as my only option is to go back to the worlds I thought I was done with and grind side quests that my character -in game- simply wouldn't have time for. It's sort of broken the RP aspect, which was the whole draw of playing a Jedi in an MMO.

[Mavolio]

I'm not liking the progression in this game when compared to most MMO's i've played. I think its their attempt to have both class and general story lines (plus space combat then PvP as well) just didn't work because you get far too much XP. The class quest should have been unlocking skills/gear not giving XP. Then you do the actual quests on the planet to level up.

I've done a lot of PvP, instances and space combat with friends on my new smuggler. And because of that i'm going to have to just skip about 3 planets because every thing is grey to me all i need is the class quests.

[Fitzy]

I'm not liking the progression in this game when compared to most MMO's i've played. I think its their attempt to have both class and general story lines (plus space combat then PvP as well) just didn't work because you get far too much XP. The class quest should have been unlocking skills/gear not giving XP. Then you do the actual quests on the planet to level up.

I've done a lot of PvP, instances and space combat with friends on my new smuggler. And because of that i'm going to have to just skip about 3 planets because every thing is grey to me all i need is the class quests.

Except this would result in people complaining that they are being forced to PVP/Space battle/run instances.

Surely it's better to have options. Seems like a damn if you do damned if you don't type situation. I prefer it this way tbh.

[Isyel]

I'm not liking the progression in this game when compared to most MMO's i've played. I think its their attempt to have both class and general story lines (plus space combat then PvP as well) just didn't work because you get far too much XP. The class quest should have been unlocking skills/gear not giving XP. Then you do the actual quests on the planet to level up.

I've done a lot of PvP, instances and space combat with friends on my new smuggler. And because of that i'm going to have to just skip about 3 planets because every thing is grey to me all i need is the class quests.

How is this a bad thing? More freedom, less of a need to do all the same content every time you want to level sth, etc.?

[Cerzi]

Anyone else question how expertise works? Adding equal amounts to damage done and taken makes sense in terms of keeping gameplay consistent as everyone gears up, but increasing healing done by the same proportion?

Nobody sees a huge problem with this? Namely, that in a few months time healers will be godlike, and a handful of healers will mean that people just dont die.

[lubica]

Anyone else question how expertise works? Adding equal amounts to damage done and taken makes sense in terms of keeping gameplay consistent as everyone gears up, but increasing healing done by the same proportion?

Nobody sees a huge problem with this? Namely, that in a few months time healers will be godlike, and a handful of healers will mean that people just dont die.

That already happens, even with the Trauma debuff which reduces all healing done in PVP by 33%.

[Cerzi]

Well, exactly; if that already happens then think how bad it'll be when healers have 30% more relative healing power.

[lubica]

expertise bonuses are capped at 15%

[Wrack]

Healers are powerful but not too powerful now, with most people being around 10% expertise. With a few % more it's not going to make much of a difference. Although the asymptote is 15%, full battlemaster results in only something like 13%.

[Space Panda]

I got to 40, but my problem has been consistent underleveling. So now I'm at the point where I have to defeat a level 44 gold elite boss to progress, and because he's the caster type I basically have no chance without another player's aid. It's a shame because it's killed my desire to keep playing that character, as my only option is to go back to the worlds I thought I was done with and grind side quests that my character -in game- simply wouldn't have time for. It's sort of broken the RP aspect, which was the whole draw of playing a Jedi in an MMO.

i have the opposite problem. the guy i'm leveling with is a completionist nazi to the extreme, so i'm like level 48 on voss. to counter this, on my alt, i just pvp a ton and blast through the class quests until the area is over my level. then i pvp moar.

edit: and expertise rules (when you have it). i've been buying the expertise guns from the vendor and stripping the enhancements for my noob armor. makes a hell of a lot of difference, especially in the sub50 bracket.

[GiDiYi]

Stupid questions, that are probably embarassing:

- What is PVP-gear and what's the difference to PVE-gear? Furthermore: How do I get it?
- Companions and their skills/jobs (like biochemistry), how do they work?

Blogupdate:

Finished Tatooine today. Getting a full squad for that last heroic mission was a pain in the arse tbh. It's a bit tough sometimes, because the republic side is a bit light on the population side. There was one heroic mission I took right before going to bed yesterday, which I couldn't find on the map. Took me ages to deduct where to find the area.

Just landed on Alderaan and cleared the area around the starport. Hit Level 33 right there. Alderaan is supposed to be for Levels 28-32. :/