The Old Republic (better than DayZ)

[Sparq]

I wouldn't care so much, if I could actually find a bug report function in the game - am I missing it, or is this something I have to go and post on their forum?

part of the "OMG I HIT F12, PETITION WINDOW DIDNT COME UP, SO I CANT BE BOTHERED TO LOOK FOR THE FUNCTION" crew?It's almost like you're talking about another game that I don't play anymore.

I looked for it, I couldn't find it. That was why I asked.


idk the big fucking question mark at the top of your screen was just...too ambiguous amirite?

http://i.imgur.com/Yjr66.pngI know, right? I was all like: MIND. BLOWN. :o

[Zoidberg]

It's another WOW-like game. It lacks.the persistend and dynamic world that would make it an mmo.

Like wow its a plain multiplayer game. There is no need to interact with other players nor can you force another player to interact with you.

Its a game with an optional multiplayer part, but its not an mmo.
It's really astonishing how few games are actually MMOs, and how many of them are what you describe.

[Mavolio]

Endgame PvP needs a massive buff. Atm none of the open world PvP zones are working. This is mainly due to lack of lvl 50's and imp/republic ratio. I was in Illum earlier and to get the daily done I had to sit at a site for 20 mins with 10 other imp's while waiting for 1 republic guy to come and do the quest. If the ratio doesn't massively change in the next few months its going to kill that zone as who is going to go there just to get ganked 10vs1 all the time?

They need to add another warzone as well because 90% of my games are Hutt Ball as there just isn't enough republic to do any of the others. And while its fun its not going to be fun the 100,000th time i've done it.

[jbend9620]

arbitrarily forcing people to split into opposing factions is a fucking terrible idea non-shocker.

[sand]

It has the option of being a good mmo. right now, you're paying for 150+ hours per 8 classes to enjoy the game ;)

[noobcake]

arbitrarily forcing people to split into opposing factions is a fucking terrible idea non-shocker.

i dont think anyone is suggesting that...perhaps you should go back and re-read? and if youre saying that's what EA/Bioware is doing, then youre even more retarded

[Aramendel]

Like wow its a plain multiplayer game. There is no need to interact with other players nor can you force another player to interact with you.

*cough* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game)

...a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting hundreds or thousands of players simultaneously...
...MMOGs can enable players to cooperate and compete with each other on a large scale, and sometimes to interact meaningfully with people around the world...

So, no, it is a MMO. A *requirement* to interact with other players and/or to force other players to interact with you does not define it. It may be for you but your definition != the real world one.

A MMO has
- over 100 players
- a persistent world

Thats it, everything else is optional.



idk the big fucking question mark at the top of your screen was just...too ambiguous amirite?

With the standard hotkey settings I actually keep hitting the key for creating a petition by mistake. It is a bit too close to WASD.

[Kilabi]

You can´t rebind the function to another key but you can rebind the key to another function. - Confuzius

I just pout "Map zoom out" onto it. Fixed now.

[Daco]

I HATE RAKGHOULS...

I hated them on KoToR and I hate them on ToR, it isn't even like they're hard to kill I just hate them.

[DevilDude]

I HATE RAKGHOULS...

I hated them on KoToR and I hate them on ToR, it isn't even like they're hard to kill I just hate them.

at least this time you don't have to waste every last credit you have buying serum

[noobcake]

This is my plan for my Powertech...any suggestions?

http://i.imgur.com/0QIji.png

Link to plan (http://torguild.net/calculator/bounty-hunter/powertech/?p=21212020000000000002231222001023211123100000000 0000000000)

[Daco]

I HATE RAKGHOULS...

I hated them on KoToR and I hate them on ToR, it isn't even like they're hard to kill I just hate them.

at least this time you don't have to waste every last credit you have buying serum

This is true, but as the agent to go speak to Doctor Lorkin(?) you need to fight the elite Rakghoul and all the other mountains of Rakghouls and it just gets tiring.

I'll be glad once I have him though, would be nice seeing what it is like running with a medic as the sniper since I can do a hell of a lot of damage, I just don't have the tank unfortunately.

[Kaianna]

Endgame PvP needs a massive buff. Atm none of the open world PvP zones are working. This is mainly due to lack of lvl 50's and imp/republic ratio. I was in Illum earlier and to get the daily done I had to sit at a site for 20 mins with 10 other imp's while waiting for 1 republic guy to come and do the quest. If the ratio doesn't massively change in the next few months its going to kill that zone as who is going to go there just to get ganked 10vs1 all the time?

They need to add another warzone as well because 90% of my games are Hutt Ball as there just isn't enough republic to do any of the others. And while its fun its not going to be fun the 100,000th time i've done it.


See, if yu'd rolled republic like my guild, you'd get a perfect split between all the warzones. Its a lot more fun :D

But no, people are just sticking with Empire despite everything you just said.

[Elgaris]

Like wow its a plain multiplayer game. There is no need to interact with other players nor can you force another player to interact with you.

*cough* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game)

...a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting hundreds or thousands of players simultaneously...
...MMOGs can enable players to cooperate and compete with each other on a large scale, and sometimes to interact meaningfully with people around the world...

So, no, it is a MMO. A *requirement* to interact with other players and/or to force other players to interact with you does not define it. It may be for you but your definition != the real world one.

A MMO has
- over 100 players
- a persistent world

Thats it, everything else is optional.



I dont want to argue about definitions, but i still think all those games lack the dynamic factor in their persistent game world.
No matter what you do the world stays the same and your actions have no influence on other players.
I see no reason for a big game world if i cant shape it somehow.

[Aramendel]

Oh, you are definitely right that they lack a dynamic factor, but the point is that a persistent world does not need it.

As for "why even make one then" - 3 reasons on top of my head:
- epic scale
- exploring
- spreading out players

Anyway, before this to devolves into a pointless discussion: all I wanted (and did) was to point out that it is an MMO according to the general definition of it. You can disagree with it, but that doesn't changes this.

[Kalorn]

Getting banned prevents you from canceling subscription?

http://i.imgur.com/ZSOYo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/A4AE5.png


Your subscription will be automatically cancelled when your account gets banned. The same happens to every other MMO out there.

[Wrack]

This is my plan for my Powertech...any suggestions?

Link to plan (http://torguild.net/calculator/bounty-hunter/powertech/?p=21212020000000000002231222001023211123100000000 0000000000)

Well, first of all, you're using an out of date talent calculator.

Second of all, Immolate isn't amazing (it's a pve max deeps skill, you're obviously building a pvp spec). Oil slick, however, is amazing.

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#301GoMMzZrsrbobfkzcZb.1

[Jags]

Anyone any good specs for a Sith Sorcerer lvl 36ish ? Mines gash and all over the place and cant seem to get it sorted so im happy with it. Looking at DPS is possible but no issues going for healer

[evil edna]

im now lvl 14 and i havnt seen a single fucking wookie WHERE ARE THEY HIDING

[sand]

This was before mass Wookie adoption in the later years...(I think I saw 3-4 tops and I'm level 45).

[Sparq]

This is my plan for my Powertech...any suggestions?

http://i.imgur.com/0QIji.png

Link to plan (http://torguild.net/calculator/bounty-hunter/powertech/?p=21212020000000000002231222001023211123100000000 0000000000)Interesting, melee build with a bit of tanking?

This (http://torguild.net/calculator/bounty-hunter/powertech/?p=00200000000000000002031000000000000000032032222 1023032231) is what a friend is using, essentially a crits build.

[mira o'karr]

:shock: i respecced scrapper from sawbones because i wanted to pvp a bit. holy shit that is a lot of damage i m suddenly doing (lvl45)

i ve never played a rogue in wow but i imagine thats what it feels like :D

scoundrel <3

[Helfix]

Rolling around in a BH merc (arsenal)....liking it so far compared to my marauder

[sand]

Anyone else playing an Operative?

There's a rumor that Victor's kilik ability is a poison that adds to Cull for some ridiculous damage - anyone tried it? Would but at work

[Daco]

Anyone else playing an Operative?

There's a rumor that Victor's kilik ability is a poison that adds to Cull for some ridiculous damage - anyone tried it? Would but at work

I am spec'd as a Sniper and Vector does do a huge amount of damage tbh I haven't really noticed which moves of his do how much damage seeing as I am normally you know shooting people and concentrating on that. But I also haven't run with Vector a hell of a lot because neither of us really have the tank that is required.

[epictetus]

Anyone a decent warrior tank? Sith Juggernaut more specifically i guess. Just tried tanking my first instance and was not easy with damn BH doing AoE all over the place.

[Kaianna]

Anyone a decent warrior tank? Sith Juggernaut more specifically i guess. Just tried tanking my first instance and was not easy with damn BH doing AoE all over the place.

I'm actually a Commando, so can take it from that angle. My guildmate is a 45 Guardian tank spec, and they have a REALLY hard time controlling aggro if BH's/Troopers start spamming AoE everywhere. You don't have an awful lot of AoE threat moves, even at high level. Tell the team to only AoE when it's trash, or it's going to lead to bad times. I have learnt this myself...as tempting as mortar volley is, its not always a good plan....

[Lilalaunebör]

Yeah, my guardian is only 22, but other than 15 sec cd Force Sweep ive got no aoe threat, although single target is absoluetly no problem. So yesterday i tank Hammer Station for the first time, last boss noone has any idea what to expect... cue the adds being all over the place and boss dying only after killing 3 of us.
Still, was fun and theres at least one more aoe ability coming up (cyclone slash i think).

[Sandzibar]

Oil slick, however, is amazing.

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#301GoMMzZrsrbobfkzcZb.1

thats the trooper smoke grenade equivalent right? Ive spec'd for it.. but it seems somewhat underwhelming in pvp.. not noticing my targets missing much - if at all.

explain you love please

[Wrack]

They miss, you just aren't noticing it? You drop it at a flag/door, and suddenly your side wins the fight instead of losing it.

Obviously it's hard to prove that it's making a huge difference, but on paper it ought to, and in practice it seems to help, so vOv.

[Aramendel]

Anyone a decent warrior tank? Sith Juggernaut more specifically i guess. Just tried tanking my first instance and was not easy with damn BH doing AoE all over the place.

I'm actually a Commando, so can take it from that angle. My guildmate is a 45 Guardian tank spec, and they have a REALLY hard time controlling aggro if BH's/Troopers start spamming AoE everywhere. You don't have an awful lot of AoE threat moves, even at high level. Tell the team to only AoE when it's trash, or it's going to lead to bad times. I have learnt this myself...as tempting as mortar volley is, its not always a good plan....

From what I've read it seems that Guardians/Juggernauts have currently the weakest AOE threat and are in general a bit worse than the other tanks.

[lubica]

Anyone a decent warrior tank? Sith Juggernaut more specifically i guess. Just tried tanking my first instance and was not easy with damn BH doing AoE all over the place.

I'm actually a Commando, so can take it from that angle. My guildmate is a 45 Guardian tank spec, and they have a REALLY hard time controlling aggro if BH's/Troopers start spamming AoE everywhere. You don't have an awful lot of AoE threat moves, even at high level. Tell the team to only AoE when it's trash, or it's going to lead to bad times. I have learnt this myself...as tempting as mortar volley is, its not always a good plan....

From what I've read it seems that Guardians/Juggernauts have currently the weakest AOE threat and are in general a bit worse than the other tanks.

AOE tanking does suck badly, its doable to a degree if you get a few seconds headstart to spam a few Sweeps. I have a bigger gripe with the number of abilities I have, running out of keybinds here, ffs.

As a Jugg, I'd suggest they increase our base damage (at least on white dmg) by 10-15% and merge Assault and Sundering Assault into a single rage builder with no CD. Lord knows I run out of rage every 20s after using Enrage. As for single-target aggro, I haven't had any problems with it aside from mobs/bosses using CC/knockback or doing stuff with a BH 5 lvls higher than me (jesus fucking christ @ their questing speed).

Though the balancing act is gonna be tricky for PvP, as I already absolutely destroy any Sith Assasins or heal sorcs in duels, though warzones are a different matter due to the stat boost everyone gets.

[Kilabi]

16 man battleground, 13 of them inquisitors or the mirror class. Guess if i was stunned all game long or not.

The amount of CC can go and fuck itself in this game. Did nobody ever say stop during skill creation when someone proposed another stun/mez/blind? At least on the BH 3/4 of them only work on weak/trash mobs.

[Sandzibar]

They miss, you just aren't noticing it? You drop it at a flag/door, and suddenly your side wins the fight instead of losing it.

Obviously it's hard to prove that it's making a huge difference, but on paper it ought to, and in practice it seems to help, so vOv.
hmm maybe its just a side effect of not having a combat log.. nor flytest that actually works well.. guess ill keep experimenting with it.

I agree that it should be useful.. but with all the +acc on the pvp gear I was sure how effective it was.

[Sandzibar]

16 man battleground, 13 of them inquisitors or the mirror class. Guess if i was stunned all game long or not.

The amount of CC can go and fuck itself in this game. Did nobody ever say stop during skill creation when someone proposed another stun/mez/blind? At least on the BH 3/4 of them only work on weak/trash mobs.

yeah resolve needs tweaking.. so much cc doenst seem to fill the bar at all... and the bar empties far too fast too.. (sorc cc and "held in the air force choke" class im looking at you)

they should also include a 'feedback' mechanic.. where if you stun someone with a full resolve bar, its you that gets stunned.

[Freddy Dare]

So pretty casual when it comes to these sort of games but videos I have seen have got me interested.

Never could like warcraft or many of it's clones usually because of the cartoon like graphics turning me off before i even started but also because leveling felt too long in the tooth.

I did however enjoy Rift, but I played at a pretty slow pace, joined some of the stormhammer crew and got pretty much left behind but considering I had to learn everything from scratch I expected that. Infact i still llike Rift but only 1-50 once i hit 50 I lose momentum, but the leveling process is quite an enjoyable ride.
I just can't decide if I will enjoy this ?. I tend to play solo alot but often run as a cleric in Rift running as both tank and healer for dungeon stuff and Healer for Wf's.
Someone mentioned in this thread that there are too many healers in gameat the moment is that agreed by all ?

To buy or not to buy !!

[Tyrehl]

16 man battleground, 13 of them inquisitors or the mirror class. Guess if i was stunned all game long or not.

The amount of CC can go and fuck itself in this game. Did nobody ever say stop during skill creation when someone proposed another stun/mez/blind? At least on the BH 3/4 of them only work on weak/trash mobs.

yeah resolve needs tweaking.. so much cc doenst seem to fill the bar at all... and the bar empties far too fast too.. (sorc cc and "held in the air force choke" class im looking at you)

they should also include a 'feedback' mechanic.. where if you stun someone with a full resolve bar, its you that gets stunned.

You should be a game dev. I like you.

[Sandzibar]

You should be a game dev. I like you.

:companioncube:

[Loganbacca]

So pretty casual when it comes to these sort of games but videos I have seen have got me interested.

Never could like warcraft or many of it's clones usually because of the cartoon like graphics turning me off before i even started but also because leveling felt too long in the tooth.

I did however enjoy Rift, but I played at a pretty slow pace, joined some of the stormhammer crew and got pretty much left behind but considering I had to learn everything from scratch I expected that. Infact i still llike Rift but only 1-50 once i hit 50 I lose momentum, but the leveling process is quite an enjoyable ride.
I just can't decide if I will enjoy this ?. I tend to play solo alot but often run as a cleric in Rift running as both tank and healer for dungeon stuff and Healer for Wf's.
Someone mentioned in this thread that there are too many healers in gameat the moment is that agreed by all ?

To buy or not to buy !!

I've found the leveling doesn't feel like much of a grind as the whole process is tied up in story, so it really does feel like playing a single player RPG in an mmo environment. If you've got someone else to play through it with you it makes it even better as it basically becomes a co-op "single player" RPG, even if they're a different class they tend to be going to the same area as you at the same stage in their story.

I have no idea what the end-game content is like as my highest character is a level 33 BH. I do know however that once I finish the story and hit max level I'll be rolling a new character to play through that story, rather than grinding warzones or whatever the cool kids are doing. If I understand correctly as well the intention is to extend the story when they increase the level cap so you can go back and keep playing through that characters story.

My personal opinion; I love it, it's exactly what I was hoping for... co-op KOTOR.

[Sandzibar]

so.. Ive opened around 30 champ bags so far and only got cent commendations out of them (while all these skilless scrubs on the republic side run around in 4 pieces doing fuck all, and dying in our warzones)

I just say fuck it i need some expertise stat, so i buy cent bracer and belt using up most of the tokens.. and the VERY NEXT 4 champion bags give me 2 bracers and a belt.

This game can go and take a step back and literally FUCK ITS OWN FACE! FFFFFUUUUUUuuuuuuuuu

[lubica]

16 man battleground, 13 of them inquisitors or the mirror class. Guess if i was stunned all game long or not.

The amount of CC can go and fuck itself in this game. Did nobody ever say stop during skill creation when someone proposed another stun/mez/blind? At least on the BH 3/4 of them only work on weak/trash mobs.

yeah resolve needs tweaking.. so much cc doenst seem to fill the bar at all... and the bar empties far too fast too.. (sorc cc and "held in the air force choke" class im looking at you)

they should also include a 'feedback' mechanic.. where if you stun someone with a full resolve bar, its you that gets stunned.

Bolded for Sith Warrior: 1 min CD, unless you go 21 points deep into the defensive tree, it is a channeled CC, which means he is standing there looking at you gasp for breath for 3 seconds. But I play full tank even in warzones and unchanelled Choke is just so much win, especially at Huttball, when the enemy ball-carrier runs over the fire-grill and then, just as they see the light of the finishing line appear of the grill's edge- CHOKE, BITCH! Cue inferno. If they rage even half as much as I do when that happens to me, then it's all good.

I will agree on the Inquisitors whine and their numbers in warzones, it is quite absurd. Though outside of warzones I find assasins (pre-50, I'm 44 atm) to be incredibly squishy, even to the point of having difficulties with an elite or a pack of strong mobs on solo quests. As for the resolve bar: I'd agree on making it much much stronger, if the CCs still interrupt casts, otherwise my 15 minute duels with heal sorcs will be extended to 25 mins, at which point I will run out of health.

[Sandzibar]

tbh.. most classes i have issue with are operatives and the 2h sith melee dps (marauders?) both do silly dmg to my supposed tank class and spec (sheild tree / trooper) and a well geared operative can kill you in a stun and 3 gcds if he gets good crits.

maybe one day designers will grow out of this retard rogue design mentality.

[Alistair]

Already losing interest (Played WoT and Minecraft last night instead of TOR). Same old WoW reasons cropping up. Too grindy. Too much travel. Too much Wow-style quest design.

With that said, will level to cap and play though the story, then PvP some or desub. Story is only thing of any real interest.

[lubica]

Well, they've managed to make a huge flaming fanboi out of me with the relatively polished launch and superb storytelling, plus I've never rolled a tank before in an MMO, so vOv, having lots of fun. I've even managed to get 15 people from my old WoW guild to give TOR a try and the first of those nolifers dinged 50 yesterday, I swear he was taking shits at his desk or something.

[jbend9620]

tbh.. most classes i have issue with are operatives and the 2h sith melee dps (marauders?) both do silly dmg to my supposed tank class and spec (sheild tree / trooper) and a well geared operative can kill you in a stun and 3 gcds if he gets good crits.

maybe one day designers will grow out of this retard rogue design mentality.

LOL I R ROGUE I DESERVEZ TO WIN EVARY PVP ENCOUNTER AUTOMATICALLY CAUSE OF A BUTTON I CLICKED AT CHARACTER CREATION.

yeah fuck rogues. every time on the wow forums that someone is bitching about the uber town guards, you know its a rogue/alt of a rogue.

[evil edna]

pvp in this game is shit but thats to be expected

[ElweSingollo]

pvp in this game is shit but thats to be expected

pvp'd in Beta have not even joined one bg since launch and tbfh don't really intend to cause it's a giant sack of shit that being said the other aspects of the game keep me more than amused so it's all good.

[Lilalaunebör]

Havent tried pvp yet, im enjoying the story at my own pace atm, but ive run across something else weird...

Im getting the same Space Missions offered over and over, made like 2 levels by spending 45minutes altogether flying around pewpewing. Pimped my ship with 3 lvl2 blue mods i got from slicing, id have to try ultrahard to fail a space mission. Im sitting on 60 Rep Fleet recommendations or so, storywise im on Taris (havent been to Nar Shadaar yet) fighting lvl16 mobs as a lvl22... feels broken / (too) easy.
But hey maybe its working as intended and next planet the difficulty will catch up with me.

[Space Panda]

the world pvp is meaningless, but fuck it, it's fun! my buddy and i are only in our low 30's, and we were camping the republic med bay on nar shaddaa for a good amount of time, relatively speaking. i also got into a few fights on alderaan while i was ratting.

what they need to do, at the very least, is have world pvp deaths do damage to armor, and give valor or something for killz.

[noobcake]

Oh, you are definitely right that they lack a dynamic factor, but the point is that a persistent world does not need it.

a persistent world, SWTOR is not. Yes, people continue playing the game once you log off, but really...whats persistent about people playing their single player game after you've gone?

[mira o'karr]

unless it is huttball this games pvp isnt too bad imho

also fuck huttball. fuck it with a 20inch diameter dildo. i want an opt out of huttball option.

between flames and acid and being grappeled and rooted into them all the time it can go and eat a massive cock.

[noobcake]

unless it is huttball this games pvp isnt too bad imho

also fuck huttball. fuck it with a 20inch diameter dildo. i want an opt out of huttball option.

between flames and acid and being grappeled and rooted into them all the time it can go and eat a massive cock.

the hazards in huttball are the least of the problems. Yeh theyre incredibly fucking annoying, but the fact that huttball revolves around massacring the ball handler, and nothing else, it gets real boring, real fucking fast. Even the other battlegrounds really dont contribute anything to the game aside from "farm XP/Valor/Commendations" I really wisha game devloper would get their PVP correct, and make the factional PVP actually affect in game play. SWG actually did have this correct, even after the NGE, but ultimately died an awful death.

[DevilDude]

Oh, you are definitely right that they lack a dynamic factor, but the point is that a persistent world does not need it.

a persistent world, SWTOR is not. Yes, people continue playing the game once you log off, but really...whats persistent about people playing their single player game after you've gone?you seem to be confusing the definition's of dynamic and persistent. ToR has a static persistent world, the world is there, wheather you play or not but you can't change it either. EvE by contrast has a dynamic persistent world, the cluster remains whether you play or not, and is constantly in flux due to player actions.

Both of them are, by definition MMO's because playing alongside others in an online environment is mandatory. Neither force you to cooperate with anyone, miners and industrialists in EvE can get along just fine solo, the only real differences are the possible effect you can have on the game world, and the ammount of 'content' (a slippery concept at best) you can access without the help of others.

It should also be noted that even in sandbox titles like EvE only 1 in 1000 players actually has any real say in shaping the player run universe, the rest are merely being herded by the smaller group.

[evil edna]

far smaller number than that id say

[noobcake]

my point was that its silly to have a "persistent world" that isnt dynamic at all.The game fails to be a true MMO, and it's pretty pathetic to listen to alot of people defend that it is, purely because of star wars IP.

if this was any other "MMO", you know this thread wouldve taken a turn for the shitposting in page 4.

[evil edna]

you were doing your best i know

[Aramendel]

my point was that its silly to have a "persistent world" that isnt dynamic at all.

Without a persistent world the whole "its alive" thing of MMOs wouldn't happen because your interaction with people would be rather limited. There is a difference between meeting in a chat room and ingame. Also, the games are dynamic. They cannot be influenced by the players, but they can and are influenced by the developers. MMOs evolve over time and this often also effects the world, for an extreme example see the chances in WoW with Cataclysm.

Personally I find the "dynamic" nature of EVE actually rather boring. Faceless Alliance X beats faceless Alliance Y over meaningless region Z.... *yawn* /care
Point is that what makes a MMO interesting varies wildly and is subjective.

However, the things what make a MMO a MMO aren't. And the ability of players changing the world isn't one of them.

[Alistair]

....the ability of players changing or effecting the gameworld in ANY way isn't one of them.

Gotta admit, thats one of the biggest failings to me of games like WoW and TOR.

It truly is like being on a treadmill being rolled through a static theme-park ride full of plastic people.

Guess EVE (Nullsec) spoils us to some degree, as you do control the World to some degree, but the static sameness of WoW and TOR is really hard to enjoy as much after being in EVE and in null so long.

[noobcake]

However, the things what make a MMO a MMO aren't. And the ability of players changing the world isn't one of them.


what defines MMO to you? im curious...is it just millions of players sitting on the same treadmill grinding towards meaningless endgame content?

[DevilDude]

far smaller number than that id sayI was counting FC's Logi guys and pretty much anyone leading a space holding alliance, being generous sure, but if you only count those making final dicisions it'd be down to Mittens Mactep UAxDeath and one or two others.


my point was that its silly to have a "persistent world" that isnt dynamic at all.The game fails to be a true MMO, and it's pretty pathetic to listen to alot of people defend that it is, purely because of star wars IP.

My point is that MMO doesn't necessarily imply dynamic world, it only implies IMO the necessity of playing online, alongside (not necessarily with) large numbers of others. Your definition is narrow, UO the first true MMO was dynamic sure, but there have been plenty of MMO style games accross multiple genres that are anything but. WoW and ToR are MMORPG's, UO was a hybrid of MMO fantasy Sim and RPG, EvE is an MMO sandbox space sim. I think MMO is a meta-genre, it can be applied accross many different genres of gaming, it has nothing to do with gameplay, but more to do with social aspects.

if this was any other "MMO", you know this thread wouldve taken a turn for the shitposting in page 4.
Honestly I think this is the best MMO launch I've ever seen, there aren't any game breaking bugs, the feature list is right up there with a game that has at least a year or two of post launch development. It's not a sandbox by any means but the addition of actual RPG story elements is surprisingly good, right up there with what you'd expect from a Bioware title. It needs balancing sure, it needs some work on the endgame world PvP objectives too, but TBQFH it's better than wow was at launch and a LOT better than anything since.

[Koll]

Honestly I think this is the best MMO launch I've ever seen, there aren't any game breaking bugs, the feature list is right up there with a game that has at least a year or two of post launch development. It's not a sandbox by any means but the addition of actual RPG story elements is surprisingly good, right up there with what you'd expect from a Bioware title. It needs balancing sure, it needs some work on the endgame world PvP objectives too, but TBQFH it's better than wow was at launch and a LOT better than anything since.

Totally agree with this statement. the game is not perfect but personally I find it a great deal of fun and considering that it's less than a month after its launch it's outstanding. I have no doubt that the game will improve as it moves along and the players get settled into this new world.

One thing I have found this game could really use though is some better support for PvE groups such as a better LFG tool and some options to get everyone brought to the flashpoint location once the group is formed. I'm sure they could make a summon group function sufficiently star warsy by sending shuttles to get everyone or whatever.

Oh and an option to opt out of huttball forever because fuck huttball.

[Aramendel]

what defines MMO to you? im curious...is it just millions of players sitting on the same treadmill grinding towards meaningless endgame content?

Wikipedia, for instance. And just the whole gaming industry (!= the players). No biggie.

You are free to claim that all are wrong and you are the unique snowflakes which have it right, of course. Just as I am free to claim that, i.e. only something which burns petrol can be called a "car". Everyone can make their own special definitions for things, but it is rather pointless to do so.

"MMO" is Massively Multiplayer Online, all it means is that you have a lot of players in a online game which can interact with each other, usually in a persistent world. Nothing more, nothing less.

[noobcake]

what defines MMO to you? im curious...is it just millions of players sitting on the same treadmill grinding towards meaningless endgame content?

Wikipedia, for instance. And just the whole gaming industry (!= the players). No biggie.

You are free to claim that all are wrong and you are the unique snowflakes which have it right, of course. Just as I am free to claim that, i.e. only something which burns petrol can be called a "car". Everyone can make their own special definitions for things, but it is rather pointless to do so.

"MMO" is Massively Multiplayer Online, all it means is that you have a lot of players in a online game which can interact with each other, usually in a persistent world. Nothing more, nothing less.

i never said "im right, youre wrong" I'm asking what your definition of MMO is. And you're citing wikipedia's definition as your own, is pretty funny.

Maybe it's just me, but MMO to me implies much more than "log into a game with millions of other people!"...I mean shit, you can play the game by yourself, and merely pass other people in the corridors, does that constitute "MMO" to me? absolutely not.

[Space Panda]

but you can jump up and down in their path and whisper to them that they are brutors.

[Freddy Dare]

is it a MMO isnt it a MMo


fucking cares ???
everyones using it to fill till gw2 anyway rite ?


Also it's installing and it's fucking huge. Can't wait to play it. (mmo or not)

[Sandzibar]

everyones using it to fill till gw2 anyway rite ?

amen

[noobcake]

is it a MMO isnt it a MMo


fucking cares ???
everyones using it to fill till gw2 anyway rite ?


Also it's installing and it's fucking huge. Can't wait to play it. (mmo or not)

yeh, damn us for discussing something on a discussion forum....

[Isyel]

what defines MMO to you? im curious...is it just millions of players sitting on the same treadmill grinding towards meaningless endgame content?

Wikipedia, for instance. And just the whole gaming industry (!= the players). No biggie.

You are free to claim that all are wrong and you are the unique snowflakes which have it right, of course. Just as I am free to claim that, i.e. only something which burns petrol can be called a "car". Everyone can make their own special definitions for things, but it is rather pointless to do so.

"MMO" is Massively Multiplayer Online, all it means is that you have a lot of players in a online game which can interact with each other, usually in a persistent world. Nothing more, nothing less.

i never said "im right, youre wrong" I'm asking what your definition of MMO is. And you're citing wikipedia's definition as your own, is pretty funny.

Maybe it's just me, but MMO to me implies much more than "log into a game with millions of other people!"...I mean shit, you can play the game by yourself, and merely pass other people in the corridors, does that constitute "MMO" to me? absolutely not.

I could say that the meaning of the word dog for me means cat, wouldn't make me right.

MMO, massively multiplayer online (game)... let's see...
multiplayer? there's lots of people on one server, that you can meet at any time, you want it or not
massively? there's thousands of players on one server
online? game? don't think i should explain these

Hell if we broaden this, i'll give you that it generally has to have a persistent world. Let's see... oh yes, the world is there if you are there or not, and it saves progress at all times. I wonder, i wonder...

that's what a MMO is, nothing more, nothing less, your pointless expectations and desires aside. It's a pretty huge genre and it has its own sub-genres by now, but it still is what it is and no amount of shitposting by you is going to change that. Now can we please leave this pointless discussion already?

[Zoidberg]

Perhaps a better way of phrasing noobcake's point is that TOR, WOW, and many other MMOs don't come anywhere close to the immense potential of the genre.

[Isyel]

Perhaps a better way of phrasing noobcake's point is that TOR, WOW, and many other MMOs don't come anywhere close to the immense potential of the genre.

See, words are wonderful. And if you put it that way i doubt you'll find people disagreeing. Unless you count eve among the stuff that does it better in which case i'm forced to laugh, but that's a *bittervet* conversation for another time and thread. >.>

[Zoidberg]

Perhaps a better way of phrasing noobcake's point is that TOR, WOW, and many other MMOs don't come anywhere close to the immense potential of the genre.

See, words are wonderful. And if you put it that way i doubt you'll find people disagreeing. Unless you count eve among the stuff that does it better in which case i'm forced to laugh, but that's a *bittervet* conversation for another time and thread. >.>
I do count EVE as doing it better, definitely. However, it still is very far from what I'd consider the "ideal MMO". I'm not even sure if technology or the market today can support the "ideal MMO", but I'm sure such a game will exist someday.

[noobcake]

Perhaps a better way of phrasing noobcake's point is that TOR, WOW, and many other MMOs don't come anywhere close to the immense potential of the genre.

thank you

[Isyel]

ah fuck this forum....

[Isyel]

Perhaps a better way of phrasing noobcake's point is that TOR, WOW, and many other MMOs don't come anywhere close to the immense potential of the genre.

thank you

nice way to pull out of your herp derp i shitpost about stuff i pulled out of my arse...

zoidberg makes a point, you just look like an idiot

[noobcake]

Perhaps a better way of phrasing noobcake's point is that TOR, WOW, and many other MMOs don't come anywhere close to the immense potential of the genre.

See, words are wonderful. And if you put it that way i doubt you'll find people disagreeing. Unless you count eve among the stuff that does it better in which case i'm forced to laugh, but that's a *bittervet* conversation for another time and thread. >.>
I do count EVE as doing it better, definitely. However, it still is very far from what I'd consider the "ideal MMO". I'm not even sure if technology or the market today can support the "ideal MMO", but I'm sure such a game will exist someday.

i just have a hard time discerning the difference between a "MMO" game like TOR that seems to be online for the sake of siphoning cash out of the Star Wars IP, and a game that can be played by ALOT of people offline (Fallout, Skyrim, etc.). Both games are played by millions, but one has the distinction of being played in a "persistent world"...which means nothing. The outcomes of precisely 0 PvP battles do anything to shape the world. People tend to attack that statement with "THATS TOO SANDBOXY!!!!" when in reality its not even close to "sandbox" but rather giving the players a fucking goal to work towards, other than consequence-less PVP and level 50.

Thats the point im making. These game companies currently do not do enough to keep people like myself around, but focus squarely on the "omg im playing a STAR WARS MMO" crowd, and they seem to be content with that. Then again, theyre making millions off the people who are apparently content with being suckered out of their money every month to play a game in a universe with other people, when in reality the game can be played by yourself 99% of the time.

[noobcake]

Perhaps a better way of phrasing noobcake's point is that TOR, WOW, and many other MMOs don't come anywhere close to the immense potential of the genre.

thank you

nice way to pull out of your herp derp i shitpost about stuff i pulled out of my arse...

zoidberg makes a point, you just look like an idiot

:derper: oh wow...there arent any words.


edit: it sounds like youre mad someone looks at things for more than what they are...im sorry you feel this way on the internet. Please allow me to show you how much i give a fuck






































:facepalm:

[Isyel]

Perhaps a better way of phrasing noobcake's point is that TOR, WOW, and many other MMOs don't come anywhere close to the immense potential of the genre.

See, words are wonderful. And if you put it that way i doubt you'll find people disagreeing. Unless you count eve among the stuff that does it better in which case i'm forced to laugh, but that's a *bittervet* conversation for another time and thread. >.>
I do count EVE as doing it better, definitely. However, it still is very far from what I'd consider the "ideal MMO". I'm not even sure if technology or the market today can support the "ideal MMO", but I'm sure such a game will exist someday.

i just have a hard time discerning the difference between a "MMO" game like TOR that seems to be online for the sake of siphoning cash out of the Star Wars IP, and a game that can be played by ALOT of people offline (Fallout, Skyrim, etc.). Both games are played by millions, but one has the distinction of being played in a "persistent world"...which means nothing. The outcomes of precisely 0 PvP battles do anything to shape the world. People tend to attack that statement with "THATS TOO SANDBOXY!!!!" when in reality its not even close to "sandbox" but rather giving the players a fucking goal to work towards, other than consequence-less PVP and level 50.

Thats the point im making. These game companies currently do not do enough to keep people like myself around, but focus squarely on the "omg im playing a STAR WARS MMO" crowd, and they seem to be content with that. Then again, theyre making millions off the people who are apparently content with being suckered out of their money every month to play a game in a universe with other people, when in reality the game can be played by yourself 99% of the time.

It's because nobody in the business gives a fuck about the few % of people like you. Plus the fact that your perfect game would involve so much more work and less people would play it... unless, again, you want another sandbox with no toys and no point to it except trolling, like EvE.

I wonder which one they'll choose...

[evil edna]

Perhaps a better way of phrasing noobcake's point is that TOR, WOW, and many other MMOs don't come anywhere close to the immense potential of the genre.

thank you

nice way to pull out of your herp derp i shitpost about stuff i pulled out of my arse...

zoidberg makes a point, you just look like an idiot


its noobcake

[Isyel]

Perhaps a better way of phrasing noobcake's point is that TOR, WOW, and many other MMOs don't come anywhere close to the immense potential of the genre.

thank you

nice way to pull out of your herp derp i shitpost about stuff i pulled out of my arse...

zoidberg makes a point, you just look like an idiot


its noobcake

I know, but i'm sick and can't sleep at 3am, it's entertaining to type that nontheless. :P

edit: make that 4

[Mavolio]

So far the MMO part of this game is running into people in the world (I don't consider any thing instanced as an MMO) and 4 events normally occur

A) You ignore each other
B) They take your quest mobs/resource node
C) You try and kill each other
D) They help you with a quest

D happens very very rarely, there are no consequences to C to make it exciting if you win only annoying if you lose, B is Annoying and A can be ignored.


Although with MMO's you will get frequent'ish content (unless development money is wasted), frequent patches and an instant online community. Which few other games or types of games will ever get. Also because the entire population is broken up onto servers you can easily run into the same guy 2-3 types strike up a conversation and make a new e-friend. After years of playing online games i've only made and kept in contact with e-friends i've made while playing MMO's.

[noobcake]

It's because nobody in the business gives a fuck about the few % of people like you. Plus the fact that your perfect game would involve so much more work and less people would play it... unless, again, you want another sandbox with no toys and no point to it except trolling, like EvE.

I wonder which one they'll choose...

im pretty sure i made the point that theyre making their millions off of people who play "mmo" games thinking theyre more immersed in the story because theyre on some server playing the game. I dont think TOR is a bad game, but I'm still unsure at what point this game requires me to be online to play it.

[Freddy Dare]

40 pages were interesting/useful to myself and others considering purchasing this GAME.




























Then noobcake got bored and shitted up another thread :facepalm:

[Isyel]

To bring it on topic a bit, maybe...

my jedi guardian is now lvl 47, still loving it, especially now that i found the glorious master spec of all specs named focus...lol at that aoe alpha...

game still feels like a proper bioware rpg but with some added mmo stuff like group quests and instances which are always lovely. Wish i did more flashpoints while leveling though, feels like i missed out. :(

it seems empire heavily outpopulates republic everywhere though. So in one way i laugh at you for getting huttball all the time. I have yet to play it XD

[noobcake]

:facepalm:

shitting up a thread with my opinion on why this game could be better...damn youre good

[Isyel]

It's because nobody in the business gives a fuck about the few % of people like you. Plus the fact that your perfect game would involve so much more work and less people would play it... unless, again, you want another sandbox with no toys and no point to it except trolling, like EvE.

I wonder which one they'll choose...

im pretty sure i made the point that theyre making their millions off of people who play "mmo" games thinking theyre more immersed in the story because theyre on some server playing the game. I dont think TOR is a bad game, but I'm still unsure at what point this game requires me to be online to play it.

Funny thing about doing a mmo RPG like bioware did (note, the parts of the word are not connected for a reason :P) is that you perhaps have to think a bit more about your choices since you cant suddenly decide 30 mins later that you didnt like a choice you made. Sadly the choices are mostly short term but sometimes it still surprises me.




:facepalm:

shitting up a thread with my opinion on why this game could be better...damn youre good


You mean your completely useless opinion about a game that was never advertised or made for you, only confusing people who are actually interested in such games and want to find out more? Yes, sorry, you are shitting it up. And i'm helping it seems. Ffffffuuuuuuuu.

Conclusion: i need some sleep...

[noobcake]

lol im shitting up a thread about a game that wasnt advertised, and ruining people's perceptions of the game? If people are that swayed by my opinions on a video game then maybe they have larger life issues than deciding what game they should be playing...

[noobcake]

lol every US server just went down it seems....

[lubica]

lol im shitting up a thread about a game that wasnt advertised, and ruining people's perceptions of the game? If people are that swayed by my opinions on a video game then maybe they have larger life issues than deciding what game they should be playing...

fucking hell, would you shut the fuck up? Your opinions, valid as they may or may not be, are unimportant, not shocking and you're such a terrible conversationalist and poster, that you make Lusulpher seem enjoyable in comparison. Word your shit in such a way that you do not come across as a massively self-important douche and you might find people more receptive to what you post.

Aw hell, why do I bother, I heard this forum has ignore lists and finally somebody managed to get 1st place on it.

[Daco]

lol every US server just went down it seems....

There is a DT at 2am/pm(whichever can't remember) cst

[Loganbacca]

I'm not even sure if technology or the market today can support the "ideal MMO", but I'm sure such a game will exist someday.

Infinity... ohwait

[Aramendel]

And you're citing wikipedia's definition as your own, is pretty funny.

That is the only sensible way (although I wouldn't use *only* wikipedia as source).

There is a reason we have standards - if we wouldn't conversations would be rather difficult because you would never know what exactly the other person is talking about. Feelings are subjective ("What is a good game?") and cannot be defined, but other things can ("What is a game?"). Making up your own definitions for those is rather pointless.


See, words are wonderful. And if you put it that way i doubt you'll find people disagreeing. Unless you count eve among the stuff that does it better in which case i'm forced to laugh, but that's a *bittervet* conversation for another time and thread. >.>

Yes, agreed to that. Although I do not think we can unlock the full potential of MMOs without an army of slave developers or an AI, but that is another topic altogether. They would then be probably be called differently, too. Possibly VWs, aka Virtual Worlds.

[Kern]

SWG was the ideal Star Wars MMO and it managed to kill itself. I think the market can support innovative and sophisticated games within reasonable subscriber expectations as long as the management isn't SOE.

[Daco]

SWG was the ideal Star Wars MMO and it managed to kill itself. I think the market can support innovative and sophisticated games within reasonable subscriber expectations as long as the management isn't SOE.

Unfortunately it didn't kill itself it was killed

[Freddy Dare]

Finally installed last night and had 30 minutes, left very impressed. itching to play again this morning and the fucking servers are down for another 7 hours :cry:

[Winged Nazgul]

Go play Skyrim if you want your "real" MMO.

Do you see how borderline insane your arguments are?

[Aramendel]

Yes, that the EU servers have US downtimes is very annoying. But then again, I should be working during this time anyways.

But still...only 1 hour wouldn't hurt. As long as it doesn't turn into 10 like I noticed on Monday->Tuesday at 4 AM. FFFFUUUUUU. Needless to say, I did not get all the work done I wanted to do yesterday.

[Daco]

Yes, that the EU servers have US downtimes is very annoying. But then again, I should be working during this time anyways.

But still...only 1 hour wouldn't hurt. As long as it doesn't turn into 10 like I noticed on Monday->Tuesday at 4 AM. FFFFUUUUUU. Needless to say, I did not get all the work done I wanted to do yesterday.

Their DTs start in NZ/AU prime time :(

[Tyrehl]

Yes, that the EU servers have US downtimes is very annoying. But then again, I should be working during this time anyways.

But still...only 1 hour wouldn't hurt. As long as it doesn't turn into 10 like I noticed on Monday->Tuesday at 4 AM. FFFFUUUUUU. Needless to say, I did not get all the work done I wanted to do yesterday.

Their DTs start in NZ/AU prime time :(
Yea this is terrible. I really feel bad for the people out there :( I was planning to get a new reusable medpac and prepare flasky consumables (persist through death) for me and 2 friends for tonight's flashpoint run but I will have to do it later today :|

:(

[Pattern]

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/star-wars-the-old-republic-peak-concurrent-users-top-350000-analyst-6348156
350,000 peak concurrent:

Thats fucking good no?

[noobcake]

SWG was the ideal Star Wars MMO and it managed to kill itself. I think the market can support innovative and sophisticated games within reasonable subscriber expectations as long as the management isn't SOE.

Unfortunately it didn't kill itself it was killed

SWG died the day the NGE hit. Whether you like it or not, thats the truth. There's 2 reasons it died, and some would say they go hand in hand:

1) SoE managed it

2) The NGE

also, if you wanna get technical about it, that game was at the end of it's shelf life anyway, what with soE choosing not to re-up their agreement with Lucas (or the other way around, i cant remember)...to say that SWG didnt kill itself, I guess is *technically* right, but the developer responsible for it's death didnt do a terribly great job of making sure that it kept it's customers around.

The NGE is probably the single largest failure in MMO history, imo.

[noobcake]

Go play Skyrim if you want your "real" MMO.

Do you see how borderline insane your arguments are?

something tells me you have failed to read anything related to the argument being made about "real" MMOs in this thread...if you had, youd have seen the references made to skyrim/fallout/bioshock etc.

[Winged Nazgul]

Go play Skyrim if you want your "real" MMO.

Do you see how borderline insane your arguments are?

something tells me you have failed to read anything related to the argument being made about "real" MMOs in this thread...if you had, youd have seen the references made to skyrim/fallout/bioshock etc.

Those are not MMO's. Those are single-player games. If you want that experience, stick to single-player games.

Do you not think it's retarded to argue that single-player games are more MMO than real MMO's are?

[Daco]

SWG was the ideal Star Wars MMO and it managed to kill itself. I think the market can support innovative and sophisticated games within reasonable subscriber expectations as long as the management isn't SOE.

Unfortunately it didn't kill itself it was killed

SWG died the day the NGE hit. Whether you like it or not, thats the truth. There's 2 reasons it died, and some would say they go hand in hand:

1) SoE managed it

2) The NGE

also, if you wanna get technical about it, that game was at the end of it's shelf life anyway, what with soE choosing not to re-up their agreement with Lucas (or the other way around, i cant remember)...to say that SWG didnt kill itself, I guess is *technically* right, but the developer responsible for it's death didnt do a terribly great job of making sure that it kept it's customers around.

The NGE is probably the single largest failure in MMO history, imo.

That is why i said it was killed....

[Steph]

So does anybody know why they take all their servers down for maintenance at the same time, instead of doing rolling updates across timezones like a sensible company would?

Hell, they're carbon-copying just about everything else WoW does, they might as well extend that to Blizz's server maintenance schedules tool.

[Itiken]

So does anybody know why they take all their servers down for maintenance at the same time, instead of doing rolling updates across timezones like a sensible company would?
Because all the developers are in one time-zone, and while the game is a baby, they'd rather patch it when the coders are awake. Citatino: Last week's +2 hour downtime. I wonder how long that would be with sleeping devs?


allegedly the servers are up now, 8 hour Downtime compressed to 3 hours is fine by me, though im sure the official forums will have terribad threads on it about how this is doing customers out of game time because they'd planned to soend the day out, but can't now the servers are up...... or some shit.

[helgur]

Actually for the first time I am inclined to agree with noobcake. There is nothing massive when it comes to the players involvement with each other in this game. It might be defined as an MMO by the mainstream, but that definition with literal interpretation of the meaning of the word 'massive' tastes odd to me when applied to games like SW:TOR.

[Itiken]

So does anybody know why they take all their servers down for maintenance at the same time, instead of doing rolling updates across timezones like a sensible company would?
Because all the developers are in one time-zone, and while the game is a baby, they'd rather patch it when the coders are awake. Citatino: Last week's +2 hour downtime. I wonder how long that would be with sleeping devs?


allegedly the servers are up now, 8 hour Downtime compressed to 3 hours is fine by me.

[mira o'karr]

allegedly the servers are up now, 8 hour Downtime compressed to 3 hours is fine by me, though im sure the official forums will have terribad threads on it about how this is doing customers out of game time because they'd planned to soend the day out, but can't now the servers are up...... or some shit.

yes servers are indeed up \o/

(i was ment to do stuff today but looks like i ll be playing instead :D )

[Steph]

Because all the developers are in one time-zone, and while the game is a baby, they'd rather patch it when the coders are awake. Citatino: Last week's +2 hour downtime. I wonder how long that would be with sleeping devs?

Surely with a cool million subscribers, they can afford to pay the devs overtime to come in at odd hours.

[lubica]

allegedly the servers are up now, 8 hour Downtime compressed to 3 hours is fine by me, though im sure the official forums will have terribad threads on it about how this is doing customers out of game time because they'd planned to soend the day out, but can't now the servers are up...... or some shit.

yes servers are indeed up \o/

(i was ment to do stuff today but looks like i ll be playing instead :D )
DAMMIT, WHY DO YOU TEMPT ME SO?

[Aramendel]

DAMMIT, WHY DO YOU TEMPT ME SO?

The Imperator wills it!

(I have to go to Uni in 20 minutes, but at least I can start some crew skills ^^)

[Freddy Dare]

Servers were down so did a dungeon with a m8 in skyrim.

[mira o'karr]

Servers were down so did a dungeon with a m8 in skyrim.

euros are still up. at least the one i m on...


edit: any one know if i can continue to use the epic grenades and the speeders once i drop cybertech?
edit2: actually speeders doesnt matter as i ll be getting myself a praxon strato at lvl 50. best looking speeder imho :D
http://tor.zamimg.com/torhead/uploads/screenshots/3163.jpg

edit3: i m 49 now and calculated i ll need 480k for speeder piloting and last set of skills. i am no slicer and i havent even sold much on the GTN (i think 2 grade 4 spaceship mods at 15k a pop). with an extra 100k for the speeder i want i still have about 300k left in my wallet. professions are at 400.
and that is with all the chains and dailys at 50 still ahead. thinking back to vanilla wow it was pretty tough to get your first epic mount together. in swtor every thing flows quite nicely to 50 i have to say.

[lubica]

edit3: i m 49 now and calculated i ll need 480k for speeder piloting and last set of skills. i am no slicer and i havent even sold much on the GTN (i think 2 grade 4 spaceship mods at 15k a pop). with an extra 100k for the speeder i want i still have about 300k left in my wallet. professions are at 400.
and that is with all the chains and dailys at 50 still ahead. thinking back to vanilla wow it was pretty tough to get your first epic mount together. in swtor every thing flows quite nicely to 50 i have to say.
Yea, gotta say I was nervous post-slicing nerf, but I think I made about 300k on Belsavis just from doing all the quests and ninjaing any lockboxes I came across.

[Aramendel]

I am pretty sure that reuseable grenades need Cybertech.

Speeders I am not sure, I do not see any requirement there so my guess at this time is that they don't need it. If I ever cave in and play endgame here my plan is to drop Cyber for Bio, but I will try to avoid it so I can keep some Real Life.

[lubica]

I am pretty sure that reuseable grenades need Cybertech.

Speeders I am not sure, I do not see any requirement there so my guess at this time is that they don't need it. If I ever cave in and play endgame here my plan is to drop Cyber for Bio, but I will try to avoid it so I can keep some Real Life.

Craftable speeders are bind on pickup afaik

[Aramendel]

Craftable speeders are bind on pickup afaik

Yes, but that has nothing to do with needing Cybertech after you crafted it.

You need Cyber to craft it, but what after that? It's not like you even use the item later, using it removes it and grants you the skill for that speeder. So unless dropping Cyber makes the skill unuseable you should still be able to use it. But I doubt they have build in that functionality considering the generaly state of the game and crafting in particular.

[Itiken]

I've been lead to believe you can indeed get cyber up, craft a unique speeder then do something else.

ION this patch seems to have fixed a number of issues, such as the guild window only showing a few people on-line, and the Sith Corruption flag resetting.
Both of these things make me happy.

[noobcake]

Go play Skyrim if you want your "real" MMO.

Do you see how borderline insane your arguments are?

something tells me you have failed to read anything related to the argument being made about "real" MMOs in this thread...if you had, youd have seen the references made to skyrim/fallout/bioshock etc.

Those are not MMO's. Those are single-player games. If you want that experience, stick to single-player games.

Do you not think it's retarded to argue that single-player games are more MMO than real MMO's are?


oh boy, you really didnt read what i wrote, instead you seem like youre just jumping on the "OMFG ITS NOOBCAKE, HE'S WRONG" bandwagon. Welcome to being retarded...

[evil edna]

to be fair thats a easy assumption to make

[Alistair]

to be fair thats a easy assumption to make

[DevilDude]

to be fair thats a easy assumption to make

[Freddy Dare]

to be fair thats a easy assumption to make


Riding you like a wagon all day long

[Kilabi]

It is a wagon with a pretty high chance of succes tbh.

Like every fucking other game the "goal" is to get the best gear. To get the best gear you have to finish stuff that takes 4-25 people hence MULTIplayer, massive because you can choose to build your group of 25 out of 1000s of people on your server and online because it is online.

Not a single line in the description of MMO says there needs to be any PvP at all. And nobody gives a fuck about your opinion what defines a MMO. I am not running round stating CoD is not a FPS because I think the concept is shit. You should also start a new thread about it.

What you search for is a minecraft-server. PvP, persistent, meaningful pvp AND online. Isn´t that awesome.



And I should stop making alts. IA 33, BH 41, SI 14, SW 12.
But the stories are really good so I am tempted to finish them all in time.

[Winged Nazgul]

Seriously, the people crying there should be more role-playing in MMO's (yes, both of them) have more of a beef than you do about persistent worlds. At least, that's in the game description.

[noobcake]

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[Rachag]

I'm enjoying my online single player game immensely, everyone else can fuck off. :guinness: :)

[DevilDude]

this just in, throwing an entire group off of a ledge to their deaths in the nar'shadaa bonus zone is the best feeling EVER.

[Alistair]

I'm enjoying my online single player game immensely, everyone else can fuck off. :guinness: :)

Probably the best and most productive attitude to take, tbqh.

[mira o'karr]

game has so many great moments :o

http://i.imgur.com/CyZGn.jpg (http://imgur.com/CyZGn)

[Isyel]

I'm enjoying my online single player game immensely, everyone else can fuck off. :guinness: :)

Probably the best and most productive attitude to take, tbqh.

C

[Ashaz]

I'm enjoying my online single player game immensely, everyone else can fuck off. :guinness: :)

That achtually made me interested in this game. :o

[Itiken]

Just cleared Boarding party for teh first time with a party of 32-33's except for a noob tank at 31 (me).

It was hairy at times, and we took a few tries to kill the final boss group, but all in all, it was a successful, entertaining, and Multiplayed evening out. Having 15 people online and in guild ever evening does help with the multiplay bit though ;)

Boss fights are definitely getting more entertaining.

It does seem though, people like to massively out-gear content. I guess ti comes from the "must do every mission" mentality leaving people hitting the FP missions 5+ levels above them. Or is this just our server? Seeing requests for lvl 30's for Mandlorian Raiders is just wrong.

[helgur]

Due to extremely high volumes of website traffic, you have been placed in a queue to access the page you requested. This is not an error page and you do not need to refresh your browser. This page will refresh automatically and take you into the site when there is room available.

:facepalm:

[stormyfs-shitpoastin]

Mandy Raiders is a cunt of an FP though, especially the actual boarding party.
It's a proper nub PUG killer, but the best way I've found to deal with it is to burn them all down to about 10% hp, then either AoE the rest away (trooper or bh heavy group works best with this) or simply kill one after the other really quickly.
The cc immunity and knockback fun is what makes it hard if you don't expect it.

[noobcake]

game has so many great moments :o

http://i.imgur.com/CyZGn.jpg (http://imgur.com/CyZGn)

DAT ALIASING

[Spaztick]

I'm not even sure if technology or the market today can support the "ideal MMO", but I'm sure such a game will exist someday.

Infinity... ohwait

Eve!

[Lilalaunebör]

Just cleared Boarding party for teh first time with a party of 32-33's except for a noob tank at 31 (me).

It was hairy at times, and we took a few tries to kill the final boss group, but all in all, it was a successful, entertaining, and Multiplayed evening out. Having 15 people online and in guild ever evening does help with the multiplay bit though ;)

Boss fights are definitely getting more entertaining.

It does seem though, people like to massively out-gear content. I guess ti comes from the "must do every mission" mentality leaving people hitting the FP missions 5+ levels above them. Or is this just our server? Seeing requests for lvl 30's for Mandlorian Raiders is just wrong.


Well, the crux is... im playing the game like a single player game with the occasional group mission with retarded npcs. So, so far ive done all missions offered to me, because i want to see the content (duh). Thats left me 5+ above quest level at 25, im only just starting on nar shadaar now.
I probably should have skipped through Taris instead because the surroundings might have been nice to look at, but the story was rather bleh with a couple of chuckles (a rather french appearing imp who would rather surrender if his boss allowed it, f.e.), now ill have to speed through the awesome hutt planet... or ill just keep outleveling the content.
Repeat the same reasoning on the planet after that, and after that...

[Aramendel]

I have made a policy of ignoring the bonus quests of a planet and do not do any group missions because taking ages to find people is IMO more trouble than its worth and keep on about the required level to 1-2 levels below content.

I would really really really recommend not to do all quests. Remember, other classes also have beautiful stories, you can do missions you miss on those later. No need to finish all on a single char because you do not want to miss content, it will only lead to you redoing them later with other chars.

[Nicho Void]

I'm enjoying my online single player game immensely, everyone else can fuck off. :guinness: :)
If all I had to pay were a single player price tag I might be able to enjoy it as well.

[DevilDude]

Anyone a decent warrior tank? Sith Juggernaut more specifically i guess. Just tried tanking my first instance and was not easy with damn BH doing AoE all over the place.

I'm actually a Commando, so can take it from that angle. My guildmate is a 45 Guardian tank spec, and they have a REALLY hard time controlling aggro if BH's/Troopers start spamming AoE everywhere. You don't have an awful lot of AoE threat moves, even at high level. Tell the team to only AoE when it's trash, or it's going to lead to bad times. I have learnt this myself...as tempting as mortar volley is, its not always a good plan....
just bringing this back up to say:

What is it with dipshits and AoE? AoE is only ever useful for very specific purposes, even against trash don't use it unless you have an actual reason. It breaks CC, and it fucks with the tank, he'll have enough trouble keeping shit off the healer as it is, why does anyone ever think spamming AoE against anything but lower level world mobs is a good idea?

[Mavolio]

Tanking doesn't appear to be that much of a challenge in terms of threat once you hit lvl 50. I've been running with 3 friends in a guild group doing hard modes and once the tank has hit a mob a few times we never get agro off him unless he just leaves the mob from that point on. And that includes packs with 5 mobs keeping agro while both DPS let off all their AoE stuff after about 2-3 seconds. I've no idea how he keeps agro tho as i've not bothered to learn how Sith Warrior works.

One small thing tho is that its not worth tanking the weakest mobs (as long as 4-5 dont attack a single person) as they die too quickly to matter and it doesn't matter if a DPS gets agro on a single strong mob as long as the healer isn't afk as a DPS should be able to solo a single strong if he isn't horrible (aka low dps, no stuns or interrupts). SO dont worry if you dont have 100% of the mobs on you 100% of the time as long as people dont die.

[evil edna]

I have made a policy of ignoring the bonus quests of a planet and do not do any group missions because taking ages to find people is IMO more trouble than its worth and keep on about the required level to 1-2 levels below content.

I would really really really recommend not to do all quests. Remember, other classes also have beautiful stories, you can do missions you miss on those later. No need to finish all on a single char because you do not want to miss content, it will only lead to you redoing them later with other chars.


you make a valid point that for some reason i hadnt thought of. gonna leave more stuff undone from now on

[Isyel]

I have made a policy of ignoring the bonus quests of a planet and do not do any group missions because taking ages to find people is IMO more trouble than its worth and keep on about the required level to 1-2 levels below content.

I would really really really recommend not to do all quests. Remember, other classes also have beautiful stories, you can do missions you miss on those later. No need to finish all on a single char because you do not want to miss content, it will only lead to you redoing them later with other chars.


you make a valid point that for some reason i hadnt thought of. gonna leave more stuff undone from now on

Being below level will leave you pretty much unable to solo some class quests with your char depending on class though. Some of them are pretty wtf.

[Donte]

account locked because i couldnt remember if my teacher in first grade was mrs schultz or mr owen... you know 25 fucking years ago...

i hate retarded security questions.

if they got game enough to hack my login ID and password, im sure they're going to get my security questions too!

grr...

[DevilDude]

I have made a policy of ignoring the bonus quests of a planet and do not do any group missions because taking ages to find people is IMO more trouble than its worth and keep on about the required level to 1-2 levels below content.

I would really really really recommend not to do all quests. Remember, other classes also have beautiful stories, you can do missions you miss on those later. No need to finish all on a single char because you do not want to miss content, it will only lead to you redoing them later with other chars.


you make a valid point that for some reason i hadnt thought of. gonna leave more stuff undone from now on

Being below level will leave you pretty much unable to solo some class quests with your char depending on class though. Some of them are pretty wtf.

the way I've been doing it on my alts is to run PvP for 90% of my leveling and just hit the story quests as I level up.

[Daco]

I have made a policy of ignoring the bonus quests of a planet and do not do any group missions because taking ages to find people is IMO more trouble than its worth and keep on about the required level to 1-2 levels below content.

I would really really really recommend not to do all quests. Remember, other classes also have beautiful stories, you can do missions you miss on those later. No need to finish all on a single char because you do not want to miss content, it will only lead to you redoing them later with other chars.

Tbh an easy thing to do would be do some space missions in between each one takes what between 4-6mins and you get a lot of XP for them, also I don't have a problem finding people to do the side missions with since me and my brother are playing through at the same time.

[noobcake]

account locked because i couldnt remember if my teacher in first grade was mrs schultz or mr owen... you know 25 fucking years ago...

i hate retarded security questions.

if they got game enough to hack my login ID and password, im sure they're going to get my security questions too!

grr...

You make it like you didn't have a choice in the security questions you could provide answers to...

Sent from my HTC EVO using Tapatalk (pissing FHC off since 2011)

[Aramendel]

If all I had to pay were a single player price tag I might be able to enjoy it as well.

Unless you play very little (like below 4 hours per week) it is actually cheaper than the equivalent of single player RPGs. SWTOR has easily enough content for 3 of those, that is worth a fair amount of months suscription.

You can dislike suscription because the concept, but "it's more expensive" really has no basis if you do the math.

[Kilabi]

If all I had to pay were a single player price tag I might be able to enjoy it as well.

Unless you play very little (like below 4 hours per week) it is actually cheaper than the equivalent of single player RPGs. SWTOR has easily enough content for 3 of those, that is worth a fair amount of months suscription.

You can dislike suscription because the concept, but "it's more expensive" really has no basis if you do the math.

My thoughts exactly on most MMOs. Even if I just play from 1 month, I do that pretty hardcore mostly and get more playtime out of it than a AAA-RPG release. I am pretty sure I already played this more than Skyrim for example.

[Aramendel]

In other news, I love my lvl 40 mount. It isn't realyl that much faster, but it for sure *feels* a lot faster. Mainly because you do not have that stupid "hanging behind it" position. I mean, seriously, who would ever willingly use such a position? It would be very uncomfortable very quickly because your arms and legs would have to hold your weight all the time and counteract the effects of acceleration and braking.

Sitting makes a lot more sense. And my char is even tilting to the left and right in curves *weeeeee*

[noobcake]

If all I had to pay were a single player price tag I might be able to enjoy it as well.

Unless you play very little (like below 4 hours per week) it is actually cheaper than the equivalent of single player RPGs. SWTOR has easily enough content for 3 of those, that is worth a fair amount of months suscription.

You can dislike suscription because the concept, but "it's more expensive" really has no basis if you do the math.


errrr 15 dollars a month, plus 60 dollars initial purchase fee...maybe im missing something here, but thats signficantly more than any other single player game i've ever paid for...and even then, most single player games are just as easily pirated, making your claim of "this kind of MMO is cheaper than a standard single player RPG" look pretty paper-thin

[Daco]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Another DT in AU/NZ Prime time...... They aren't even polite enough to tell us how long this time.

[Wrack]

In other news, I love my lvl 40 mount. It isn't realyl that much faster, but it for sure *feels* a lot faster. Mainly because you do not have that stupid "hanging behind it" position. I mean, seriously, who would ever willingly use such a position? It would be very uncomfortable very quickly because your arms and legs would have to hold your weight all the time and counteract the effects of acceleration and braking.

Sitting makes a lot more sense. And my char is even tilting to the left and right in curves *weeeeee*

Standing mounts make more sense because you can sit still and spin. When your oblong little car does that, the front end is magically whipping around at high speed, clipping pedestrians.

So I'm sticking with my segway.

[lubica]

Just got synthweaving to 400, ragemode engaged. Aside from biochem I'd say crafting skills as they are atm, are pointless. The epic lvl 50 craftable belt and wrists are BoP and require a blue crafting mat, also BoP, that drops only from the last boss in HM FPs or in Ops. Other crafting skills have identical issues. On the other hand biochem lvl50 consumables will grant you a very clear advantage in raid performance over anyone without it. Fuck.

[Itiken]

I have made a policy of ignoring the bonus quests of a planet and do not do any group missions because taking ages to find people is IMO more trouble than its worth and keep on about the required level to 1-2 levels below content.

I would really really really recommend not to do all quests. Remember, other classes also have beautiful stories, you can do missions you miss on those later. No need to finish all on a single char because you do not want to miss content, it will only lead to you redoing them later with other chars.


you make a valid point that for some reason i hadnt thought of. gonna leave more stuff undone from now on

I tend to alternate. On one planet i'll do the bare minimum, and blitz through it saving it for my second / third / fourth play-through, and on the next i'll do everything. Heroics, groups, areas, bonuses, etc etc.

If Mandlorian is a PUG-Breaker, i shudder to think what some of the boss fights in Boarding Party would do to a PUG... oh wait they radically over-level them and then wine on fourms about....something.


I mean, seriously, who would ever willingly use such a position? It would be very uncomfortable very quickly because your arms and legs would have to hold your weight all the time and counteract the effects of acceleration and braking.
*pats Aramendel*
It's ok - it irritates me too :)


I'd say crafting skills as they are atm, are pointless.
Having someone in guild to make hilts / crystals / Enhancements etc is nice, as you can get hold of better mods than the crap selection in Vendors. I believe this is Artificing and..... Armourtech ?
Though i hear at 50 you can't remove mods from epic gear. trolololol ??


FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Another DT in AU/NZ Prime time...... They aren't even polite enough to tell us how long this time.
Time: Soon (tm)
reason: Patch 1.0.2b
Allegedly finally possibly hopefully fixing the chat channel bug. maybe.

[Steph]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Another DT in AU/NZ Prime time...... They aren't even polite enough to tell us how long this time.

Jesus christ, two days in a row?

N1 bioware, n1

[Kilabi]

errrr 15 dollars a month, plus 60 dollars initial purchase fee...maybe im missing something here, but thats signficantly more than any other single player game i've ever paid for...and even then, most single player games are just as easily pirated, making your claim of "this kind of MMO is cheaper than a standard single player RPG" look pretty paper-thin

I live in a pretty safe neighbourhood out on the land. We don not get much crime around here and we mostly do not even lock our doors in the night. The guy living next to me has a pretty nice BMW, 4-5 years old but still in a very very good shape and with all the extras. He always stashes the key to the car on a board in his garage but locks the garage. I know how to open his door though as it is rather old and not that secure.

I just take his car for a spin sometimes when I feel like it and I do not even fill the gas back up when I am done. He knows something is going on but can´t catch me as I am very careful and loads of other people do it too so he can´t pin us down.
Anyway long story short, I think BMWs are really cheap to drive because I do not pay for them.

[Yllegarn]

Anyone know when the servers will be up?
CET?

[noobcake]

errrr 15 dollars a month, plus 60 dollars initial purchase fee...maybe im missing something here, but thats signficantly more than any other single player game i've ever paid for...and even then, most single player games are just as easily pirated, making your claim of "this kind of MMO is cheaper than a standard single player RPG" look pretty paper-thin

I live in a pretty safe neighbourhood out on the land. We don not get much crime around here and we mostly do not even lock our doors in the night. The guy living next to me has a pretty nice BMW, 4-5 years old but still in a very very good shape and with all the extras. He always stashes the key to the car on a board in his garage but locks the garage. I know how to open his door though as it is rather old and not that secure.

I just take his car for a spin sometimes when I feel like it and I do not even fill the gas back up when I am done. He knows something is going on but can´t catch me as I am very careful and loads of other people do it too so he can´t pin us down.
Anyway long story short, I think BMWs are really cheap to drive because I do not pay for them.

lolol comparing a one time fee game to a BMW, thats a certain kind of special

[Kilabi]

Yeah, certain kind of special. Thought I go down to your level so you also understand.

I also think BMWs are not cars because my image of a car looks different. I only talk of them as forks and spoons.

[filingo]

noobcake, if you arent playing swtor then shut the fuck up and get out of the thread. your shit posting is annoying me now. improve your standards or dont post in other games.

e: stop arguing as well kilabi

[Kilabi]

Pushing back on track in that case.

Anyone found proper info on when the servers are back up?

German forums say DT from 9-13 CET but iirc the servers went down later than that.

[Daco]

noobcake, if you arent playing swtor then shut the fuck up and get out of the thread. your shit posting is annoying me now. improve your standards or dont post in other games.

e: stop arguing as well kilabi

For once I actually agree with Filingo....

[Aramendel]

Having someone in guild to make hilts / crystals / Enhancements etc is nice, as you can get hold of better mods than the crap selection in Vendors. I believe this is Artificing and..... Armourtech ?

Cybertech, not Armormech.
And Armstech for Barrels.

Cyber is very nice for leveling, no way in hell I could maintain my fully orange gear without it. However at lvl 50 there is no point to use it, stuff which drops in hard flashpoints is better. In the "endgame" the only viable skill is Biochem.

And even for leveling...if you can maintain the stim buff while playing (of which I have no idea if it is possible, but I think it is likely) you should have efficiently about the same stats with the basic quest rewards equipment as someone who uses cyber to keep his mods on the cutting edge the whole time.


most single player games are just as easily pirated, making your claim of "this kind of MMO is cheaper than a standard single player RPG" look pretty paper-thin

Except Nico said "If all I had to pay were a single player price tag" and not "If I could get it for free".


German forums say DT from 9-13 CET but iirc the servers went down later than that.

My (EU-EN) server is up again.

[Freddy Dare]

whoohoo level 8 \o/ got me a companion, really wanted to crack on with the game but at 2am this morning my eyes refused to stay open.
it pulls me further and further in everytime i play, Someone kept dueling me last night and really didnt like that i beat him over and over again. first couple of fights were realyl close but the rest I wiped the floor with him. My friends tell me because im a clicker I wont stand a chance once i get further into the pvp stuff and I have to get used to using keybinds asap.

while I understand the benefit I cant understand how I am supposed to do this with a default keyboard and only 4 fucking fingers. I used the macro system in rift and used about 3-5 keybinds for them but to me with my current control system thats my limit. how the fuck ??


and thank fuck for filingo

[Itiken]

I cant understand how I am supposed to do this with a default keyboard and only 4 fucking fingers. I used the macro system in rift and used about 3-5 keybinds for them but to me with my current control system thats my limit. how the fuck ??
Don't play a juggernaugt then.
at 31 i've got 2 full bars plus half a full sidebar.... and use most of them.
MY FINGERS ARGH (use 1-6, Q,E,R,F,C & Shift-these mappings. it just works)
IIRC in the Reddit AMA i was mentioned and they are "aware" of the issue and are may streamline things.


Cybertech,
Cheers.

servers up - time to level some crafting at work.

Does anybody have a spreadsheet/app where you can fiddle with the mods & enhancements in especially orange gear, to work out where and when it's worth upgrading ?

[Loganbacca]

As far as building mods goes:

Artifice = hilts, crystals and enhancements
Cybertech = armoring and mods
Armstech = barrels
Slicing = augments

I've currently got Armormech on my main and Cybertech on my alt. Armormech is actually quite handy for upgrading companion armour sets. I want to start using some custom gear though so I've been speed levelling my alt's cybertech skill up to be able to build armoring and mods at the same level my main is. Another bonus Cybertech gets is unlimited use (BoP) grenades, not sure how much use they are in PvP or PvE though.


while I understand the benefit I cant understand how I am supposed to do this with a default keyboard and only 4 fucking fingers. I used the macro system in rift and used about 3-5 keybinds for them but to me with my current control system thats my limit.

I have 6 extra buttons on my mouse (not counting left, right and middle buttons), so I have 1-6 mapped to them, then I have the centre hotbars mapped to 1-6, Shift + 1-6, Crtl + 1-6, and Alt + 1-6. 24 keybinds on my mouse, it's awesome. I have no idea how I'd do it with a standard keyboard + mouse.

[Itiken]

I have no idea how I'd do it with a standard keyboard + mouse.

http://www.digital-photo.com.au/gallery/d/17808-3/Hands_MG_6545.jpg

[Aramendel]

I have no idea how I'd do it with a standard keyboard + mouse.

http://www.digital-photo.com.au/gallery/d/17808-3/Hands_MG_6545.jpg

403 forbidden :p

[Malaes]

Has anyone else found the leveling flashpoints are fairly easy. Then in the 35-40 ones the bosses are either so easy you can afk it or one/two shot the tank?

I have been two manning them with a pair of healing companions though, so not a full group.

[Wrack]

I had no trouble tanking any of the sub-50 FPs as a dps-specced, dps-geared vanguard

[lubica]

Tanked boarding party at l32 with l30 sorc heal and 2 assasins for dps, both 31-32 and it's anything but easy. At least until you figure out how to avoid the nade spam from the boss. It only took us 7 or 8 wipes to figure it out on our own, but it was a lot of fun (if anyone suggests we should have googled the tactics, you can stuff a large black dildo youknowwhere)

Tanked Mandalorian Raiders at 25 with a PUG and it was a horrible wipefest on the 'council' fight as the DPS could not fucking understand what 'stop nuking when they got 2k hp left and move to next target' meant. Getting raped by the last mob 4 times in a row was apparently too hard to understand.

The FPs are not insanely hard, but if you do them at the same level as the last boss in said FP, they're not all that easy either. Anyone who just breezed through BP was definitely over the level it's meant for. If you want hard, go to Belsavis, be around lvl 43 and try to kill the boss in the [4M] Breakthrough quest with 1 melee dps in group or more (+tank).

[noobcake]

noobcake, if you arent playing swtor then shut the fuck up and get out of the thread. your shit posting is annoying me now. improve your standards or dont post in other games.

e: stop arguing as well kilabi

hurrrr read the fucking thread

[Freddy Dare]

noobcake, if you arent playing swtor then shut the fuck up and get out of the thread. your shit posting is annoying me now. improve your standards or dont post in other games.

e: stop arguing as well kilabi

hurrrr read the fucking thread


:popcorn:




On topic: made it to lvl 11. just done my first hutball !!!! omgf

Playing as a bounty hunter running around spamming my heal at shit, so not engaged in direct combat (fuck you it floats my boat)
it's fudging nuts, was playing solo so wasn't very effective in any way shape or form but will look forward to playing it with friends later.
also looked at crafting but my brain just ...........

[evil edna]

i tried huttball once and found it so boring i doubt ill even try it again.

im lvl 19 now tho as a smuggler. THE WOOKIE IS CLOSE, I CAN TASTE IT

[dstopia]

Wow for the first time I found myself agreeing with noobcake, that is, if TOR is actually what he's saying it is since I haven't played the game. But if it is actually a single-player game with the persistent-world illusion a la GW (with the difference you can see other players killing monsters, so fun), then he's absolutely right, it feels like a waste to spend 15 dollars a month for that. I also thought he was being quite civil for his usual self.

There's some hatin' going on in this thread, FREE NOOBCAKE.

:hatersgonnahate:

[GiDiYi]

God damn, I just ordered this game. :/

[Trindermon]

Anyone calling SWTOR A single player game is a compleate mong.

Like any MMO (or lots of the newones that focus on over world adventuring) you can totally solo the game to a point. I played my first char (a BH to around 30) in a solo manner; i found the game *ok* but frankly not anything speical. With my second char (Assasin) i have done almost every single mission with a friend; (actaully some random i met early on and actaully bothered to interact with) - the experiance has been excellent, its almost been mass effect with 2 players in missions - really really good fun. Watching your group mate chop someone down in a cut sceane is flat out fucking helarious , or at least it can be.

I dont think this is better than any other MMO out there; the fact is however that like in mmo's of old you have to actaully go out and talk to people. If you do its as rewarding a gaming and social experiance as you can make it. Its true there is no "I PRESS BUTAN AND NOW I AM IN GROUP" but there is plenty for good group content to do , you just have to get of your ass and interact with folks - and its not a bad thing that you can find some good solo content as well.

[Daco]

i tried huttball once and found it so boring i doubt ill even try it again.

im lvl 19 now tho as a smuggler. THE WOOKIE IS CLOSE, I CAN TASTE IT

As the Agent I had to wait until lvl 30-32 before I got another companion seemed to take forever.

[evil edna]

ive seen lvl 22s with the wookie. cant be far, im excited.

only reason i bought this damn game

[Aramendel]

Yes, classes get their companions at different times. AFAIK the Jedi Knight gets his 2nd one already on Coruscant (not the ship droid).

[Isyel]

Yes, classes get their companions at different times. AFAIK the Jedi Knight gets his 2nd one already on Coruscant (not the ship droid).

Yeh, got her at 13 or so... :P On the other hand, the story is cheesy bullshit and the class is sadly meh at best. :(

[Lilalaunebör]

Guardian now at 27, didnt have much time. But damn Def Guardian is sloooow at killing things, so i wasted some credits on respeccing into damage, which in turn meant id have to rest after each mob group. Maybe i should have tried getting out the tank droid, but i didnt upgrade his gear at all :S

According to the internet i should be getting my healing companion around 32, cant wait because then i might still be unbelievably slow, but at least ill be able to solo almost anything.


Ive also had my first pvp experience (lol, at lvl26 on an open world pvp server). Got so excited that i jumped right in not realizing i was fighting a 42 BH, with predictable outcome. But it did take him amazingly long to kill me. Im actually astonished at the lack of griefing / camping, would have expected a lot more.

e: argeed that the story is cheesy, but it is after all the archetypical star wars hero character. And as far as meh abilities, the basic melee setup makes for some rather beautiful lightsaber dancing, if youve got the time to appreciate it. Which i dont since i have my eyes locked on the quickbar to figure out which ultra-log cd is coming up next.

[Isyel]

Guardian now at 27, didnt have much time. But damn Def Guardian is sloooow at killing things, so i wasted some credits on respeccing into damage, which in turn meant id have to rest after each mob group. Maybe i should have tried getting out the tank droid, but i didnt upgrade his gear at all :S

According to the internet i should be getting my healing companion around 32, cant wait because then i might still be unbelievably slow, but at least ill be able to solo almost anything.


Ive also had my first pvp experience (lol, at lvl26 on an open world pvp server). Got so excited that i jumped right in not realizing i was fighting a 42 BH, with predictable outcome. But it did take him amazingly long to kill me. Im actually astonished at the lack of griefing / camping, would have expected a lot more.

e: argeed that the story is cheesy, but it is after all the archetypical star wars hero character. And as far as meh abilities, the basic melee setup makes for some rather beautiful lightsaber dancing, if youve got the time to appreciate it. Which i dont since i have my eyes locked on the quickbar to figure out which ultra-log cd is coming up next.

Just way too many abilities spread around for no good reason, too many longish CDs and generally lackluster... everything... Coming from a lvl 50 guardian.

[Daco]

Apparently another DT tonight in AU/NZ TZ again :(

[Steph]

oh my fucking god are you serious

[spasm]

Jedi knight droid is so fucking adorable.

[Isyel]

Of course i had to choose the worst fucking server again for my main. Underpopulated republic side and retards in pvp like you've never seen. Ugh.

[noobcake]

Of course i had to choose the worst fucking server again for my main. Underpopulated republic side and retards in pvp like you've never seen. Ugh.

were u just crying like a bitch on Sword of Ajunta Pall?

[Isyel]

Of course i had to choose the worst fucking server again for my main. Underpopulated republic side and retards in pvp like you've never seen. Ugh.

were u just crying like a bitch on Sword of Ajunta Pall?

Seeing as (as usual) i have no fucking idea what the hell you're on about, no, definitely not.

[noobcake]

Of course i had to choose the worst fucking server again for my main. Underpopulated republic side and retards in pvp like you've never seen. Ugh.

were u just crying like a bitch on Sword of Ajunta Pall?

Seeing as (as usual) i have no fucking idea what the hell you're on about, no, definitely not.


youre bitching here about how LOLTERIBLE people pvp on your server, id figured i'd take a stab and see if you were the whiny bitch on my server i just finished 4 games of huttball with...

[lubica]

I've decided that the lvl40 Sith Warrior pvp set is the best looking set in-game and my continuing mission in TOR will be to keep upgrading and wearing that for as long as fucking possible, because jesus fucking christ on a pogo-stick the end-game sets look like shit. And everyone knows that good looks are like 10% extra dps, at least.

[Itiken]

Wow for the first time I found myself agreeing with noobcake, that is, if TOR is actually what he's saying it is since I haven't played the game. But if it is actually a single-player game with the persistent-world illusion a la GW (with the difference you can see other players killing monsters, so fun), then he's absolutely right, it feels like a waste to spend 15 dollars a month for that. I also thought he was being quite civil for his usual self.

There's some hatin' going on in this thread, FREE NOOBCAKE.

:hatersgonnahate:

1/10 :)

[lubica]

Wow for the first time I found myself agreeing with noobcake, that is, if TOR is actually what he's saying it is since I haven't played the game. But if it is actually a single-player game with the persistent-world illusion a la GW (with the difference you can see other players killing monsters, so fun), then he's absolutely right, it feels like a waste to spend 15 dollars a month for that. I also thought he was being quite civil for his usual self.

There's some hatin' going on in this thread, FREE NOOBCAKE.

:hatersgonnahate:

1/10 :)
p. much

It's only single-player if you're an unsociable retard that is incapable of establishing new, normal connections with people he has never met before. It's like a highsec miner in a NPC corp complaining that EVE is dull. Meet people, play together, have fun. There is nothing in TOR that stops you from doing that and if anything the game design takes care of doing solo quests with friends brilliantly, through shared conversations, fast/shared quest item respawns etc.

[noobcake]

It's only single-player if you're an unsociable retard that is incapable of establishing new, normal connections with people he has never met before. It's like a highsec miner in a NPC corp complaining that EVE is dull. Meet people, play together, have fun. There is nothing in TOR that stops you from doing that and if anything the game design takes care of doing solo quests with friends brilliantly, through shared conversations, fast/shared quest item respawns etc.



while i understand the comparison you're making here, it just doesnt fit. In Eve, the high sec miner is willingly denying the option to participate in dynamic content that actually exists. I fail to see how I'm denying content that doesnt exist. You can run through the game, single player, all day without the need of a friend. Fuck, in Eve even the high sec miners need a hauler, mining bonuses, and ultimately to interact with the world beyond just mining asteroids in a belt. Yes, this can all be achieved via multiple alts, and probably is in alot of cases, but the fact remains that Eve has other dynamic content that is available to the users, and it's their choice whether they want to participate in it.

SWTOR consists of 2 portions of the game imo...the first portion being brilliant quests, and storyline worthy of multiple awards. The second part consists of absolutely atrocious endgame PVP that fails to live up to it's potential on multiple levels. Denying the awful endgame PVP leaves you playing a storyline game with sidequests, not much different than any Elder Scrolls or Fallout Game. This wouldnt be so bad if there was at least some form of world shaping that was done by the players, such as benefits for controlling the battlefield on Ilum, and bonuses for weekly win/loss totals in the two faction based PVP warzones.

If a game is using the selling points of "but it's Star Wars" and "You can cross paths with multiple people on the same treadmill", I still maintain that's a slap in the face and a blatant insult of consumer intelligence.

[Itiken]

I see what you are getting at, but respectfully i disagree.
However that's irrelevant, as it comes down to expectations.

As a Primarily PvE game, as opposed to EvE's primarily PvP game, i don't give a fuck about endgame PvP, never have, never will. I care about: Good Quests (check), a in-game IRC like chat channel (Check), Friends to experience A and B (Check). Some people don't care about this, fine, some do, and are happy.

saying "The game is shit because it doesn't have meaningful endgame PvP" is not a good discussion angle. It was never sold as that, and claiming it was is a blatant slap in the face to consumer intelligence. If you want "meaningful PvP" go back to eve, join a blob, and take a tech moon - well done - you changed the universe. was it Real?

Sure, you can play the whole game solo, i hear with the right class & massively overlevelling areas, you can solo most of the Heroics (note: Group content) and ignore Flashpoints (Note: Group Content). That's fine, if you want to do that, go ahead. I don't, and from my experience, many others on this server don't either.

You're right, it's not 'much' different to elder scrolls / Fallout. But neither are most MMO's.
It still comes back to, though, this is your opinion why the game sucks, and not only do many disagree with you, most readers of this thread would like to read a thread about a game, rather than pages of noobcake telling us he doesn't like it

[Tyrehl]

I love the game but i have to agree about the shitty pvp. They will be adding stuff in January (according to one of their ... "dev blogs"?) which is cool. On the other hand, the patches they releasy are sooo bad. Like .. wtf, 2 hours mainenance to fix an issue with the in-game chat? There are tons of bugs (and im not talking about that one quest on balmorra, its bugs we have to deal with on a daily basis).
Another really bad thing is the ability delay. There is an ongoing discussion (several threadnoughts) and i really hope that this will be fixed soon.

Another thing that worries me is that the end game boss encounters are fairly simple. I hope that bioware has a good team taking care of the pve. Copy-pasting from wow wont work really well (lol) here.

<3 the game so far :P

[Dregek]

to lighten the mood in this fred

just seen this comment on a french version of the trailers


Jedi's aren't French... When have you ever seen a Jedi surrender?

made me lol

[noobcake]

saying "The game is shit because it doesn't have meaningful endgame PvP" is not a good discussion angle. It was never sold as that, and claiming it was is a blatant slap in the face to consumer intelligence. If you want "meaningful PvP" go back to eve, join a blob, and take a tech moon - well done - you changed the universe. was it Real?

not really sure why so hostile :derper:

It's not about me wanting the game to be about PvP. I think you also misunderstood the "slap in the face/insult to intelligence" part of my post...it's understandable how you might do so while frothing at the mouth trying to respond to a rational post of mine.

[Itiken]

not really sure why so hostile :derper:
I think you misunderstand me.
:razor:

[Freddy Dare]

fucking hell.
Noob you compared the game to a single player game to start with.
despite the fact the game constantly asks you to quest with friends, Run warfronts with friends, Do the shitty end game content with friends.
Now you shift to end game content in a newly released game is shit : non shocker.
If your going to play a mmo on release you take the rough with the smooth and have some patience.


I see what you are getting at, but respectfully i disagree.


not really sure why so hostile


:|

[lubica]

inb4 trollface.jpg damage control

[Daco]

to lighten the mood in this fred

just seen this comment on a french version of the trailers


Jedi's aren't French... When have you ever seen a Jedi surrender?

made me lol

:lol:

[Aramendel]

Some advice - it is kinda obvious, but just in case:

At the end of a large instanced dungeon, did all stuff in it and just need to get out now? Quick Travel on cooldown and do not want to fight through 1 zillion respawned mobs? Logout and login and e volà you are outside the instances entrance.

[Wen Jaibao]

I just ran the Maelstrom flashpoint with my friends. Without a doubt this is the single most important, and awesome, flashpoint in SWTOR I have yet to experience. If you have not run it yet I suggest you do posthaste.

Masssive spoiler below for the :foreveralones: who wont be able to run it.
You save Revan, who was imprisoned by the Emperor and kept alive by sith sorcery for 200 years

[Itiken]

Some advice - it is kinda obvious, but just in case:

At the end of a large instanced dungeon, did all stuff in it and just need to get out now? Quick Travel on cooldown and do not want to fight through 1 zillion respawned mobs? Logout and login and e volà you are outside the instances entrance.

Or just click the "Exit instance" button above our mini-map ?

:)


Insert :facepalm: Here:

[Malaes]

Some advice - it is kinda obvious, but just in case:

At the end of a large instanced dungeon, did all stuff in it and just need to get out now? Quick Travel on cooldown and do not want to fight through 1 zillion respawned mobs? Logout and login and e volà you are outside the instances entrance.

Or just click the "Exit instance" button above our mini-map ?

:)


Insert :facepalm: Here:

I think he meant instanced areas like group quests, not flashpoints.

Or does that button exist for those as well? :P

[Kilabi]

Some advice - it is kinda obvious, but just in case:

At the end of a large instanced dungeon, did all stuff in it and just need to get out now? Quick Travel on cooldown and do not want to fight through 1 zillion respawned mobs? Logout and login and e volà you are outside the instances entrance.

Or just click the "Exit instance" button above our mini-map ?

:)


Insert :facepalm: Here:

My first thought exactly again. ^^

My BH story just got loads better on Quesh, just saying. :P

[Aramendel]

I think he meant instanced areas like group quests, not flashpoints.

Or does that button exist for those as well? :P

That. Single player ones too. Most are small, but some are quite large where it would take minutes to run out normally.

If it exists there too is indeed a :facepalm: issue though, never noticed it.

[Itiken]

Just did the bonus series on Nar Shaddaa:
Don't bother

[Lilalaunebör]

Just found out the Trooper gets a KillBot 9000 companion, im sold. Should be pretty awesome, my healspec commando plus a ranged tank companion.
Guardian is just too slow for me atm (and i can guess most of the story already), will continue her when they streamline the abilities.

[Kaianna]

Just found out the Trooper gets a KillBot 9000 companion, im sold. Should be pretty awesome, my healspec commando plus a ranged tank companion.
Guardian is just too slow for me atm (and i can guess most of the story already), will continue her when they streamline the abilities.

The Trooper droid is one of the best characters ever. Absolutely fucking hilarious constantly.

[Lilan kahn]

Just found out the Trooper gets a KillBot 9000 companion, im sold. Should be pretty awesome, my healspec commando plus a ranged tank companion.
Guardian is just too slow for me atm (and i can guess most of the story already), will continue her when they streamline the abilities.

The Trooper droid is one of the best characters ever. Absolutely fucking hilarious constantly.

qft

[Kaianna]

Just found out the Trooper gets a KillBot 9000 companion, im sold. Should be pretty awesome, my healspec commando plus a ranged tank companion.
Guardian is just too slow for me atm (and i can guess most of the story already), will continue her when they streamline the abilities.

The Trooper droid is one of the best characters ever. Absolutely fucking hilarious constantly.

qft

Now, we shall ride this durasteel eagle into the heart of the Empire!

[I Legionnaire]

How's the smuggler for endgame pve?

[Kaianna]

How's the smuggler for endgame pve?

Same as any other class really. Can heal or do dps depending on spec perfectly viably.

[Fallout]

Whats the smuggler like storywise? Plan on getting this soon and the imperial agents story was awesome in beta, but might try a republic character when I buy it.

[Isyel]

Whats the smuggler like storywise? Plan on getting this soon and the imperial agents story was awesome in beta, but might try a republic character when I buy it.

Very good i hear. Also has best companions clearly. :P

[Itiken]

"The Sparkle Legacy"
\o/

[dstopia]

Wow for the first time I found myself agreeing with noobcake, that is, if TOR is actually what he's saying it is since I haven't played the game. But if it is actually a single-player game with the persistent-world illusion a la GW (with the difference you can see other players killing monsters, so fun), then he's absolutely right, it feels like a waste to spend 15 dollars a month for that. I also thought he was being quite civil for his usual self.

There's some hatin' going on in this thread, FREE NOOBCAKE.

:hatersgonnahate:

1/10 :)

Hey at least it got him banned. You should all be thanking me right now.

[GiDiYi]

So, I got my copy today, installed it, did all the yaddaregisteringyaddasecuritystuff and started the client.

Had the brilliant idea to switch the client language from my native tongue to english... download of the language packs will probably keep running for the night, because I've got a shitty internet connection in this flat.

Well well, you live and learn.

Decided to go with a Jedi Consular, because it seems the republican side is generally underrepresented and I usually roll with tanky close range guys, yet I wanted to have a lightsaber.

[helgur]

Ok, Noobcake is fucking annoying and a cunt sometimes and sure deserved to taste a tempban but he did actually manage to deliver a consise message ITT without being too much of a dick. You want to reinforce positive behavior not ban him :P

Content:

My Sith Juggernaut is now level 38, and starting to feel the grind. I can't be bothered to do PvE as long as my XP bar is "yellow" anymore, when it does I park my char in a restarea and switch to my republic smuggler char which is now a level 22 scoundrel.

But yeah, shit is starting to very feel repetitive. It doesn't help that Bioware have recycled a lot of the dialogue so my character just keep repeating shit in conversations and answering with a lot of vague general sentences. That doesn't exactly bring a lot of immersion to the dialogue.

[Space Panda]

n00bcake will live on through us. don't worry guys.

does anyone know if orange gear can have an augment slot?

[Isyel]

Ok, Noobcake is fucking annoying and a cunt sometimes and sure deserved to taste a tempban but he did actually manage to deliver a consise message ITT without being too much of a dick. You want to reinforce positive behavior not ban him :P

Content:

My Sith Juggernaut is now level 38, and starting to feel the grind. I can't be bothered to do PvE as long as my XP bar is "yellow" anymore, when it does I park my char in a restarea and switch to my republic smuggler char which is now a level 22 scoundrel.

But yeah, shit is starting to very feel repetitive. It doesn't help that Bioware have recycled a lot of the dialogue so my character just keep repeating shit in conversations and answering with a lot of vague general sentences. That doesn't exactly bring a lot of immersion to the dialogue.

I think the feeling of grind is mostly due to the SW/JK being a fairly terrible class until the last few levels. I persevered, but still not sure it's worth it.

Never seen much repeated dialogue on the republic side though.

[Tyrehl]

Never seen much repeated dialogue on the republic side though.


:(

"There will be no survivors" - I've heard it on my sith inquisitor at least 10 times (im level 37). Btw for some reason I dont feel shit repetitive, TBH im really curious whats about to happen but im waiting for some friends that are 3-4 levels behind (we want to do the Foundry FP). I went to Hoth to get the red matrix shard (woo i have my relic cube now) and what the fuck, the planet is huge.

[helgur]

Never seen much repeated dialogue on the republic side though.


:(

"There will be no survivors"

Or the "There won't be a heart left beating"

[Isyel]

Never seen much repeated dialogue on the republic side though.


:(

"There will be no survivors" - I've heard it on my sith inquisitor at least 10 times (im level 37). Btw for some reason I dont feel shit repetitive, TBH im really curious whats about to happen but im waiting for some friends that are 3-4 levels behind (we want to do the Foundry FP). I went to Hoth to get the red matrix shard (woo i have my relic cube now) and what the fuck, the planet is huge.

That's what you get for playing the "lolimsocoolanddark" stupid side of the force. :P

[Space Panda]

"you're a few parts short of a droid", or something, is a very common statement for my BH.

[evil edna]

i havnt noticed any repeated dialog on my smugger yet at lvl 21

[Kilabi]

They will come. Not too much of the repetitive stuff in the general dialogue but when it comes to accept the quest itself. There are only so many ways you can say "Ok, I will do it.".

[Isyel]

They will come. Not too much of the repetitive stuff in the general dialogue but when it comes to accept the quest itself. There are only so many ways you can say "Ok, I will do it.".

I didn't have many problems with that and i went all the way to lvl 50...

[Aramendel]

I do notice it a fair bit with my IA. There will be no survivors, I could use a break from the hard jobs, etc. It is a bit irritating.

[Isyel]

Now that you mention it, it' been like that on my BH. Heard the same lines a lot of times by now.

Guess they went lazy on the empire side? :P

[evil edna]

theres only so much variety in being an angsty little cunt

[mira o'karr]

Whats the smuggler like storywise? Plan on getting this soon and the imperial agents story was awesome in beta, but might try a republic character when I buy it.

Very good i hear. Also has best companions clearly. :P



I was so pumped to get a Wookie sidekick as a scoundrel. I was Han Soloing all the dames. Then I began to notice something. At first I ignored it because -- you know -- Wookie. But slowly the feeling grew. Bowdaar sucks.

First he tanks like a wet paper towel. A gold enemy cuts through him in seconds, even with me chain healing him. Just get better gear, maybe?

... there is his combat style. Bowdaar fights like a 3-year old let loose on a box of chocolate popsicles. He makes a mess of everything. A charge here, a Wookie Toss there. Pretty soon you can't even find all the mobs you're fighting, or they've been thrown directly into an elite patrol which hastens the countdown toward Bowdaar's own inevitable demise.

The best part is when Bowdaar Tosses some weak mob directly into a Champion, then Charges into him and dies instantly for a sweet Bowdaar-death + massive-aggro-on-me combo.

I know I can turn off Wookie Toss. I can also turn off Bowdaar entirely.

The final straw was a vintage Bowdaaar Wookie Toss of the last quest mob I needed over the edge of a cliff. Thanks, pal. How about you start leveling my crafting. Me and Risha got some work to do.



i lol'ed when i read this as it was my experience exactly :D
he is an excellent crafter though :D

[Space Panda]

my trigger finger needs some exercise

[Rhaegor Stormborn]

How's the smuggler for endgame pve?

If people are talking about endgame already this game is worse than I thought.

[Sirial Soulfly]

Confirming Bowdaar sucks, especially as a healer scoundrel I rely on having at least 1 npc cc'd and Bowdaar just goes in and aoe aggros everything and then i am unable to keep him alive, went back to Corso.

[evil edna]

DONT TELL ME HE SUCKS IM LIKE 2 LEVELS AWAY FROM HIM, IVE EVEN SEEN HIM

FUUUU

[Isyel]

How's the smuggler for endgame pve?

If people are talking about endgame already this game is worse than I thought.

It's been out for a month almost, just wtf do you want... everyone having to have 1500 hours played to get to max level?

[Lilalaunebör]

Re: repeat dialogue

Sure it happens, but the way i handle it is i went goody-twoshoes with my jedi, now my trooper is choosing every piss off option i can find. Orphans in the sewers? Tough luck, the 1% want their Jacuzzis.

Makes for a reasonably entertaining second run, but the really funny thing is that you can insult people all you want as long as you dont hit the "decline mission" option. Bitch calls me a bleeding cunt? Oh well, id better ask her to fetch me my 10 cans of soda/ rescue my dog/ mercilessly slaughter a bunch of drug addicts!

[helgur]

DONT TELL ME HE SUCKS IM LIKE 2 LEVELS AWAY FROM HIM, IVE EVEN SEEN HIM

FUUUU

Shit, I was looking forward to getting a wookie sidekick myself.

Dammit

[I Legionnaire]

:awesome: Glad to see they haven't fixed the install clusterfuck since beta. Been trying to dl this shit since this morning, keep getting errors.

[Daco]

I have been running with Doctor Lokin and he is awesome, does a lot of damage in his transformed mode and is a decent healer as a human, loving it.

[Koll]

I'm levelling a sith corruption sorcerer currently at level 37 and almost dark IV. I've taken every dark side choice since I started this character regardless of what it says or what the outcome is and i'm starting to notice that the choices aren't actually making me look evil they're just making me look like a bit of a jerk. Like sleeping with some woman then laughing in her face and leaving the planet when she asks about our relationship. Or abandoning someone who was absolutely vital to the empire to die at the hands of a Jedi attack for no reason other than I was feeling lazy.

plus i've taken all the dark side options in recruiting my crew. my pilot is loyal to me despite the fact I shoked him half a dozen times and basically kidnapped him. The same with the former Jedi who i basically tortured and then simply informed that she was now Sith and she was coming with me. I have also enslaved and tortured my Dashade but he remains loyal to me and then there's the droid who is constantly grovelling. i feel like i'm on a ship full of Masochists.

I am really enjoying the game but have already cancelled my sub as I am getting the feeling that once I hit 50 with this i'll have pretty much completed it and done everything I want to do in this game. It doesn't feel like an MMO in the way Eve and WoW did and I just feel like i'm playing a solo game with the little bonus that I run into some other people every now and again. I'm also not interested in levelling multiple classes because whilst i'm sure they all have different class story chains this will only account for a fraction of the quests I will have to do with the character and I don't feel like repeating all the planets over again.

I also wanted to level as a healer in this from day one but the delay between telling my character to do something and him doing it coupled with all the fancy hand motions he insists on doing before every use of the force makes healing a real nightmare. I hit an instant cast force heal or static shield but it isn't instant at all because my guy feels like doing the macarena before he sets it up and suddenly the tank is dead.

All in all SWTOR is an excellent single player game with a handful of multiplayer events thrown in and once i've completed it it will be shelved with the rest of my games and one day i may pick it up reactivate my account and play the storyline through again. However MMO wise I expect to be back in WoW by march or I may possibly drop back into Eve for a month, but it depends if i'm feeling as masochistic as my SWTOR crew.

[Ohh_No]

level 50 sniper here

full tier 2 PvP gear

full tier 2 PvE gear

I get 6k crits in warzones

my class will be nerfed

[Steph]

I'm levelling a sith corruption sorcerer currently at level 37 and almost dark IV. I've taken every dark side choice since I started this character regardless of what it says or what the outcome is and i'm starting to notice that the choices aren't actually making me look evil they're just making me look like a bit of a jerk. Like sleeping with some woman then laughing in her face and leaving the planet when she asks about our relationship. Or abandoning someone who was absolutely vital to the empire to die at the hands of a Jedi attack for no reason other than I was feeling lazy.

This is the problem I've always had with Bioware's morality scales. The "darkside" or "evil" options aren't always dark/evil, they're usually just "be a jerk". They're not even consistently jerky either, they're always just "whatever option is the jerkiest thing to do if this conversation were occurring in a vacuum". Darkside to me is just as much manipulating people as it is killing indiscriminately and demanding money from bystanders. Bioware has never been able to write convincing darkside options.

KotOR2 was the only Star Wars game that ever presented the Dark Side character progression as anything other than a glorified thug - and, largely, because of Kreia's ever-present voice in your ear.

EDIT: Actually there is one example of Bioware getting the Moral Choice thing right, and that's Mass Effect. Of course in Mass Effect the choice isn't between Good and Evil; it's between Good Cop and Bad Cop. Either way, Shepard is still a good guy.

[FatFreddy]

...and the light side options were always "here take my money" "no i do not want to get payed for highly lethal mission #987161651" "no i totally understand all your whiny bitching here have some more money" ghandi stuff

nbs dealwithit etc.

[Steph]

nbs dealwithit etc.

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