The Old Republic (better than DayZ)

[Cerzi]

MMO-wise, well. Final nail in the idea of MASSIVELY; group size is down to 4, a new record. Everyone gets identikit AI companions to discourage grouping or filling a group to 4 (making most "groups" only actual consist of 2 real people). Not much more to be said. Demons Souls feels more like an MMO.

[Aramendel]

Do it as early as you get the quests. At the normal quest level it wasn't terribly difficult (however, neither was KOTOR 1 & 2), if you do *everything* as as result outlevel content by several levels it will be very easy.

If you do it at 2-3 levels below however it can be somewhat challenging. I did the (lvl 32) act 1 imperical agent "boss fight" as lvl 30 and had quite some issues. My gear went from 100% to 10% due all the deaths till I finally beat that SOB.

The basic matra of TOR if you want to keep content challenging is in the end "Do not do every quest". The game progress isn't designed that way.


"making most "groups" only actual consist of 2 real people"

Cannot confirm that AT ALL. Typically people always try to make a full group. Even for quests/areas which are designed for 2, like the Black Talon.

[lubica]

MMO-wise, well. Final nail in the idea of MASSIVELY; group size is down to 4, a new record. Everyone gets identikit AI companions to discourage grouping or filling a group to 4 (making most "groups" only actual consist of 2 real people). Not much more to be said. Demons Souls feels more like an MMO.

You would need to subcontract your vagina to Rio Tinto to get all that sand out tbh.

[Tyrehl]

Do it as early as you get the quests. At the normal quest level it wasn't terribly difficult (however, neither was KOTOR 1 & 2), if you do *everything* as as result outlevel content by several levels it will be very easy.

If you do it at 2-3 levels below however it can be somewhat challenging. I did the (lvl 32) act 1 imperical agent "boss fight" as lvl 30 and had quite some issues. My gear went from 100% to 10% due all the deaths till I finally beat that SOB.

The basic matra of TOR if you want to keep content challenging is in the end "Do not do every quest". The game progress isn't designed that way.


"making most "groups" only actual consist of 2 real people"

Cannot confirm that AT ALL. Typically people always try to make a full group. Even for quests/areas which are designed for 2, like the Black Talon.

Most of the time im playing with 2 friends so we are 3 + 1 companion in the group. Needless to say, we rape everything and when im not leveling in a group with them I rape everything as well (because of overleveling issues).
Overleveling - I just finished Balmorra at level 24. Derp. There are tons of quests I havent done but /o\ dear god ... And one of us is kinda a completionist. I also like discovering all areas and filling some codex entries but he was looking for all the lore objects on Dromund Kaas. after we finished with the quests on the planet. :(

On the other hand, Im having alot of fun with my IA Operative. I just accepted my last class quest on Dromund Kaas on level 14, the quest is for level 16. Predicting goodfights~ :companioncube: im also trying to do most of the content without a companion but i still die too easily. Especially on elite NPC's hurr >.<

[Cerzi]

Ha, long ass boring train journey made it extra itchy down there.

[Itiken]

My guild and Party chat channels have dissapeared - any ideas of a fix ?

also having fun and abusing the fuck out of slicing where and when i can before it gets nerfed, if it's going to get nerfed.

[Marlona Sky]

I wonder if CCP is a little emo to the fact that SWTOR had over three times the amount of subscribers in two days, than it took CCP to get in eight years.

[Ruri]

I wonder if CCP is a little emo to the fact that SWTOR had over three times the amount of subscribers in two days, than it took CCP to get in eight years.

If they are they're retarded, everyone's known that Star Wars name itself would be enough to buy it more subs than Eve will ever have.

[Malaes]

I wonder if CCP is a little emo to the fact that SWTOR had over three times the amount of subscribers in two days, than it took CCP to get in eight years.

If they are they're retarded

You know your talking about :ccp: right

[Stormscion]

minecraft is bigger game then eve ;P

[sand]

If you haven't, read the post in the main forums about "slicing profits and you". Can't link from my phone but it lines out which missions make the most money. It is *not* the final ones and makes a significant monetary difference.

You can roughly make 120+ credits per minute per companion...

[Chrien]

My guild and Party chat channels have dissapeared - any ideas of a fix ?

also having fun and abusing the fuck out of slicing where and when i can before it gets nerfed, if it's going to get nerfed.

I had this chat problem, only fix I found was to alt+f4 and rejoin. Its very very annoying.

[Ruri]

I'm worried that they'll nerf it before I get back to my computer in time to exploit the shit out of that. Running Artifice/Arch/Treasure on my main and since those missions have started draining my bank I thought a slicing alt would ease the pain.

I must say though that discovery via reverse engineering has yielded several good mods. I've kept my set of social point orange armor upgraded into my 20's, and it's allowed stat stacking to where I have about twice as much Endurance as any normal drops or rewards would get me at this point. I look forward to the economy for these things developing :)

[Marlona Sky]

I joined a PvP server. Only was able to play for an hour or so before I needed to get some sleep last night. My question is; how is the PvP?

[noobcake]

I joined a PvP server. Only was able to play for an hour or so before I needed to get some sleep last night. My question is; how is the PvP?

it's not so bad....the battlefield pvp is good for whoring XP, but I've noticed that the games are full of whores not playing for the won but for most kills/damage.

Planet-based pvp is tons of fun, especially nailing unsuspecting mission faggots

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[sand]

Best thing Kaliyo has said yet? After banging a jedi chick she added: "You know, just because she's a jedi doesn't mean you won't catch something"

[Fitzy]

Best thing Kaliyo has said yet? After banging a jedi chick she added: "You know, just because she's a jedi doesn't mean you won't catch something"

ohsnap.jpg

[mira o'karr]

My guild and Party chat channels have dissapeared - any ideas of a fix ?

also having fun and abusing the fuck out of slicing where and when i can before it gets nerfed, if it's going to get nerfed.

I had this chat problem, only fix I found was to alt+f4 and rejoin. Its very very annoying.

have zou tried ctrl+u > ctrl+u ?

it seems to reload the UI. fixed an issue for me where i couldnt click any UI elements any more.

[Skeptic]

Lots of people I play with still orping on about how awesome slicing is, I will enjoy my free reuseable adrenals and boosters, practically free epic implants and can easily sell what I dont use for a slight profit off the support skills anyway. I am now on my second character at around 35 (first was 38 before server reroll) and am yet to find a single item, skill or schematic I could not afford to buy immediately anywhere without it. Slicing is amazing for hording lots of credits you dont actually ever need or am I missing some massive gain from having it?

[Kaianna]

Lots of people I play with still orping on about how awesome slicing is, I will enjoy my free reuseable adrenals and boosters, practically free epic implants and can easily sell what I dont use for a slight profit off the support skills anyway. I am now on my second character at around 35 (first was 38 before server reroll) and am yet to find a single item, skill or schematic I could not afford to buy immediately anywhere without it. Slicing is amazing for hording lots of credits you dont actually ever need or am I missing some massive gain from having it?


Nope, you pretty much summed it up tbh.

[lubica]

Lots of people I play with still orping on about how awesome slicing is, I will enjoy my free reuseable adrenals and boosters, practically free epic implants and can easily sell what I dont use for a slight profit off the support skills anyway. I am now on my second character at around 35 (first was 38 before server reroll) and am yet to find a single item, skill or schematic I could not afford to buy immediately anywhere without it. Slicing is amazing for hording lots of credits you dont actually ever need or am I missing some massive gain from having it?


Nope, you pretty much summed it up tbh.

If there was no slicing, nobody could afford anything, up to and including buying a new ability at levelup. Ok, maybe not that bad, but dear god, I've loaned creds to 3 people who've hit 25 before me, like 30k each time, but when I dinged 25 it cost me less than half of my total creds :)

Also, if you get an epic slicing missions for 300+ skill, people will pay sick moneys for it.

[Skeptic]

They are just plain doing it wrong, I dont even ever really look at my wallet. And so what your saying is you need slicing to get epic pattern but you need slicing to afford to buy your epic patterns? wut. Those missions incidently reward double abundant yields of mats, nothing more, so I wouldnt hld a hope of getting very much credit for them in the long run.

[Itiken]

i'm plannign to get to 150The issue for me is - the crafting skills haven't yet settled down into "What's best for who", so in the mean time, i'm spamming slicing to build up a couple of hundred K of money which may, or may not, become handy in teh future, get speeders, etc etc etc.

[Aramendel]

Lots of people I play with still orping on about how awesome slicing is, I will enjoy my free reuseable adrenals and boosters, practically free epic implants and can easily sell what I dont use for a slight profit off the support skills anyway. I am now on my second character at around 35 (first was 38 before server reroll) and am yet to find a single item, skill or schematic I could not afford to buy immediately anywhere without it. Slicing is amazing for hording lots of credits you dont actually ever need or am I missing some massive gain from having it?

You have to be a bit more careful with credits without it.

With the simple effort of spending 2-3 hours on an alt who gets (among others) diplomacy I can have slicing on my main char while not missing any items from diplomacy except the ight/dark side bonus. The mission skill items you only need relatively rarely, so their skill are pefectly suited to be outsourced on an alt. While on your main you can spam companions you do not need in slicing missions all the time.

[Mavolio]

What is the advantage to getting cyber tech or other crafting professions? As if i get slicing i'll be rich while all the noobs craft stuff for me to buy or i can get crafting and be too poor to buy all i want off the AH. Here are 3 high end schematics for an example

http://www.torhead.com/schematic/8Ctf3xi (BoE)
http://www.torhead.com/schematic/an5LHUd (BoP)
http://www.torhead.com/schematic/dl99zNt (BoE)

The middle BoP is very slightly better than one of the schematics but then a fair amount worse than the other one. Both the best BoP and BoE items require a BoP item from flashpoints so unless the one you can only craft for your self (the BoP one) is some how a lot cheaper to craft why would i pick that profession if one of your friends already has it?

What i'm trying to get at is in some other mmo's when you max out a profession you can either get special crafts for your self that are either the best or just as good for a lot cheaper. But that doens't appear to happen here.

[sand]

Cybertech gets you a few things....

-Reusable BoP unique grenades. If you're into pvp, it's pretty much like engineering from WoW and very nice to have.
-Custom hoverbikes, again unique to Cybertech
-You can make a lot of mods
-Droid armor
-Starship upgrades
-Implants

I still haven't figured out if you can re-engineer the implants and droid armor for epic ones but I know you can for the mods. You also have to realize, the argument against BoE and BoP - you can deck out other characters. Having a full set of custom orange gear and epic mods ready every 5 levels is about as good as twinking as you're going to get.

And regarding slicing, not sure what you're doing, but there's no way I could afford my habits without it. 50k for the two pets, buying ingredients to get up cybertech (no scavenging), all those customizations and other goodies. I can buy anything and still sitting on 200k. I want those 3 hoverbikes too that are 1.5 mil each....(VIP store, secure key store, and dark side store). Explain how you're going to get 4.5mil? :)

[Wrack]

Colicoid war game best war game.

Seriously, don't skip this flashpoint. Pew pew.

[Mavolio]

-Custom hoverbikes, again unique to Cybertech

http://www.torhead.com/item/g1rIFY1 I assume you mean this one for example which:-


This Schematic is found from: Slicing 49-50 Missions.

If that is a rare pattern only people with slicing will be able to afford it. Of well looks like every one and their mother is going to get slicing on all their alts and be super rich resulting in game show numbers on the AH where they might as well divide every thing by 10,000 because its the smallest unit of currency people will bother about.

[sand]

Epic patterns are pretty common ironically. I've got 3 of those schematics already and they sell for about 4-5k on the market. There's also speeder schematics for 90% and 100%.

Getting the pattern is easy - but you need to be a cybertech to build and use it since it's BoP.

[Aramendel]

Cybertech gets you a few things....

-Reusable BoP unique grenades. If you're into pvp, it's pretty much like engineering from WoW and very nice to have.
-Custom hoverbikes, again unique to Cybertech
-You can make a lot of mods
-Droid armor
-Starship upgrades
-Implants

I still haven't figured out if you can re-engineer the implants and droid armor for epic ones but I know you can for the mods. You also have to realize, the argument against BoE and BoP - you can deck out other characters. Having a full set of custom orange gear and epic mods ready every 5 levels is about as good as twinking as you're going to get.

Cyber cannot make implants but earpieces. Biochem makes implants. And yes, you can re-eng the earpieces for epic ones, did that myself two times. Need to re-eng the greens to blue first and then the blues to epics, of course. It might not work with those whose schematics get dropped, though, I only did it with those from the trainer.

I doubt you can re-eng the ship upgrades. Droid armor maaaaaybe, but I would not bet on it.

My main has Cyber too, but I am kinda tempted to drop it at 50 due to several reasons:

- Droid Armor, Starship armor, etc isn't BoP. So you can just make it for your chars and then you are done. Or just buy it.
- Mods from the "difficulty" flashpoints at 50 are better than anything you can make with Cyber.
- Once you have the unique Cyber mounts trained (which do not look too spectacular) I do not see any "needs Cyber" requirement on them. So I think it is likely that you can drop Cyber and still use them.

In the end the only real benefit you retain from Cyber at 50 are the grenades. However from what I've read there is already a lotof CC in PvP resulting in people getting immune rather quickly. So their use in PvP is likely somewhat limited.
Biochem on the other hand has resueable buff poitions. Especially reuseable 15 second buffs/3 min cooldown ones. You could in theory buy those, but even with slicing I doubt those will be something you have any hope im emulating by buying the consumeable version often enough.

The tl'dr in the end is that Cyber is nice for 1-50 because you can make the majority of your mods yourself and can make better ship stuff and the bikes, but once at 50 there is no real benefit in keeping it IMO.

[Intigo]

I wonder if CCP is a little emo to the fact that SWTOR had over three times the amount of subscribers in two days, than it took CCP to get in eight years.

You are so fucking stupid.

[Ishanda]

It's ok, EA are known for providing support for their games for many years after release

OHWAIT

[Kaianna]

If there was no slicing, nobody could afford anything, up to and including buying a new ability at levelup. Ok, maybe not that bad, but dear god, I've loaned creds to 3 people who've hit 25 before me, like 30k each time, but when I dinged 25 it cost me less than half of my total creds :)

Also, if you get an epic slicing missions for 300+ skill, people will pay sick moneys for it.


Holy shit you play with terribad people.

My first character at level 5 had 50K ish, with scavenging, armstech and underworld trading, not a single bit of slicing to be seen.
AND my armstech was at nearly 200.

Do they just run around buying useless shite all the time?

[Daco]

Myself and Loganbacca have been playing through the BH/Agent story together, I am playing as an agent and can make weapons he is the BH and can make armor so we're pretty self sufficient making our own equipment and that it is good.

[FatFreddy]

it's guy love between two guys

[Daco]

it's guy love between two guys

Well it would be a bit weird being my brother and all you know.

[noobcake]

Not in Kentucky it wouldn't


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[Daco]

Not in Kentucky it wouldn't


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:derper:

[Kilabi]

If there was no slicing, nobody could afford anything, up to and including buying a new ability at levelup. Ok, maybe not that bad, but dear god, I've loaned creds to 3 people who've hit 25 before me, like 30k each time, but when I dinged 25 it cost me less than half of my total creds :)

Also, if you get an epic slicing missions for 300+ skill, people will pay sick moneys for it.


Holy shit you play with terribad people.

My first character at level 5 had 50K ish, with scavenging, armstech and underworld trading, not a single bit of slicing to be seen.
AND my armstech was at nearly 200.

Do they just run around buying useless shite all the time?

How did you even craft on that level?

[Kaianna]

If there was no slicing, nobody could afford anything, up to and including buying a new ability at levelup. Ok, maybe not that bad, but dear god, I've loaned creds to 3 people who've hit 25 before me, like 30k each time, but when I dinged 25 it cost me less than half of my total creds :)

Also, if you get an epic slicing missions for 300+ skill, people will pay sick moneys for it.


Holy shit you play with terribad people.

My first character at level 5 had 50K ish, with scavenging, armstech and underworld trading, not a single bit of slicing to be seen.
AND my armstech was at nearly 200.

Do they just run around buying useless shite all the time?

How did you even craft on that level?


Not sure what you mean. I got it there by grinding blue and purple recipes for everything of my level. Scavenging in the world took care of the bulk metals, and I spammed Underworld Trading for the extra bits (plus some flux every now and then).
I found the stuff I could make "at level" was waaay better than mission rewards, as long as I took the time to reverse engineer it.

[Malaes]

Myself and Loganbacca have been playing through the BH/Agent story together, I am playing as an agent and can make weapons he is the BH and can make armor so we're pretty self sufficient making our own equipment and that it is good.

How do the weapons compare to barrels/mods you can buy from tokens?

[Daco]

Myself and Loganbacca have been playing through the BH/Agent story together, I am playing as an agent and can make weapons he is the BH and can make armor so we're pretty self sufficient making our own equipment and that it is good.

How do the weapons compare to barrels/mods you can buy from tokens?

I was using a weapon that I could upgrade but it was just a pain having to buy 3/4 different things each time when I could just make a rifle that was pretty close to/sometimes better then the rifle I could upgrade. A lot less hassle.

[Aramendel]

Not sure what you mean. I got it there by grinding blue and purple recipes for everything of my level. Scavenging in the world took care of the bulk metals, and I spammed Underworld Trading for the extra bits (plus some flux every now and then).
I found the stuff I could make "at level" was waaay better than mission rewards, as long as I took the time to reverse engineer it.

The thing is that at level 5 you cannot even craft anything since you need a companion for that. And the earliest you find real scavanging materials is at lvl 10 in dormund kaas/coruscant.

So I find your "50k at lvl 5" claim reeeally doubtful.

[mira o'karr]

Not sure what you mean. I got it there by grinding blue and purple recipes for everything of my level. Scavenging in the world took care of the bulk metals, and I spammed Underworld Trading for the extra bits (plus some flux every now and then).
I found the stuff I could make "at level" was waaay better than mission rewards, as long as I took the time to reverse engineer it.

The thing is that at level 5 you cannot even craft anything since you need a companion for that. And the earliest you find real scavanging materials is at lvl 10 in dormund kaas/coruscant.

So I find your "50k at lvl 5" claim reeeally doubtful.

never let facts get in the way of a good story :D

[Kilabi]

Not sure what you mean. I got it there by grinding blue and purple recipes for everything of my level. Scavenging in the world took care of the bulk metals, and I spammed Underworld Trading for the extra bits (plus some flux every now and then).
I found the stuff I could make "at level" was waaay better than mission rewards, as long as I took the time to reverse engineer it.

The thing is that at level 5 you cannot even craft anything since you need a companion for that. And the earliest you find real scavanging materials is at lvl 10 in dormund kaas/coruscant.

So I find your "50k at lvl 5" claim reeeally doubtful.

never let facts get in the way of a good story :D

I believe it as I had cybertech to 399 before even leaving the first cantina.

[Kaianna]

Not sure what you mean. I got it there by grinding blue and purple recipes for everything of my level. Scavenging in the world took care of the bulk metals, and I spammed Underworld Trading for the extra bits (plus some flux every now and then).
I found the stuff I could make "at level" was waaay better than mission rewards, as long as I took the time to reverse engineer it.

The thing is that at level 5 you cannot even craft anything since you need a companion for that. And the earliest you find real scavanging materials is at lvl 10 in dormund kaas/coruscant.

So I find your "50k at lvl 5" claim reeeally doubtful.

Ahhhhh, makes sense.

Typo, level 25, not 5! (Obviously, since as you say, not actually possible...).
I did wonder about that question...I was thinking "Well, I sue my companions, obviously....". Duh.

[Isyel]

Had over 100k at that level tho... :P

[Wrack]

Slicing update: I am now a millionaire.

Crafting, it turns out, is pointless at level 50. Even if you grind the hilarious amounts of materials to RE the level 49 greens and get the RNG to spit out the correct 1 of 3 blues and then the correct 1 of 5 purples, it's worse than what you can get from a few daily quests worth of tokens. You also get schematics to produce some level 50 purples that require mat drops from raids. You can use these schematics to produce gear far worse than drops in the aforementioned raids
:psyduck:

Possible exception is biochem, because I think there's no alternative to the reusable stims/adrenals.

[Kilabi]

I feared it would be like that from the beginning. Mostly been like that in MMOs and I am already thinking about dropping all crafting for slicing, treasure hunting and some random gathering skill.

Don´t think they can fix this so I will just abuse slicing as long as I can and then pick up biochem.

[Aramendel]

Don´t think they can fix this so I will just abuse slicing as long as I can and then pick up biochem.

That is pretty much my plan too, although I will use Cyber till 50 for the mounts and then switch to bio.

[Kilabi]

I have the first cyber mount. Does not even look that good and if you count in the money you need to level up you won´t save money crafting those. And with them being BoP I don´t see a reason to keep them.
I have cyber on an alt anyway just to pimp any further alts while leveling.

[Aramendel]

The first one does not look that good. The 2nd and 3rd are okay though. And the item is BOP, however I see no skill requirement on the mount skill it gives you, so it is likely you can keep it even after removing the cyber skill.

Also, cyber is nice to make mods while leveing, as you said yourself. I do not really need reuseable pots till 50, so I might just as well keep cyber till then.

[sand]

Isn't the only real purpose of crafting armor is to get that extra augment slot out of prototypes so you have 4 slots in each armor piece?

Wouldn't that beat the daily gear having an augment?

[Alistair]

I am already so lol'ingly behind. Trooper to 13, Sith Wizard with Cape to 10.

Too many games to play, can't be assed to be a hardcore MMO'er like I was in WoW years ago, so leveling is just slow.

[Daco]

I just spent 5 hours trying to get some flexiglass from grade 2 investigation missions :facepalm:

[Daco]

Another DT :(

[Jags]

6 hour DT in the middle of a holiday period , quality work tbh.

[Hels]

Aus/NZ tz getting fucked with this DT

[lubica]

goddammit I'm 5k XP from lvl32 and finally catching that damn padawan (Juggernaut class quest - which by the way fucking rocks, holy shit the pure evil)

[Daco]

Aus/NZ tz getting fucked with this DT

Not so much NZ it went down at 11pm so that isn't too bad. Stops me playing until 2 in the morning.

[Trindermon]

I am currently 25 and in nar shadar, (spelling), i have come to the conclusion that the game is a running simulator, with occasionaly convo's and shooting.

[Sandzibar]

ffs DT.. halfway through 49.. was gonna finish my trooper this morning and then start the grind for champ/centurian pvp gear :/

[lubica]

I am currently 25 and in nar shadar, (spelling), i have come to the conclusion that the game is a running simulator, with occasionaly convo's and shooting.

You know you can do quests in a group, it's fun and fast. Also, get the fuck off Nar Shadaa, it's the worst zone yet, go to Tatooine (it's lvl 24-28), much nicer, more fun and there be Jedis.

[Fitzy]

Aus/NZ tz getting fucked with this DT

Not so much NZ it went down at 11pm so that isn't too bad. Stops me playing until 2 in the morning.

Butt fucked in WA, it's like 7 pm to midnight :sadface:

[Skeptic]

I am currently 25 and in nar shadar, (spelling), i have come to the conclusion that the game is a running simulator, with occasionaly convo's and shooting.

25.

Mount.

No more running.

[Malaes]

I am currently 25 and in nar shadar, (spelling), i have come to the conclusion that the game is a running simulator, with occasionaly convo's and shooting.

25.

Mount.

No more running.

Nop, but the zones get 60% bigger so you still spend all your time travelling :D

Tbh I quite like the zones being large. Yes its annoying to run around a lot, but does make them feel like actual planets, not just a small zone.

[mitthrawn]

stupid downtime... i wanna play ffs.

also i dislike the sith curruption on my red/black twi'lek assassine (why does my red color turns into something pink'ish?) and no robes is a bit of a let down as well. but at least i have a orange lightsaber ^_^

[Aramendel]

You can turn off sith corruption in the options.

[mitthrawn]

I know... but I kinda like the eyes.

[Aramendel]

And we have the first nerf: Slicing.

[mitthrawn]

thank god i'm already rich

[Malaes]

And we have the first nerf: Slicing.

What did they change?

[mitthrawn]

Slicing Rewards from Slicing have been reduced to bring them into balance with other skills.


full change log here : http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes/1.0.1/12272011

[Sandzibar]

thank god i'm already rich

how rich is rich?. cos i was lolpoor at 42 (like 4k) after buying shit i didnt really need and getting all the lvl 5 shit for my spaceship, and now after just doing quests im up to 600k again.

i know that slicing was lol amazing for cash (i had bioanal biochem and diplo which all just seem to suck money out, not provide any). I was just curious as to how amazing it is/was.

[Aramendel]

Generally you could get about 100-120 credits per minute per companion on average if you picked the right missions. So with 3 companions doing slicing that would be about 20k/hour. More if you get a lot of criticals.

[Itiken]

And we have the first nerf: Slicing.

What did they change?

Allegedly they have reduced the number of Rich / Bountiful missions so it's still going to provide cash, but not be a Cred Faucet like before.
Levellign Artificing / Treasurehunting / Archeology eats money like no tomorrow.

[Aramendel]

Treasure Hunting isn't too bad, I did it with only lockboxes and the odd blue item which is sellable makes it profitable. It's no money printer like Slicing, but it is at least credit-neutral to slightly profitable.

[Space Panda]

nooo not my slicing! i didn't have enough time!

[Sandzibar]

wheres my fucking server yo :/

[HyJek]

we should get an update in about 10 mins...

[Mavolio]

http://twitter.com/swtor


wheres my fucking server yo :/


#SWTOR servers are still in maintenance with no ETA. We will give you another update by 12pm CST. Thank you for your patience.

[DevilDude]

of course they decide to pull this when I'm 24 hour's on call so I have to sit at my computer all goddamn day and can't leave...

[Sandzibar]

yay im in. rage subsiding

[Nottheface]

Anyone hear if there are any imminent plans to make the GTN any less shit? It's making me rage to the point of wanting to not keep subbed (sad I know).

[sand]

Ya slicing got hit with the hammer pretty hard.....for those inclined, here's the spreadsheet thus far. There is a tab for "glory days" if ya want to see the comparison. You'll notice that most missions have a negative profit now.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0ArCSGLnwZLADdGxYdlhEejBFclBjR3l1N29OaW1kY UE&output=html

[Itiken]

While not rage inducing - i'm intrigued by the server queus and population limits.
THEMAN has said they will increase caps, while i presume, they bed in the hardware & give the network code a better work out, but our server seems to be one of the worst for queues, yet there is only 50-100 people in the 4 starter zones, and a 30 minute queue.

derp

[Itiken]

while queuing - amuse yoruself with "WTF SLICING NErF I QUIT" threads on the forums.
the young forum warriors are terrible.

[jbend9620]

while queuing - amuse yoruself with "WTF SLICING NErF I QUIT" threads on the forums.
the young forum warriors are terrible.

this is why you're supposed to fucking abuse broken shit in moderation.

[Malaes]

Think they up the server caps when it gets really busy? My queue just went from 650 down to 30.

[Aramendel]

I think they simply had artificially low limits for a bit so not 1 zillion people log on the server at once and kill it.

[Jags]

Queues are a joke. My server was 900+ within minutes of going online tonight. Then dropped to 140 then back to 300.

Took 30 mins and got on, server performance was shit was getting 300+ latency, gave up and played eve :D

[Tyrehl]

Slicing nerf yay, while expected i think that bioware overdid themselves. I was doing a C5 rich lockbox mission.
Mission cost: 2025 credits; Reward: Green lockbox with 1715 credits.

:psyduck:

[Alistair]

Stuttering gameplay is stuttering fail.

About 10 min into any session, I get both graphical and sound stutter. And I do not have a shit rig, so no idea what the problem could be.

[Itiken]

while queuing - amuse yoruself with "WTF SLICING NErF I QUIT" threads on the forums.
the young forum warriors are terrible.

this is why you're supposed to fucking abuse broken shit in moderation.

wat is this moderation of which you speak O.o

[EntroX]

so glad i sold my beta key and never looked back :3

[Space Panda]

really enjoying playing a mercenary, and i've been smashing through the story with a buddy of mine who is also a merc. the pvp is getting more fun as i level up, and being a BH in warzones is hilarious with all the AOE spam one can dish out.

still sad slicing got the nerf, but i'm sure it's for the best in the long term. i am going to stick with it i think. hell, they'll probably bring it back to near its former glory due to the forum rage.

[Alistair]

Any U.S. Server Guilds about?

[sand]

Any U.S. Server Guilds about?

Yup, we're on Saber of Exar Kun. Imperial side. Bug me ingame - sanddemon

[Wrack]

The slicing nerf is such beautifully bad management. Now that we slicers have a ton of cash, the floodgates are closed so nobody else can also get cash and make our cash worth less.


Isn't the only real purpose of crafting armor is to get that extra augment slot out of prototypes so you have 4 slots in each armor piece?

Wouldn't that beat the daily gear having an augment?

Sure, but then you're doing one of two things:

A. Reverse engineering level 49 BoE greens to epics (fuck off artifacts, they're called epics), then making 10 of those epics and hopefully getting a crit one with an augment slot. You now have 9 bad BoE epics and 1 good BoE epic which you spent literally millions of credits worth of materials to make. But it's BoE, so this isn't actually an advantage to the crafter, it's just an advantage to stupidly rich people.

B. Hoping to crit the level 50 epics created from raid-drop mats. This means you need a ton of the raid-mats, so that you can keep trying, and disposing of failed BoP epics. Good luck selling that idea to your raid partners.

Btw, it's not possible to craft orange moddable items with 4 slots. They never crit. If they did, they'd be BoE ofc, and therefore mandatory for all raiders to wear in every slot.

[lubica]

Btw, it's not possible to craft orange moddable items with 4 slots. They never crit. If they did, they'd be BoE ofc, and therefore mandatory for all raiders to wear in every slot.
Welp, fuck synthweaving then

[Bared]

I might quit because of persistent bugs:

Invisible Enemies
Pink Enemies
Conversation Options Not Appearing
Black Screen of Death*

In beta, I had no problems, none at all. Now, I have tons of problems. Seems everyday there is more, and every BSoD is a hard restart I really don't want to inflict on my computer. All drivers and DX are up to date.

Admittedly, I am using an ASUS made Radeon HD4350 (old I know), and Windows XP. Anyone got an idea to make the hurting stop?

*If I play the game in windowed mode, BSOD becomes game crash...

[sand]

I might quit because of persistent bugs:

Invisible Enemies
Pink Enemies
Conversation Options Not Appearing
Black Screen of Death*

In beta, I had no problems, none at all. Now, I have tons of problems. Seems everyday there is more, and every BSoD is a hard restart I really don't want to inflict on my computer. All drivers and DX are up to date.

Admittedly, I am using an ASUS made Radeon HD4350 (old I know), and Windows XP. Anyone got an idea to make the hurting stop?

*If I play the game in windowed mode, BSOD becomes game crash...

Have a less fail machine? I haven't had a single issue of what you listed. Could always try running the repair or reinstalling.

[Daco]

Stuffs

Have a less fail machine? I haven't had a single issue of what you listed. Could always try running the repair or reinstalling.

Yeah pretty much what sand said, had np at all.

Also finally made it too Tatooine \o/

[Itiken]

No problems with the game, no problems with the slicing nerf crew checking in.
I'm still running jobs on my old main, now my alt. You are not raking in crazy money any more, but if youa re careful to only do Rich or Cheap Abundant jobs at either lvl5 or 6, then there's still a good 200-1k credits to be made, with only the occasional negative (1 out of 11 so far).

But.

I've put my sorc on hold at lvl25 as it seems there are far too many healing classes about, admittedly most of them are deeply retarded, and no-where near enough Tank specced Tanks. Luckily i like tanking, and the Sith Juggernaught combined with Vette as a pimped up dps machine works wonders, especially combined with artificing keeping my gear at least top grade blued.

It's really not worth learning every artificing pattern though yet.

I am seeing over the last few days the market has picked up. I suspect this is a knock on from the Slicing nerf as players now do sell greens / blues that drop rather than vendoring them as "durr i have infinite cash".

Our guild is recruiting EU side too if anyone cares. We have 5-10 on-line each session on average, from late teens to early 40's on a EU-Rp server.

[lubica]

Jugg is fun, once you finish on Balmorra you get your own personal healer, after that there is no more downtime for you, ever, unless you took on an elite and a pack of regular mobs with a strong in there. I've (with effort) cleared heroic 2+ quests, like the spaceport one on nar shadaa solo. Also, sometimes you can really pull off movie-like stuff, once you get to lvl27-ish. PvP is another matter tho, 1v1 you will have a tough time to kill anyone in a reasonable time-frame, but on the other hand you're freaking hard to kill, so you can take some time. Warzones... well, avoid crowds, unless you really like getting chain CCd and reduced from 100 to 0% with only 1 CC breaker -.- On the otherhand, as full tank spec you have a fair amount of CC yourself, so you can make life really hard for someone in Huttball :)

[sand]

Anyone want to explain to me why anyone would ever do a companion gift mission?

If you buy level 2 gifts at the vendor, it seems to be 600 credits for 60 affection. So roughly 100k to max out a companion (which btw drops 8% off your mission times).

But if you do a companion mission, it's 1-2k + 30minutes and you'll get a random gift that you'll likely not need that's not worth that much more. Even purples were like what, 240? That's 2400 credits worth and usually the mission is 30min and only happens on a crit.

So again, why would anyone do those missions and not just vendor for affection?

[lubica]

blue gifts give 110 affection

[sand]

blue gifts give 110 affection

But they take 30min, 2k, and you get a random type.....or am I missing something? Also remember, for 1.8k you can buy 3 level 2 gifts from a vendor for 180 affection...

[Wrack]

Anyone want to explain to me why anyone would ever do a companion gift mission?

To level underworld trading faster (companion gifts take half as long as metals/fabrics) when you don't care about the money because you just dropped slicing with 2mil in the bank.

Also, low level companion gifts have diminishing returns once your companions affection gets high, so to max one out, you need rank 4-6 gifts eventually, which only come from UWT. Or take them on a shitton of quests, ofc.

[sand]

Anyone been doing high end pvp yet? Hit level 40, got the set, but wondering now what to spend commendations on. I know of the blue 50 set in Dromand Kas but some people are saying the artifact pvp upgrades aren't in game yet....so then how do you get the epic gear in the fleet?

edit: looks like the only option is to buy the bags and pray ya get something ;)

[Wrack]

Well, I think I'm about ready to unsubscribe and wait to see if they fix any of the real problems with this game:

- The battle for Ilum is just absofucking retarded
- In warzones, you have to mash an ability 8 times to get it to activate, even a non-GCD ability
- Several abilities that are supposed to be "mirrored" across factions deal their damage much faster for the empire because the animations are different (eg. death from above, some types of force lightning)
- About 6 datacrons are bugged and unobtainable, meaning some classes can't make their level 50 relics
- Crafted equipment is absolutely worthless at level 50. As a result, biochem is the only useful crew skill.
- The UI rivals EVE's in badness.

Only thing I haven't tried yet is flashpoints at 50, but I'm not super excited about the daily quest gear grind needed to not get kicked from a group upon inspect.

[shaewyn]

I've been having a great time with this game. Playing a Jedi Shadow and I'm really quite enjoying the story. It's actually drawn me in way more than I expected - makes me want to go back and play other classes to get their stories. I'm almost level 40 now, and the class abilities are really starting to click - one ability chains into another, with the end result being me becoming a whirling, rock throwing, spin-kicking badass. Took a while, but the combat is way more satisfying than WoW's. I'm tank-specced, and haven't had problems tanking (once I got the important tank abilities...)

Have had only one problems/bug: Giant green texture bugs (apparently a lot of people have them - might be an ati driver issue). Nothing else. At all. By far, this is the smoothest MMO Launch I've ever seen. Server queues seem to have been fixed, I've now only got max a 5 minute wait.



Well, I think I'm about ready to unsubscribe and wait to see if they fix any of the real problems with this game:

- The battle for Ilum is just absofucking retarded
- In warzones, you have to mash an ability 8 times to get it to activate, even a non-GCD ability
- Several abilities that are supposed to be "mirrored" across factions deal their damage much faster for the empire because the animations are different (eg. death from above, some types of force lightning)
- About 6 datacrons are bugged and unobtainable, meaning some classes can't make their level 50 relics
- Crafted equipment is absolutely worthless at level 50. As a result, biochem is the only useful crew skill.
- The UI rivals EVE's in badness.

Only thing I haven't tried yet is flashpoints at 50, but I'm not super excited about the daily quest gear grind needed to not get kicked from a group upon inspect.

Yeah, see, I really can't agree with most of these. Class/Faction balance problems is really the name of the game in MMO PvP... I've not seen any bugged datacrons, I've gotten all of them (except for the level 40-50 planets). Crafted equipment is quite valuable while leveling - I go into flashpoints with easily 1k+ hitpoints on someone geared without crafting. I will say I'm kinda disappointed that it doesn't appear to be useful at 50, but I'll see when I get there.

As for the UI: I really like it. It's almost identical to the custom UI I created in WoW. I would only like two extra things: The ability to filter/emphasize certain buffs and debuffs, and the ability to see your target's target. My healer buddies say they've turned on the option to always use the operations frames and that makes life easier for them.

[Sparq]

- The battle for Ilum is just absofucking retardedAssuming this is a PvP thing you queue for, I wouldn't know. For several days now, all I've had pop on Daragon Trail is Hutt Ball.

So much Hutt Ball.

Too much Hutt ball.


- In warzones, you have to mash an ability 8 times to get it to activate, even a non-GCD abilityPvP instances, sometimes it's good. Other times - most times - I want to claw my eyes out in fury.

I've just about given up on my Imperial Agent/Sniper for PvP when 1/2 the time my 1.5/2 second abilities take up to 5 seconds to finally register a key press. Especially infuriating when the battle has moved out of range by the time I've finally setup.

I'm having slightly more success playing as a Bounty Hunter/Powertec - but only slightly. What really bugs me about it is that some games are fine, others are a total cake-and-arse party. AFAIK it isn't my machine and my connection is otherwise stable, so IDK.


- Several abilities that are supposed to be "mirrored" across factions deal their damage much faster for the empire because the animations are different (eg. death from above, some types of force lightning)If you see DfA coming, it isn't so hard to get out of it. DfA isn't the one I'd complain about, I believe there is some particular combo of a flame power and railshot that lets my friend top damage most games, but IDK his exact build and it's a bit of a one-trick pony from what he has said.

But anyone who tells you that Sith Force Lightning is balanced is either lying or on drugs. That thing is absolute bullshit. I'm not surprised I haven't seen any Jedi in PvP yet... they probably all logged off in fear/disgust. If you're up against a Sorc-heavy pre-made you might as well quit. Seriously, fuck that power/class.

I don't want to see it nerfed, I want to see it bombed from orbit.



Talking of Crowd Control powers, is it true that as more CC gets used on you that the little bar near your portrait fills up, and once it fills up totally, CC has no more effect on you? It'd be nice to live that long to see it get full...

EDIT: the break-free power needs to give you a brief period of immunity to CC, not just slip you free from one effect only for you to get instantly whacked by the next half-dozen incoming. Honestly if they did that I could almost live with the forced-sexual-encounter lightning.


As a result, biochem is the only useful crew skill.
nbs.

Churning out consumables is almost always my first choice. I'm kinda surprised that games still don't get this right, and tend to devalue all the effort people put into making things or working together to make things when you can just drag a random group together and do a quest and get something 10 times as better as anything anyone could ever make.

[sand]

Anyone want to explain to me why anyone would ever do a companion gift mission?

To level underworld trading faster (companion gifts take half as long as metals/fabrics) when you don't care about the money because you just dropped slicing with 2mil in the bank.

Also, low level companion gifts have diminishing returns once your companions affection gets high, so to max one out, you need rank 4-6 gifts eventually, which only come from UWT. Or take them on a shitton of quests, ofc.

For the record, that 600 credits for 60 affection? Is when they have 8000+ already. It's 600 for 106 if you're starting, so it's even more worth it. That means it is less than 100k actually to max a companion. Still seeing no reason to do missions.

Edit: even more fun. It's actually worth it to buy level 1 gifts in the beginning. Later on you move to level 2s. It'll probably be like 700k to level them, considering you get all the quests from them as well. And it's a LOT of experience. 3k affection was like 50k experience for the latest companion. Totally worth it to do it earlier.

[Wrack]

- The battle for Ilum is just absofucking retardedAssuming this is a PvP thing you queue for, I wouldn't know. For several days now, all I've had pop on Daragon Trail is Hutt Ball.

So much Hutt Ball.

Too much Hutt ball.

Roll republic, you get each warzone 1/3 of the time.

Ilum is the level 50 world pvp zone. It is a north-south map, with the republic base at the south end and the empire base at the north end. It is unreasonably gigantic. To get from the north end to the south end on a L50 speeder takes about 10 minutes. Each base has a capturable objective, and there are three capturable objectives at each 1/4 of the map's length as well. The capturable points are basically flipped between "republic control" or "empire control" by right clicking on some objectives. The status of the objectives affects nothing. There is a daily quest to flip 5 objectives to your side which gives pvp gear rewards. Each time you flip an objective you also get a pointless stacking buff that increases valor gain from kills within Ilum and from warzone completion. Because you can't flip an objective unless the other side flips it back, totally dominating the other side is counter-productive. You have to just leave and wait for them to flip things. TLDR: Ilum does not encourage inter-faction pvp, it only encourages cooperative objective swapping.

[sand]

Alright, so here's the deal on companion gifts.

Until 3k, use level 1 gifts. (200 credit a piece)
From 3-6k, use level 2 gifts. (600 credit a piece)

Now at this point, you can keep using level 2 gifts but it's diminished in gain. Now what's the purpose of this? 6k affection equates to 5% time off missions PLUS you will get several "chat missions" in your ship. These give even more affection and give *significant* amounts of experience. Each one was 12-15k with my latest companion. So if you want to level quickly....find out the favorite/love gift of a companion, spam the gifts to 6k affection, then go inside the ship and reap tons of experience.

You might as well do it earlier since it means less time on missions and the experience isn't worth it at level 50.

[noobcake]

Finally logged in post slicing Nerf, and holy fuck...45 missions, positive profit on maybe 20.

There's a difference between Nerf, and flat out smashing something into the fucking ground

Sent from my HTC EVO using Tapatalk (pissing FHC off since 2011)

[Jags]

Teaming up with random Empire dudes to gank Republic on Alderaan checking in :D. Ok been ganked 3 times myself but ffs its fun when some mong is on a mission to sneak up and kill them - although I did confuse myself by healing one first :D

[Itiken]

Finally logged in post slicing Nerf, and holy fuck...45 missions, positive profit on maybe 20.

youaredoingitwrong.jpg

(protip: if it's neither rich or Bountiful, don't do it)



Cost Level Class Name Who Result Profit
1435 6 Abundant Plug the Leak Khem 1659 224
1485 6 Abundant Data Race 2V-R8 1753 268
1485 6 Abundant Data Race Khem 2532 1047
1135 5 Rich Off the grid 2V-R8 1968 833
1435 6 Rich Data Race Khem 1635 200
1135 5 Rich Off the grid 2V-R8 1140 5
1435 6 Rich Data Race Khem 2193 758
2025 5 Rich Taking Back Control 2V-R8 2302 277
1485 6 Abundant Data Race Khem 1646 161
1930 5 Rich Fly on the wall 2V-R8 2155 225
1485 6 Abundant Data Race Khem 3446 1961
1415 6 Modeate Plug the Leak 2V-R8 1965 550
1415 6 Moderate Data race Khem 2234 819
1415 6 Abundant plug the Leak 2V-R8 1895 480


Or just randomly click on stuff and cry on forums that your broken toy was fixed.
Anyone who didn't see a slicing nerf coming is beyond retarded.

(table didn't work, deal with it)

[noobcake]

Finally logged in post slicing Nerf, and holy fuck...45 missions, positive profit on maybe 20.

youaredoingitwrong.jpg

(protip: if it's neither rich or Bountiful, don't do it)



Cost Level Class Name Who Result Profit
1435 6 Abundant Plug the Leak Khem 1659 224
1485 6 Abundant Data Race 2V-R8 1753 268
1485 6 Abundant Data Race Khem 2532 1047
1135 5 Rich Off the grid 2V-R8 1968 833
1435 6 Rich Data Race Khem 1635 200
1135 5 Rich Off the grid 2V-R8 1140 5
1435 6 Rich Data Race Khem 2193 758
2025 5 Rich Taking Back Control 2V-R8 2302 277
1485 6 Abundant Data Race Khem 1646 161
1930 5 Rich Fly on the wall 2V-R8 2155 225
1485 6 Abundant Data Race Khem 3446 1961
1415 6 Modeate Plug the Leak 2V-R8 1965 550
1415 6 Moderate Data race Khem 2234 819
1415 6 Abundant plug the Leak 2V-R8 1895 480


Or just randomly click on stuff and cry on forums that your broken toy was fixed.
Anyone who didn't see a slicing nerf coming is beyond retarded.

(table didn't work, deal with it)


first..i've done the "rich/bountifuls"

second...i called for a nerf, fuckwit

third...im not mad my toy is borked. Im sitting on well over 3 million credits, not sure what I'd have to cry about.

[Mona]

Buy monocle?

[Itiken]

first..i've done the "rich/bountifuls"

second...i called for a nerf, fuckwit

third...im not mad my toy is borked. Im sitting on well over 3 million credits, not sure what I'd have to cry about.
heh. to be honest, you sound pretty mad.

[Itiken]

first..i've done the "rich/bountifuls"

second...i called for a nerf, fuckwit

third...im not mad my toy is borked. Im sitting on well over 3 million credits, not sure what I'd have to cry about.
heh. to be honest, you sound pretty mad.


Buy monocle?
sniggered irl!

[sahtila]

Ok joining crowd of whiners and adding more points to fail-list:

- Too many missions need retarded amount of walking. Last prime example: walk to ship to look holo which sends me to walk LONG way inside building to do short combat mission after which i need to go back to ship holo which then send me to talk with sith inside temple (guess what, taxi+long walk from spaceport), who again sends me back to ship holo... utter fail, wonder if zone devs were given some hour amount peoples need to spend in area. Also gotta love all those big pointless no-content rooms, like ship hangars in spacesports... nothing to do, nothing to see but waste of time. Surely nice when first time seeing them, but after that just yet another forced walk.

- Game is so techically inferior to Wow its not even funny. Graphics are in theory better, but maybe because of wow's better animation/textures/colors swotr looks just worse. Well graphics are small thing, what really sucks is how often it needs to load new areas, loading times are for some reason far too long for what it offers. I am probably spoiled by wow where I can fly over whole continent, inside cities etc without single loading screen and even loading screen in raids or heroics happen really fast.

- I am only lvl25 or so, but is there any real flying in game? Guess no? So far everything looks like forces corridor runs.

[Mavolio]

Loading screens rly rly piss me off as well. About 2-3 times a day they get stuck at 50% and its just not worth doing warzones atm if you are in a big zone as about 1/10th of your time will be spent reading those stupid tool tips as it takes 2-3 mins to reload the zone after the game.


- I am only lvl25 or so, but is there any real flying in game? Guess no? So far everything looks like forces corridor runs.

There wont be any flying in the game or if there is it wont be in the current zones. Blizz have said multiple times that adding flying mounts to the game was one of the worst decisions they ever made. its almost impossible to design a zone that flows well when you can just fly over most of it.

[orcane]

Blizz have said multiple times that adding flying mounts to the game was one of the worst decisions they ever made. its almost impossible to design a zone that flows well when you can just fly over most of it.
If by multiple times you mean never then yeah. They did talk about the issues flying mounts brought and now they haven't been wholly beneficial for the game. It's a design challenge for sure but not one that's impossible to deal with. Obviously EA's MMO isn't likely to even attempt those challenges though.

Edit: Let me elaborate.

As a developer you need to consider what flying adds to the game (ease and freedom of transportation, a better overview of the landscape, zones generally look more impressive from high up than the limited FoV and LoS on the ground allow, others?) and decide whether the potential drawbacks are worth it for your game. The latter usually include skipping content, avoiding threats/PvP and shrinking the game world. These drawbacks can be addressed in different ways and depending on the focus of a game.

Is a game better for having long travel times in which nothing special happens, for being large but empty? If that's important, increase the landmass or slow down flyers, they don't need to be twice as fast as ground mounts. Or, not everyone cares about PvP but if that's a concern let people use abilities while flying, or even design an actual "mounted combat" system - but that's harder than just adding flying with "passive" mounts. If the game consists of kilometers of empty corridors to run through I'm not sure the "skipping content" and "avoiding danger" arguments are at all relevant, and it's questionable if a game is better for filling empty zones with aggressive mobs just to slow players down, the game (especially if those mobs are no challenge) doesn't lose anything by letting players fly over those mobs and paradrop once they reach their quest hotspot.

On the other hand if you consider these dangers to be essential, you can fill the air with mobs too (Monstrous Kaliris anyone?) but that's only fair if you give players the option to fight in the air, otherwise it's a complete scam. You're flying, but it's like running/riding minus the ability to address dangers immediately because you have to drop to the ground everytime you aggro something that's dangerous. If your game relies on storytelling and you absolutely want players to see certain scenes play out, use no-fly zones.

It's really specific to a game, WoW eg. changed from having flying mounts as an afterthought to including them in their current design and the whole flying feature is better for it (and nowhere near "one of their worst decisions" unless the question is world PvP). SWToR doesn't sound like it would give up anything useful to allow people to fly wherever they want, but that's a decision the developers have to make - just because it's "like WoW" in other areas doesn't mean the benefits and drawbacks of flying are exactly the same, though.

[Trindermon]

Ok joining crowd of whiners and adding more points to fail-list:

- Too many missions need retarded amount of walking. Last prime example: walk to ship to look holo which sends me to walk LONG way inside building to do short combat mission after which i need to go back to ship holo which then send me to talk with sith inside temple (guess what, taxi+long walk from spaceport), who again sends me back to ship holo... utter fail, wonder if zone devs were given some hour amount peoples need to spend in area. Also gotta love all those big pointless no-content rooms, like ship hangars in spacesports... nothing to do, nothing to see but waste of time. Surely nice when first time seeing them, but after that just yet another forced walk.


This is exactly what i was talking about a few pages back when some smart fuck replyed "your 25 get a mount" - didnt have the energy @ the time to point out no matter if the animation was walking or floating on some fucking space bike that it was the quest design that was retarded.

so thanks ;-)

/grin

agreed 400% - fucking running simulator.

[Mavolio]

If by multiple times you mean never then yeah

Nah some blizz employees did say in an official post/interview a while ago they regretted ever adding flying mounts as it took more from the game than it added as it made it a lot harder to design zones around the fact you can fly over all the content. I did try and find the interview or the post they made but it was quite a while ago now so all i can find is people raging about flying mounts :?

[Tyrehl]

If by multiple times you mean never then yeah

Nah some blizz employees did say in an official post/interview a while ago they regretted ever adding flying mounts as it took more from the game than it added as it made it a lot harder to design zones around the fact you can fly over all the content. I did try and find the interview or the post they made but it was quite a while ago now so all i can find is people raging about flying mounts :?


Say all you want but this is actually true. I am about to enter tatooine so i have no idea how huge the mid-late game planets are, but im glad that there are no flying mounts. Lol :/

I was arguing with some retard about an LFG system (for about 30 seconds, then he ignored me because he couldnt think of any arguments). This would be the worst thing that Bioware could do to the game, ever. A simple 'world' LFG channel would be enough (autojoin when you flag yourself as Looking for a group).

[sahtila]

Cant remember comment like that, though I thing they said having flying makes harder to make questing flow well, so they will make pandaland unflyable untill player is level 90 or so. Which sounds good way to get best of both worlds. Also pvp can be helped bit by making pvp zones unflyable (tol barad), or unflyable only during fight (wintergrasp).

[Mavolio]

I was arguing with some retard about an LFG system (for about 30 seconds, then he ignored me because he couldnt think of any arguments). This would be the worst thing that Bioware could do to the game, ever. A simple 'world' LFG channel would be enough (autojoin when you flag yourself as Looking for a group).

The LFG system was fine except for the fact its cross realm and you neeever see the same people twice. It just killed any sense of community as there wasn't any reason to be nice to people in a pug as you would never see them again.

[Celedris]

I was liking the storyline and exploring different worlds, but this game has possibly the most shit graphics engine I've ever seen; often dropping down to *single-digit* fps in the pvp zones even with the graphics set to fucking minimum. This is on a computer that runs Starcraft 2 on medium/high settings at 60+fps, which is a much better looking game. Already cancelled my sub.

[evil edna]

so is this game actually good? whats the opinion now its been out a week or so. im kinda tempted to try it but in screenshots it looks so much like warcraft. but i did love kotor

[Donte]

so is this game actually good? whats the opinion now its been out a week or so. im kinda tempted to try it but in screenshots it looks so much like warcraft. but i did love kotor

Yes.

It's the best single player kotor made so far... And it's multiplayer.

Good game is good.

[sand]

I was liking the storyline and exploring different worlds, but this game has possibly the most shit graphics engine I've ever seen; often dropping down to *single-digit* fps in the pvp zones even with the graphics set to fucking minimum. This is on a computer that runs Starcraft 2 on medium/high settings at 60+fps, which is a much better looking game. Already cancelled my sub.

Oh no, we got a badass - Starcraft 2 at medium settings. You realize SC2 takes nothing at all to run right? Tired of people bitching about the game running like crap when they must have clearly shitty machines. I'd actually like a game where it required a better machine so the graphics were better across the board. My only complaint is the game has to handle 'tards with 800x600 on some shitty 3+ year old machine and complain when the UI won't fit on their screen.

[Space Panda]

i think slicing will work out when more demand for augments accumulates. plus i think i come out positive on the missions for the most part. i'm also doing bioanalysis and biochem.

[Mythrantar]

I am sticking to levell 17-24 abundant/rich slicing missions and the credits keep rolling in at an excellent pace, every 5 minutes.

[orcane]

I seriously can't remember any comment that amounted to more than "yeah flying mounts ruined world PvP a bit and are harder to design around" if it's not taken out of context entirely or just the opinion of one guy who happened to be "blue". They did talk about the whole content skipping issue before WotLK, justifying why people who just spent their months at 70 flying around had to go groundside again and level up to 77 to access flying in the new continent but that's it IIRC. It obviously wasn't a big enough issue to keep them from designing two whole zones in WotLK around it again, and making the whole old world flyable later.




I was arguing with some retard about an LFG system (for about 30 seconds, then he ignored me because he couldnt think of any arguments). This would be the worst thing that Bioware could do to the game, ever. A simple 'world' LFG channel would be enough (autojoin when you flag yourself as Looking for a group).

The LFG system was fine except for the fact its cross realm and you neeever see the same people twice. It just killed any sense of community as there wasn't any reason to be nice to people in a pug as you would never see them again.
Some accountability was lost but really, how can it kill a sense of community where there isn't one in the first place? People were dicks before cross-realm dungeons, there are enough people on a given server even in MMOs with small-ish user counts per realm, that you're unlikely to run with the same people more than a handful of times if you strictly go with randoms all the time, and even less likely for the people who primarily group with friends and relatives.

For those the community is essentially the same as it was in 2004 because even then you didn't interact with out-of-guild players other than doing AH/trade channel economy, seeing them talk about Chuck Norris in Barrens chat or grouping with them for five minutes for some quest. There are enough players, and enough of them who don't give a damn, blacklisting anyone never worked outside of guilds.

In other words that "sense of community" is an almost complete myth and gets brought up everytime in discussions about a) WoW sucks, b) WoW is dying, hail some new MMO and c) why other games should never, ever copy it because it led to a) or b). The MMO of today is not the niche game where everyone knows everyone else who plays in their immediate game area and most people also don't care if a player they rarely meet in game is an idiot. I guess I just don't see how a dungeon tool like WoW's can possibly ruin something which was lost way back when MMOs stopped being about a few thousand people getting together in a virtual world and started being about the fifty gazillion mainstream users on broadband and their 12yo kids.

All these WoW clones of the past 5 years are by definition no virtual worlds (SWTOR certainly isn't), there is no community that could be "ruined" with a dungeon finder tool in the first place. Pretty sure he ignored you after 30 seconds because there's no way to make a coherent argument why a LFG tool could ruin "KotOR with other players" and therefore no point arguing further...

[noobcake]

first..i've done the "rich/bountifuls"

second...i called for a nerf, fuckwit

third...im not mad my toy is borked. Im sitting on well over 3 million credits, not sure what I'd have to cry about.
heh. to be honest, you sound pretty mad.

oh boy...urite. I so mad

[helgur]

I want to be sneaky and stalk other missioners and then put a glorious end to their missionwhoring. I'm afraid I've chosen a wrong char to do it with though - sith juggernaut :-)

Open world PvP is a bit lacking, there is a lot of running around deserted areas trying to find someone to kill. Kind of reminds me of eve

[Kilabi]

Worked well for me on Alderaan. I just went down to the republic quest areas and got some nice fights there. Added bonus of not beint totally overrun so you can pick fights yourself and then run away without getting jumped at every 10m.

[Tyrehl]

I seriously can't remember any comment that amounted to more than "yeah flying mounts ruined world PvP a bit and are harder to design around" if it's not taken out of context entirely or just the opinion of one guy who happened to be "blue". They did talk about the whole content skipping issue before WotLK, justifying why people who just spent their months at 70 flying around had to go groundside again and level up to 77 to access flying in the new continent but that's it IIRC. It obviously wasn't a big enough issue to keep them from designing two whole zones in WotLK around it again, and making the whole old world flyable later.




I was arguing with some retard about an LFG system (for about 30 seconds, then he ignored me because he couldnt think of any arguments). This would be the worst thing that Bioware could do to the game, ever. A simple 'world' LFG channel would be enough (autojoin when you flag yourself as Looking for a group).

The LFG system was fine except for the fact its cross realm and you neeever see the same people twice. It just killed any sense of community as there wasn't any reason to be nice to people in a pug as you would never see them again.
Some accountability was lost but really, how can it kill a sense of community where there isn't one in the first place? People were dicks before cross-realm dungeons, there are enough people on a given server even in MMOs with small-ish user counts per realm, that you're unlikely to run with the same people more than a handful of times if you strictly go with randoms all the time, and even less likely for the people who primarily group with friends and relatives.

For those the community is essentially the same as it was in 2004 because even then you didn't interact with out-of-guild players other than doing AH/trade channel economy, seeing them talk about Chuck Norris in Barrens chat or grouping with them for five minutes for some quest. There are enough players, and enough of them who don't give a damn, blacklisting anyone never worked outside of guilds.

In other words that "sense of community" is an almost complete myth and gets brought up everytime in discussions about a) WoW sucks, b) WoW is dying, hail some new MMO and c) why other games should never, ever copy it because it led to a) or b). The MMO of today is not the niche game where everyone knows everyone else who plays in their immediate game area and most people also don't care if a player they rarely meet in game is an idiot. I guess I just don't see how a dungeon tool like WoW's can possibly ruin something which was lost way back when MMOs stopped being about a few thousand people getting together in a virtual world and started being about the fifty gazillion mainstream users on broadband and their 12yo kids.

All these WoW clones of the past 5 years are by definition no virtual worlds (SWTOR certainly isn't), there is no community that could be "ruined" with a dungeon finder tool in the first place. Pretty sure he ignored you after 30 seconds because there's no way to make a coherent argument why a LFG tool could ruin "KotOR with other players" and therefore no point arguing further...


Its nice how you completely ignore other people's points of view. You might want to check the threadnoughts on the TOR forums where you will find people that want LFG system and people that dont want one at all.

First, why would you need such (IMO) abomination? Well, you want to do the low / mid-game flashpoint X and you need more people for it. Possible solutions:
1) Ask some friends. Im mostly sticking to that method. I was bored once and found a group for my tanky sith assassin within 2 minutes (well actually i just had to relog). Most of the time i roll with 2 more people and for the harder flashpoints we just hit the general chat channel and find some retard in about 1-2 minutes (EU prime time, but thats on an EU server after all).

2) Guild. Socializing within the game is nice, you know.

3) Using the current LFG system. This is actually terrible, IMHO joining a special galaxy-wide lfg-channel when you flag yourself that way would be a good and easy addition.

4) "IMMA HIT A BUTTAN AND TELEPORT INSTANTLY ACROSS THE GALAXY TO THE DUNGEAN". I have no idea where the other flashpoint entrances are located, ive only seen the first six ones (on the imperial fleet). I guess that the end-game ones arent there. But in WOW you had people that have no idea where the actual dungeon is. And when someone dies "Hurr where is the entrance to the 'Halls of Reflection', i cant find eett!"

Seriously, is this what you want? Instant-teleportation to the flashpoint? Call me a RP-fag, but this breaks the immersion (lol eve). If you want to go somewhere, travel to the entrance. This is one of the reasons why i dont like the entrances to the first 6 flashpoints - all of them are in one room. This makes things too easy and too stupid-unproof. If we could instantly teleport to any location without any penalty ... what the fuck is this shit. The only thing it would be missing is a buff for the tards because you arent in a proper "premade" group.

Second reason - Cross-realm LFG. This is much worse, its not just some personal preference (like the previous one). I dont want people from other realms. I was doing Cademimu with 2 friends and some random guy yesterday. As always (when we run with a 4th person in our group) our 'leader' told us to behave and to be careful with the rolls - we didnt wanted to make bad impression to anyone, be it a retard or an actual good player. There is a sense for "society" and you cant deny it. It may not be that way in wow, but the game was full of kids and "omg i will play with a blood elf because of :beautiful: and im ugly irl".


I dont want auto-anything in this game and these are my reasons. There are others as well, but most of the time its a matter of personal preference. If you want to group up all you actually need is a chat channel with other people like you. If the current "Flagged for LFG" system made you join such a channel you wouldnt have to sit in Imperial Fleet while trying to find more people.

[Aramendel]

Its nice how you completely ignore other people's points of view. You might want to check the threadnoughts on the TOR forums where you will find people that want LFG system and people that dont want one at all.

And? How does it invalidate what he said? I happily "ignore" other peoples point of view if they cannot bring any arguments to back it up. On it alone a point of view is utterly useless.

He is quite right that there isn't any real community to destroy by a real "automatic" LFG tool AS LONG AS IT ISN'T CROSS-REALM. How is spamming "LF1M Cademimu Healer" every 30 seconds building a community? I frankly do not see it.
It's not like it would be impossible to make it so you can queue up as already partially formed group so you can include guild members and friends before looking for randoms.


I have no idea where the other flashpoint entrances are located, ive only seen the first six ones (on the imperial fleet).

The later flashpoints are in Fleet too. The 2 after the first six definitly are at least and I see no reason why they would suddenly change this. They are started from the capital ships instead from the station.

[Calistai Huranu]

Was actually starting to enjoy playing this game up until the patch the other day.. Now having the joy's of bsod within half hour of logging on all the time.

[Alistair]

Am dissapointed.

Not in the game itself, it's a quality WoW Clone with a great setting/IP.

All my old WoW Buddies have passed on it, no time and may as well stick with WoW.

None of my EVE Buddies play it, too WoW-like.

My brother plays it....about 1 min per week thus far (sucks to be him).

The lag-spike syndrome appears intrinsic for many users, including me (prob. fixed down the line).

And frankly, I'm too socially inept and lazy to go about making yet another new group of gaming friends after doing so in WoW and EVE.

Meh.

[noobcake]

Open world PvP is a bit lacking, there is a lot of running around deserted areas trying to find someone to kill. Kind of reminds me of eve

definitely agreeing...at least Eve is a single shard, so you know when the PCU is high, theyre all on your server. Theres so many servers on SWTOR that the population is diluted, and its difficult to find anyone worth griefing.

[mira o'karr]

i m pretty much pro LFG system as it lets me do a flashpoint without much wait.
same as it is with the warzones, i queue, i get teleported. no one talking about a problem or immersion breaker there.
either no warzone queue or LFG tool for pve instances. i do agree though this should be realm only. not cross realm.

edit: one thing that really shits me about the current way of finding a group is that i am unable to determine what level or even what class people are until invite them (or i could type them in /who which is not always easy what with all the accent fetishist out there).

[Brullig]

i m pretty much pro LFG system as it lets me do a flashpoint without much wait.
same as it is with the warzones, i queue, i get teleported. no one talking about a problem or immersion breaker there.
either no warzone queue or LFG tool for pve instances. i do agree though this should be realm only. not cross realm.

edit: one thing that really shits me about the current way of finding a group is that i am unable to determine what level or even what class people are until invite them (or i could type them in /who which is not always easy what with all the accent fetishist out there).

Which brings up another point: why the f can't I just type in "/who NAME" rather than futz around with opening the dialog first then typing their name?

[mira o'karr]

i m pretty much pro LFG system as it lets me do a flashpoint without much wait.
same as it is with the warzones, i queue, i get teleported. no one talking about a problem or immersion breaker there.
either no warzone queue or LFG tool for pve instances. i do agree though this should be realm only. not cross realm.

edit: one thing that really shits me about the current way of finding a group is that i am unable to determine what level or even what class people are until invite them (or i could type them in /who which is not always easy what with all the accent fetishist out there).

Which brings up another point: why the f can't I just type in "/who NAME" rather than futz around with opening the dialog first then typing their name?

indeed! fucking annoying.
could live with the global LFG channel as well as there is a shuttle to the fleet at pretty much every planet any way. so you can always be where you need to be within a minute or two.

[Lilalaunebör]

So, decided to get this (mainly for the kotor 3 part, im past having the time to srs mmo). Goofed around for 3 hrs first as Smuggler then as vanilla JK... i just cant take this game seriously so far. The dialogue choices are just so disconnected from the actual lines, 50% of the time i cant be sure what cheese hides behind what choice.
But whereas that was funny in ME thanks to snarky one-liners, here its played with such a straight face it makes me beg for option 4 "shut the f up and suck my blaster" more often than not. Maybe its because of republic side so far, but im expecting a lot of mustache twirling on the sith side.

[sand]

So, decided to get this (mainly for the kotor 3 part, im past having the time to srs mmo). Goofed around for 3 hrs first as Smuggler then as vanilla JK... i just cant take this game seriously so far. The dialogue choices are just so disconnected from the actual lines, 50% of the time i cant be sure what cheese hides behind what choice.
But whereas that was funny in ME thanks to snarky one-liners, here its played with such a straight face it makes me beg for option 4 "shut the f up and suck my blaster" more often than not. Maybe its because of republic side so far, but im expecting a lot of mustache twirling on the sith side.

Imperial Agent - trust me, you'll never go back. Pistol whipping and shooting a rich man's daughter in the catina in front of several people? Priceless. Don't fuck with Intelligence ;) I'm in the final stretches (level 43) and the story is still strong and probably even getting better if that was possible. Nothing compares imho.

[Mavolio]

4) "IMMA HIT A BUTTAN AND TELEPORT INSTANTLY ACROSS THE GALAXY TO THE DUNGEAN". I have no idea where the other flashpoint entrances are located, ive only seen the first six ones (on the imperial fleet).

You have to go to the other ships located at the imperial fleet (there are 2) they hold the other flash points.

[lubica]

So, decided to get this (mainly for the kotor 3 part, im past having the time to srs mmo). Goofed around for 3 hrs first as Smuggler then as vanilla JK... i just cant take this game seriously so far. The dialogue choices are just so disconnected from the actual lines, 50% of the time i cant be sure what cheese hides behind what choice.
But whereas that was funny in ME thanks to snarky one-liners, here its played with such a straight face it makes me beg for option 4 "shut the f up and suck my blaster" more often than not. Maybe its because of republic side so far, but im expecting a lot of mustache twirling on the sith side.

Imperial Agent - trust me, you'll never go back. Pistol whipping and shooting a rich man's daughter in the catina in front of several people? Priceless. Don't fuck with Intelligence ;) I'm in the final stretches (level 43) and the story is still strong and probably even getting better if that was possible. Nothing compares imho.

I'll just mention that Sith Juggernauts are practically told to go and start the next Empire vs Republic war as part of our class quest :)

And ohgod, the evil. Literally murder everyone you don't like and you'll more likely than not do the right thing, not always tho! Sometimes you need to let them tell you stuff before you kill them. I'ts ok to tell them you'll let them go free, if they tell you what you want to know (avoid light choices durr).

[lubica]

So, decided to get this (mainly for the kotor 3 part, im past having the time to srs mmo). Goofed around for 3 hrs first as Smuggler then as vanilla JK... i just cant take this game seriously so far. The dialogue choices are just so disconnected from the actual lines, 50% of the time i cant be sure what cheese hides behind what choice.
But whereas that was funny in ME thanks to snarky one-liners, here its played with such a straight face it makes me beg for option 4 "shut the f up and suck my blaster" more often than not. Maybe its because of republic side so far, but im expecting a lot of mustache twirling on the sith side.

Imperial Agent - trust me, you'll never go back. Pistol whipping and shooting a rich man's daughter in the catina in front of several people? Priceless. Don't fuck with Intelligence ;) I'm in the final stretches (level 43) and the story is still strong and probably even getting better if that was possible. Nothing compares imho.

I'll just mention that Sith Juggernauts are practically told to go and start the next Empire vs Republic war as part of our class quest :)

And ohgod, the evil. Literally murder everyone you don't like and you'll more likely than not do the right thing, not always tho! Sometimes you need to let them tell you stuff before you kill them. I'ts ok to tell them you'll let them go free, if they tell you what you want to know (avoid light choices durr).

[Spaztick]

Neutral Bounty Hunter was fun. They ought to make neutral-specific armor and weapons.

[noobcake]

Neutral Bounty Hunter was fun. They ought to make neutral-specific armor and weapons.

The point is to pick light or dark...

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[helgur]

ohgod, the evil


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[Daco]

I have just recently arrived on Alderaan and when I went to Thul's palace Kaliyo amused me by saying this:

Kaliyo: "Only time I'm ever gonna be in a palace like this--ha! Makes you want to kick out the nobles and run around naked."

:lol:

[Iloni Atoriandra]

Ganked so many scrubs with my Jugg now. It seems better at high level with all the CC and stuff and loads of tanking.

[Spaztick]

Neutral Bounty Hunter was fun. They ought to make neutral-specific armor and weapons.

The point is to pick light or dark...

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No you should be roleplaying, and if I want to roleplay the neutral anti-hero then I will.

[Kaianna]

Neutral Bounty Hunter was fun. They ought to make neutral-specific armor and weapons.

The point is to pick light or dark...

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No you should be roleplaying, and if I want to roleplay the neutral anti-hero then I will.


Neutral pure-professional Bounty Hunter checking in.

Basically I go for "always honour the contract" regardless of whether thats dark or light.

[Kilabi]

Only one I was very very tempted to to the other side. Taris against that stupid Sith Apprentice bitch. I would have killed her at every chance and then in the end it is apparently dark side to kill a sith cunt who is an asshole. Why the fuck would it be dark side to kill her.

[evil edna]

i was gonna buy this but its 59£ on origin? wtf?

[TheManFromDelmonte]

i was gonna buy this but its 59£ on origin? wtf?

I'm waiting for the F2P release.

[Space Panda]

i don't understand these so-called "neutral bounty hunters". what you do is evil, so you should embrace it openly. don't be some in-denial cunt like mako.

think of what will happen to business if the light side of the force prevails!

[Hels]

i don't understand these so-called "neutral bounty hunters". what you do is evil, so you should embrace it openly. don't be some in-denial cunt like mako.

think of what will happen to business if the light side of the force prevails!

Credits are neutral brah, and the driving force behind all bounty hunters.

[FatFreddy]

i was gonna buy this but its 59£ on origin? wtf?

I'm waiting for the F2P release.

not sure if serious

[Kilabi]

i was gonna buy this but its 59£ on origin? wtf?

g2play.com and others have it ranging from 42-52€.
Got mine from g2play as pre-order and works like a charm.

[Trindermon]

Just to weigh in on the Instance finder argument. I totally agree that it turned WoW in to stupidity and had many many downsides. But so does standing in fleet for over a hour not playing the game whilst trying to get a group. So my options are to A) waste more fucking time doing this. or B) ignore content that might be fun.

Id rather put up with people being dicks than miss content. The arguement of "run with freinds and guildies" doesnt really wash with me, as thats a exact counter arguement to the whole "but people are douches in a dungion finder", again "run with freinds and guildies" works for that.

Grrr. ill quit this group now, and miss the content. :-( well done bioware.

Most people who didnt have problems are leveling at the same pace as the early starters, the problem comes when the player base spreads out a bit as it is starting to. lower level instances will just not be used.

[Audiofeeler]

Should I bother buying this game or wait until after new year with more settled or it will be still "cluster fcuk"?

[Trindermon]

Should I bother buying this game or wait until after new year with more settled or it will be still "cluster fcuk"? Not sure it is a cluster fuck tbh mate. its a decent hot bar mmo - with some cool story telling (and some shite story telling).

For a product @ launch its pretty decent - best launch ive experianced in a while anyhow.

[pratell]

Should I bother buying this game or wait until after new year with more settled or it will be still "cluster fcuk"? Not sure it is a cluster fuck tbh mate. its a decent hot bar mmo - with some cool story telling (and some shite story telling).

For a product @ launch its pretty decent - best launch ive experianced in a while anyhow.
rift didn't have 5 hour downtimes during primetime for 3 days in a row...

[sand]

Should I bother buying this game or wait until after new year with more settled or it will be still "cluster fcuk"? Not sure it is a cluster fuck tbh mate. its a decent hot bar mmo - with some cool story telling (and some shite story telling).

For a product @ launch its pretty decent - best launch ive experianced in a while anyhow.
rift didn't have 5 hour downtimes during primetime for 3 days in a row...

Prime time for you is before 8am? Silly Euros...

[Trindermon]

Should I bother buying this game or wait until after new year with more settled or it will be still "cluster fcuk"? Not sure it is a cluster fuck tbh mate. its a decent hot bar mmo - with some cool story telling (and some shite story telling).

For a product @ launch its pretty decent - best launch ive experianced in a while anyhow.
rift didn't have 5 hour downtimes during primetime for 3 days in a row...

Prime time for you is before 8am? Silly Euros...

Ive only had 1 down time in "prime time", turns out that "prime time" would normally be when everyfucker who isnt 12 or a student should be at work. Manchester uk BTW. Rift was also fucking shit.

[Audiofeeler]

Got the game, succumb to my urge and went to shop, I guess I can kiss the next few weeks goodbye plus I guess being umeployed have it perks.

Updated: Just open the box and found myself with 2 codes? Is that normal or that mean I actually brought 2 game for price of one?

[Winged Nazgul]

Rift was also fucking shit.

Fighting words IMO. What, exactly, was shit about Rift?

I can understand you not liking the game. Everyone has different tastes. But to say anything about Rift was shit is clearly ludicrous.

[sand]

Rift sucked....seriously, it did. I can go into it if ya really care to know why.

On another note, really wish I had abused slicing more. The amount of money needed at top levels is ridiculous. Watch this...

-Skills are roughly 25k-30k EACH after level 40
-Riding level 2 was 220k....riding level 3 is 330k
-Inventory upgrade is now 50k and not even close to finished
-Next bank tab is 400k

How the fuck are people supposed to afford this :( I'm questing and there's no way I make that much. Just went broke finishing up cybertech (built my 110% custom bike and bought all the recipes....which was like 12k+ each).

It's like they built the economy around slicing, didn't think people would abuse it so bad, nurfed it to hell but now no one has money to do all this. I at least can make *some* money with slicing still but crafters are screwed...

[TheManFromDelmonte]

I'm waiting for the F2P release.

not sure if serious

I might be an idiot, but I am serious. It might not be full f2p but I believe there'll be at least a long trial / first 20 levels free before next christmas.


Rift sucked....seriously, it did. I can go into it if ya really care to know why.

I thought it was ok. Bit bland perhaps.
I'd like to hear details though.

[DevilDude]

Rift sucked....seriously, it did. I can go into it if ya really care to know why.

On another note, really wish I had abused slicing more. The amount of money needed at top levels is ridiculous. Watch this...

-Skills are roughly 25k-30k EACH after level 40
-Riding level 2 was 220k....riding level 3 is 330k
-Inventory upgrade is now 50k and not even close to finished
-Next bank tab is 400k

How the fuck are people supposed to afford this :( I'm questing and there's no way I make that much. Just went broke finishing up cybertech (built my 110% custom bike and bought all the recipes....which was like 12k+ each).

It's like they built the economy around slicing, didn't think people would abuse it so bad, nurfed it to hell but now no one has money to do all this. I at least can make *some* money with slicing still but crafters are screwed...slicing would have injected enough cash into the system to make it work, now not so much v0v

[Mavolio]

Neutral Bounty Hunter was fun. They ought to make neutral-specific armor and weapons.

I recall some one asking a dev about Grey Jedi and the dev said that it sounded like some thing they would try and do. And it was then instantly filed into the never going to happen pile.

[evil edna]

fuck me this is a seriously big download

[Helfix]

fuck me this is a seriously big download

Tell me about it bro, 27 gigs, I think I should of purchased in store :V

[Lilalaunebör]

Bought boxed version, still had to dl 4 gig or so to get english because the german translation made me want to claw my eyes out (not engrish bad, just completely unfunny and boring).

I just tried to do my first flashpoint, partner dc's and never comes back, right before the (presumably) endboss. MMO the worst aspect of my RPG? Why, i never....

[noobcake]

Neutral Bounty Hunter was fun. They ought to make neutral-specific armor and weapons.

I recall some one asking a dev about Grey Jedi and the dev said that it sounded like some thing they would try and do. And it was then instantly filed into the never going to happen pile.

And rightfully so...fuck this "I'm role playing" bullshit. Why should someone who chooses to be effectively a neutral be entitled to attribute-enhancing equipment for saying "lol I don't want to do it your way." If you want to play a game where you're rewarded for not picking a side, a theme park MMO probably isn't what you want to play

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[Lilalaunebör]

On the other hand, if you want people to make simplistic "moral" choices, then dont offer rewards just for one alignment? Its not a choice if one side is consistently punished / only the extremes are rewarded.

Do you want to play Taliban vs Girlscouts all the time?

[noobcake]

On the other hand, if you want people to make simplistic "moral" choices, then dont offer rewards just for one alignment? Its not a choice if one side is consistently punished / only the extremes are rewarded.

Do you want to play Taliban vs Girlscouts all the time?

Light or dark doesn't determine sides in the civil war....if you think it does then you're fucked in the head

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[Wen Jaibao]

Neutral Bounty Hunter was fun. They ought to make neutral-specific armor and weapons.

I recall some one asking a dev about Grey Jedi and the dev said that it sounded like some thing they would try and do. And it was then instantly filed into the never going to happen pile.

And rightfully so...fuck this "I'm role playing" bullshit. Why should someone who chooses to be effectively a neutral be entitled to attribute-enhancing equipment for saying "lol I don't want to do it your way." If you want to play a game where you're rewarded for not picking a side, a theme park MMO probably isn't what you want to play

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[pratell]

On the other hand, if you want people to make simplistic "moral" choices, then dont offer rewards just for one alignment? Its not a choice if one side is consistently punished / only the extremes are rewarded.

Do you want to play Taliban vs Girlscouts all the time?noobcake does, yes

[Sparq]

Christ I am sick to fucking death of some dialogue choices not reflecting ANYTHING like what they're implied to mean. DIDN'T WANT THOSE COMPANION POINTS ANYWAY. There needs to be an option that strings out my entire line in advance instead of the barest cliff-notes version.

Ran Black Talon last night for the first time with a friend, it was kind of cool for him because he's playing a light-side sith and it was the first time he ever saw the imperial captain live (not for want of my trying, but I failed the roll. I bagged the General, though!) honestly if the game was just a series of flash points with my friends I'd be hooked...

[Daco]

I can't get past the type in pw part of the launcher.

I type in the password hit login and it sits there then says sorry this is unavailable wth!!!!

Anyone else having or have had this problem?

EDIT: So it seems deleting the settings folder worked.

[noobcake]

Christ I am sick to fucking death of some dialogue choices not reflecting ANYTHING like what they're implied to mean. DIDN'T WANT THOSE COMPANION POINTS ANYWAY. There needs to be an option that strings out my entire line in advance instead of the barest cliff-notes version.

Ran Black Talon last night for the first time with a friend, it was kind of cool for him because he's playing a light-side sith and it was the first time he ever saw the imperial captain live (not for want of my trying, but I failed the roll. I bagged the General, though!) honestly if the game was just a series of flash points with my friends I'd be hooked...

protip...read the numerous guides out there if you want to not fuck up your companion points...alternatively, buy gifts to give them with the cash from your slicing exploits (lets face if, if you didnt go slicing, then you were fucked from the very start anyway) and dont look back.

[Keorythe]

he's playing a light-side sith

W...T....F....

I don't get why this is even an option. Neutral sure. Light side? That's called a Jedi. I mean the whole "being a Sith" thing is kind of tied directly to Dark side emotions and what not. That doesn't even address some of their ability traits that rely on rage, hatred, etc.

[Sparq]

he's playing a light-side sith

W...T....F....

I don't get why this is even an option. Neutral sure. Light side? That's called a Jedi. I mean the whole "being a Sith" thing is kind of tied directly to Dark side emotions and what not. That doesn't even address some of their ability traits that rely on rage, hatred, etc.Mmmm, I should maybe explain a little: his main is an Imperial Agent, his brother plays a (trololololol evil) Sith, he sits next to him in the study so he's seen most of the "dark" dialogue and cut-scenes. He just wants to explore the different dialogue while he plays a new class.

Although we do have a mostly light-side Sorc who just wanted a blue lightsaber :-P

Otherwise I agree, the whole "I'm really a diamond in the rough" thing is a bit ridiculous for the empire and especially so for the Sith.


protip...read the numerous guides out there if you want to not fuck up your companion points...alternatively, buy gifts to give them with the cash from your slicing exploits (lets face if, if you didnt go slicing, then you were fucked from the very start anyway) and dont look back.Ugh, I'm starting to think I might do just that.

But the issue remains that often - too often - the few words of conversation options you're given on-screen yield your character spouting something which is nothing like what you expect they should. That isn't good enough.

[evil edna]

On the other hand, if you want people to make simplistic "moral" choices, then dont offer rewards just for one alignment? Its not a choice if one side is consistently punished / only the extremes are rewarded.

Do you want to play Taliban vs Girlscouts all the time?

i would totally play taliban vs girlscouts

[evil edna]

On the other hand, if you want people to make simplistic "moral" choices, then dont offer rewards just for one alignment? Its not a choice if one side is consistently punished / only the extremes are rewarded.

Do you want to play Taliban vs Girlscouts all the time?

i would totally play taliban vs girlscouts

[Kaianna]

nm, too much derp to bother arguing.

[Wen Jaibao]

Even though Sith have light side options, they aren't really 'good' if they pick them, its more of a neutral slant, barely. A couple of examples.

Slave revolt. Darth Sith Guy wants to poison them and have them writhing in agony for days as they slowly die (Dark Side option). Alternatively, you can overdose the poison, killing them instantly (LIGHT SIDE)

Insurgents on Balmorra. Imperial Agent Guy wants to put booby trapped comlinks on dead soldiers, to kill civillians (Dark Side). Or you can booby trap grenades to kill soldiers instead (Light Side).



Some of the dialogue options ARE hilariously bad at reflecting what they actually mean.

Alien "So, you work for Nemro?"
*picks :Here and there: on the wheel*
Me "I DO HIS KILLING" (-15 mako affection) :derper:

[Overspark]

Me "I DO HIS KILLING" (-15 mako affection) :derper:
Is Mako such a pussy then? Don't think I've ever scored more negative than -1 with Kaliyo.

[TheManFromDelmonte]

Some of the dialogue options ARE hilariously bad at reflecting what they actually mean.

Alien "So, you work for Nemro?"
*picks :Here and there: on the wheel*
Me "I DO HIS KILLING" (-15 mako affection) :derper:

This crap ruined Dragon Age 2. I can't imagine enjoying a game where it's permanent and you can't reload.

[Kilabi]

It isn´t. Press ESC during a conversation resets it and you can start over. I only use that during the companion-quests tho.

[evil edna]

are you guys all on one server?

[Sparq]

Some of the dialogue options ARE hilariously bad at reflecting what they actually mean.

Alien "So, you work for Nemro?"
*picks :Here and there: on the wheel*
Me "I DO HIS KILLING" (-15 mako affection) :derper:OH MY GOD, EXACTLY THAT.

That is a prime example of them screwing up. It isn't the only time, either. I don't mind being punished or rewarded for my interactions - actually, I think it's pretty fucking neato - but it's really fucking hard to judge what I should do when the goal posts are constantly shifting while being obscured by (rushed? lazy? just plain bad?) the very mechanism I'm expected to chart my choices by...

I also find the -1 subtractions from dialogue choice to be annoying. Like, a moderate fuck-up is worth -15, a major fuck-up is what, -40? But sometimes it's -1, like, the companion could literally care less - but only just!



Oh and last time I tried hitting escape it didn't register anything different after re-doing that conversation node, but I'll try it again...

[Lilalaunebör]

are you guys all on one server?

Id be interested in that as well, didnt see anything special in the thread so i rolled on some random pvp server, but wouldnt mind redoing those few hours if it means dicking around with fhc guys.

[DevilDude]

I think we're spread out, I'm on Ajunta Pall which is where my clan decided to setup since its Rp-PvP

[sand]

US Server here, Saber of Exar Kun - PVP. You can bug me in-game as sanddemon. We're a bunch of older guys who have been playing for multiple years together.

[evil edna]

im on the shadow runner eu-pvp but i only just started

[Lilalaunebör]

Dito Shadowrunner, got a Guardian up to 15 now but im thinking about starting over either Sorcerer or Sage, because i like healing classes.

[sand]

Final companion for the Imperial Agent is AMAZING - female droid who is basically GLaDOS. Oh and her bonuses are wrong on 99% of sites. She gets +10 cybertech efficiency and +2 slicing critical. Man that would have been great earlier but least I have it now :)

[noobcake]

I think we're spread out, I'm on Ajunta Pall which is where my clan decided to setup since its Rp-PvP

Oh you're on SOAP too? What guild

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[noobcake]

Some of the dialogue options ARE hilariously bad at reflecting what they actually mean.

Alien "So, you work for Nemro?"
*picks :Here and there: on the wheel*
Me "I DO HIS KILLING" (-15 mako affection) :derper:

This crap ruined Dragon Age 2. I can't imagine enjoying a game where it's permanent and you can't reload.

Run flashpoints, acquire copious amounts of companion points, disregard negative affection...

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[sand]

Or you can abuse that you can leave any convo to redo it again. Guildmate taught me that - hit escape, cancels the conversation and reverts your options...

[noobcake]

Or you can abuse that you can leave any convo to redo it again. Guildmate taught me that - hit escape, cancels the conversation and reverts your options...

Oh this works too, but for the people worried about getting affection past a certain point can always re run flashpoints that give alot of positive affection

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[Daco]

I'm on Begeren Colony which is a RP-PVE server. I went for a West Coast server just to reduce ping since I am in New Zealand and it hasn't officially released over here :P

[Marlona Sky]

Sorry if this has been said before, but...

I'm an imperial agent and I have no clue what three professions to work on. Any advise post slice nerf? I kind of like the idea of making my own shit to kill people, take their shit and make my shit into better shit.

[lubica]

*cough*biochem*cough*


Also, Bloodworthy, English PVP, I blame my guild.

Also, also, outdoor random nonconsensual PvP, best PvP. Until you get blobbed 4v2 + companions. Seriously, fuck healer companions in world pvp.

[mira o'karr]

as im close to 50 now and my "guild" of co workers is hopeless and totally underleveled.... what server and what faction should i alt on?

[sand]

Finally caved and made an alt - I was running out of bank space and they're crazy to think I'm paying 400k for another bank tab. I mailed the new Sith Inquisitor 70 missions for scavenging/investigation and armstech recipes...anyone tried inquisitor tanking yet?

[Mimiru]

I'm on Veela, US East PVP with <Starfleet Dental>

Scoundrel Smuggler is the smuggest.

[Daco]

I just defeated what I am guessing is the final boss of Act 1 as my Imperial Agent(Sniper spec) and I didn't have much trouble beating him... WHEN I COULD HIT HIM!!!!

The stupid thing kept on telling me I couldn't see him even though both of us were in the open, so I had to run around like a retard trying to find that magical spot where I could hit him, spent quite a bit of creds on repair and stuff because I kept dying.

[noobcake]

blobbed 4v2

wow...id hate to think what your definition of blob is in Eve...

[Sparq]

So when your Bounty Hunter first gets to the Imperial Fleet you can select one of three outfits for Mako: Ops, Street and Combat - however, there is a random chance when selecting Ops or Combat that the pants from both sets will be switched with each other, for no reason.

I wouldn't care so much, if I could actually find a bug report function in the game - am I missing it, or is this something I have to go and post on their forum?

[Daco]

So when your Bounty Hunter first gets to the Imperial Fleet you can select one of three outfits for Mako: Ops, Street and Combat - however, there is a random chance when selecting Ops or Combat that the pants from both sets will be switched with each other, for no reason.

I wouldn't care so much, if I could actually find a bug report function in the game - am I missing it, or is this something I have to go and post on their forum?

The far right icon on the top menu called Help.... The along the bottom tabs there is one to create a ticket.

[Lilalaunebör]

Eh, for me the topdog Jedi chick was scaled down to approx 1/10th size, made me chuckle during the convos but not care enough to bugreport. Other than that ive had 0 problems, no hardware issues or anything.
P smooth for a MMO release.

[TheManFromDelmonte]

Some rumours of unlikely bans going around for looting in a level 50 area while not being level 50.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/01/01/swtor-ban-for-high-level-looting-unlikely/

A comment in that post claims they were actually orchestrating flipping to reset resource nodes or something.

The second for swearing in tells is... more interesting:
http://i.imgur.com/1J98e.jpg

(Thanks to those who explained you can always reset the friendlyness of companions in some way. Are companion friendships the only permanent result of the dialogue? I thought it had some kind of branching plot or something too.)

[mira o'karr]

havent had a single huttball game yet... strange...

[Aramendel]

Thanks to those who explained you can always reset the friendlyness of companions in some way. Are companion friendships the only permanent result of the dialogue? I thought it had some kind of branching plot or something too.

"Branching plot" is likely a bit too strong to call it. There are consequences, but they are only details. From the "how do they effect your chars story" viewpoint at least. Like, you can decide if someone becomes the de facto ruler of the empire in the storyline of one class, which is pretty major, but it won't really change your own story much.

[AssaultHamster]

Are you a wizard?

[noobcake]

I wouldn't care so much, if I could actually find a bug report function in the game - am I missing it, or is this something I have to go and post on their forum?

part of the "OMG I HIT F12, PETITION WINDOW DIDNT COME UP, SO I CANT BE BOTHERED TO LOOK FOR THE FUNCTION" crew?

[evil edna]

so far i think this games pretty fun but i dont see why its an mmo

[FatFreddy]

because money

[noobcake]

so far i think this games pretty fun but i dont see why its an mmo

yeh, unless they make some massive changes, my initial 30 days of game play will be my only 30 days of game play. I never really got why single player games are now being pushed to the MMO scene. It wreaks of greed, and insults my intelligence that a company thinks they can get me to pay 15 dollars a month to play what amounts to nothing more than a single player game with the option to go co-op every now and then.

[Lilalaunebör]

Started a Rep Commando female, either its FemShep voiceactor or someone sounding very similar. Together with being able to threaten to shoot off an informants fingers if he doesnt talk 30 mins into the game (hey im rp'ing an efficient elite commando not a nanny), i think ive found the class ill play through with.

[Skeptic]

Yeah I agree with a lot of whats said about it not really living up to its mmo label. Cant be fucked to find groups for instances, so far only one of my mates is 50 so we just occasionally hit up battlegrounds which are not very interesting. He went to the raid in a pug and said it was laughable how easy it was on the normal mode or whatever they call it, not convinced. Great fun to level up and if it was not costing a monthly fee would certainly go through the various storylines. They need to really, really beef up the endgame from what I have seen/ heard from reliable sources.

[Aramendel]

It wreaks of greed, and insults my intelligence that a company thinks they can get me to pay 15 dollars a month to play what amounts to nothing more than a single player game with the option to go co-op every now and then.

Depends, I rather play (and pay for) such a game than a "traditional" MMORPG with lvling up to max AFAP and then "enjoying" the end game grind in its various forms. While the content lasts, of course. Once I am bored of the game and/or have every basic class to 50 I will be "lolbye".


I mean, if you play a char from 1 to 50 the content you get would be - even if you remove the bits where you are running...running...running - perfectly fine for one single player game. And that leaves 1 totally different playthrough on the other side which is contentwise another single player game and then 6 other class stories which you could classify as expansion packs.
So it's not like 1 SP-RPG vs SWTOR but more like ~3 SP-RPGs vs SWTOR from the total (singleplayer) content you have in there. That is worth my suscriptions for a few months, although not much more.

[Ishanda]

Started a Rep Commando female, either its FemShep voiceactor or someone sounding very similar. Together with being able to threaten to shoot off an informants fingers if he doesnt talk 30 mins into the game (hey im rp'ing an efficient elite commando not a nanny), i think ive found the class ill play through with.

Yes it is Jennifer Hale. A lot of other well-known voice actors do the other classes, as you can see in this handy image (http://imgur.com/PzN7T).

[Aramendel]

I was toying with calling my female Trooper "Shephard".

[DevilDude]

yeah there's a lot of good voice actors, for instance the guy that voiced Batou from the ghost in the shell dubs is a cop on courascant.

[Jags]

Re: swearing. Was reported twice today , once for saying fuck in a public channel and for calling the guy a cunt who reported me :D Expecting a ban and game will be binned if i am.

Decent game , never in a million years a MMO as even at level 36 you can only have 4 in a group. Guild ive joined seem a cool bunch of guys even though most are ex-WOW and are so in love with that game they hate me calling it out as childish :D

[FatFreddy]

guys im playing star wars wow

wow is childish

[spasm]

I don't feel like reading through 37 pages. Is this game worth getting?

[Alistair]

so far i think this games pretty fun but i dont see why its an mmo

Monthly Subs for EA/Bio.

PvP Battlegrounds and Auction House for Players.

Thats about it.

[Itiken]

I don't feel like reading through 37 pages. Is this game worth getting?

yeah it's alright imo. bit flaky her and there, but generally very polished unless you're cool and edgy.

[spasm]

Origin can take up to 24 hours to process your order. :psyduck::psyduck::psyduck::psyduck::psyduck:

[ScaryTrollScaringYou]

I don't feel like reading through 37 pages. Is this game worth getting?
just read through this page

[Sparq]

I wouldn't care so much, if I could actually find a bug report function in the game - am I missing it, or is this something I have to go and post on their forum?

part of the "OMG I HIT F12, PETITION WINDOW DIDNT COME UP, SO I CANT BE BOTHERED TO LOOK FOR THE FUNCTION" crew?It's almost like you're talking about another game that I don't play anymore.

I looked for it, I couldn't find it. That was why I asked.

[Daco]

It's funny with what happened at the start of Act 2 for the Imperial Agent I am actually feeling quite bitter towards the Republic with what happened...

Needless to say I am enjoying the story.

[noobcake]

I wouldn't care so much, if I could actually find a bug report function in the game - am I missing it, or is this something I have to go and post on their forum?

part of the "OMG I HIT F12, PETITION WINDOW DIDNT COME UP, SO I CANT BE BOTHERED TO LOOK FOR THE FUNCTION" crew?It's almost like you're talking about another game that I don't play anymore.

I looked for it, I couldn't find it. That was why I asked.


idk the big fucking question mark at the top of your screen was just...too ambiguous amirite?

http://i.imgur.com/Yjr66.png

[Shade Millith]

Getting banned prevents you from canceling subscription?

http://i.imgur.com/ZSOYo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/A4AE5.png

[Overspark]

I have to point out one thing that's really good about this game btw (especially for us browbeaten eve players). At launch it was in fairly good shape even though it obviously still had some bugs. But since launch we've had multiple patches a week (which download and auto-install in seconds on a decent internet connection) that actually fix stuff (although they sometimes reintroduce new or old bugs which sucks).

However, the best part is the reporting of bugs. You just create a ticket in a few clicks (no external websites and/or confusing shit needed) in the bug report category, type what's wrong, and get a reply in a couple of hours that a) they'll look into it or b) they already know about it and it'll be fixed in the next patch. Category A has resulted in fixes in a matter of days and since today was the first category B I expect it to be fixed very shortly too.

For an EVE player that's used to living with the most god-awful obvious bugs for years and having the few bug reports I've attempted all closed for stupid reasons this is a fairly shocking experience.

[Elgaris]

It's another WOW-like game. It lacks.the persistend and dynamic world that would make it an mmo.

Like wow its a plain multiplayer game. There is no need to interact with other players nor can you force another player to interact with you.

Its a game with an optional multiplayer part, but its not an mmo.