LOL - Meta/Counter

[cullnean]

A thread on meta/counter meta/pick/counter picking

ie/ best in class picks/counter picks, alternative counter meta for 5 man ranked/normal draft

why?

There are time when i see the current meta fail due to the other team just not playing to it (double Ap bot and stuff! arggghh the poke it burns/Holy shit get a restraining order on that garen!)

add to the brain trust!

[mira o'karr]

well i guess double ap/ad is the new bot meta, isnt it?
ever since rock solids GP support?
or blitz/ali support which you dont really need to play classic soraka 0 CS any more.
even taric tank is against the classic ad/support meta

or am i totally off?

i think new meta is a support roam and solo (mostly) bot?

[FUzziBabes]

The meta is a support + AD Bot, but not soraka, the support has to have some kind of aggressive strength taric/Ali excel at this but I'm quite liking Sona who I need to start playing again, that extra DAMAGE from her Q passive is hilarious on the likes of Kog/Cait/Vayne.

I want to start playing Roam Poppy too, the one game I saw that she won it for the team although our bot lane was pretty fucking awful because we took morde and he is nerfed to shit

Oh also counter jungling, get a ward put it on their blue/lizard. When it respawns be nearby to try and smite steal/gank with your team, always fun stealing blue/red constantly from the enemy.
Just a note when counter jungling, please don't overstay your welcome, see so many people trying to counter jungle and end up being 3 man ganked, remember if you are in the enemy jungle your team is a large distance away to try and save you and by staying there too long you are pretty much giving a free kill/your double buff.
Counter jungling can extend to just smiting a big wraith/killing all but one creep in a spawn, as it gives you a slight advantage and they have to kill the last one to reset it.

[cmi]

Was Taric with Ashe yesterday vs Ali+MF. Wow dat Ali heal. Spammable, the mana was not an issue for him either. Poor Ashe, I just couldn't do shit the first few levels, but trying to save her with stun and heal her every 20(!) seconds (I play him with CDR rune page so it's ~18 seconds) for the same amount as Ali AOE heals every 12 seconds. Lucklily team was carried by q-stacked tank Nasus later.

[Hor'azon]

Alistar heal cd is reduced everytime a minion dies, so yeah, compared to taric's mechanic ( reduced everytime he autoattack), it can be pretty spammy when youre bottom lane with an AP carry with a strong aoe aility.

[Zekk Pacus]

Ali heal is actually pretty strong in lane, it looks bad but it's ridiculously spammable AND it's AoE (you can fuck up some last hits chronic with well-timed heal). I'm not great at support tbh it's one of my weakest roles but I want to learn support Ali.

Anyway, basically the way to counter the current meta is take two agressive champs botlane with a bit of burst. Only thing is you kinda have to play that lane like you want kills - if you try and just farm the lane out you end up way behind because of 2 champs taking farm vs 1. Roaming meta is coming back a bit, and way more agressive supports (carry still takes 90% of last hits) like Gangplank/Nunu.

[cmi]

had some hilarious duolane in one match: sion + blitz. oh the rage :D grab, bump, stun, boom.

about ali: yeah was probably best counter plus obv premade. i mean, i tried to hit some minions for lower cd, but they were zoning us so good. mf using her bounce shot on minion next to ashe or me and just see your health drop by x and then heal for 60hp.. yay. ashe got dorans so not a great help either (thats why i like to go boots + pots even when playing carry). so yeah wp by them.

[cullnean]

Roaming meta is coming back a bit

when im next on i want to put the roaming meta in action, but we need a super strong solo bot? or is some one who once lvl5-6 can handle duo bot on there own?

also how to keep the roamer on par with the single lanes and jungler?

prefered roamers?

so far i see allister/poppy/twitch possibly shaco(roaming and boxing enemy jungle for annoyance?)

[FUzziBabes]

Poppy/kayle I believe are kings of roaming

I don't really know who can hold a 1v2 lane at bottom...The only people tanky enough are melee and will get fucked by zoning

[Bluemajere]

Poppy/kayle I believe are kings of roaming

I don't really know who can hold a 1v2 lane at bottom...The only people tanky enough are melee and will get fucked by zoning

chogath and galio are best for it.

NOTE THAT CERTAIN BOT LANE COMPS WILL JUST OWN IF PUT 1V2, NOTABLY CAIT/TARIC ALWAYS BEATS ANY ONE PERSON NO MATTER WHAT.

NO
MATTER
WHAT.

Anyways, chogath and galio stand the best chance of being able to 1v2 bot and come out of it okay.

[FUzziBabes]

Yeah I guess roaming is only a situational thing for example ashe soraka bot lane you can be like lol leave my teammate to 1v2 he can rape np

but against good duos at bot they will get fucked in the ass

[Lilalaunebör]

In my mind the thing is, you have to punish the 2v1 players early on for thinking "lol i can zone this fucker easy", 2-man gank botlane twice in the first 4 minutes and they will think twice before getting agressive again. Expecting any one champ to dominate 1v2 on his own is stupid, if youre going jungle + roam you have to actually, you know, roam.

[cullnean]

so the meta works if they are doing it too?

[Zekk Pacus]

No, you can 1v2. Just gank the lane early so they can't play agressive without being scared of more ganks. And the constant roaming is kind of over, but some champs are well suited to dipping in and out of lane all the time.

[cullnean]

No, you can 1v2. Just gank the lane early so they can't play agressive without being scared of more ganks. And the constant roaming is kind of over, but some champs are well suited to dipping in and out of lane all the time.

thats what im mulling over mate, will try some roaming poppy tomorrow night be there or be Square

[FUzziBabes]

words

You seem to be forgetting that any competent support takes 3 wards at level 1, if they see the enemy team has no support but a very well known roamer (poppy, ali etc) they are going to ward that river and CV the crap out of bushes, only a complete retard would not see that the enemy has a roamer instantly.
I don't think there is anyone remotely close to being strong enough 1v2 that makes it worth while instead of going with the normal meta, unless of course top/mid are complete retards and just diaf to the roamer but thats a different story.

I really feel the roaming meta is over with the AD carry/support at bottom, supports taking wards at level 1 and always having CV on your team, sure it might make the top and middle lane play a bit safer until they back and get a ward but roaming is sooooo situational, even versus a terrible bot lane (idk like twitch and soraka or something) versus Galio/Cho Gath, the ad carry/support is still going to give them such a hard time to get any CS without burning tonnes of gold on pots.

Maybe when we do some FHC 5 mans we should give a roamer + solo bottom a try and see how successful it is, but I can't see it working in the current meta, while watching the IEM China livestream there was one game where each side had a 1v2, I think it was Galio vs Kog and Janna and Morgana vs Caitlyn and taric or something like that, the solos got zoned so ridiculously hard it was just tragic :3

[Lilalaunebör]

I admit it may not work or be worth it, if the other team plays well. Thats a p big if though, and apart from that roaming is simply more fun to me than the static botlane crap.
At least in the games im playing atm, saying a pushed botlane is ungankable in a 2v2 + jungle setup is far from true.

[evil edna]

it wont work vs a competent and organised team

[Zekk Pacus]

But we got stomped by roam Sio....yeah, if you're organised it's easier to counter.

[evil edna]

well we didnt ward enough when they started, thats why it worked. we shoulda just warded as soon as he roamed and then dont give him kills