[PVP] Absolution

[Karok Vilneram]

i have been loving this beast of a ship lately. Harbinger on steroids and cheaper then a Legion. Command Ships lvl V and HG Slaves make this ship a Raging Beserker on the Battlefield.

[Absolution, PvP Buffer]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
[empty high slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Warrior II x5

This setup works great if you have RR handy or are working in high or low sec like I do and can repair easy.

I get 203k EHP with my HG slaves and Legion fleet booster in system.
All level V's are
120,898 EHP
Em 81.3/Th 87.5/Ki 82.5/Ex 88.8
691 dps
922 m/s



I would like to see a fit like this with a cap injector though as a couple nuets screw me over.

[Suleiman Shouaa]

Surely you mean a Thermic Hardener instead of an Explosive Hardener right? The Absolution already has fantastic explosive resist (77.5% default), whereas its thermal resist is a bit low (51.1%).

If you use a Faction Hardener to save CPU (costs like 20m), you can squeeze on a small nos - won't keep your guns firing under heavy neutting but at that point you're pretty buggered without incoming energy transfers anyway.

[Karok Vilneram]

Oh sorry yeah Thermal hardener

[FatFreddy]

If you want to make this pastable into EFT for dudes, you should change the Thermal into Thermic :]

[prometheus]

http://i.imgur.com/r9M66.jpg

Works great.

[felix-arb]

i used to fly this allot

[Absolution, New Setup 1]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Small Nosferatu II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I


Hobgoblin II x5

these days i dont really fly it, i have one kicking around somewhere so might give it a go again

[whispous]

Personally I would replace the nanobot with a second aux nano. The cap isn't very great on this for active tank.

Also you NEED to have some exile with you. (not synth)

[felix-arb]

Personally I would replace the nanobot with a second aux nano. The cap isn't very great on this for active tank.

Also you NEED to have some exile with you. (not synth)
yeh, i think exile is a given or at least i hope it would be

[Suleiman Shouaa]

What I've been flying recently with my Loki booster trying to get some decent fraps with.

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/3633/absolutionshatterpercep.jpg

Basically, its my Shield Harbinger mkII - more DPS, better range and tracking, slightly faster, has a (faction) web fitted and can squeeze on a medium neut with no problems. Main disadvantage is the lowered ehp (which is mostly in armor) and the smaller drone bay. I am considering playing around with the lows and rigs though - replace the 3rd TE with a nanofiber and swap a polycarbon to a T2 RoF rig for example.

Shield Canes are of course no problem - they can only really hit me with Barrage at the range I kite (>25km) and at that range, their DPS is pitiful. HML Drakes are fairly easy as well to gank down - I've taken one to armor before he took off my shields!

Targets do seem to underestimate me like mad though - I caught a Tengu (http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10574744) running a FW mission who couldn't believe that I could keep up with him (with no implants). Had to slow down the DPS so my corpmate could try and whore on the mail, but we had already travelled 150km+ off the warpin so no luck!

The DPS is really mental though - with the help of a friendly Cane we almost ganked down a max tank Tengu under sentries before he could deaggro - he jumped through in half armor! Also it's great for picking off frigates - I've nailed a Firetail in 7 seconds from lock to death, with me opening fire on him from 45km away. He had two Vagabonds, a Rapier and a Falcon with him but I was smashing the Vaga easily but messed up and let him escape when his gangmates were 200km off!

Oh yeah, it also works in gangs fairly well (http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10575775) - just keep your distance! I was initial bait/tackle and they originally had a Bhaalgorn on grid as well as Absolution/Drake/Drake/Cane but was able to keep them all interested fairly well, dropping to 80% armor or so. We almost broke their Guardian pair with sheer DPS, with me doing most of the legwork (Absolution/Cane with RF Fusion/Drake with Scourge) when they landed, but I had to burn out my guns when he was at 20% armor like an idiot so we had to disengage. :(


Great fun, you guys should try it! Now, just to get Snakes (again) to make this baby shine..

[Tyrus Tenebros]

At those ranges why are you not running an LSE or something? I understand that the web will help in certain situations but something resembling a shield tank is probably desirable too.


Also a base speed of 1250m/s is really ONLY going to shine with a loki booster + snakes. With the pitiful EHP and bad speed it's simply nonfunctional without pouring a lot of isk in to it.

A competent set of 3-4 ships will bring you down absurdly fast.


I understand the niche you're trying to run, and why it will work in CERTAIN situations, but I simply don't believe it's a viable day-to-day combat fit.

[Suleiman Shouaa]

At those ranges why are you not running an LSE or something? I understand that the web will help in certain situations but something resembling a shield tank is probably desirable too.


Also a base speed of 1250m/s is really ONLY going to shine with a loki booster + snakes. With the pitiful EHP and bad speed it's simply nonfunctional without pouring a lot of isk in to it.

A competent set of 3-4 ships will bring you down absurdly fast.

I understand the niche you're trying to run, and why it will work in CERTAIN situations, but I simply don't believe it's a viable day-to-day combat fit.

An LSE adds pitiful EHP - only 6k EHP and thus IMO isn't worth losing the massive utility of the web - its useful for dictating range against other nano-ships, can be used to lock them down and allows for frigates to be shredded very easily by the guns.

Meh, the speed is fast enough IMO to engage multiple BCs - its very similiar to the Shield Harbinger except that most people will be running AWAY from you since they expect you to be a brawler. The EHP is not that much lower than my normal Shield Harbinger (39k vs 45k), which had no problem engaging multiple BCs and knocking one or two down, even without links. Add those in and you have something truly fearsome - the first decent fight I had in this ship was against a Cyclone, Drake, Drake and Taranis. I 3 volleyed the Taranis on the approach, even though he tried to spiral in and had to kept the Cyclone go in hull as a nano-Tempest landed. The Drakes couldn't really dent me - the combination of my speed and resists meant I was taking very little damage from them.

As I said, don't knock it before you try it. The high EM damage at range means that you drive off other "nano" ships absurdly quickly - my only real fear is of course Recons. Multiple Artillery Hurricanes as well as Amarr Battleships would be an issue, but that's the case for every single nano ship out there (with the exception of the 100mn tengu) so I see (and have seen) it work pretty well in day to day skirmishes.

[Rania Serlia]

I'm really not seeing why you'd do a nano abso when a nano-shield harby is 80% effective(more if you use medium damage drones instead of ecm) whilst having more ehp and costing 1/6th as much, while the slight boost in optimal and tracking is situation at best. If you dropped one of the shield mods on a harby you could fit a web easily if you fancy.
It's 13 m/s faster(with polycarbons) than a harby with a single nano and shield rigs, which is hardly enough to pay the premium for IMO.

[Suleiman Shouaa]

I'm really not seeing why you'd do a nano abso when a nano-shield harby is 80% effective(more if you use medium damage drones instead of ecm) whilst having more ehp and costing 1/6th as much, while the slight boost in optimal and tracking is situation at best. If you dropped one of the shield mods on a harby you could fit a web easily if you fancy.
It's 13 m/s faster(with polycarbons) than a harby with a single nano and shield rigs, which is hardly enough to pay the premium for IMO.

Boosting the optimal and tracking is not situational at least - it is useful for practically any engagement I've had so far.

The main thing tbh is the suprise factor - most people just don't expect me to outrun them - I fought a Heretics gang of 3 Ruptures and a Caracal and manage to get away (without links) after my Scorch crystals broke and I wasted too much time ungrouping guns etc.

[Tyrus Tenebros]

Boosting the optimal and tracking is not situational at least - it is useful for practically any engagement I've had so far.

The main thing tbh is the suprise factor - most people just don't expect me to outrun them - I fought a Heretics gang of 3 Ruptures and a Caracal and manage to get away (without links) after my Scorch crystals broke and I wasted too much time ungrouping guns etc.if you didnt die to that they've fallen prey to the typical trap of a full gang of longrang points without a proper engagement, disengagement, and trap methodology.

Congrats!!! I once saw an 11vs3 fight end with 8 kills no losses for the 3 side. It doesnt mean, necessarily, that we owned, it also involved them suckingg.

...as i said before, I'm not at all saying the surprise factor isnt important, just that a proper fight would result in massive death

[Suleiman Shouaa]

if you didnt die to that they've fallen prey to the typical trap of a full gang of longrang points without a proper engagement, disengagement, and trap methodology.

Congrats!!! I once saw an 11vs3 fight end with 8 kills no losses for the 3 side. It doesnt mean, necessarily, that we owned, it also involved them suckingg.

...as i said before, I'm not at all saying the surprise factor isnt important, just that a proper fight would result in massive death

The overheated Faction Web + my own speed got me out of that, there is no doubt.

I have fought several gangs in the Absolution so far, what typically happens is that I kill their tacklers and then the rest tend to wise up and not go after me.

Saying that I have fought possibly the worst fight for this ship - Falcon/Rapier/Vaga/Vaga and MWD Frigate and came out on top (Firetail died, drove one Vaga off but should have killed him) so it is actually viable with a bit of sensible piloting.

As I keep saying, fly it and then compare it to a Shield Harbinger. You can feel the increased DPS at range very readily and that faction web is amazing. Also, Drakes who only shoot Kinetic at you (there's strangely quite a few) are very easy to take down.

[Dan Pyre]

Dammit Suleiman I really really want to use that now, but no Loki booster here :(

[felix-arb]

yeh but more dps more ehp slightly less range

[Harbinger, New Setup 1]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x5

[Suleiman Shouaa]

Dammit Suleiman I really really want to use that now, but no Loki booster here :(

You can go without the Booster - just fly with LG Snakes and pimp it out with a Faction Warp Disruptor and maybe T2 rigs. The web will be much less useful (25km -> 18km overheated) but it should work.


yeh but more dps more ehp slightly less range

[Harbinger, New Setup 1]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x5

You're using Hammerhead IIs, so hardly a fair comparison for a kiting ship. HINT: Valkyries >> Hammerheads for a Shield Harbinger. With those, the DPS difference is so small (8) that with heat or if your drones don't hit for full damage, my Absolution does more. And guess what, they won't since drones don't hit for full damage even vs MWD Battlecruisers unless they're webbed!

EHP difference is negligible - 2k or so.

So your Harbinger does (ideally) the same DPS as my Absolution except

A) You're slower (a whole 13m/s!)
B) You have no Neut
C) To get the same DPS as my Absolution you have to use (medium) damage drones, thus you have no ECM drones or Warriors and a single Dramiel will be a big problem.

Great job, to make a Shield Harbinger do what my Absolution does, you're taking away it's only real advantages - its 4th mid allowing for substantially more EHP and its bigger drone bay.

[felix-arb]

although this is an abso thread id go with nighthawk everytime for what you want to do

[Suleiman Shouaa]

although this is an abso thread id go with nighthawk everytime for what you want to do

Absolution does more DPS and is better at killing enemy interceptors who don't charge you. It also has a neut (I suppose that's counteracted by the fact the Nighthawk can be fit with dual webs ala Podla Drake style).

Also again, the Nighthawk does have a reputation of kiting, which is probably the funniest thing about my Absolution - people run away from me which is great.

[Shiodome]

I think we can agree that it's a terrible setup that works because people expect something else :D

[Tyrus Tenebros]

I think we can agree that it's a terrible setup that works because people expect something else :DI'm pretty much +1 here.


To provide content for a post in a forum that isnt ass yet, and to elaborate: yes, we understand why it works. To recommend it as a successful fit.... ok it deserves some debate but realistically a competent opponent would trash you.

Frankly, 1300m/s (roughly!) are simply NOT enough to perform as a kite ship beyond the initial shock value.

[Suleiman Shouaa]

I'm pretty much +1 here.


To provide content for a post in a forum that isnt ass yet, and to elaborate: yes, we understand why it works. To recommend it as a successful fit.... ok it deserves some debate but realistically a competent opponent would trash you.

Frankly, 1300m/s (roughly!) are simply NOT enough to perform as a kite ship beyond the initial shock value.

Shield Harbingers/Canes work (1300m/s roughly!) so I don't see your point. Meh, this works better vs light support then either of them.

[Shiroi Okami]

Absolution does more DPS and is better at killing enemy interceptors who don't charge you. It also has a neut (I suppose that's counteracted by the fact the Nighthawk can be fit with dual webs ala Podla Drake style).

Also again, the Nighthawk does have a reputation of kiting, which is probably the funniest thing about my Absolution - people run away from me which is great.

O.O People seriously pull range against an absolution? That's so retarded, even with an armour fit it will out dps anything bar a sleipnir at 20-24km. There's only one thing to do when facing a ship with bad cap and bad tracking, brawl dat shit.

That said the nano abso is all right in theory, but I do agree that the harb is much better bang for your buck. I do love my shield harbs

Edit: tyrus 1300ms is plenty fast enough to

A) kill vagabonds and other nanoshit

B) Escape blobs

C) Control range vs other battlecruisers

[jockothemonkey]

Goes 1200 ms, 480dps with scorch and about 80k ehp. If you want to kite this would probably work better than the shield setup.
[Absolution, New Setup 1]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

[whispous]

Goes 1200 ms, 480dps with scorch and about 80k ehp. If you want to kite this would probably work better than the shield setup.
[Absolution, New Setup 1]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

Wow.

[ry ry]

is 1600plate+2polys+nano not a bit.. uuh.. counter productive?

besides 1200m/s is slow enough you could still kite that in a dual nano drake or whatevs.

[Smuggo]

Ban Augusts.

[ry ry]

edit. ignore i dun derped.

[Rania Serlia]

Surprised there was no absolution thread. Prophecy thread made me do it.

This is the fit I used to run. In the time I flew them, I never lost an absolution in combat(though I've lost more than one to my various alliances being bad at holding outposts), but I did have a couple that got saved by :falcon: or more rarely :triage:. This may also be in part to largely flying it only with people in Astartes and Sleipnirs.

[Absolution, Dualrep]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I


Hornet II x5

511/654 tanked, 639/817 w/imp. exile, 1422/1819 with imp exile and legion. From actual combat time in it, cap stability is an issue here for sure. 701/792 damage dealt. Before you point and laugh, I did have one that was plated. I flew it once. It's already a bit sluggish with armor rigs, with a plate it's a friggin brick.

[Lallante]

Beam-solution. Would it work? How to fit? Is it useful?

[Daneel Trevize]

[Absolution, beams?!]

Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Warp Disruptor II

Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I


Warrior II x5

So, no, just bring an Amarr BS? Also have more drones & cap.

[Vortex]

Beam-solution. Would it work? How to fit? Is it useful?

TBH, beams suck unless your talking about sniper zealots (which I'm not sure if anyone uses anymore?), or tachyons. In the first instance, you're relying on the quad bonus towards lasers on the zealot to make the beams worth fitting, on the second instance, you're relying on the massive damage output of tachyons, even at extreme range, to make them worth fitting. I can't really think of any other instance where beams are good.


For point of comparison, Megapulse lasers with Scorch L have 95% the effective tracking of Heavy Beam Aurora, but somewhere around double the damage output at similar range. Sure you're firing a bit farther with Aurora M, but uh, who cares about your 300 dps at 60km? Besides, if you wanted to be shooting in the 60-80km range, an Apoc would do it a whole lot better. The Oracle further puts a damper on mid-range beam ships, as the Oracle is 1) massive DPS and 2) fast enough to stay at range. So you can chillax at 50-60km with your 2x TE Scorch L Oracle and do well above double the dps of that absolution, and with better tracking and speed (and far less ship cost).

[felix-arb]

so i used to fly this ship all the time, lost allot of dual rep ones mostly due to cap issues and such, but that was before the time of every enemy yould be facing was hurricanes

anyway was looking to make this more viable so i came up with something a little more fotm, ive not had the chance to try it yet but its sat in jita ready to go..


[Absolution, New Setup 1]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Corpii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25
Dark Blood Warp Disruptor

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Light Missile

Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II

Warrior II x5


its really based around having loki links goes 1500ms with 30k pulses a little active tank to mop up the damage and about 60kehp. 662 dps at 32k 888 at 11k

i also have lg snakes which pushes it up too 1700ms which is nice


as for beams they havnt really worked on abso's since locus rig nerf (re: nano nerf)

[Suleiman Shouaa]

You want a neut or a web (or ideally both) to deal with enemy frigates - tracking of HPLs is terrible <5km.

[felix-arb]

You want a neut or a web (or ideally both) to deal with enemy frigates - tracking of HPLs is terrible <5km.

lowsec ftw

[Suleiman Shouaa]

You want a neut or a web (or ideally both) to deal with enemy frigates - tracking of HPLs is terrible <5km.

lowsec ftw

Enjoy fighting only within 150km of a gate in every system + station games then.....?

[Helen]

[Absolution, armor CS]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
[empty high slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I / Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I (if running WITHOUT armor links)
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


151k EHP w/Legion Links
548 Dps @ 26+6.5 w/scorch + optimal (heats to 630)
767 Dps @ 7.5+5 w/Conflag + tracking (Heats to 882)

Solid Resists of 86.1,82,87,91.7 Under Legion Link w/2x Trimark
W/o Legion Links: 81.3,80.5,82.5,88.8 w/1x Trimark 1x Thermal (98.9k EHP)

Basically, if you can't fly/afford a proteus/legion for pimpstah armor t3 fleets(you better upgrade those EANMs to faction too), and can't/don't want to fly a guardian, this is your boat so you don't get laughed off comms by bringing a ~zealot~ :lol:

Obviously a very fleet-centric ship, I haven't found a soloing setup I like except for a terribru nano one that is generally obsolete when compared to oracles in one way, and is inferior to another ship when compared in a different way.

[Vehlin]

This is used almost exclusively in small gang WH engagements and so is the ship providing Armour bonus (a Damnation would be a waste of DPS).

The point could be swapped out for a scram if that's your thing, it's entirely personal choice. The Abso's limited CPU and Grid makes it almost impossible to fit 6 T2 guns and a T2 link without killing the tank thus the single Focused.

[Absolution, WH PvP Link]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Warrior II x5

ME-805, Armored Warfare Mindlink, EG-603.

912 DPS with 126k EHP.
You can up the ANPs to A-Type and get 140k EHP if you wanted to drop the isk on it.

[Daneel Trevize]

DPS + EHP 4lyfe, homie :companioncube:

Mixed guns iz da shizzle, fuck da haters!

But seriously, probably 1 of the reasons I never lost a Proteus, with CS5 that thing is a close support beast.

[Faydes]

I recently got told my fit SUCKED(by scottyb)....I present to you a comparison between our 2 absolution fits.

Comments/Criticism enjoyed

http://i.imgur.com/6UCrGPd.jpg

[Shin_getter]

huh, afterburner and long point and no web is ??? What is it suppose to do?

[Faydes]

huh, afterburner and long point and no web is ??? What is it suppose to do?

now you understand my :? when he vehemently told me i sucked.

[Lallante]

I recently got told my fit SUCKED(by scottyb)....I present to you a comparison between our 2 absolution fits.

Comments/Criticism enjoyed

http://i.imgur.com/6UCrGPd.jpg

Scotty's fit is terrible And expensive

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[W0lf Crendraven]

Both fits are terrible, the end (the ab one is even worse tho).

[sharptoast]

Seems like the one on the left is OK, not sure why your running mixed guns/small neut when theres shedloads of grid left though.

Also T2 the damage rig.

[W0lf Crendraven]

Seems like the one on the left is OK,

How so, it has no range control and the stats of a cheap battleship.

[OrangeAfroMan]

Fit on right is hella bad, fit on left maybe needs MAAR instead of MAR II and equal tier guns.

[sharptoast]

Seems like the one on the left is OK,

How so, it has no range control and the stats of a cheap battleship.

Seems like it would be hard to get any form of range control on a boat with only 2 spare mids, sub par tracking and need for an injector anyways.

On that basis it doesnt seem *that* bad, definitely could be improved though

[whispous]

Lokking forward to combat CS having something over BCs soon

telephone

[Warmenhoven]

Med NOS, MAAR, web?

[Faydes]

Fit on right is hella bad, fit on left maybe needs MAAR instead of MAR II and equal tier guns.

THank you for the feedback on the left fit, the equal tier guns i can only fit 1 more heavy pulse II vs focused mp due to grid, i realized that after...oops lol, so i end up wiht 3/3, and as to the maar thank you for that, i forgot about those to be honest. I am rather recently returned to the game and didnt read the patch notes for that...doh.

Ill also T2 the Damage rig =)

[Larkonis Trassler]

Both are shit.

[OrangeAfroMan]

Fitting all FMPs might let you fit a medium nos or neut.

[Warmenhoven]

[Absolution, Prom]

Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I
Medium Energy Collision Accelerator II


Warrior II x5


Maybe?

[Faydes]

[Absolution, Prom]

Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I
Medium Energy Collision Accelerator II


Warrior II x5


Maybe?

if you get neuted you are dead. so a web doesn't work.

[Warmenhoven]

[Absolution, Prom]

Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I
Medium Energy Collision Accelerator II


Warrior II x5


Maybe?

if you get neuted you are dead. so a web doesn't work.

That's what the medium NOS is there for

[root]

Why not a scram? So people don't burn out of NOS range.

[Warmenhoven]

Was seriously considering it, in practice it may be better but it does mean that you're limiting yourself to driving off things not in scram range rather than killing them.

(talking about things at 15k or so having to burn out to 28k+ first rather than just getting to warp off straight away.)

[OrangeAfroMan]

Long point seems fine since you shouldn't solo in one of these

[Warmenhoven]

alternatively, as it seems he's willing to splash out, grab an A-Type nos for (almost) best of both worlds.