[PVP] Hound

[Podcat]

solo pvp fit:

[Hound, Podcat's Hound]
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Faint Warp Disruptor I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II

774 dps with heat

[Tyrus Tenebros]

My variant on that. Cheaper Co-Pro (when I bought it, anyways), longer point:
Online Cov-Cyno if you find something juicy

[Hound, ABT2Gank]
'Deuce' Co-Processor I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

1MN Afterburner II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Warp Disruptor II

Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Covert Cynosural Field Generator I /OFFLINE
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II

[Girt]

I've had some fun in this:

[Hound, Solo]
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Coreli C-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Small Capacitor Booster II,Cap Booster 75

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher,Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher,Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher,Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Bomb Launcher I

Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I

Its a fit by a guy called Valadeya uthanaras, thought is was worth posting here. He wrote up a nice guide on the eve-0 forums explaining the theory behind it, can dig it out if anyone cares..

Got some nice kills using it but died hilariously at first. Still undecided on bombs, electron for the potential 0% hole or shrapnel for the extra bonus?

[Intigo]

no love for me, morel? :'(


I've had some fun in this:

[Hound, Solo]
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Coreli C-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Small Capacitor Booster II,Cap Booster 75

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher,Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher,Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher,Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Bomb Launcher I

Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I

Its a fit by a guy called Valadeya uthanaras, thought is was worth posting here. He wrote up a nice guide on the eve-0 forums explaining the theory behind it, can dig it out if anyone cares..

Got some nice kills using it but died hilariously at first. Still undecided on bombs, electron for the potential 0% hole or shrapnel for the extra bonus?

yeah that fit is pretty bad

and use shrapnel vs most things, explosive is an awesome damage type - I always used Hound over Purifier, did fine vs ravens too
can't kill Drakes but who the fuck wants to kill fucking Drakes anyway?

[Girt]

yeah that fit is pretty bad

Bad as in good or bad as in bad?

Have killed a drake in this but only because I wiped out his drones with a well timed bomb that dropped most of his shield. In fairness he was terrible but Drakes are definatly worth trying tbh.

[Smuggo]

I assume he means just bad. MWD sig bloom + paper-thin tank = ungood.

[Helen]

I don't think you guys get Intigo he doesn't post setups he judges setups. :monocledowns:

[Intigo]

just bad, yes.


I don't think you guys get Intigo he doesn't post setups he judges setups. :monocledowns:

stop crying, baby, not my fault you're bad at EVE - my fit is in the OP

[Girt]

just bad, yes.

Fair enough, was just offering up something different. I agree Podcat's fit is great, will give it a try.

[Helen]

just bad, yes.


I don't think you guys get Intigo he doesn't post setups he judges setups. :monocledowns:

stop crying, baby, not my fault you're bad at EVE - my fit is in the OP

Your fit or podcats? :obama:

[Fatyn]

OP podcat/intigo fit is probably obselete with the onboard scanner changes. You can drop the core probe launcher and free up 15 CPU for something like Tyrus' fit now.

Edit: although on Tyrus' fit I think I'd probably downgrade to faint warp disruptor so I could just go with Co-pro II. Depends how much you want to spend I guess!

[Intigo]

silly scanner changes

it was kinda neat having to use probes and shit

even probed out some mining sites and ganked hulks in my solo hound

sat on a whole melon once and it worked its way up to my large intestinal tract

[Tyrus Tenebros]

OP podcat/intigo fit is probably obselete with the onboard scanner changes. You can drop the core probe launcher and free up 15 CPU for something like Tyrus' fit now.

Edit: although on Tyrus' fit I think I'd probably downgrade to faint warp disruptor so I could just go with Co-pro II. Depends how much you want to spend I guess!
IMO the overheated point range can give you the critical extra few meters to stay a bit further out of range, particularly against BS that fit heavy neuts (most of them)

[Intigo]

silly scanner changes

it was kinda neat having to use probes and shit

even probed out some mining sites and ganked hulks in my solo hound

sat on a whole melon once and it worked its way up to my large intestinal tract

hey look, Helen is bitter about being bad at EVE

good thing you sucked enough cock to get moderator status in one subforum, Helen :D

[Helen]

silly scanner changes

it was kinda neat having to use probes and shit

even probed out some mining sites and ganked hulks in my solo hound

sat on a whole melon once and it worked its way up to my large intestinal tract

hey look, Helen is bitter about being bad at EVE

good thing you sucked enough cock to get moderator status in one subforum, Helen :D

I think you and me have different ideas of what being bad at eve is.

[Podcat]

haha :D
1. nice madmin
2. Helen you are pretty terrible when it comes to pvp fits
3. Intigo is seldom wrong when he smacks a fit, although that particular fit will work vs gun bs with medium drones (you outrun them).
4. who cares if a BS is heavy neuting you in the ab fit (the 1% of ratters who fit one) you can just spam the point. as long as you strike while it has some rat aggro it will die insanely fast, however the LR fit would get pwned by it. You usually try to get close in the ab fit the LR point is just to tackle from further away when you have to to grab someone as they try to escape.

good point about not needing probes anymore I guess you can fit a small AC instead for extra 25 dps or so for max manliness :)

[Helen]

Think everyone missed a boat here I never claimed my pvp fits are any good.
Although the way it works here is for people to be constructive about why its shit and not just sperg out.

[Darkopteron]

The Valadeya fit works (or worked) pretty well, I think he had around 80-90 solo BS kills with it. Never had any success with it myself, but that's down to my play style. Whereas Vala would sit afk-cloaked in one system all day, until targets get complacent, and he picks his targets carefully.

Cap booster counters neuts, lets him perma mwd to outrun cruise/large turrets/medium drones and orbit at safe range (i.e. not in web/scram range of a potential bait ship). The downside of his fit is that there's no buffer, so it massively limits what you can engage.

[Girt]

Never had any success with it myself, but that's down to my play style. Whereas Vala would sit afk-cloaked in one system all day, until targets get complacent, and he picks his targets carefully.

You don't have to cloak afk all day if thats not your style, personally I don't have the patience for that either. Maybe living in fountain I have been spoiled, there are so many pimped out shit fit retards floating about you wouldn't believe. If you're half decent with the D-scan your good to go.

Noticed the lack of love for the bombs in the other fits posted, surley the massive alpha can't just be ignored?


You usually try to get close in the ab fit the LR point is just to tackle from further away when you have to to grab someone as they try to escape.

We get hotdropped daily so burning into scram range of anything is very risky. I'm apprehensive of using the AB too, would you not die to the first semi competent bubble camp?

[Podcat]

Noticed the lack of love for the bombs in the other fits posted, surley the massive alpha can't just be ignored?


bombs take up precious cargo space for loot and hurt your overall dps, its also sometimes quite tricky to line up a shot. stuff tends to die so fast anyway with that kind of dps



You usually try to get close in the ab fit the LR point is just to tackle from further away when you have to to grab someone as they try to escape.

We get hotdropped daily so burning into scram range of anything is very risky. I'm apprehensive of using the AB too, would you not die to the first semi competent bubble camp?

never been hotdropped so far in the bomber and so far not caught in camps. its fairly hard to decloak a bomber, but it might be safer to run back into gate often. the main reason for the ab is because 90% of the time your target will be a missile boat and its hard to tank those otherwise, and the fact that you can pack more dps.

[Intigo]

you will die to smart Sabres

there are not many smart Sabres

[Podcat]

you will die to smart Sabres

there are not many smart Sabres

I havent seen a smart sabre in years. they have all become lazy from camping with 3 falcons.

[Hellkyte]

solo pvp fit:

[Hound, Podcat's Hound]
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Faint Warp Disruptor I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II

774 dps with heat

Trying to remember my fit and I don't have EFT handy (worthless I know) but:

If you drop the probe launcher and downgrade to 'Arbalests' you can drop the co-processor and put on a nanofiber, although it may require a meta BCU....can't remember. I almost never run a co-processor on mine.

Also, as per previous statements, Bomber w/out tank = dead.

[Intigo]

solo pvp fit:

[Hound, Podcat's Hound]
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Faint Warp Disruptor I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II

774 dps with heat

Trying to remember my fit and I don't have EFT handy (worthless I know) but:

If you drop the probe launcher and downgrade to 'Arbalests' you can drop the co-processor and put on a nanofiber, although it may require a meta BCU....can't remember. I almost never run a co-processor on mine.

Also, as per previous statements, Bomber w/out tank = dead.

do you have any idea how much DPS you lose?

hint: it's too much, the fit is based around maximized DPS - you're not tanking shit here, you're supposed to 3-shot their fucking armour

[Wrack]

If you drop the probe launcher and downgrade to 'Arbalests' you can drop the co-processor and put on a nanofiber, although it may require a meta BCU....can't remember. I almost never run a co-processor on mine.

Also, as per previous statements, Bomber w/out tank = dead.

do you have any idea how much DPS you lose?

hint: it's too much, the fit is based around maximized DPS - you're not tanking shit here, you're supposed to 3-shot their fucking armour

This is true, but for scrubs like me without torps 5, you might as well get some extra speed (you can still kill people with 500 dps).

[Hound, B-AB]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Overdrive Injector System II

Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner
Warp Disruptor II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
[empty high slot]
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst II

[Hellkyte]

Good point on the lost DPS. Part of the reason I run it w/ arbs is skills, other reason is that it dual purposes as an actual bomber so I only have to change 2 fittings (BCU to MAPC and point to TP) and I'm off. I think.

[Tyrus Tenebros]

Yeah but if you don't have torps V you lose ANOTHER significant chunk of DPS.

Torps V + Spec IV = 13% of your raw damage, on a highly damaging ammo type, that's a big chunk of multiplier. Add in Cov Ops IV instead of V and you're looking at massively decreased damage.

[Hellkyte]

Interesting. To be perfectly honest I haven't flown bombers a ton other than in actual bombing runs. Recently I've been wanting to do a "walkabout" in wormholes for a couple of days in a solo bomber. Glad I read this thread, good info in here (plus I will have to have the launcher so Podcats fit is perfect).

[Intigo]

ya it's not until you have a gander at the numbers that you realize how big of a difference covops V etc. is for bomber dps - I noticed a big difference when I got it on my alt

so much fun flying a maxed out Hound and killing some scrub Dominix in 2 volleys from 80% armor

[Chris Packet]

Sorry, but this is another fit that only flies with 3% PG implant. I like because I can roll T2 MSE, Launchers, and 24km Point, while not sacrificing much dps/tank. It's also a bit faster.

[Hound, Solo AB/MSE]
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

1MN Afterburner II
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Shield Extender II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Rage Torpedo

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II

914/1177 m/s, 584/687 dps with Bane Rage, and ~3.5k ehp. T2 rig is most expensive part, screw dem expensive Co-pros.

[Podcat]

there is no solo situation where you can use rage torps though unless you find an afk carrier and have a lot of ammo. if you want to save money skip the probe launcher, or have it offline or something.


[Hound, solo dps cheap]
Co-Processor II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

1MN Afterburner II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Faint Warp Disruptor I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]
Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Rage Torpedo

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II


does 658/774 dps with cal navy and 863 with hypothetical rage torps for comparison. In this ship your dps is your tank. numbers are using affordable (for this type of stuff anyway) 3% implants. also dont forget to bring crash boosters when shooting non-drake BCs

[Chris Packet]

I disagree, Rages don't effect your speed and only put a small increase on your sig rad (41 -> 46.8 on my fit) and do well hitting armor tanked BS (though somebody can probably prove me that CNs are better with numbers). Granted it is quite rare these days to find a BS as most guys I've caught in plexes being in Tengus or Ishtars (why I also prefer the Purifer in most solo situations). Good point with the crash, I never bothered with them in a bomber before.

[Wrack]

Math!

CN Bane: 658 DPS, 164.5 explo vel, 450 explo rad
Bane rage: 733 DPS, 141.4 explo vel, 650 explo rad

Apoc: 400 m radius
Raven: 450 m radius (active tanked)
Raven: 575 m radius (buffer tanked, 2 LSEs and 3 shield rigs)

Assuming the target won't be doing more than 140 m/s, adjusted DPS is just DPS * sig rad / explo rad. The sig radius where damage matches for the two types of torps is 583.5 m, so rage is only better for stuff larger than that, which means only capitals and MWDing stuff. On bombers with a painter, the cutoff point changes to 449 m, which turns into 583 when painted.

On the Apoc, CN does 585 DPS and rage does only 451 DPS.

Edit: Oh I forgot about crash... more math incoming:

Breakeven radius (below this radius, use CN, above use rage):
Standard crash: 467 m / 359 m
Improved crash: 438 m / 337 m
Strong crash: 408 m / 314 m
(red numbers = radius before adding 1 TP)

So basically only use rage if you're going to be using crash and a TP.

[Intigo]

Math!

CN Bane: 658 DPS, 164.5 explo vel, 450 explo rad
Bane rage: 733 DPS, 141.4 explo vel, 650 explo rad

Apoc: 400 m radius
Raven: 450 m radius (active tanked)
Raven: 575 m radius (buffer tanked, 2 LSEs and 3 shield rigs)

Assuming the target won't be doing more than 140 m/s, adjusted DPS is just DPS * sig rad / explo rad. The sig radius where damage matches for the two types of torps is 583.5 m, so rage is only better for stuff larger than that, which means only capitals and MWDing stuff.

On the Apoc, CN does 585 DPS and rage does only 451 DPS.

tl;dr:

don't listen to Chris, listen to podcat

tl:dr

stop making bad posts the guy thought RAGE were superior on BS until someone posted numbers he even said someone would probably prove him wrong so stop jerking off. - Helen

[Sparkus Volundar]

I disagree, Rages don't effect your speed and only put a small increase on your sig rad (41 -> 46.8 on my fit) and do well hitting armor tanked BS (though somebody can probably prove me that CNs are better with numbers). Granted it is quite rare these days to find a BS as most guys I've caught in plexes being in Tengus or Ishtars (why I also prefer the Purifer in most solo situations). Good point with the crash, I never bothered with them in a bomber before.

I think the problem is that the strong crash booster will only reduce Rage torp exp radius by 30% to 455m whereas CN torps start at 400m and only the Hyp, Baddon and Domi have sigs greater than 400 m. Then there's also the 14% lower exp velocity with Rage vs CN torps. So you can loose out on a good chunk of the 11.4% higher base damage.

Sparks

Edit...beaten :)

[Chris Packet]

Math!

CN Bane: 658 DPS, 164.5 explo vel, 450 explo rad
Bane rage: 733 DPS, 141.4 explo vel, 650 explo rad

Apoc: 400 m radius
Raven: 450 m radius (active tanked)
Raven: 575 m radius (buffer tanked, 2 LSEs and 3 shield rigs)

Assuming the target won't be doing more than 140 m/s, adjusted DPS is just DPS * sig rad / explo rad. The sig radius where damage matches for the two types of torps is 583.5 m, so rage is only better for stuff larger than that, which means only capitals and MWDing stuff. On bombers with a painter, the cutoff point changes to 449 m, which turns into 583 when painted.

On the Apoc, CN does 585 DPS and rage does only 451 DPS.

Edit: Oh I forgot about crash...

See I told you :D

Podcat: 1 - Chris Packet: 0

gfgfgfgf

[Hellkyte]

Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thruster
J5b Disruptor
ML2-3 shield extender

'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Bomb Launcher I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Nanofiber whatever it's called II
Ballistic Control System II
Micro Auxilliary Power Core

Rigs to taste (CPU to tight to fit DPS Rigs)


This is what I have been flying recently. I COMPLETELY agree about the extra DPS from the T2 launchers, but for what I have been doing the online bomb launcher is required. Basically I have been going into scrub ratting systems and just ganking ratters. These guys here are AMAZINGLY dumb. Last night they started doing a T1 Frigate Thunderdome, which one of our dudes went and bombed. We can just type "WARP TO PLANET 4 AT 0 I HAVE A MEGATHRON TACKLED" in local then set up 30 from the warp in and bomb them. Sometimes they will set up an HDF and then bubble themselves on the gate.

The bombs give us a lot of options for hitting different stuff, even when we are solo.

There's also the great advantage of being able to use it as an opener (clear drones) at the beginning of something that would normally be a much harder fight.

Edit: derped the fit a bit, you have to have a nano in there.

[cillisia]

there is no solo situation where you can use rage torps though unless you find an afk carrier and have a lot of ammo. if you want to save money skip the probe launcher, or have it offline or something.


[Hound, solo dps cheap]
Co-Processor II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

1MN Afterburner II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Faint Warp Disruptor I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]
Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Bane Rage Torpedo

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II


does 658/774 dps with cal navy and 863 with hypothetical rage torps for comparison. In this ship your dps is your tank. numbers are using affordable (for this type of stuff anyway) 3% implants. also dont forget to bring crash boosters when shooting non-drake BCs

Is there enough grid left on this fit to put a small gun of some kind on it, probably a 125mm ac to help deal with any drones that might come after you

[Girt]

Is there enough grid left on this fit to put a small gun of some kind on it, probably a 125mm ac to help deal with any drones that might come after you

Assuming your hitting ratting BC and above, I'd like to think your target will be dead by the time you get anywhere near killing his drones. Worth testing tho.