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Podcat
April 10 2011, 08:14:56 PM
[Drake, HAMs]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5

needs a 1% powergrid implant.


[Drake, HMLs]
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Invulnerability Field II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5


podla style nano drake:


[Drake, nanoez]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large Shield Extender II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5

Pacefalm
April 10 2011, 11:03:05 PM
[Drake, nanoez]
I'd switch an extender rig for a T2 EM resist. They aren't too expensive, and overall EHP barely drops compared to the 3rd extender.

Tyrus Tenebros
April 11 2011, 02:55:54 AM
I'd spring for the 3% implant and fit the HAMdrake:

[Drake, HAMDrakeDCII]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5


It's 3k EHP, but still... it's an extra 3k EHP...

mistersparky
April 20 2011, 10:01:04 AM
What about droppng the third BCU for for a PDS? You lose about 50 DPS, but it solves the PG issues, allows you to fit a token small neut in the utility highslot, adds a little tank and even helps MWD cap stability:-

[Drake, MWD LSE]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Smabs
April 20 2011, 11:16:17 AM
Generally I dislike having any less than 3 BCU's on a drake. Just feels like I wouldn't be taking advantage of the awesome slot layout using a pds or whatever.

You can sneak 3 BCU and full tackle on a drake if you use a pair of meta 4 extenders:


[Drake, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5


Or alternately you can go for 3 bcu, 100k ehp overheated if you use a cpu implant. It only has a scram though so it's more of a gang ship.

[Drake, gank & tank]
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5

Gypsio
April 21 2011, 10:31:06 PM
What about droppng the third BCU for for a PDS?

Triple BCS HAM Drake without a PG implant can come out as:

[Drake, HAM]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Warp Disruptor II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

You've got PG spare for a small neut or something, but yuo'd need to find CPU from somewhere.

Lex Fasces
April 22 2011, 09:33:54 AM
What about droppng the third BCU for for a PDS?

Triple BCS HAM Drake without a PG implant can come out as:

[Drake, HAM]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Warp Disruptor II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

You've got PG spare for a small neut or something, but yuo'd need to find CPU from somewhere.

endless subversion fit i believe?

either way i am still torn between hams and heavies

zergl
April 22 2011, 09:54:05 PM
either way i am still torn between hams and heavies
Well, it depends entirely on what you plan on doing with it. :V

When I used to be actively plundering wormholes (Hole Plunderers really needs some reviving, good tiems), the HAMDRAEK was an excellent package of DPS while mitigating the mass restrictions (both the per-jump limit and the danger of collapsing a hole of unknown health) that can make a BS unattractive and the targets tended to be mostly of the BC/BS variety so you'd usually hit well with HAMs and quite often also with Rage ammo.


And yeah, 3% grid implant fit 4lyf~ though you can make valid arguments for most variants.

Talinthi
April 23 2011, 12:03:17 AM
[Drake, nanoez]
I'd switch an extender rig for a T2 EM resist. They aren't too expensive, and overall EHP barely drops compared to the 3rd extender.


if your worried about resists go with an invuln instead of the second extender, i personally prefer that version of the nano drake better all around resists with more efhp(not to mention you can heat the invuln for a good deal more as well). I prefer a small neut to a drone link but can see the use for the drone link in a gang where your not being primary tackle. This is what I use fora throwaway nano drake.

[Drake, nanoez invuln]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
( i prefer the stronger t2/fleeting webs i know many prefer x5 to keep costs/cpu down)



Or alternately you can go for 3 bcu, 100k ehp overheated if you use a cpu implant. It only has a scram though so it's more of a gang ship.

[Drake, gank & tank]
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5

you dont need the em-rig on that fit, just use a 3rd extender it gives you a good 5k more efhp and you can overheat to 108k which is a 7k efhp increase.

Smabs
April 23 2011, 10:50:17 AM
Actually... yeah that's true, 3 core defense would be fine with double invulns. I guess I'm just used to plugging the horrible em resists on most shield ships.

Varrent
April 29 2011, 03:45:23 AM
Disclaimer: I have not actually flown this yet, it is just a fit I liked for versatility in Losec Small Gang/ Solo work. And Theoretically, it serves as VERY effective bait, and can fight effectively at long and short ranges. Meta 4 Web is due to CPU issues.

[Drake, Brick]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5

theBlind
April 29 2011, 07:44:28 AM
I don't like it because it does nothing but bait. And since many players still think single drake = bait (and often enough, it still is) there's no surprise effect like the 700 DPS that HAM drake you're ignoring in your target calling puts out.
I also doubt that a single medium neut will actually change the outcome of anythign worthwhile and again, by crippling your fit to shoehorn it on you're crippling your ability to do anything for your gang except bait. Which completely ignores the drakes versatility and ability to actually be a contributing member of the gang.
IF you abolutely want a heavy tackle / bait, I'd go with scram and double web as well as ECM drones. Get people into scram range when they try to bump you off gates.

BOOLER
April 29 2011, 08:20:49 AM
Best drake:

hi:
/
Med:
/
Low:
/

Then come to tama and please be slow to warp your pod

Muffinsrevenger
April 29 2011, 11:29:47 AM
Best drake:

hi:
/
Med:
/
Low:
/

Then come to tama and please be slow to warp your pod

Booler loves his drakes, i don't know any other person with as many hours spent flying one

Also, above HAM-drake fit can be really fun, you get away with closing on a large amount of small fragile things since they don't expect full tackle and 600ish dps
Sure, the brutix can squeeze out a bit more raw deeps, and heavys make you more flexible in what and how you can choose to fight, but the suprise factor and ability to be of some sort of use in a small-scale gang is lots more then what one might expect out of those things

Djakku
June 22 2011, 06:43:28 AM
Getting my alt into a pvp drake, using HML's cos I get more dps out of them with her skills.

However, I can't decide between 1 LSE and 2 Invulns, or 2 LSE and 1 Invuln

I get more shield HP out of 2LSE, but it seems common to go 2 Invuln... So which is best? :?

edit: She's not gonna be doing anything fancy, just small gang jarhead-hitapproachF1F2F3-pvp.

Rania Serlia
June 22 2011, 07:31:56 AM
If you're using scimis, then the 2x invuln will be moar popular/effective among their pilots. If you're finding yourself in gangs with less logis then more raw HP>lower resists. A draek with one LSE and BC IV still has moar ehp than most things they'll be repping anyways(curses, cynabals, vagabonds and so on).

Chiming in for the hamdraek, it's the only pvp fit draek I'll fly. According to eft, I used double webs instead of double invulns, but otherwise the same fit as podcats. Kinda works like a blaster fer0x in a small gang since you'll never be primary and can do a suprising amount of deeps. Solo it kinda works like a brick that any AB+scramfit can run from(thus dualweb).

Lex Fasces
October 26 2011, 10:33:36 PM
so you have your standard podla style nano dual web drake of win:



[Drake, dual web dual nano]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5


with max skills and loki links it has 58k ehp and will get hit nicely by an arty cane or tempest or geddon whatever at 30k (rough point range)

to avoid these large gay ships you can drop a web for a td (or a damp lol). however this means you are terribu at killing and tackling smaller stuff like inties and more importantly VAGABONDS AND CYNABALS. a single web will lose you a kill if the vaga or cyn pilot isnt a moron (and knows how to simply MWD away from you)


you can also swap a web for a scram giving you amazing anti tackle and also anti shield cane/vaga/cyn as it has a 15k scram with heat.

my proposal is this:

for gang work i would fit a mix bag of drakes (mostly dual web or web scram / the others web td)

however for solo work i am thinking that you cannot cover enough bases with only 2 slots devoted to ewar (dopple web)

therefore i propose to drop the name LSE and adding in a td. this will give you dual web AND a td meaning you are a hurricane killing beast. infact anything with medium guns is not gonna hit you hard at 30k. you can also dual web a frig and tracking speed disrupt it to stop it from killing your drones whilst you munch on it with warriors allowing for both higher eDPS against frigs and greater staying power against turret using ships.

the problem is that you drop to 47k ehp to do so.

its a basic trade off between 10k ehp (a 17% drop in ehp roughly) for amazing ewar potential and also ability to take on more at once before your buffer runs out.


the increased cap use can be a problem as well, although cap shouldnt realy be a major issue when you can run everything for 2 mins (you shouldnt be running the webs for too long anyway - if you are then you suck at getting away from tackle)


i dunno yet. HALP ME FHC UR MY ONRY HOPE.

(i am gonna field test this over the next few days btw and see how it goes)


to put some numbesr to it:


425 shield cane w barrage at 30k: 240 dps
720 cane with EMP (major damage advantage here) at 30k: 500 dps

add in a bit of TD and lets see what happens

425 cane w barrage at 30k: 130 dps (lol and it is hitting your best resists)
720 cane w EMP at 30k: 270 dps



what a major improvement?

Tafkat
October 26 2011, 10:51:05 PM
problem: other drakes

Lex Fasces
October 26 2011, 10:56:53 PM
problem: other drakes

true, you cant fight everything =p

i reckon this setup could take most turret ships 1v1 though (bar shit with barrage L and possibly scorch L)

zangorus
October 27 2011, 05:08:51 PM
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10573400 is pretty good i believe its brutis kahns fit not sure. due to my failskills u can get more out of it.

Mahdi
December 25 2011, 10:00:21 AM
Anyone ever consider an active tank Drake? Ala Cyclone?

I came up with this after realising how underwhelming the Nighthawk is without ganglinks/expensive implants.

[Drake, Wannabe Cyclone]
Reactor Control Unit II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Invulnerability Field II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Hobgoblin II x5


561/642 DPS with CN terror
394/494 tank with Strong blue pill
44k EHP

Very similiar to a Cyclone with a DG LSB and probably going to be very surprising to any gang, with more EHP, more DPS, better cap and depending on fit, more tackle.

With T2 LSB and Pseudo DCU (needs 3% CPU implant):

319/397 with Strong blue pill

Tyrus Tenebros
December 26 2011, 02:23:29 AM
with more EHP

44k EHP

Wat?

Mahdi
December 26 2011, 04:16:39 AM
Yeah, the similar DG LSB fit only has 34K EHP.

See http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?173-PVP-Cyclone&p=48544&viewfull=1#post48544

I know you can get more EHP then that on a Cyclone but not with all the other stats similar.

Tyrus Tenebros
December 26 2011, 06:48:15 AM
Yeah, the similar DG LSB fit only has 34K EHP.

See http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?173-PVP-Cyclone&p=48544&viewfull=1#post48544

I know you can get more EHP then that on a Cyclone but not with all the other stats similar.I think I was reacting more to "more" and "44k" in the drake topic.

while i understand the cyclone may have shittier EHP, you have to remember everybody will see "drake" as shiptype when they engage, where they expect ~80k EHP.

40k EHP / 494 EHP Tanked is a lonnnnggggg time before you've made up for that lost EHP. The 3x BCS, DC II fit is still boss for HAM drakes, imo.

(w/ crystals + tengu YMMV)

Mahdi
December 29 2011, 10:56:24 AM
I think I was reacting more to "more" and "44k" in the drake topic.

while i understand the cyclone may have shittier EHP, you have to remember everybody will see "drake" as shiptype when they engage, where they expect ~80k EHP.

40k EHP / 494 EHP Tanked is a lonnnnggggg time before you've made up for that lost EHP. The 3x BCS, DC II fit is still boss for HAM drakes, imo.

(w/ crystals + tengu YMMV)

Yeah good point, I think it might be worth it with Crystals and links.

CastleBravo
December 29 2011, 11:45:34 AM
You can get the third BCS on it but you will either have to do some pimping, drop the small neut, or use a CPU implant. With crystals, standard pill, tengu boost, and heat it will burst tank 1450 with 58k ehp.

[Drake, Wannabe Cyclone]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I

Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Invulnerability Field II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Hobgoblin II x5

Sponk
February 2 2012, 03:22:21 AM
Are the drake changes on sisi yet?

Takon Orlani
February 2 2012, 03:28:39 AM
Are the changes official?

Sponk
February 2 2012, 03:49:01 AM
Dunno, but nobody has said it was a terrible change and should be stopped.

Am looking forward to seeing what happens.

Rudolf Miller
February 2 2012, 02:31:24 PM
Dunno, but nobody has said it was a terrible change and should be stopped.

Am looking forward to seeing what happens.

what's the nerf?

kyrieee
February 2 2012, 02:59:56 PM
I think changing the resist bonus to a RoF bonus was an idea tossed around in the CSM minutes, but I could be wrong.
edit:

The Drake: The CSM and CCP both acknowledged the need to rebalance the Drake, which ‘does everything too well’. CCP is considering giving it a more offensive role like a Raven or Caracal where it would lose the shield resistance bonus and the 5% Kinetic damage bonus and instead gain a rate of fire bonus and a missile velocity bonus. The CSM vehemently approved of this idea. CCP and the CSM also agreed that this possible change to the Drake would help add more uniqueness to the Nighthawk, which is presently overshadowed entirely by the Drake.

Sparkus Volundar
February 2 2012, 03:12:40 PM
I'm not sure that giving the Drake the equivalent of a 33% damage bonus, selectable damage types and the option of respectable HAM range is going to help increase the use of Nighthawks.

Shin_getter
February 2 2012, 03:19:25 PM
I'm not sure that giving the Drake the equivalent of a 33% damage bonus, selectable damage types and the option of respectable HAM range is going to help increase the use of Nighthawks.

NW is a pve ship, no?

Sparkus Volundar
February 2 2012, 04:20:58 PM
I'm not sure that giving the Drake the equivalent of a 33% damage bonus, selectable damage types and the option of respectable HAM range is going to help increase the use of Nighthawks.

NW is a pve ship, no?

I don't think a PvP/PvE distinction is too important due to the 6th mid and greater shield HP of the Drake giving it the option of still-respectable resist profile.

If you mean the NH is only really used in PvE, that would be a shame as that shouldn't have to be the case.

Tyrus Tenebros
February 2 2012, 04:37:31 PM
I'm not sure that giving the Drake the equivalent of a 33% damage bonus, selectable damage types and the option of respectable HAM range is going to help increase the use of Nighthawks.

The fact that drakes will be far less range restricted now, and do mixed damage types, nevermind the increased HAM DPS application (also now a rainbow of damage types), is hardly a nerf.

This DOES nerf PODLA and other undertanked drakes somewhat, to be fair, but it just makes them more annoying overall, and even more suited to people using noob AB fits because "I can hit them from here".


I don't like it yet, idea needs more refining.

Lex Fasces
February 2 2012, 05:01:33 PM
I'm not sure that giving the Drake the equivalent of a 33% damage bonus, selectable damage types and the option of respectable HAM range is going to help increase the use of Nighthawks.

NW is a pve ship, no?

I don't think a PvP/PvE distinction is too important due to the 6th mid and greater shield HP of the Drake giving it the option of still-respectable resist profile.

If you mean the NH is only really used in PvE, that would be a shame as that shouldn't have to be the case.

i made a dual nano dual web podla nighthawk once.

it was basically a bit less ehp for better resitances and better dps...

and also the 25% explo velocity bonus (meaning trauma fury hits as well as navy trauma - and navy trauma hits frigs ALOT better)


i concluded that it was worth the price tag if you came across frigs alot or were out solo and wanted the surprise factor - but not for big gangs


EDIT:

eft says furies on nighthawk outdamages navy on drake vs dual web 1mn ab rifter.

navy vs navy with warriors - the nh has 250 and the drake has 200 dps.

not worth the price tag really

LordsServant
June 9 2012, 10:56:26 PM
[Drake, hamdraek ancillary]
Internal Force Field Array I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Reactor Control Unit II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5

527 dps preheat.

478 dps tank(you should always be heating ASBs) / 5,577 shield HP boosted per reload cycle

63,599 EHP vs Omni

53.5/62.8/72.1/76.8 resists, I would suggest swapping out one of the CDFE's for an EM rig if running without links. (61,660 EHP, EM goes from 53.5 --> 65.7).

Under mindlink tengu boosts....

94,033 EHP vs Omni

1018 dps tank w/heated ASB (which as mentioned above, should always be heated). Add in LG crystals for 1303 dps tank, heat invuln for 1405 dps tank.

I really like the fact that this can actually almost run a TANK, and at the same time have the nice EHP buffer, which in most cases should give you the time for another cap charge reload on your ASB(for example, roll in, gank something down to reduce incoming dps while tanking like a mofo with ASB, then DPS should be manageable while waiting on ASB to reload).

Your thoughts?

Lex Fasces
June 9 2012, 11:01:10 PM
looks pretty boss.

will try that shit out

ry ry
June 10 2012, 01:12:56 PM
tried a lowsec ab, ham + dual LASB drake, it was quite bad (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13588447).

abuse of fitting rigs aside, it didn't tank very well even with an overheated tank and both ASBs running. it was also slow as fuck.

Lex Fasces
June 10 2012, 01:26:24 PM
did you have crystals and tengu links? =)

LordsServant
June 10 2012, 06:36:13 PM
did you have crystals and tengu links? =)

That and it's slow as fuck because you had a 10mn AB fitted. /o\

The fuck were u trying to do? Fit looks awful tbh :S

I'd run something more like this if I wanted active....


[Drake, active drake]
Internal Force Field Array I
Co-Processor II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Hobgoblin II x5

2269 DPS tank pre-heat w/Tengu boosts and LG crystals. 1185 per booster.

3286 dps "OH JEEZUS DEAGGRO IM GETTIN BLAWBED TA FAWK!" overheating everything tank. ;)

902 dps unheated tank w/o crystals or Tengu boosts...so yeah. Not all that good.

Faction scram is needed for CPU (seemed to be the cheapest option, you can do faction BCU or w/e if you want, but 2%/3% CPU implant doesn't work as (LG) Crystal Omega goes in that slot (you should be using crystals with this or you're just bad).

ry ry
June 10 2012, 07:40:58 PM
n1 pointing out that a bad fit i said was bad is bad. :D

also, on the second fit if you're tanking 2269 DPS tank pre-heat w/Tengu boosts and LG crystals you will probably die in the overlap between the boosters anyway.

LordsServant
June 10 2012, 07:50:14 PM
n1 pointing out that a bad fit i said was bad is bad. :D

also, on the second fit if you're tanking 2269 DPS tank pre-heat w/Tengu boosts and LG crystals you will probably die in the overlap between the boosters anyway.

I'm also pointing out that active drakes are retarded. They just don't work, thats the best I could get, and it's still shit. You can engage limited stuff with ur ~1.5k dps tank, and alternate boosters, but generally you'll just diaf. My buffer fit is much better tbh.

ry ry
June 10 2012, 07:56:13 PM
My buffer fit is much better tbh.

that's great and stuff, but why are you trying to argue with me about how good your buffer fit drake is? idc.

Daneel Trevize
June 10 2012, 07:57:35 PM
http://failheap-challenge.com/image.php?u=1889&dateline=1333383680

LordsServant
June 10 2012, 08:03:10 PM
that's great and stuff, but why are you trying to argue with me about how good your buffer fit drake is? idc.

:psyduck: I'm gonna end this sperging right here..not sure where you're getting me talking about how good "my" fit is. :S (defensive is defensive?)

Kyle Semones
July 17 2012, 12:11:19 AM
I flew this today
its a mix of the nanodrake with hams and an ASB (lol)

[Drake, NanoHAM ASB]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 200
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Assault Missile
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I


Warrior II x5


and managed to kill a 1600 plated, trimark'd hurricane in lol-sec. but the guns were shooting him and i got out in 58% struct. it lays down pretty good dps esp if you add some heat (550+)
its really quick which allowed me to even catch the cane as he cross jumped me.
the tank holds pretty well until you run out of charges and have to wait that 60 fucking second timer. (CCP should make it 30 so these fits are worth a damn) i had to overheat my invul and missiles and hope i killed him first.

i need to maybe drop a web and figure out how to put an extender in there, or possibly just swap a web for another invul and overheat the 2x invuls when the booster is reloading.

prometheus
July 17 2012, 12:17:08 AM
The Drake doesnt benefit from ASBs.
Fitting them means you're sacrificing DPS (and tank), because this ship actually has more effective eHP (and damage) when fit traditionally.

Just thought that needed to be said.

W0lf Crendraven
July 17 2012, 12:25:26 AM
[Drake, buffer&active]
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Hobgoblin II x5

dont really know, compared to a podla drake it has similar ehp but you loose a bit of dps and a web in order for 400dps tank, but as you generally take very little damage the tank would allow you to stay around a lot longer (especially as the buffer gives you time for a reload). (loki links help a lot due to more range)

or:

[Drake, buffer&active copy 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Undertaker' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Undertaker' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Hobgoblin II x5

Same as above but more expensive but tbh i like it more.

Kyle Semones
July 20 2012, 02:26:14 AM
The Drake doesnt benefit from ASBs.
Fitting them means you're sacrificing DPS (and tank), because this ship actually has more effective eHP (and damage) when fit traditionally.

Just thought that needed to be said.

I just wanted to see what could be done with the ASB/nano/HAM combo. actually the drake's bonus is beneficial to an active tank, solid resists, and not that the drake is small signature either way but you do have a much smaller signature than a LSE/Extender fit. roughly 15% smaller sig.
if you dont want the nano-drake then drop the lows for the standard lows and you get all your damage back.

I'm not saying you're wrong prom, I just wanted to fly outside the box :P

OrangeAfroMan
July 23 2012, 02:17:02 AM
The web on a podla drake is part of why you don't take much damage - the ability to kill tacklers and prevent getting pinned down.

aliens
January 1 2013, 04:10:44 PM
Solo pvp drake, would you get (83k overall ehp with 69k em ehp) or (78k overall ehp with 71k em ehp)?

Lex Fasces
January 1 2013, 04:25:42 PM
first option. can you heat the em resist?

aliens
January 1 2013, 04:26:58 PM
First option has dual invulns, no em rig. Second option has one em rig instead of one cdfe.

aliens
January 1 2013, 04:38:06 PM
This is basically a remake of the 900 dps drake from bc:


[Drake, Standard HAM]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5


I removed the dps rig cause the t1 version only increased dps by ~20, allowing me to use t2 lse and extra cdfe rig + neut.

800 heated dps (840 heated with +3% assault and rapid fire implants), 83k ehp (94k heated), 149 (175) regen tank.

Variations include:


em rig to replace one cdfe (2k extra em ehp, 4k lower overall ehp);
replace bcs with t1 reactor to get a medium neut instead of the small one, but lose like 80 dps;
replace t2 dc with meta4, langour web, and you'll be able to fit t2 disruptor (missile range isn't that great, so dunno about this)

Tyrus Tenebros
January 1 2013, 05:16:17 PM
Im really mad that everybody knows about that fit and ot works without a PG implant now.

Preboost it only.fit with perfect skills and a 3% and nobody expected HAMdrakes, now every scrub can do it

aliens
January 1 2013, 06:07:25 PM
Im really mad that everybody knows about that fit and ot works without a PG implant now.

Preboost it only.fit with perfect skills and a 3% and nobody expected HAMdrakes, now every scrub can do it

Do you prefer it with the em rig vs cdfe only? Can't quite decide what to pick.

Varcaus
January 1 2013, 06:10:36 PM
Im really mad that everybody knows about that fit and ot works without a PG implant now.

Preboost it only.fit with perfect skills and a 3% and nobody expected HAMdrakes, now every scrub can do it

Do you prefer it with the em rig vs cdfe only? Can't quite decide what to pick.

em not worth it you have good resist already cdfe all the way.

sharptoast
January 1 2013, 09:37:30 PM
Im really mad that everybody knows about that fit and ot works without a PG implant now.

Preboost it only.fit with perfect skills and a 3% and nobody expected HAMdrakes, now every scrub can do it

Implying Tyrus isnt a scrub :3

Tyrus Tenebros
January 2 2013, 12:23:40 AM
Im really mad that everybody knows about that fit and ot works without a PG implant now.

Preboost it only.fit with perfect skills and a 3% and nobody expected HAMdrakes, now every scrub can do it

Do you prefer it with the em rig vs cdfe only? Can't quite decide what to pick.
CDFE


and confirming I'm a scrub.

OrangeAfroMan
January 2 2013, 12:29:34 AM
Im really mad that everybody knows about that fit and ot works without a PG implant now.

Preboost it only.fit with perfect skills and a 3% and nobody expected HAMdrakes, now every scrub can do it

Do you prefer it with the em rig vs cdfe only? Can't quite decide what to pick.
CDFE


and confirming I'm a scrub.

If the Drake didn't have the resist bonus I'd say anti-em

Also confirming your confirmation of scrubness.

Sponk
January 2 2013, 12:32:20 AM
If the Drake didn't have the resist bonus I'd say anti-em

The fit has 2 invulns, so a t1 EM screen will be cut down to 57% effectiveness. I'd rather have the flat 15% more shield hp.

aliens
January 2 2013, 02:05:14 AM
1. Damage-wise, should I grab all resistance ammo types or would scourge and mjolnir suffice?
2. Range-wise, should I grab javelins as well (30km) or would cn ammo (20km) be enough?

Varcaus
January 2 2013, 02:06:55 AM
Don't get one of everything unless you want to spend another 50 million in ammo

Tyrus Tenebros
January 2 2013, 02:34:18 AM
Don't use javelin it's still crap comparatively.

Rage scourge for vs. T1 BS, CN Mjolnir and Scourge should be sufficient, with Mjolnir basically only ever loaded for Gall / Caldari T2 cruiser hulls.

OrangeAfroMan
February 20 2013, 12:09:20 AM
http://i.imgur.com/PFAxHOd.jpg

sharptoast
February 20 2013, 08:14:59 AM
http://i.imgur.com/PFAxHOd.jpg

That, is a lot of DPS, and a lot of EHP.

C/D HAM Drakes OP?

Lex Fasces
February 20 2013, 08:58:40 AM
http://i.imgur.com/PFAxHOd.jpg

That, is a lot of DPS, and a lot of EHP.

C/D HAM Drakes OP?

Get the ospreys

sharptoast
February 20 2013, 09:03:55 AM
http://i.imgur.com/PFAxHOd.jpg

That, is a lot of DPS, and a lot of EHP.

C/D HAM Drakes OP?

Get the ospreys

Yes, oh god yes.

Tafkat
February 20 2013, 10:14:33 AM
Somewhat better HAM setup, IMO:

http://i.imgur.com/v4qCVi7.jpg

[Drake, HAM]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5

(that said, both this HAM setup and OAM's will lose to an XLASB cyclone 1v1. The Drake's much better outside that context, however, epecially with RR involved)

W0lf Crendraven
February 20 2013, 10:20:33 AM
It also will die to a brutix/myrm/prophecy/ferox/ harbinger, the only BC it will win against really is the cane.

Tafkat
February 20 2013, 10:23:02 AM
It also will die to a brutix/myrm/prophecy/ferox/ harbinger, the only BC it will win against really is the cane.
It can kill harbs (well, sisi harbs at least. YMMV in real gameplay). But yeah, all the other BCs can mount strong enough active tanks to grind it down, and it doesn't have any tricks up its sleeves. Still, as a straight tank-and-gank setup for gangs, its solid.

OrangeAfroMan
February 20 2013, 10:25:37 AM
Somewhat better HAM setup, IMO:

http://i.imgur.com/v4qCVi7.jpg

[Drake, HAM]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5

(that said, both this HAM setup and OAM's will lose to an XLASB cyclone 1v1. The Drake's much better outside that context, however, epecially with RR involved)

Show me a Cyclone that will beat it. Part of why I have one Invuln instead of two is to be less vulnerable to neuts. I think the only BC that would give the Drake trouble 1v1 is the Prophecy (my fit from the Proph thread, 90k ehp, ~700 DPS, two webs). Otherwise the Drake/Proph certainly outclass all the others on the gank/gank front.

Perhaps the Brutix or Myrm could do better but so far it seems that in standard fits, BCs are coming out with either ~50k EHP or ~80k EHP with no real difference in DPS.

OrangeAfroMan
February 20 2013, 10:27:52 AM
Also if your reply is something along the lines of "A Cyclone with Crystals, Strong Blue and Tengu links will beat any Drake!" I will rage.

Tafkat
February 20 2013, 12:07:23 PM
The one I posted in the Cyclone thread matches a HAM drake almost exactly in a straight EHP-dps race assuming the Cyclone has popped standard blue and is shooting EM, while the Drake is shooting kinetic (cyclone has 87k heated EHP before reloading and 705 heated dps, drake has 73k heated EHP against EM and 836 heated dps; both die in 104s). Here's one that beats a drake trivially but can't fight active tankers:


[Cyclone, XLASB - turrets]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I


Hammerhead II x5

111k EHP before reload against kinetic, gg drake.

OrangeAfroMan
February 20 2013, 01:52:12 PM
The realistic DPS from the Cyclone is still pretty poor, comparatively. Base range 220s only have 1.35k of optimal. Also the Cyclone has to use Standard Blue which is a. hard to transport and b. not always available.

Garviel
February 20 2013, 02:11:57 PM
The realistic DPS from the Cyclone is still pretty poor, comparatively. Base range 220s only have 1.35k of optimal. Also the Cyclone has to use Standard Blue which is a. hard to transport and b. not always available.

Someone hasn't been paying attention ^^

OrangeAfroMan
February 20 2013, 02:22:20 PM
The realistic DPS from the Cyclone is still pretty poor, comparatively. Base range 220s only have 1.35k of optimal. Also the Cyclone has to use Standard Blue which is a. hard to transport and b. not always available.

Someone hasn't been paying attention ^^

OK

Marlona Sky
February 21 2013, 06:51:22 AM
http://i.imgur.com/PFAxHOd.jpg

Tried this fit out tonight. Was raping a Cynabal hard with it... but then suddenly a wild Falcon appeared. As they always do when I solo...

EDIT: I got revenge a few minutes later. :twisted:

OrangeAfroMan
February 21 2013, 06:53:39 AM
Anyway, aside from rare BC1v1s, the Drake is still a much better ship. Why? Because it scales exponentially better. With the resist bonus and very high EHP, Drakes begin to massively outperform their peers once you add things like logistics to the mix. Not to mention almost all their DPS comes from missiles instead of a split between 75% launchers and 25% easily smartbombed/lost drones.

In a gang setting with even one Logi, Drakes are a hell of a lot more effective than Cyclones.

prolonged sedation
March 18 2013, 06:22:40 AM
[Drake, New Setup 2]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5


57k/61k ehp
614 dps with cn scourge, 707 with scourge rage
175/1003/1417 m/s

slow brick that does pretty ok dps that has dual webs

sharptoast
March 18 2013, 08:29:06 AM
Does it really need a neut with dual webs, seems like make the neut a small then fit another CDFE.

root
March 18 2013, 10:07:10 AM
Or fit a Medium smartbomb, because fuck you ECM-300.

Alistair
February 27 2014, 03:42:27 PM
Would an Over-tanked Drake, fielding a full rack of Rapid Light Missile Lanuchers, be a decent counter to Frigate/Inty gangs?

root
February 27 2014, 03:49:55 PM
I doubt it, does the drake even get bonus to RLM?
+ dat 35second reload time.

I would rather take an Heretic, try to split them up a bit and kill anything that comes too close. People don't know the heretic that well yet. It kills kiting condors (no tank once) with 2 - 3 volleys.

Tetsuo
February 27 2014, 04:21:10 PM
Drake doesn't get a bonus to RLML so once you factor in the reload time the DPS ends up being comparable to if you just fit it with regular light missile launchers. Speaking of which;


[Drake, loldrake]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

157 DPS
56.5K EHP
816 DPS unheated burst tank

Realistically though, a Heretic is less stupid and more mobile and does more DPS

SardCaid
February 27 2014, 09:16:10 PM
RLML in its current iteration wrecks frigates and destroyers just fine, and yes the Drake would be able to swat a ceptor or three before reload, even without a bonus to RLML. I'd probably opt for a web to get the most out of the light missiles, to help versus dual prop ceptors as well as eeking out better overall application. A painter is great, but without a range bonus on the RLML with the drake I think killing what's close is safer rather than ceptors orbiting at range (which very well may break 40km and escape). Be sure to have a good neutral damage type like explosive or EM loaded that'll apply well to your likely primaries, as 35 seconds to chose the right damage type before shooting is harrowing.

I'd also recommend if there are targets that will take better to different damage types to turn auto reload off, and drag the appropriate damage type from your cargo bay onto the launchers. I find dragging ammo is less error prone than trying to click the ammo using the right click menu on your launchers.

Smarnca
February 28 2014, 12:03:55 AM
Best drake imo

[Drake, Can I bring a]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Janeway84
February 28 2014, 09:02:56 AM
[Drake, baity baity]
Damage Control II
Power diagnostic II
Power diagnostic II
Ballistic Control System II

Warp disruptor I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Small neut

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

EC-300's for extra annoyance, risk of drones getting popped by sleepers if getting tackled by baitee target before the site is clear.
M

May have to meta 4 some shield extender to fit the neut.

Works best against a solo target like solo cov op proteus or similar.
in wh space where your target isnt going to know whats going on until you got him pointed and he see's the fleet on dscan drop in :)
OH shit before shields drop to low, drop point and warp out before dictor bubble go up and live longer..

Dot
February 28 2014, 11:52:12 AM
If you want to kill frig swarms fit a light blaster brutix or a tier3.

Rexthor Hammerfists
March 4 2014, 08:46:03 PM
[Drake, baity baity]
Damage Control II
Power diagnostic II
Power diagnostic II
Ballistic Control System II

Warp disruptor I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Small neut

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

EC-300's for extra annoyance, risk of drones getting popped by sleepers if getting tackled by baitee target before the site is clear.
M

May have to meta 4 some shield extender to fit the neut.

Works best against a solo target like solo cov op proteus or similar.
in wh space where your target isnt going to know whats going on until you got him pointed and he see's the fleet on dscan drop in :)
OH shit before shields drop to low, drop point and warp out before dictor bubble go up and live longer..


Not a good setup for anything im afraid, least so for baiting anything as with a t1 point you cannot hold anything down at all. You dont even have a propmod to keep up with a proteus cov ops whatever since you cannot web or scram it.
Instead, when going for a bait setup, fit a scram+web and then everything else.

Alundil
March 5 2014, 08:07:53 PM
Was thinking the same thing.

Tappin dat talk