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fight4cpc
June 15 2011, 06:31:17 PM
we got speach freedom ,oh not that free but it still free
the reason we dont want talk about politics to u guys because we dont want too
this all

we can talk about politics every day if we like to.

fight4cpc
June 15 2011, 06:31:57 PM
opps
the reason we dont want talk about politics to u guys because we dont want to.. sorry type too fast

fng
June 15 2011, 06:32:31 PM
lulz
go on then, start a blog

Fuggin
June 15 2011, 06:34:22 PM
tbh...I'd rather not talk about politics. No matter the country, it's all shit.

zangorus
June 15 2011, 06:34:31 PM
:psyduck:

fight4cpc
June 15 2011, 06:36:21 PM
yeah dont talk about it ........... we have diffrent opinion about politics

fight4cpc
June 15 2011, 06:39:39 PM
im Communist by the way

zangorus
June 15 2011, 06:42:25 PM
O Karma, Dharma, pudding and pie,
gimme a break before I die:
grant me wisdom, will, & wit,
purity, probity, pluck, & grit.
Trustworthy, loyal, helpful, kind,
gimme great abs & a steel-trap mind,
and forgive, Ye Gods, some humble advice-
these little blessings would suffice
to beget an earthly paradise:
make the bad people good-
and the good people nice;
and before our world goes over the brink,
teach the believers how to think.

Lochiel
June 15 2011, 06:54:32 PM
Oh, I'll bite.

On second thought, I'm going to respect the rules of the forum and not say anything that could be talking about politics. But I'll send you a PM.

fight4cpc
June 15 2011, 07:19:41 PM
O Karma, Dharma, pudding and pie,
gimme a break before I die:
grant me wisdom, will, & wit,
purity, probity, pluck, & grit.
Trustworthy, loyal, helpful, kind,
gimme great abs & a steel-trap mind,
and forgive, Ye Gods, some humble advice-
these little blessings would suffice
to beget an earthly paradise:
make the bad people good-
and the good people nice;
and before our world goes over the brink,
teach the believers how to think.



hey if u say that to every chinese they will kill u


i mean Thibet is a part of china

most chinese want kill Dalai Lama if day can
no matter how

fight4cpc
June 15 2011, 07:25:01 PM
O Karma, Dharma, pudding and pie,
gimme a break before I die:
grant me wisdom, will, & wit,
purity, probity, pluck, & grit.
Trustworthy, loyal, helpful, kind,
gimme great abs & a steel-trap mind,
and forgive, Ye Gods, some humble advice-
these little blessings would suffice
to beget an earthly paradise:
make the bad people good-
and the good people nice;
and before our world goes over the brink,
teach the believers how to think.


wait what its mean? idont get it
i search it on google and no answer
i search it on youtube
and it s a Tibetan separatist son

so if its not what u mean
sorry
but if it is
:psyduck:


http://t3.baidu.com/it/u=1088581290,3104196212&fm=0&gp=0.jpg

Art
June 15 2011, 08:51:17 PM
never stop posting

Kleus
June 15 2011, 08:56:34 PM
never stop posting
not empty quoting

Fachiri
June 15 2011, 08:58:09 PM
never stop posting
not empty quoting

+1

joe space
June 15 2011, 09:03:51 PM
"free tibet" word filter is random poem generator or what

edit: :lol:

Mavolio
June 15 2011, 09:29:48 PM
[youtube:1bx77wz4]rm0pNScn4rs[/youtube:1bx77wz4]

"No One Ever Made A Poem As Powerful As Aids"

Niedar
June 15 2011, 09:33:08 PM
we got speach freedom ,oh not that free but it still free
the reason we dont want talk about politics to u guys because we dont want too
this all

we can talk about politics every day if we like to.


Sure you can talk commie politics (Or maybe party line since you all aren't really commies anymore) all day long, I wouldn't disagree with that.

Christos
June 15 2011, 10:01:09 PM
The dark lord Ctylhy has forbidden us from raising the subject.

Cogs
June 16 2011, 01:38:29 AM
we got speach freedom ,oh not that free but it still free
the reason we dont want talk about politics to u guys because we dont want too
this all

we can talk about politics every day if we like to.
I don't need to argue politics with you guys because I honestly believe that Communism has been proven to be the best when it comes to choosing a government. 8-) [spoiler:2r03gwop]Punchlines highlighted for or our more literal friends.
'Communism has been proven to be the best.'

'choosing a government.'

Seriously? I think Communism/Socialism would work fine if people weren't absolute cunts. The fact most of us (including you) play Eve purely to scam, lie, cheat, kill each other and attempt to prove ourselves better just goes to proves my point.

I'll leave that for General Chat (http://failheap-challenge.com/viewforum.php?f=4) there are many people who will argue with you.[/spoiler:2r03gwop]

Lochiel
June 16 2011, 04:56:44 AM
why u guys think we will got killed if talk about politics


hey if u say that to every chinese they will kill u

:derper:

Tellenta
June 16 2011, 05:34:48 AM
im Communist by the way

You better be or it's re-education time!

mira o'karr
June 16 2011, 06:27:07 AM
we got speach freedom ,oh not that free but it still free
the reason we dont want talk about politics to u guys because we dont want too
this all

we can talk about politics every day if we like to.


that s cool. i don t want to talk politics either.

XenosisReaper
June 16 2011, 10:47:29 AM
Communism doesn't work though :psyduck:

dr axler
June 16 2011, 08:13:45 PM
Communism doesn't work though :psyduck:

not if there are capitalists around...

ScaryTrollScaringYou
June 16 2011, 08:29:09 PM
Communism doesn't work though :psyduck:

not if there are capitalists around...
Because then the starving people try to leave, happened before.

Tellenta
June 16 2011, 08:35:41 PM
Communism doesn't work though :psyduck:

not if there are capitalists around...
Because then the starving people try to leave, happened before.

China loses some starving people, real countries get immigrants to open another Chinese buffet restaurant. Everybody wins.

Mavolio
June 16 2011, 08:38:22 PM
China loses some starving people, real countries get immigrants to open another Chinese buffet restaurant. Everybody wins.

<3 having a meal of spring roles at the conveyor belt place must be annoying for people further down the belt tho :)

Need more Chinese takeaways round where i live as well the only one we have is always rly busy :(

dr axler
June 16 2011, 09:14:47 PM
and yet you owe them how much? I am sorry I don't know, I don't keep up with recent terminology...

ahh see what you made me do? can we just lock this and not do politics...

Haffrage
June 16 2011, 09:15:41 PM
why u guys think we will got killed if talk about politics


hey if u say that to every chinese they will kill u

:derper:
oh lordy :derper:

ScaryTrollScaringYou
June 16 2011, 09:28:36 PM
and yet you owe them how much? I am sorry I don't know, I don't keep up with recent terminology...

ahh see what you made me do? can we just lock this and not do politics...

Yes because of incredibly low wages and exploitation of many of their people - that only lasts so long.

Tellenta
June 16 2011, 10:47:30 PM
and yet you owe them how much? I am sorry I don't know, I don't keep up with recent terminology...

ahh see what you made me do? can we just lock this and not do politics...

About 1/8ish in general terms. Roughly 65% is held by U.S. and 35% by foreign investment, 25%ish of that is china.

I'll do a little copy paste

The Federal Government owes $8,200,481,797,735.73 to “the public”
The Federal Government owes $4,487,088,355,288.20 in “intragovernmental holdings
The total of these two figures is $12,687,570,153,023.93, which is referred to as “Total Public Debt Outstanding”.
*These numbers were pulled from a Nov. 2010 resource, the amount of U.S. debt china is buying has dropped since then but not by much I'll use the NOV. 2010 numbers just to remain consistent.
U.S. debt held by China $1,164,100,000,000 (numbers were in billions don't mind the zero's currently 1152.5 billion)

So in percents China holds 25.94% of the intragovernmental debt, or 9.17% of the total U.S. debt

I closed a few of my resources so here is all I got open atm

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center ... ts/mfh.txt (http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt)

A curious note, you'll notice a massive jump in debt holdings in June 2010, I think however I am not sure that the jump would be a correction after realizing China was being sneaky notice the drop in UK holdings at the same time.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... indicated/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/02/chinas-debt-to-us-treasury-more-than-indicated/)

I know that wasn't a serious question but I decided I wanted to know the answer and then I decided to share. Enjoy.

edit: roughly de-roughlied my rough percentages.

Jinu Soca
June 17 2011, 03:21:22 AM
Now if they could actually could get communist working on a large scale that would be something.

Iffy that china is communism but to answer the OP, the Book '1964' and other stories you hear about china.
But i/we know they wont really kill there people for just talking about politics.

Tellenta
June 17 2011, 03:44:11 AM
Now if they could actually could get communist working on a large scale that would be something.

Iffy that china is communism but to answer the OP, the Book '1964' and other stories you hear about china.
But i/we know they wont really kill there people for just talking about politics.

I think China's got a good thing going at the moment, wishing full scale communism is kinda mean.

Jinu Soca
June 17 2011, 04:13:22 AM
Nah, while i'm not a fan of communism, true communism is slightly better imo than what they have going now, but as long as the Chinese people like their government, the current system is fine.

Tellenta
June 17 2011, 04:50:03 AM
Nah, while i'm not a fan of communism, true communism is slightly better imo than what they have going now, but as long as the Chinese people like their government, the current system is fine.

Full scale communism is begging for massive corruption and power mongering. The little guy, defined as anyone not controlling the strings gets royally fucked. Granted the same thing can be said about capitalism, which is why no one does full on of either concept. The U.S. has tons of *gasp* socialist programs and China is slowly starting to instill a few capitalist scum initiatives such as land ownership. The only way people can look at either as an awesome concept is if they envision themselves as the thumb and not as the people under it.

XenosisReaper
June 17 2011, 06:45:15 AM
They have the highest execution rate in the world. What about Tienanmen Square?

Art
June 17 2011, 07:37:03 AM
They have the highest execution rate in the world. What about Tienanmen Square?

texas, we're catching up~

dr axler
June 17 2011, 07:41:16 AM
Communism isn't actually doable. There has never been a communistic government in our history. There have been many dictators who have used communism to get in power but actual communism never existed and a lot of people argue that is because it is not even possible, that the system is to utopic and that people are bastards, hence no deal.

I never really understood the attitude in the west towards communism. I mean I guess you hate it because of your history with it? But why hate a different system? a different mentality? Thats like people on massively writing shit about how stupid do you have to be to play a game which actively encourages scamming and backstabbing and political drama. They don't understand that some of us like that and have fun playing this game.
So why is communism inherently bad? The killing and the repression of these people have to do with a fucked up dictator not with communism itself.

Capitalism and communism both have their ups and downs. I prefer capitalism because of the support of the free market resulting in sharing of technology and advancement of technology. I can go to the local store and buy oranges from Spain, computers from Japan and a car from Germany. We would, I think, not be as advanced as we are if we weren't living in a capitalistic system.
The downside is its rather inhumane. I went to college because my parents are educated and decided that of course their child will go to college as well. And then I walk as a student during the winter, freezing as hell through the city centre, complaining bout the fucking cold, as I see two gipsys playing violins for coins with the biggest fucking smiles ever, and I cant even take my hands, which are in gloves, out of my pockets. And then the string on the violin brakes and the smiles turns into a horrific expression as they realize that all morning they have been playing for that string.
He changes the string, puts the smile back on, and starts playing again...
Why didn't he go to college. Why did I go? As I said, not fair. We put a price on education and its becoming a class thing...
Do you think the ups justify the downs? Honest question I really am interested in what people think.
And lets say that since there are these differences in capitalism, since we have the rich and the poor, we create a system in it where everyone gets at least the basic human rights, like healthcare and and enough money for food. In other words, socialism. Why rage against that?

Also indirect democracy as we have it now sucks. Nothing gets done. Different parties, houses, whatever you call them in your country, make sure the the other one cant do shit. And then even good laws that would help the country and the people don't get passed. There is a huge amount of people who have been voted into a governmental body doing shit and making sure we stay exactly where we are whilst taking huge amounts of money (legally, I wont even go into what they do on the side), and yet when someone suggest that that money would be better spent going back to the people (socialism) you call him a commie?

Yes I know I am just raging and don't actually have anything better to suggest...

Haffrage
June 17 2011, 07:42:15 AM
Communism isn't actually doable. There has never been a communistic government in our history. There have been many dictators who have used communism to get in power but actual communism never existed and a lot of people argue that is because it is not even possible, that the system is to utopic and that people are bastards, hence no deal.

I never really understood the attitude in the west towards communism. I mean I guess you hate it because of your history with it? But why hate a different system? a different mentality? Thats like people on massively writing shit about how stupid do you have to be to play a game which actively encourages scamming and backstabbing and political drama. They don't understand that some of us like that and have fun playing this game.
So why is communism inherently bad? The killing and the repression of these people have to do with a fucked up dictator not with communism itself.

Capitalism and communism both have their ups and downs. I prefer capitalism because of the support of the free market resulting in sharing of technology and advancement of technology. I can go to the local store and buy oranges from Spain, computers from Japan and a car from Germany. We would, I think, not be as advanced as we are if we weren't living in a capitalistic system.
The downside is its rather inhumane. I went to college because my parents are educated and decided that of course their child will go to college as well. And then I walk as a student during the winter, freezing as hell through the city centre, complaining bout the fucking cold, as I see two gipsys playing violins for coins with the biggest fucking smiles ever, and I cant even take my hands, which are in gloves, out of my pockets. And then the string on the violin brakes and the smiles turns into a horrific expression as they realize that all morning they have been playing for that string.
He changes the string, puts the smile back on, and starts playing again...
Why didn't he go to college. Why did I go? As I said, not fair. We put a price on education and its becoming a class thing...
Do you think the ups justify the downs? Honest question I really am interested in what people think.
And lets say that since there are these differences in capitalism, since we have the rich and the poor, we create a system in it where everyone gets at least the basic human rights, like healthcare and and enough money for food. In other words, socialism. Why rage against that?

Also indirect democracy as we have it now sucks. Nothing gets done. Different parties, houses, whatever you call them in your country, make sure the the other one cant do shit. And then even good laws that would help the country and the people don't get passed. There is a huge amount of people who have been voted into a governmental body doing shit and making sure we stay exactly where we are whilst taking huge amounts of money (legally, I wont even go into what they do on the side), and yet when someone suggest that that money would be better spent going back to the people (socialism) you call him a commie?

Yes I know I am just raging and don't actually have anything better to suggest...
People are assholes, only on FHC is this still news

Ædward
June 17 2011, 08:21:46 AM
"why u guys think we will got killed if talk about politics"

*cough* Tiananmen *cough*

Watching the live footage at the time was much more :ohnoes: than :popcorn:

Ezra
June 17 2011, 08:54:57 AM
That was under a dictator who's now dead.


The U.S. dropping 2 nukes on civilians was hardly a great act in humanities history.

China has come a long way through blending communist and socialist ideals with capitalist business acumen. Some things may seem odd to outsiders but I'm sure many things in the U.S. seem strange to the rest of the world. Like western consumerism, eating huge amounts of food, throwing away huge amounts of food, buying loads of stuff and having apartments full of junk.

Great Firewall might seem over the top to some but for example I'd rather Facebook was banned than the Facebook culture we have in the west where people go on it several times a day, checking it regularly during work wasting countless working hours.

No country has got it all right, coming out with one liners like Tianamen Square just shows your ignorance to history and the current state of things.

Cogs
June 17 2011, 01:57:47 PM
XXX XX* > there are police in internet,be careful

Free speech huh? Nothing to fear? I bet you're nothing but an agent provocateur. :slaver:



*Name removed to protect the innocent.

Megathron
June 17 2011, 03:54:27 PM
we got speach freedom ,oh not that free but it still free
the reason we dont want talk about politics to u guys because we dont want too
this all

we can talk about politics every day if we like to.You will get banned pretty fast on the Eve-O forums for starting a political thread. Maybe just locked and deleted at first. Either way, politics is inflammatory and troll-bait'y.

Jinu Soca
June 17 2011, 09:12:26 PM
Guess im sucked back into this thread because no-one has commented on this.

The U.S. dropping 2 nukes on civilians was hardly a great act in humanities history.
Though horrible, it still was an arguably better alternative than the planned invasion of japan. Without the atomic bombs, the resulting long drawn out war between the Japanese (Army+ Able-bodied men), the US forces, and the soviets attacking the Japanese somewhere, all sides would of suffered much greater loss of life. It also would of damaged the Japanese economy and culture much more. No-one wants that.
Case in point, although it sounds awful, dropping the bombs saved some lives.

Morax Marbas
June 17 2011, 09:36:32 PM
Guess im sucked back into this thread because no-one has commented on this.

The U.S. dropping 2 nukes on civilians was hardly a great act in humanities history.
Though horrible, it still was an arguably better alternative than the planned invasion of japan. Without the atomic bombs, the resulting long drawn out war between the Japanese (Army+ Able-bodied men), the US forces, and the soviets attacking the Japanese somewhere, all sides would of suffered much greater loss of life. It also would of damaged the Japanese economy and culture much more. No-one wants that.
Case in point, although it sounds awful, dropping the bombs saved some lives.

[citation needed]

Also communist EvE Corps are superior. True story.

Lancehot
June 17 2011, 10:00:40 PM
Guess im sucked back into this thread because no-one has commented on this.
[quote=Ezra]The U.S. dropping 2 nukes on civilians was hardly a great act in humanities history.
Though horrible, it still was an arguably better alternative than the planned invasion of japan. Without the atomic bombs, the resulting long drawn out war between the Japanese (Army+ Able-bodied men), the US forces, and the soviets attacking the Japanese somewhere, all sides would of suffered much greater loss of life. It also would of damaged the Japanese economy and culture much more. No-one wants that.
Case in point, although it sounds awful, dropping the bombs saved some lives.

[citation needed]

Also communist EvE Corps are superior. True story.[/quote:3na6wisf]

[wiki "citation"] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall#Estimated_casualties)

Jinu Soca
June 17 2011, 10:20:51 PM
Guess im sucked back into this thread because no-one has commented on this.
[quote=Ezra]The U.S. dropping 2 nukes on civilians was hardly a great act in humanities history.
Though horrible, it still was an arguably better alternative than the planned invasion of japan. Without the atomic bombs, the resulting long drawn out war between the Japanese (Army+ Able-bodied men), the US forces, and the soviets attacking the Japanese somewhere, all sides would of suffered much greater loss of life. It also would of damaged the Japanese economy and culture much more. No-one wants that.
Case in point, although it sounds awful, dropping the bombs saved some lives.

[citation needed]

Also communist EvE Corps are superior. True story.[/quote:opglpian]
Since you asked
My College history teacher
http://www.history.army.mil/brochures/b ... iew.htm#42 (http://www.history.army.mil/brochures/brief/overview.htm#42)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_J ... rld_War_II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army#World_War_II)
http://www.city-data.com/forum/history/ ... if-we.html (http://www.city-data.com/forum/history/223273-what-would-have-happened-if-we.html)

Tellenta
June 17 2011, 11:05:33 PM
Guess im sucked back into this thread because no-one has commented on this.
[quote=Ezra]The U.S. dropping 2 nukes on civilians was hardly a great act in humanities history.
Though horrible, it still was an arguably better alternative than the planned invasion of japan. Without the atomic bombs, the resulting long drawn out war between the Japanese (Army+ Able-bodied men), the US forces, and the soviets attacking the Japanese somewhere, all sides would of suffered much greater loss of life. It also would of damaged the Japanese economy and culture much more. No-one wants that.
Case in point, although it sounds awful, dropping the bombs saved some lives.

[citation needed]
[/quote:19zledm7]

Books and resources about the pacific theater in WW2, not just U.S. ones.

Morax Marbas
June 18 2011, 12:16:12 PM
Good reads.
Very much appreciated.

kalisti
June 18 2011, 12:18:03 PM
Capitalism and communism both have their ups and downs. I prefer capitalism because of the support of the free market resulting in sharing of technology and advancement of technology.

i'd imagine tech would advance faster with people working together for the same aim, rather than segmented secret business, driven by profit.

Ezra
June 18 2011, 12:27:19 PM
Capitalist societies where 95% of the wealth is in the hands of 5% of the population are hardly utopian either.

Gix Tyrionn
June 18 2011, 12:31:10 PM
Capitalism and communism both have their ups and downs. I prefer capitalism because of the support of the free market resulting in sharing of technology and advancement of technology.

i'd imagine tech would advance faster with people working together for the same aim, rather than segmented secret business, driven by profit.

On the flip side there are plenty of people who would imagine that without the incentive to be rich you wouldn't have the same amount of effort put in.

I mean radio, PC's, spaceflight, were all developed to be rich or to be better than someone else.

Each of them were driven by a fuck the other guy/world I'm better than them attitude that broke through barriers and created a need for something that wasn't wanted.

Things we take for granted like running hot water weren't created out of a joint venture to solve a deep human need. They were created because someone had the slaves to do whatever the fuck they wanted.

Belid Hagen
June 18 2011, 01:34:45 PM
Capitalism and communism both have their ups and downs. I prefer capitalism because of the support of the free market resulting in sharing of technology and advancement of technology.

i'd imagine tech would advance faster with people working together for the same aim, rather than segmented secret business, driven by profit.

So thats why the soviet union and the old pre-capitalist china were world leaders in the advancement of science and technology. oh wait.

Lochiel
June 18 2011, 02:00:06 PM
[quote="dr axler":3maft4q6]Capitalism and communism both have their ups and downs. I prefer capitalism because of the support of the free market resulting in sharing of technology and advancement of technology.

i'd imagine tech would advance faster with people working together for the same aim, rather than segmented secret business, driven by profit.

So thats why the soviet union and the old pre-capitalist china were world leaders in the advancement of science and technology. oh wait.[/quote:3maft4q6]

Because the only two options are All Out Anarchist Capitalism or Totalitarian Big Brother Communism. amirite?

Don Rumata
June 18 2011, 02:03:00 PM
[quote="Morax Marbas":1gtp6fvm]
Since you asked
My College history teacher

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_J ... rld_War_II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army#World_War_II)
[/quote:1gtp6fvm]


...Imperial Japanese Army practice of depicting American troops as cruel and merciless, referring to them as ???? (Kichiku Beihei, lit. Demonic Beasts American and English) ...

I think we just found perfect Alliance name for [WEST].

Belid Hagen
June 18 2011, 02:40:19 PM
[quote="dr axler":3fbnasfq]Capitalism and communism both have their ups and downs. I prefer capitalism because of the support of the free market resulting in sharing of technology and advancement of technology.

i'd imagine tech would advance faster with people working together for the same aim, rather than segmented secret business, driven by profit.

So thats why the soviet union and the old pre-capitalist china were world leaders in the advancement of science and technology. oh wait.

Because the only two options are All Out Anarchist Capitalism or Totalitarian Big Brother Communism. amirite?[/quote:3fbnasfq]


You made a claim, I pointed out that it was demonstrably false, at which point you turn to schoolyard debating tactics. At no time have I made any such statement as you postulated, and at no time have I even hinted at holding such an opinion, so stop with the retarded comebacks, they just make you look petty.

kalisti
June 18 2011, 03:21:37 PM
[quote=kalisti][quote="dr axler":2ycydopl]Capitalism and communism both have their ups and downs. I prefer capitalism because of the support of the free market resulting in sharing of technology and advancement of technology.

i'd imagine tech would advance faster with people working together for the same aim, rather than segmented secret business, driven by profit.

So thats why the soviet union and the old pre-capitalist china were world leaders in the advancement of science and technology. oh wait.

Because the only two options are All Out Anarchist Capitalism or Totalitarian Big Brother Communism. amirite?[/quote:2ycydopl]


You made a claim, I pointed out that it was demonstrably false, at which point you turn to schoolyard debating tactics. At no time have I made any such statement as you postulated, and at no time have I even hinted at holding such an opinion, so stop with the retarded comebacks, they just make you look petty.[/quote:2ycydopl]

so they werent oppressive governments? not stifling at all :roll:
also if you could read, i made the point which you went all tard over... not that guy :facepalm:

Tellenta
June 18 2011, 03:34:39 PM
Guess im sucked back into this thread because no-one has commented on this.

The U.S. dropping 2 nukes on civilians was hardly a great act in humanities history.
Though horrible, it still was an arguably better alternative than the planned invasion of japan. Without the atomic bombs, the resulting long drawn out war between the Japanese (Army+ Able-bodied men), the US forces, and the soviets attacking the Japanese somewhere, all sides would of suffered much greater loss of life. It also would of damaged the Japanese economy and culture much more. No-one wants that.
Case in point, although it sounds awful, dropping the bombs saved some lives.

While I'm bored I'll point out that people didn't reply to this as nuking Japan is the lazy mans troll bait these days. Considering that it was used in comparison to China's internal policies it was obvious that it was a troll. If however it was not a troll Ezra did a great job in showing his idiocy. Not only was his statement wildly off topic but there are literally shit tons of great examples he could have chosen to use instead of pulling out the 'lol I'll use the nukes troll'. Subsequently Ezra is clearly a terrible troll primarily because he leans on old tired and used trolls and secondly because he passed up an opportunity to troll by being both on topic and %100 factual.

Ezra I am disappoint.

kalisti
June 18 2011, 03:36:47 PM
also, question. have any of these communist countries actually (at any point) removed the class structure from their society? if so who and how long etc?
(im no history buff obv)

Tellenta
June 18 2011, 03:40:11 PM
also, question. have any of these communist countries actually (at any point) removed the class structure from their society? if so who and how long etc?
(im no history buff obv)

No.

kalisti
June 18 2011, 03:42:20 PM
also, question. have any of these communist countries actually (at any point) removed the class structure from their society? if so who and how long etc?
(im no history buff obv)

No.

<3

dr axler
June 18 2011, 03:54:24 PM
also, question. have any of these communist countries actually (at any point) removed the class structure from their society? if so who and how long etc?
(im no history buff obv)

No.

<3

Well if they didn't...they weren't communist ;)

kalisti
June 18 2011, 03:55:44 PM
also, question. have any of these communist countries actually (at any point) removed the class structure from their society? if so who and how long etc?
(im no history buff obv)

No.

<3

Well if they didn't...they weren't communist ;)
perhaps why i asked ;)

Tellenta
June 18 2011, 03:56:19 PM
also, question. have any of these communist countries actually (at any point) removed the class structure from their society? if so who and how long etc?
(im no history buff obv)

No.

<3

Well if they didn't...they weren't communist ;)

:nostradamus:

Ezra
June 18 2011, 04:03:20 PM
You're a fucking moron that tries too hard Tellenta.

XenosisReaper
June 18 2011, 04:06:01 PM
He has to keep trying to get his post number above mine somehow.

Tellenta
June 18 2011, 04:11:12 PM
You're a fucking moron that tries too hard Tellenta.

Japanese internment camps. That's just one of your multitude of better choices.


He has to keep trying to get his post number above mine somehow.

You win tbh, my posting has slowed down a lot recently. It's only that high because I had a severe case of 'nothing better to do' for a while. That has mostly changed.

kalisti
June 18 2011, 05:01:13 PM
[quote="dr axler":1gqovlw9]Capitalism and communism both have their ups and downs. I prefer capitalism because of the support of the free market resulting in sharing of technology and advancement of technology.

i'd imagine tech would advance faster with people working together for the same aim, rather than segmented secret business, driven by profit.

On the flip side there are plenty of people who would imagine that without the incentive to be rich you wouldn't have the same amount of effort put in.

I mean radio, PC's, spaceflight, were all developed to be rich or to be better than someone else.

Each of them were driven by a fuck the other guy/world I'm better than them attitude that broke through barriers and created a need for something that wasn't wanted.

Things we take for granted like running hot water weren't created out of a joint venture to solve a deep human need. They were created because someone had the slaves to do whatever the fuck they wanted.[/quote:1gqovlw9]

on the flip side money/business also holds up development in some cases.
the people (inventors/scientists) behind the ideas usually have a passion for what they do, money may have driven developments, but not the people.
you could always have two teams on the same side competing with each other, for the same competitive result tbh.

take the great minds from all sides and let them play together... hissy fits/egos aside. im sure it would be illuminating.
we've missed many great minds to wars, poverty etc i expect.
most of the money ends up in the hands of the few anyway, so people would be better off (richer) overall and have more incentive to add their 2cents, i believe you overstate humanities greed too.

in this current state i assume when the population of the earth gets too large for the earth to support, it'll mean war. if we'd been working together trying to get off the planet maybe it'd be star trek already, or at least by the point we have that problem, then we could go find someone else to fling pink bodies at, and maybe someone would be like 'hey this star trek shit, fuck it, right in its pointy ear, wheres the fucking megathrons yo!'.

slight
June 19 2011, 10:35:16 AM
The view that dropping the bomb on Japan, especially twice, was necessary to end the war was far from universally accepted even within the US at the time. Some interesting quotes against that idea from involved parties at the time here: www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm (http://www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm)

I really find it hard to believe that people can try to justify the indiscriminate mass killing of civilians like that. There's nothing anti-American in that by the way, I feel the same about the fire bombing of Dresden which my country took part in.

Veshta Yoshida
June 19 2011, 11:28:39 AM
Capitalisms hijack of scientific progress has neither added to or subtracted from the speed of discovery, all it has done is make some people filthy rich while denying less fortunate the fruits of advancement.

Ancient Greece, early Islam, China, Europe in decades up to start of industrial revolution, Persia, Imperial Rome etc. all made massive scientific discoveries merely because they provided answers or provided a solution to a problem and data benefited all plus was traded relatively freely externally as well as internally.
Before you say "but progress has been much faster since capitalism!!!11", will no shit Sherlock .. adjust those figures for the explosion in populations and get back to me ..

Isn't it generally accepted that the second Nagasaki bomb was dropped to verify that plutonium worked using implosion detonation (Hiroshima was standard critical mass U-235)?
Either way, once you accept that they were justified you automatically justify any measures taken during war in order to "save lives" .. torture, chemical/biological, genocide you name it becomes legit. No wonder discussion of that fateful week in history is rarely carried out.

EvilCarbon
June 25 2011, 08:03:04 PM
ATTENTION.

moust chinese hate talking about Political and religious in games

it is for private only.

in face.we hate talking them everywhere.

it is Disrespectful
----------we called it ???-----------
of course.Idiot living in everywhere.no exception

EvilCarbon
June 25 2011, 11:54:15 PM
Yes but Mao was an incestuous rapist, your argument is invalid.
could i believe this is a bad Impolite-joke?
or in your country you can say anyone is an incestuous rapist ?

Tellenta
June 25 2011, 11:58:50 PM
Yes but Mao was an incestuous rapist, your argument is invalid.
could i believe this is a bad Impolite-joke?
or in your country you can say anyone is an incestuous rapist ?

What is hard to understand about freedom of speech?

Awesome Possum
June 26 2011, 08:47:15 AM
Yes but Mao was an incestuous rapist, your argument is invalid.
could i believe this is a bad Impolite-joke?
or in your country you can say anyone is an incestuous rapist ?




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