Curse

[joe space]

didn't see a thread. made a thread.

PODLA and BLAUH moved to Hemin this weekend. just saw we whored a erebus kill:
http://blauh.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9924255

i have no informations yet. sorry. anyone else?

[rojomojo915]

Apparently -A- baited the titan because he had been dropping it on carriers that were undocking from stations in curse

[Phatstabley]

Easley has a write up about the Erebus kill, here (http://couldhavetakenitsolo.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/my-hero-cyno-saves-the-day-aaa-kills-erebus-in-hemin/).

[Archer]

He dropped that thing on one of our alliance roaming nanogangs. Really not surprised to see him go.

[Varcaus]

My poor Titan buddy :(

[BuRniZZ]

Good fight in G-0 today. WN were heading our way with a 120 man mach/cerb heavy gang with a decent amount of scimmies. A man isn't a man if he can't fight for his home so we started spamming channels telling people to get in fleet and got fairly similar numbers in drakes + scimmies.

We jumped into KLMT but WN were at around 100, which was horrible for us, so we jumped back and waited at 0 in G-0. 3 drakes somehow died in KLMT, but once their aggro cleared WN jumped into us and started to pull range. We chased and a brawl ensued. Reps could barely hold, but some ships died before we could lock + WN did a good job jamming our scimmies. Death or Glory and Gypsy Band jumped in after a while, and with our fleet being sandwiched between them we warped out and regrouped. Hard to tell yet, but I would say the 1st round went to WN. WN and DoG/Band shot at each other after we warped out so this was a proper 3-way.

The day wasn't over though. 5 minutes later, with people in new ships we warped back in at 0 on the WN fleet and the fun started all over again. Except for our temp NAP with 404 that is. They came in with a 40 man abaddon gang, targets begun actually dying, and our reps were holding. Think we lost 2-3 drakes in the 2nd engagement. After 10 minutes of pew WN realized they were losing and left system. We chased and got a couple of machariels, and local was flooded with GFs.

Local was at 400, lag was very light and I think everyone had fun.

http://init.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9981473 G-o fight

http://init.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_relate ... id=9981473 (http://init.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=9981473) Including adjacent.

http://eveolution.de/brdoc/?br=http%3A% ... red#assign (http://eveolution.de/brdoc/?br=http%3A%2F%2Finit.eve-kill.net%2F%3Fa%3Dkill_related%26kll_id%3D9980703&Not_Found_=blue&The_Initiative_=blue&Initiative_Mercenaries=blue&Red_Alliance=red&White_Noise_=red&Legion_of_xXDEATHXx=red&Death_or_Glory=red&Gypsy_Band=red&DarkSide_=red&Bright_Side_of_Death=red&Ultima_Rati_=red#assign)

This last one is made by RealDognose. And I love it.

Edit: The adjacent link includes some fights with darkside earlier but whatever. It shows how much fun Curse is.

[rndcursefgt]

teh fuk? don't tell anyone how much fun curse is! :(

great fight anyways, giant clash :)

[StevieTopSiders]

What is the state of solo PvP in Curse? I was down there tonight, setting up pounce spots and stuff in my 'Ranis. I want to learn how to do solo stuff, especially manual piloting and all that jazz.

[Archer]

If you're into killing Dramiels Curse is more like a blessing, for they are legion. I'm terribad at soloing but when I've attempted it I've either encountered said Drams/DDs, or gatecamps that always seem to have backup ready. Someone who lives deeper into curse might have a different opinion though!

[Hydro]

Nope, that's pretty well what you can expect for frig 1v1s with the odd non-dram being the exception.

[Sponk]

Looks like whoever's left in Mostly Harmless will be relocating to Curse. I expect them to shed a lot of chaff by the time they're settled in.

[Liptonez]

Haha yeah some corpmate actually tanked his DD with his archon. I was a little upset about missing the kill (not really). Congrats to Mukk though for finally getting the long deserved Titan kill.

[Gentle Glide]

Well hello there curse :D Lots of dudes station camping here with cloaky recons, really excited to shut that game down in the next few days.

[Securitas]

Curse is dead in US TZ pretty much. DIAT gets 20 man gangs up and there's nobody in the region that can match it. It sounds cool but it's just boring.

[Gix Tyrionn]

Curse is dead in US TZ pretty much. DIAT gets 20 man gangs up and there's nobody in the region that can match it. It sounds cool but it's just boring.

The cycle of noobs getting blobbed to newbs being blobs is complete!

[sinergistic]

Sorry to a bump a fairly dead thread, but I have a question related to Curse: Who would one want to get in touch with if they wanted to fly around curse relatively unmolested doing carebear things? Or is the US TZ dead enough that one doesn't need blues to have a mostly paranoid experience?

[Mr Marram]

If you want to do the epic arc then get a dram, if you want to whore missions then get a cloaky nullified tengu and have the subs in the hold and change out at a station in system.

[ohfuckoff]

Theres too many drams and cloaky nullified fuckwits in curse already.

[f0st3r]

Theres too many drams and cloaky nullified fuckwits in curse already.
Pretty much, but a dram or cloaky nullifed ship is your only chance. If you wanna do the epic arcs, please do. I enjoy killing the bears on the kickout stations in my sabre.. Always a chance of a Domi TP or Cyna BPC drop.. =)

[indeterminacy]

I, for one, am happy to be back in Curse. THORN deployed here for a few weeks last year with WTF and ME. Now we're back with some of the same friends and some new ones. Our first roam, we just burned towards Doril until we hit a camp.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11536153

killboard is a mess as there was a fight between a RAWR (+some Brickies) gang and the Property dudes. We had maybe 8 dudes and killed the red citizens in the myrm, harbi, sabre, cynabal, and cane. Not too sure what we had as it was a loooooong weekend of moving, it was late, and I was drink. I'm looking forward to killing many more RUS / RUSpets.

[n0th]

So i come home from drinking, check my alliances KB and....

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11570750
http://kb.morsus-mihi.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11570970
http://kb.ds-alliance.com/battle/b2899/#overview (classified for another 3+ hours. Shows 14min timeline, 27:81 and 39:8 killed)

Feeling a bit :obama: now, given MMs posting on kugu

[indeterminacy]

Just as many raging haters posting there as RAWR chestbeaters.

During formup for an op Sunday around 1800 some brickies were tarped in station by Wreck / Wreckless Chavs. They had I dunno 8-10 guys on station aggressing our guys trying to form up (mind you, we're all going on the same op, on the same side). So bait them, cyno up, and bridge on top of them killing 2 abaddons and a loki while the rest docked. Then I guess their diplo started raging at our diplo for killing them on station. I dunno how our thumping them was unjustified but, I predict this will all end hilariously.

loki http://brick.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11578732
abaddon http://brick.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11578938
abaddon http://brick.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11578691

[Hellkyte]

We moved into the general are recently and have been having a very good time down here. It seems like everyone is running 10-20 man gangs up and down the Doril to Vol pipe every day. Had quit a few good fights against those gangs. Although.....seriously wtf is up with the falconfalconfalconfalconfalcon gangs. I swear I have seen 8 man gangs with more falcons than dps ships.

But v0v we are adapting. Best fights I have had so far was with a -A- gang in pests and this last weekend in a shield BC fleet against 6packsyndicate. The latter was a complete romperstomping. Smack would have been much more fun if one of their pilots hadn't reminded me that he killed my vaga with his drake the night before.

Also had a very skin of the teeth loss to a......I can't remember their name but they were baiting with a phobos on a gate. Must not of thought very much of me because he started by sitting on the gate at zero with his sebo running (yeah, that's gonna work.) Then he intentionally(?) warped off and then back into our drag bubbles 100k behind the gate. Seemed like this was a huge mistake on his part because his buddies on the other side would not be able to get in range in time to save him. We were able to get him to 30% structure before rookrookrookrook. It was a good change from the falcons at least.

Edit: Oh yeah, and while I wasn't around for this, looks like one of our brand new waffle FCs (had never FC'd before or really pvp'd much) ran into hydra duders + Garmon in an Adrestia. The new FC chose to engage and die like a retarded lion. He will do well in waffles.

[indeterminacy]

Yes the fighting has been nice. This week was mostly spent going from H-ADOC through HLW to Doril, fighting along the way, en route to SBU and RF HED.

Now it seems, of all things, TEST has deployed to H-ADOC literally shitting up everything. We had about 40 of them trapped in the station by our 24 man fleet. They played docking games in hurricanes and pods (poorly in some cases) until finally undocking bait and cyno bridging in another 50-60 duders on station.

Frankly, it's just stupid now and TEST are WN meatshields?

edit for a now functional killboard and br: http://killboard.brick-squad.co.uk/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11768629

TEST think they're camping in RAWR and finishing them off. If you look at the BR you see there 2 RAWR of the 33 pilots. Rest are brick (mostly star frontiers, reliables, and thorn). clearly I also underestimated numbers of both sides, theirs by quite a bit.

So we have 6000 guys at a minimum organizing to camp about 350 guys in 3 corps in NPC 0.0. This is apparently what EVE has come to.

Also, hi hellkyte, sorry about that ishtar :P

[Shinah Myst]

As some of you might know Cascade Imminent (FAIL) deployed to H-ADOC a couple of days ago. Being good hosts DarkSide decided to give them a warm welcome (http://kb.ds-alliance.com/battle/r54992/) and engaged their 120-man Geddon-fleet with 40-man T3-gang. Once saw our cyno they ran home like headless chickens... just to be slaughtered by PL/NCdot (http://fail.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12556113). Stupid. Today's evening we had been blocking their undock with the same gang until they (tried to) gave us a fight (http://kb.ds-alliance.com/battle/b3539/). Not sure what they wanted to do, fits show they wanted to counter us with webs, but something went wrong, and FAIL was forced to dock. gf gf gf

[StevieTopSiders]

EVOL is forming a new alliance with SHIVA and the remnants of Gianstbane.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/The_Retirement_Club

We're moving to Curse. And that's about it for now. xD

[Tyrus Tenebros]

How does curse look during mid USTZ? 0100-0400 server?

[StevieTopSiders]

My corpmate and I did a roam at 03:00 last night. The only PvP'ers out and about were gatecamping the RMOC gate in Hemin.

http://evol.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13600631

They had some more T1 ships at the gate, but the nerds ran, although they got my PromMos into structure. Switching to 1600 plate to utilize all dem sick repair stations.

[Belegarath]

How does curse look during mid USTZ? 0100-0400 server?

We roam provi/curse/catch/low sec around assah almost every night....

Curse is TERRIBLE during that time. After messing around with -A- we'll normally take the "everyone talks and comms suck" attitude as we know we won't be seeing anything but a 2 or 3 man gate camp that runs from more than a frigate.

[Tyrus Tenebros]

How does curse look during mid USTZ? 0100-0400 server?

We roam provi/curse/catch/low sec around assah almost every night....

Curse is TERRIBLE during that time. After messing around with -A- we'll normally take the "everyone talks and comms suck" attitude as we know we won't be seeing anything but a 2 or 3 man gate camp that runs from more than a frigate.

You're in exodus? Yeah I welped my fleet on your g-5 gang not long ago because one of our basilisks warped to the wrong place and ~100AU so we were pretty done.

-a- isn't deployed at the moment so any time we get very deep in catch we just get trapped by a huge blob we have no hope of engaging. Looking for less blobby territory, sounds like Curse needs more fleets though :-/

not a lot of small-medium gangs roaming, though we get visitors sometimes.

[StevieTopSiders]

We did another roam today (Me in a Deimos; corpie dual-boxing Oneiros and Ishtar). We roamed down near G-O, seeing only a few roaming frigs and a 10-ish man gang in Zealots/Oracles (didn't check their corp/alliance in local, because I'm dumb). We headed back to Sendaya, and in Jorund, a 4-man gang who had not engaged us on our way into Curse (they were in 2x Sabres, Vagabond, Vigilant; camping the dead-end Farit gate...) had reshipped and were ready to fight.

I warped to their station, had some things undock and chase. The Lach followed us to gate, and aggressed, so I ordered us through (which, in retrospect, was dumb; I should have let more ships aggress). A Vagabond followed us, and we brawled him down quickly, despite a Scimitar jumping in at the end to give him reps. I started to turn my guns on the Cynabal, but at that point, with the Sleipnir now on field, the Oneiros's reps couldn't hold me. I died, and the Ishtar died soon after. Luckily, our Logi made out.

It was a good fight, and without the Sleipnir, I think we would have done much better.

http://evol.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13605161

[Belegarath]

You're in exodus? Yeah I welped my fleet on your g-5 gang not long ago because one of our basilisks warped to the wrong place and ~100AU so we were pretty done.
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Yep, I was one of the Guards. When you guys landed 50 off the 9-F gate I called for a warp back to Assah at 10 or 20k... had the dps start to move out towards 9-F hoping for another 50 call by you guys. When the inty landed I had them turn around to gate to not show our hand but as soon as you guys were off d-scan from 9-F/on dscan from us I told them to start burning out in that direction again. Then had someone else start making all the calls as I went into "logi mode".

All in all though, I'd love to see you guys out more often. I know CVA is primarily EU... but EE and -7- have a good sized USTZ but they just don't form up to fight. Either sit in their JB POS or dock up - pretty lame. You don't learn to pvp without losing mass amounts of ships. -7- had more logi and more DPS the other night and still ran back to their JB POS when they realized we had more than just 3 ships <-- Of sound mind/TSOE does this as well on their gate camps. More than 1 target? RUN AWAY. Gets lame.

Glad you guys fought though.

TL;DR.... Yep, I was there, thanks for a fight!

[XavierVE]

-7- had more logi and more DPS the other night and still ran back to their JB POS when they realized we had more than just 3 ships <-- Of sound mind/TSOE does this as well on their gate camps. More than 1 target? RUN AWAY. Gets lame.

We've fought you before when we had anything close to a gang that could kill even one of you. Typically you have off-grid booster T3's and outnumber us by 4-6 pilots, not to mention the obvious skill point advantage which multiplies the imbalance. Complaining that a scrub training alliance that purposely recruits sub-10 million SP people won't fight you outnumbered is goofy.

If I think we have a good shot at getting a good fight with you, we go for it, despite the fact that we know we'll come out losing a few more ships. We've fought you in YWSO and 9FOB on the rare occasions where I think we can get a fight out of it. We fought you on Sunday, even, after you had demolished the -7- fleet in YWSO. Went shitty (traded a tornado and brutix for a drake), but you can't say we didn't attempt to engage.

Would like to have more fights with you guys just so my guys can improve by fighting a competent group, but if I take 10-12 guys into 15-17 dudes with a off-grid booster advantage every night... then I'd be a retard who wouldn't get anyone to form up. No point to a one-sided suicide, and the advantage you get from the off-grid boosts you have up on every gang makes fighting you outnumbered a one-sided suicide.

I know to most of your guys everyone in Providence is in a single fleet and coordinating, but really, few of us cooperate on any level. Most fleets in US TZ Providence are operating on their own rather than one big ol' blob. Tyrus can testify to that.

Curse is so dead in US TZ, hopefully this new Retirement Club alliance can give a reason to visit once in a while.

[Belegarath]

Not trying to shit up the curse thread... but maybe if we keep talking more activity will occur!

We rarely have more than 12. I'm trying to find the last time we had more than 15 including the 1 Logi that we bring with nano. Normally if we've hit the 15 barrier unless we have a specific target (Lately -A- fleets that appear on the intel of which we formed 16 to go fight their 51 a few nights ago) we'll break down into 2 groups. Sure... doesn't mean that the groups don't talk to each other if someone forms up and they potentially need a bit of help... Just because you see 8 Exodus in one area doesn't mean the other 5 in R3 are able to support right away. Same principle for us more often than not, just like yourselves. I'm not saying you need to be a blob. Talk. That's it. Just talk. But as to blue's and the provi block...

What is the point of being blue if not to help each other when a threat appears, yes? (or annoyance... I don't view us as a threat) We realize very much that you guys are not a single coordinated fleet. The way in which you all act makes this very very, almost painfully, clear. We wouldn't have been able to take the EE/-7- group with yours most likely if you guys seemed to even have something of a plan together. You have each other's comms... I have their comms, I'll get on and introduce everyone so you guys can form up/bait/switch all night long. I talk to Raven pretty frequently... I'll convo you the next time I'm on them. Talking is key - find their FCs, co-ordinate. It's pretty easy and once you do it enough times it becomes routine. The YWSO fight that I think you are talking about we didn't even have a booster for. Miscommunication had some people thinking I brought mine... someone else brought theirs... long story short we didn't have one. Boosters help for sure... yet you can fit the links on Drakes with little issue to get some bonus if you do not want to take the 4-6 months to train a booster. Might not even take 4 months to get in a loki with shit leadership skills that will outperform a drake in that role.

But - I understand your sentiment, don't lose anything, keep camping, guys keep coming out to gank 1 or 2 things. Y'all are happy with that. If guys cannot take losses while learning to do something pvp oriented then this game is not for them. Stop camping. Roam. Take the guys and roam, you'll all be better off for it in the long run. New guys will learn way more than they can from sitting at a gate. Even if you don't fight us - roam and find someone else to slaughter.

[XavierVE]

But - I understand your sentiment, don't lose anything, keep camping, guys keep coming out to gank 1 or 2 things. Y'all are happy with that.

Not the sentiment at all, really. We've engaged you multiple times when we didn't have to on your current basing out of Assah and did so when you based closer to R3 last fall, but the whole "suicide into us so you'll get better" thing isn't realistic at all. Moving off position to avoid a stronger gang with a neutral off-grid booster has nothing to do with not wanting to lose ships, but rather a wish to not charge in like lemmings to a comp that is set-up with as little risk as possible.

If the goal is to get cheap ganks, it's better to be red to Proviblock than blue. You know that.

As for not forming a giant big ol' blob, it's for the better of each entity that we try to run our own fleets in times of non-invasion. You don't get better at all by forming up 35 man gangs to go fight 15-17 man gangs. Would rather move away from your gang when we can't engage than blob it up. You don't get better going to carebearland and destroying pots n' pans home defense fleets. You get better by engaging competent pilots that set out to PvP, the kind you can find roaming to Providence from time to time.

As for the YWSO fight, eyes saw neutral cloaky loki and tengu in system, engaged anyways. If they weren't off-grid boosting, great. I can't think of many, if any, times I've seen you guys have gangs up without one though. Which is obviously your right, but it causes people to not bother fighting you when they see it.


Might not even take 4 months to get in a loki with shit leadership skills that will outperform a drake in that role.

Trying to stay away from the imbalanced gimmicks, with the vain hope that CCP will swing the nerf-bat one day, don't want to come to rely on them. We quite respect the ability of your gangs and such, just trying to address the whole "They moved because they don't want a fight" stuff. Fights are great, walking into a predetermined slaughter because you're outmatched in numbers, boosts, skills, range, and speed? Nobody does that. Expecting people to do that just because "they're scrubs and that's what scrubs should do" is poor form. I don't smack when a gang avoids or moves off, most of the time they have a good reason to. It's more offensive when they suicide thoughtlessly.

[Belegarath]

So in other words a booster should only be allowed in blobs?

To take a 10-15 man gang out and be forced to dedicate someone to a otherwise worthless ship can kill a gang comp. Throw the vulture/claymore into a 60man group and you've lost nothing. That's about the only thing I find not balanced about them. Do you have the opportunity to train for one? Yes. Balance given by choice to train or not (much the same to my argument for tarding up the game and taking out the OPTION to train learning skills or not). Take away those boosts and that'll simply be yet another nerf bat to small gang warfare overall. Won't affect large gangs at all. So all in all... I'd expect it to happen eventually as the people in the vast null blobs bitch/whine/moan because they don't care to train up their own... easily done. And the toon continues to be usefull for other roles even if they do hit it with the nerf bat.

Also... if you don't like an off grid booster - probe him. It really is easy enough to do. We've had it happen to us and we've done it to others - we usually get 1-2 a month.

As a side note as well - I can guarantee the Tengu wasn't ours as there is no benefit for us to even run one. I know for a fact after looking at the fleet window in my fraps that we didn't have a Loki there. Not discounting all the other times.

Anyways... done shitting up the curse thread.

[Armeggeda]

Going to attempt to not be a fucking jack ass for once in my life.

TBH Xavier ever thought of using a different gang comp. ? There are a fuckton of ways to counter the gangs we run (yes running away is one because it pisses me off). Instead of using insta lock canes and rail brutixes(seriously..wtf)...use oh idk arty Munnins or armor T3's or have 1 or 2 competent recon pilots in your gang OR the biggest sugestion of them all...Get your own loki booster ? None of sugested is that hard tbh and if your gonna train your guys to get better , which is a respectable thing to do, you need to switch up the comps. i get pissed at bele for allways flying the same shit..and once in a blue moon when we Do run armor T3's half our alliance is scratching there god damn heads because were all fucking nano fags. Also camping gates 24/7 doesnt really improve pilots skill.

TLDR , Fly other shit get a loki booster.

Shit/emo ragey post over. :emo: (prepares to take in the ass by an admin for being off topic)

[StevieTopSiders]

Did a roam last night. Corpie single-boxing Oneiros; me in Deimos. We went through Provi and Catch, seeing nothing until we happened upon Adversity. in some Assault Frigs. Like the dishonourable cowards they are, they ran, but as we followed them into Curse to complete our roam, they made a stand on the Utopia gate in Litom. Except, when I aggressed, they jumped through. :v

During that Mexican standoff, a Harbinger was watching the fight from a pounce. When the assualt frigs jumped through, he warped closer to the gate and turned towards station as I burned towards him. On the station, he let me aggress him and he was going down with relative ease. When he got to hull, I was like, "Damn this nerd; he's just gonna dock and I'll have wasted ammo." Well, although he wasn't aggressed, he never docked, so I got the killmail (http://evol.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13611191). He reshipped into a Drake, and along with some dude from another corp, they started to play docking games. Finally, the assortment of corps/alliances managed to get two Drakes and a Myrmidon on station. The brick-tank Drake and the Myrm aggressed, so I went for the Myrm. I was breaking through his active tank, despite a Scimitar undocking to rep him. However, I was jammed a few times by ECM drones, and that allowed him to fix his armor tank a bit and force me to rip through shields again as the Scimi repped. When he finally docked, in 50% structure, I turned to a nearby Drake. "Local spike!" warned my corpmate. I stopped aggro'ing the Drake, and I began to MWD toward the other station in system. Well, that was apparently retarded, because enemy frigs landed me and got point on me before I was out of hte Drake's point range. Suddenly, I was 30km off station, triple-webbed, with the enemy gang MWD'ing towards me. Still holding delusions of survival, I did not attack anything and slowboated to station. Remarkably, the Oneiros reps were holding. Until he, too, was jammed by ECM drones.

I lost my semi-pimped Deimos (http://evol.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13611190), and was greatly saddened. gfgf blobbers

[Lex Arson]

Did a roam last night. Corpie single-boxing Oneiros; me in Deimos. We went through Provi and Catch, seeing nothing until we happened upon Adversity. in some Assault Frigs. Like the dishonourable cowards they are, they ran, but as we followed them into Curse to complete our roam, they made a stand on the Utopia gate in Litom. Except, when I aggressed, they jumped through. :v

I thought long and hard about going for it but ultimately decided against it, on the grounds that with four assault frigs, we didn't have enough DPS to break the deimos in time even if we forced the Oneiros to crash gate and jump; he would've had plenty of time to burn back to gate, jump, and rep you back up, all while we would've been losing AF's. It was four in the morning at that point and I was already up much later than intended (had to get up for work in 3 hours), and ultimately I decided I wasn't going to derp most/all of us into chasing a kill we had a very slim chance of getting.

Also, I was tired and cranky.

[StevieTopSiders]

It's k, maigne. I don't think you should have engaged, either, and our shenanigans made that Harb interested enough to play and die to me. But yeah, Curse needs moar mid-late USTZ. Bring your boys up, Tyrus.

[Varcaus]

Please do tyrus i wanna move back to curse for non worthless pve ;)

[Tyrus Tenebros]

On the topic of hiding / not hiding / engaging.

CJEVE has been purposefully been recruiting players with semi-significant SP, and we've got decent numbers.

I'm not 100% sure we can reliably engage against a fully trained gang (because we tend to end up filling out our fleet using a few less-experienced pilots)

But I'll see what I can do over the weekdays.

[Armeggeda]

On the topic of hiding / not hiding / engaging.

CJEVE has been purposefully been recruiting players with semi-significant SP, and we've got decent numbers.

I'm not 100% sure we can reliably engage against a fully trained gang (because we tend to end up filling out our fleet using a few less-experienced pilots)

But I'll see what I can do over the weekdays.

Would be fun to fight you guys when you get more experianced members. you fly good gangs (usually) but your low sp members usually fuck it for you :facepalm:

[Lex Arson]

Had a small scrap with Stevie's Deimos + Oneiros combo in Doril again today. We had 6 AF's in fleet + 1 old friend we happened to run into unannounced on that gate who helped out. Maybe a bit blobby yes, but he aggressed us first, and it wasn't like I was going to tell people not to get on the mail :) He almost took down one of our harpies but I had the brains to call for all webs on the deimos so the harpy could pull range and warp (the oneiros was aggressed with drones and couldn't jump; he died).

http://adversity.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13630723

We later accidentally'd into a gang of a couple canes, and sabre, and a rapier; it's almost like all minmatar ships are designed to be anti-frigate. Due to a scouting miscommunication we accidentally jumped into them, all managed to jump back but the rapier was able to tackle our rupture (http://adversity.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13631244) on the side; nothing we could've really done to get him out of there sadly.

[StevieTopSiders]

The fishy thing is that the oneiros didn't have drones to aggress you with. :D

Midori wants you to know that he died, because he has honoure (and he couldn't jump through the gate for some reason. vOv). That wasn't really a good decision to engage on my part, but now I know to avoid AF gangs in my Deimos. lol.

tl;dr- Lex restores honoure by engaging.

[indeterminacy]

How does curse look during mid USTZ? 0100-0400 server?

Having moved back into the area we had this fight Friday: http://thorn.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13609902

2 of our losses were dictors, 2 were close range fit ships in a long range fleet. we simply kited them and after killing their tackle and proving we could break reps (they actually out scimi'd us) on what was left they fucked off. The actual fight lasted quite a while and was good fun.

[Tyrus Tenebros]

Had a GF against the Thorn / 401k Setup in muninns.

I was afraid they would be formed in that, and brought Shield Ti3s on the roam anyways, which are light on raw EHP....

We were on our way to doril, looping through catch / curse, when i noticed a fairly large number of jumps on dotlan around g-0q86.

We redirected, and while we were SUPPOSED to be waiting for our last logistics, who DC'd, half my fleet warped to the G-0 Gate in KLMT as G-0 spiked with the 401k/Thorn muninn fleet. I warped the remainder of the fleet through and we jumped to g-0, where we ganked an overeager muninn. we got off gate (which ended up being a mistake) and they jumped through and engaged. They outlogi'd us by 1, but the key factor turned out to be alpha more than anything. They wiped a couple of our light tackle and then started hammering our main dps. We warped out, regrouped, and jumped back in to KLMT for round 2, staying grouped and close-ish to the gate... we popped another muninn and sabre, but continued to take losses so we once again bailed and left the field to them, losing a tornado (not sure if he had been hard tackled earlier or just didn't hit his MWD early enough) on the way out.

We traded ~goodfites~ in local and prepared to depart, 401k/Thorn apparently intending to allow us to leave like gentlemen.... our "scouts" (aka pods) trying to flee, however, ran in to a camp of 5 on the KLMT gate in HLW... the bulk of the hostile fleet had gone back to G-0 however, so we made the call to run the 5 man rear guard camp. We avenged several of our losses here, scoring another muninn and sabre kill + drake/cane kills as well. The muninn gang finally jumped in as the last tackle was dropped and we warped out again. Pursuit ended there and our fleet returned to providence uneventfully.


BR including adjacent kills from our perspective:

http://kb.cva-eve.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=235362&adjacent=1

we show an even total result but I'm under the impression we may have lost a couple of non-cva in the fight as well.

[Varcaus]

Good fight guys (not in local cause of pod scouting )

[Lex Arson]

Ran a little kitey-type fleet through providence, wicked creek, catch, and then finally back home to Curse. Didn't really find much in the way of engagements except for a few poorly fit BC's (http://adversity.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13653442) that bit our bait (the bait that solo'd the harby and cane and would've likely had no issue soloing the other harby + maller).

After that it was mostly a roam of chasing things that ran from us, a random gank here and there, chasing some more stuff, and then heading home. Afterwards we promptly hotdropped a lolz-chimera (http://adversity.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13654863) in Immensea.

Dunno what all this talk of Curse being dead in USTZ is vOv we've found plenty of good stuff during the night to pew pew.

[indeterminacy]

THORN's board from last night:

G-O http://thorn.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13655718
KLMT http://thorn.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13655748

Would do again and was the highlight of the night as the 98724589728903745 dudes we found later in Etherium Reach did not share our sense of space honoure and camped us to fuck for like 90 minutes.

[indeterminacy]

Capped off busy weekend and celebrated alphastarpilot's return from vacation with an amazing fight against Gents in Hemin.

We had 40 dudes in our Muninn fleet (not all muninns but canes, light tackle, and 5 scimis as well). We just went and camped their station until Gents brought a fight (not that they weren't planning on it mind you). A deal was made to avoid shooting FCs, gfgf was inbound.

So on the station lands tempests, hurricanes, scimis, and RF Firetails - a brawl ensues with both sides warping around grid occasionally trying to get the upper hand and neither really succeeding and spending a lot of time bashing each other in the face, changing targets trying to find a weak point. We have a hard time with tempests but find the hurricanes to be good targets for us. As time goes on we are loosing a ship every time we reposition and it's usually a recon or logi. So we're down to 3 logis from 5 and gents are reshipping as they die and are up to 7 logis from 3.

We've killed a lot and will just be slowly ground down if we stay so we headed for LJ- as Gents got on a Titan. We expected a drop on the route back and there was...but it was 20,000 km of the gate so, welp :p

Battle report is beyond readable because we smart bombed to clear drones a few times and THORN Alliance is still not able to be moved on dog-net w/e thing.

Some facts:
34 kills on the THORN board: 7 RF Firetails, 4 Tempest, 10 canes, 5 scimis with a cpl rifters and a muninn thrown in.
5 losses including Raptor, Ishkur, Rifter, Muninn, Huginn.

Retirement club lost Sabre, Falcon, Scimi, 2 muninn, crow, hound, 2 rupture, curse
Init/IM had a scimi with us as well, he died.

I'd swear the fight lasted 20 minutes.

Link for what it's worth: http://thorn.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13695987

tl;dr
Great fight in Hemin vs Gents to end the weekend. Lots died on both sides we think we came out ahead. Would do again.

[Tyrus Tenebros]

started roaming curse to avoid blobs and hotdrops.

Immediately got hotdropped by Gentlemen's agreement fleet instead of getting a ~goodfite~ against falcon + 6 BC.

Although. The BC fleet MAY have been ROL and GENTS was opportunistic on a 3-way as their cyno excuse, but... it was still a bit of a disappointment after getting a couple of goodfites last week.

Ah well v0v roll of the dice i suppose.

[StevieTopSiders]

started roaming curse to avoid blobs and hotdrops.

Immediately got hotdropped by Gentlemen's agreement fleet instead of getting a ~goodfite~ against falcon + 6 BC.

Although. The BC fleet MAY have been ROL and GENTS was opportunistic on a 3-way as their cyno excuse, but... it was still a bit of a disappointment after getting a couple of goodfites last week.

Ah well v0v roll of the dice i suppose.

If you make it to LJ-, you will be met with honoure.

[StevieTopSiders]

I see we got a quick slap on the wrist from Exodus.

http://kb.eve-401k.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13735281

BR?

[Lex Arson]

I see we got a quick slap on the wrist from Exodus.

http://kb.eve-401k.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13735281

BR?

I wasn't there, but from the looks of it Imperial Legion got a bit more than a slap on the wrist: http://exodus.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13735482

[Calderus]

BR?

Sure. Holy shit, this got long, so tl;dr - fun fights with the denizens of the far east, first Goons, wtf, then 401k/Thorn, followed by two rounds with ImpL.

The fight above ended up getting a bit bigger, actually split over three rounds:

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=8209

We (ExodusDOT) formed up to roam in our typical nano fleet - drakes and nados/oracles - with some new friends in Adversity along for the ride. Being largely moon time zone where most of eve is going to sleep and fights are not always easy to come by, we do our usual look at map > pick bright light > leeroy there at best speed while making fun of each other and listening to terrible music to pass the time.

We've had some fun scraps with the various residents of the East in Kalevala, Scalding, ER, and that area while they've been engaging in sov fights. We have utterly no dog in that hunt, but will go shoot anyone we can find and get tackle on. Biggest light was in KZF where map said ~35 in space. We burned the 20 or so jumps, only to see the light start dissipating just as we get close (fml). We get a scout into system, holding a couple out, and see SBUs onlining with 15 mins or so to go.

So we wait to see if anything shows up. Suddenly a wild Goon gang of 15ish or so frigs-BCs appears and leeroys into us, no idea why or what they were doing out there but we appreciate the the fight. I'm going to guess they found a wormhole or something into the area.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13735014

But not much seemed to be going on in KZF, home of Imperial Legion (I think, at least for now). Sad face; so we burn toward a few other lights, which turn out to be nothing but ratting systems. Then one of our very observant meta-scouts links an interesting KM: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13735102. When we can't find a good fight, we generally just turn on each other, so this KM sparks a retarded debate on exactly how much LO a rapier needs to light a cyno, and the probability he was an in-cyno for a gang or something tasty like caps. So we burn a scout over while raging at each other (standard decision making procedure for our clusterfuck FC style), to find out that he was in fact an in-cyno, for a moderate sized 15ish man 401k / Thorn gang that is repping the SBUs and skirmishing with ImpL bombers.

We burn over, one of our duders derps into the system and possibly spooks 401k, causing us to miss them all on the warp-in. :RAGE: But, luckily their warrior spirit kicks in and 401k/Thorn warp back in on us at 40 or 50. We have a material DPS advantage, but they have the rep advantage with 4 scimis and 2 falcons to our 1 hero scimi. Our tier 3 pilots are salivating at the opportunity to blap stuff b/c we think they're in insta-locking anti-bomber arty canes (and b/c of :falcon:); we get one falcon, (who isn't showing up and Dog / Eve-kill is acting screwy), three canes and a talos at which point its clear we're alphaing right through reps and 401k/Thorn opts to disengage, losing a couple of scimis tackled behind.

GFs exchanged, we loot and are about leave, when Imperial Legion gets jealous of our fun and warps in on us in a bunch of drakes / scimis / stuff. WOOT! Bonus round begins. A quick 5-10 minute scrap commences, with us cycling targets, trying to break reps while keeping range. We lose a cane (post your loss coward) and nearly one of our taloses, but are killing a few here and there as well. ImpL realizes they're light on tackle and opts to disengage, as they're not really killing many of us once we get properly to range.

However, we have awoken momma bear and she's going to defend her den. ImpL reships, an archon is undocked, and they warp back to us for double bonus round, this time with more dudes, more scimis, and MOAR drakes! But still very little tackle, which proves to be a problem for them. Our tackle latches onto the archon - we figure as long as we can keep him on field, they'll keep coming in to save him - and we go to work on the rest of the fleet. We're unable to break the brick tanked drakes due to scimis + carrier reps but are blapping right through everything else. As duders die they reship and return, and more drakes keep landing; after 15 mins or so of brawling at overheated point range from the carrier we are eventually forced away, allowing the archon to warp off. We grab what we can, the rest disengage, and many GFs are exchanged in local.

Thanks for the fights to our warrior friends in 401k / Thorn and angry bears in ImpL. I'm nearly certain we got fraps of some of it, at least the last round, so we'll try to throw some up on youtube if it looks decent. We're pretty bad at fraps and actually creating vids though so no promises.

[Armeggeda]

I see we got a quick slap on the wrist from Exodus.

http://kb.eve-401k.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13735281

BR?

I wasn't there, but from the looks of it Imperial Legion got a bit more than a slap on the wrist: http://exodus.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13735482



BR?

Sure. Holy shit, this got long, so tl;dr - fun fights with the denizens of the far east, first Goons, wtf, then 401k/Thorn, followed by two rounds with ImpL.

The fight above ended up getting a bit bigger, actually split over three rounds:

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=8209

We (ExodusDOT) formed up to roam in our typical nano fleet - drakes and nados/oracles - with some new friends in Adversity along for the ride. Being largely moon time zone where most of eve is going to sleep and fights are not always easy to come by, we do our usual look at map > pick bright light > leeroy there at best speed while making fun of each other and listening to terrible music to pass the time.

We've had some fun scraps with the various residents of the East in Kalevala, Scalding, ER, and that area while they've been engaging in sov fights. We have utterly no dog in that hunt, but will go shoot anyone we can find and get tackle on. Biggest light was in KZF where map said ~35 in space. We burned the 20 or so jumps, only to see the light start dissipating just as we get close (fml). We get a scout into system, holding a couple out, and see SBUs onlining with 15 mins or so to go.

So we wait to see if anything shows up. Suddenly a wild Goon gang of 15ish or so frigs-BCs appears and leeroys into us, no idea why or what they were doing out there but we appreciate the the fight. I'm going to guess they found a wormhole or something into the area.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13735014

But not much seemed to be going on in KZF, home of Imperial Legion (I think, at least for now). Sad face; so we burn toward a few other lights, which turn out to be nothing but ratting systems. Then one of our very observant meta-scouts links an interesting KM: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13735102. When we can't find a good fight, we generally just turn on each other, so this KM sparks a retarded debate on exactly how much LO a rapier needs to light a cyno, and the probability he was an in-cyno for a gang or something tasty like caps. So we burn a scout over while raging at each other (standard decision making procedure for our clusterfuck FC style), to find out that he was in fact an in-cyno, for a moderate sized 15ish man 401k / Thorn gang that is repping the SBUs and skirmishing with ImpL bombers.

We burn over, one of our duders derps into the system and possibly spooks 401k, causing us to miss them all on the warp-in. :RAGE: But, luckily their warrior spirit kicks in and 401k/Thorn warp back in on us at 40 or 50. We have a material DPS advantage, but they have the rep advantage with 4 scimis and 2 falcons to our 1 hero scimi. Our tier 3 pilots are salivating at the opportunity to blap stuff b/c we think they're in insta-locking anti-bomber arty canes (and b/c of :falcon:); we get one falcon, (who isn't showing up and Dog / Eve-kill is acting screwy), three canes and a talos at which point its clear we're alphaing right through reps and 401k/Thorn opts to disengage, losing a couple of scimis tackled behind.

GFs exchanged, we loot and are about leave, when Imperial Legion gets jealous of our fun and warps in on us in a bunch of drakes / scimis / stuff. WOOT! Bonus round begins. A quick 5-10 minute scrap commences, with us cycling targets, trying to break reps while keeping range. We lose a cane (post your loss coward) and nearly one of our taloses, but are killing a few here and there as well. ImpL realizes they're light on tackle and opts to disengage, as they're not really killing many of us once we get properly to range.

However, we have awoken momma bear and she's going to defend her den. ImpL reships, an archon is undocked, and they warp back to us for double bonus round, this time with more dudes, more scimis, and MOAR drakes! But still very little tackle, which proves to be a problem for them. Our tackle latches onto the archon - we figure as long as we can keep him on field, they'll keep coming in to save him - and we go to work on the rest of the fleet. We're unable to break the brick tanked drakes due to scimis + carrier reps but are blapping right through everything else. As duders die they reship and return, and more drakes keep landing; after 15 mins or so of brawling at overheated point range from the carrier we are eventually forced away, allowing the archon to warp off. We grab what we can, the rest disengage, and many GFs are exchanged in local.

Thanks for the fights to our warrior friends in 401k / Thorn and angry bears in ImpL. I'm nearly certain we got fraps of some of it, at least the last round, so we'll try to throw some up on youtube if it looks decent. We're pretty bad at fraps and actually creating vids though so no promises.

Fuck you EL i was writing a BR and went afk for dinner , came back and you wrote it *emo rages*:emo:

[indeterminacy]

yo IMP-L, dreads on station, in a bubble? that's bad mkay

[Lex Arson]

We lose a cane (post your loss coward) It's posted (I made sure) but not showing up on any of the BR's for whatever reason, even on our board. vOv

[HakerElite]

Video of the Exodus. vs Imperial Legion fight in KZFV-4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPKRAvB61L0

[StevieTopSiders]

Dishonoure Curse!

http://kb.eve-401k.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13910862

Tyrus brought a fleet up to poke 401k. We pinged Jabber to get some shield BC's, but THORN's 50-man FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHT Moonin Fleet raced home to cut them off. A few kills were had, and some neutrals in the THORN fleet tried to shoot 401K, but we alpha'ed a Rapier to make a point.

[n0th]

So i jumpcloned over from Syndicate to join a gang, and man the small gang action in Curse/surroundings seems to pick up nicely again.

http://kb.ds-alliance.com/battle/r69211/ o7'd a small OOS gallente brawl fleet (they had like 12 duders and 2 Oneiros, we had a lone Scimi)
http://kb.ds-alliance.com/battle/r69213/
http://kb.ds-alliance.com/battle/r69215/ SOLAR 20man Draek gang with a fucking Rattlesnake as bait (couldnt point because t1 no mindlink loki )

Also 401k m00nins in KZFV, IMP-L structure shoot fleet w/ like 25 Ruptures (they ran ofc, we got some retard bombers though), random duders in oracles/support (w/ skirmish loki) bouncing safespots in panic, despite outnumbering us etc. Toog tiems~

[Tyrus Tenebros]

Dishonoure Curse!

http://kb.eve-401k.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13910862

Tyrus brought a fleet up to poke 401k. We pinged Jabber to get some shield BC's, but THORN's 50-man FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHT Moonin Fleet raced home to cut them off. A few kills were had, and some neutrals in the THORN fleet tried to shoot 401K, but we alpha'ed a Rapier to make a point.

Yeah we made an attempt to roll through, and almost killed a drake elsewhere, but alphastar was having none of the whole "well no shit I won't engage a fleet twice my size in an alpha config when i have too many melty ships" thing. He instead decided to commit 90% of his force to the lone drake his prober tackled (the rest of us rolling safe'd as advertised). This allowed us to escape and roll out to safetey more or less. We had a few ships caught between the escape and jumps, but nothing horribly significant.

negative props to alphastar for not recognizing us wanting to leave (not that that's technically a requirement of an FC) when we could have avoided him at will (logging, blueballing, etc.)
questionable props to stevie for trying to fight but notsureifserious about whether he knew where alphastar was or not.

[indeterminacy]

questionable props to stevie for trying to fight but notsureifserious about whether he knew where alphastar was or not.

You're being trolled by 401k. One of their little birdies recalled FNL Squad with a plan to execute a pincer movement. Drink Smoke Drink Drink and all being said...I'm not entirely sure of the details of this particular engagement beyond what I have already conveyed.

Don't feel bad about the troll though. They do the same thing to us by bringing BCs to muninn/recon gangs. :D

[Tyrus Tenebros]

questionable props to stevie for trying to fight but notsureifserious about whether he knew where alphastar was or not.

You're being trolled by 401k. One of their little birdies recalled FNL Squad with a plan to execute a pincer movement. Drink Smoke Drink Drink and all being said...I'm not entirely sure of the details of this particular engagement beyond what I have already conveyed.

Don't feel bad about the troll though. They do the same thing to us by bringing BCs to muninn/recon gangs. :D
.*shrug*. We got out without extensive losses so nbd
We went through curse again last night and brushie et al stayed docked / scouted us a few times.

Thorn/401k had about 60? Logged in, we had 20 in gang. Gave them a reasonable amount if time to form up to fight 20, killed a couple unlucky/bads. I finally decided anything they had formed up by then was going to dumpster what we had so we bailed out.

Did get a GF against a small ROL fleet in northprovi earlier but this is the curse thread :-P

[Billy Colorado]

...how is Curse during PST?

[indeterminacy]

questionable props to stevie for trying to fight but notsureifserious about whether he knew where alphastar was or not.

You're being trolled by 401k. One of their little birdies recalled FNL Squad with a plan to execute a pincer movement. Drink Smoke Drink Drink and all being said...I'm not entirely sure of the details of this particular engagement beyond what I have already conveyed.

Don't feel bad about the troll though. They do the same thing to us by bringing BCs to muninn/recon gangs. :D
.*shrug*. We got out without extensive losses so nbd
We went through curse again last night and brushie et al stayed docked / scouted us a few times.

Thorn/401k had about 60? Logged in, we had 20 in gang. Gave them a reasonable amount if time to form up to fight 20, killed a couple unlucky/bads. I finally decided anything they had formed up by then was going to dumpster what we had so we bailed out.

Did get a GF against a small ROL fleet in northprovi earlier but this is the curse thread :-P

What time did you roll through? We had a [mostly] THORN frig gang numbering around 25 out around 0200 time frame. We started by heading towards Hemin but quickly reversed direction in favor of killing Derp Legion up in scalding pass...a MSB "PVP" Tengu being the highlight. lol, he died so fast I couldn't apply any DPS in my Taranis but managed to whore on by overheating my scram.

PS roaming aside, we are stood down this week.


...how is Curse during PST?

Our corporation (THORN Syndicate) is quite heavy late USTZ (ie, PST) and Lucian James is up all night when he's on so there are often people active in the vicinity of Curse ranging from HED all the way to RYC in Scaling Pass.

[Tyrus Tenebros]

we saw the frigate gang, and the was on top of about 50 or so in LJ-.

Any chance you can point us in the direction of other moderate sized gangs out past curse or so? Dotlan always seems pretty empty ....

[StevieTopSiders]

I resent my honoure being called into question. My hastily formed BC fleet was not working in conjunction with the THORN xX420Xx Moonin fleet.

What indet is referring to is riverini hopping over from THORN onto 410K comms and being like, "Hold up, we are cominkf back to keel dem."

You came into our staging system, and the members of 401K who can't be bothered with Friday Night Lights formed up a gang to fight you. Friday Night Lights also saw you in our shared intel channel, and turned around to kill you. They arrived before our gang even had time to fully form and get a fight without THORN descending upon us.

[Tyrus Tenebros]

It's ok the general Curse HonoUr was restored tonight by the engagement of two fine T1 cruiser blobs. We ended up with more than i initially suspected, but when we neared HLW we thought Thorn may have brought more backup from 401k. As it happens we didnt really care because lolt1cruisers... (our FC was surprisingly timid given that, but eventually found his testes and brought us in to the fight)... turns out curse Bros didnt have as much, as indeterminancy had said (Thorn/401k had their fleet split up weird so we were smelling trap of some sort).

Fight was had: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13976954

GFs and amarr victors in local. Felt like they went after our potential FCs one by one, but then I was in a vexor so kind of a natural primary anyways i guess.

In any case, I managed to buy a ful meta0 fit thorax (with the exception of a T2 RCU) in the same system (I mentioned how crap my dps was with meta0+T1 ammo... and i was still doing more than half the fleet ... wtf)

I only mention this last part because we later tried to engage a CFC nanofleet full of shiny vagabonds and cynabals who ran from us like cowards because we wouldnt jump in to kiters set up off the gate (nbs).... but CFC being CFC managed to lose a vagabond anyways.... to my meta0 fit thorax landing first tackle and getting top damage.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13977276

dealwithit.gif

[indeterminacy]

Thanks for flying around to meet us. We had a new FC last night and a new doctrine which personally I am not a fan of (hence my presence in a taranisisis as i have exactly 2 armor ships...an abaddon and a guardian).

Expect lots of this kind of thing (small to med gangs in cheap, funky shit) this week as we're generally stood down as I said and encouraging eager people to 'have a go'.

[indeterminacy]

Any chance you can point us in the direction of other moderate sized gangs out past curse or so? Dotlan always seems pretty empty ....

IMP-L (Imperial Legion)...if you can get them to fight you, are fucking terrible and deserve to be expelled from 0.0 Sov in the worst way. Take that T1 cruiser gang from last night with some additional tackle and a prober and you can camp an entire station system with a few guys on each gate getting kills. If/when they form, you will rape them. They have two doctrines: Drakes and Bombers. Plan accordingly.

So, Scalding Pass HJ-, KZF, RYC, 28Y

If you want help, let us know :p

[StevieTopSiders]

A fleet of snipey-ish CVA BC's visited our home system last night, while I was leading a mixed shield fleet through IMP-L space, ready to provide subcap support to some caps we had structure grinding. Upon seeing them in intel channel, however, we raced home to cut them off. One of the SHIVA guys lit a cyno at their deathstar POS, and CVA warped to it, losing a number of ships. When my fleet jumped into system, they warped off to sun, and we did so, too, hoping to catch them. They landed a little bit before us, and thus, we were only able to point a few things. They then docked up in station, so we resumed our capital coverage.

gf CVA; it's refreshing to have people roam through Curse instead of gatecamp.

http://kb.eve-401k.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14121115

[kombatunit]

One of the SHIVA guys lit a cyno at their deathstar POS, and CVA warped to it, losing a number of ships.

CVA FC has been thoroughly and repeatedly admonished for assuming cyno was at station. Welp.

[Daneel Trevize]

Wouldn't have happened if he'd been on an RvB Ganked roam. Not after the first time Mang fleetwarps the lot of us to one just because moons and stations around the same celestial are at basically identical distances it's funny

[TimNeilson]

Alway warp to cynos at zero. Always.

[indeterminacy]

So long Curse!

I pushed the idea to move here as I felt it would good for our corp. It has been. We leave with about a 30% buff to our corp numbers and +1 alliance (THORN Alliance). Off to try something new in far away places.

Thanks for all the fights Curse duders. (and good luck to IMP-L until the next predator comes along)

[StevieTopSiders]

Some bitch-ass Nagas got slashed tonight.

http://kb.eve-401k.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14284686

401K has an endemic lack of Lachesis pilots, so we weren't really able to hold too many ships down until our final warp-in landed us a bubble.

gf CVA

[Tyrus Tenebros]

Been a long time since I've done the sniper warping dance.

We did force 401k off the field twice (and they bubbled themselves in nicely for us once as well) before we were too slow on the draw and got caught. Good engagement and good practice run.

Edit: despite eventually getting caught I was convinced the theory was decent given we even managed to alpha a couple muninns off the field

[StevieTopSiders]

Provifags outside of Provi not FC'ed by Tyrus?

I, too, am surprised.

Eternal Evocations left their safe ratting pocket for the scariness of Curse in a T1 Cruiser gang. We played around in a few ships while a gang formed, and then voila:

http://kb.eve-401k.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14305942

Good fight. Glad to see Northern Provi (Dotlan Northern) roaming.

[Willaev]

Provifags outside of Provi not FC'ed by Tyrus?

Good fight. Glad to see Northern Provi (Dotlan Northern) roaming.

That's been going on for months.

[indeterminacy]

Still with the armor cruisers? c'mon...

[root]

Lets bump this thread \o/

My lowsec corp abandoned our warm nest in Molden Heath for one night and roamed with 4x RR Arbitrator, 1x Ruppie (for damage) and 1x Stabber Fleet (Tackle) * through nearby L0L.L0L sec.
And eh .. this is my first BR on English, so please bear with me.

From Molden Heath we entered some empty Great Wildlands systems, after some jumps we found a gang consisting of Sleip, 2 Canes, Talos, SFI and a Scimi.
SFI was prime, when he almost was out of armor we change prime to Scimi because of FC fuckup, ECM and miscommunication. As soon as they realize they could not break our tank (~2200 HP/s) they all got away .. because we fucked up again. No one had tackle on ships that had aggression :(

Next stop: Curse, M-N7WD
We where waiting on a gate and saw 1x Tengu, 1x Typhoon and 1x Talos on D-scan. As soon as they landed on grid we jumped and they jumped with us. Prime was Talos who was down quick. (http://spam.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14485723) Took some time to take down the Typhoon (http://spam.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14485722) but he did not do much damage with his torps on our AB Cruisers.
While we lootet a Mael and Fleet Tempest jumped in. A mael with 2x X-large ASB can easy take down a couple of cruisers, right? Well, not if you don't take any Cap Boosters with you. *boom* (http://spam.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14485720)
We scramed+webbed the Fleet Tempest ~16km of the constalation gate, but we got some trouble with his smartbomb. I tried bumping him but was not that successful, he was getting close to the gate. Suddenly he aggresses again and local spiked.
*HEAT HEAT HEAT*
Triple plated Fleet tempest down. (http://spam.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14485718) Damage Taken: 73,677. It took forever with low damage cruiser :S
Now there were multiple canes and small tackle on grid. All spreading there neuts on our RR ships. Our capchain broke down and we all died while trying to shoot a cane.

BR/Related kill: http://spam.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14485706

It was an awesome fight! I did not have so much fun in a long time, thanks goes out to 'The Gorgon Empire'.
The T1 cruisers are cheap (32 Mio. ISK), they get underestimated and are fun to fly.


* and 2x T3 Offgrid booster.

[n0th]

T1 RR cruisers actually achieving something is p hilarious. A lot of it is expectation, as you mentioned + the fact that noone knows you.
"Oh look random scrubs in t1 cruisers, time to take out that solo BS i always wanted to fly and 0wn!" - when you actually had a proper gang concept going (armor links, remoterep, tracking disruption).

Also you guys totally should do 0.0 more.
You're a leap away from the 7Q- scrubcamp which you can bust nbd with 3-4 people.
You're also like 10j away from Drone Regions, which are perfect for gangs of 4-7 people due to entities like Ethereal Dawn, Persona Non Gratis etc.

[root]

Yeah, we had some good experience with drone regions. We tried RR Ferox there. They get also underestimated but when you fly 9 of them in one gang it looks like a proper gang concept again. Maybe mix some cyclone in or something.
http://spam.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13981987 <-- That was our first RR BC fight, we made some anchor mistakes and had trouble with enemy ECM. But damn, after we fixed those problems that fleet ruled. We made ~14 canes + 2 carrier dock up again :D

But we also had some bad experience in 0.0. It's just not fun when you get camped in by a fleet that is two times as big and has excess to Jumpbridges to cut you of :(

I will take a look at the 7Q- scrubs ;-) Thanks for the advice

Edit: Looks like we have bin visiting the 7Q- folks with our feroxes: http://spam.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13983982 As far as i remember they had similar numbers, but not that coordinated.