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mvtaylor
June 12 2011, 01:41:37 PM
No real idea about the vast majority of this stuff, so no doubt a nightmare for people to read what will follow. I'm sure you're already glad I've judged myself important enough to make a new topic!

Anyway, background.
UK Student, about to head in to the real world, come in to a fair bit of money through inheritance, currently own a laptop that was okay but isn't in the slightest bit impressive any more (tried Captain's Quarters on it and it screams in pain). I'm looking to get / build a pretty decent spec bit of kit that will last fairly well for a few years to come. So, first off...

Should I build it myself? I know it saves a fair amount of money but when the thing will be nearly totalling a grand anyway (~$1600) I can't get over the fear I will mess one thing up and be left with a very expensive pile of kit that I can't get to work and won't know why. If NOT then I've looked around a bit and it seems I can get a pretty good deal from http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk

Made one with the following specs:
(from this section: http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers ... bridge-pc/ (http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/intel-sandy-bridge-pc/))

Processor
Intel® Core™i5-2500k Quad Core (3.30GHz, 6MB Cache)

Motherboard
ASUS® P8P67

Memory
8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (2 x 4GB KIT)

Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560

1st Hard Disk
60GB OCZ VERTEX 2 SERIES SSD, SATA 3 Gb/s (upto 285MB/sR | 275MB/sW)

2nd Hard Disk
750GB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD7502AAEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)

Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W TX SERIES (TX650) 80+ ULTRA QUIET PSU

Full C/P of the chosen spec page

[spoiler:3ubic25g]Case
COOLERMASTER ELITE 310 BLUE CASE

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i5-2500k Quad Core (3.30GHz, 6MB Cache) + HD Graphics

Motherboard
ASUS® P8P67 (NEW REV 3.0): USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, CrossFireX™

Memory (RAM)
8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT)

Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 - DVI,HDMI,VGA - DX® 11, 3D Vision Ready

Memory - 1st Hard Disk
60GB OCZ VERTEX 2 SERIES SSD, SATA 3 Gb/s (upto 285MB/sR | 275MB/sW)

2nd Hard Disk
750GB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD7502AAEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)

1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM

Memory Card Reader
INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER (XD, MS, CF, SD, etc) + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT

Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W TX SERIES (TX650) 80+ ULTRA QUIET PSU (£72)

Processor Cooling
SUPER QUIET 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE CPU COOLER (£19)

Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)

Network Facilities
ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs

USB Options
6 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL (MIN 2 FRONT PORTS) AS STANDARD

Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED

Office Software
NO OFFICE SOFTWARE

Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE

Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour) (£5)[/spoiler:3ubic25g]

The whole thing comes to £887. Doesn't include an OS but I can get a free copy of Windows 7 64-bit Professional through the MSDN Academic Alliance. Also doesn't come with a monitor but there's a spare one back home I can use while looking at get a dual screen thing set up.

Now, when it comes down to the actual bits of kit...

- I keep hearing Intel is better than AMD and having browsed over this forum a little bit it seems that the i5 stands up very well to the i7 which if true saves about 80 quid for very little loss in performance.
- Motherboard (completely clueless here)
- Graphics card... According to wonderful adverts during the alliance tournament that's a good bit of kit?
- RAM, guess I could improve it later if I want, seems enough to be getting on with for now.
- Want a SSD/HDD combo so I can install the OS on the SSD and maybe a few other commonly used programs while chucking masses of data on the HDD, both of those models seem okay from reviews on ebuyer.com
- Also haven't got a dedicated sound card / wireless card / blu ray player as the options on their site seem meh and I am just about capable of slotting PCI/E cards in while don't really give a damn about Blu Ray.

Finally, things I am moderately concerned about with that build...

- Is the whole set up going to deal well with the test of time? Easily expandable mobo options, OCable processor bla bla?
- Didn't bother with any USB 3.0 options as I have nothing at all that would use it, I assume it's the imminent future though...
- The case doesn't have some massive side panel fan or any front fans. While I don't want it to be sounding like a jet engine and glowing with shitty LEDs I'd hope it will at least do the job of keeping the components happy.
- Got a warning that my set up was calculated to use ~430W with a 20% safety buffer however reviews of pcspecialist recommend upgrading from the standard no-name PSUs.

THINK that's about it, if anyone can be bothered to read all that spiel and give a good judgement of if I'm on the right lines or need to totally rethink my plan it would be most appreciated.

Bombcrater
June 12 2011, 02:24:44 PM
Building your own PC isn't really that hard and will save you some money, although the main benefit is getting pick the best components. But pre-built is okay if you're not comfortable building, just be aware you'll end up paying more for a lesser system. Anyway, comments on the spec:

- CPU is fine, the 2500K is the sweet spot atm. The motherboard... well, I've got a P8P67 and it's the worst motherboard I've used in years, with a list of flaws longer than the spec. But some people have good luck with them, you might get lucky.
- The Geforce 560 isn't a great value card, the 2GB version especially so. A 1GB Radeon 6870 will beat it for less money, the 2GB Radeon 6950 costs a little more but is much quicker than the 560.
- I wouldn't bother with the WD Black HD. Most performance critical stuff will be on the SSD, so one of the 2TB Green drives will do fine and give you more than double the space for about the same money.

mvtaylor
June 12 2011, 03:35:52 PM
Building your own PC isn't really that hard and will save you some money, although the main benefit is getting pick the best components. But pre-built is okay if you're not comfortable building, just be aware you'll end up paying more for a lesser system. Anyway, comments on the spec:

- CPU is fine, the 2500K is the sweet spot atm. The motherboard... well, I've got a P8P67 and it's the worst motherboard I've used in years, with a list of flaws longer than the spec. But some people have good luck with them, you might get lucky.
- The Geforce 560 isn't a great value card, the 2GB version especially so. A 1GB Radeon 6870 will beat it for less money, the 2GB Radeon 6950 costs a little more but is much quicker than the 560.
- I wouldn't bother with the WD Black HD. Most performance critical stuff will be on the SSD, so one of the 2TB Green drives will do fine and give you more than double the space for about the same money.

Cheers for that, just the sort of thing I'm looking for. Have jiggled around with options on the site and swapping in a P8Z68-V and 6950 doesn't break the bank and would be great if they offer severe improvements.

If I were to go about building this thing from scratch does anyone have any recommendations on where to buy the parts from, ebuyer seems alright but I'm sure everyone has their own preferences... I guess I should just man up and build it, I just have this horrific image of managing to screw up with arctic silver / mishandling a component so when the power button is finally pressed terrible things occur (or nothing).

Any guides for building PCs would be appreciated, having looked at entrox's thread it seems start with case case, put on fans, put processor onto mobo and add RAM, pop on CPU cooler, put mobo in case, slot in cards / attach drives then hook up power to everything are the basic steps but I'm sure it's far more complicated than that, drivers / thermal paste etc... Also the CPU fan he uses, christ.

kzig
June 12 2011, 07:40:49 PM
Any guides for building PCs would be appreciated, having looked at entrox's thread it seems start with case case, put on fans, put processor onto mobo and add RAM, pop on CPU cooler, put mobo in case, slot in cards / attach drives then hook up power to everything are the basic steps but I'm sure it's far more complicated than that, drivers / thermal paste etc... Also the CPU fan he uses, christ.

There are plenty of guides out there for putting pieces together. This (http://techreport.com/articles.x/13671) is a fairly good one. Regarding paste - you only ever need to use a tiny amount. As long as you work from the centre outwards and don't get it over any other components you should be ok.

It helps to have an idea of how the airflow is going to work before you start playing around with large numbers of fans. If in doubt, aim for intake flow >= exhaust flow. Another good idea is to use a modular power supply, as this greatly cuts down on the number of cables you have to arrange.

Regarding drivers and setup, it's mostly a matter of RTFM. Each motherboard is slightly different and comes with its own manual for setting up the bios options. Make sure you understand what the settings do before you play around with them.

Aurora148
June 12 2011, 07:58:23 PM
Building your own PC isn't really that hard and will save you some money, although the main benefit is getting pick the best components. But pre-built is okay if you're not comfortable building, just be aware you'll end up paying more for a lesser system. Anyway, comments on the spec:

- CPU is fine, the 2500K is the sweet spot atm. The motherboard... well, I've got a P8P67 and it's the worst motherboard I've used in years, with a list of flaws longer than the spec. But some people have good luck with them, you might get lucky.
- The Geforce 560 isn't a great value card, the 2GB version especially so. A 1GB Radeon 6870 will beat it for less money, the 2GB Radeon 6950 costs a little more but is much quicker than the 560.
- I wouldn't bother with the WD Black HD. Most performance critical stuff will be on the SSD, so one of the 2TB Green drives will do fine and give you more than double the space for about the same money.

Cheers for that, just the sort of thing I'm looking for. Have jiggled around with options on the site and swapping in a P8Z68-V and 6950 doesn't break the bank and would be great if they offer severe improvements.

If I were to go about building this thing from scratch does anyone have any recommendations on where to buy the parts from, ebuyer seems alright but I'm sure everyone has their own preferences... I guess I should just man up and build it, I just have this horrific image of managing to screw up with arctic silver / mishandling a component so when the power button is finally pressed terrible things occur (or nothing).

Any guides for building PCs would be appreciated, having looked at entrox's thread it seems start with case case, put on fans, put processor onto mobo and add RAM, pop on CPU cooler, put mobo in case, slot in cards / attach drives then hook up power to everything are the basic steps but I'm sure it's far more complicated than that, drivers / thermal paste etc... Also the CPU fan he uses, christ.

buy the parts from wherever they are cheapest and don't be afraid to order from multiple sources if it makes a price difference, one site might have 20% off deals while another doesn't.

lots of PC building "enthusiasts" will only ever buy from one place so they can get a picture of it all arriving at once.

Ebuyer, Scan, Aria, Overclockers ect are all fine but there are some smaller sites which offer deals sometimes which the big ones can't.

Muffinsrevenger
June 12 2011, 10:17:17 PM
About the SSD, I would spend some more money on a 120gb since keeping everything system-specific under 60 starts to take a lot of effort after a while
Not to say it won't work, but you will save yourself some system-gardening for something won't cost you that much

Leboe
June 13 2011, 07:48:50 PM
Building your own PC isn't really that hard and will save you some money, although the main benefit is getting pick the best components. But pre-built is okay if you're not comfortable building, just be aware you'll end up paying more for a lesser system. Anyway, comments on the spec:

- CPU is fine, the 2500K is the sweet spot atm. The motherboard... well, I've got a P8P67 and it's the worst motherboard I've used in years, with a list of flaws longer than the spec. But some people have good luck with them, you might get lucky.
- The Geforce 560 isn't a great value card, the 2GB version especially so. A 1GB Radeon 6870 will beat it for less money, the 2GB Radeon 6950 costs a little more but is much quicker than the 560.
- I wouldn't bother with the WD Black HD. Most performance critical stuff will be on the SSD, so one of the 2TB Green drives will do fine and give you more than double the space for about the same money.

Cheers for that, just the sort of thing I'm looking for. Have jiggled around with options on the site and swapping in a P8Z68-V and 6950 doesn't break the bank and would be great if they offer severe improvements.

If I were to go about building this thing from scratch does anyone have any recommendations on where to buy the parts from, ebuyer seems alright but I'm sure everyone has their own preferences... I guess I should just man up and build it, I just have this horrific image of managing to screw up with arctic silver / mishandling a component so when the power button is finally pressed terrible things occur (or nothing).

Any guides for building PCs would be appreciated, having looked at entrox's thread it seems start with case case, put on fans, put processor onto mobo and add RAM, pop on CPU cooler, put mobo in case, slot in cards / attach drives then hook up power to everything are the basic steps but I'm sure it's far more complicated than that, drivers / thermal paste etc... Also the CPU fan he uses, christ.

buy the parts from wherever they are cheapest and don't be afraid to order from multiple sources if it makes a price difference, one site might have 20% off deals while another doesn't.

lots of PC building "enthusiasts" will only ever buy from one place so they can get a picture of it all arriving at once.

Ebuyer, Scan, Aria, Overclockers ect are all fine but there are some smaller sites which offer deals sometimes which the big ones can't.


A respectable retailer will offer price matching

mvtaylor
June 13 2011, 10:13:39 PM
Okay, cheers for the video, that was really helpful! Modular power supplies look really handy also. Could definitely have a crack at building it myself and save a load of cash if it's as easy as that!

Going on to the subject of case and airflow is there any way of working out the best way of doing this before getting your hands on one? I assume Exhaust flow counts as the back + CPU/GPU side fans while the Intake flow is the top / front fans... although that would mean no computer I've ever owned has had Intake >= Exhaust

Jason Marshall
June 14 2011, 05:22:01 AM
Airflow is generally dictated by the fan mounts in a case. "positive" pressure airflow versus something mapped out. One of the theories is the fans on the bottom of the case all point inwards creating a higher air pressure inside the case and have your exhaust fans on the top (heat rises yo). I dont have top vents in my case so I have the front and side fans blowing in over the CPU cooler and GPU with the exhaust in the back. Positive pressure also helps keep dust out!

Waagaa
June 14 2011, 12:52:32 PM
About the SSD, I would spend some more money on a 120gb since keeping everything system-specific under 60 starts to take a lot of effort after a while
Not to say it won't work, but you will save yourself some system-gardening for something won't cost you that much

This, >100GB for the OS drive is very helpful in the long run.
You can get away with 60GB and you can get away with a lot if you use symbolic links well.. :)

Kotori
June 14 2011, 07:06:11 PM
Couple of suggestions that i would add to there.

Case is great, but i used the 330 once in a mates build (slightly different to yours), and ive just found it hot and troublesome.
personally i use:
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/antec-60 ... ow-w-o-psu (http://www.scan.co.uk/products/antec-600-six-hundred-ultimate-gaming-case-black-mid-tower-with-side-window-w-o-psu)
Its an extra ~30 quid. but its well worth it in my opinion, its a very spacious case, easy to work with. and the cooling is really impressive. im running on default setup, and havent considered once sticking an extra fan in it yet. Very quiet, and pleasing on the eye :)

Secondly...
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/thermalt ... cpu-cooler (http://www.scan.co.uk/products/thermaltake-frio-cl-p0564-dual-120mm-fan-socket-775-1156-1366-am2-am3-cpu-cooler)

Ive never been a huge fan of generic cpu coolers. I feel for such an important part in the pc, u might as well be a bit more generous when it comes to cooling the beast down. Recently installed one of these on a mates build, and its very very nice. quiet, cold, and really easy to setup.

And i agree with Bombcrater regarding the graphics card. I would almost recommend the 6870, its cheap. and it really does do the job. Ive got 1 running in mine at the moment, and its taken everything ive thrown on it. Got a second on order though, purely for battlefield 3 ^^. And the crossfire scaling on these babies is very impressive. So i would say get the 1 for now, and if you find you need it get a second somewhere down the road :)

my 2 cents :)

mvtaylor
June 15 2011, 05:40:20 PM
Right...

Case: Antec 600 (http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/antec-six-hundred-atx-pc-tower-case-black-07677451-pdt.html?srcid=867&xtor=AL-89&istCompanyId=bec25c7e-cbcd-460d-81d5-a25372d2e3d7&istItemId=qwiiptp&istBid=t) - Some review said you had to pop out the back slots leaving sharp edges but apart from that seems great, shame you can't turn LED's off on back fan
Extra fans:
2x Front (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151390)
1x Side (http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/16439370/Nexus-120mm-PWM-SERIES-Real-Silent-Case-Fan-w-PWM-control/Product.html?_%24ja=tsid:11518|cat:16439370|prd:16 439370)
Will then have three intake fans from Side and 2x Front (120mm) with two out from the ones built in to case (120mm back and 200mm top).

CPU: i5 2500k (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/251596)
Cooling: ThermalTake Frio (http://www.scan.co.uk/products/thermaltake-frio-cl-p0564-dual-120mm-fan-socket-775-1156-1366-am2-am3-cpu-cooler) - Doesn't mention 1155 compatible on there but does on their site

Mobo: Asus SABRETOOTH P67 (http://www.dabs.com/products/asus-sabertooth-p67-rev-3-0-lga1155-intel-p67-ddr3-atx--b3-stepping--7F7F.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=product+search&utm_content=Q200)

GPU: XFX HD6950 2GB (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-192-XF&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1752) - Guess I could unlock it to the 6970, seems like it might be a tight fit in case but will have 5mm or so to spare lol

RAM: 2x 4GB G-Skill Ripjaw (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/226283) - Again doesn't mention compatibility on link

SSD: 120GB OCZ SSD (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/236497)
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint 7200RPM 1TB Drive (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173804)

PSU: Coolermaster 700W Modular (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147047) - Looks like it's got enough cables to power everything, hopefully with PSU at bottom of case they can reach everything, would also assume it attaches so the fan isn't about two mm from the case...

Audio: Asus Xonar DG (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/246650)
Wireless: Tenda Wireless-N300 (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/155641)

DVD: LiteOn 24x DVD/RW (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/176026)
Reader: Sweex All-In-1 (http://www.ebuyer.com/product/231631)

Phew... Total thing clocks in at £1003.62 ~ $1600 [Other than SSD, better Mobo/PSU, card reader, audio/wifi cards and a few extra bits for cooling I really can't see why this is SO much more than the Intel Mid Level build in the sticky... stuff is just more expensive here?]

Guess once you bung in two monitors, 5.1 speakers, a gaming mouse and multimedia keyboard I'll be near £1300 (don't want to go anything too mental in terms of monitors - something like 2x http://www.ebuyer.com/product/248927)

Would have LIKED to have spent less but with this whole set up I guess it's pretty darn future proof. Decided to go with the higher of the two graphics cards recommended ITT as upgrading from the 6870 by adding a second looks troublesome with the other cards I'll have in there / PSU only seemingly being able to power one card.

Guess 120GB of SSD space should be plenty of room for the 20GB windows install + commonly used things. Past that... wasn't really sure where to save cash, I think all my purchases were fairly sensible, didn't go for an i7 etc etc

So... Anything I've severely screwed up with my thinking on parts or ways I can cut that cost down to something closer to the stickied build?

Ryas Nia
June 15 2011, 06:17:13 PM
your cost difference is the higher end motherboard, SSD, sound card, and wireless lan card + the added expense of not being in the USA :P

Other than that looks like a good build.

mvtaylor
June 17 2011, 12:20:50 AM
+ the added expense of not being in the USA :P

Oh well, at least that confirms I haven't really gone wrong and it is more a case of lol $300 for living in UK..

Verizana
June 18 2011, 02:03:36 AM
the monitors you linked have a LED backlight brother: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/253676

i sell these in my shop and i have never ever gotten one back because of dead pixel or malfunction.

unlike big names like samsung, benq only put panels they make themselves into their monitors.

ps the screen comes with a vga cable, i always recommend dvi

mvtaylor
June 19 2011, 03:12:35 PM
the monitors you linked have a LED backlight brother: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/253676

i sell these in my shop and i have never ever gotten one back because of dead pixel or malfunction.

unlike big names like samsung, benq only put panels they make themselves into their monitors.

ps the screen comes with a vga cable, i always recommend dvi

Cheers man, good info! About ssd's... Friend posted on fb that some break really quickly to which one of his mates went with:

honestly the agility 3's are known to be a tad broken, but last gen sandforces are fine - e.g. vertex 2, agility 2 etc

Anyone here got any opinions, otherwise sata3 should destroy 2 in terms of speed. I'd just rather it didn't break as well...

mvtaylor
June 28 2011, 10:42:02 PM
It fucking works, YESSSSSS.

Well, SSD and DVD Drive (and Card Reader - woe) didn't turn up today but just got on with it. Nine hours later (never made a PC before lolllllll) and I get to BIOS first time and things look exactly as they should. Feel like a god of electronic lego now

Snowman
June 29 2011, 01:25:11 AM
I see you've already got the stuff.

Is that actually a reference 6950 card (the picture they used on the website looks like one)? If so you can unlock it to a 6970 (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1608/1/).

Also 700W is way more psu than you actually need.

spiralJunkie
June 29 2011, 10:43:25 AM
your cost difference is the higher end motherboard, SSD, sound card, and wireless lan card + the added expense of not being in the USA :P

Other than that looks like a good build.

ryas' post in any 'check y pc thread' 'lol non-usa prices'


also I'm building a machine similar to op's, and it's costing me under half what you're paying, and I bought a monitor too, SSDs, and a solid gold mouse

mvtaylor
July 3 2011, 08:53:15 PM
Photos if anyone should care, altered a few parts from above, didn't get a golden mouse.

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/260308_10150226912287987_758602986_7348320_6691695 _n.jpg NZXT H2 Classic

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/268451_10150226912357987_758602986_7348322_8093386 _n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/267412_10150226912652987_758602986_7348329_4336817 _n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/259820_10150226912422987_758602986_7348324_4691660 _n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/270745_10150226912697987_758602986_7348330_5577735 _n.jpg Out with the stock in with the Noctua

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/263126_10150226912847987_758602986_7348332_1892749 _n.jpg SO GOOD

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/265043_10150226913042987_758602986_7348337_4333534 _n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/270386_10150226913432987_758602986_7348351_319264_ n.jpg Cannot unlock this bastard no matter how hard I try... (Isn't stock, doesn't have dual BIOS switch)

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/259909_10150226913462987_758602986_7348352_719212_ n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/268412_10150226913642987_758602986_7348357_5604023 _n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/271184_10150226913667987_758602986_7348358_6279789 _n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/268054_10150226913732987_758602986_7348360_2518701 _n.jpg The fans pop out... it's a bit pointless but cool

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269159_10150226913767987_758602986_7348361_2903355 _n.jpg Whirrrrrrrr

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/267779_10150226914012987_758602986_7348370_1732794 _n.jpg Bit of tidying

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/267414_10150226914062987_758602986_7348371_7705593 _n.jpg Fan controller is cool... Haven't got any USB 3.0 things :(

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/264575_10150226914122987_758602986_7348372_3621395 _n.jpg Pretty light

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/264927_10150226914222987_758602986_7348375_7738300 _n.jpg Best, and totally silent on the lowest fan setting

Verizana
July 4 2011, 11:09:46 PM
oh god sort your cables out

Airow
July 4 2011, 11:46:23 PM
looks nice!

mvtaylor
July 6 2011, 08:13:27 PM
oh god sort your cables out

I tried, a bit. Modular cables can't be managed nicely though as they're too short :/ Others I've tried to run in to the wire management section if it's possible.

Dr.Boomtown
July 10 2011, 04:19:54 AM
iv been thinking its about time to upgrade my PC aswell, but im about 3 years behind on my computers knowledge. so tell me.

dual vs quad. is there honestly any reason to get a quad for mainly gaming purposes?

who makes good gaming motherboards these days?

is there anything coming out in the near future that id be better off waiting for?

Muffinsrevenger
July 10 2011, 03:42:39 PM
iv been thinking its about time to upgrade my PC aswell, but im about 3 years behind on my computers knowledge. so tell me.

dual vs quad. is there honestly any reason to get a quad for mainly gaming purposes?

who makes good gaming motherboards these days?

is there anything coming out in the near future that id be better off waiting for?

Next really exiting shift happens 2012 on both the GPU and CPU front (ivybridge+radeon hd 7xxx series cards early/mid 2012) so about a year or so before anything amazing happens

While we wait for that, you want a sandybridge i5/i7 at the price level that suits you, the new amd stuff might work but it's sort of pointless seeing how well the sandybridge thingys are doing
to go with that you want a motherboard with a appropriate socket (as in, 1155), do some googling if you want to learn more, most of them will do just fine
You also want like 8gb of RAM, compare what the motherboard support to what your wallet will let you buy without going "NO DADDY"
you also want a radeon card if you intend to run three screens or a nividia card if you don't, but this mostly comes down to personal taste and reading spreadsheets after the choice of two screens vs loads of screens
After that, get a SSD drive in the 80-120gb range and a 1-2tb installedstuff/pirated movies drive for storing stuff you don't access all the time and your golden
oh, and a 650w powersupply is plenty to run that, pick one with a brand that you have herd of before

Depending on how much the steamsales did bad things to your economy, you should be able to get a really good system for not that much money, even if your a filthy Australian