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Liare
March 13 2015, 10:26:21 AM
has anybody flown this thing with it's new, significantly reduced price? does anybody has a diagram of where it's hardpoints are ?

Torashuu
March 13 2015, 10:53:05 AM
Only on beta server, its exactly the space whale you think it will be. Large hardpoint is on the chin, two upper body, two wings. The wings need at least gimballing, well all of them really cause you won't be doing much maneuvering.

The price reduction is nice and all, and the extra modules will be able to beef it a little bit, but it still is generally sub-par for anything combat related.

Liare
March 13 2015, 11:40:44 AM
i was thinking gimbaled large, turreted mediums actually, use it as a gunship basically, hence why i asked about hardpoint locations, not much point if all the hardpoints are mounted on the bottom next to each other.

Torashuu
March 13 2015, 11:45:10 AM
You could do that, but the coverage is such you'll be tickling folks with 2 medium turrets at a time, which miss more then hit beyond 400m. Its a nice concept, and I'd love to hear how it goes.

Hoggbert
March 13 2015, 11:53:20 AM
Turrets are fairly worthless, almost as worthless as this ship. You get what? 33% of the dps of a fixed version of the same weapon or thereabouts.
Not to mention turrets are completely bonkers and will shoot any and all po-lice in the same resbelt.

Ps. you need 60mill to fit it out as well only to get a ship terrible compared to a vulture you get for a fraction of the price

Liare
March 13 2015, 01:36:16 PM
aesthetics matter, that's why i fly a Eagle at the moment and intent to keep it in storage for future usage. :)

i kinda like the way the Dropship looks, it's ugly in a charming way and really does look like how i would imagine a future Huey (http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/uh-1_huey_01.jpg) or Hercules (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/RDAF_C-130J_7.jpg) would look.

sure it's not pretty, but its quite possibly the sweetest sight imaginable when screaming in low over a alien planetary landscape.

i am propably going to keep the Vulture around once i get it because it's the better ship to earn money in, and propably upgrade it to a FDL or a Python down the road, but that doesn't mean the Eagle wont be undocked at regular intervals, maybe i will end up feeling the same about the dropship ?

turrets are getting fixed soon enough anyway, so the "i cant hit shit" past 20 seconds of firing bug goes away.

by the way, your 60m estimate is on the low side

[Federal Dropship]
U: 0A Shield Booster
U: 0A Shield Booster
U: 0I Point Defence
U: 0E Kill Warrant Scanner
M: 2F/T Pulse Laser
M: 2F/T Pulse Laser
L: 3E/G Pulse Laser
M: 2F/T Pulse Laser
M: 2F/T Pulse Laser

BH: 1I Lightweight Alloy
RB: 6A Power Plant
TM: 6A Thrusters
FH: 5A Frame Shift Drive
EC: 5A Life Support
PC: 6A Power Distributor
SS: 4A Sensors
FS: 4C Fuel Tank (Capacity: 16)

6: 6A Shield Generator
5: 5A Shield Cell Bank
5: 5E Cargo Rack (Capacity: 32)
4: 4A Auto Field-Maintenance Unit
3: 3E Cargo Rack (Capacity: 8)
3: 3E Cargo Rack (Capacity: 8)
2: 1E Basic Discovery Scanner
---
Shield: 211,44 MJ
Power : 22,80 MW retracted (90 %)
26,24 MW deployed (104 %)
25,20 MW available
Cargo : 48 T
Fuel : 16 T
Mass : 824,8 T empty
888,8 T full
Range : 14,65 LY unladen
13,86 LY laden
Price : 103.162.422 CR
Re-Buy: 5.158.121 CR @ 95% insurance

and it doesn't even have armor O.O

Hoggbert
March 13 2015, 02:12:13 PM
the fitting tool hasnt updated the cost of the ship yet so 100 minus 38= 60ish, the cost of the fit.

Regardless, sure you can fly it and try to make something out of it in spite of its design, its just not particularly good at anything.
Time will tell if it redeems itself somewhat once passengers become a thing

Sandzibar
March 13 2015, 02:17:20 PM
Turrets are fairly worthless, almost as worthless as this ship. You get what? 33% of the dps of a fixed version of the same weapon or thereabouts.
Not to mention turrets are completely bonkers and will shoot any and all po-lice in the same resbelt.



Yeah.. you should probably set your turrets to "fire at my target" and not "fire at will" - last panel of the right MFD.

And no, they are not useless. You just dont use them as your primary weapon system.

Torashuu
March 13 2015, 03:05:40 PM
Even with fire at my target for the fitting& cap & heat they require they don't do a whole lot. And since almost all ships are capable of maneuvering enough to have gimballed versions face your target of choice there is really very little reason to fit them at all. imho.

cullnean
March 13 2015, 04:49:55 PM
Fedora dropshit

Torashuu
March 23 2015, 10:29:08 AM
If you're really set on using one though, I'd go for something like this:

[Federal Dropship]
U: 0A Shield Booster
U: 0A Shield Booster
U: 0E Kill Warrant Scanner
U: 0I Chaff Launcher
M: 2F/G Pulse Laser
M: 2F/G Pulse Laser
L: 3C/F Beam Laser
M: 2F/G Multi-cannon
M: 2F/G Multi-cannon

BH: 1I Military Grade Composite
RB: 6B Power Plant
TM: 6B Thrusters
FH: 5B Frame Shift Drive
EC: 5B Life Support
PC: 6B Power Distributor
SS: 4B Sensors
FS: 4C Fuel Tank (Capacity: 16)

6: 6A Shield Generator
5: 5D Hull Reinforcement Package
5: 5D Hull Reinforcement Package
4: 4D Hull Reinforcement Package
3: 3D Hull Reinforcement Package
3: 3A Fuel Scoop
2: 1C Advanced Discovery Scanner
---
Shield: 329,09 MJ
Power : 17,54 MW retracted (76%)
22,02 MW deployed (95%)
23,10 MW available
Cargo : 0 T
Fuel : 16 T
Mass : 1.070,6 T empty
1.086,6 T full
Range : 9,38 LY unladen
9,38 LY laden
Price : 73.132.242 CR
Re-Buy: 3.656.612 CR @ 95% insurance


Keep in mind though, you're still an easy target to anything Eagle and up. Though people with only lasers fitted will have a hard time chewing through that armor.

Sandzibar
March 23 2015, 10:32:44 AM
They will however find it piss easy to just kill your power plant... making stacking those hull packages pointless.

Torashuu
March 23 2015, 10:53:16 AM
Well, the NPCs won't atleast (intentionally anyway), and the B rated ones are a smidge tougher on that aspect. If you're planning/expecting to be fighting players, just don't buy a Fed dropship.

QuackBot
March 23 2015, 12:00:19 PM
the fitting tool hasnt updated the cost of the ship yet so 100 minus 38= 60ish, the cost of the fit.

Regardless, sure you can fly it and try to make something out of it in spite of its design, its just not particularly good at anything.
Time will tell if it redeems itself somewhat once passengers become a thing
Can you not.

Torashuu
March 23 2015, 05:16:15 PM
Oh, and I forgot, while it won't save you, the damage subsystems take scales with how much hull hp are left over, so stacking hull plates does extend the life of internals a little bit.

Torashuu
January 8 2016, 11:13:45 PM
Ships actually usable now, tried it with this setup. Not going to win any prizes but it works.
http://coriolis.io/outfit/federal_dropship/26A6A5A5A6A4A4C2b0t0t2g2g0000040nB15i376l29242f.Iw 18aQ==.IwBhrSu5VI==