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Torashuu
November 4 2013, 09:56:15 AM
Once in a while I get the urge to try and make using a joystick work again. Yes its not as good at head on attacks. Or as accurate at range. Still atleast your flying your plane yourself instead of letting the instructor do it for you (and do it wrong the moment you're going vertical).

I'm using a Logitech 3d extreme pro thats about to die atm(deadzone 40% on rudder -.-). (saving up for a warthog, mostly for DCS).
Currenlty have sensitivity at 2 bars for pitch& roll, 1 bar for yaw. Linearity at 1, multiplier at 1. Flying is pretty smooth, just when aiming and getting excited I tend to not do input smooth enough and overcontrol. This is something I'm practicing now.

This I notice is that surviving is alot easier and because you're not using all controlsurfaces like a spaz instructor you keep speed much better in turns/loops and all that. Ofcourse, aiming is still a bitch. Effective engagement range basically is <300m with around 150m as optimum.

Namoo
November 4 2013, 06:06:23 PM
I've just been using a 360 pad due to my lack of stick. Being killed in 100% of head-ons kinda sucks and aiming can be fucking impossible sometimes but its worth it for just how much smoother you can fly. That and its far more fun than using m+kb for flying a plane even if that is the best option.

metacannibal
November 4 2013, 06:17:05 PM
Being killed in 100% of head-ons kinda

Barrel roll to avoid shots, padlock view to him, turn already at 200m, get behind him, free kill.

Namoo
November 4 2013, 07:32:51 PM
Being killed in 100% of head-ons kinda

Barrel roll to avoid shots, padlock view to him, turn already at 200m, get behind him, free kill.

That'd be neat if I could ever close to 750m without being taken down.

RazoR
November 4 2013, 07:54:16 PM
Being killed in 100% of head-ons kinda

Barrel roll to avoid shots, padlock view to him, turn already at 200m, get behind him, free kill.

That'd be neat if I could ever close to 750m without being taken down.Have more/bigger guns, fire early and barrel roll the fuck away. Failing that your options include avoiding h2h or stopping flying shit planes.

Venec
November 4 2013, 08:14:47 PM
You can always try doing this:


http://youtu.be/TGcaQ3X4Wms

RazoR
November 5 2013, 06:09:31 AM
Super-effective. Especially since your actual vector doesn't change.

What probably happened is dora's aim was already off with phoon passing slighty to the right (gotta love dora's rudder) and the latter managed to get a hit this way. As an actual h2h tactic this looks idiotic.

P.S.: Cute bombs. Cannons binded to the same button. The guy definitely knows what he's doing.

Venec
November 5 2013, 06:34:38 AM
Why do you have to be such a Negative Nancy?

Hoggbert
November 5 2013, 08:45:10 AM
Probably because he doesnt hang out in the dutch channel on TS at nights

RazoR
November 5 2013, 10:14:21 AM
I just remembered that i am a mouse peasant btw. However so is the dude in the jewtube.
You could use the rudder quite well with a stick on some better handling aircraft, and Typhoon certainly is one.

I definitely should hang out on TS3 more but every time i remember about it it's empty.

Hoggbert
November 5 2013, 11:15:39 AM
then be semi afk in ts and suddenly you will have some representatives of the lower classes joining you

Isyel
November 5 2013, 11:35:37 AM
then be semi afk in ts and suddenly you will have some representatives of the lower classes joining you

now the Dutch proletariat channel

QuackBot
November 5 2013, 12:00:14 PM
Super-effective. Especially since your actual vector doesn't change.

What probably happened is dora's aim was already off with phoon passing slighty to the right (gotta love dora's rudder) and the latter managed to get a hit this way. As an actual h2h tactic this looks idiotic.

P.S.: Cute bombs. Cannons binded to the same button. The guy definitely knows what he's doing.
That can fuck right the fuck off.

Torashuu
November 5 2013, 02:29:47 PM
Doing h2h with rudder is indeed much easier with a stick. Easier as in flying past him while aiming at him. Can even pull back a bit to make it a barrelroll while shooting at him. You still lack the mouse accuracy to actually hit your opponent reliably though.

Hoggbert
November 5 2013, 03:04:51 PM
ATTENTION! ATTENTION!
The Dutch Proletariat is now OPEN!
Come by for cold coffee and stale waffles

Torashuu
November 5 2013, 03:19:36 PM
Waffles are belgian, get some snert instead. Or hollandse nieuwe.

Torashuu
December 30 2013, 12:10:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGGAGIPu_Sg#t=348 Interresting observation. Abuse the knowledge to taste.

Ophichius
January 16 2014, 08:59:07 PM
Adding to the masochism: JP reserve planes are fucking awful with a stick. They pull hard to the left and up. Without 10-15% downards trim they're basically uncontrollable. Every reserve aircraft is shit as a gunnery platform because they bounce all over the place, but JP are notable for being incredibly crap even within the reserve bracket.

-O

Torashuu
January 16 2014, 10:59:06 PM
Haven't tried those. My absolute fav. is the FW 190 D-9, with D13 a close second. Mustang & P47 are also planes that aren't valued as much because most people fly with mouse aim/3rd person. Both have excellent visibilty from the bit and respond well to input if done smoothly. Most planes I'll have 5-12% rudder trim to counteract prop torque. Though usually at higher speeds this goes down to 0. When in combat I'll reset trim to 0% and do everything manually. I'll try the Japanese reserves to see if I get the same thing.

edit:
Yes its engine torque messing with you. I get the same thing, it varies with airspeed and you can't correct it properly with rudder as that will make you drift like gangster full of swag in his musclecar. Japan can't into plane design.

Namoo
January 17 2014, 02:08:53 PM
I need some help. I play with a 360 pad so essentially using a stick. The F6F Hellcat for me has become completely unusable since 1.37. Before the patch it flew absolutely fine and raped niggas like it should. Now however it suffers from extreme control stiffening for me whenever it is over the speed of 350km/h. Below this speed it remains perfectly fine and agile. Soon as I head over this speed the elevator completely locks and any input to it only pushes the plane further into a nose dive. Is anyone else having these sorts of issues with it. Arcade btw.

Isyel
January 17 2014, 06:07:47 PM
Haven't tried those. My absolute fav. is the FW 190 D-9, with D13 a close second. Mustang & P47 are also planes that aren't valued as much because most people fly with mouse aim/3rd person. Both have excellent visibilty from the bit and respond well to input if done smoothly. Most planes I'll have 5-12% rudder trim to counteract prop torque. Though usually at higher speeds this goes down to 0. When in combat I'll reset trim to 0% and do everything manually. I'll try the Japanese reserves to see if I get the same thing.

edit:
Yes its engine torque messing with you. I get the same thing, it varies with airspeed and you can't correct it properly with rudder as that will make you drift like gangster full of swag in his musclecar. Japan can't into plane design.

what are you on... that's not the reason they aren't valued, it's the guns

they fly like fucking beauties and people are morons

no i won't bite on the jap thing :P

teds :D
January 17 2014, 08:16:45 PM
so many planes literally don't work with sticks

the entire welly lineup for example just pulls up ALL THE FUCKING TIME

if you don't pay attention it'll stall in 5-10s, gets tiring.

Torashuu
January 17 2014, 09:41:08 PM
That wouldn't be so bad if the all of them had trim possibilities. Just some have only elevator, some have elevator and rudder, some all 3.

Isyel
January 17 2014, 09:45:52 PM
not all planes had it tho

Procellus
January 18 2014, 03:33:31 AM
I bought a stick because I want to fly gud like real boys. The pitch is really kicking my ass. My planes won't pull up very well and they are very unresponsive in a dive. What did I do wrong?


(besides buy a stick, herr derr)

Ophichius
January 18 2014, 04:18:24 AM
I bought a stick because I want to fly gud like real boys. The pitch is really kicking my ass. My planes won't pull up very well and they are very unresponsive in a dive. What did I do wrong?


(besides buy a stick, herr derr)

Mess with your axis curves in game. Did your joystick come with any software to tune response curves?

-O

Kai Lae
February 2 2014, 12:55:23 AM
I bought a stick because I want to fly gud like real boys. The pitch is really kicking my ass. My planes won't pull up very well and they are very unresponsive in a dive. What did I do wrong?


(besides buy a stick, herr derr)


You can't just jump into battle without setting up the stick in war thunder. Your nonlinearity or your sensitivity are too high, probably both. Plus each additional aircraft has it's own differences and you may need to adjust depending on which plane you are in. If your pitch axis is way oversensitive, lower sensitivity and increase nonlinearity, then test flight. Keep doing this until it performs correctly. Then prepare to have your ass kicked while you learn how to fly with a stick in combat. It takes practice.