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Longdrinks
December 18 2014, 12:33:01 PM
lots of wormholers in thera getting their panties twisted when people chat in local like its jita :P

JohnBlathos
December 18 2014, 12:40:30 PM
lots of wormholers in thera getting their panties twisted when people chat in local like its jita :P

I really can't imagine not talking in local. It's like half of the game to me.

Mordax
December 18 2014, 09:05:29 PM
Some guys tried to kill me in a wormhole while I was exploring and I wanted to shit talk them in local because they failed really hard even when I fucked up, but I knew they wouldn't respond because omg can't reveal are presence!

Cue1*
December 19 2014, 03:01:57 AM
Some guys tried to kill me in a wormhole while I was exploring and I wanted to shit talk them in local because they failed really hard even when I fucked up, but I knew they wouldn't respond because omg can't reveal are presence!

To be fair, most wormholers will talk in local after they've attempted something, since it's clear you already know who they are.

Lucence
December 20 2014, 08:40:36 AM
Fleet chat is a tab on the same window as local for me. I know that one day something will go horribly wrong when I try to paste intel in fleet chat, but I keep on going. Yesterday an alliance mate accidentally dragged someone's name in the intel channel member list; we had no moderator online but fortunately he left after complaining about us "wasting his time".

I honestly don't know why anyone would chat in local. There's no reason to give third parties intel, and the podded / out of system can't join in the fun anyway. If I want to chat with people I either convo them or go in their pub chat.

JohnBlathos
December 20 2014, 09:06:02 AM
Fleet chat is a tab on the same window as local for me. I know that one day something will go horribly wrong when I try to paste intel in fleet chat, but I keep on going. Yesterday an alliance mate accidentally dragged someone's name in the intel channel member list; we had no moderator online but fortunately he left after complaining about us "wasting his time".

I honestly don't know why anyone would chat in local. There's no reason to give third parties intel, and the podded / out of system can't join in the fun anyway. If I want to chat with people I either convo them or go in their pub chat.

Pub chats make sense, I guess.

My friend once got dragged into DnD's super channel when they meant to link him. No one noticed and he was in there till DnD fell apart. I guess it was on delayed or something? I think it was just a cyno alt that turned into a "log on and see why DnD has supers on" alt. Heh.

Smuggo
December 20 2014, 02:18:01 PM
Fleet chat is a tab on the same window as local for me. I know that one day something will go horribly wrong when I try to paste intel in fleet chat, but I keep on going. Yesterday an alliance mate accidentally dragged someone's name in the intel channel member list; we had no moderator online but fortunately he left after complaining about us "wasting his time".

I honestly don't know why anyone would chat in local. There's no reason to give third parties intel, and the podded / out of system can't join in the fun anyway. If I want to chat with people I either convo them or go in their pub chat.

Local is for trolling, smack and gfs m8.

Orar Ironfist
December 20 2014, 03:34:30 PM
Fleet chat is a tab on the same window as local for me. I know that one day something will go horribly wrong when I try to paste intel in fleet chat, but I keep on going. Yesterday an alliance mate accidentally dragged someone's name in the intel channel member list; we had no moderator online but fortunately he left after complaining about us "wasting his time".

I honestly don't know why anyone would chat in local. There's no reason to give third parties intel, and the podded / out of system can't join in the fun anyway. If I want to chat with people I either convo them or go in their pub chat.

Only try hards don't use local. "guis if we don't talk in local even after the fight we'll look super cool and mysterious" No. No you won't.

Longdrinks
December 20 2014, 06:55:13 PM
My crippling social anxiety prevents me from making small talk in local
Just say it like it is brother

Lucence
December 20 2014, 08:02:14 PM
My crippling social anxiety prevents me from making small talk in local
Just say it like it is brother

Reported for making fun of my disabilities. I had to join an antisocial isboxing corp to make the game even playable, having more than 3 other people on teamspeak upsets me greatly.

ry ry
December 20 2014, 08:47:18 PM
Fleet chat is a tab on the same window as local for me. I know that one day something will go horribly wrong when I try to paste intel in fleet chat, but I keep on going. Yesterday an alliance mate accidentally dragged someone's name in the intel channel member list; we had no moderator online but fortunately he left after complaining about us "wasting his time".

I honestly don't know why anyone would chat in local. There's no reason to give third parties intel, and the podded / out of system can't join in the fun anyway. If I want to chat with people I either convo them or go in their pub chat.

Local is for trolling, smack and gifs m8.

LordsServant
January 17 2015, 05:12:50 PM
So it was a night like any other.

I was preparing to run some sites (I had just plexed that day and needed isk), when someone mentioned they had an absolution.

I'm a bit muddy on what happened next, but somehow we lost a falcon to the absolution, and when a deimos went in to kill it, a fleet started landing with "guardians and a bhaalgorn and t3s."

I wasn't sure what this meant, but I did notice that it was Jaded and co. A quick check of a certain :backroom channel: revealed that they were in it as well.

I asked for a scout to see what fleet they had, and got a slightly better "3 guardians, bhaalgorn, proteus, absolution.....something.....something."

I figured this was takable, and told people to start forming up and to prepare for pew. Unfortunately, we had one pilot trapped by their fleet which was camping the hole in between us:

their fleet/c4 <--> c3s <---> our home

I asked in aforementioned :backroom channel: if they would be so kind as to let our trapped guy come formup with us, but unfortunately said guy had already jumped. He ended up getting killed and podded before their FC/contact noticed what I'd asked in the channel.

I told them no biggie, just give us time to get him back in and get formed up.

After a while, and thru some discussion, we managed to get everyone except Rahmiro (who "had to go do something" when I started asking people to form up) formed up in either doctrine or close enough ships.

Total Tally:

Maulus
Scimitar
Ishtar
Osprey Navy Issue (thank god they never shot this, it had almost no tank, but the pilot had nothing else)
Myrmidon
Tengu (ECM)
Loki (webs/arty)
3x Basilisk
Bhaalgorn (held in reserve because our wormhole connection was reduced)
Crucifier

and myself multiboxing:
1x Vulture
2x Basilisk
6x Gilas
(we had a lot of ventures and inactives back in home, since the fleet was a generic standing fleet, lots of alts bloat the displayed fleet numbers)


Initially, they had wanted us to warp to them since we had a slight numbers advantage, but I preferred not to do this as we would land in a pre-setup bubble with me boxing 2/5 of our logi and 2/3 or so of our dps. I'm pretty good at multiboxing pvp, but having to drop drones, assist drones, AND focus on FCing WHILE repping people sounded like a really bad idea considering how high a proportion of our fleet I represented.

I explained this briefly, and their FC agreed to "change their tactics slightly" and then they'd warp to us.

They warped in initially at 100, with the following fleet comp:

2x Absolution
1x Bhaalgorn
1x Dominix
1x Eos
3x Guardian
4x Proteus
1x Sabre
1x Tengu (presumed ECM)
1x Crusader

http://i.imgur.com/UTsn5GF.jpg

I immediately started by focusing one of their abso's (assumed links) who rapidly dipped into 50% armor before pulling reps. I follow with an EOS which went down much slower initially, but still dipped to 55% or so before beginning to pull reps.

Even thought it wasn't much of a threat, I figured the cost, high sig, and lower resists on the bhaalgorn would make it a good target, however it was bricktanked to hell and back, barely getting it's paint scratched to 90% armor before pulling reps.

This entire time, they were doing nothing but shooting drones and firewalling. The warriors from my vulture, my hammerheads, my infiltrators, a gecko from the myrm (RIP brave gecko) were all being genocided at a steady rate.

Fortunately, this drone genocide was not happening with anywhere the speed needed to deplete the deep drone bays of the gila (100m3, 2 drones at a time, I got 5 full flights), nor were they instantly destroying the drones themselves due to STRONK GILA MASTERRACE DRONEZ.

Luckily, this also meant that they were dealing absolutely no dps to any of our ships, so the fact that my basilisks were entirely useless for the entire fight (I was so busy dropping and assisting more drones I couldnt do more than glance at my basilisks). Also, a random bomber showed up and was bombing periodically, doing absolutely nothing to the drones but being annoying.

As a side note, I believe our dps was reduced because we had no more than 50% of our dps on a target at one time, since half the drones were burning the 60k or so out to them when they were dropped while the other half were dealing damage/dying.

I swapped target to a tengu, and he rapidly ate shit, followed by a dominix that slid towards hull quite quickly before catching reps. With a few well placed jams, I managed to blap another guardian before their entire fleet warped off.

We lost a maulus.

We posted a GF in local, but in the private chat I had with their FC, he mentioned "it's not over yet."

Since they were so nice as to wait patiently while we formed up, we waited patiently about 30m or so for them to sort their stuff and prepare to fight again. I took this opportunity to restock my gilas which were down to 5-7 drones each.

The second round, they came in directly at 0 on us, and it was brief, but violent. This time, they brought an extra proteus, a nestor, and I believe refit their dominix for more tank and RR.

Rahmiro decided to show back up in somewhere in between here, and brought a nanogila to the fleet.

Unfortunately, due to them being on us directly at 0, we had no issues applying our dps, and we had our bhaalgorn on field with us to counter theirs(shield bhaal > armor bhaal fyi). While a few of their ships were barely able to catch reps, through rapid switching through their guardians, and some lucky jams from our awesome ECMGU (seriously, we need more of these, shield ecmgus have beast range and actual jam strength vs lolarmorecmgus) I was able to shred one of their guardians.

I went to blap their nestor, but right as he hit low armor he jumped through our wormhole.

The rest of their fleet started bailing, but I secured a point on the dominix, and finished him off.

The wormhole went crit as a few of our guys jumped back through to chase down the nestor, and the basilisks and my gilas remained on the other side so we didn't collapse it.

GFs were posted, and right about then my isboxer setup chose to freak the fuck out, with my computer screens flashing black and me losing control entirely of my gilas.

After rebooting isboxer and relogging a char, I managed to fix things, and noticed the chat from their FC was flashing. I checked it and saw he was congratulating us on a gf, I wrote the same. He asked if he could get free passage back home for his ships, and I agreed, except for the nestor. He mentioned that he WAS the nestor. I thought it over briefly, and went to key up and tell people to let it go when someone called a scram on it on comms.

I mentioned as much in the convo, but said that we'd let his pod go. I relayed this over comms, and a few people grumbled, but listened. Rahmiro took this opportunity to spout off about "who am I to tell him what to do" - I responded that I was the FC and he will listen or be next. He intentionally shot the pod, then told me over comms "fuck you, there, he's dead."

I permabanned him from comms shortly thereafter, and he is no longer in the alliance. If you have a problem with fleet or FC, take it up after the fleet, and NEVER disobey the direct orders of the FC.

I apologized profusely to Billy, and sent him literally all of the isk I had left in my wallet (not much, I had plexed earlier) as a sorry. Luckily, he said it was nbd, and that he was glad we had a GF either way. (Mad props, and you're a chill dude Billy).
http://i.imgur.com/uDDPXVw.png


We ended up having to deal with the crit hole and other stuff later, but that's another story as my time is short IRL.

http://rgrol.eve-vippy.com/killboard/related/304/ <--fight
http://rgrol.eve-vippy.com/killboard/kill/305/ <--nestor

MAD props to The Natural Order for taking the fight, bringing the fight, and being generally awesome good sports about the whole thing.





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Crosspoasting the above from our internal forums.

LordsServant
January 19 2015, 06:36:33 PM
Just had a fucking INSANE fight with Arctic Light.

Mad props for them for going balls deep on us.

It was intense as fuck......here is the endstate for me:

http://i.imgur.com/mVX3Q4x.jpg

AAR coming shortly...

LordsServant
January 20 2015, 05:14:31 PM
It was the morning of 1/19, fresh and clear.

The night before, we had rolled into a c5 with a static c6, which usually would bring us pew, but the residents, Band of Magnus (someone I do plan on getting a fight with later) were unfortunately not around to give us some pew.

I ran some sites, and cleared out several of the high end gas sites so there was plenty of isk to be made for all sorts of folks. With it being a Magnetar (bonus to dps, aka everything did 2x the dps it usually does), site running was very quick and very easy.

The next morning, I woke up, ran some more sites, and noticed that the static had rolled (we were no longer connected to the old c6 of Band of Magnus).

After a few hours, and with someone peeking around system with a $ tag on their ship (we figured they were from the c2) we decided to open up the new c6 static, assuming that the c2 residents might have done so themselves.

Upon opening the static, it became readily apparent that the c2 residents had NOT opened the static, as we were greeted by a flurry of probes within minutes of it opening, along with an ominous collection of red letters on vippy - Arctic Light.

For those that don't know, Arctic Light are one of the older and more established of c6 pvp groups, with a strong emphasis on EU/RU(?). VENIO has previously tangled with them (http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?144-Wormhole-Space-(147-posts-deleted-and-counting)&...) in their off TZ, resulting in a clear win for us.

This time round, it was peak TZ for them, and we had relatively low numbers. Despite this, after a quick bit of discussion to see what we could pull on comms, I decided that we could probably take whatever they could bring due to the supremacy of Gilafleet over armor t3s.

Reaching into the same :backroom channel: I was able to get in touch with Arctic Light, asking them if they were willing to form up for some pew - the response was a simple "yes."

Armed with this knowledge, we formed up the following:

6x Basilisk (2x were me multiboxing, 2x were someone else multiboxing)
2x Myrmidon
12x Gila (6x Me multiboxing, 6x someone else multiboxing)
1x Vulture
1x Sabre
1x Tengu
1x Bhaalgorn

Total: 24 Ships

With the knowledge that they were forming up and coming, I parked my 6x gilas, 2x basilisk on the entrance to our hole in the c5 magnetar between us to hopefully convince them to come to us.

Caltesius, being awesome, volunteered to scout in his Prospect, which unbeknownst to us was actually full of high end gas at the time. :P

As we began forming up, I asked for a constantly updated dscan, which remained ominously empty. It is my assumption based on past experiences that they formed up at a deepsafe, which would make sense given their long history of living in the system.

Suddenly, Caltesius spoke up with "HUGE FLEET LANDING ON THE HOLE," and gave me a dscan.

They had formed the following:

1x Ashimmu
3x Neuting Armageddon
1x Eos
1x Falcon
4x Guardian
2x Nestor
3x Neuting Legion
3x Loki
6x Proteus
1x Sabre
1x Stabber Fleet Issue

Total: 26 Ships

I only had the tiniest chance to look at the dscan as I told our fleet to begin warping to our static as they were already landing. Unfortunately, I was unable to get my recording software up in time, so this fight was sadly NOT recorded from our side.

Immediately upon engaging in the magnetar, their heavy neut presence was felt - all of our basilisks were rapidly capped out or under HEAVY neut pressure. This, combined with the magnetar's bonus to dps resulted in us rapidly losing a myrmidon (they are lightly tanked anyways compared to the gila), and 2 of our multiboxed basilisks (I was not aware of this until later, this multiboxer is slightly new to multiboxing pvp, but still did an admirable job with his remaining gilas, which would prove incredibly important in the fight later).

I immediately primaried one of their armageddons, rapidly forcing it through the hole. I called for our Bhaalgorn to jump in, and primaried the second armageddon. It would barely catch reps, but at this point they were focusing fire quite heavily onto my Vulture, and with most of our reps neuted out entirely, I made the call to pull back into our home, out of the magnetar's heavy dps bonus and into the warm, comforting embrace of the Pulsar's blue glow. My vulture barely made it out, jumping in barely 33% hull. ;)

Upon jumping through, we had a few seconds of respite to reorganize the fleet and immediately redrop drones. Unfortunately, one of my gilas somehow double jumped (I think) and ended up polarized on the other side of the hole, being largely useless for the rest of the fight as I was unable to jump it back in before it died while still under polarity on the other side.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the hole, the hostiles jumped in most of their fleet, and promptly neuted out most of logi again (dat Pulsar double neut bonus, making their neuts even MORE effective). Fortunately for us, the pulsar both weakened their tanks, and gave our already heavily tanked ships even MORE buffer. While their dps slowly chewed through our heavily tanked ships, I focused our considerable dps onto their neuting ships. Without their nestors on field, they were unable to hold reps, forcing all of their armageddons and legions to jump back through the hole in short order. We managed to blap a guardian and sabre before they pulled back, trading them for another lightly tanked myrmidon, and a neuted out basi.

No further ships appeared to be coming, as the remaining ships were forced to bail under our withering dps. This respite would prove only momentary, as a few seconds later the wormhole lit up in rapid succession - Arctic Light was going balls deep, bringing ALL of their ships into our home in rapid succession. Unfortunately, the mass from us using the wormhole the previous night, and the bhaalgorn, geddons, and various t3s bouncing around earlier caused the wormhole to collapse, resulting in one of their nestors and a geddon not making it into our home.

I initially primaried an armageddon, which with the combined guardian and nestor reps, was somehow able to survive.

A neut legion? Not so lucky. Proteus? Dead again. Unfortunately, we were still under heavy dps and neuting pressure, and they had managed to kill our bhaalgorn due to us being largely unable to apply reps (the neut legion I killed freed up a bit of capacitor so we were able to jump start one basi chain and apply reps near the end, but it would prove to be too little too late.)

I quickly swapped to a hostile guardian, which ate shit and died to ~3 volleys in a handful of seconds.

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As an aside and explanation here, most of the fighting that goes on in wspace revolves around armor t3s, most of which use either missiles or the long range variant of their guns.

Guardians are, in fact, on paper extremely low on EHP, struggling to break more than 90k on even the most HIGHLY blinged/slaved/bonused ships (several groups intentionally brick up their guardians as much as possible and REQUIRE HG slaves to fly them since they're so fragile). Most of the perceived "tank" on guardians relies on their sig making it difficult to apply dps. This tends to work effectively against your average BS, rail proteus, beam legions, HAMgus, etc etc.

Not so against the Gila. The gila deals almost all of its dps in the form of 2 superbonused MEDIUM drones. These drones deal in excess of 600 dps per gila, and with our fit can apply this dps from 0-->100km+. Medium drones track extremely well, and have plenty of signature resolution on the drones to apply all of their damage pretty much flawlessly against guardians.

With 11 gilas on the field, this mean that their guardians were taking almost 7k dps perfectly applied - to put this in perspective, most dreadnoughts deal in the range of 12k dps. When dread blapping, especially with turret dreads, you rarely apply anywhere near that amount of dps. You usually get a lucky few shots, and pray that you can volley things with your alpha.

We were applying, PERFECTLY, a little over half a dreads worth of dps, instantly swappable. Their guardians (and pretty much all guardians in general) didn't have a chance, especially in their weakened state in our pulsar.

I continued to primary their guardians, taking down all 4 guardians (the 1 we'd killed earlier had reshipped) in the space of a minute. We lost a hurricane fleet issue, due to it not having enough resists (and we were down to 3 basilisks at this point) to hold despite heated reps through the neuting, and I lost another gila due to broadcasting late/neuted reps.

With their guardians down, only their nestor on field for reps, and with neuting being our main issue, I swapped to their geddon and rapidly began taking it down.

Seeing the writing on the wall, the rest of their fleet aligned and bailed. GFs all around in local, and an INCREDIBLE fight from arctic light, easily the best we've had so far as an alliance. ;)

Mad props to them for going balls deep, mad props to everyone in our alliance for giving it their all, despite being outnumbered and going up against one of the bigger wspace groups, and all around good job to everyone involved.

I do not have fraps, but I do have a screenshot of what my vulture looked like at the end of that fight:
http://i.imgur.com/mVX3Q4x.jpg

I gave them the sigs to get their fleet out, and learned that they do have a recording from their side - perhaps we'll get a video and/or comms from them. ;)

All around GFs, and I hope everyone enjoyed a VERY intense and fun fight. ;)

BRs: http://rgrol.eve-vippy.com/killboard/related/346/
http://rgrol.eve-vippy.com/killboard/related/329/

This was all done from memory and killboard reports, as I have no recording of the fight. I believe it to be accurate, but a few minor details might be off if/when we get a recording of the fight. :P


The above is crosspoasted from our internal forums.

As always, VENIO is recruiting. ;)

Mad props to Arctic Light for being ballsy as fuck and bringing the GFs.

Lucence
February 1 2015, 09:22:48 PM
News from the last frontier:

BAND of MAGNUS (https://zkillboard.com/corporation/685333984/) (C6-5 no effect (http://wh.pasta.gg/j144420) corp) got evicted by HK
"BoM batphoned Ixtab so we brought QEX just in case"
200B total damage in PvP (https://zkillboard.com/br/25217/) (hopefully I didn't accidentally the BR, fuck your neutral alts)
[21:01:10] Braxus Deninard > count for self destructed ships from target: 375
[21:02:51] Lanaya Tsero > what's estimate of what they sd iskwise
[21:02:58] Braxus Deninard > at least 100b, probably a few hundred bil
NoHo rolled into the ongoing eviction...and rolled out
Evacuation (https://zkillboard.com/kill/44316324/) failed (https://zkillboard.com/kill/44316367/)

Alundil
February 2 2015, 07:50:29 PM
Logging out in pos had has been a bad idea since..... well for a long damn time

Tappin dat talk

Seraph IX Basarab
February 3 2015, 01:23:50 AM
Good for HK but at this point it's like watching a rugby player drop kick a 10 year old. Well yeah, of course the kid exploded into meat chunks and blood, what did you expect?

LordsServant
February 3 2015, 03:31:12 AM
Good for HK but at this point it's like watching a rugby player drop kick a 10 year old. Well yeah, of course the kid exploded into meat chunks and blood, what did you expect?

I expected exactly what happened, but not for the reason you're saying.

I haven't seen Band of Magnus THAT often in my time in wspace, but the few times I have sees them they were engaging in just the kind of one-sided ganking you're blaming HK for here.

In every engagement I've ever had with them or seen they played it pretty BS, intentionally massing holes to mess up fights/split fleets, never trying for a GF, never fighting the larger groups except in their home hole where they could bring a dread blob, acting like asshats hunting and podding people to the last person, etc etc.

You might respond with some "hurf blurf Lords something something arranged fights something something," but that's how at least the original old guard WH groups have done things - mutual respect and ~e-honour~ are a huge deal.

Band of Magnus didn't want to play like that? Fuck em. The eviction, and getting blobbed to shit (which they really werent that badly) was nothing less than what they deserved for their actions, ironically by Hard Knocks.

Hard Knocks were much the same when they started before they split/failscaded, forming into their current group/iteration - except NoHo and co fucked up the eviction. Hard Knocks, despite being general asshats then(and a few are now to be fair lol), were asshats who didn't cry and held their own, beating their eviction.

Band of Magnus? Couldn't defend their hole, and self destructed all their shit like the pussies they are when faced with the possibility of a real fight instead of their usual ganks.

Hard Knocks said they were evicting them for these reasons - and I can absolutely confirm it.

You know nothing about wspace Seraph, and the reasons behind why this stuff happens.

Seraph IX Basarab
February 3 2015, 06:33:06 AM
"You know nuffin' John Snow." :-P

Here's my opinion on the matter and you're welcome to discard it which I'm sure you will.


The "good old times" never existed. It's nostalgia mixed with rose tinted glass retrospect. Nobody is obligated to have "arranged fights" with anyone. From the KB it looked like these guys could field MAYBE 20 or 30 people. You going to form 20-30 people and tell the other 80-70 to go sit on their thumbs? Doubtful. I'm sure most of your engagements are "ganks" and not "fair fights." That's the nature of Eve. And of course people are going to roll in your face. You can make 100 man fleets. You guys are pretty big for w-space. Hell you guys are huge for lowsec and could probably fair damn well in 0.0 as well.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/43945969/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43945975/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/43946034/

My guys were afk grinding some structures a while back. Nobody asked us for "arranged fights", you guys didn't attack with just 3 guys. You came in full force, you even had *GASP* ECM(!?!?!?) OH LAWD! And guess what? Good for you. We should of been paying more attention and got what we got. 3 ACs aren't going to break anyone's wallet or KB. It is what it is.

All I'm saying is you don't need to justify this sort of shit by giving some e bushido honor bullshit reason. You tell people "you know why we evicted these guys? Because fuck them that's why" and that's that. Easy to talk about e honor and fair fights when you're the biggest guy swinging the biggest sword. Props to HK for it, I sincerely mean that.

Daneel Trevize
February 3 2015, 07:57:57 AM
The first few years of w-space (pre-2011?), with AHARM and CCRES as the top kids on the block, were as described iirc. Very few superlarge T3 blobs, mostly smaller groups without everyone having blap dreads (remember the Nag was not OP then), and generally less population, with solo T3 kill loot easily covering you for a PLEX a month. So there was no reason not to give it a try fighting against whoever you did happen across. They wouldn't be in a perfect comp or have overwhelming numbers such that you couldn't downship to BSs and BCs and kill 1 of theirs before you all die. Again, remember canes weren't crap then either.

Seraph IX Basarab
February 3 2015, 09:00:01 AM
The first few years of w-space (pre-2011?), with AHARM and CCRES as the top kids on the block, were as described iirc. Very few superlarge T3 blobs, mostly smaller groups without everyone having blap dreads (remember the Nag was not OP then), and generally less population, with solo T3 kill loot easily covering you for a PLEX a month. So there was no reason not to give it a try fighting against whoever you did happen across. They wouldn't be in a perfect comp or have overwhelming numbers such that you couldn't downship to BSs and BCs and kill 1 of theirs before you all die. Again, remember canes weren't crap then either.

Well if that is the case I'm sure you can see the irony of a large wh corp that can field 100 people missing the "good ol days." Honestly HK could probably just make two 50 man fleets in their own wh and go at it.

LordsServant
February 3 2015, 02:35:38 PM
The first few years of w-space (pre-2011?), with AHARM and CCRES as the top kids on the block, were as described iirc. Very few superlarge T3 blobs, mostly smaller groups without everyone having blap dreads (remember the Nag was not OP then), and generally less population, with solo T3 kill loot easily covering you for a PLEX a month. So there was no reason not to give it a try fighting against whoever you did happen across. They wouldn't be in a perfect comp or have overwhelming numbers such that you couldn't downship to BSs and BCs and kill 1 of theirs before you all die. Again, remember canes weren't crap then either.

Well if that is the case I'm sure you can see the irony of a large wh corp that can field 100 people missing the "good ol days." Honestly HK could probably just make two 50 man fleets in their own wh and go at it.

You do know that I'm NOT Hk right?

It's easy for me to talk about "bushido and ehonour" not because I'm in Hk( and as I mentioned they aren't very big on it either) but because that's just the way I do things.

My alliance is not one of the largest (well, maybe, we can form pretty solid numbers, with isboxer) nor are we as well funded as some of the larger groups are, yet I still live by that bushido thing personally, and expect the same from my alliance.

Coming in force, or numbers has nothing to do with it - it's about having the right attitude, and following the simple rule of "Don't be a dick."

Lots of groups live by that, band of Magnus didn't. They pissed the wrong ppl off by doing this consistently over time, and paid the price.

Seraph IX Basarab
February 3 2015, 02:57:31 PM
I honestly have no idea who you are, no offense. I personally don't believe in any such code. There's only one rule: survival.

Wander
February 3 2015, 03:00:27 PM
W-space is surprisingly small and being a dick will sooner or later come back to bite you. Showing some respect to the people living in the same space is something that makes w-space different. We might be fighting one day and join for an op afterwards.

LordsServant
February 3 2015, 04:40:45 PM
W-space is surprisingly small and being a dick will sooner or later come back to bite you. Showing some respect to the people living in the same space is something that makes w-space different. We might be fighting one day and join for an op afterwards.

This. In the past two fights I've had with Arctic Light, both sides have been perfectly respectful, and despite us both going at it with everything we've got, we still were able to be perfectly respectful and congratulate each other on a gf.

It's always best to be a good sport, not a sore loser(altho getting dreadblapped by LZHX after they cried about the possibility of us doing it to them is p. bs), and don't dick people over when the pewing is done.

You never know when you're gonna have a ton of capitals tackled, or be fighting in a chain they connect to.

Wspace and the majority of the pvp residents (bear holes aside ofc) generally respect each other and have a bit of a stronger sense of community than other areas of the game.

The wspace community isn't the teeming cesspool of shit and shitpoasters that losec and null have seemingly turned into lately. :P

Lucence
February 3 2015, 06:08:15 PM
The wspace community isn't the teeming cesspool of shit and shitpoasters that losec and null have seemingly turned into lately. :P

Give it time, eventually TISHU will move to a C5.

LordsServant
February 3 2015, 08:52:13 PM
The wspace community isn't the teeming cesspool of shit and shitpoasters that losec and null have seemingly turned into lately. :P

Give it time, eventually TISHU will move to a C5.

c5 wolf rayet so lex can fly around with a bunch of archons with napocs and shittalk about how noone will fight him and how's so 1337...

...and then somehow he'll still whelp them all horribly while complaining about a hotdrop logintrap or blob or something. )))

Reppyk
February 4 2015, 12:17:06 AM
...and then somehow he'll still whelp them all horribly(the word is "welp")

LordsServant
February 4 2015, 02:48:24 AM
Considering we now have an arctic light official in this thread, can we get a word or BR on this?

https://zkillboard.com/br/25442/

More specifically this:

https://zkillboard.com/kill/44356287/

Wander
February 4 2015, 09:50:56 AM
NoHo caught us on the last site with some of our capitals still in siege/triage and things escalated. The carriers were an idea to hold against the neuting power of fleets like NoHo's and it did work well for a while, but we didn't manage to get enough of them off the field to keep it going. 13 neuting legions is a ALOT. We had guys still stuck in HS after an op on the weekend so we couldn't all get in on the action (me included).

Shiny mails were made, but it happens. Waiting for the next round

Smuggo
February 4 2015, 10:04:48 AM
Considering we have medical professionals on this forum, can we get a word on where LordsSavant can be located on the spectrum?

Keckers
February 4 2015, 11:04:34 AM
#wrektrum

Ruri
February 4 2015, 06:01:23 PM
#quacktrum

Lucence
February 4 2015, 06:29:05 PM
The wspace community isn't the teeming cesspool of shit and shitpoasters that losec and null have seemingly turned into lately. :P

I knew he'd jinx it.

Doomday
February 11 2015, 02:45:06 PM
The wspace community isn't the teeming cesspool of shit and shitpoasters that losec and null have seemingly turned into lately. :P

I knew he'd jinx it.

IRONY!

CYNOS UP, I'M JUMPING OUT (sorry Lordservant pays us visits to LS thread so I felt I'd return the favor)


something something Dunk Phoenix

Approaching Walrus
February 19 2015, 09:07:02 PM
The wspace community isn't the teeming cesspool of shit and shitpoasters that losec and null have seemingly turned into lately. :P

Give it time, eventually TISHU will move to a C5.

speaking of teeming cesspools of shit what happened to Aperture Harmonics?

Lucence
February 19 2015, 09:36:03 PM
The wspace community isn't the teeming cesspool of shit and shitpoasters that losec and null have seemingly turned into lately. :P

Give it time, eventually TISHU will move to a C5.

speaking of teeming cesspools of shit what happened to Aperture Harmonics?

As far as I know they're still in Polaris with rest of NoHo and recruiting. Latest ~relevant~ event in high class is Disavowed disbanding.

Alundil
February 19 2015, 10:56:40 PM
The wspace community isn't the teeming cesspool of shit and shitpoasters that losec and null have seemingly turned into lately. :P

Give it time, eventually TISHU will move to a C5.

speaking of teeming cesspools of shit what happened to Aperture Harmonics?

As far as I know they're still in Polaris with rest of NoHo and recruiting. Latest ~relevant~ event in high class is Disavowed disbanding.

Yup. Rip disavowed. And haven't seen/heard much from aharm in a while. But know that they're still in noho and noho is going strong as far as I can tell.

Tappin dat talk

Moxie
February 20 2015, 10:06:07 PM
this is my new home

Keckers
February 20 2015, 10:26:04 PM
I honestly have no idea who you are, no offense. I personally don't believe in any such code. There's only one rule: survival.

What money making schemes do you have to ensure your survival? I hear you aren't too successful at this mercenary lark...

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/gimme-money-or-i-join-goons.html

Seraph IX Basarab
February 21 2015, 08:28:06 AM
I honestly have no idea who you are, no offense. I personally don't believe in any such code. There's only one rule: survival.

What money making schemes do you have to ensure your survival? I hear you aren't too successful at this mercenary lark...

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/gimme-money-or-i-join-goons.html

Wasn't a scheme. Made an offer, he wasn't interested, he decided to bitch blog about it.

Edit: Also why are you reading that without protective goggles?

Alundil
February 22 2015, 07:46:44 PM
Was an 'interesting' offer

Tappin dat talk

Seraph IX Basarab
February 23 2015, 03:59:24 PM
Fair wages for fair work.

QuackBot
February 23 2015, 04:00:16 PM
Was an 'interesting' offer

Tappin dat talk
Talk to them if you want an all metal replica.

Alundil
February 23 2015, 05:06:01 PM
This was a very fun fight. Basically stretched out over 3 separate instances.

LZHX rolled into us from their C5 Pulsar. We formed a fairly small shield fleet to meet their Shield T3 fleet while pinging for more dudes. We jumped into them and had a quick skirmish trading HACs 1 for 1 before needing to pull back to our home (Pulsar and Basi reps stronk). They followed us through but we pulled off to reship. As we got really good response from the pings we reshipped to armor T3s and headed back to the hole. We were able to kill 3 of the basis when they jumped into us but gave up 2 T3 in the process before forcing them back through. At that point, FC made the call jump in after them to see if we could catch some before they warped off but upon seeing their fleet there with the remaining basi support he called for us to jump back. At this point there had been quite a bit of jumping back an forth through the hole (3b connection). LZHX told us they were reshipping and coming back for "Round 3" so we regrouped at a POS to wait.

Come back they did with a very heavy T3 fleet including Moros and paired Nestors with 4-5 guardians. Decision was made to triage archon with fighter support in the fight otherwise we wouldn't have had enough dps to realistically take the fight.

Very nice fight ensues.
https://zkillboard.com/br/28385/
https://zkillboard.com/br/28116/

Battle reports are a little screwy because of the multiple transits across the hole over the course of the 3 engagements. Props to LZHX for bringing the fight to the very end.

10/10 would fight again.

Lucence
March 1 2015, 04:50:41 PM
HK finds NoHo running sites; all holes are crit except for one EOL frigate hole. They batphone Pizza and proceed to kill 4 caps (https://zkillboard.com/br/29272/) at the cost of a few stealth bombers, prompting Two Step to login to scold the idiots, or so I'm told.

Longdrinks
March 1 2015, 05:06:57 PM
http://pizza.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=27719334 i hope this brings more clarity

Koz Katral
March 2 2015, 12:15:19 AM
http://pizza.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=27719334 i hope this brings more clarity

Nothing on the pizza killboard ever brings clarity. Only eye cancer.

LordsServant
March 9 2015, 04:13:07 AM
After the shit month of me being banned while CCP investigated and got my stolen character(s) back, VENIO and RGROL return to our gilafleet bread and butter. ;)

http://www.twitch.tv/lords_serv/b/634590741

First fight : 00:00 : (shield in our home):
http://rgrol.eve-vippy.com/killboard/related/639/

Second fight : 13:00 : (they reshipped to armor, we went balls deep into their home - we continued the gilapocalypse):
http://rgrol.eve-vippy.com/killboard/related/644/

You can hear everyone BUT me on my stream. Still not sure why, this is somewhat annoying. :(

Zero losses, conclusive wins. ;)

Props to Low-Class to bringing the fight twice. Also, witness the power of even low gila numbers on guardians and vexor navies. ;)

Will write full BR later.

Alundil
March 17 2015, 03:34:54 PM
So expectations after the evac of NoHo from Polaris and the potential split/disband of corps?

Does the 'WHCFC' (HK/LZHX/SSC) grow larger than they already are?
Does some large-ish group goo off to carve out their own section of C5 space?

I'd read the tea leaves but I'm all out of tea.

Tappin dat talk

Lucence
March 17 2015, 03:48:32 PM
So expectations after the evac of NoHo from Polaris and the potential split/disband of corps?

Does the 'WHCFC' (HK/LZHX/SSC) grow larger than they already are?
Does some large-ish group goo off to carve out their own section of C5 space?

I'd read the tea leaves but I'm all out of tea.

Tappin dat talk

WHCFC HR has been working full time since NoHo started their evac so yeah you can expect them to become larger still.

We'll see whether NoHo 2.0 goes to C5 but it's probable due to their fondness for caps and C6 being stale as fuck (I'd feel sorry for xtrah if they moved to low class). C4 would be another option for splinter groups, for subcap pvp they are currently the best holes you can have (solves cap escalation problem, massive chains, easy logistics, annoying to evict if there's any token defense fleet...).

I could hit up a couple NoHo people see what their plans are, but others in this thread are better connected than me.

I wonder who is going to move to Polaris, hopefully it won't be QEX renters.

Alundil
March 18 2015, 03:35:57 AM
Chatted briefly with corbexx earlier and he tells me exceed will be fine. No plans were divulged/discussed.

Not really hard much from any other known NoHo gold though yet.

Tappin dat talk

Michael1995
March 18 2015, 04:10:19 AM
From what I've heard, one of the corps might be staying behind in Polaris. Probably for the farming. And the AHARM side might be moving to a C5-C1 Pulsar or something.

I've only seen/accepted a couple ex-NOHO apps, one seeded with us (LZHX) and QEX to gank (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=27864856) a NOHO farm group within hours of leaving NOHO. They were not pleased.

And we've been trying to cut back on the fat in corp, we'll get below 300 (http://puu.sh/gEZwX/909f49bff0.png) soon enough. :)

Alundil
March 18 2015, 05:03:15 AM
we'll get below 300 (http://puu.sh/gEZwX/909f49bff0.png) soon enough. :)

Bit late for the new year's resolution eh?

Hehe jk

Tappin dat talk

JohnBlathos
March 18 2015, 07:58:52 AM
And we've been trying to cut back on the fat in corp, we'll get below 300 (http://puu.sh/gEZwX/909f49bff0.png) soon enough. :)

Kick Bronwolff, please. I would like my director back )))

Raq
March 19 2015, 05:04:46 AM
And we've been trying to cut back on the fat in corp, we'll get below 300 (http://puu.sh/gEZwX/909f49bff0.png) soon enough. :)

Kick Bronwolff, please. I would like my director back )))

wat, no

also, much tinfoil hattery in this thread heh

Alundil
March 19 2015, 11:28:07 PM
Which part specifically? Because it's not the most active posts. That means most of it is old and obsolete/irrelevant.

If you mean my question, I don't see how that question can be tinfoil hattish.

Tappin dat talk

Lucence
March 19 2015, 11:36:45 PM
So I accidentally came across this (https://zkillboard.com/br/32014/).

I have no words for the level of irony right here.

LeoniaTavira
March 20 2015, 12:44:14 PM
What's ironic about that?
For those of us who don't see more than "two sides clashed in a wormhole and one of them got dunked"

Alundil
March 20 2015, 01:30:43 PM
What's ironic about that?
For those of us who don't see more than "two sides clashed in a wormhole and one of them got dunked"

QEX made a name for themselves killing capital escalation fleets. And it's pretty rare to see them get killed in the same fashion.

Tappin dat talk

tolvir
March 20 2015, 01:43:05 PM
Wonder what the BR for that is, wonder if trap or rage roll

Lucence
March 20 2015, 05:17:03 PM
What's ironic about that?
For those of us who don't see more than "two sides clashed in a wormhole and one of them got dunked"

QEX made a name for themselves killing capital escalation fleets. And it's pretty rare to see them get killed in the same fashion.

Tappin dat talk

Also adding another layer of irony, Russians (QEX) got dunked by Ukrainians (SHKID)

LordsServant
March 20 2015, 05:30:37 PM
What's ironic about that?
For those of us who don't see more than "two sides clashed in a wormhole and one of them got dunked"

QEX made a name for themselves killing capital escalation fleets. And it's pretty rare to see them get killed in the same fashion.

Tappin dat talk

Also adding another layer of irony, Russians (QEX) got dunked by Ukrainians (SHKID)

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/article7497449.ece/alternates/w460/Putin.jpg

Putin just found the next Ukrainian town that could use some "motherland." )))

Daneel Trevize
March 20 2015, 10:46:08 PM
HK finds NoHo running sites; all holes are crit except for one EOL frigate hole. They batphone Pizza and proceed to kill 4 caps (https://zkillboard.com/br/29272/) at the cost of a few stealth bombers, prompting Two Step to login to scold the idiots, or so I'm told.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2zpkn4/video_through_the_frigate_hole/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHCPe1caOq8&list=PLp2ncwMG52w8PMYy-Xg2uDR9Vg2hjyPYu

Lucence
March 21 2015, 12:09:20 AM
HK finds NoHo running sites; all holes are crit except for one EOL frigate hole. They batphone Pizza and proceed to kill 4 caps (https://zkillboard.com/br/29272/) at the cost of a few stealth bombers, prompting Two Step to login to scold the idiots, or so I'm told.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2zpkn4/video_through_the_frigate_hole/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHCPe1caOq8&list=PLp2ncwMG52w8PMYy-Xg2uDR9Vg2hjyPYu

The BR I linked is in J150020 aka Polaris
The one you linked is in J125101

Different fights.

Michael1995
March 21 2015, 02:30:03 AM
So I accidentally came across this (https://zkillboard.com/br/32014/).

I have no words for the level of irony right here.

Looks like they (SHKID Republic) rolled in on them (W-Space Citizen) running sites, and then QEX rolled in and started rolling (Nag is rolling fit) about 15 minutes after the gank. The system was also a Magnetar, so gg bear caps. :)




The BR I linked is in J150020 aka Polaris
The one you linked is in J125101

Different fights.

BR for that video: https://zkillboard.com/br/32174/


They haven't had very good luck with their evictions recently, they keep coming across HK: https://zkillboard.com/br/32175/

QuackBot
March 21 2015, 08:00:15 AM
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/article7497449.ece/alternates/w460/Putin.jpg

Putin just found the next Ukrainian town that could use some "motherland." )))
Maybe a new gambit - russian peacekeepers to protect everyone from everyone else in the [url=http://news.

tolvir
March 25 2015, 10:22:24 AM
The BR I linked is in J150020 aka Polaris
The one you linked is in J125101

Different fights.

BR for that video: https://zkillboard.com/br/32174/


They haven't had very good luck with their evictions recently, they keep coming across HK: https://zkillboard.com/br/32175/

That Fight was so funny, I think we got more dicked by the pos we were helping to save than the people who were trying to kill it overall.

Lucence
April 6 2015, 01:12:37 AM
Guess they're done moving out of Polaris.
RIP NoHo (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/No_Holes_Barred) ;_;7
http://i.imgur.com/v24vh38.png

tolvir
April 7 2015, 06:59:46 AM
LZHX Vs Wh0re

Original write up by Luft Reich

Easter Sunday, dinner time in America so numbers were low. A few of us had just gotten back from poking Eve-Uni in Syndicate and decided to roll for pew with the 6 or so people we had online at the time. After about an hour of rolling and me nearly falling asleep on my desk, Peter calls out we are connected to WH0RE, the same people we had fought yesterday. With multiple Archons, Dreads, and webbers on scan it is fairly obvious we rolled into them just before they started some Sunday krabbing, but WH0RE being people to not back down from a fight, drop probes immediately and in order to hide our fleet from their scout who is furiously probing our fleet, we bounce the fleet from the static to a Safe and setup a D-Scan Inhib in an effort to hide our fleet.

Minutes pass as the scout sits cloaked, but does not drop probes, finally deciding to jump back. "Are they going to try and roll the hole" the question is raised over comms, but knowing the legacy of WH0RE and given the reshipping in their home we deduce that they will bring a fight. We ping frantically as they vastly outnumber our small fleet, and people who are free on Easter Sunday begin to login and join the fleet. I was moving around between managing Easter Dinner and being active in the fleet, and right as I sit down for dinner I am pinged that the fight is about to start so I ran back to my computer.

We land on the static and jump the hole into the teeth of their enemy fleet, holding 2 Naglfars in reserve but jumping Peter's Niddy in to sail the rough seas of WH0RE. Enemy Nestors are positioned on the hole at 0, allowing our 4 Bhaalgorns and 7 Neut Legions to pounce on the bulk of the hostile repping power. Subcap targets are called, but WH0RE reps hold strong on the first few targets called until the full power of Bhaalgorn neuts and jamming power of 2 Jamgus is brought into full effect. We are able to break a single Loki just as an Archon from WH0RE lands in the bubbles, putting it roughly 15km away from the hole, in neut range of Bhaals. Full neuts are applied to the Archon as he stands as the last bastion between our dps and the enemy fleet as we have held their Nestor cap dry for most of the fight. Following behind the Archon was a Phoenix, and two additional Dreads were seen on scan, one Moros on short, Peter not sure about the exact escalation they will bring agrees now is the time to commit both Naglfars. Pubway and Ksig jump the hole, and lay siege to the hostile Archon who quickly evaporates into structure, where bulkheads only slow his inevitable fate.

As the Archon drops, the first Moros lands to see the fresh wreck of his friend in the Archon and is greeted by the combined neuting power of 4 Bhaalgorns and 7 Legions. However, we do not switch dread DPS to the Moros at first, instead electing to systematically headshot both Bhaalgorns as the repping power for the Nestors and Guardians on field is not capable of holding back the tidal wave of DPS. Now full fleet DPS is swapped to the first Moros who is help cap dry, knowing the must burn him down quickly as a second Moros is spotted on short d-scan. At about half armor, the second Moros arrives, and Peter's tank is already stressed after the cap pressure and dread dps that has been applied. Neuting power is overheated and swapped to the second Moros, who is correctly Semi Rigged, in an effort to stop him from firing.

The first Moros falls, second one is burning cap, Niddy is holding low shield, often dipping lower than 20% shield. But what is this? The Niddy is regaining shield...The Moros is still not capped out 100%. The Phoenix in an effort to break Peter's Niddy cooked his guns, thus rendering his Dread useless. Moments later the Moros is capped out and melted, followed by the Phoenix who falls quickly to the neut pressure (He had CCC Rigs Fit). The Phoenix falls. Next the enemy Nestor are primaried and brought down, followed by Chester in the Damnation and a lone Guardian.

BR: http://kb.lazerhawks.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=21292


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Di9SI3PUYW4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JwKTQABWlFA

Massive Props to Wh0re from Lazerhawks we Had a huge fight with them the night before and then Got this the next night and both times they brought a great fight

whispous
April 7 2015, 09:00:05 AM
Brilliant br

sent from tefpho e

tolvir
April 7 2015, 09:05:44 AM
Thanks Like I said it was originally by one of our other pilots but I felt it needed showing here.

Also added our PoV of the fight

Lucence
April 13 2015, 09:18:53 AM
Today in the WH gossip column~

Two weeks after the clinical death of NoHo, where are the people ?

eXceed apparently settled in a C5-5 no effect (http://wh.pasta.gg/j230936), almost without incident (https://zkillboard.com/related/31001970/201504121700/).
Aperture Harmonics rejoined their vanity alliance and took control (https://zkillboard.com/kill/45756936/) of a C4-2/4 pulsar (http://wh.pasta.gg/j165645), quickly resuming (https://zkillboard.com/kill/45910555/) the intense PvP (https://zkillboard.com/related/31001637/201504112200/) that made them infamous.
NorCorp is pretty much dead besides some dicking around in Thera
A dozen or so (https://zkillboard.com/character/90688298/) pilots merged into Snigg (https://www.pandemic-legion.com/forums/showthread.php?61858-Fearless-Sister&p=832016&viewfull=1#post832016). Feed me WH (https://www.pandemic-legion.com/forums/showthread.php?60019-Caidzi) pilots (https://www.pandemic-legion.com/forums/showthread.php?61783-Maeror-Tri)


No Vacancies (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/No_Vacancies) seems to be collapsing but I don't know anyone in corp to c/d.

http://i.imgur.com/C6yzXIG.png

Lucence
April 14 2015, 02:35:13 AM
HK / LZHX / SSC / ISO5 farm a TLC krabbing fleet. 59B destroyed (http://kb.hardknocksinc.net/index.php/kill_related/41804/)



bonombonom > brax you fag this took an hour longer than you said
bonombonom > how do i file for drone reimbursement
Braxus Deninard > i shot all my nova and all my mjolnir, almost ran out of inferno
Braxus Deninard > 15 caps


Taking the trash out, here's some drama logs if you missed it:



[00:24:35] Dietrich III > TLC battle report so far: http://kb.hardknocksinc.net/index.php/kill_related/41804/
[00:25:43] Foedus Latro > o/ Dietrich
[00:25:47] Hidden Fremen > gloves off when it comes to krabbin
[00:25:54] Dietrich III > o/
[00:25:54] Trensk Mikakka > rip
[00:42:05] Loci Monsta > it was over 100 hk to 31 members of tlc and the fight lasted a hour.
[00:42:30] Hidden Fremen > wasn't a fight was a gank
[00:43:01] Loci Monsta > no it wasn't, but it will push those that fight out if it keeps up
[00:43:21] Hidden Fremen > lol
[00:43:58] Hidden Fremen > we don't respond to or ping for PvP but when it's folks bearing, there's no saying no
[00:44:27] Loci Monsta > I'm not mad I've lost caps before, but those of us that like good fights, well what that was is a different story lol
[00:44:50] Loci Monsta > well unfortunately need isk to replace the fighting ships
[00:45:51] Hidden Fremen > I can guarantee you would get good fights from anyone involved in that gank, if you leave your hole for them
[00:45:57] Loci Monsta > and i was surprised that it took 5 alliance's to do that
[00:46:08] Hidden Fremen > lol
[00:46:13] Hidden Fremen > pantheon, I mean...
[00:46:33] Loci Monsta > well i guess you got to pick your fights
[00:46:56] Hidden Fremen > TLC is known for bringing slowcats/pantheon to regular "PvP"
[00:47:26] Hidden Fremen > anyway, this isn't the channel for this, my bad
[00:47:33] Loci Monsta > yea we didn't bring them all and we wont anymore just because of that
[00:47:57] Hidden Fremen > good. you might get fights in home now, not just ganks
[00:50:28] Loci Monsta > my respect for other groups are getting less and less every day, as i know my opinion dont matter, I have been in w-space for a long time
[00:51:11] Loci Monsta > and i can see bull and that was it twice in 30 days
[00:51:22] Hidden Fremen > twice?
[00:51:28] Turd Destroyer > we got them before too hidden
[00:51:31] Peter Moonlight > mate, srsly, you guys never gave good fights thats why people treat you that way
[00:51:32] Kier Wilson > be bad enough to get found, and you should expect to die
[00:51:46] Turd Destroyer > they brought pantheon this time so we batphoned, fight was 1v1 for about first 40 mins
[00:51:46] Loci Monsta > yea we got hit by hk about 30 days ago
[00:52:24] Loci Monsta > no you didn't you had 100 man fleet on hand,, i got the down low so bull again
[00:52:33] Hidden Fremen > when the community knows you have an insatiable appetite to bear, you're going to be a huge target for ganks
[00:52:40] Kier Wilson > TLC has never given a good fight
[00:52:48] Hidden Fremen > ^
[00:54:23] Loci Monsta > ive said enough, i not want to start wars and such, it was a gank, it was way over powered and well lesson learned, next time.......
[00:55:24] Hidden Fremen > pantheon
[00:55:26] Hidden Fremen > I mean...
[00:56:27] Peter Moonlight > If you had a different attitude and if you were an entity that gives gudfites you might not be #1 sitegank target
[00:56:49] Loci Monsta > you are so full of it
[00:57:34] Loci Monsta > we always try to give good fights, when i was running disavowed we always got good fights from tlc
[00:58:15] Peter Moonlight > dude, disavowed had some very good time in their history and you were on top at some point probably, TLC never had anything good so, you just joined wrong alliance to do pvp
[00:59:18] Loci Monsta > you would know this how? who are you? we can fight we will fight, but gank tactics like that lol wtf.
[00:59:42] Peter Moonlight > the one who made both disavowed and tlc die many times ))
[00:59:59] Rater Chanlin > I am so jealous
[01:00:01] Peter Moonlight > I know enough
[01:00:11] Loci Monsta > o yea i remember killing some of your fleets too
[01:00:17] Kier Wilson > i have literally not once seen TLC give a good fight in a year and a half of WH space
[01:00:39] Peter Moonlight > haha because it never happened rip
[01:00:41] Loci Monsta > well tlc been around longer then that
[01:02:41] Peter Moonlight > Loci Monsta What fleets of mine you killed m8?
[01:04:03] Loci Monsta > disavowed has fought and killed your group before as you have ours it was a indirect statement and a poke of fun
[01:04:04] Hidden Fremen > but seriously - there's a reason no one respects TLC
[01:04:14] Hidden Fremen > you're not in Disavowed anymore, dude
[01:04:30] Loci Monsta > no is lol
[01:04:36] Peter Moonlight > disavowed is ded get over it, sorry that you joined wrong place
[01:05:04] Hidden Fremen > I think a lot of people were shocked to see you join TLC because it only meant one of two things
[01:05:34] Loci Monsta > yea whats that?
[01:05:35] Hidden Fremen > 1) you want dank ISK, or 2) you wanted to make TLC a PvP entity
[01:06:07] Loci Monsta > the isk i dont care about, never did
[01:07:07] Kier Wilson > Loci Monsta > well unfortunately need isk to replace the fighting ships
[01:07:26] Hidden Fremen > those were fighting ships?
[01:07:32] Loci Monsta > the guys do. of course
[01:08:31] Kier Wilson > if by fighting ships you mean the ships that die when you get ganked then sure
[01:08:56] Loci Monsta > lol repeat my own words, sorry i didn't say that in plain english lol
[01:10:48] Rater Chanlin > recruitment channelsss
[01:11:35] Hidden Fremen > ty, Rater; we have Rainbows for this trash, tbh
[01:12:13] Loci Monsta > then trash shouldnt be posted here like the kill board stuff
[01:12:45] Loci Monsta > Dietrich III > TLC battle report so far: http://kb.hardknocksinc.net/index.php/kill_related/41804/
[01:12:46] * Hidden Fremen points at HK :P
[01:13:05] Kier Wilson > lol
[01:13:11] Loci Monsta > there will be no trash when trash isnt started
[01:13:15] Kier Wilson > cus posting a kb report=chest beating
[01:13:37] Loci Monsta > this is a fn recruitment channel per say
[01:13:52] Hidden Fremen > ^

ChaeDoc II
April 14 2015, 05:14:08 AM
First things first, Moonlight and Fremen should quit their bullshit by trying to suggest the reason this dunking happened had anything to do with TLC's poor 'gudfites' etiquette.

That being said, Loci should quit the whining. Shit happens. It'll happen again. Get over it. About 6 months ago it happened to us, I don't know if there were any tears in chat channels but everyone who lost their internet spaceships in that gank knew it was their own fault, just like this was yours.

Quit complaining and trying to suggest that things like this is why your corp seems so risk averse in PvP. Not that there's anything wrong with risk aversion, you can play the game however you like but don't try to bullshit the rest of us by saying it's because of others.

Hidden
April 14 2015, 08:08:04 PM
First things first, Moonlight and Fremen should quit their bullshit by trying to suggest the reason this dunking happened had anything to do with TLC's poor 'gudfites' etiquette.
I'll admit, it's only been in my own experience that TLC has never given fights. Any time we've tried (provoked/asked) we were denied. The last time I bothered we were told in local, by one of their members, "We only fight on our terms."
So, they've only been a target for ganks in my eyes, since then. Loci says he's trying to overhaul the TLC culture, though, as he recognizes it now, too.

LordsServant
April 14 2015, 09:52:57 PM
First things first, Moonlight and Fremen should quit their bullshit by trying to suggest the reason this dunking happened had anything to do with TLC's poor 'gudfites' etiquette.
I'll admit, it's only been in my own experience that TLC has never given fights. Any time we've tried (provoked/asked) we were denied. The last time I bothered we were told in local, by one of their members, "We only fight on our terms."
So, they've only been a target for ganks in my eyes, since then. Loci says he's trying to overhaul the TLC culture, though, as he recognizes it now, too.

One doesn't simply "overhaul TLC culture."

TLC back when they merged into Disavowed briefly is imo what ended up killing the alliance. They drove off most of the pvpers (I personally went super inactive shortly after they joined in disgust) and killed most pvp activity. It's hard to rage roll for pew when you've got idiots saying to hold on because they found a fucking instrumental (I got overrulled and told to "be nice to the new guys."). They had huge issues doing any kind of pew beyond parking in home, they had issues flying things and/or changing up their fits, and it went to shit.

TLC ended up leaving, the other idiots joined, and ofc with almost nothing left of actual Disavowed membership/FCs IN Disavowed, they failscaded not too long after with a few spectacular whelps in between.

TLC will continue to do what they do best - farm in their c6 for isk, and get farmed by pvpers whenever someone feels like it. I'm not sure if anyone wants to properly evict them atm since it's just as easy to kill their decent sized bear fleets for content and tears on the regular.

Michael1995
April 17 2015, 04:20:01 AM
So I accidentally came across this (https://zkillboard.com/br/32014/).

I have no words for the level of irony right here.

They got their revenge (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=28475754) today)

Word on the street is when they (SHKID) saw the reverse trap being sprung one of the phoenixes logged mid warp. And all their subcaps instantly safelogged the moment they logged in.

ChaeDoc II
April 18 2015, 04:55:34 AM
Well, TLC, we know that feel bro.

Hard Knocks and co caught us with our pants down in what seems like a bi-annual surprise PvP quad-caps party for us. At least this time it wasn't because we left holes open.

GF and credit to Hard Knocks, Lazerhawks and others. And credit to HK for their exemplary membership conduct afterwards in local.

https://zkillboard.com/br/36614/

Bonus context - This is from just after a 30 v 20 man gudfite we had with Lazerhawks a few weeks ago. [ 2015.03.31 03:52:47 ] paranoik vutra > we always come for fight you never come when you do you have 4:1

Michael1995
April 18 2015, 05:30:32 AM
The fight you're referring to you had closer to 40 to our 20.

As for only going to your home when we only have 4x the numbers...

The last time we came to your home for a #"gudfite" (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=27611504)
We had similar subcap numbers to each other, you dropped 3 dreads and a triage archon on us.

The first time we came to your home for a #"gudfite" (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23675718)
We outnumbered you in subcaps and had 3 dreads with us, you dropped 8 dreads and 2 triage archons on us.

And there has been a few instances where we've rocked up to your home with a 20 man fleet and been called faggots in local for a solid 10 minutes before giving up.

ron mexxico
April 18 2015, 05:51:56 AM
you bring dishonoure upon WH space with your more active player bases

Michael1995
April 18 2015, 05:57:15 AM
And I just realized the quote you linked was from someone in Lazerhawks. Now I feel pretty retarded. :P

In more cases than not, we've taken the fight to your home it seems. Maybe we need to roll C6s more often so you can jump into a neutral hole so we can clear things up. :)

ChaeDoc II
April 18 2015, 06:14:31 AM
The fight you're referring to you had closer to 40 to our 20.


Towards the end perhaps. But the meat of the fight was 3:2 while your guy whined about it being 4:1. 4:2 still isn't 4:1.




As for only going to your home when we only have 4x the numbers...


Where's that come from?



The last time we came to your home for a #"gudfite" (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=27611504)
We had similar subcap numbers to each other, you dropped 3 dreads and a triage archon on us.

3 things, 1) That isn't the last time 2) the last time was, for us, a POCO defence. We had no interest in a good fight. The objective was to stop you guys killing our POCO, which we succeeded in doing. And 3) even if it wasn't a POCO defence it was still a home defence. Who the hell caps fleet numbers for home defence fleets? lol.


The first time we came to your home for a #"gudfite" (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23675718)
We outnumbered you in subcaps and had 3 dreads with us, you dropped 8 dreads and 2 triage archons on us.

See above re: home defence.


And there has been a few instances where we've rocked up to your home with a 20 man fleet and been called faggots in local for a solid 10 minutes before giving up.

I don't doubt that some of our membership can be so childish, the difference is that we're embarrassed by them, you seem to give yours leadership roles.


I'd love to have more gudfites with Lazerhawks. When it comes to fleet organisation, tactics and doctrine compliance it's safe to say that you have us beat. But the problem you have isn't a pvp problem, it's that that 30/40 v 20 was possibly the only time we've ever outnumbered you on neutral territory, it was a good fight and it was one that both sides voluntarily engaged in. It wasn't a gank or anything like that and yet some of your guys were raging in our public channel. Over what?! It was hilarious and sad at the same time. The same thing happened when we were defending our POCO and massed the hole so that if you jumped though then you weren't all jumping back. We blueballed you shamelessly because you might have wanted a gudfite but we were only interested in defending our reinforced structure. Op success. And of course your guys were raging in our public channel.

It's a running joke in TDSIN when it comes to Lazerhawks, "they're angry when they win, when they lose and when they get blueballed".

I mean just looking at the local log from tonight, Lazerhawks fielded something like a third of HKs numbers in a dunk and while aside from Noobman posting funny links, HK all just said 'gf' while Hidden Fremen and Peter Moonlight were chest-beating. It'd be like American Samoa chest-beating over the second world war for sending 200 dudes and some slingshots to Europe.

We all get carried away sometimes, after a fight we can be pumped, the adrenaline is running and we're not at our most measured - i'm certainly not sometimes - but while I respect your game play the maturity of your leadership leaves a lot to be desired. We're not playing WoW here.

ChaeDoc II
April 18 2015, 06:25:02 AM
I should also add that maybe you guys don't have to deal with home defences as much as others because you live in a c5 pulsar while the vast majority of doctrines in w-space corps are armour. If this is why you don't understand when we bring all the caps to defend our space, because it's not a situation you yourselves have to face very often, then I can respect that.

Michael1995
April 18 2015, 06:59:41 AM
3 things, 1) That isn't the last time 2) the last time was, for us, a POCO defence. We had no interest in a good fight. The objective was to stop you guys killing our POCO, which we succeeded in doing. And 3) even if it wasn't a POCO defence it was still a home defence. Who the hell caps fleet numbers for home defence fleets? lol.

I haven't heard about it, I guess there wasn't anything on the killboard for either side so w/e.


See above re: home defence.

So someone committing 3 caps and subs to your home for a fight = an invasion?
iirc Exoo said that TDSIN wouldn't jump into a neutral hole for that fight, so gg.
It's that kind of mindset that is killing w-space imo.
We went to Dropbears home about a month ago with a Dread and a Carrier and they responded with 4 Dreads and 2 Carriers, along with the same amount of T3s as us. AFTER they said they didn't have the people to fight.


you seem to give yours leadership roles.

Hidden is the CEO of the corp lol, anyone else I've seen rage/talk/smack in local is a line member. Whenever there is local rage it's the same few dudes, whenever I'm around atleast. :S


It's a running joke in TDSIN when it comes to Lazerhawks, "they're angry when they win, when they lose and when they get blueballed".
The only time I've been around for local chatter against you was today and when you dropped 8 dreads on our 3. I'm sure you can understand why we'd be miffed about losing when you dropped 8 dreads on 3 when we came expecting a fight. Today? See below.


I mean just looking at the local log from tonight, Lazerhawks fielded something like a third of HKs numbers in a dunk and while aside from Noobman posting funny links, HK all just said 'gf' while Hidden Fremen and Peter Moonlight were chest-beating. It'd be like American Samoa chest-beating over the second world war for sending 200 dudes and some slingshots to Europe.

I reviewed local and it didn't seem like chest beating to me, it just looked some standard smacktalk to me. :/
And we brought 25~ to HK's 35~ which isn't surprising because HK has always been able to field (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=27593420) more (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=27593420) than us, be it on joint cap ganks or us fighting them.



I should also add that maybe you guys don't have to deal with home defences as much as others because you live in a c5 pulsar while the vast majority of doctrines in w-space corps are armour. If this is why you don't understand when we bring all the caps to defend our space, because it's not a situation you yourselves have to face very often, then I can respect that.

The last (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23674453) time someone actually jumped into our home for a fight with caps in tow. (lol)

We dropped 2 dreads expecting them to jump a 2nd in, after the fight they said they didn't have a 2nd shield cap to commit, so gg.
Mind you this was before the hyperion WH jump range changes, so the Nag just jumped out when the fight was lost. Leaving behind a couple of pods and the Chimera, which we broke after shooting it for like 3 minutes.

I don't get the line of thinking "Someone just locked themselves into our home with 3 caps and a subcap fleet, they're obviously invading, DROP THE BLOB OF CAPS!!!"
It guts the chances of anyone committing capitals in your home, let alone wanting to jumping into your home in fear of a cloud of blap dreads landing (Read: NOHO). If I was looking for onesided fights where we dropped a billion caps on some dudes expecting a fair/decent fight I'd join a nullsec/lowsec corp for that.

ChaeDoc II
April 18 2015, 07:40:32 AM
So someone committing 3 caps and subs to your home for a fight = an invasion?

Are you kidding? Who the fuck chooses to let 3 hostile capitals roam freely in their wormhole system? Of course it's an invasion. Just because you don't intend to knock over all our POSes with just those three doesn't mean we're willing to risk letting them survive in our system. I mean we're dumb, but come on.



iirc Exoo said that TDSIN wouldn't jump into a neutral hole for that fight, so gg.

At least twice since i've been in the corp (i've been inactive for about half the time) we've rolled ourselves out of home to engage in PVP with capitals. One of them was even intentional. The accidental one was against Dropbears in a shared static.
If you bring capitals to other peoples home systems you should expect to get cap blobbed, because no one wants to let your capitals survive in their hole. It's pretty easy to understand why.


We went to Dropbears home about a month ago with a Dread and a Carrier and they responded with 4 Dreads and 2 Carriers, along with the same amount of T3s as us. AFTER they said they didn't have the people to fight.


Lol. Good. Stop bringing capitals to other peoples homes if you don't like them getting cap blobbed. If i come into your house uninvited with a knife are you going to put down your gun and reach for the knife rack in the name of a fair fight?
How many times are you going to do the same thing, get the same result and complain about it all?



Hidden is the CEO of the corp lol, anyone else I've seen rage/talk/smack in local is a line member.

That's kinda my point. If the leadership does it the line members do it. I don't even have a problem with it, all i'm saying is that if you ever wonder why Lazerhawks is so disrespected it'll be entirely down to their conduct in chat. It's not for me to tell others how they should play a game they pay for.


And we brought 25~ to HK's 35~

You're quite right. 26 LZHK to 32 HK. I must have seen an incomplete BR.


The last time someone actually jumped into our home for a fight with caps in tow. (lol)

That's from last may. You're saying that once in the last 11 months has someone jumped capitals into your home for a fight, while you've done it to us numerous times, not to mention the dozens of times you'll have done it to all the other w-space corps combined. This backs up my suggestion that the reason you don't understand why you get cap blobbed is because you don't have to face it so much.


I don't get the line of thinking "Someone just locked themselves into our home with 3 caps and a subcap fleet, they're obviously invading, DROP THE BLOB OF CAPS!!!"

Nice strawman. If you want to keep bringing 3 capitals to our home only for use to cap blob you and then complain that we cap blobbed you then i invite you to persist with that PvP strategy. If you want a gudfite then invite us to engage on neutral ground. We've proven that we're more than willing to do that, despite what you say Exo said. But if you decide to bring capitals into other peoples homes then you know what's going to happen. Complaining about it when it does only makes you look like wallies.

Michael1995
April 18 2015, 07:57:17 AM
Your post has left my quite speechless. All I can say is your attitude and many others is what's wrong with W-Space. Please enjoy your 20+ man venture and marauder fleets that run for hours on end.

ChaeDoc II
April 18 2015, 08:04:20 AM
Well on behalf of everyone that isn't you, I'm sorry we're playing our game wrong.

Hidden
April 18 2015, 10:43:10 AM
Unreal. It's convenient to consider people bringing the fight to your doorstep an "invasion". This is the attitude that makes you one of the worst entities in upper class wormholes. This is what people do when they don't like to fight; making sure those hostiles don't come back.

And being "more than willing to bring the fight"? Our running joke for TDSIN is that you only claim to have wanted that fight after the opportunity is gone.

You're now known as a juicy krab gank, instead, like TLC has been for a while now.

I got a couple convos from TDSIN after that gank, by the way. Seems people don't know how to leave that corp because ISK and friends. It would be an entirely different thing if TDSIN just stops calling themselves a PvP group, though. Then people would stop trying to stop your PvE ops. You guys fight more over home and static sites than you do other entities, so you should be thanking us for diverting your frustrations.

ChaeDoc II
April 18 2015, 02:42:43 PM
It would be an entirely different thing if TDSIN just stops calling themselves a PvP group, though. Then people would stop trying to stop your PvE ops.

There's a lot of nonsense in your post, and in the things you say in game, but this is some of the funniest nonsense I've read in a long while.


It's convenient to consider people bringing the fight to your doorstep an "invasion".

Then keep bringing capitals to our home. We'll keep blobbing them. You know this is what will happen so if you keep bringing them then you've only yourselves to blame when it gets overwhelmed by 6 dreads, three carriers + support. And by all means keep complaining about it, it doesn't make you look silly at all, honest. We know you have capitals logged off in our system, as proven very recently, so why do you think we should risk you adding to what's already here if we can prevent it?
It's not you bullshitting that's incredible, EVE players bullshit all the time, it's that your bullshit makes absolutely no sense at all which makes it hilarious. It's as if logic doesn't matter to you. Just look at last night, if we had less of a relationship with rationality than we do we could complain that you blobbed a PvE fleet by 5 or 6 against 1. It'd be a silly thing to say of course, but why is it honourable to do that to a PvE fleet, where you're obviously not looking for a gudfite, but dishonourable for us to cap blob your PvP fleet while we're also not looking for a gudfite? Neither is intended to bring a gudfite, so why is one honourable and the other not?

But like I said, keep bringing capitals into our home. You know exactly what will happen, we'll cap blob them and we'll make no apologies for doing so. But if you bring just a subcap fleet then we'll bring a gudfite, if we can. So it's up to you, do you want a cap blob, or do you want the chance of a fight? I guess we'll find out the next time you roll into us.

But as for last night, you got a good gank. No one's complaining. Good job. But please don't embarrass yourself with the suggestion that you wouldn't have done it had we only called ourselves a PvE group, because that is ridiculous.

Hidden
April 18 2015, 05:13:15 PM
Lol. Can't continue with such oblivious dudes. Who's your Jim Jones there?

Aliventi
April 18 2015, 06:38:48 PM
In the classic FHC shiptoasting tradition can y'all please follow this rule? (http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?18121-Your-Alliance-Must-be-in-Your-Location) Not to mod or anything, but arguments are much more fun for us to watch when we know who is arguing with who.

LordsServant
April 18 2015, 07:40:53 PM
In the classic FHC shiptoasting tradition can y'all please follow this rule? (http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?18121-Your-Alliance-Must-be-in-Your-Location) Not to mod or anything, but arguments are much more fun for us to watch when we know who is arguing with who.

List of poasters in last 2 pages:

People involved directly in what spawned the current discussion last 2 pages:

Michael1995 = Michael1995, Lazerhawks - flies Naglfar occasionally, iirc part of lzhx leadership.
Chaedoc II = Chaedoc (? not sure exact ingame name, but similar) TDSIN leadership (?I think).
Exo = Exookiz, TDSIN Ceo
Hidden = Hidden Freeman, Lazerhawks, part of lazerhawks leadership, flies phoenix occasionally
tolvir = ?, Lazerhawks (?)

People not involved directly, but relevant:

LordsServant = Lord's Servant, Everlasting Vendetta. (corp), RGROL (alliance), helpful friendly guy typing this up, wh duder, cba to list all my stuff/accomplishments you probably know me
Lucence = Seiko, Everlasting Vendetta. (corp), RGROL (alliance), wh duder, decent sabre pilot when he pilots sabres.
Daneel Trevize = Daneel Trevize, random 1 man alt corp (?), does lots of micro stuff, iirc flies with EXO (Matari Exodus) relatively often, has a generally solid understanding of his area of game mechanics, good oneiros pilot and +1 Bittervet Chill (as a bittervet can be) Dude.
whispous = http://tinyurl.com/453unnn
quackbot = http://tinyurl.com/kl6mpdp
Aliventi = Curious RvB(?) fellow wanting to whet his appetite on some juicy wspace drama, but doesn't understand which llama is who in all this drama.

People not involved directly, irrelevant:

Ron mexxico = some random nobody who (iirc) failed out of BL into PL, shitposts all over reddit while doing nothing(I don't see him doing anything?) ingame, iirc he has a super alt that whelped one of the BL supers back in the day(?) and used to do no-risk fishing in groups of PL supers before phoebe.

ChaeDoc II
April 18 2015, 08:01:10 PM
Chaedoc II = Chaedoc (? not sure exact ingame name, but similar) TDSIN leadership (?I think)


Lol, no.

LordsServant
April 18 2015, 09:45:26 PM
Chaedoc II = Chaedoc (? not sure exact ingame name, but similar) TDSIN leadership (?I think)


Lol, no.

Well, you're sorta active and iirc you had access to the corp store. And you own a POS.

Chaedoc II - TDSIN non-basic member.

Close enough? ;)

ChaeDoc II
April 19 2015, 01:13:04 AM
That's all true, except the bit about owning a POS and having access to the corp store. I'm just a regular TDSIN scrub.

Koz Katral
April 19 2015, 02:03:03 AM
LordsServant you forgot to include "'most insufferable failheap dweebposter with a massively over inflated sense of his own worth" in your self description

Ronald of Mexico is currently PL's campaign commander in the noble pursuit of nulli secunda and their never ending quest to run the fuck away from anything that resembles spaceship violence.


Otherwise good summary though, cheers.

ron mexxico
April 19 2015, 06:44:35 AM
i'm also the one who made hero coaltion evac catch in a panic leading to the greatest alliance meltdown of all time :smug:

QuackBot
April 19 2015, 08:00:21 AM
That's all true, except the bit about owning a POS and having access to the corp store. I'm just a regular TDSIN scrub.
All true. But i can live with that as it seems to ha.

Seraph IX Basarab
April 19 2015, 09:27:41 AM
LordsServant you forgot to include "'most insufferable failheap dweebposter with a massively over inflated sense of his own worth" in your self description

Ronald of Mexico is currently PL's campaign commander in the noble pursuit of nulli secunda and their never ending quest to run the fuck away from anything that resembles spaceship violence.


Otherwise good summary though, cheers.

PL...hitting the hard targets.

;)

QuackBot
April 19 2015, 12:00:21 PM
Lol, no.
No. They tried but ccp said no.

ChaeDoc II
April 19 2015, 06:47:53 PM
Quackbot, your last two posts have confused the fuck out of me, but i love your avatar so it's all ok.

LoKiPP
April 20 2015, 02:15:28 AM
PL...hitting the hard targets.

;)

I look forward to the 2 year invasion of CFC space under the current sov model.

Grath
April 20 2015, 02:44:38 AM
LordsServant you forgot to include "'most insufferable failheap dweebposter with a massively over inflated sense of his own worth" in your self description

Ronald of Mexico is currently PL's campaign commander in the noble pursuit of nulli secunda and their never ending quest to run the fuck away from anything that resembles spaceship violence.


Otherwise good summary though, cheers.

PL...hitting the hard targets.

;)

The only target you find acceptable for our sub 2500 man alliance to hit is a coalition of 40k dudes made up of numerous actual alliances or the people we've had blue and been friends with for 5 years now.

Seraph IX Basarab
April 20 2015, 07:40:19 AM
LordsServant you forgot to include "'most insufferable failheap dweebposter with a massively over inflated sense of his own worth" in your self description

Ronald of Mexico is currently PL's campaign commander in the noble pursuit of nulli secunda and their never ending quest to run the fuck away from anything that resembles spaceship violence.


Otherwise good summary though, cheers.

PL...hitting the hard targets.

;)

The only target you find acceptable for our sub 2500 man alliance to hit is a coalition of 40k dudes made up of numerous actual alliances or the people we've had blue and been friends with for 5 years now.

I don't know if i said all that but do you think Nulli is a "hard target?" I mean they did surprisingly well in 2012 in that little Delve 3 way with you guys and RA before migrating up north to dotbros...

tolvir
April 24 2015, 08:54:34 AM
In the classic FHC shiptoasting tradition can y'all please follow this rule? (http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?18121-Your-Alliance-Must-be-in-Your-Location) Not to mod or anything, but arguments are much more fun for us to watch when we know who is arguing with who.

List of poasters in last 2 pages:

People involved directly in what spawned the current discussion last 2 pages:

tolvir = ?, Lazerhawks (?)


I didnt think I was involved in the Argument above but if the shoe fits. and FYi Tolvir= Tol Vir, Lazerhawks, Line member

LordsServant
April 25 2015, 01:59:25 AM
http://www.twitch.tv/srixun

Massive wh fight happening now.

Seraph IX Basarab
April 25 2015, 02:07:02 AM
Who's evicting who


You're welcome: http://evenews24.com/2015/04/25/livetdsin-vs-lzhx-eviction-fight/

Lucence
April 25 2015, 12:40:29 PM
http://www.twitch.tv/srixun

Massive wh fight happening now.
LZHX eviction of TDSIN (C6-6 no effect (http://wh.pasta.gg/j142528))

Great, missed everything and woke up to ZKB being even more broken than usual because only nerds use dev mirrors as opposed to pushing all patches to production.
Took a quick look through KBs anyway (http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=1002379&b=6475634&e=345&t=H&o=1&r=1) because I can't login right this second to ask around.


Misses a bombers bar fleet podding a tdsin link astarte at a pos (didn't make any difference, judging from timestamps links only went down after the tdsin fleet got wiped)
Also misses a handful of caps
Apparently dropbears accidentally rolled in and took a brick to the face


I'll be sifting through the three hours of twitch footage to link the good shit so bear with me while I brew myself a cup of tea.

Hidden
April 25 2015, 12:45:55 PM
More accurate: http://i.imgur.com/hKMk1xd.jpg - I don't know how to save the changes :\

Lucence
April 25 2015, 02:31:36 PM
More accurate: http://i.imgur.com/hKMk1xd.jpg - I don't know how to save the changes :\

Thanks, I think if you change the BR it should automatically change the share URL at the top of the page too.

Twitch TDSIN point of view:

00:14:54 (http://www.twitch.tv/srixun/b/653148143?t=14m54s) LZHX Gotta keep that hole control (notice ISD ship)
01:19:06 (http://www.twitch.tv/srixun/b/653148143?t=1h19m06s) LZHX Moving off the hole to planet 8 (8-14 LZHX staging ?)
01:20:25 (http://www.twitch.tv/srixun/b/653148143?t=1h20m25s) TDSIN sits their subcap fleet on the static
01:21:21 (http://www.twitch.tv/srixun/b/653148143?t=1h21m21s) Elite guardian pilot burns off the fleet to chase his dreams
01:23:24 (http://www.twitch.tv/srixun/b/653148143?t=1h23m24s) TDSIN warps to VIII
01:26:15 (http://www.twitch.tv/srixun/b/653148143?t=1h26m15s) LZHX fleet setup at 8-17
01:36:54 (http://www.twitch.tv/srixun/b/653148143?t=1h36m54s) LZHX anchoring a small pos at 8-17, Dmitry of ripnarok fame coming back from the dead in twitch chat
01:38:23 (http://www.twitch.tv/srixun/b/653148143?t=1h38m23s) LZHX warps off as TDSIN lands on grid
01:40:21 (http://www.twitch.tv/srixun/b/653148143?t=1h40m21s) LZHX shoots an anchored TDSIN small pos at 8-21, it pops a couple minutes (http://www.twitch.tv/srixun/b/653148143?t=1h43m31s) later
01:48:44 (http://www.twitch.tv/srixun/b/653148143?t=1h48m44s) After some tactical local shit talk back and forth, TDSIN fleet warps on LZHX at 8-21, THE FIGHT IS ON
01:49:54 (http://www.twitch.tv/srixun/b/653148143?t=1h49m54s) NPSI bomber fleet decloaks to bomb and torp an isolated LZHX naglfar, but can't break the tank and disengages (only saw scorch bombs go off, apparently focused void bombs are for nerds or something)
01:55:11 (http://www.twitch.tv/srixun/b/653148143?t=1h55m11s) gfgf in local, the TDSIN fleet got vaporized
01:56:10 (http://www.twitch.tv/srixun/b/653148143?t=1h56m10s) Bomber fleet comes back to sprinkle bombs while LZHX loots the field and goes back to camping the static, stream goes offline

LordsServant
April 25 2015, 04:48:43 PM
Disclaimer: I wasn't there, just looking over killmails, saw part of the twitch, was also extremely far from sober during all of the events last night.

Biggest issue I saw was that TDSIN didn't have enough properly fitted caps in the hole, while LZHX did and knew how to support their caps.

In wspace, we haven't gotten to the point where skill is meaningless and numbers trump everything, so actually planning out your fleet is a huge deal.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=28603691

This seems to be a strange amalgamation of several BRs, but gives a rough overview of what each group had.

TDSIN in whatever engagement they dropped caps seems to have lost off the basis of having subpar caps, with several being armor fit and no less than 2 Revelations (people still fly these?) showing up.

In the second fight (the twitch one) they seemed to have dropped subcaps only, against LZHX approximately 7 dreads, which we can only assume were at least decently fit, + supporting subcaps.

Unfortunately, they brought a generic railproteus fleet. Railproteus, while previously decent with respect to their tank numbers and dps, have been nerfed twice over(in ehp and dps), resulting in them unfortunately being relegated to the 2nd tier fleets or "nullsec fodder."

They lack alpha and ehp in the average numbers wspace groups would bring them in. TDSIN showed up fielding 18 of them between the two fights, supported by a very solid guardian wing with token loki support. They don't appear to have killed much, besides some strange HAM/Neut armor legion, and a godawful shitfit neuting legion with no tank (no, seriously: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=28603691).

One can only assume, based on the small sample we have to work with, that the LZHX fleet had a solid mix of neuting legions, webbing lokis, vigilant support, and some token tengus and proteus.

The tengus are always good in nearly any fight, but the proteus, beyond being heavy tackle were just about useless here, same with the legions - the dreads did most of the heavy lifting, which is to be expected. The TDSIN guardians actually seemed to be fit better than the LZHX guardians that died (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=28604006 vs http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=28602160), but despite their seemingly solid guardian numbers and fits (altho not all http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=28604007), you cannot brawl with properly supported dreads without dreads of your own or one of several specific fleet comps (rail proteuses are quite shit here.) The TDSIN fleet also had a noted lack of proper neuting power, something essential when going up against dreads.

Additionally, TDSIN seems to have made the poor choice of primarying Legions, Tengus, and Guardians, rather than the lokis and vigilants which were the actual threat(backed by the dreads). LZHX made the smart choice of spreading out their dreads, so even assuming TDSIN brought a fleet that could favorabley engage capitals without their own capital support, they'd still be vulnerable to non-90% webbed(aka loki) blap dreading.

tl;dr (I gotta go to work) - Capitals 100% made this fight for LZHX, along with bringing the proper support(barring the idiots who showed up in proteus or ham legions, but maybe the proteus were heavy tackle and there was only that one guy in the ham legion, rest were neuts). TDSIN lost the capital fight horribly due to improperly fit dreads (you don't argue about how your rev looks cool or how it's "good for pve," you shut up and get a proper shield dread, or get wiped like this) the wrong dreads (at least LZHX only had 2 moros, TDSIN had several moros AND revelations), then showed up for a subcap fight in a poor comp for the situation vs heavy caps, and lost horribly again as a result of it.

This should be a wakeup call for TDSIN if they want to get their shit sorted, and hopefully learn from the experience.

Muppet
April 25 2015, 09:40:11 PM
at least LZHX only had 2 moros

And one of those was purchased from TDSIN on fire sale.

LordsServant
April 25 2015, 11:07:25 PM
at least LZHX only had 2 moros

And one of those was purchased from TDSIN on fire sale.

lel/10 ;)

I like tdsin, but stuff like that is just :psyduck:

ChaeDoc II
April 26 2015, 12:04:53 AM
The two people who sold their dreads to Lazerhawks burned a bridge they each spent over 2 years 9 months building. :psyduck:
It eludes me. Especially when you consider we could just borrow Lou's credit card to replace them. :obama:

Sandslinger
April 26 2015, 12:42:17 PM
. They don't appear to have killed much, besides some strange HAM/Neut armor legion.

Nothing strange about it, it was 70% of all noho fleets for 2 years and won a Fuckton of fights. What truly amazed me was how completely ignorant of the usage that the majority of people where. I can't count the amount of fights where people accused us of having 18 neut legions and such afterwards loooool.

Guessing lazerhawk has such a shit doctrine that Peter Moonlight decided he would rather stick to his old NoHo Doctrine 8-)

shame on you peter for flying it like a jackass and getting it killed though, remember what you learned now :D:D:D

Hidden
April 26 2015, 12:44:21 PM
So mad...

Michael1995
April 26 2015, 12:47:04 PM
We needed something to swap to to keep with our standard of swapping T3 doctrine every month. ^^

Michael1995
April 27 2015, 02:20:53 AM
https://beta.eve-kill.net/br/1850/

gf ;D

Aliventi
April 27 2015, 02:33:30 AM
https://beta.eve-kill.net/br/1850/

gf ;D
Very impressive. I hope y'all got some fraps you can put up on Youtube in a few days for us to watch.

LeoniaTavira
April 27 2015, 03:46:03 AM
I'll admit, I'm not a wormholer, but what's the point of this fit: https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/46256097/
It looks like it'd be great against a small group of dreads, but why bring it against 200k+ dps?

Michael1995
April 27 2015, 03:56:48 AM
I'll admit, I'm not a wormholer, but what's the point of this fit: https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/46256097/
It looks like it'd be great against a small group of dreads, but why bring it against 200k+ dps?

I have to agree, we did have some dreads with extender rigs, but not enough to make a big enough difference. They dropped 30~ dreads on our 20~. After the dread brawl they had about 10 left on field along with all their carriers. Our subcap fleet toasted what we could hold down.

I'm sure if we're looking to setup another large dread brawl we'll learn from our mistakes. We've only been a corp a little over a year and I believe that was the first time we had managed to get that many dreads together for such an occasion.

ron mexxico
April 27 2015, 04:25:41 AM
do dread v dread mechanics change when you swap corps idgi

Michael1995
April 27 2015, 04:32:47 AM
I can't say many of the people in Lazerhawks have been in large dread brawls, let alone a w-space one.

LeoniaTavira
April 27 2015, 04:33:47 AM
do dread v dread mechanics change when you swap corps idgi

read the whole post





I have to agree, we did have some dreads with extender rigs, but not enough to make a big enough difference. They dropped 30~ dreads on our 20~. After the dread brawl they had about 10 left on field along with all their carriers. Our subcap fleet toasted what we could hold down.

I'm sure if we're looking to setup another large dread brawl we'll learn from our mistakes. We've only been a corp a little over a year and I believe that was the first time we had managed to get that many dreads together for such an occasion.

He's saying they haven't been together for long enough to have had a large dread brawl
Dread v dread mechanics DO change going from small scale (5 or less dreads) to larger
Not that I'd expect you to know that, being from alliances that just mass spammed dreads

Hidden
April 27 2015, 04:36:26 AM
Ron is just angsty and has no other outlet, it's k.

ron mexxico
April 27 2015, 06:22:15 AM
they should have asked hard knocks how to do it right then v0v

LordsServant
April 27 2015, 06:39:37 AM
Ron is just angsty retarded and has no other outlet doesn't know any better, it's k.

FTFY.

That being said, I woulda thought things would've been clear given HK's identical mistake in their invasion of Polaris: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25717167

NoHo made the effort to adapt and run a lot more buffer on their dreads, expecting insane dps from the magnetar bonus and dread #s. HK and assorted pets didn't, and got dumpstered.

LZHX and co got lucky that TDSIN weren't properly supporting their dreads (notice the number of lokis, vigilants, and rapiers noho brought in the other BR), and were generally running a worse quality of dread (lolrevs, armor tanked stuff). If they were, there wouldn't be a subcap fleet left, nor would LZHX have been able to trade dreads nearly as favourably as they did.

Really no excuse to say your members personally haven't done it, there have been plenty of recent examples on this.

Lucence
April 27 2015, 07:53:00 AM
gf

http://i.imgur.com/EbfipaO.png

Hidden
April 27 2015, 11:26:05 AM
they should have asked hard knocks how to do it right then v0v
Hahaha, I was actually going to say something about you being hopelessly in love with HK. You're becoming adorable in that sense.

Ayeson
April 27 2015, 01:05:57 PM
they should have asked hard knocks how to do it right then v0v
Hahaha, I was actually going to say something about you being hopelessly in love with HK. You're becoming adorable in that sense.

Couldn't have picked a better bunch of dudes to be hopelessly in love with IMO :benevolentleader:

ChaeDoc II
April 28 2015, 11:19:40 PM
It’s been a couple of days since the final fight so I’ve taken some time to compile as complete a battle report as I can remember, from the operational commencement to evict TDSIN through to the ceasefire/surrender of QEX, LZHK and HKs (hereafter referred to as ‘Quazerknocks Coalition’) remaining sub cap fleet and lone Naglfar early Monday morning (EVE Time).

This is an unofficial, unsanctioned, and almost certainly incomplete BR from the perspective of a TDSIN scrub with too much spare time. So, from the top...

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It was a mind Spring evening in Bu… In the early hours of Saturday April 18th, the western two-thirds of Quazerknocks Coalition successfully log-off trapped a TDSIN PvE fleet running capital escalations (http://killboard.tdsin.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15272) in our home system. The inflicted losses amounted to 7 dreadnaughts, 2 carriers, a Loki and 39 billion ISKs worth of hurt feelings. The remaining Lokis and salvager escaped with elevated heart rates.

Wounds are licked and lessons ignored, and so the next capital escalation fleet we run faces the same fate (http://killboard.tdsin.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15789). Literally nothing was different. We knew they had a scout in our system, NoobMan basically confirmed it the night before. The escalation fleet was run in the same manner as the previous one and so the same, inevitable outcome was reached. This time the losses are 8 dreadnaughts, 2 carriers, 3 Lokis, 1 lolDaredevil and another 40.7 billion ISK worth of air miles is applied to Lou’s card.

This brings our jackpot to a cool 19 capital ships lost within five days. Welp.

Presumably seeing this as an opportunity to strike against a weakened and demoralised target, Lazerhawks begin the invasion of J1425 (seriously how the fuck have we not named our system yet?! Equestria, that’s its name. Done!) Equestria with 5 dreadnaughts and a supporting sub cap fleet consisting of Guardians, Tech 3s and light irritants. I suspect it would have been 6 dreads had an ‘individual’ stayed logged out (http://i.imgur.com/pfuwRf6.png). Looking at the lack of activity on the dread pilots’ killboards recently who were here in Equestria from the start of the invasion its clear some of them simply logged in to start the invasion rather than jumped in.

At this point we’re spamming our various different OOG services, because having one all-encompassing 'pinging' service and a website is so 2009, for people to log in and help check this Lazerhawks fleet for Livestock (LZHKs, this is why we take an age to form up when you visit). Unfortunately though, despite the dozen or so ways in which we contact each other for important and urgent logins, we struggle for numbers and are forced to wait until our US time zone bros get home from work. Some of whom have already donated 2 capitals to Bob - peace be upon him - within a week.

Bored, the hostile fleet started shooting one of about 8 offline holding sticks, making short work of it (https://zkillboard.com/kill/46194006/) and erecting their own stick.

After about a week we managed to form up a decent fleet of 45 Cap/Sub-cap DPS, Logistics, and support ships, plus two Revelation pilots to provide slightly more DPS than harsh language. Rather than attack their bubbled pentagram of death at the static we went after their anchoring beachhead POS at planet 8, moon who cares?

It didn’t work. We warped to the onlining POS at 0km, one dread bounced half-way to k-space and the others couldn’t kill the small POS in time before we were engaged by the hostile fleet. But we had a bigger problem. We had about 2 minutes left before it came online, and were hoping it hadn’t been passworded already by the Orca we de-cloaked and euthanised after landing. It had.

Having solo killed a Buzzard with my Guardian’s drones I resisted the urge to leave field satisfied with my day’s PvP endeavours and attempted to repair the fleet mates who insisted on shooting “more dangerous” ships. Fine. Whatever.
Soon enough the POS came online, and most of us bowled the fuck out of there.

Unfortunately one of our dreads piloted by NoSoul, 83, of Florida, wasn’t able to warp out and got tackled by “youths” so the rest of the fleet aligned on landing and warped to rescue his renaissance-era ass.
It didn’t go well. We lost over half of our fleet and had 21 of 47 pilots podded out (http://killboard.tdsin.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16071), but both Revelations were removed from the game. So we had that going for us, which was nice.

Stuck out of Equestria and without the pilots to regain hole control we were sort of fucked. Dropbears offered us comfort and shelter and lead us in prayer while a small fleet of them rage-rolled their static to get us a way home. And then Bob - peace be upon him - heard our prayers and spawned one of CCPs abominations greatest ever additions to the game; a motherfucking frigate hole.

Already in Interceptors we burned our way to the chain entrance in Wicked Creek, reshipped and our heroic FCs had devised a cunning and bold plan, probably… or something. We engaged them again in a fleet of sub cap DPS, support and Logistics.

Back in Jita (http://killboard.tdsin.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15789)we further propped up the Int Stab and Ares markets, and made our way back home to Equestria.

On returning, and with numbers dwindling, we were finished for the evening in terms of fleet engagements, and concentrated on hardening up the defences and resistances of the POSes that hadn’t been reinforced - which was most of them - and manning POS defences to harass the enemy dread fleet and drag out the timers. We did manage to kill a stationary Legion (http://killboard.tdsin.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16159) who arrived at a POS with the hostile hole control fleet to help stop our dictor from continuing to harass their dreads with bubbles. We managed to drag out the timers to about 10 hours, perhaps beyond, from first to last.

We also had some derpy times too, like the Loki drifting 100km from his POS (http://killboard.tdsin.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16169). And the Proteus AFK at our main Public POS (http://killboard.tdsin.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16189) as it came out of reinforced. Both those pilots are keen knitters and sometimes it’s difficult to keep their attention on the game while a friend has a scarf or pair of gloves promised to them on a deadline.

We had some fun while both sides awaited timers. The hostile fleet confused us by leaving the wormhole and returning to their POS. They had left this particular static open for some time so we assumed they liked it. This means we didn’t. I think they either had additional support coming from k-space, or had some seeded capitals logged off in the static whom they couldn’t contact right away. Or maybe it was a forever-chain of shit with no k-space and they were comfortable leaving it wide open. Either way we devised a stupidcunning plan (http://i.imgur.com/Xrdgrt3.jpg) to roll it.

We warped a shit-fit Moros to the undefended, unbubbled static wormhole and scrambled a Devotor to a prepared warp-in 3km from their POSes forcefield and in-line with the wormhole. The Moros returned and rolled the hole, but was Sabre bubbled. The Sabre was dealt with while the hostile fleet at the POS dealt with the Devotor (http://killboard.tdsin.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16174). They then warped to the Moros which was “burning” out of the bubble. Bubble down and their fleet began landing points that weren’t doing anything, and as soon as a Loki web landed the Moros moonwalked out, and we all sang war songs and drank blood wine.

Timers expired, POSes exploded, and Dropbears’ fleet still hadn’t rolled into us (not for a lack of trying, those guys were really going at it) so it looked like we would have to make a stand ourselves with the handful of Sniggwaffe and Dropbears pilots that joined us through the frigate hole earlier in the day.

A plan was devised based on how their dreads had been observed killing towers, and it seemed to be a simple one. We would warp all our dreads to one cloaky pilot sitting next to their fleet. Our dreads are scattered throughout the system so we could achieve surprise. At the same time we would warp a Sabre pilot to the defended static wormhole where he would bubble their fleet and delay their entry to the field.

It wasn’t executed flawlessly. The cloaky seemed to need to decloak and burn faster as their dreads killed the pos and would be bugging out pretty soon. This brought some sub caps to the dreads earlier than we wanted but the plan worked out, sorta, and about 15 of the subcaps were kept off field for a little while.

Our 30 or so dreads landed and we began trading dreads at a favourable rate. It became clear quite quickly that we would be successful in eliminating all 20 of the hostile capitals in system (http://killboard.tdsin.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16356), even if it meant their sub caps grinded down all our remaining capitals on field. Several of our capitals escaped.

Despite this victory, by objective if not by ISK efficiency, we still had work to do to hold our system. The hostile sub caps could still maintain hole control if they kept our pilots, who were podded out, from returning through the existing static. We had already sent a prober through, seemingly undetected, to find a k-space and received a key piece of intel regarding a high-sec entry system 12 jumps from Amarr, where we were forming up in Interceptors. We burned that way while our prober found the entrance.

Elsewhere two of the Quazerknocks dread pilots had managed to either reship into, or buy Naglfars in low sec and were working their way to get back into Equestria. Our Interceptor fleet arrived in Aramachi, the entrance system in which a sole Lazerhawks pilot surely relayed the info of our arrival. A hostile Orca was pushed through the static as we burned out Ares’ (intended) through a short chain and into home where we passed the Orca as it slow-boated back to the hole. The Orca jumped, the hole went crit and we got either all, or all but one of our pilots back before one of the two enemy Naglfars that had been observed made its way through and collapsed the hole.

The hostiles had found the new static and were trying to harass some of the reshipping defenders into a mistake, but once we had formed up a small fleet with carrier and dread support it was clear that we could take hole control back at any time.

As we were formulating a plan, Exo comes onto comms and declares victory after receiving a ceasefire offer/agreement from Hidden Fremen who understood that we could take control at any time against their sole Nag + sub caps.
Not a single one of us would stand down though. None of us trusted Hidden, or this deal, and a short while later Exo returned with their Naglfar as a condition of their surrender (edit: paid for, apparently), and as a gesture of good intentions Lazerhawks offered us ~110,000 stront - which was probably mostly ours in the first place.


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In conclusion, it was a great fight and from what i've read on Reddit everyone one there had a lot of fun.

We lost 8 member POSes including our Public POS, and we lost 8 small, offline moon-holding POSes that no one cares about. We saved 34 operational POSes.

All weekend was hellish fun. Even though we were thoroughly embarrassed by the engagements on night one, and morale was among us was crushed, Dropbears were relentless in rolling to get us in until that frigate hole spawned and gave us a chance.
They were relentless all weekend too once QEX had arrived, and I presume Bears were officially invited to assist. That part is speculation on my part. Though I think they’d have tried to come to help us anyway.

My understanding with regards to the supposed ‘batphoning’, and to try and avoid entering ‘shitposting territory’, is that a line member or two were inviting friends of theirs personally without the knowledge of leadership. I don’t quite know how Spectre Fleet ended up getting invited. In terms of opsec that has to be among the most stupid decisions of the weekend. And not only that it should have been obvious that they weren’t ever going to be able to sit somewhere for hours on end and be patient so operationally it wasn’t smart either.

Thanks to Quazerknocks Coalition (I’ll make it stick!) for the great content. If I’ve got any of the details out of order in terms of timeline then I’m sure someone will correct it.

Here’s what the campaign to evict looks like in terms of numbers. I don’t guarantee the accuracy of the ISK figures but the ‘ship class’ numbers should be good. It includes the Quads caps dunks because realistically they were part of the operation to invade. They were blows to soften us up, and they certainly worked. And also Hidden himself says the operation had been planned for 2 weeks (http://i.gyazo.com/f66640b3a8c7622527a1e1a8f568abef.png) so it makes sense.

http://i.imgur.com/VYEE5Qv.png

I’ve probably missed a bunch of details people want to know, but whatever. I never claimed to be good at this. Peace o7


Edit 1 of n: How the shit did I forget this? But at some point after we fought the first time on Friday night two TDSIN members were spotted self-destructing their dreads by LZHKs, and I understand that Lazerhawks offered to buy them. And so the members sold them because of treasons. Internal shit that has nothing to do with me and I won't elaborate on, but suffice to say it's really fucking dumb. :psyduck:

Edit 2: NoSoul isn't really 83 years old. In fact scientists haven't been able to date him using the usual radiocarbon dating method.

Hidden
April 28 2015, 11:37:44 PM
a short while later Exo returned with their Naglfar as a condition of their surrender.
Lol? He bought it for 3.5 bil. It was worth 2.5. Everything else was pretty on the money, though. And you can call it a surrender, but we were just happy with the turnout. Too many people were saying how awesome that was and I didn't wanna put us in for another week of structures, WH control, watching K162s, etc. But, I hope you deliver the same wrath in C5 space as you did that night. We'd probably fall in love you with you.

RedRector
April 29 2015, 09:39:01 AM
I was going to hold off on posting this, but seeing as it got posted on themittani article comments there's little point now. Here's the brawl from my naglfar's POV.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5q4Ru_hUmo

Lex Arson
May 1 2015, 12:02:06 AM
NoHo made the effort to adapt and run a lot more buffer on their dreads, expecting insane dps from the magnetar bonus and dread #s. HK and assorted pets didn't, and got dumpstered.

but but i thought all buffer tanked no-rep dreads were super shitfits and all dreads had to have 80k dps tank to be good???

Alundil
May 1 2015, 01:31:41 AM
NoHo made the effort to adapt and run a lot more buffer on their dreads, expecting insane dps from the magnetar bonus and dread #s. HK and assorted pets didn't, and got dumpstered.

but but i thought all buffer tanked no-rep dreads were super shitfits and all dreads had to have 80k dps tank to be good???

I'm probably missing some significant back story to the 'tone' I detect so vOv


But basically local rep, even insanely good/high local rep, is meaningless in the face of massive alpha like the Magnetar would create. Thus buffer wins (or increases chances of survival if nothing else) in that scenario.

Tappin dat talk

LeoniaTavira
May 1 2015, 02:03:34 AM
NoHo made the effort to adapt and run a lot more buffer on their dreads, expecting insane dps from the magnetar bonus and dread #s. HK and assorted pets didn't, and got dumpstered.

but but i thought all buffer tanked no-rep dreads were super shitfits and all dreads had to have 80k dps tank to be good???

I'm probably missing some significant back story to the 'tone' I detect so vOv


But basically local rep, even insanely good/high local rep, is meaningless in the face of massive alpha like the Magnetar would create. Thus buffer wins (or increases chances of survival if nothing else) in that scenario.

Tappin dat talk

Lex knows this, but lords often comes into the lowsec, or various nullsec threads, and talks about how shit somebodies dread fit was, and why they should have had an active shield tanked naglfar in a situation where that actually would have sucked. Because apparently the only way to fly a nag is active shield tanked.

Alundil
May 1 2015, 02:05:17 AM
NoHo made the effort to adapt and run a lot more buffer on their dreads, expecting insane dps from the magnetar bonus and dread #s. HK and assorted pets didn't, and got dumpstered.

but but i thought all buffer tanked no-rep dreads were super shitfits and all dreads had to have 80k dps tank to be good???

I'm probably missing some significant back story to the 'tone' I detect so vOv


But basically local rep, even insanely good/high local rep, is meaningless in the face of massive alpha like the Magnetar would create. Thus buffer wins (or increases chances of survival if nothing else) in that scenario.

Tappin dat talk

Lex knows this, but lords often comes into the lowsec, or various nullsec threads, and talks about how shit somebodies dread fit was, and why they should have had an active shield tanked naglfar in a situation where that actually would have sucked. Because apparently the only way to fly a nag is active shield tanked.

;) I figured as much this my disclaimer. Perhaps the info might help someone else that doesn't those things.

Tappin dat talk

LordsServant
May 1 2015, 04:22:31 AM
NoHo made the effort to adapt and run a lot more buffer on their dreads, expecting insane dps from the magnetar bonus and dread #s. HK and assorted pets didn't, and got dumpstered.

but but i thought all buffer tanked no-rep dreads were super shitfits and all dreads had to have 80k dps tank to be good???

I'm probably missing some significant back story to the 'tone' I detect so vOv


But basically local rep, even insanely good/high local rep, is meaningless in the face of massive alpha like the Magnetar would create. Thus buffer wins (or increases chances of survival if nothing else) in that scenario.

Tappin dat talk

Lex knows this, but lords often comes into the lowsec, or various nullsec threads, and talks about how shit somebodies dread fit was, and why they should have had an active shield tanked naglfar in a situation where that actually would have sucked. Because apparently the only way to fly a nag is active shield tanked.

;) I figured as much this my disclaimer. Perhaps the info might help someone else that doesn't those things.

Tappin dat talk

Not to derail, but yes - anyone flying a no rep armor buffer dread of any kind - ESPECIALLY a naglfar - is a fucking moron who should biomass (ingame) irl.

In no situation ever is an armor tanked (much less no rep) nag a good choice.

I can't force anyone to stop flying shitfits - nor do I have to. That stuff corrects itself if it's actually used as all the scrubs flying shitfits tend to get tired of walking funny after every fight.

Lex just has his special brand of ~autism~ and I can't fault him for feeling how he does considering his limited experience, which I suppose isn't really his fault considering the state of the game.

Reppyk
May 1 2015, 11:08:20 AM
I didn't know autism was contagious. I should be careful because it seems to spread fast here.

QuackBot
May 1 2015, 12:00:25 PM
they should have asked hard knocks how to do it right then v0v
I'd rather you put more effort into how to not moderate like a spastic facist, but v0v.

Hidden
May 1 2015, 01:13:32 PM
◘_◘

tighten
May 4 2015, 11:11:15 AM
Looking at Nano ribbions, they seem to be next to worthless atm, which put any ideas of living in a wormhole soonish on the back burner, is it mass farming or just demand? or is there another form of isk making in whs these days?

Hidden
May 4 2015, 12:01:55 PM
The blue books are where the ISK is at in higher class wormholes.

Michael1995
May 4 2015, 04:21:56 PM
I'd have to run some C3s and C4s to tell you, but usually you'll make more from blue books/loot/poo over melted nanoribbons, unless you're running in a C1 or C2.

tolvir
May 13 2015, 11:52:00 AM
http://kb.lazerhawks.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23569

Just happened in Lazerhawks home, Exit went deep on us Taking out the Niddy that has caused WHORE so much trouble. Wasnt in the fight so Can't do a BR but will get someone to do one and get it up on here. GF to Exit though thats only i think the 2nd fight i have seen people properly bring in our home.

Lucence
May 13 2015, 02:37:48 PM
http://kb.lazerhawks.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23569

Just happened in Lazerhawks home, Exit went deep on us Taking out the Niddy that has caused WHORE so much trouble. Wasnt in the fight so Can't do a BR but will get someone to do one and get it up on here. GF to Exit though thats only i think the 2nd fight i have seen people properly bring in our home.

I'd like a BR (michael pls), jumping an armor fleet in lzhx's home sounds like quite the display of "bravery".

LordsServant
May 13 2015, 06:40:53 PM
http://kb.lazerhawks.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23569

Just happened in Lazerhawks home, Exit went deep on us Taking out the Niddy that has caused WHORE so much trouble. Wasnt in the fight so Can't do a BR but will get someone to do one and get it up on here. GF to Exit though thats only i think the 2nd fight i have seen people properly bring in our home.

I'd like a BR (michael pls), jumping an armor fleet in lzhx's home sounds like quite the display of "bravery".

I'm more disappointed with Lazerhawks dropping 4 dreads despite that. (Naglfar x2 = 2, Phoenix = 2, Moros = 0, 4 total dreads).

Also, who the fuck thought it'd be a good idea to run fucking armor bhaalgorns in your own shield hole? Oh wait, it's just Peter Moonlight, losing shitfit things in the worst situations for them is his thing. ;)

I like the bunker fits on the guardians, but Pulsar says no. :P

Hidden
May 13 2015, 06:57:21 PM
TSNK was reported pining to fleet up with Exit, so I think we went in expecting a gangbang and that Bhaalgorn was in the Nid SMA. He hopped in it before it exploded.

Michael1995
May 14 2015, 03:43:35 AM
I'm more disappointed with Lazerhawks dropping 4 dreads despite that. (Naglfar x2 = 2, Phoenix = 2, Moros = 0, 4 total dreads).

Indeed, the extra dreads warping in was my fault. Korsar Ribik was dual boxing triage so I told him to just focus on that, we couldn't really warp him off in the middle of the fight because there was a bubble up for 99% of it.

Weddel landed as we had finished blapping their legions and the remainder of their subs were burning out of the bubbles to warp. Wszyscy landed in a Moros! after I had said no more dreads, but sieged when both Nags started shooting him. \_(ツ)_/

This was probably the largest and most intense fight I've FC'd (8 neut legions in a pulsar still hurt yo) I learnt quite a bit, especially making it clear about capital escalation. It was quite poor form on our side but thankfully for the most part they landed at the end of the fight and whored on kills and made their Naglfars go boom quicker.


Also, who the fuck thought it'd be a good idea to run fucking armor bhaalgorns in your own shield hole? Oh wait, it's just Peter Moonlight, losing shitfit things in the worst situations for them is his thing. ;)


As Hidden said, it was dropped from our suicide triage that actually got them to fight us. The wreck was 0m from our static so he very well could've jumped into it and then out of system, but then he wouldn't have been in the fight. So he decided to use it. It helped quite a bit considering their guardians were parked right on top of him, and triage held him up as best as they could with 500k damage on an armour bhaal in a pulsar.


In other W-Space news it looks like our EU+NA dudes jumped into SSC's home (https://beta.eve-kill.net/br/2659/)and got a fight.

On their extraction to home they found ISO5 (https://beta.eve-kill.net/br/2668/) mucking about with a couple of dudes left in home and dropped the hammer on em. rip

Isogen 5 has been settling (https://beta.eve-kill.net/system/31002248/) into a C5-C5.

And according to our scouts, TDSIN has fully evacced their home. I'm waiting for the POS/POCO KMs to show up so we know their new home. Here's hoping C5-C5 pulsar. :]

ChaeDoc II
May 14 2015, 07:43:56 AM
http://kb.lazerhawks.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23569

Just happened in Lazerhawks home, Exit went deep on us Taking out the Niddy that has caused WHORE so much trouble. Wasnt in the fight so Can't do a BR but will get someone to do one and get it up on here. GF to Exit though thats only i think the 2nd fight i have seen people properly bring in our home.

I'd like a BR (michael pls), jumping an armor fleet in lzhx's home sounds like quite the display of "bravery".

I'm more disappointed with Lazerhawks dropping 4 dreads despite that. (Naglfar x2 = 2, Phoenix = 2, Moros = 0, 4 total dreads).

Also, who the fuck thought it'd be a good idea to run fucking armor bhaalgorns in your own shield hole? Oh wait, it's just Peter Moonlight, losing shitfit things in the worst situations for them is his thing. ;)

I like the bunker fits on the guardians, but Pulsar says no. :P


Heh.

LordsServant
May 14 2015, 08:20:15 AM
Wszyscy landed in a Moros! after I had said no more dread

Well, fair game there. Moros isn't a dread. You gotta say "no more capitals."

That won't stop Revelations from warping in, but noone really cares about silly oversized harbingers anyways. ;)

Hidden
May 14 2015, 10:24:03 AM
TDSIN is in a C5/5 Vanilla :)

Lucence
May 14 2015, 12:16:49 PM
And according to our scouts, TDSIN has fully evacced their home. I'm waiting for the POS/POCO KMs to show up so we know their new home. Here's hoping C5-C5 pulsar. :]

They must have been spooked by Loci Monsta's TLC PvP juggernaut. Speaking of which, Pandora Sphere seems to have merged into MTCU.

Lucence
May 17 2015, 11:11:20 PM
Going to leave this here since I'm told it isn't NDA anymore, you can peruse evewho history for details:

http://i.imgur.com/iWGlyls.png
http://i.imgur.com/rwJCjwT.png
http://i.imgur.com/e8IPVVe.png

Putting some bulk ?

Alundil
May 19 2015, 07:28:46 AM
Going to leave this here since I'm told it isn't NDA anymore, you can peruse evewho history for details:



Putting some bulk ?

It's only water weight bb

Alundil
May 29 2015, 11:45:22 PM
Expect massive br over the next couple days

QEX being evicted by a large coalition of EU corps. Last I heard there was a massive (by wspace standards) fleet of over 220 pilots on the attacker's side. Heard that all pos were reinforced in about 2 hours.

Tappin dat talk

LeoniaTavira
May 30 2015, 12:15:48 AM
People go to wormholes and get on their high horses about null blobs
Form blobs of their own bigger than most null fights...

Peachy
May 30 2015, 12:20:28 AM
Question:

Is using bombers with bombs to kill escalated waves of sleepers a legitimate thing?

Alundil
May 30 2015, 01:00:06 AM
Question:

Is using bombers with bombs to kill escalated waves of sleepers a legitimate thing?

Yes. Red giant systems

Tappin dat talk

Alundil
May 30 2015, 01:03:25 AM
People go to wormholes and get on their high horses about null blobs
Form blobs of their own bigger than most null fights...

mfw: Implying that this is even close to the norm in wspace and using it as some kind of indictment. You couldn't be further from the truth. And fights of those numbers happen every few weeks in 00. But derp away. We won't judge.

Tappin dat talk

Peachy
May 30 2015, 01:17:18 AM
Question:

Is using bombers with bombs to kill escalated waves of sleepers a legitimate thing?

Yes. Red giant systems

Tappin dat talk

But bombs kill wrecks, no? Unless you're doing it solo or with the perfect numbers of bombers aren't you failing hard?

Alundil
May 30 2015, 01:32:16 AM
Question:

Is using bombers with bombs to kill escalated waves of sleepers a legitimate thing?

Yes. Red giant systems

Tappin dat talk

But bombs kill wrecks, no? Unless you're doing it solo or with the perfect numbers of bombers aren't you failing hard?

I've never done it myself. Merely heard it has been done in high class red giants.

vOv

Isogen 5 doesn't cap escalate (or any other corp farming for that matter).

Tappin dat talk

Peachy
May 30 2015, 01:38:07 AM
Question:

Is using bombers with bombs to kill escalated waves of sleepers a legitimate thing?

Yes. Red giant systems

Tappin dat talk

But bombs kill wrecks, no? Unless you're doing it solo or with the perfect numbers of bombers aren't you failing hard?

I've never done it myself. Merely heard it has been done in high class red giants.

vOv

Isogen 5 doesn't cap escalate (or any other corp farming for that matter).

Tappin dat talk

Why don't you escalate? Not judging, just curious.

Alundil
May 30 2015, 01:46:17 AM
Question:

Is using bombers with bombs to kill escalated waves of sleepers a legitimate thing?

Yes. Red giant systems

Tappin dat talk

But bombs kill wrecks, no? Unless you're doing it solo or with the perfect numbers of bombers aren't you failing hard?

I've never done it myself. Merely heard it has been done in high class red giants.

vOv

Isogen 5 doesn't cap escalate (or any other corp farming for that matter).

Tappin dat talk

Why don't you escalate? Not judging, just curious.

Corp decision that everyone needs to be self sufficient isk wise. Mainly because cap escalations (in our experience) tend to
a) get in the way of PvP
b) get in the way of finding PvP
c) cause more drama in the corp than they are worth for a limited number of corp members
d) some combination of all three

Tappin dat talk

Aliventi
May 30 2015, 02:01:43 AM
People go to wormholes and get on their high horses about null blobs
Form blobs of their own bigger than most null fights...

mfw: Implying that this is even close to the norm in wspace and using it as some kind of indictment. You couldn't be further from the truth. And fights of those numbers happen every few weeks in 00. But derp away. We won't judge.
Just wait until CCP gives them stations...

Alundil
May 30 2015, 02:11:11 AM
People go to wormholes and get on their high horses about null blobs
Form blobs of their own bigger than most null fights...

mfw: Implying that this is even close to the norm in wspace and using it as some kind of indictment. You couldn't be further from the truth. And fights of those numbers happen every few weeks in 00. But derp away. We won't judge.
Just wait until CCP gives them stations...

Ugh the whole "let's build a bunch of structures with functionality geared directly to null and then just apply them everywhere" mentality has me pretty worried about wspace tbh. The use cases that apply in a sov warfare arena will be, I think, well served by them. However I can't say the same about how these will be a benefit in wspace or low/high sec for that matter.

But I'm along for the ride as much as anyone else is at this point, concerns and all.

Tappin dat talk

Longdrinks
May 30 2015, 06:00:43 AM
Question:

Is using bombers with bombs to kill escalated waves of sleepers a legitimate thing?

Yes. Red giant systems

Tappin dat talk

But bombs kill wrecks, no? Unless you're doing it solo or with the perfect numbers of bombers aren't you failing hard?

isbox bombing launches bombs on same tick perfectly so all explode at the same time and before the wrecks spawn.

LeoniaTavira
May 30 2015, 11:13:32 AM
isbox bombing
isn't that banable?

Alundil
May 30 2015, 02:57:08 PM
isbox bombing
isn't that banable?

Never used it, but if understand things correctly simply using isboxer is not bannable. However using some of the features that made isboxer so popular (and also what makes what longdrinks said possible) was the input broadcasting. THAT is bannable now. So perhaps bombing sleepers isn't effective any longer due to that change.

Tappin dat talk

Alundil
May 30 2015, 02:59:06 PM
Question:

Is using bombers with bombs to kill escalated waves of sleepers a legitimate thing?

Yes. Red giant systems

Tappin dat talk

But bombs kill wrecks, no? Unless you're doing it solo or with the perfect numbers of bombers aren't you failing hard?

I've never done it myself. Merely heard it has been done in high class red giants.

vOv

Isogen 5 doesn't cap escalate (or any other corp farming for that matter).

Tappin dat talk

Why don't you escalate? Not judging, just curious.

Also, this is another risk of capital escalations.

https://beta.eve-kill.net/br/3316/

Tappin dat talk

Lucence
May 30 2015, 03:00:08 PM
isbox bombing
isn't that banable?

Never used it, but if understand things correctly simply using isboxer is not bannable. However using some of the features that made isboxer so popular (and also what makes what longdrinks said possible) was the input broadcasting. THAT is bannable now. So perhaps bombing sleepers isn't effective any longer due to that change.

Tappin dat talk

I wasn't even aware AoE damage could damage wrecks. I just assumed bombs were like smartbombs.

Alundil
May 30 2015, 03:07:40 PM
isbox bombing
isn't that banable?

Never used it, but if understand things correctly simply using isboxer is not bannable. However using some of the features that made isboxer so popular (and also what makes what longdrinks said possible) was the input broadcasting. THAT is bannable now. So perhaps bombing sleepers isn't effective any longer due to that change.

Tappin dat talk

I wasn't even aware AoE damage could damage wrecks. I just assumed bombs were like smartbombs.

Yeah that's been the case since I can remember. It's a pretty common thing to do to piss people off after a welp. Bomb the wrecks for ultimate annoyance.

Tappin dat talk

Longdrinks
May 30 2015, 04:32:04 PM
isbox bombing
isn't that banable?

Never used it, but if understand things correctly simply using isboxer is not bannable. However using some of the features that made isboxer so popular (and also what makes what longdrinks said possible) was the input broadcasting. THAT is bannable now. So perhaps bombing sleepers isn't effective any longer due to that change.

Tappin dat talk

P much, if you see someone doing 7 man bombing runs with wrecks left behind you have a pretty good case for reporting them to the gestapo.

ron mexxico
May 31 2015, 08:45:14 AM
isbox bombing
isn't that banable?

Never used it, but if understand things correctly simply using isboxer is not bannable. However using some of the features that made isboxer so popular (and also what makes what longdrinks said possible) was the input broadcasting. THAT is bannable now. So perhaps bombing sleepers isn't effective any longer due to that change.

Tappin dat talk

I wasn't even aware AoE damage could damage wrecks. I just assumed bombs were like smartbombs.

that's why they're called smartbombs jeeeeeez

Michael1995
May 31 2015, 12:48:55 PM
The UCC (United Crab Coalition) invaded Polaris, occupied by Quantum Explosion (QEX).

29/May

19:00~
UCC (http://i.imgur.com/JXawB16.png) enters and takes control of the system and starts RFing towers.
Spends two hours bashing (http://i.imgur.com/iC7uIod.png) the five towers.

30/May

08:00~
UCC posts some form of thread (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=427124) to the WH subforum on EVE-O. Possible allusion to HK or LZHX getting invaded next.
Keyboard warriors lose their minds.

17:00~

QEX warps a fleet to the static and brawls with UCC for control of the static. C6 Mag Arty Lokis > Ishtars. (https://beta.eve-kill.net/br/3357/)

QEX wins the engagement and LZHX+HK start burning for an entrance.


18:00~
Reinforcements arrive and clean up anything that is catchable (https://beta.eve-kill.net/br/3360/).

Hostile towers are RF'd.

31/May

09:00~

UCC mass logins and tries for hole control. Blapfest (https://beta.eve-kill.net/br/3359/) ensues.

As of this writing the UCC has lost the majority of their fleet. And are self destructing the remnants or just suiciding into the defense fleet.
QEX towers are still to come out, along with UCC towers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW88TbxNntA

LordsServant
June 3 2015, 12:03:22 AM
This is the AAR for the great fight we just had with Lazerhawks in our home hole of J124046, Vanilla Effect c5/c5.

So I was mostly durdling around waiting for my JC timer to wind down on boge (drunkenly JCed into my nomad set last night to build a bumping anti-bumping mach), while wondering if I should go jew or play some fallout (GET HYPE FOR FALLOUT 4 BITCHES).

Someone on comms spoke up with "proteus has me tackled on static." I immediately went to my only possible train of thought(really, are there any others?), and promptly jumped into one of my Phoenix, while logging in a second one to back it up. Unfortunately, boge was still on JC timer in hisec, or I would've gone for a 3rd. ;)

Shortly after, they said "bhaalgorn as well," which made me remove my mouse from hovering over the "warp to static" button on the first Phoenix, and ask "who is it?"

"Lazerhawks," came the reply. I immediately got even MOAR hyped than I already was and, being upset after the blueball Lazerhawks gave me the last time they rolled into us, immediately started forming us up into our heavy armor comp (which needs some finalizing on fittings), Anvil.

After asking for someone else to ping, I realized I could ping everyone myself:

(5:02:04 PM) lords_servant******: **Broadcast** PVP LAZERHAWKS IN HOME *THIS IS NOT A DRILL* PVP PVP FORMUP MAX ANVIL

The lazerhawks Bhaalgorn, a certain "Peter Moonlight" spoke up in local with:

[21:02:54] Peter Moonlight > fight on neutral ground lords?
[21:02:59] Peter Moonlight > we have few

I had a good laugh at that, because who actually expects LZHX, HKNX, or SSC to EVER have "only a few?"

My response:
[21:03:38] Servant's Lord > #WHCFC

We spent a few more minutes forming up, and trying to get folks into a sizeable comp.

Unfortunately, it being a Tuesday, and us being heavy USTZ with good, hardworking employed folks, we didn't get a massive blob, so our numbers were slightly limited, worrying me with the typically loltastic numbers lazerhawks can usually bring (occasional batphone notwithstanding).

Despite boge's JC timer being only 45m or so, I burned him thru hisec 12j or so to get him through an alternative kspace into our home system, and swapped him into my spare triage archon, since blobbing LZHX with dreads didn't seem very sporting (I had another guy bring a phoenix for the 3rd phoenix. I figured 3 phoenix, 1 triage was sporting, rather than going full retard on the phoenix - someone asked to bring a moros, I said hell no; it'd be p useless).

With a workable comp, we warped to the static and landed in a bubble ~130km off. I thought we had pings setup, but for whatever reason they hadn't loaded for me.

Luckily, there was this weird sabre wreck 400km above the hole, so I asked fleet to align up to it.

Wait, that's no wreck - that's an actual sabre! (GG ccp, new icons so amazing and workingasintended amirite?)

While trying to figure out why the pings hadn't loaded, lazerhawks pinged up to 400km away, and we waited for them to come at us patiently. During this time, they jumped in a ton more (neut?) legions, guardians, and others.

So much for the "low numbers," but that was obviously unbelievable to begin with. ;)

After sufficiently grouping their blob up, and me wondering if they were even coming, I started to align to our tactical that had finally loaded for us. Right before we were about to warp, they began warping all their stuff in.

For his dishonesty about their numbers, and to keep up the proud tradition of Peter Moonlight whelping various expensive ships in every fight, he was the first primary. ;)

Despite our single loki for webs/paints, superior independant Phoenix don't need no webs or subcap tackle to still be super stronk. He died in 2 volleys.

Their next bhaalgorn was the primary, also dying very rapidly.

During this time, they escalated, also as expected, with 2 naglfars (honestly we expected 3, but maybe they couldn't pull em, or lacked the mass?). From the second they landed, they had primaried and neuted out my triage archon, which didn't even bother going into triage.

Next up was their damnation, in order to make everything else squishier and to knock off any pesky skirmish links. For whatever reason, he pretty much instapopped, with my 3rd Phoenix not even getting onto the mail. He was laughably undertanked looking at the mail, so not really a huge surprise I suppose.

We started chewing through their pile of neut Legions, hoping to outrace the neuts. Unfortunately, after killing the archon, the neuts on field were plenty to cap out my first Phoenix, after which we weren't able to break much of their stuff due to loss of alpha and paints.

We extracted most of our subcaps, losing only the caps with myself personally losing the bulk of the isk, 2x Phoenix and 1x Archon. Luckily I was insured all the way around, so that means the losses don't count right? )))

GF Lazerhawks, props for bringing it, and nice job with the neuts.

BR: https://zkillboard.com/br/40635/

Twitch from my POV (2x Phoenix, 1x Archon, Not shown): http://www.twitch.tv/lords_serv/v/5742072

FC Notes/Report:

We lost that fight for only 1 reason - we didn't blap their neuts fast enough.

The Naglfars didn't do anything for them but speed up the time we spent sitting around, if we had dealt with their neuts they would've been free expensive kills tbh.

I opted to bring 1x Torp, 1x Cruise Phoenix. I honestly think I would've been better off taking a 2nd cruise Phoenix - woulda been better for hitting their subcaps; Naglfars have shitty tank and dps compared to Phoenix, and you aren't breaking dreads through dps alone, just neuts tbh.

Speaking of neuts, we had rather low numbers, and neuts are more for late-fight stuff tbh. When you can assemble 30+ people, you can rely on winning a war of attrition; we needed to be better at trading which is what Phoenix are king of. I should've emphasized more on lokis/ecmgus, rather than our own neuts. We would have won the fight with more ecmgus or application lokis tbh - our Phoenixes were taking much more than 1 volley to kill their rather lightly tanked t3s (guys, 100mn ABs dont do shit, they never have, never will, that was just a NoHo pipedream - I was raping 100mn ab t3s even with my naglfar without issue).

If we had more application Lokis, we probably woulda been 1 volleying their t3s (rather than actually having to target swap/take multiple shots at them), which woulda knocked off the neuting before they got the chance to cap everything out. With their neuts gone, the pathetic subcap dps and lolnaglfar dps woulda been easily tankable, and we could've reshipped to neuts at our leisure and knocked off their naglfars without issue.

With more ecmgus, we could've shut down their neuts harder, resulting in much the same as above, as without the hilarious neuting pressure, we would've easily wiped the floor with their fleet.

Alternatively, with 3 cruise phoenix, rather than 2x torp and 1x cruise, we might've had the same result of blapping their subcaps much quicker.

Hindsight is 20/20 ofc, and I'm quite certain we'll get plenty of fights to test this. ;)

Once again, GF, and props to lazerhawks for always bringing the GF!

Smarnca
June 3 2015, 12:23:45 AM
I must admit that FCing while being a triage and 2x dread looks kinda bad?

Also nice account name

Lex Arson
June 3 2015, 12:27:55 AM
autism gives you superpowers

Hidden
June 3 2015, 12:38:52 AM
It wasn't until this AAR that I finally succumbed to the belief of your famed disillusion.




I immediately got even MOAR hyped than I already was and, being upset after the blueball Lazerhawks gave me the last time they rolled into us, immediately started forming us up into our heavy armor comp (which needs some finalizing on fittings), Anvil.

Laughable. We never blueballed you, dude. Good Lordy with his shit don't stank. Asked in local for a fight; no response. Good Lordy pipes up after we're gone. Lol.


For his dishonesty about their numbers, and to keep up the proud tradition of Peter Moonlight whelping various expensive ships in every fight, he was the first primary.


Lol, what? Haha, what? Even after you quoted Peter saying, "fight on neutral ground lords? we have few"? You give WH0RE a bad name. Good fight, otherwise. They gave us GFs before you arrived :P

LordsServant
June 3 2015, 12:50:16 AM
It wasn't until this AAR that I finally succumbed to the belief of your famed disillusion.




I immediately got even MOAR hyped than I already was and, being upset after the blueball Lazerhawks gave me the last time they rolled into us, immediately started forming us up into our heavy armor comp (which needs some finalizing on fittings), Anvil.

Laughable. We never blueballed you, dude. Good Lordy with his shit don't stank. Asked in local for a fight; no response. Good Lordy pipes up after we're gone. Lol.


For his dishonesty about their numbers, and to keep up the proud tradition of Peter Moonlight whelping various expensive ships in every fight, he was the first primary.


Lol, what? Haha, what? Even after you quoted Peter saying, "fight on neutral ground lords? we have few"? You give WH0RE a bad name. Good fight, otherwise. They gave us GFs before you arrived :P

[SHITPOASTING INTENSIFIES]

No srsly, read your public chat. I'm all for shitpoasting and RPing on fhc, but I'm not sure if you're actually serious here, or just shitpoasting.

Torrent Rage
June 3 2015, 12:54:31 AM
Fairly bummed I missed taking part in WH0RE v LZHX round 4 in the past 2 months. Would still be cool if we could field a few more pilots, but we're working on that almost 24/7. Try talking to Chester whenever he is online and 9 times out of 10 he'll tell you he is busy talking to someone in recruitment.

LordsServant
June 3 2015, 01:22:06 AM
http://i.imgur.com/359A2X3.gif

Silly gif lzhx made of one of my Phoenix. ;)

LordsServant
June 13 2015, 03:43:21 AM
Apparently, while I was out irl (and abt to sleep, work early tmrw) Lazerhawks were up to their usual business.

Per tradition, Peter Moonlight died horribly in a faction ship, and really, do any other details matter? ;)

https://zkillboard.com/kill/47216796/

(That gila fit is awful btw).

Will post more when I get more info.

Michael1995
June 13 2015, 04:49:31 AM
Apparently, while I was out irl (and abt to sleep, work early tmrw) Lazerhawks were up to their usual business.

Per tradition, Peter Moonlight died horribly in a faction ship, and really, do any other details matter? ;)

https://zkillboard.com/kill/47216796/

(That gila fit is awful btw).

Will post more when I get more info.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a_vkp9b1Eo

Lady Spank
June 13 2015, 05:23:36 AM
Didn't want that capital anyway.

Hidden
June 13 2015, 12:22:32 PM
Lol

Seraph IX Basarab
June 13 2015, 09:49:29 PM
xaxaxaxaxaxa

LordsServant
June 14 2015, 08:41:09 PM
Sorry, I don't comment on sploits or random stuff unless I'm involved. ;)

Had a number of nice fights so far this weekend.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpKrNtePpW8

I was kinda high AF fcing that (you can hear comms and myself fcing), but did remarkably well and sounded like my usual self until the end where I derp'd hard (I was tripleboxing, and am not amazing that while super high) and didn't notice boge's vulture for w/e reason dropping xversal on the hole and getting dreadblapped until it was too late.

We were obviously dominating the hell out of the fight, and I thought we were being nice by bringing a subcap fight. Obv, Iso5 couldn't handle us and brought caps+blapdread, which we jumped into anyways. I lost us the fight by not being able to properly think (are you feeling it Mr. Crabs? Oh yessssss) and keep xversal up against the dread.

We should've had no problems systematically wrecking their entire fleet, capitals included (it was a pretty awful comp, they had a single loki left on field at the end, along with a handful of w/e shitfit legions) and I'm rather disappointed in their general level of fitting. Their t3s were passable(needed more a-type over faction eanms, and faction damage mods), but their guardians look like obsolete shitfits from 2009, and died like such. Lotus (our heavy subcap fleet flown in this vid) did exactly what I built it to do - run a train on anything subcap. Given my mental state, I probably shouldn't have made the call to reengage on their caps with Lotus. We also shoulda had probably twice the kills; our bubbler is still new and we had a lot of stuff bail (to be fair, this is nothing new, people run from me all the time).

While I was away the next day, we also murderzoned some random null russians who thought that because they outnumbered us and could drop caps, they could 4totes beat us.

https://zkillboard.com/br/41988/

We showed them the error of theirs ways, why ishtars aren't a PVP comp (ishtars are for ganking randoms, then running - you don't actually fight with ishtars vs anything/anyone competent), and destroyed 2 carriers + a couple bil of subcaps. Lucky for them, their coward ishtars did the one thing that comp is good at - running away, so they didn't lose more.

I'm sure there's a few more things I'm missing, and I still have my own footage of the first iso5 fight, so I'll see about getting my own vids out.

As always, WHORE is recruiting, bringing the gfs, and having fun in wspace - join our public chat(it's in corp bio), or talk to a recruiter(not me, but if you convo me, mail me, or sit in my channel, I can probably get you in touch with w/e).

For the masochists and those who hate themselves, the null/losec thread is only a few clicks away. ;)

CC
June 14 2015, 08:58:56 PM
No one gives a fuck how high, drunk or tired you are. Ever.

In a BR thread anyways.

Alundil
June 15 2015, 03:50:38 AM
Lords, I wasn't there but please do try to be less 'sperge-y'. For all intents and purposes, that looked to be a pretty fun fight. Some from your own corp have said as much in pub chats and on Reddit. After all is said and done it was a close fight in terms of pilots involved and isk destroyed on both corps and both sides of the hole.

I realize that sperge is kind of your shtick but..... man 2015 and 'second decade' and all, might be a good time to do it a little different. Might keep you in pvp corp not entirely made up of alts.


And a quick note on the ever-present 'I was leet triple-dipple-dankity-do multiboxing' etcetera etcetera ad nauseum..... It's wspace AND 2015 man..... everyone and their mom is multiboxing including several in ISO in that fight. No one is out there giving themselves tennis elbow from patting themselves on the back too hard. Ease up just a smidge. No shame in working out the modesty muscle from time to time.

Tappin dat talk

QuackBot
June 15 2015, 08:00:19 AM
Apparently, while I was out irl (and abt to sleep, work early tmrw) Lazerhawks were up to their usual business.

Per tradition, Peter Moonlight died horribly in a faction ship, and really, do any other details matter? ;)

https://zkillboard.com/kill/47216796/

(That gila fit is awful btw).

Will post more when I get more info.
Get some food (especially actual water) and sleep.

tolvir
July 27 2015, 02:14:42 PM
https://zkillboard.com/related/31002224/201507251500/o/%7B%22A%22%3A%5B%5D%2C%22B%22%3A%5B%2299000767%22% 5D%7D/

Was saturday Afternoon we had just rolled to find a better chain and were scanning out the chain, Static was pretty empty but i recall had some gas and stuff in, Myself and someone else jumped into the statics static and we found SSC, As far as I remember I went home to re-ship incase of a fight while someone poked them in local and asked for a fight.

Over the next 15 mins or so both corps pinged and they seemed to ping harder as our eyes saw 7 Guardians and 2 nestors pretty fast along with decent numbers or t3's and 2 nags. We were pinging it hard to get more than 4 guards

We reshipped several times, from Armour to heavy shield (hoping they would fight in our home as they doubled our number) back to Armour which is eventually where we stayed.

SSC jumped into the static and held on their entrance, while we reshipped again, at this point we knew we were going in as the underdogs and were doing what ever we could to equalize the odds, people were lending bhaals, guardians, vigis and jamgus. We were forming on the static in home, Hidden originally had 2 dreads but he ended up changing ghost for something else and we ended up bringing the 2nd Dread with plan to hold on the static and only jump once they committed dreads.


We jumped our fleet in and held on the hole, SSC originally warp to planet 8 they hold there for a bit and warp back to their hole before actually committing and warping their entire fleet onto our in, as soon as they engage their dreads jump in and warp to us, once they land our Nag jumps in, immediately sieges and we primary the bhaals, both of these go down fairly quickly with Hidden in a blap phoenix, by this point though the neuts are hitting hiddens phoenix hard and we start shooting the Nag of Steven Hacket, Hidden drops not long after the 2 bhaals had go down, leaving just the Nag to try and heat to take down steven but he drops low but eventually coasts out of siege and starts taking reps, this is not before all the neuts have switched to the nag which goes dry and pops.

With both dreads down and a much weaker fleet at this point we align out to the c4 in the static and leave as the nag collapsed the hole when it jumped into the fight, We all go out the highsec to lick our wounds and wait for an entrance back into home, which didn't take long as we very quickly discover a HS entrance to out chain directly in Dixie through a frig hole that's 6 jumps away.

SSC did bring a good fight, unfortunately we didnt have the numbers and comp to rival them, We might have been able to get the dread down If our nag pilot had remembered his blue pill earlier as he might have survived longer etc. We learn and fight another day

Sandslinger
August 4 2015, 06:51:41 PM
Not a single post from September to July. Is wormhole space really that dead.

Looking at the comp's of the fight above several of the fittings seems to have regressed back to the time when wh was new and people didn't really understand how to use the ships, especially the bhaals.

Are there any entities left in wormhole space that are actively pushing the envelope with doctrines or is it really as stale as it looks from the forums ?

Looking at the KB of the entities I knew back when I was active it just looks dead. Are there perhaps some new entities I don't know about ?

Looking for a reason to get back into the game, but struggling to find it in in WH at least.

Alundil
August 4 2015, 08:17:54 PM
Not a single post from September to July. Is wormhole space really that dead.

Looking at the comp's of the fight above several of the fittings seems to have regressed back to the time when wh was new and people didn't really understand how to use the ships, especially the bhaals.

Are there any entities left in wormhole space that are actively pushing the envelope with doctrines or is it really as stale as it looks from the forums ?

Looking at the KB of the entities I knew back when I was active it just looks dead. Are there perhaps some new entities I don't know about ?

Looking for a reason to get back into the game, but struggling to find it in in WH at least.
Not sure when you were last active in wspace.

It's more quiet. Just like the rest of EVE. Ganks still happen plenty. There are more farmers then ever before in high class space and rental agreements on some cases to boot. There aren't as many straight up fights between pvp groups as there might have been in the past.

A lot of 'reasons' for that which I won't go into. Suffice to say 'if wspace is what you like them come on'. There are still fights. They just take more work to find. Additionally, there are a few very large groups and so fighting them is a real challenge due to numbers.

As for doctrines. I find less reliance on the stereotypical armor t3 comps than in the past. Shield fleets can actually find use outside of pulsar holes. Frig and t3 dessie and hic comps in the new shattered systems.

Shield bhaals can be a thing.
As are shield archons.
Phoenixes aren't bad anymore.
Nags are preferred (usually) dread dps followed by shield moros.
Revs are still bad.
Suicide triage nid, best nid.
Chimera situationally.
Lol thanatos.


Hopefully CCP does something to address capital escalations. Perhaps continues to 'iterate' on Sleeper/Jove lore which in turn equates to something more than T3 hulls and subsystems that come out of wspace.
Fozziesov, whole not directly impacting wspace, will see major changes to structures in wspace. POS will eventually be replaced by citadels. And while the community seems intrigued/excited for these overall, wspace is taking a very 'wait and see approach'.

Not sure what else you're interested in knowing. Hope that helps.

tappin dat talk

ChaeDoc II
August 13 2015, 03:27:45 AM
Not a single post from September to July. Is wormhole space really that dead.



Dates are hard.

LordsServant
August 13 2015, 04:43:18 AM
I went out a WH into eve-uni syndicate today.

Then I dieded horribly wondering how a firetail and orthrus could keep up with me.

The answer: I forgot to swap from sniper --> speed mode upon landing to tackle the firetail.

-1/10.

:action:

Lucence
August 13 2015, 05:08:30 AM
I went out a WH into eve-uni syndicate today.

Then I dieded horribly wondering how a firetail and orthrus could keep up with me.

The answer: I forgot to swap from sniper --> speed mode upon landing to tackle the firetail.

-1/10.

:action:

I don't see purple on these Hecates, where did the OP budget go ?

And whose idea were the RR LASB Vagabonds? I promise I won't tell anyone.

LordsServant
August 13 2015, 06:11:14 PM
I went out a WH into eve-uni syndicate today.

Then I dieded horribly wondering how a firetail and orthrus could keep up with me.

The answer: I forgot to swap from sniper --> speed mode upon landing to tackle the firetail.

-1/10.

:action:

I don't see purple on these Hecates, where did the OP budget go ?


Until I'm 100% sure the rust is off, I won't be purpling anything. Losing a hecate to a firetail (lol) because i forgot to put speed mode on is laughably awful. :P

Budget is there to be spent, not thrown away. ;)

Sandslinger
August 14 2015, 03:19:11 PM
Not a single post from September to July. Is wormhole space really that dead.



Dates are hard.

As hard as posting constructively perhaps ?

indeed I was wrong, I was looking at join date not post date on the first post.

My Point still holds Br's are short in supply and the few I see are littered with terrible fittings, with seemingly no one trying anything new.

Like Arundil says all those things he lists could perhaps be a thing, it just doesn't look like there are anyone trying out anything new to me instead the meta is regressing. Am I wrong ?

That is what I am asking, are there anyone actively pushing the meta at all anymore ?

jonesbones
August 14 2015, 07:59:30 PM
That is what I am asking, are there anyone actively pushing the meta at all anymore ?

What the fuck does this even mean? If the underlying stats for the ships haven't changed than why the fuck would the meta change?

Daneel Trevize
August 14 2015, 10:35:08 PM
Because it takes time for playerbase awareness (and sometimes for Eve, SP training). Even if there's just rock-paper-scissors, and previously few had become aware of paper while most were still rock, it could have moved on to where most now go paper, and some are discovering scissors.

If e.g. a particular dread benefitted from some changes a while ago and could suddenly blap through almost every worthwhile subcap fleet, it could still be that very few could immediately take advantage of it, and it'd take time for everyone to train into it, and then to stop flying subcaps that were vulnerable to it, and adjust to something that out-ranges/out-tanks/dps-races it. Bittervets asking said question could have been those able to immediately shift to the future status quo, and be bored of the lack of challenge, and go wait for everyone to catch up and hopefully surpass it.

Sandslinger
August 15 2015, 01:22:48 AM
That is what I am asking, are there anyone actively pushing the meta at all anymore ?

What the fuck does this even mean? If the underlying stats for the ships haven't changed than why the fuck would the meta change?

Because people try out new things and discover new ways of doing things with the existing meta. I understand that in your world you think every usage of every ship has already been tried.

However eve history has proven this to be untrue many many times.Whenever a above average competent crew comes along and starts to experiment , then everyone copies the new guys..
I was goign to extrapolate and give examples of when this has happened previously, but then I realized there is probably little point engaging in further discussion about it with you,

If you don't understand, then you probably never will is my guess =)

As I said previously going by recent killboard stats linked it looks like things has regressed where people are fitting ships in ways that has been proven not too work in given scenario over and over 2 years ago (with no change in the meta). While fits that do work aren't being used.

So my question remains is anyone pushing the meta.

QuackBot
August 15 2015, 06:12:48 AM
Because people try out new things and discover new ways of doing things with the existing meta. I understand that in your world you think every usage of every ship has already been tried.

However eve history has proven this to be untrue many many times.Whenever a above average competent crew comes along and starts to experiment , then everyone copies the new guys..
I was goign to extrapolate and give examples of when this has happened previously, but then I realized there is probably little point engaging in further discussion about it with you,

If you don't understand, then you probably never will is my guess =)

As I said previously going by recent killboard stats linked it looks like things has regressed where people are fitting ships in ways that has been proven not too work in given scenario over and over 2 years ago (with no change in the meta). While fits that do work aren't being used.

So my question remains is anyone pushing the meta.
Everyone in here is a nerd.

Alundil
August 15 2015, 05:22:03 PM
As I said previously going by recent killboard stats linked it looks like things has regressed where people are fitting ships in ways that has been proven not too work in given scenario over and over 2 years ago (with no change in the meta). While fits that do work aren't being used.

So my question remains is anyone pushing the meta.

There's also a decent chance that those groups "pushing the meta" might not be dying much due to a new meta therefore leaving no killboard detritus to sift though. The only possible telltales of this might be completely ignored as "bad fits" until it gets to a point where it roflstomps everything until the meta changes to kill that new dominant meta.

I've seen some interesting (not widespread) uses of r-eccm heavy fits to completely ignore the "jamgus, jamgus everywhere (and EC drones)" that some groups tend to fly with. Those can be super annoying to deal with as an FC if you have said jamgus and therefore aren't able to effectively disrupt their logi or ewar support.

luftreich
August 18 2015, 01:03:13 AM
One of the groups that really sticks out to me as pushing something is Dura Lexx. They've been marauding around WH space with the very few dudes they have and using evictions as a way to get content. They aren't always successful in winning the fights, but they are a very small group of dudes multiboxing all the dreads, carriers, and support ships. Fighting them in their home is almost impossible because they will continually escalate with more dreads and carriers spread out across the field where the dread blap becomes to strong even though they aren't supported by a large subcap fleet. Also dropping mass full SB battleships onto the Dreads the fleet is balled up on means it is near impossible for Logi to keep up with the SB damage (Red Giant + few full SB Nestors is really nasty).

Other than them, 100mn T3s are starting to be more widely utilized by more groups other than just Lazerhawks after taking the idea from NOHO as I'm sure you know Sand. SSC tried to use an Alpha Loki fleet when fighting Lazerhawks in SSC's home (http://kb.lazerhawks.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25115) but wasn't able to kill anything that stayed in Triage range because of the lack of enough Lokis or they just couldn't track the fast moving T3s. Unseen Wolves a Polish C4 Group that assimilated many TSNK members after they died has been fielding massive Bhaalgorn squads in addition to the standard T3 line up to gank a C5 site runner every now and then, but they only catch a few every month and don't really engage in straight up PvP which is a shame because they could be very strong given their numbers and seemingly fat wallets.

Lords Servant started the trend of using Gilas for WH fights with his multiboxing corp Everlasting Vendetta and then carrying it onto WH0RE and has proven to be very strong. Gila drone alpha is very strong, perfect application to Guardians is very nice, and other smaller-medium sized groups have started to follow suit in fielding massive Gila fleets against other WH groups given their low skill requirement and isk investment for newer groups. Other than that is has just been massive HAM Legion blobs supported by few webbing Lokis, Jamgus, a Proteus here and there, and Guardians.

Lucence
August 18 2015, 11:12:07 AM
Lords Servant started the trend of using Gilas for WH fights with his multiboxing corp Everlasting Vendetta and then carrying it onto WH0RE and has proven to be very strong. Gila drone alpha is very strong, perfect application to Guardians is very nice, and other smaller-medium sized groups have started to follow suit in fielding massive Gila fleets against other WH groups given their low skill requirement and isk investment for newer groups.

venio spinning in its grave, confirmed for relevant

luftreich
August 18 2015, 11:27:25 AM
Lords Servant started the trend of using Gilas for WH fights with his multiboxing corp Everlasting Vendetta and then carrying it onto WH0RE and has proven to be very strong. Gila drone alpha is very strong, perfect application to Guardians is very nice, and other smaller-medium sized groups have started to follow suit in fielding massive Gila fleets against other WH groups given their low skill requirement and isk investment for newer groups.

venio spinning in its grave, confirmed for relevant

something something isboxer op ccpls

Lucence
August 18 2015, 12:00:48 PM
Lords Servant started the trend of using Gilas for WH fights with his multiboxing corp Everlasting Vendetta and then carrying it onto WH0RE and has proven to be very strong. Gila drone alpha is very strong, perfect application to Guardians is very nice, and other smaller-medium sized groups have started to follow suit in fielding massive Gila fleets against other WH groups given their low skill requirement and isk investment for newer groups.

venio spinning in its grave, confirmed for relevant

something something isboxer op ccpls

"guys stay calm, we still have fleet warp and regroup we'll be fine"

Daneel Trevize
August 18 2015, 02:12:06 PM
Actually, since when did Regroup exist, and wtf is CCP's given reason(s) for it??

QuackBot
August 18 2015, 04:00:15 PM
One of the groups that really sticks out to me as pushing something is Dura Lexx. They've been marauding around WH space with the very few dudes they have and using evictions as a way to get content. They aren't always successful in winning the fights, but they are a very small group of dudes multiboxing all the dreads, carriers, and support ships. Fighting them in their home is almost impossible because they will continually escalate with more dreads and carriers spread out across the field where the dread blap becomes to strong even though they aren't supported by a large subcap fleet. Also dropping mass full SB battleships onto the Dreads the fleet is balled up on means it is near impossible for Logi to keep up with the SB damage (Red Giant + few full SB Nestors is really nasty).

Other than them, 100mn T3s are starting to be more widely utilized by more groups other than just Lazerhawks after taking the idea from NOHO as I'm sure you know Sand. SSC tried to use an Alpha Loki fleet when fighting Lazerhawks in SSC's home (http://kb.lazerhawks.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25115) but wasn't able to kill anything that stayed in Triage range because of the lack of enough Lokis or they just couldn't track the fast moving T3s. Unseen Wolves a Polish C4 Group that assimilated many TSNK members after they died has been fielding massive Bhaalgorn squads in addition to the standard T3 line up to gank a C5 site runner every now and then, but they only catch a few every month and don't really engage in straight up PvP which is a shame because they could be very strong given their numbers and seemingly fat wallets.

Lords Servant started the trend of using Gilas for WH fights with his multiboxing corp Everlasting Vendetta and then carrying it onto WH0RE and has proven to be very strong. Gila drone alpha is very strong, perfect application to Guardians is very nice, and other smaller-medium sized groups have started to follow suit in fielding massive Gila fleets against other WH groups given their low skill requirement and isk investment for newer groups. Other than that is has just been massive HAM Legion blobs supported by few webbing Lokis, Jamgus, a Proteus here and there, and Guardians.
Mostly that. It was a successful operation.

LordsServant
August 18 2015, 04:14:38 PM
College starts, I move, have no internet for a few days, and I come to find myself still relevant. :smug:

In other news, I've successfully called/invented the meta for nearly everything for a few years now, nonshocker. :P

Sandslinger
August 18 2015, 06:34:47 PM
One of the groups that really sticks out to me as pushing something is Dura Lexx. They've been marauding around WH space with the very few dudes they have and using evictions as a way to get content. They aren't always successful in winning the fights, but they are a very small group of dudes multiboxing all the dreads, carriers, and support ships. Fighting them in their home is almost impossible because they will continually escalate with more dreads and carriers spread out across the field where the dread blap becomes to strong even though they aren't supported by a large subcap fleet. Also dropping mass full SB battleships onto the Dreads the fleet is balled up on means it is near impossible for Logi to keep up with the SB damage (Red Giant + few full SB Nestors is really nasty).

Other than them, 100mn T3s are starting to be more widely utilized by more groups other than just Lazerhawks after taking the idea from NOHO as I'm sure you know Sand. SSC tried to use an Alpha Loki fleet when fighting Lazerhawks in SSC's home (http://kb.lazerhawks.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25115) but wasn't able to kill anything that stayed in Triage range because of the lack of enough Lokis or they just couldn't track the fast moving T3s. Unseen Wolves a Polish C4 Group that assimilated many TSNK members after they died has been fielding massive Bhaalgorn squads in addition to the standard T3 line up to gank a C5 site runner every now and then, but they only catch a few every month and don't really engage in straight up PvP which is a shame because they could be very strong given their numbers and seemingly fat wallets.

Lords Servant started the trend of using Gilas for WH fights with his multiboxing corp Everlasting Vendetta and then carrying it onto WH0RE and has proven to be very strong. Gila drone alpha is very strong, perfect application to Guardians is very nice, and other smaller-medium sized groups have started to follow suit in fielding massive Gila fleets against other WH groups given their low skill requirement and isk investment for newer groups. Other than that is has just been massive HAM Legion blobs supported by few webbing Lokis, Jamgus, a Proteus here and there, and Guardians.

Thank's for nice post. I'll have to check out the Dura Lexx boys sounds interesting. Actually using Smartbombs in fights huh.

Yeah I've noticed that a fair few entities fits are poor people's versions of Noho's fits. Tbh I have been surprised that the NoHo meta didn't become more widely dispersed with NoHo breaking up. I know of at least a few members that went to Laserhawk and tried to teach them. There are a whole bunch of little things that NoHo proved worked that I thought would become part of the Meta but which hasn't... Still seeing passive cheapshit Bhaal's In dread blap situations is one of the things that amazes me the most....

Fun to see SSC trying out new things too =)

LordsServant
August 18 2015, 08:28:56 PM
Bhaal's In dread blap situations

...is the problem tbh.

The meta has evolved, and all you see for competent dreads are Naglfars and Phoenix now. Bhaalgorns are 100% useless and free killmails against Nags and Phoenix, regardless of fittings.

Back when revs and moros were actually useful ships and not paperweights you could at least theoretically bring bhaalgorns in with an active tank x-type fit specifically to tank em/therm or kin/therm and laugh off their pathetic dps until you neuted em dry. Nowadays, Naglfars and Phoenix both use capless weapons, aren't tied down to only 2 damage types, and with the Phoenix can choose entirely any dps they want while 1 shotting literally any subcap in the game through any amount of reps.

Bhaalgorns have absolutely no place in the current capital meta tbh. Best you can do is hope to win a war of attrition with overwhelming numbers of neut legions, IE the last fight I fc'd against lazerhawks.

The smart groups were slowly shifting towards distributed neuts in fleets, similar to the silly 100mn ABing ham/neut legion NoHo started flying in an attempt to counter Disavowed's (namely, myself and Van Steiza's nags) dreadblapping. The problem with those is that the 100mn AB ends up doing nothing but gimping your fit, the dps and application is rather meh, and you end up being unable to do anything unless you're on top of a target.

Enter gilas - they can pack a very nice amount of neuting power, with the ehp nerf they pack the same or greater ehp (and resists) for cheaper or the same cost, better dps, and FAR better application. Unlike Legions, you can also reach out and fuck shit up as an entire group anywhere in a 20-30km sphere very quickly instead of telegraphing your primary 3 weeks in advance with your 30s align time manatees slowly boating into range one by one.

If you're a blob corp/alliance, you can dispense with the neuts and just do what PL et al do - bring a blob of railproteus or artylokis and 1-2 shot everything without issue. Anything else is pretty subpar and a silly holdover from back in the day when wh doctrines were "armor tank t3, lots of shiny, max deepz close range brawl." That stuff doesn't work anymore, and neither do HAM legions tbh - zerging vastly superior numbers >2:1 over your opponents works with anything from drakes to hurricanes.

Peachy
August 18 2015, 09:25:41 PM
In theory wouldn't orbiting a phoenix with smartombing BS be enough to ensure they couldn't apply their damage to anything farther than 5-10km off? Or do missiles have weird spawns?

Daneel Trevize
August 18 2015, 09:47:49 PM
Can you orbit one (they're fat iirc) while reliably reaching & hitting the centre/missile spawn point? If not, can you sit covering the spawn point and reliably cycle smartbombs to kill every volley before 1 kills your stationary ass? If not with 1 BS, with how few at a minimum?

LordsServant
August 18 2015, 09:54:24 PM
In theory wouldn't orbiting a phoenix with smartombing BS be enough to ensure they couldn't apply their damage to anything farther than 5-10km off? Or do missiles have weird spawns?

Yes in theory, but the problem then becomes A) those smartbomb BS will get instapopped by the Phoenix, and B) citadel missiles aren't exactly like subcap missiles (only further exacerbated by the recent or incoming balance pass irt their resist profiles) - the amount of smartbombs required to actually kill a phoenix missile volley is measured in terms of large smartbombs. Firewalls against drakes and shit works because drake missiles (at least previously) can be killed off by only a small smartbomb or two. Almost any fleet can easily run a couple of t3s permarunning several small smartbombs, and the small smartbombs aren't very cap intensive, nor are they a threat to anything except missiles or random light drones in terms of damage.

Besides the capacitor issues of actually being able to permarun such a smartbombing setup, the damage to the surrounding ships would quickly result in large amounts of damage that would need to be repaired by several RR ships.

What you'd end up with is a pile of smartbomb rokhs/baddons, a shitton of guardians and/or triage to constantly keep them capped and repped up, and at that point just bring a regular comp and turn all those smartbombing BS and RR guardians or w/e into something actually useful like neuting ships, dps, etc etc.

If you've got all the spare ships to commit those kind of numbers AND field a full fleet at the same time, you're winning either way just off numbers unless the Phoenix group has similar, at which point we're approaching blob tactics - in which case it becomes the typical boring "all monkeys in fleet press f1" and it doesn't really matter what you bring or how your members fly.

Also, the missiles do some wonky stuff with server ticks atm, especially with them seemingly vanishing (iirc there was some Reddit post on this a little while ago) at various periods during their flight time.

Phoenix are relatively unique right now in that they're very hard to properly counter, and there really isn't much happening. They've already begun warping the meta, and it'll prob be the typical 6-12 months for the rest off eve to catch up, similar to how it happened with naglfars (altho with the level of conflict currently happening there, and considering nullsec still can't even do basic turret blap dreads properly, we might not see the blob groups roll them out until the next proper conflict comes up - it took the Halloween war last year which included b-r for cfc to conform to naglfars for example).

Sandslinger
August 18 2015, 09:57:28 PM
Bhaal's In dread blap situations

...is the problem tbh.

The meta has evolved, and all you see for competent dreads are Naglfars and Phoenix now. Bhaalgorns are 100% useless and free killmails against Nags and Phoenix, regardless of fittings.

Back when revs and moros were actually useful ships and not paperweights you could at least theoretically bring bhaalgorns in with an active tank x-type fit specifically to tank em/therm or kin/therm and laugh off their pathetic dps until you neuted em dry. Nowadays, Naglfars and Phoenix both use capless weapons, aren't tied down to only 2 damage types, and with the Phoenix can choose entirely any dps they want while 1 shotting literally any subcap in the game through any amount of reps.

Bhaalgorns have absolutely no place in the current capital meta tbh. Best you can do is hope to win a war of attrition with overwhelming numbers of neut legions, IE the last fight I fc'd against lazerhawks.

The smart groups were slowly shifting towards distributed neuts in fleets, similar to the silly 100mn ABing ham/neut legion NoHo started flying in an attempt to counter Disavowed's (namely, myself and Van Steiza's nags) dreadblapping. The problem with those is that the 100mn AB ends up doing nothing but gimping your fit, the dps and application is rather meh, and you end up being unable to do anything unless you're on top of a target.

Enter gilas - they can pack a very nice amount of neuting power, with the ehp nerf they pack the same or greater ehp (and resists) for cheaper or the same cost, better dps, and FAR better application. Unlike Legions, you can also reach out and fuck shit up as an entire group anywhere in a 20-30km sphere very quickly instead of telegraphing your primary 3 weeks in advance with your 30s align time manatees slowly boating into range one by one.

If you're a blob corp/alliance, you can dispense with the neuts and just do what PL et al do - bring a blob of railproteus or artylokis and 1-2 shot everything without issue. Anything else is pretty subpar and a silly holdover from back in the day when wh doctrines were "armor tank t3, lots of shiny, max deepz close range brawl." That stuff doesn't work anymore, and neither do HAM legions tbh - zerging vastly superior numbers >2:1 over your opponents works with anything from drakes to hurricanes.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but we did NOT fly those to attempt to counter disawowed's nags. They were made for Bhaals Deep to counter ALL dreads and setups from multiple entities, which they did. Flown right you can have them smack in the middle of 5/6 dreads and laugh your ass off at their alpha attempts with any amount of loki's on field (Vigilants are dealt with differently). With the blapping everyone and their mother was using this was invaluable, The dps was 5/600 per ship, but when enemy has no cap to tank with, you amazingly don't need that much dps it seems.

As far as bhaals are concerned you said the same thing back when NoHo ripped the ass end out of many a Alliance bhaals deep with them. It wasn't true then and it isn't true now not for all scenarios, For other scenarios sure it's true no doctrine is truly multipurpose.

Consider this.

Lock time for Dreads, The full neut alpha on 6 upwards Bhaals(Hint : your precious Nags are ballless wonders when alphaneuted. Same dread numbers on each side, enough DPS to down Dreads, Same number of subs but one side has enough Bhaals to alphaneut the other side's caps

The Bhall less side now has 2 options

Focus on the Bhaals loosing precious time versus enemy dreads, loosing the DPS race, especially if those Bhaals start to warp off and return to field.
Focus on the Dreads and finding one of their dreads capless(i'e tank less every 18 seconds) also loosing the fight.

It's a limited scenario, but one that wormhole crews find themselves in all the damn time. As to your Gila's they are great for what they do, what they tend to lack though is the ability to force a entity to fight on a hole rather than just to turn around and leave.

Daneel Trevize
August 18 2015, 10:00:09 PM
Also, the missiles do some wonky stuff with server ticks atm, especially with them seemingly vanishing (iirc there was some Reddit post on this a little while ago) at various periods during their flight time.Do you mean this (http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?19929-Missiles-are-broken), to do with fast missiles in the last tick of their flight? Some think it's an explicitly coded 'falloff' chance mechanics, others that it's a manifestation of an Out By One Error in assigning damage calcs to the current tick or the next. Not sure that we found conclusive proof either way, especially with finding that devblog that (gun) damage is outside of Dogma ticks.

Peachy
August 18 2015, 10:43:50 PM
Presumably a smartbombing ships smartbombs would protect it from the missiles aswell if they're timed correctly which isn't too hard to do/figure out if you're watching who the phoenixes have locked? You wouldn't need to damage lock your smartbombs assuming you're only rolling a couple of them which is honestly all you need unless you're going balls to the wall retarded and attempting to smartbomb a fleet to death.

but v0v thats assuming you're only up against phoenixes and hostile subcaps aren't a problemo.

Alundil
August 29 2015, 07:30:04 AM
AAR Request
https://zkillboard.com/br/50870/

RIP fancy red phoenix(s)?

Daneel Trevize
August 29 2015, 09:10:28 AM
But lords sold his chars...

Keckers
August 29 2015, 12:16:51 PM
Why didn't you one shot the bhaalgorns?

luftreich
August 29 2015, 04:34:52 PM
*waits for the Lords BR loaded with smug BS*

Just looking over the kills looks like the Bhaalgorns of Odin's Call/Half Massed had no problems tanking 2 Cruise Phoenix because of the Cata Variable reps they were getting, that and the resist profile of Shield Bhaalgorns is very good. The WH0RE Phoenix looks like a mega-scrub, T1 Siege and Unscripted Sebo with no refits unless he jetcanned them like a coward. IMO If the Phoenix were Torp fit they could have killed the Naglfar fairly quickly before he laid waste to the entire WH0RE fleet, or just brought 2 Naglfars with webs like normal people. "BUT LUFT BHAALGORNS R GONNA KILL DA NAGS PHOENIX #1" It's a Cata Variable, a Semi Naglfar has a cap buffer of 200k, I think you can kill the enemy Naglfar and then blap the Bhaalgorns in that time... This is just what I see from looking at the BR.

In other news, COF has found the power of Gilas (https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/48746836/)as a low-SP ship for their newbros...

Daneel Trevize
August 29 2015, 04:37:54 PM
No seriously, Lords sold his chars (http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?19966-Selling-Spare-Alts-because-Fuck-Plex-Prices-%28and-maybe-CCP-a-bit%29) ~3 weeks ago, no?

edit:
Chars for sale are:

Lord Servant
Lord Servants
Servants Lord
Servant Lord's#apostropheslivesmatter

Ok, not the main 2 LS & SL, or boge.

luftreich
August 29 2015, 04:39:30 PM
Only the low-SP ones that he used mostly for multiboxing back during IS-Boxing Gila fleet days.

LordsServant
August 29 2015, 05:07:40 PM
Here's what really happened.

We had some guys out roaming in losec with some random small skirmish ships (I'm not with them). They decided to come back, and find a different gang upshipped with BCs/logi/t3ds etc etc preventing them from coming into the wh. I log on about this time, and I go scout our guys in my anathema.

This upshipped gang turns out to be odin's call, but they've already returned to their wh (we shared a mutual static). Our guys get home, and I immediately convo one of the Odin's guys, who refers me to King Creator, apparently their fc.

We lose a few guys due to it being bumfuck late, and apparently they've lost a few guys as well, due to thinking we weren't interested when we didn't take the fight in losec. I explain we were in losec skirmish ships, and would like a fair fight.

We form a tiny lotus fleet, consisting of a vulture (me) 4 gilas (1 of which is me), and 3 Basi (our basis ended up being goddamned heroes, every one). We go out our wh into our static, and warp to their wh. Turns out, they thought we were bringing more t3ds, and they had 4 svipuls and 3 scythes.

They bail into their wh, into a POS. We go through, make no attempt to catch them, and wait patiently for them to form up something else. We make friendly chat in local, and I say no worries while we wait for them to reship. We see faction BS and basi start showing up on dscan, and they eventually form 1 sabre, 3 basi, 2 machariels, a tengu and a loki. Despite us being in faction cruisers, we decide we'll stay and oblige them with an honourable fight. They warp in, and we pew back and forth for a bit. We're able to knock their stuff into low shields, but neither side is breaking the other.

We're all having a good time, when suddenly a red gila and basilisk land - promptly followed by an entire fleet comprised of 2x Rattlesnake, a Bhaalgorn, 3 gilas, and 3 basis. Since this new fleet if larger than both our fleet and the Odin's fleet, and considering up to this point Odin and us were having a casual friendly brawl, I ask the Odin guy in our chat if he wants to team up and help shoot the new arrivals (we assumed they were 3rd party). King doesn't respond, and I assume he's just busy or wants to FFA it. We jump back into the cata after we almost lose a basi, and their gang follows.

I madly ping/text, and we start to get some folks. I prep to drop my Phoenix, but forgot that I pulled painters off for hardeners, which prob hurt me quite a bit. Wiith the phoenix dps on field, I figure we can kill their bhaal and start to break what they have. We get a few more numbers as pings go out, but their neuts are hitting us hard. Shortly after my Phoenix lands, we have to break off and regroup on our hole. We get 1 more bhaal and a few more guys, and go back in. We also call a 2nd Phoenix in.

They end up primarying my Phoenix for a while, don't break it. We briefly establish control of the field until the very guy from my convo (king) comes in in a Naglfar, firmly cementing the fact that Odin is firmly on Half Mass's side. That warps in, and manages to break one of our bhaals while our 2nd Phoenix is in warp. 2nd Phoenix comes in, collapsing the hole back home. The hostile gang gets an additional 2 gilas and yet another bhaalgorn, and they're able to break out 2nd bhaal, and start winning the neut war again while our 2nd Phoenix is in warp.

We have to bail right as the 2nd Phoenix lands, and they eventually neut out/kill the Phoenixes. During the fight we were able to put a lot of their ships into armor, and even hull, but not quite able to kill them.

I'd say GF to Odin's Call, but I guess you guys don't do those apparently. Half Mass doing w/e (they don't ever fight us, the only reason they came here was because they outnumbered us >2:1 initially) is to be expected, but I always thought Odin were just another decent WH group.

Guess not, hope you enjoyed your gank.

TL;DR - Odin's Call dishonours a fair/agreed and even fight, batphones known shitlers to blob/gank us, we still fight like heroes for almost 45m despite it being ~2:1 odds against us for the entire fight (final numbers look like 23 v 16 overall, but we didn't have all our guys on field at the same time due to it being 7 vs 17 initially.

Crossposted br from reddit.

No, we didn't even shoot their nag. The nag did nothing for them except blap a bhaalgorn, other than that it was irrelevant as to the outcome of the fight. It was the >2:1 odds for most of the fight that did it for us, and ofc it being 2AM and not expecting someone to pull a straight dishonour ambush like that.

The Phoenix were only on the field together after our fleet had left. It was only 1 Phoenix most of the time, and I got capped out and had to desiege for a lot of it. Just a straight blob/gank against us tbh.

Time to add Odin's call to the list of known shitler WH groups that don't actually do fights.

luftreich
August 29 2015, 05:09:59 PM
http://i.imgur.com/KKHdbjK.png
http://i.imgur.com/uN8Q1py.png

Nothing eh...

But yes the blueing up to kill a small fleet like you had in the beginning is kinda dumb, but it's Half Massed and Odins Call, neither are going to fight solo unless the odds are heavily in their favor

LordsServant
August 29 2015, 10:12:12 PM
Like I said, I didn't expect it from Odins Call.

They're trying to spin it as "hurr durr gilas vs t3ds" like I thought ABfit gilas were somehow magically gonna catch and kill nano svipuls and scythes. Pathetic - at least the CFC don't pretend like they do anything other than blob. These guys can't even admit how fail they are.

Lucence
August 29 2015, 10:58:29 PM
Time to add Odin's call to the list of known shitler WH groups that don't actually do fights.

I probably still have somewhere the logs from when they threatened to add us to their "eviction blacklist" if we didn't fight there and then their "fun" comp of 2 recons per dps ship. And then screamed about "blobbing" and "dishonourable" when we warped as many high alpha ships as they had on grid and driveby alphaed their recons RIGHT IN THE PUSSY.

LordsServant
August 30 2015, 12:07:10 AM
Time to add Odin's call to the list of known shitler WH groups that don't actually do fights.

I probably still have somewhere the logs from when they threatened to add us to their "eviction blacklist" if we didn't fight there and then their "fun" comp of 2 recons per dps ship. And then screamed about "blobbing" and "dishonourable" when we warped as many high alpha ships as they had on grid and driveby alphaed their recons RIGHT IN THE PUSSY.

I'm pretty upset I got hacked/tempbanned and we didn't get to evict them. :(

They've definitely put themselves right back into the "yep, let's get scouts in there" list now. ;)

Lucence
August 30 2015, 12:42:08 AM
Time to add Odin's call to the list of known shitler WH groups that don't actually do fights.

I probably still have somewhere the logs from when they threatened to add us to their "eviction blacklist" if we didn't fight there and then their "fun" comp of 2 recons per dps ship. And then screamed about "blobbing" and "dishonourable" when we warped as many high alpha ships as they had on grid and driveby alphaed their recons RIGHT IN THE PUSSY.

I'm pretty upset I got hacked/tempbanned and we didn't get to evict them. :(

They've definitely put themselves right back into the "yep, let's get scouts in there" list now. ;)

If you're ever serious about it shoot me a PM and I'll see what I can do, I crave content and need to get that bitter taste of unfinished business out of my mouth.

luftreich
September 12 2015, 03:44:36 AM
QEX and Friends take on BAERS and Friends...

Just when I thought this was going to be another boring weekend in wormhole space.

Peachy
September 13 2015, 01:47:09 PM
HK and co didnt want to lose anymore SP to the wormhole menace OSS and decided to go full coward and run solely slippery petes.

whispous
September 13 2015, 05:01:29 PM
Wtb: removal of interdiction nullification

sent from tefpho e

Alundil
September 15 2015, 04:01:07 AM
Nova fight was boring. Massive numbers on the DBA side turned it into a cluster. As much as WHCFC/TOOL (whatever the name is) is taking heat for bringing Petes, it was a smart tactical decision in a C6 Mag.



In other news, an entirely different type of eviction. AAR?
http://i.imgur.com/m5WxMeu.png

luftreich
September 17 2015, 12:23:48 AM
Lord's says he didn't want that corp anyways because Elo joined. Luft leaves day after Elo joins.

Luft = Lords

Alundil
September 17 2015, 12:24:52 AM
Bruh, opsec......


I'm going to tell luft he's lords

tappin dat talk

luftreich
September 17 2015, 12:25:48 AM
Good thing I'm not in HK or I would have just gotten kicked for leaking opsec intel!

Alundil
September 17 2015, 12:44:28 AM
Yeah. Close call. Was touch and go there for a minute.

tappin dat talk

LordsServant
September 17 2015, 04:02:59 PM
Lord's says he didn't want that corp anyways because Elo joined. Luft leaves day after Elo joins.

Luft = Lords

Can't speak for Luft, but I had a nice chat yesterday with :someone: who was somewhat surprised (and disgruntled) that Elo matched my description to a T with his "unorthodox" decisions in a fleet yesterday.

May Bob have mercy on Snuff. :(

whispous
September 17 2015, 04:49:25 PM
Lord's says he didn't want that corp anyways because Elo joined. Luft leaves day after Elo joins.

Luft = Lords

Can't speak for Luft, but I had a nice chat yesterday with :someone: who was somewhat surprised (and disgruntled) that Elo matched my description to a T with his "unorthodox" decisions in a fleet yesterday.

May Bob have mercy on Snuff. :(

You're not "in the know" lords, you are not an important person, and you are not a holder of wisdom, and you don't have "contacts". You are also not a troll, you are just an attention seeking, valueless moron who has less than nothing to offer anyone anywhere.

LordsServant
September 17 2015, 05:59:08 PM
Lord's says he didn't want that corp anyways because Elo joined. Luft leaves day after Elo joins.

Luft = Lords

Can't speak for Luft, but I had a nice chat yesterday with :someone: who was somewhat surprised (and disgruntled) that Elo matched my description to a T with his "unorthodox" decisions in a fleet yesterday.

May Bob have mercy on Snuff. :(

You're not "in the know" lords, you are not an important person, and you are not a holder of wisdom, and you don't have "contacts". You are also not a troll, you are just an attention seeking, valueless moron who has less than nothing to offer anyone anywhere.

The last time someone (grath) called me out and I backed it up, that person got in trouble (well they were slightly upset) even tho I didn't think they would.

Believe whatever you want, I don't care about your opinion m8, it's shit. ;)

Nice negrep.

whispous
September 18 2015, 07:24:05 AM
Another pointless empty post.

sent from tefpho e

QuackBot
September 18 2015, 08:00:11 AM
The last time someone (grath) called me out and I backed it up, that person got in trouble (well they were slightly upset) even tho I didn't think they would.

Believe whatever you want, I don't care about your opinion m8, it's shit. ;)

Nice negrep.
Called you out.

luftreich
September 20 2015, 07:28:30 AM
https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=30553387

Gf Haywire thanks for bringing it. I'll throw up a BR for those who care soon TM.

luftreich
September 20 2015, 09:41:10 PM
Scout sees Gilas in chain, we take a fleet down to kill these Gilas, but by the time we burn 6 wormholes down the chain they have retreated back into their wormhole. Scout finds Low-Class POS Party C2 connected so he scans it out so we throw together 3 Guardians and a couple of armor T3s, while I take a Mach because Peter took my HAM Legion. They already have more people than us as they warp onto the field, but we commit our fleet into their home while 2-3 more people burn 6 jumps from home to come and help. Low-Class suicides a Higgs Raven through the already destab hole to collapse us out from our chain and prevent reinforcements from coming (really a dick move when we were outnumbered) and the fight kicks off with them having 4 Guardians with an E-War wing of 2 Kitsunes, 2 Falcon, 1 Scorpion, and 2 Jamgus to counter our 3 Guardians and small DPS wing. Our Logis are all getting jammed constantly along with our DPS because they ran out of Logi to jam. I'm able to blap a few things like a Kitsune and Falcon at range with the Machariel, but then the rest of the fleet anchors up on my Mach so I can't track them. We hold for 15-20 minutes but aren't able to break anything meaningful (we needed 1 Jamgu RIP) while Low-Class batphones their friends Upholders because they are unable to break our 3 Guardians in combination with their Bhaalgorn and plethora of jam ships. They eventually get 32 people and start breaking our Guardian chain. Our fleet bails and I eject from my Machariel and save my slaves WINNING.

I'd like to say GF, but rolling us out when you outnumbered us, then batphoning was really lame. But hey, it's a 220 Member Corp living in C2 Space. :obama:

Final BR (https://beta.eve-kill.net/related/31000510/201509202000/o/%7B%22A%22%3A%5B%5D%2C%22B%22%3A%5B%2299003294%22% 2C%2299004368%22%5D%7D/)

Also some gold from Robby who was in channel with a Low-Class dude

[20:50:18] Azhu > Hey Robby, can you do me a favor and leave this channel?
[20:51:16] Azhu > Don't like having the people who are going to evict us in my channels if I can help it.
[20:54:13] Azhu > I ask you because you're not a bad guy, but its unfortunate that you're evicting us.

Agrippa Arkaral
September 21 2015, 06:59:23 AM
[20:50:18] Azhu > Hey Robby, can you do me a favor and leave this channel?
[20:51:16] Azhu > Don't like having the people who are going to evict us in my channels if I can help it.
[20:54:13] Azhu > I ask you because you're not a bad guy, but its unfortunate that you're evicting us.

http://eve-search.com/thread/420125-1/page/1

Lucence
September 21 2015, 07:49:05 AM
I'd like to say GF, but rolling us out when you outnumbered us, then batphoning was really lame. But hey, it's a 220 Member Corp living in C2 Space. :obama:

Don't take it personally, afaik they do this all the time. Did it to us too at least.

luftreich
September 24 2015, 03:27:28 AM
Just a quick Wednesday gank. (http://kb.lazerhawks.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=32005)First one organized by yours truly since I've been back in Hawks. Nothing too special or note worthy about it other than their Thanny tanking us for longer than it should have lol. #justpulsarthings