Round Something-or-Other, a Steph-style roles-heavy game | Signups/Discussion

[Steph]

Like it says on the tin, since my Reverse-Mafia is not yet ready for playtesting.

First question: Roles list known, or hidden?

List of players

Cool09
Dark Flare
dpidcoe
duckduck
I Legionnaire
Lana Torrin
LordsServant
Navigator Six
Nicho Void
Nobody_Holme
Oft Lofthus
pratell
Quarantine
Sp4m
Spasm
Tellenta
Toxic
Varcaus
vDJ
LarkinAlpha

[LarkinAlpha]

Like it says on the tin, since my Reverse-Mafia is not yet ready for playtesting.

First question: Roles list known, or hidden?

A Hidden roles list would be interesting, but probably frustrating.

[Toxic]

Im in, and Im voting for known roles list. Wether you list the number of each role is a matter of taste, but at least show the actual roles and their powers :p

[Lana Torrin]

Dont care what we play as im likely to be dead in the first couple of rounds anyway. But yeah im in.

[Cool09]

List the roles that are in the game. Otherwise it's just a clusterfuck with no strategy. (it might be that anyways... but if we know the roles there is at least a chance of figuring shit out)

also IN

[Ort Lofthus]

Also in

[Navigator Six]

In, and I expect I'll die quickly. Also, it would be awesome to have a zombie (witchdoctor?) role where players could come back from the dead. 8-)

[Varcaus]

In. Roles shown

[Toxic]

In, and I expect I'll die quickly. Also, it would be awesome to have a zombie (witchdoctor?) role where players could come back from the dead. 8-)

Could be problematic since a lot of us "spectate" through other players once killed. Ie. if mafia I will reveal my role to a dead player and let him in on the reasoning previously in the game, and my reasoning on my actions going forward.

[Navigator Six]

In, and I expect I'll die quickly. Also, it would be awesome to have a zombie (witchdoctor?) role where players could come back from the dead. 8-)

Could be problematic since a lot of us "spectate" through other players once killed. Ie. if mafia I will reveal my role to a dead player and let him in on the reasoning previously in the game, and my reasoning on my actions going forward.

That's pretty awesome.

[LarkinAlpha]

In, and I expect I'll die quickly. Also, it would be awesome to have a zombie (witchdoctor?) role where players could come back from the dead. 8-)

Could be problematic since a lot of us "spectate" through other players once killed. Ie. if mafia I will reveal my role to a dead player and let him in on the reasoning previously in the game, and my reasoning on my actions going forward.

That's pretty awesome.

Yeah it can be quite fun to talk through things with a dead player in a game like this.

[Steph]

Known roles list it is, then. Here's (http://pastebin.com/2E2vQQHD) the master roles library for perusing and reviewing - I'll generate exactly how many of what we have once we're closer to game start. Which, incidentally, I want to call a tentative Wednesday. Gives us a window to recruit more players by daythread spamming.

[Tellenta]

I'll give this a go wtf why nawt. Yell at me if im being to unposty which is my basic reason for not signing up before.

fone poastin

[Steph]

I'm sure I'll find a reason to yell at you regardless.

[Tellenta]

I'm sure I'll find a reason to yell at you regardless.

Like what you say ever matters.

fone poastin

[spasm]

I'll play.

[Lana Torrin]

I'll play.

[air quotes]play[/air quotes]

[LordsServant]

Can I sign up and get lynched again in the first round or w/e? Maybe I'll even be doctor or someone important again, making it another "you're retarded for lynching me and just fucked yourselves" game. ;)

[Dark Flare]

i'll play so i can lynch lords day1

[Cool09]

i'll play so i can lynch lords day1

Maybe with him playing you will survive until day 2!

[Nicho Void]

OH hai guise. I'm signin up.

[dpidcoe]

i'll play so i can lynch lords day1
x2

[Quarantine]

I'm in.

[Nobody_Holme]

In. Also, based off just having run it with a single hidden role, all hidden roles would be far better than people think it would be, although with all-hidden, you need to use roles from the roles libr... oh wait, look what steph uses.

Also, fair warning, anyone who votes for an active and competent player early in the game is going to be getting my votes and nightkills if I have any. Dont fucking do it.

[Cool09]

Also, fair warning, anyone who votes for an active and competent player early in the game is going to be getting my votes and nightkills if I have any. Dont fucking do it.

I vote for who I think is mafia, active or not.

[duckduck]

I'd like to play.

[Steph]

Daythread advertising: works every time.

Will compile a list of players sometime later. Wednesday start still okay for everyone? As per usual for my games, the first day will be double-length.

[vDJ]

I'm also in if it's still open.

[Lana Torrin]

Fuck I have no idea who gets my round 1 comedy vote now.

Tapaderpin

[Steph]

Quackbot is always an option.

[Nicho Void]

Quackbot is always an option.
Quackbot is the best player here though.

[pratell]

i want in prz

[Navigator Six]

Oh hey, before I forget: can we have double-length days on the weekends?

[QuackBot]

x2
Welp, guess it's time to upgrade everything x2.

[Lana Torrin]

x2
Welp, guess it's time to upgrade everything x2.

Fuck quakers if you do that you will be able to solo us all.

Tapaderpin

[Sp4m]

I'd like to play, although never done any of this RP stuff so I'll take a look at the rules page if there is one.

[Navigator Six]

I'd like to play, although never done any of this RP stuff so I'll take a look at the rules page if there is one.

No RP required unless you want to, just the ability to hide your motivations convincingly.

[Sp4m]

I'd like to play, although never done any of this RP stuff so I'll take a look at the rules page if there is one.

No RP required unless you want to, just the ability to hide your motivations convincingly.

I work in sales.

[Navigator Six]

I'd like to play, although never done any of this RP stuff so I'll take a look at the rules page if there is one.

No RP required unless you want to, just the ability to hide your motivations convincingly.

I work in sales.

Are you good at your job?

[Nobody_Holme]

Given how many votes you got in the previous game while playing as the don, mr nav, does it really matter? :D

[Toxic]

I'd like to play, although never done any of this RP stuff so I'll take a look at the rules page if there is one.

No RP required unless you want to, just the ability to hide your motivations convincingly.

I work in sales.

Are you good at your job?

Can you tell Lana she is pretty without giggling from suppressed laughter?

If so, you will do well.



(and its more than most of us can, its Lana after all!)

[QuackBot]

Given how many votes you got in the previous game while playing as the don, mr nav, does it really matter? :D
Really? Of all the good advice has been given.

[dpidcoe]

I'd like to play, although never done any of this RP stuff so I'll take a look at the rules page if there is one.

No RP required unless you want to, just the ability to hide your motivations convincingly.

I work in sales.

Are you good at your job?

Can you tell Lana she is pretty without giggling from suppressed laughter?

If so, you will do well.



(and its more than most of us can, its Lana after all!)

lana IRL:

http://i.imgur.com/PIMYAnL.jpg

[Steph]

Oh hey, before I forget: can we have double-length days on the weekends?

Great idea.

Also, 3000th poast.

[Lana Torrin]

I'd like to play, although never done any of this RP stuff so I'll take a look at the rules page if there is one.

No RP required unless you want to, just the ability to hide your motivations convincingly.

I work in sales.

Are you good at your job?

Can you tell Lana she is pretty without giggling from suppressed laughter?

If so, you will do well.



(and its more than most of us can, its Lana after all!)

lana IRL:

http://i.imgur.com/PIMYAnL.jpg

Fuck you both. First and second votes right there.

Tapaderpin

[Steph]

Alright m8s, game will begin in, let's call it 20 hours from this post, give or take any time for last-minute roles-shuffling.

Editing firstpost to contain a roster.

[QuackBot]

Given how many votes you got in the previous game while playing as the don, mr nav, does it really matter? :D
Got it in his head that i am right.

[LarkinAlpha]

Oh I didn't say I wanted in did I? Well I do Steph.

[Navigator Six]

I completely forgot that I was going to suggest not having a Mayor -- really don't like the lack of posting that produces. Oh well. :?

[Nobody_Holme]

This really does feel like the mafia have gotten the short end of the stick somewhat.

[Steph]

You're not alone in that, actually. Due to oversight on my part the balance of this round is somewhat off-kilter, and I apologise to the mafia players for this. It's going to be a tougher round than I'd intended for you guys.

With that in mind...I might do...something later on to shake the round up a bit. Normally I never directly interfere in a game in progress, but this is a unique situation.

We'll see what happens.

[Steph]

It's been suggested to me that the mayor be role-swapped to a fourth Mafia member(fifth if you count the witch). This would be pretty painless given the mayor has not revealed yet.

Alternatively, or in addition, it has also been suggested that the Witch and the Mafia be put in contact rather than having to hunt for one another.

Thoughts on these two suggestions?

[LarkinAlpha]

It's been suggested to me that the mayor be role-swapped to a fourth Mafia member(fifth if you count the witch). This would be pretty painless given the mayor has not revealed yet.

Alternatively, or in addition, it has also been suggested that the Witch and the Mafia be put in contact rather than having to hunt for one another.

Thoughts on these two suggestions?

Maybe just give the Mafia a challenging round for once? The balance is pretty off on FHC as is due to various reasons.

[Nobody_Holme]

I'm in favour of roleswapping the mayor, as long as the mayor player is okay with it.

That or just kill a few people via dice roll at night over a few days until the balance is better (the fucked up information should offset any mafia role time loss on the players killed by steph, methinks.

Hardmode is also good, given how the last few games have gone for the mafia, merhaps.

[Quarantine]

It's been suggested to me that the mayor be role-swapped to a fourth Mafia member(fifth if you count the witch). This would be pretty painless given the mayor has not revealed yet.

Alternatively, or in addition, it has also been suggested that the Witch and the Mafia be put in contact rather than having to hunt for one another.

Thoughts on these two suggestions?

Do the first one and do it quick.

[Toxic]

+1 for the game being seriously scewed when you combine mayor with full list of roles + number of roles.

[Dark Flare]

It's been suggested to me that the mayor be role-swapped to a fourth Mafia member(fifth if you count the witch). This would be pretty painless given the mayor has not revealed yet.

Alternatively, or in addition, it has also been suggested that the Witch and the Mafia be put in contact rather than having to hunt for one another.

Thoughts on these two suggestions?

Are you able to confirm if this is why the Mayor hasn't outed yet?

[Toxic]

It's been suggested to me that the mayor be role-swapped to a fourth Mafia member(fifth if you count the witch). This would be pretty painless given the mayor has not revealed yet.

Alternatively, or in addition, it has also been suggested that the Witch and the Mafia be put in contact rather than having to hunt for one another.

Thoughts on these two suggestions?

Are you able to confirm if this is why the Mayor hasn't outed yet?

In the suggestion that I was gonna post today, which largely revolved around the mayor outing himself and uniting (most of) the village, I was going to suggest that the mayor waited until the start of the next day. This would give people a full 48 hours to send in their roles, leaving NO EXCUSE not to do so, and swift lynching of the ones who did not.

Assuming the mayor isn't a new player he likely reached the same conclusion.

[Toxic]

Btw Steph will a majority vote for abstain result in an abstain?

[Tellenta]

Btw Steph will a majority vote for abstain result in an abstain?

I believe that is the general rule isn't it? Otherwise abstaining is pointless as all it takes is one person to not abstain to lynch someone.

Which probably means that abstain is really a vote for "no lynching" which is three syllables as opposed to two and therefore inefficient and inferior to the word abstain.

[Steph]

Are you able to confirm if this is why the Mayor hasn't outed yet?

The Mayor declined to switch to Mafia.


Btw Steph will a majority vote for abstain result in an abstain?

Yes.

[Steph]

If this ends up being a short round due to :mayor: I'll run another PROPER round immediately after.

[Toxic]

I would like to thank the mayor for chickening out and turning this into a boring game then /sarcasm

[LarkinAlpha]

Hey Steph, I just had an idea for the Mayor role:

Can only out themselves if they are in danger of being lynched. Would put a wrinkle in the otherwise very powerful role.

[Nobody_Holme]

Hey Steph, I just had an idea for the Mayor role:

Can only out themselves if they are in danger of being lynched. Would put a wrinkle in the otherwise very powerful role.

Its an interesting idea, but it only really works if they're someone who can post at the end of the day, which isnt always certain with random roles. Worth at the very least a test game, though.

[Cool09]

In the ~6 games I've played, this was my first one as mafia... killed on turn one :psyblown:

I think the mayor should be allowed in the game only when we know very little about what the roles are. Even then, last time the mayor was used we didn't know how many of each role were in, and it was still extremely powerful, to the point where I was just pointing out the next target each turn. We lynched like 5 bad guys in a row and it was gg. Very boring.

This time I guess Steph assigned the roles randomly (c/d?), which is cool in a way but ultimately a bad idea I think. The roles should be selected with some thought so that we get a fun, balanced game (I mean what roles are in the game, not who gets which role).

[Cool09]

Hey Steph, I just had an idea for the Mayor role:

Can only out themselves if they are in danger of being lynched. Would put a wrinkle in the otherwise very powerful role.

Its an interesting idea, but it only really works if they're someone who can post at the end of the day, which isnt always certain with random roles. Worth at the very least a test game, though.

You have to define "danger." He could just play like a lunatic and reveal when he gets some votes, shouldn't be hard to do turn one.

[dpidcoe]

The roles should be selected with some thought so that we get a fun, balanced game (I mean what roles are in the game, not who gets which role). The point of mafia isn't minmaxing statistics and playing voting spreadsheets, it's to have a clusterfuck of hilarity. Who gets what role should also be handpicked for maximum fun(tm).

[Nobody_Holme]

More than X votes at Y time.

It wont always work well, because lazy people wont stop voting you when you only reveal late on in the day.

EDIT: Also, if you're a dick like whoever it is in this, you might get killed off by the village anyway in the interests of a better game.

[Lana Torrin]

OK so now I can comment on roles without being accused of being the Mayor and/or bumped off.

Mayor is a really terrible role. Round 1 was the round it could have been changed to mafia but it should have been a no option thing if it was decided that it was to be done. Now we have moved to round 2 and we still have the role, we shouldn't be changing anything about it.

While it looks unbalanced its very very easy for the mafia to hide in the clusterfuck that is FHC so I don't think this is quite as one sided as it looks.

[Toxic]

Anyone else thought that the reason Lana was shot is that she wasnt pretty enough to be a courtesan? :p
Perhaps an unsatisfied customer ;)

And spam, the amnesiac just has to role-claim early on, and noone will dare try killing him. This grants you a free ticket to the endgame.

[Steph]

Anyone else thought that the reason Lana was shot is that she wasnt pretty enough to be a courtesan? :p
Perhaps an unsatisfied customer ;)

And spam, the amnesiac just has to role-claim early on, and noone will dare try killing him. This grants you a free ticket to the endgame.

As someone who once claimed Amnesiac on day 1 during an FHC game, I can verify that this doesn't actually work.

[Toxic]

I messed up amnesiac with paranoid btw.

Amnesiac is an even better / more fun role. Not sure what he was complaining about.

[Cool09]

Amnesiac is pretty much the best role.. you can choose to be what you want.

[Steph]

Just had a thought.

When I publish the roles list...should I note which roles have duplicates, or just give a list of which roles are in the game with a note that "there are one or more copies of one or more of these roles"?

[Steph]

Oh right. It's been requested that the ban on sharing screenshots be lifted to facilitate an "anything goes" approach to deception shenanigans. Given how easy it is to doctor a PM screenshot, I'm inclined to try it. Any major objections?

[Cool09]

Nah, I wouldn't note which have duplicates.

[Varcaus]

It means if you have a lot more time to fatnerd it up you can do a lot better but oh well.

[Dark Flare]

Oh right. It's been requested that the ban on sharing screenshots be lifted to facilitate an "anything goes" approach to deception shenanigans. Given how easy it is to doctor a PM screenshot, I'm inclined to try it. Any major objections?

It's kinda pointless because it makes no difference either way. Either everyone sends screenshots and the maf ones are fake, or everyone sends text claims and the maf ones are fake.

[Dark Flare]

In fact I'd say keep them disallowed, at best it would make it shitty for people who aren't tech savvy, and at worst for roles that have duplicates it's a horrible mechanics test because the two real ones will have the same text.

[Nobody_Holme]

Faking a screenshot takes about a minute if you know what you're doing, and about five if you have to look it up (its on youtube).

It makes it unfair on morons.

[dpidcoe]

It makes it unfair on morons.
you say that like it's a bad thing.

[QuackBot]

In fact I'd say keep them disallowed, at best it would make it shitty for people who aren't tech savvy, and at worst for roles that have duplicates it's a horrible mechanics test because the two real ones will have the same text.
Who is the worst.

[Nobody_Holme]

It makes it unfair on morons.
you say that like it's a bad thing.

Well if we skew this too hard against morons, they'll all stop and that would mean no players...

[Dark Flare]

It makes it unfair on morons.
you say that like it's a bad thing.

Well if we skew this too hard against morons, they'll all stop and that would mean no players...

Also like I already pointed out it makes it easier for town when there's several of the same role.

[Navigator Six]

I'm still not sure if I like having the lunatic in the game. The only way I can see it actually changing what players do is if there's someone particularly at risk of dying (e.g. the sheriff / don, in which case that player might not vote for someone they think is the lunatic). Otherwise there doesn't seem to be a reason to change your behavior, and it doesn't really matter if the lunatic wins or not (the same applies to the rival, really).

[LarkinAlpha]

I'm still not sure if I like having the lunatic in the game. The only way I can see it actually changing what players do is if there's someone particularly at risk of dying (e.g. the sheriff / don, in which case that player might not vote for someone they think is the lunatic). Otherwise there doesn't seem to be a reason to change your behavior, and it doesn't really matter if the lunatic wins or not (the same applies to the rival, really).

Lunatic random kills one of the lynchers though. That's how Bent died in the game he was mayor. It supposed to make you think twice about lynching someone, or spite not lynch someone.

[Navigator Six]

I'm still not sure if I like having the lunatic in the game. The only way I can see it actually changing what players do is if there's someone particularly at risk of dying (e.g. the sheriff / don, in which case that player might not vote for someone they think is the lunatic). Otherwise there doesn't seem to be a reason to change your behavior, and it doesn't really matter if the lunatic wins or not (the same applies to the rival, really).

Lunatic random kills one of the lynchers though. That's how Bent died in the game he was mayor. It supposed to make you think twice about lynching someone, or spite not lynch someone.

Sure, absolutely, but I don't think it really changes anyone's behavior in game. You pretty much can't afford to not lynch someone, even if you think they're the lunatic, as it's too easy to fake and the risk of a double-bluff too high.

[Nobody_Holme]

It changes how the lunatic plays, which inherently helps hide people playing wierd strategies from the public eye better, as they MIGHT just be a loon.

I quite like it, to be honest.

[Tellenta]

Someone said the lunatic didnt know they were the lumatic. Is that not the case?

fone poastin

[Navigator Six]

It changes how the lunatic plays, which inherently helps hide people playing wierd strategies from the public eye better, as they MIGHT just be a loon.

I quite like it, to be honest.

All this is true, and yet I don't think any of these reasons would ever actually stop the village from lynching someone, unless a player actively admitted being the lunatic (and even then I don't think it would work).

And Tellenta: the lunatic does know their role.

[Nobody_Holme]

It wont change the village's play, no

Just individuals can use it to make other plays.

[Dark Flare]

Lunatic only really works properly in fixed setups where both sides have an investigative role, and village has both a vigilante and a couple nights worth of no-lynching, and where lunatic being killed ends the game. Otherwise it's too easy because nobody cares if the lunatic dies.

[Steph]

Having used it in several games now, I tend to agree. I thought the random revenge-kill would be a sufficient deterrant, but perhaps not?

[Dark Flare]

That suffers from "it'll never happen to me!"itis

[Tellenta]

It didn't help that when i was starting my darkflare might be the lunatic crusade i was told the lunatic doesn't know they are the lunatic. Which didn't make sense but whatev's

Nice meltdown DF that was a good read.

fone poastin

[Dark Flare]

It didn't help that when i was starting my darkflare might be the lunatic crusade i was told the lunatic doesn't know they are the lunatic. Which didn't make sense but whatev's

Nice meltdown DF that was a good read.

fone poastin

I was kinda worried if I seemed too casual about it people might figure I'm lunatic. I figured acting super involved and upset might make people think I was townsided.

[Steph]

It didn't help that when i was starting my darkflare might be the lunatic crusade i was told the lunatic doesn't know they are the lunatic. Which didn't make sense but whatev's

Who told you that? Cause they was wrong.

[LarkinAlpha]

It didn't help that when i was starting my darkflare might be the lunatic crusade i was told the lunatic doesn't know they are the lunatic. Which didn't make sense but whatev's

Nice meltdown DF that was a good read.

fone poastin

I was kinda worried if I seemed too casual about it people might figure I'm lunatic. I figured acting super involved and upset might make people think I was townsided.

I don't think it made them think you were townsided, more just annoyed with the noise. Which worked honestly.

[Steph]

I'm surprised Darkflare doesn't just get Ignore-listed during Mafia games.

No offense, DF.

[Tellenta]

It didn't help that when i was starting my darkflare might be the lunatic crusade i was told the lunatic doesn't know they are the lunatic. Which didn't make sense but whatev's

Who told you that? Cause they was wrong.






But he could be the lunatic!!!!

Damnbit

fone poastinWhat who said anything about roles (besides nobody)

Just thinking out loud. It's the only role that wants to die.

fone poastin



fone postin



It doesn't know what it is though

Oh, well. Lets call me a noob and be done with this brain fart.

fone poastin

Welp,

fone poastin

[Dark Flare]

I'm surprised Darkflare doesn't just get Ignore-listed during Mafia games.

No offense, DF.

Everything I said about how town should have been playing was still right though ;)

[Tellenta]

No biggie i know better for the future.

fone poastin

[Nobody_Holme]

The problem with simply ignoring DF is he still makes everyone else think they can hide.

Giving him loon is an autowin pretty much, because the only side that needs to get rid of him is the town. Giving him any other role is likely to be an autolose, however, so...

[Dark Flare]

The problem with simply ignoring DF is he still makes everyone else think they can hide.

Giving him loon is an autowin pretty much, because the only side that needs to get rid of him is the town. Giving him any other role is likely to be an autolose, however, so...

lol, the only side that needs to get rid of me is town despite the fact that I rek mafia as town every time? kek

[Toxic]

It was very obvious you were the lunatic, but you played it right. You made it too expensive to keep you.

[Dark Flare]

It was very obvious you were the lunatic, but you played it right. You made it too expensive to keep you.

Which just illustrates how poorly FHCers use logic in mafia games. Voting for someone who you think is the lunatic is ridiculous, for one it risks you dying, for two you can't win if the lunatic is lynched. When the village has night-kill roles, lynching the lunatic just shows a huge lack of understanding of the game.

[Navigator Six]

It was very obvious you were the lunatic, but you played it right. You made it too expensive to keep you.

Which just illustrates how poorly FHCers use logic in mafia games. Voting for someone who you think is the lunatic is ridiculous, for one it risks you dying, for two you can't win if the lunatic is lynched. When the village has night-kill roles, lynching the lunatic just shows a huge lack of understanding of the game.

Who says you can't win?

[Dark Flare]

It was very obvious you were the lunatic, but you played it right. You made it too expensive to keep you.

Which just illustrates how poorly FHCers use logic in mafia games. Voting for someone who you think is the lunatic is ridiculous, for one it risks you dying, for two you can't win if the lunatic is lynched. When the village has night-kill roles, lynching the lunatic just shows a huge lack of understanding of the game.

Who says you can't win?

Lunatic already won.

[Cool09]

More than one faction can win. The witch can win with the mafia. The survivalist can with with either side. The game ends when either the village or mafia are dead.

[Dark Flare]

More than one faction can win. The witch can win with the mafia. The survivalist can with with either side. The game ends when either the village or mafia are dead.

First winner real winner no-one else matters

[Steph]

It was very obvious you were the lunatic, but you played it right. You made it too expensive to keep you.

Which just illustrates how poorly FHCers use logic in mafia games. Voting for someone who you think is the lunatic is ridiculous, for one it risks you dying, for two you can't win if the lunatic is lynched. When the village has night-kill roles, lynching the lunatic just shows a huge lack of understanding of the game.

The correct play when someone is 100% sure to be the lunatic, is to have the Vigilante shoot them.

[Nobody_Holme]

It was very obvious you were the lunatic, but you played it right. You made it too expensive to keep you.

Which just illustrates how poorly FHCers use logic in mafia games. Voting for someone who you think is the lunatic is ridiculous, for one it risks you dying, for two you can't win if the lunatic is lynched. When the village has night-kill roles, lynching the lunatic just shows a huge lack of understanding of the game.

The correct play when someone is 100% sure to be the lunatic, is to have the Vigilante shoot them.

Vigilantes should pull their finger out and day one kill DF. Just saying :D

[pratell]

It was very obvious you were the lunatic, but you played it right. You made it too expensive to keep you.

Which just illustrates how poorly FHCers use logic in mafia games. Voting for someone who you think is the lunatic is ridiculous, for one it risks you dying, for two you can't win if the lunatic is lynched. When the village has night-kill roles, lynching the lunatic just shows a huge lack of understanding of the game.

The correct play when someone is 100% sure to be the lunatic, is to have the Vigilante shoot them.

Vigilantes should pull their finger out and day one kill DF. Just saying :D
vigilante cannot kill first night.

[Tellenta]

It was very obvious you were the lunatic, but you played it right. You made it too expensive to keep you.

Which just illustrates how poorly FHCers use logic in mafia games. Voting for someone who you think is the lunatic is ridiculous, for one it risks you dying, for two you can't win if the lunatic is lynched. When the village has night-kill roles, lynching the lunatic just shows a huge lack of understanding of the game.

The correct play when someone is 100% sure to be the lunatic, is to have the Vigilante shoot them.

Vigilantes should pull their finger out and day one kill DF. Just saying :D

can't, they are restricted to day 2+

[Dark Flare]

It was very obvious you were the lunatic, but you played it right. You made it too expensive to keep you.

Which just illustrates how poorly FHCers use logic in mafia games. Voting for someone who you think is the lunatic is ridiculous, for one it risks you dying, for two you can't win if the lunatic is lynched. When the village has night-kill roles, lynching the lunatic just shows a huge lack of understanding of the game.

The correct play when someone is 100% sure to be the lunatic, is to have the Vigilante shoot them.

Vigilantes should pull their finger out and day one kill DF. Just saying :D

not if they want to win

[Lana Torrin]

It was very obvious you were the lunatic, but you played it right. You made it too expensive to keep you.

Which just illustrates how poorly FHCers use logic in mafia games. Voting for someone who you think is the lunatic is ridiculous, for one it risks you dying, for two you can't win if the lunatic is lynched. When the village has night-kill roles, lynching the lunatic just shows a huge lack of understanding of the game.

The correct play when someone is 100% sure to be the lunatic, is to have the Vigilante shoot them.

Vigilantes should pull their finger out and day one kill DF. Just saying :D

not if they want to win

SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LET HIM WIN.

Tapaderpin

[Varcaus]

Killed by spasms bad play. GG

[Steph]

:popcorn:

[Dark Flare]

It was very obvious you were the lunatic, but you played it right. You made it too expensive to keep you.

Which just illustrates how poorly FHCers use logic in mafia games. Voting for someone who you think is the lunatic is ridiculous, for one it risks you dying, for two you can't win if the lunatic is lynched. When the village has night-kill roles, lynching the lunatic just shows a huge lack of understanding of the game.

The correct play when someone is 100% sure to be the lunatic, is to have the Vigilante shoot them.

Vigilantes should pull their finger out and day one kill DF. Just saying :D

not if they want to win

SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LET HIM WIN.

Tapaderpin

I always win, this isnt new

[pratell]

ermagehrd spasm

[Cool09]

Killed by spasms bad play. GG

No, you were killed by the rules being inaccurate. I wouldn't have led the charge against you if the rules weren't different from how the sleuth works.

[Toxic]

Killed by spasms bad play. GG

No, you were killed by the rules being inaccurate. I wouldn't have led the charge against you if the rules weren't different from how the sleuth works.

Ill be happy to share the blame for lynching him, since the rule clarification stated that he would in fact learn of Spasms investigation.

He didn't learn of it, because Spasm forgot to investigate. His honesty got him lynched.

It was a pretty clear cut case from village point of view.

[Quarantine]

Killed by spasms bad play. GG

No, you were killed by the rules being inaccurate. I wouldn't have led the charge against you if the rules weren't different from how the sleuth works.

Ill be happy to share the blame for lynching him, since the rule clarification stated that he would in fact learn of Spasms investigation.

He didn't learn of it, because Spasm forgot to investigate. His honesty got him lynched.

It was a pretty clear cut case from village point of view.

Spasm should be forbidden from working as a sheriff, lawyer or any other law-related profession.

[spasm]

You should fuck off Quarantine.


Steph should stick to one time when he ends instead whenever the fuck he feels like that night.

[Steph]

Wasn't it you that was bitching about 48 hours being too long?

[spasm]

You switch between ending days between 4-6pm here. I was still deciding who to investigate when you're end of day message popped up.

[Nobody_Holme]

Screws up, blames GM.

That always works, right?

[Steph]

You switch between ending days between 4-6pm here. I was still deciding who to investigate when you're end of day message popped up.

Then decide faster. Are you seriously complaining about a two hour window on a twenty-four hour cycle? If that makes it a little difficult for you, well shit son I guess 24 hours isn't quite enough time after all.

You can't have it both ways m8.

[spasm]

Yes, fuck consistency. I should just investigate without even reading the thread.

[Dark Flare]

You switch between ending days between 4-6pm here. I was still deciding who to investigate when you're end of day message popped up.

Then decide faster. Are you seriously complaining about a two hour window on a twenty-four hour cycle? If that makes it a little difficult for you, well shit son I guess 24 hours isn't quite enough time after all.

You can't have it both ways m8.

How is it a "window" if it ends early? The games are always supposed to end at midnight UK time. The day I died ended 1hr 20minutes before that. Yesterday ended 40 minutes after that. You can't expect people to guess when they need to have night actions in by.

[LarkinAlpha]

Yes, fuck consistency. I should just investigate without even reading the thread.




You switch between ending days between 4-6pm here. I was still deciding who to investigate when you're end of day message popped up.

Then decide faster. Are you seriously complaining about a two hour window on a twenty-four hour cycle? If that makes it a little difficult for you, well shit son I guess 24 hours isn't quite enough time after all.

You can't have it both ways m8.

How is it a "window" if it ends early? The games are always supposed to end at midnight UK time. The day I died ended 1hr 20minutes before that. Yesterday ended 40 minutes after that. You can't expect people to guess when they need to have night actions in by.

Consistency or an alert when it's not going to be consistent.

[Quarantine]

Yes, fuck consistency. I should just investigate without even reading the thread.

Yeah, you should. If you have an important power role, you send a PM with your night action right at the beginning of the day. You can always change it later in the night, but if for any reason you can't be there (or the day ends early) you'll not have wasted your action. I don't like random day endings either, but it's steph game, and he can run it this way if he wants to. Should be in the rules though, so people don't get surprised by this.

[Lana Torrin]

Yes, fuck consistency. I should just investigate without even reading the thread.

Yeah, you should. If you have an important power role, you send a PM with your night action right at the beginning of the day.

Actually thats worked against me more than once.. Send PM in the morning. Change it later.. GM does what you said in the first PM because lol they missed the 2nd one..

[Quarantine]

Yes, fuck consistency. I should just investigate without even reading the thread.

Yeah, you should. If you have an important power role, you send a PM with your night action right at the beginning of the day.

Actually thats worked against me more than once.. Send PM in the morning. Change it later.. GM does what you said in the first PM because lol they missed the 2nd one..

I did it a lot in the Inquisitor game (best round of mafia we ever had), and it worked fine. If you are a sheriff, you lose far more by not investigating at all than by possibly investigating someone not ideal. I see your point though, it can work against you, but for those that are in it more for the forum ragefits than the actual game anyway, it's a good strategy.

[LarkinAlpha]

Yes, fuck consistency. I should just investigate without even reading the thread.

Yeah, you should. If you have an important power role, you send a PM with your night action right at the beginning of the day.

Actually thats worked against me more than once.. Send PM in the morning. Change it later.. GM does what you said in the first PM because lol they missed the 2nd one..

I did it a lot in the Inquisitor game (best round of mafia we ever had), and it worked fine. If you are a sheriff, you lose far more by not investigating at all than by possibly investigating noone at all. I see your point though, it can work against you, but for those that are in it more for the forum ragefits than the actual game anyway, it's a good strategy.

I'm obsessive about correct time keeping though, so I can easily see how it might not work for other people running the games.

[Tellenta]

I can understand getting uppity about an early end of the day without fair warning. However, a late end to the day can be due to rl crap which takes precident over games. Even if the rl.crap was as simple as running to the store to buy some milk.

[Lana Torrin]

I just wish the rules were consistent between games...

Tapaderpin

[Steph]

I do my best. Some of the difficulty arises because I'm always tweaking the rules to better balance everything.

[Lana Torrin]

Well stop it. I don't care if it's balanced just that we all know what the rules are.

Tapaderpin

Edit : yes, I just said stop doing your best Steph.

[Navigator Six]

I know I mentioned the differing definitions of "village / villager" a few games ago, for the exact same victory-condition confusion everyone spent a page or two of the thread arguing about. Why not change the first bit of the SK description to "The Serial Killer wins the game if they are the last player alive"?

[Steph]

I'd have made the change already if I'd realized that "last surviving Villager" means the same as "last survivor of the village" to people on FHC. If that's what Lana's mad about, then I point out that the interpretation I outlined is the way I've always run it - including previous games where Lana was the Serial Killer.

[Lana Torrin]

I'd have made the change already if I'd realized that "last surviving Villager" means the same as "last survivor of the village" to people on FHC. If that's what Lana's mad about, then I point out that the interpretation I outlined is the way I've always run it - including previous games where Lana was the Serial Killer.

Naw not mad. I did point out last time though it's almost impossible to win as SK.

You know why I died and hopefully why I did it. It's not a big deal, it's been fun watching the village derp about chasing shadows.

Tapaderpin

[Navigator Six]

I'd have made the change already if I'd realized that "last surviving Villager" means the same as "last survivor of the village" to people on FHC. If that's what Lana's mad about, then I point out that the interpretation I outlined is the way I've always run it - including previous games where Lana was the Serial Killer.

There isn't really any confusion, once you take time to think about it, as the SK isn't a member of Team Village and thus can't ever be the last survivor of that team (therefore "village" has to mean "all the players"). However, it's still confusing at a cursory glance, so could be worth changing.

[Dark Flare]

I'd have made the change already if I'd realized that "last surviving Villager" means the same as "last survivor of the village" to people on FHC. If that's what Lana's mad about, then I point out that the interpretation I outlined is the way I've always run it - including previous games where Lana was the Serial Killer.

Naw not mad. I did point out last time though it's almost impossible to win as SK.

You know why I died and hopefully why I did it. It's not a big deal, it's been fun watching the village derp about chasing shadows.

Tapaderpin

Do you know who has won as SK before?

[Lana Torrin]

o\

Here is me explaining my mistake last game.. http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?12367-Mafiaheap-Challenge-Round-9-Roles-Clusterfuck-Edition&p=806829&viewfull=1#post806829

Guess what I did again...

[Toxic]

Having said all of that though it was a REALLY fun role that im now never going to get to play again.

At least you got that wrong! ;)

[Lana Torrin]

Having said all of that though it was a REALLY fun role that im now never going to get to play again.

At least you got that wrong! ;)

I get everything wrong.

[Toxic]

Having said all of that though it was a REALLY fun role that im now never going to get to play again.

At least you got that wrong! ;)

I get everything wrong.

That was my point sweetie :p

:companioncube:

[Quarantine]

In the future I would like to have a game with less random roles and less boring citizens in a role heavy setuo.

[Lana Torrin]

In the future I would like to have a game with less random roles and less boring citizens in a role heavy setuo.

Should have just made me a citizen.. People forget they are great tools for working out the guilty party in some situations (village is past that point now)

[Nicho Void]

Like I said, props to pratell for being an active, non-power role in a role heavy game.

[pratell]

Like I said, props to pratell for being an active, non-power role in a role heavy game.

i'd still be alive too if it wasn't for those meddling mafia.

[Lana Torrin]

Like I said, props to pratell for being an active, non-power role in a role heavy game.

i'd still be alive too if it wasn't for those meddling mafia.

You dont need to be alive to win

[Steph]

Especially if you're the lunatic.

[Lana Torrin]

Want to post thoughts on the current game SO MUCH.

Tapaderpin

[Navigator Six]

Want to post thoughts on the current game SO MUCH.

Tapaderpin

Well, off you go then. Mafia's chucked in the towel.

[Lana Torrin]

I know. I can't remember what I wanted to say.

Tapaderpin

[Nobody_Holme]

Hurrah, winning.

Theres something about tellenta's posting that game that just screamed mafia at me. :| Anyone else get that, or actually able to articulate what it was specificly? I dont want to be that cunt with the unhelpful criticism, but it appears that I am, and I'm not sure how soon anyone else got it.

[Sp4m]

FHC Screwed me up irl

had a conference call regarding microsoft linc and referred to it as microsoft lynch by accident >.<

[Tellenta]

Hurrah, winning.

Theres something about tellenta's posting that game that just screamed mafia at me. :| Anyone else get that, or actually able to articulate what it was specificly? I dont want to be that cunt with the unhelpful criticism, but it appears that I am, and I'm not sure how soon anyone else got it.

I posted to much at the start when i should have posted once or twice a turn. I spent the rest of the game trying not to change my posting style while not screaming mafia. I failed hard and spent most of the time saying that i am going to die next turn in our mafia chats. Yet i never did and i couldnt understand why tbh.

[Cool09]

FHC Screwed me up irl

had a conference call regarding microsoft linc and referred to it as microsoft lynch by accident >.<

Hah, just don't refer to anyone as the mafia!

[Steph]

microsoft is the mafia irl

[pratell]

now i need more mafia

[Cool09]

requesting additional mafia

[Lana Torrin]

Who except cue wants to run one?

Tapaderpin

[Nobody_Holme]

I'd give running one another shot, but I dont want to do the next one. Also, actually preparing beforehand this time. >.>

[Quarantine]

Before the summer there was a list in one of the stickies, but that's outdated. Someone just step up and make a new sign up thread please?