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Nestor Laurenitis
April 10 2011, 06:59:10 AM
Rote Kapelle got into a bit of a tussle (http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=50234) the other night with Wildly Inappropriate. and Fatal Ascension.

Not shown in that link on our side are four Guardians. They may have had a few more participants on their side, I'm not sure.

They chased us for a system or two prior to the engagement while we tried to get eyes on their composition. We decided to hold on an outbound gate, form up, let them land on us and take the fight they offered.

Initially the fight went pretty well for us as FC counted through the targets. Guardians were initial primaries but reps held them, then they moved to the Damnation and spread some fire over our Diemosts.

Local continued to climb as more WI and FA stragglers arrived fashionably late to the dance and the call to de-agress was made as our logi for the most part were capping out due to ECM disrupting our cap feeds.

Fortunately we maintained reps long enough for most of the gang and all of our logi to slip out the other side and achieve parity in the isk war.

GF, etc...

TZeer
April 10 2011, 05:19:00 PM
Killed some Fatal Ascension last few days.

Made them so mad they brought titans and capitals vs our few snipers and tacklers. Good times where had.

They killed our SBU two times. First time they brought around 100 peeps, including a supercarrier and 9 carriers.

Next day they brought roughly the double and titans. One of our snipers got DD by a titan *welp*

Last SBU we put up, they could only field 60-70 peeps. And after loosing 7 ships, including 3 logistics within the first few minutes of the fight they warped of. Glorious victory!

Roughly 60+ kills over the different engagements.

Losses so far is 1 dramiel, 2 SBU`s and 1 nightmare that got nuked by a titan.

Torshin
April 16 2011, 10:43:16 PM
Mostly harmless lost a titan today in fade

http://northern-coalition.co.uk/?a=kill ... l_id=47321 (http://northern-coalition.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=47321)

Not sure how they caught him just happy he died cause i hate L2evil

Tyrrax Thorrk
April 17 2011, 12:21:50 AM
apparently he was afk in a bridge POS and got bumped out

Serrated
April 17 2011, 11:58:35 PM
Not sure how they caught him just happy he died cause i hate L2evil

Someone reset the pw while he was in force field. Either spy or someone panicked when he saw hostiles inside their pos. Also afaik ev0ke made tackle.

From their alliance channel:
[ 2011.04.16 19:46:55 ] GallenteCitizen3742 > blue avatar atacked in C8-CHY Solar System
?[ 2011.04.16 19:47:29 ] VeNoM70 > titan takled in c-8 guys gogogo its mine
?[ 2011.04.16 19:47:34 ] VeNoM70 > c8
[ 2011.04.16 19:48:06 ] wardo653 > log out
?[ 2011.04.16 19:48:13 ] VeNoM70 > already did
?[ 2011.04.16 19:48:15 ] wardo653 > tackled by wot?
?[ 2011.04.16 19:48:34 ] wardo653 > anyone in C8 that can use their scanner properly that can have a look in c8
?[ 2011.04.16 19:48:43 ] GallenteCitizen3742 > Abels Kain
?[ 2011.04.16 19:48:58 ] GallenteCitizen3742 > 110 in ssitem
?[ 2011.04.16 19:49:28 ] VeNoM70 > save the titan use rep carriers fuk
?[ 2011.04.16 19:49:44 ] GallenteCitizen3742 > titan is down
?[ 2011.04.16 19:49:55 ] VeNoM70 > well great
?[ 2011.04.16 19:50:06 ] GallenteCitizen3742 > fuking evoke
?[ 2011.04.16 19:50:43 ] PDH Sylar > how you manage to get it tackled ?
?[ 2011.04.16 19:50:47 ] GallenteCitizen3742 > they are inside X-1 pos
?[ 2011.04.16 19:51:01 ] PDH Sylar > jump bridge pos ?
?[ 2011.04.16 19:51:09 ] VeNoM70 > got pass word changed on me
?[ 2011.04.16 19:51:10 ] GallenteCitizen3742 > no ideea
?[ 2011.04.16 19:52:24 ] Badhands > on how many spy's we got
?[ 2011.04.16 19:52:31 ] Badhands > i belive they are inside our poses
?[ 2011.04.16 19:52:46 ] Abramul > P-33 JB is clear.
?[ 2011.04.16 19:52:53 ] WharGoulian > sound like we have atlest 1
?[ 2011.04.16 19:52:59 ] Lionel Ou > is it a JB pos?
?[ 2011.04.16 19:53:02 ] whiticus maximus > wait you dont put a titan in a jb pos
?[ 2011.04.16 19:53:10 ] whiticus maximus > well in my opinion you shouldnt
[ 2011.04.16 19:58:24 ] VeNoM70 > nice pw change on me
?[ 2011.04.16 19:58:45 ] VeNoM70 > got to love it

^^^my edited version, I didnt include all lines becouse they weren't revelant (ie, discussion about random things, hey guys, etc)
full log here: http://pastebin.com/ENNHeKR7

Helen
April 18 2011, 08:02:03 AM
I bet it was a JB pos, if someone had roles to reset pos pw they could do a whole lot more damage.

Skyly
April 18 2011, 08:13:48 AM
I bet it was a JB pos, if someone had roles to reset pos pw they could do a whole lot more damage.

If those chat logs are accurate then moon X-1 in C8- certainly is a JB POS.

http://nc-jb-map.appspot.com/

Leboe
April 30 2011, 09:25:31 AM
(leboe, wanna crosspost this to FHC? I can only do it from work)

Blob Kapelle on Blob Fridays blobs it up: Fleetcomp was command+tackle+4 logi+18 DPS (mostly drakes for once, but call was for Drakes/Pests/Tengus > Whatever other hangertrash was around. Say what you want about the gayness of drakefleet, it is relaxing to FC as you know you can just throw the thing into the fire... I lose a T3 fleet and people will be giving me shit for a month.

Anyways, fleet poked around Syndicate for the usual fights, but UNEW wasn't formed up, Flying Dangerously wasn't interested, and the gatecamping newguys in F67 had eyes in neighboring systems and ceded the gate to our suprior good looks. Which, frankly, is a pretty usual Syndicate USTZ. 30ish is too big for Syndicate, so we visit, then head out to Sovspace to get blobbed.

Todays menu called for Cloud Ring (Fountain and Pureblind just seem to take longer before we find fights). We looped around CR getting more than the normal amounts of derpy ganks, including a hulk which aggressed our dram on station (http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=51552) (Hats off to you, brave warrior prince). So, it's getting late, and xbox is whining like a bitch that we've been out too long, so v0v, I guess we'll visit fade later and just loop the CR loop, and kick FA or widot for a fight. XZH produced no plexers to kill, though for some reason no one can pin down, a HIC and a Drake choose to engage 2v30 (perhaps nobly buying time for the mob to form?).

Regardless, I've got 4 people telling me their marriages are soon to be on the line, so it's time to go home. But, we need to peek into G8 on the way home, just to see if there are ratting carriers or some similar insanity... it's practically on the way.

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=51572

Fleet is in warp to G8 gate, Scout jumps and reports local at 50 with a fleet on gate, numbers given as approx 30 on gate with more warping in, drakes, scorps, and scimi's. They jump to us as we land on gate.

Excellent. Because I am a great space commander I choose to split their fleet, hoping to leave 30 on the 9-4 side, and get a a few precious seconds alone with the expected 10-15 on the G8AD side. So, polishing my monacle, I order fleet to lock up the world, and call redboxes. They aggress, and fleet is ordered to jump and reapproach, upon which I find out that in fact, they had ALL jumped into 94, and my tactical brilliance was wasted- luckily, my husky voice still makes the ladies swoon.

Still, Heerrrrrp. (*)

OK, Bubble up, drones out, Logi to range, and it's time to pray that they will come defend their honor! And Lo, local screams up and it's go time!

Called Scorps first, ordering drones on Scimi's, and primaries were dropping, so I ignored my whinging logi pilots and kept going through primaries, moving towards their T2 support and anyone else I could find who was standing still rather than pulling some kind of range.about 2 minutes in, and they start bailing off the gate, so we catch what we can, and clean up.

Was a nice one, honestly, as widot has been sticking a bit of boot in our ass lately, and destroyed Leboe's precious Ferrox Fleet, which he is convinced will be the next FOTsomething.

So, gf gf, widot, we'll see you again soon no doubt.

Special award for the worst fit goes to this gentleman. I don't even. (http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=51579)

(I promised Grarr I'd get him a BR for the syndicate thread 2 weeks ago, and it took me this long to get a fight where I didn't look like a complete dousche. :) )

(*) this was actually only the second dumbest thing I did today, as earlier I was screaming about a 50 man gang in our homesystem in intel channels when in fact, I was logging into highsec. o\



I edited a local count to be more accurate, enjoy.

Leboe
May 5 2011, 08:32:20 PM
Another night, another theme, another circlejerk. Oneiros fleet was GO. TLDR: lots of ganks with oneiroses.

Night started with 3 ravens randomly jumping into us, one had some overseer's stuff. At this point we realized our DPS was embarassing.

http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a ... l_id=51754 (http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=51754)

We went to fountain but everyone was busy running from a 25-30 man nulli gang. We didnt chase it because they had more hacs than we had in gang. And we wouldnt be able to break 4 scimi's worth of reps even if ours held. Nulli might have been up for some tempblue fun but we're still butthurt about them running from our gang a few months ago.

So we went over to CR in hopes of someone forming a pitchfork gang. YI- was too quiet and their mining op was at a grav site, warped to a POS instead of station so no luck. So instead we ruined solo PVP for this guy http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a ... l_id=51761 (http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=51761) Everyone on our comms was yelling at eachother thinking someone was retarded and accidentally repping him.

We decided to swing to the other side of CR, hoping WI would form up. We also had a cyn who had logged in CR (or something) come join us. In true NC fashion a pair of lokis agressed said cynabal on the gate opposite our (scouted) mainfleet. One never agressed http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a ... l_id=51764 (http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=51764)

jumping back out to kill a drake, WI did a trio of bomb runs with mixed success. http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a ... l_id=51766 (http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=51766)

The first killed our slicer (MWD, not big surprise) 2nd didnt kill anything and the 3rd bomber died.

Alas, a drake 2 lokis and 3 bombers seemed to be the only thing WI formed up on a lonely wednesday night, and it was time for our glorious spaceships to go home.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18559877/mangogirl.jpg
'Mango is australian and wasnt a part of this fleet.

Bacchanalian
May 5 2011, 08:37:16 PM
Everyone on our comms was yelling at eachother thinking someone was retarded and accidentally repping him.


To be entirely fair, at least two people were repping him. I could see the effect. :psyduck:

Zach Donnell
May 6 2011, 12:44:33 AM
So instead we ruined solo PVP for this guy http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a ... l_id=51761 (http://www.rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=51761) Everyone on our comms was yelling at eachother thinking someone was retarded and accidentally repping him.

Hurt so good. (http://i.imgur.com/YtceJ.jpg) :D

Bacchanalian
May 6 2011, 02:33:42 AM
Nice screenie! You can also clearly see the remote armor effects on the Domi. :monocledowns:

indeterminacy
May 12 2011, 03:56:16 PM
We (WTF) formed up last night to save one of our moons in BDV. We did so a bit early and took our hellcats + caps to R-2 to help WIdot and goons with a WI moon. Both saves were uneventful, 404, who had RF'd them I'm told, was not to be found :P

We went on to RF the POS Evoke has placed on our moon in R6X. This was also uneventful, though we did get a couple good "drink, smoke, drink, drink"s in. I think. Well, I did for sure.

Nearly a month since last battle reported in Pure Blind (and counting).

Jackblasta
May 12 2011, 08:38:24 PM
that region seems pretty dead atm, I guess when DRF/PL/RAIDEN & friends are done with conquest of gem/vale/tribute/tenal/branch, they'll be concentrating on the western half of NC lands and steamrolling PB, Fade, Cloud Ring, Deklein. Evoke/Ewoks/& assorted pets along with Nc(dot) to share the spoils of tech in Pure Blind I guess, while you guys run missions in dodixie :)

Helen
May 12 2011, 08:55:38 PM
that region seems pretty dead atm, I guess when DRF/PL/RAIDEN & friends are done with conquest of gem/vale/tribute/tenal/branch, they'll be concentrating on the western half of NC lands and steamrolling PB, Fade, Cloud Ring, Deklein. Evoke/Ewoks/& assorted pets along with Nc(dot) to share the spoils of tech in Pure Blind I guess, while you guys run missions in dodixie :)

I think you are in la la land. Still in the process of clearing Vale at the moment.

Rudolf Miller
May 13 2011, 02:40:54 PM
that region seems pretty dead atm, I guess when DRF/PL/RAIDEN & friends are done with conquest of gem/vale/tribute/tenal/branch, they'll be concentrating on the western half of NC lands and steamrolling PB, Fade, Cloud Ring, Deklein. Evoke/Ewoks/& assorted pets along with Nc(dot) to share the spoils of tech in Pure Blind I guess, while you guys run missions in dodixie :)

I think you are in la la land. Still in the process of clearing Vale at the moment.

would be a good chuckle though if in 6-8 months the entirety of the remaining NC are basing out of X-70 as a last ditch of holding out.

doubt it's gonna happen though.

Nordstern
May 25 2011, 11:46:33 PM
M. Corp is back with Mostly Harmless? Were they re-invited or did they ask to join?

Helen
May 26 2011, 09:04:16 AM
M. Corp is back with Mostly Harmless? Were they re-invited or did they ask to join?

It's why they dropped sov in the south, so its been a long time for them to rejoin.

Raze
May 26 2011, 02:43:52 PM
A few of us decided to take a roam through out various low sec regions in 2x Drakes and myself in a Cane, after a few kills here and there, we made our way to F7C.

In F7C we saw a Dram, Nighthawk, Cyclone, and a few other frigs. As we where about to engage we got intel that an Abbadon, Apoc, Rapier, Rattlesnake and such where sitting next door. We decided to leave and fight another day, which was good because we jumped into O-Z and as we jumped a small HYDRA gang of 4x Drakes and 1x Cane landed and jumped through. The abbadon jumped through with the small gang into F7C. As we waited in a safe spot we got word that the HYDRA gang was tearing up the small gang in F7C.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9780141

Word was that after the FC was killed, he stopped giving orders and everyone died. The HYDRA gang chased them to YI and camped them in the station. Meanwhile the FA pilots where trying to get Zagdul on the phone for permission to use carriers. :shock:

Our friend who was in YI said they brought out about 2 carriers to ARMOR rep the ships. Well.....as you can see it didnt work out that well for them...

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9780369

While my group didn't get to shoot any of them, listening what was going on was lulz.

Major props to the HYDRA gang.

redchief
June 24 2011, 05:30:59 AM
So their was a fight in J-O today over a reinforced evoke tech moon. Goons have sov and had a jammer online but that didnt stop Evoke from lighting a few cynos and bringing their super cap fleet in anyways.


http://i.imgur.com/ZySRv.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Zc3Er.png

rank
June 24 2011, 07:59:18 AM
heard rumours that goons offlined the jammer not 10 min before fight
but an overview bug meant that the jammer showed online, yet goon were able to jump in their capitals just before fight happened

Traxio Nacho
June 24 2011, 10:55:48 AM
Were the goon supers already in system long before any fight? Otherwise how did they get in (unless there was a bridge there)

Love the reply from the GM about reimbursement :D

Helen
June 24 2011, 12:10:50 PM
Haha broken EvE best EvE.

Phatstabley
June 24 2011, 12:55:34 PM
Could have sworn this happened in Pure Blind.

Nice kills.

FatFreddy
June 24 2011, 02:36:41 PM
heard rumours that goons offlined the jammer not 10 min before fight
but an overview bug meant that the jammer showed online, yet goon were able to jump in their capitals just before fight happened

Not an overview bug.

Incarna introduced a new feature: Being able to cyno into cynojammed systems anyway.

redchief
June 24 2011, 06:21:42 PM
Were the goon supers already in system long before any fight? Otherwise how did they get in (unless there was a bridge there)

Love the reply from the GM about reimbursement :D

Goon SCs jumped in the day before about 1 minute before the jammer came online (I jumped my Nyx in w/ them). An no, Goons did not cycle the jammer. Directorate/cap FCs made it very clear that once the jammer was onlined there would be no more caps coming into system.

Pure Blind / Cloud Ring...close enough as its all in the space between Fountain and Deklein.

ROX Genghis
June 24 2011, 09:09:13 PM
So anyone know what actually happened in J-OK0C with the GSF Titan and Aeon going down? I've seen GSF claim exploit because a cynojammer was online when the cyno was lit. I've seen NCdot claim exploit because GSF had onlined multiple cynojammers, but that killing one of them allowed the cyno to light anyway. GMs have repaired the stations but I haven't heard if the Titan/Aeon kill are getting reimbursed. Also nothing from CCP so far (not surprising).

Any data is welcome.

Helen
June 25 2011, 02:36:00 AM
No word and even if you do hear anything unless its from a CCP employee how can you tell its true or not.

Helen
June 25 2011, 02:36:44 AM
Were the goon supers already in system long before any fight? Otherwise how did they get in (unless there was a bridge there)

Love the reply from the GM about reimbursement :D

Goon SCs jumped in the day before about 1 minute before the jammer came online (I jumped my Nyx in w/ them). An no, Goons did not cycle the jammer. Directorate/cap FCs made it very clear that once the jammer was onlined there would be no more caps coming into system.

Pure Blind / Cloud Ring...close enough as its all in the space between Fountain and Deklein.

Well that and Outer Ring and Syndicate but why beat around the bush.

Garst Tyrell
June 25 2011, 02:37:21 AM
No word and even if you do hear anything unless its from a CCP employee how can you tell its true or not.

in the end all that matters isnt the killmail but if those goons are sitting in their supers, one way or another

Helen
June 25 2011, 02:39:20 AM
No word and even if you do hear anything unless its from a CCP employee how can you tell its true or not.

in the end all that matters isnt the killmail but if those goons are sitting in their supers, one way or another

Like I said unless its confirmed reimbursement then Goons can troll you one way or the other.

LoKiPP
June 29 2011, 03:32:43 AM
we lost a titan lolololol.

Grarr Dexx
June 29 2011, 10:29:31 AM
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboa ... ?id=421472 (https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=421472)

Welp. Any good fights or just a derp?

Ravelin Eb
June 29 2011, 12:54:24 PM
Got bumped as he left shields to blap noobs, goons put up a cyno just before the jammer went online so they could bring in supers afaik.

Bit of a derp by the titan pilot.

LoKiPP
June 29 2011, 05:27:09 PM
It was more of a derp by the FC.

Nordstern
July 2 2011, 03:04:56 AM
Well, we needed the thread anyways.

Any news on PL + RUS reffing east half of Deklein?

redchief
July 3 2011, 10:12:59 PM
The combined forces of NC./Evoke/PL/Raiden/IRC/WN/Ewoks/etc (ie the "we dont like blues but blue to half of Eve 0.0" coalition) are going after CSAAs in DKUK. Jammer is up and without there 100+ supercaps, zealot fleets and hellcate fleets and tengu fleets are failing against the Alpha Maels and substandard goon supercap fleet.

Cydo
July 3 2011, 11:06:27 PM
Lotta kills there recently, fun to see the variety

makenshi
July 4 2011, 09:27:30 AM
yeah was interesting trying to fight off Hellcats, AHacs and tengu fleet at the same time. only thing that let the NC./PL/DRF down was that their fleets seemed to turn up one at a time. We would deal with one fleet and another would turn up to replace them. I doubt we would have held if they had all shown up at once.

Made a small fortune off dropped faction webs though :)

dongbutte
July 5 2011, 05:59:47 AM
More good fights today it seems.

PL/DRF and friends took a station and 2 tech moons. Goons died ,hid in pos, etc.

Skyly
July 5 2011, 01:38:04 PM
The combined forces of NC./Evoke/PL/Raiden/IRC/WN/Ewoks/etc (ie the "we dont like blues but blue to half of Eve 0.0" coalition) are going after CSAAs in DKUK. Jammer is up and without there 100+ supercaps, zealot fleets and hellcate fleets and tengu fleets are failing against the Alpha Maels and substandard goon supercap fleet.

Yesterday, the combined forces of Goons/TEST/FA/TNT/Mostly Harmless/Gentlemen's Agreement/Get Off My Lawn/etc (ie the "we made our name by blobbing but hate it when anyone can match our numbers" coalition) tried to form up a fleet to do stuff in VFK. They didn't have their 20 supercaps + a jammer in system, so their Maelstrom / Scorpion fleet got dismantled by a Raiden. AHAC and ev0ke Tengu fleet.

http://EVEolution.de/brdoc/?tiny=10082488

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10082488


Edit (actual content):

Ev0ke were playing with a Goon fleet that was forming in VFK (the Goon staging system). Goons gathered around 250 people to ev0ke's 150. Ev0ke batphoned Raidendot who quickly jumped in to AHACs and formed on a Titan, ready to bridge.

Ev0ke engaged the Goon fleet, taking a few losses whilst Raidendot bridged in to the system next door and jumped through. Both Raiden and ev0ke lost a fair few Hictors / dictors in the initial tackle, but once all the Logistics were on the field + setup their losses slowed right down. From then on Goons steadily lost ships, killing very few in return. When Goons eventually bailed they still had roughly 30-40 ships stuck in bubbles which were quickly dispatched.

The fight was practically lag free (over 500 in local).
Final killboard numbers show roughly 290 Goons vs 240 Raiden/ev0ke.

Hydro
July 6 2011, 12:00:57 AM
Yesterday, the combined forces of Goons/TEST/FA/TNT/Mostly Harmless/Gentlemen's Agreement/Get Off My Lawn/etc (ie the "we made our name by blobbing but hate it when anyone can match our numbers" coalition) tried to form up a fleet to do stuff in VFK. They didn't have their 20 supercaps + a jammer in system, so their Maelstrom / Scorpion fleet got dismantled by a Raiden. AHAC and ev0ke Tengu fleet.

Out of curiosity, where is get off my lawn living now?

Desolator
July 6 2011, 01:04:34 AM
Out of curiosity, where is get off my lawn living now?

They have some stations in Pure Blind

Sponk
July 6 2011, 03:17:34 PM
Status update? Any resistance in PB at all?

Sponk
July 9 2011, 01:53:19 PM
http://t.co/tHqneUJ how utterly wretched
http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/07/spy-for-quote-of-week.html


2011-07-09 03:19:00
Cold Vendetta
Northern Coalition.

Mostly Harmless's Future ----- Northern Coalition. -----

So it seems that the winds have turned in the north tonight Myself and Wicked sat with the leader of Mostly harmess for 6 hours and the following deal has been reached.

MH will drop all sov to our coalition and it will be tcu'd by Ev0ke and there pets effective tomorrow.

MH will be Neutral to most parties in our coalition including NCdot and during big engagements will not be engaged by NCdot PL RDN Ev0ke/pets.

MH outside of that is fair game this does not mean we will hunt them it means they will be neutral to us and if you see them roaming you may shoot them for 'good fights'.

We do not want anymore blues but MH will stay in the area and help to remove goons... all this means is alot less sov warfare .

Cheers boys and girls that is all.
And Thank you Wicked for sitting through the long conversation with me.
Sort/Cold

fng
July 16 2011, 10:39:55 PM
Why no updates? Where should I go for updates on dek?

zergl
July 16 2011, 11:02:10 PM
The Northern thread on Kugus is quite active, but mostly full of badposting/trolling about who's blobbing who and :smug: (i.e. what you'd expect from the average Kugus thread) and a horrible signal/noise ratio.

In the meantime, have the latest SOTG: http://soundcloud.com/miah-1-1/sotg-15-jul-2011

And the kb link of an apparent PL welp in VFK earlier: https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_battle.php?start_time=2011-07-16%2017:24:00&end_time=2011-07-16%2018:29:00&system=VFK-IV
Word on Kugus is that there's a bunch of PL supercaps thoroughly rapecaged.

Can't recall seeing proper BRs so far.

redchief
July 17 2011, 05:43:09 AM
And the kb link of an apparent PL welp in VFK earlier: https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_battle.php?start_time=2011-07-16%2017:24:00&end_time=2011-07-16%2018:29:00&system=VFK-IV
Word on Kugus is that there's a bunch of PL supercaps thoroughly rapecaged.


When you have 300ish Maelstroms, it doesn't matter how many logistics you bring. As to trapped supers, Raiden suicided the remnants of their supcap fleet into the bubbles on their pos so they could get there supers out. I think PL has 6 or 8 supers left trapped.

Smuggo
July 18 2011, 11:17:23 AM
Aside from the attempt to SBU VFK I don't think a whole lot has happened since MM and RZR left. I wasn't on the SBU op but did go for the rescue op with NCdot but not much to tell really. Was laggy as hell, maelstroms everywhere, we got the bubbles down and got home with minimal casualties for the NCdot/Merciless fleet despite most of the Guardians being unable to cycle reps or even move most of the time.

Skyly
July 18 2011, 01:51:47 PM
Reporting on the overall picture is pretty difficult at the moment as each attacking entity is working on Reinforcing stuff seperately (for the most part). They are only really coming together for major ops.

Word is -Mostly Spaceless- have now dropped out of the war entirely (As L2E apparently stole 190b from their wallet) and are moving to Curse.
Other than that Goons haven't really been fighting over timers that aren't deep USTZ or under cyno jammers with Supercap support.

Only other major event was VFK this weekend. The system, plus a couple of other important ones, got SBUd and reinforced on Friday. All the reinforcement timers landed squarely in USTZ (0100 > 0500) - props to the Goon Infrastructure/POS managers. Most attacking Supers logged off in system in preparation for the weekend.
Goons got pretty mad and camped the system with 350 - 1000 (depending on timezone) 23.5/7 - they reinforced and rapecaged all POS's (including my Pony themed one :( ) and saved all their own shit.
There were a couple of Breakout ops that managed to bust out all supers (except a handful of PL ones, which they probably didn't want anyway) at the cost of maybe 2 to 300 subcaps total plus our staging POS's, which are all dead by now. No supercaps have been lost (so far).

filingo
July 18 2011, 02:02:16 PM
as a new rus rus member and a regular derp roamer branch and dek have been fun recently.

the goons who live next door to branch are FSP-banderlogs who are also russian and have been roaming/roamed into. the main event of note was them welping a hel (a dumb as fuck hel) who was attacking anything that came into his system. he seemed to have a boner for killing our derpo fleet (with no fucking dictors) one evening and gleefully chased my cane around for 40 minutes. dictors came in and tackled him, one did a great job and the other just slowboated into the hel and exploded. well done mate.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10136836

luckily however the hel decided that attacking things on gates was still a good idea and got popped the next day

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10141164

other little spats and fun explosions from people roaming, pretty cool tbh.

Lady Spank
July 18 2011, 03:01:02 PM
Awesome Hel

redchief
July 18 2011, 07:00:43 PM
So Pandemic Legion (aka Pathetic Legion according to their KB banner) came to VFK this morning (yes its morning in California still) with a 50ish man hellcat fleet to try break their supers out.

They all died.

https://killboard.goonfleet.com/battles/2064

Goons never said we don't blob. We just ridicule our enemies who do blob while saying they don't.

zergl
July 18 2011, 07:17:47 PM
Goons never said we don't blob. We just ridicule our enemies who do blob while saying they don't.

Sorry, but this "lololol PLEVOKERAIDENCDOT are hypocrites for blobbing and we're all dieing of irony overload" is really tiresome when the clusterfuck definition of them blobbing is apparently "(barely) matching clusterfuck numbers".

Feel free to ridicule them for being blobbers when/if they call the whole DRF to their help and Goons+Friends are actually getting blobbed, but until then, this kind of flamebait should stay on kugus where they troll the northern thread by ten pages a day about this bullshit.

Rudolf Miller
July 18 2011, 07:49:34 PM
Sorry, but this "lololol PLEVOKERAIDENCDOT are hypocrites for blobbing and we're all dieing of irony overload" is really tiresome when the clusterfuck definition of them blobbing is apparently "(barely) matching clusterfuck numbers".

Feel free to ridicule them for being blobbers when/if they call the whole DRF to their help and Goons+Friends are actually getting blobbed, but until then, this kind of flamebait should stay on kugus where they troll the northern thread by ten pages a day about this bullshit.

10 pages a day at 50 posts a page :psyduck:

it's really why i quit going to kugs.. i couldnt keep up anymore

Nordstern
July 18 2011, 08:38:37 PM
Sorry, but this "lololol PLEVOKERAIDENCDOT are hypocrites for blobbing and we're all dieing of irony overload" is really tiresome when the clusterfuck definition of them blobbing is apparently "(barely) matching clusterfuck numbers".

Feel free to ridicule them for being blobbers when/if they call the whole DRF to their help and Goons+Friends are actually getting blobbed, but until then, this kind of flamebait should stay on kugus where they troll the northern thread by ten pages a day about this bullshit. I guess the best way out of this is to not talk about numbers at all. Failing that, simply state the number of combatants and try not to editorialize.

lazydane
July 18 2011, 09:49:56 PM
Ye i wanted to avoid that massive thread on kugu,, someone wanna explain breifly whats been going on the past few days,, esp in VFK. I hear some chat about pl supers being rape changed, etc etc

Sponk
July 19 2011, 12:34:34 AM
1. Goons cyno-jam key systems
2. reds try to fight goons with subcaps; lose often
3. reds take down jammer in vfk; sneak in supercap fleet
4. goons go on a rapecage spree and bottle the supers up in their staging POSes
5. more battles
6. reds trying to get supers out; some die.

filingo
July 19 2011, 09:39:30 AM
as a reprisal for their terribly fitted hel the goons have stuck back and killed a horribly fit WN hel

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10184281

space means nothing

tech means nothing

all that matters is hel

which side will run out of shit fit hel's first?

TOTALHELDEATH

(i assume that the fleet titan bridged out of vfk to the last system in dek and then jumped through and pew pew'd him)

Surveyor
July 19 2011, 10:00:25 AM
Won'T be a long conflict then, there are like ... 14 Hels in all of EVE ? :psyccp:

Rhaegor Stormborn
July 19 2011, 01:55:42 PM
1. Goons cyno-jam key systems
2. reds try to fight goons with subcaps; lose often
3. reds take down jammer in vfk; sneak in supercap fleet
4. goons go on a rapecage spree and bottle the supers up in their staging POSes
5. more battles
6. reds trying to get supers out; some die.

No supers died.

Smuggo
July 21 2011, 11:09:10 AM
Battalreport incoming.

Merciless has just reset most of the blues we had left over from the somewhat lameduck war against the NC. As a result we took out an armour hac fleet of around 30 into pure blind to see what we could find. As we were just leaving UMI, one of our forward scouts reported a Solar Wing/Fleet shield gang of about 40 in Fade, heading towards ROIR in Pure Blind.

As we arrived in G95 they had us scouted and had bubbled the gate in ROIR and setup 30km off. Knowing we were at a mobility disadvantage FC ordered fleet to anchor up on the gate. They were ballsy and quickly decided to burn to the gate and jump into us. We quickly took down their two basilisks and rapier before focusing on DPS ships as our jammers keep the Scimitars out of action.

As the enemy gang started to pull range we anchored up on our damnation and followed, Solar kept on fighting rather run for quite some time, and we lost a couple of lighter tanked ships at this point but our reps were holding well and they bailed once we'd removed around two thirds of their guys. Props to them to staying in the fight as long as they did.

http://www.merciless-alliance.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=26278

Not on the BR are our Guardians (6 total) and their Scimitars (4 total).

Badboy K
July 23 2011, 04:56:22 PM
Goon aeon down in Vfk: http://kb.raidenalliance.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=26125

many pl supers got out, gf

Badboy K
July 24 2011, 05:05:29 PM
goon Nyx + Wyvern down in YA0-XJ ; mittani dies also in his thanny, gf

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10225417

Nordstern
July 24 2011, 10:46:43 PM
troll or not?

2011-07-24 [13:42:34] shadoo > contract is over
2011-07-24 [19:43:54] shadoo > goon contract will cost you 900bill + every lost supercap from PL will be reimburst by drf. also 75% of all tech moons will be PL for 3 month after taking
2011-07-24 [19:45:20] silentdogder > thats madness. go fuck yourselfs we dont pay our piece for that one.
2011-07-24 [19:50:01] shadoo > red alliance and renters are restetted, cynohics are on their way to ra space
2011-07-24 [19:50:34] silentdogder > bring it on

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10228406

rojomojo915
July 25 2011, 02:39:03 PM
2011-07-24 [13:42:34] shadoo > contract is over
2011-07-24 [19:43:54] shadoo > goon contract will cost you 900bill + every lost supercap from PL will be reimburst by drf. also 75% of all tech moons will be PL for 3 month after taking
2011-07-24 [19:45:20] silentdogder > thats madness. go fuck yourselfs we dont pay our piece for that one.
2011-07-24 [19:50:01] shadoo > red alliance and renters are restetted, cynohics are on their way to ra space
2011-07-24 [19:50:34] silentdogder > bring it on

Shouldnt the terms have been agreed to before the contract was done? Silly RA

DevilDude
July 25 2011, 09:56:29 PM
Shouldnt the terms have been agreed to before the contract was done? Silly RAI'm way more surprised that RA would be paying the contract against goonswarm. Historically they've had no better friends, even the other russians weren't particularly supportive during the drone region war with ED/IRC, I know, I was there, it was entirely the goons that saved their ass that time.

Helen
July 25 2011, 11:04:28 PM
I'm way more surprised that RA would be paying the contract against goonswarm. Historically they've had no better friends, even the other russians weren't particularly supportive during the drone region war with ED/IRC, I know, I was there, it was entirely the goons that saved their ass that time.

Except RA now is not what RA was then.

Nordstern
July 25 2011, 11:52:07 PM
Looks like it's not a fluke.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10235595

DevilDude
July 26 2011, 01:21:57 AM
Except RA now is not what RA was then.
I was under the impression that the RA of today was the same basic group that the goons bailed out and installed in ED's home after they managed to lose their space to a coalition or atlas aggro. and their own former allies? I know that much of what made up the original RA is now in xix and Solar Fleet.

Helen
July 26 2011, 08:21:33 AM
Well Goons absorbed certain corps from RA too. Just because something was one way once doesn't mean it holds true forever anyway, everything burns.

Dirk Magnum
August 3 2011, 03:18:07 AM
No, you get off OUR lawn. RvB tours nullsec, encounters hilarity (http://bluerep.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10297075) in G-M.

Jester
August 4 2011, 09:29:13 PM
No, you get off OUR lawn. RvB tours nullsec, encounters hilarity (http://bluerep.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10297075) in G-M.
Wow. You managed to kill a flock of T1 fit Thrashers, losing only one ship worth half the enemy fleet's total value, and it only took you a 3-1 advantage in numbers and 40-1 advantage in ISK value to do it?

Cool story, bro.

Sponk
August 5 2011, 12:17:56 AM
TBH that's not nearly enough Thrashers to alpha stuff up.

20 in the gang or reship into something else.

Sponk
August 10 2011, 09:45:08 PM
Looks like Mittens has flagged Pure Blind as next on the reconquista agenda.

Setting their sights high, I see...

Jester
August 11 2011, 12:38:56 AM
[citation needed]

Got a post to c/p or a link or something?

Sponk
August 11 2011, 12:44:07 AM
Am ashamed to say I read it here (http://www.eve-news.com/2011/08/10/goon-ceo-update-reconquista-begins/).

zangorus
August 15 2011, 02:02:19 PM
Agony empire in J-C are fun to pvp against.

Bacchanalian
December 1 2011, 05:15:41 PM
Lulzing at Gentleman's Whatever. We took out a lolcombatoneiros fleet with about 8 lolneiros, 2 Arazus and a couple of dictors+inty. They respond with ~30, 4 Rooks, 5 Scimitars, and ~20 Hurricanes. And they make us jump into them. We manage to lose a couple jumping in and we jump back out. They jump bridge around and attempt to camp us in, so we call in our second fleet that was roaming lowsec to come uncamp us with their ~10 BCs and some light tackle. Gents promptly jump bridge back to their home system the moment they see the second fleet and cuddle up in their POS smacking. Didn't want that fight anyway (and to be fair, the shinies that the lowsec incursion fleet dropped on our way home were far better--thanks Grath Telkin among others for the lovely drops). :D

Cassius Longinus
December 2 2011, 04:46:20 PM
Ya, I'm not going to bother with them anymore. Scaredy-Badz. I miss F-A, who would fight us.

Aloe
December 3 2011, 06:07:09 PM
Ya, I'm not going to bother with them anymore. Scaredy-Badz. I miss F-A, who would fight us.

My first time in Pure Blind and yeah FA were def cool dudes last night. *respek knuckles*

Cassius Longinus
December 4 2011, 11:19:30 PM
Now that our KB is kinda stabilized from the crucible release, I think >This battlereport is now correct (http://rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=62009)<.

We went out to Pureblind on blob-friday as all our local blob targets looked not good (and TEST haven't been fighting us much in Fountain lately). The original idea was to head out to EC-, since people were apparently camping there, but the monkeypocket was showing some bubbles on map so we detoured.

As we got down to the pocket, there was like a 10 man gang dinking around, which we threw bait at, but didn't get anywhere with, so we moved all our numbers in and started to poke about. We were just about to head out when we got a roughly 60 man bump in their bridge system next door, so we decided this was our fight and warped to their ingate @50, aligned back to star.

What proceeded was a nice 7 minute fight where they were unable to really land tackle/dps on our (mostly) teir3 gang. They hopped off to planet 1, and our rapier followed (:sakura:) where he got ripped up as we landed... This began a really weird running engagement where they would warp planet to planet, redboxing for a second, then warping off to leave stragglers which we cleaned up. About halfway through this game, they DID manage to get us landing @0 with them, and I expected things to get dirty quickly, but they warped off rather than leverage their advantage.

About a half hour of this all and all, which, I want to thank them for. GF!

I do have one question if anyone is reading from the FA/monkeys crew: What was the thinking on painters on your scimis? pure BNC? I dig on the painters nowdays, and always try to comp a rapier, but I don't think I like the idea of agressing all my logis for it. I put a "scoutmod" on our killboard just to discourage logi aggression, though some people still do it because of ~battleclinic~.

-c

(this is just a stand-in BR, btw, I didn't FC this)

Caldrion Dosto
December 5 2011, 01:34:17 PM
Now that our KB is kinda stabilized from the crucible release, I think >This battlereport is now correct (http://rotekapelle.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=62009)<.

We went out to Pureblind on blob-friday as all our local blob targets looked not good (and TEST haven't been fighting us much in Fountain lately). The original idea was to head out to EC-, since people were apparently camping there, but the monkeypocket was showing some bubbles on map so we detoured.

As we got down to the pocket, there was like a 10 man gang dinking around, which we threw bait at, but didn't get anywhere with, so we moved all our numbers in and started to poke about. We were just about to head out when we got a roughly 60 man bump in their bridge system next door, so we decided this was our fight and warped to their ingate @50, aligned back to star.

What proceeded was a nice 7 minute fight where they were unable to really land tackle/dps on our (mostly) teir3 gang. They hopped off to planet 1, and our rapier followed (:sakura:) where he got ripped up as we landed... This began a really weird running engagement where they would warp planet to planet, redboxing for a second, then warping off to leave stragglers which we cleaned up. About halfway through this game, they DID manage to get us landing @0 with them, and I expected things to get dirty quickly, but they warped off rather than leverage their advantage.

About a half hour of this all and all, which, I want to thank them for. GF!

I do have one question if anyone is reading from the FA/monkeys crew: What was the thinking on painters on your scimis? pure BNC? I dig on the painters nowdays, and always try to comp a rapier, but I don't think I like the idea of agressing all my logis for it. I put a "scoutmod" on our killboard just to discourage logi aggression, though some people still do it because of ~battleclinic~.

-c

(this is just a stand-in BR, btw, I didn't FC this)



If im not mistaken in Crusiable repping gives u agression so it wont matter if they agress or not with painters, ie for jumping out etc.

Sparkus Volundar
December 5 2011, 02:24:32 PM
If im not mistaken in Crusiable repping gives u agression so it wont matter if they agress or not with painters, ie for jumping out etc.

I'd not heard of that. If you are not sure, it's possible you were thinking of the following thing in the patch notes:


The aggression timer for combat has been changed. When logging off in space with PVP aggression, the ship will be removed from space 15 minutes after log-off, or 15 minutes after the most-recent aggressive act against the ship, whichever is the latest.

Daneel Trevize
December 5 2011, 02:33:25 PM
More likely it's the fact that in highsec, modules that would transfer you aggression from someone (i.e. GCC getting an incursion public fleet concordokken) will stop cycling before doing so, such that you'd have to manually start them again to carry the aggression.

That and/or maybe the change that interdictors launching bubbles is now an act of aggression rather than only when someone tries to warp from within said bubble.

Caldrion Dosto
December 5 2011, 06:27:47 PM
Actually what i meant was the change to Dictors (and i think to logis but need to check it out) if they drop a bubble on a gate they will be aggroed and cant jump.

I think this applies to repps to, but i need to digg up where i read/heard/imagined it from.


EDIT: Canīt find anything about such a change so i must have hallucinated been drunk or something, so i retract my comments.

Takon Orlani
December 6 2011, 02:43:12 AM
I think the mechanic gives kill rights as in high sec immunity to concord for shooting neutral rr.

Or not.

Zeekar
December 8 2011, 12:43:12 AM
Cross posting from our corp forums:

We had a gang of around 18 strong with even one dictor this time! First we travelled to PF- where we found, to our surprise, an empty undock. Since this baffled me we continued to 6NJ8 where we also proceeded to find dick all. I order the fleet to Deklein after this since there was no chance of us getting zero fights today. First stop was K5F where fatal asencion proved to their reputation by even after 20 min of local smack talk and station camping they decided they really don't want to fight us.
We did however kill a noctis:

http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9764

I got fed up with this so we decided next stop is vfk. Thankfully on the way there we found a 20 man TNT/Goon gang which surprisingly didnt manage to kill nobody from our team but we did manage to kill 8 of them.

http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9772

Including one of the most bizarre fit gila i have ever seen:

http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9772

Gf were exchanged in local.

After that we go to VFK where the local was at quite high 100 people when we jumped in. Our scout didn't report any gangs to be seen but still goon landed on the gate as soon as we jumped trough. They had around 30 people at this point there. Some how they didn't manage to tackle any body except me in the beginning and focused fire on me as well. Rest of the gang bailed out and i managed to get out in 60% structure after some creative overloading.
We then positioned in one safe spot where i received much needed shield and armour love. Since we knew they are probing us and their gang increased in size to around 45-50 people now we kept aligned to a celestial and soon enough goons landed and the fight was on.
The first victim was this poor drake that first landed on grid:

http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9769

We kept burning they kept coming on after and exchanging shots. Most of the enemies died when we focused fire but a few of the drakes didn't. Honestly fuck drakes. At one point we were too far away from their blob and couldn't break them when a rouge Arazu landed on us. His demise was quick and painful:

http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9778

Almost in the same moment as he exploded a cerberus landed 30km away from us. His fate was quite similar:

http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9789

In that moment from the looks of it they decided they will go and reship so they bailed from grid. We decided that we will warp on the few remaining stragglers. The naga, rifter, manticore and the falcon never managed to regroup with their friends. The naga was especially lol worthy.

http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9788

Shortly after this goons went in local: HONOUR FIGHT AT THE SUN!
We happily obliged.

First warpin we managed to kill:
Hurricane, trasher, scimitar and a talos.

Goons bailed and rewarped back to us. At that point Pavor decided that he will burn with his vaga straight into them and die. Brave but pointless and stupid.

http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9785

Their reps held and we couldn't kill any body at that time. The luckiest was the drake Androcoles who got saved by their logistic pilots in 40% structure. We bounced to their station and then decided we are going home. Goons saw this and decided they will camp our out gate. For that they lost a lachesis and the hero drake from earlier.

http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9790

Goons bail to the 200.000k away station and we bailed to a near by belt and then decided to go home. We proceeded to jump out when we heard a cry on coms from no other then our dear Angel HUN:
Err guys im tackled by a rifter.

http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9783

We tried saving his sorry ass but we were sadly late. The way home was uneventful.

Total battlereport for this fight:

http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9790


Note:

What the fuck was our dictor doing?

Sponk
December 19 2011, 12:14:34 AM
Sup. Goons annexing Pola- uh, Branch?

Badboy K
December 19 2011, 11:16:35 AM
http://kb2.lawnalliance.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=31385

seems like they are serious lol

kyrieee
December 19 2011, 01:36:14 PM
http://kb2.lawnalliance.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=31385

seems like they are serious lol

Wat, they're killing the guns even though the POS is there?
That's kinda funny. "Look at how much DPS we have"

Cippalippus
December 19 2011, 02:24:19 PM
Err guys im tackled by a rifter.

http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9783

wHY IS That naglfar fitting battleship guns?

Silk75
December 19 2011, 03:30:03 PM
Err guys im tackled by a rifter.

http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9783

wHY IS That naglfar fitting battleship guns?

At the risk of being trolled, it's not a Naglfar.

Batolemaeus
December 19 2011, 03:55:38 PM
http://kb2.lawnalliance.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=31385

seems like they are serious lol

Wat, they're killing the guns even though the POS is there?
That's kinda funny. "Look at how much DPS we have"

Standard behaviour ever since you could throw several hundred thousand dps around. You can completely strip a pos leaving the defenders with quite a problem when it comes out.

Garst Tyrell
December 19 2011, 06:36:23 PM
http://kb2.lawnalliance.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=31385

seems like they are serious lol

Wat, they're killing the guns even though the POS is there?
That's kinda funny. "Look at how much DPS we have"

Standard behaviour ever since you could throw several hundred thousand dps around. You can completely strip a pos leaving the defenders with quite a problem when it comes out.

alternately just plan on dropping 20 new guns and fuck repping mods anyway, so not quite a problem at all :p It is a nice F U to kill off the faction mods however

Verite Rendition
December 19 2011, 07:03:19 PM
http://kb2.lawnalliance.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=31385

seems like they are serious lol

Wat, they're killing the guns even though the POS is there?
That's kinda funny. "Look at how much DPS we have"

Standard behaviour ever since you could throw several hundred thousand dps around. You can completely strip a pos leaving the defenders with quite a problem when it comes out.

alternately just plan on dropping 20 new guns and fuck repping mods anyway, so not quite a problem at all :p It is a nice F U to kill off the faction mods howeverI haven't had to do this in a while, but I'm pretty sure you can't anchor new guns while in RF mode. You're only allowed to online guns you already have.

Sponk
December 20 2011, 12:34:16 AM
Why kill guns? Killmails for the killmail throne~

Skyly
December 20 2011, 04:14:57 PM
First battle of the invasion is just starting.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=11941939

According to my sources, it's ~300 WN/RDN/RA vs ~440 Goon/TNT/RZR/TEST/EXE/Convicted/FCON/Black Mark/FA/etc etc.

More info as I get it.


Edit:
Goons jumped in to dead end system (CSAA POSs). In gate was bubbled to fuck with WN/RA set up at range in Artybaddons + RDN ScrubGu's set up a little further out. Fight supposedly looked even on gate, Goons trying to burn from bubbles and Blap Artybaddons at the same time.

Goons warped out (eventually) and got bombed by WN (who lost lots of bombers in return).

Local spam was intense as the battle started but modules cycling as normal. Local has dropped to about 490 since the start of the fight and local spam has now stopped. CSAA POS is repped and stronted - heavy WN losses, but objective protected. Unsure at this stage if there are more CSAA POSs with later timers (seems likely).

smurphy1
December 20 2011, 05:35:17 PM
CSAA POS is repped and stronted - heavy WN losses, but objective protected. Unsure at this stage if there are more CSAA POSs with later timers (seems likely).

Sure about that?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11942341

Skyly
December 20 2011, 06:18:49 PM
CSAA POS is repped and stronted - heavy WN losses, but objective protected. Unsure at this stage if there are more CSAA POSs with later timers (seems likely).

Sure about that?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11942341

Unknown as happened after I left work. AFAIK Goons were shooting CSAAs with no builds in progress when I left. Cannot confirm though, as not WN.

In other news, WN appears to have lost a Nyx in B-G. It appears to have only had a cloak fitted, so it looks like borked CSMA launch to me. (EDIT: Apparently he accepted gang invite and was warped off POS :facepalm:)
http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/612895


Edit: Apparently control of field was lost after Round 1. A Single POS was reffed and restronted, others died. Unknown whether they were building or not.

smurphy1
December 20 2011, 08:25:19 PM
Second confirmed CSAA popped. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11942998

No word on if any of these were in build. There was one Nyx that was built recently and was destroyed after it was ejected from the CSMA and warped on the goon fleet. No word if this was from one of the destroyed CSAAs.

Garst Tyrell
December 21 2011, 02:08:42 AM
http://kb2.lawnalliance.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=31385

seems like they are serious lol

Wat, they're killing the guns even though the POS is there?
That's kinda funny. "Look at how much DPS we have"

Standard behaviour ever since you could throw several hundred thousand dps around. You can completely strip a pos leaving the defenders with quite a problem when it comes out.

alternately just plan on dropping 20 new guns and fuck repping mods anyway, so not quite a problem at all :p It is a nice F U to kill off the faction mods howeverI haven't had to do this in a while, but I'm pretty sure you can't anchor new guns while in RF mode. You're only allowed to online guns you already have.

unless this was changed in crucible which I doubt, you can definitely anchor and online new guns during reinforce. the caveat is that you cant ammo the guns until they are online, which is kind of a pain in the ass. very useful when some alliance with a million supercaps incaps everything on your pos and you dont want to spend 3 hours triage repping what it took them 20 mins to incap. With the new 5 second anchor times I cant see myself ever repping a pos gun again unless I was bored or wanted to beautify my pos.

Honestly now that I think about it with 5 second anchor times may as well do what goons do and go for a 18-20 hardener set up, and drop all the guns after the pos is RF and the enemy probably wont care enough to come back and incap all the guns before the fight goes down.

EDIT: So are there going to be any fights ? Honestly if I was WN and saw (267) Maelstrom on a battle report id not be very tempted to go for a "good fight" either

Kerc Kasha
December 21 2011, 02:28:54 AM
First battle of the invasion is just starting.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=11941939

According to my sources, it's ~300 WN/RDN/RA vs ~440 Goon/TNT/RZR/TEST/EXE/Convicted/FCON/Black Mark/FA/etc etc.

More info as I get it.


Edit:
Goons jumped in to dead end system (CSAA POSs). In gate was bubbled to fuck with WN/RA set up at range in Artybaddons + RDN ScrubGu's set up a little further out. Fight supposedly looked even on gate, Goons trying to burn from bubbles and Blap Artybaddons at the same time.

Goons warped out (eventually) and got bombed by WN (who lost lots of bombers in return).

Local spam was intense as the battle started but modules cycling as normal. Local has dropped to about 490 since the start of the fight and local spam has now stopped. CSAA POS is repped and stronted - heavy WN losses, but objective protected. Unsure at this stage if there are more CSAA POSs with later timers (seems likely).

Actually that'd be the second battle there was a slightly smaller one earlier (was around 300 goons vs. 200 WN/RA/RDN)

Nordstern
December 24 2011, 03:20:45 PM
http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=62612

Did this guy get two-volleyed?

depili
December 24 2011, 04:55:47 PM
http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=62612

Did this guy get two-volleyed?

with the top maels doing around 20k of damage after resists I would say 3 volleys...

Smuggo
December 24 2011, 07:11:01 PM
See goons have the three stations nearest to Deklein now. Have WN really put up a fight or are they just gonna failcascade in the face of the alpha blob?

Garst Tyrell
December 25 2011, 12:13:01 AM
See goons have the three stations nearest to Deklein now. Have WN really put up a fight or are they just gonna failcascade in the face of the alpha blob?

really not going to fault them losing their space in branch when half of the 0.0 map invades their space

Sponk
December 25 2011, 04:58:42 AM
Shoes on the,other foot for them, then.

DevilDude
December 28 2011, 07:54:33 AM
See goons have the three stations nearest to Deklein now. Have WN really put up a fight or are they just gonna failcascade in the face of the alpha blob?

really not going to fault them losing their space in branch when half of the 0.0 map invades their space
eh more like 25% if you're actually counting inhabited space, the CFC controls Deklien, Fountain, Fade, Pureblind and cloud ring (don't think I'm missing anything) If you look at WN and raiden, they control Branch Tenal Vale and Geminate and RA is helping them and I'm not even going to try to count all the regions they have just by themselves, Also should be noted that the Tech appears to be relatively even which means both sides should be able to afford to field whatever they feel like.

It's quite telling when you look at the superior coordination displayed by the CFC, they're simply more organized as a bloc power than WN and their allies. They're hitting hard and in numbers along their invasion corridor, their coms, logistics, and fleet doctrine appear to be highly coordinated, for all their chest beating and silly self aggrandizement the CFC isn't fucking around, they're moving in an organized, well planned blitz, and so far it's working.

That's not to say I believe the goons stated reasons for starting this. It's pretty obvious that they don't really like WN, especially since they fostered BoB's nth offspring and worked with them to off goons former allies in the NC, even if MM came to a bad end it looks like they're still pretty chummy with Razor, not to mention their participation in Billymerc's abortive attempt to headshot goonswarm.

The real tipper was likely the drone Russians suddenly going for each other's throats, I don't know who the DRF would actually support in a war between the CFC and WN but with a Russian civil war in the dronelands the CFC don't have to even worry about it. The current political situation leaves WN basically isolated, they apparently destroyed their own relations with NCDOT somehow, I doubt PL wants anything to do with a subcap slugfest when they can go pick on the drone Russians with impunity. I don't know how long RA will stay north as we can be pretty sure that -A- and Rol will immediately try to take back Catch and Teneferis as soon as RA stops paying attention to them. IRC is going to be sticking to their space and fortifying, not that it matters all that much anyway. Who does that leave? Evoke maybe, the others in that area seem to be either aligned with the southern Russians or mired in local conflicts, and I doubt they'd care anyway.

On top of all this, they've done something you don't want to do when swiming with the sharks in 0.0, they've shown weakness; first they had some fairly serious internal disputes, then they fired Nync (WHY?!?). So now the goons have an isolated enemy on their northern border. One who's actively participated in attempts to destroy them in the past, and now appears to have a broken leg... What do you expect the goons to do? What would you do yourself?

To be Frank I just don't see WN holding this if they can't pull together a few victories, hell, even if they manage that I'm not entirely sure they can stem the tide now.

Logan Feynman
December 28 2011, 11:15:00 AM
Pretty accurate political analysis, DevilDude. Let me help clarify some unknowns.

Nync stopped playing. Dr. Volt and Omeega joined PL and probably left some of their alts in Ab Origines (NYNCD), which is why Nync's corp was booted from WN. Internal drama was blown out of proportion by Horus/Krall Amarr/A PUPPETMASTER, most likely because he didn't get what he wanted. What happened was that WN wanted to have a backup leader should PsixoZZ remain afk from game. People looked up to Nync, he refused (then, soon, stopped playing), then people looked up to Endeva. Horus wanted to be alliance diplo but no one would let him, so he took his corp out of WN and started shooting former alliance mates and blowing up drama out of proportion on Kugu.

As your post correctly states - the political environment was ideal for invading WN, and so was strategical. WN was fully deployed in Catch, and has started deploying to assist Legion of xxDeathxx when the invasion hit. There were never any plans made for invasion of Deklein among any of the relevant players (PsixoZZ, Endeva, Lee ChanKa).

When the invasion hit, all WN combat assets were in HED, including supers. What followed was a focus on logistics in shifting battleships and supers up north. Goons did a wonderful job of using spies and market to make this as difficult as possible - even buying up abaddons in Jita and inflating their price, mass-purchasing stuff from the markets in Branch, and generally making sure WN remains unprepared in Branch for as long as possible.

Goons have been preparing for three months for this, while WN has started preparing when the invasion hit, under fire. It is a bit too early to claim the past week was the best that WN could do and, from WN perspective, it went rather well considering the lack of preparation for defense. The question now are supers. Yesterday goons deployed theirs, then quickly withdrew them as soon as WN supers started logging in. Maybe goons have a hidden stash of titans and motherships and will put them on the field as soon as WN/Raiden/RA put theirs on the line. If not, the subcap superiority of goons could be easily countered by supercap superiority of WN/RDN/RA.

WN membership, at least from my perspective, is pretty much unfazed by this invasion, and the real fights are yet to come, probably after New Year.

Garst Tyrell
December 28 2011, 02:21:05 PM
You quoted me earlier in regards to my exaggeration about "50%" of the eve: fighting 300+ maelstroms, no matter how much physical space they control, is about as shitty as it gets in a subcap fight. Not that fighting a supercap blob is any more fun, but hopefully with the titan doomsdays FINALLY nerfed there might be some actual fights going down instead of one side dropping an IWIN button and surprise all your logi and command ships die every 5 minutes. And yes goons (laz) did that too when they felt cocky so there's no real moral high ground here; you fight to win. Personally im in no rush to throw my head up against a 300 man maelstrom or supercap blob wall again, but then again im not in white noise or goons :)

One thing I have seen the goon bloc do surprisingly well is get themselves, and more impressively their nooby pets, in legitimate maelstrom fleet comps instead of a rampant "can I bring my armageddon?" situation. They've been doing this well for quite a well now, so kudos to their coordinators. When you look at a goon naplist which is probably (?) the largest or arguably most effective in the game right now, its no joke. Fighting a mega blob is always going to suffer this problem, but fighting fleet comps based around massive alpha is particularly unfun because it basically negates player skill on the defending ship by simply making the enemy vanish in a perfect scenario. Forming up, traveling out to a big battle and then watching your ship vanish in seconds is not fun. vOv Play to win


As for WN's ability to defend I cant really say, but even without the drf civil war I find it very unlikely the drone regions would have helped WN. As far as I can remember from taking down the nc the drf aside from raiden and wn who had a vested interest in branch/tenal never went north of vale. Once they got what they wanted they stopped and left it up to the others to claim their own rewards.

Jarnis
December 29 2011, 08:13:55 PM
I guess things are heating up in Branch... from K.com thread:



rdn/ra/wn just jumped 77 titans in HB7R


http://imageshack.us/f/198/wtf77titans.jpg/

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1112/2011.12.29.19.18.40.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16151939/2011.12.29.19.12.12.jpg


(also reports of another 45 titans from NCDOT/PL)

Buying popcorn futures...

Garst Tyrell
December 29 2011, 08:33:58 PM
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12007446

well red alliance supporting with supers and subcaps, I was wrong about all of the drf not caring enough to intervene. Though its hard to judge commitment from one instant of a battle

Liptonez
December 30 2011, 03:00:10 AM
Well that is an assload of titans.

One can only hope they all die.

lt
December 30 2011, 08:36:31 AM
I'm hoping for a slaughter of capital ships, on both sides!

Skyly
December 30 2011, 11:14:56 AM
Quick BR from last night. Sorry it's half-assed, turned up to the op late because of work :(


Supers were deployed now that Christmas is over and our numbers are starting to return to normal.
We jumped in with WN/RA and held until WN let us know they were done repping.
Once done there, we left to head to Vale to stomp on a TEST fleet there. Most of them escaped, so we only killed 30 ships or so (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12009054) between us and INIT (temp blue for the 1 fight).

We found out from our sources that Goons had returned to the field and were hitting on RA/WN supers still on the field, so we started to return to Branch. WN/RA lost a fair few carriers, but supers were holding up to the 4 Goonswarm fleets. Goons also got a good bombing run off on WN subcaps. Goons retreated as soon as it was clear there weren't going to be any super kills and the RDN Supers started logging back in, so we didn't get to shoot them :-(.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12007226

Varcaus
December 30 2011, 08:57:45 PM
Quick BR from last night. Sorry it's half-assed, turned up to the op late because of work :(


Supers were deployed now that Christmas is over and our numbers are starting to return to normal.
We jumped in with WN/RA and held until WN let us know they were done repping.
Once done there, we left to head to Vale to stomp on a TEST fleet there. Most of them escaped, so we only killed 30 ships or so (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12009054) between us and INIT (temp blue for the 1 fight).

We found out from our sources that Goons had returned to the field and were hitting on RA/WN supers still on the field, so we started to return to Branch. WN/RA lost a fair few carriers, but supers were holding up to the 4 Goonswarm fleets. Goons also got a good bombing run off on WN subcaps. Goons retreated as soon as it was clear there weren't going to be any super kills and the RDN Supers started logging back in, so we didn't get to shoot them :-(.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12007226

Looking like WN is getting faceraped

Silver Chair
January 3 2012, 02:29:35 PM
So is WN putting up any kind of defense yet? Looking at Dolan it looks like They are just getting rolled over.

Jarnis
January 3 2012, 06:13:46 PM
So is WN putting up any kind of defense yet? Looking at Dolan it looks like They are just getting rolled over.

Based on the thread on K.com, it seems like one-sided structure blow up party at this point. The only open question is will WN evac/cascade away or will there be some kind of a last stand at one of the remaining stations.

Malcanis
January 3 2012, 06:29:50 PM
Pretty sure they're planning the -A- defence (retreat to Venal, wait for goons to install pets and go somewhere else)

Badboy K
January 3 2012, 06:39:08 PM
Pretty sure they're planning the -A- defence (retreat to Venal, wait for goons to install pets and go somewhere else)

There is even some talk about them disbanding

DevilDude
January 4 2012, 12:16:20 AM
according to Horus (I know, I know) the Americans are getting kicked/leaving, and want him to come along as a sugar daddy... Somewhat corroborated by Zagdoul who says some of them told him they'll be leaving regardless. No Idea of the veracity of any of this, but given the recent issues between Russian and US/Euro Corps and their sheer failure at defense I'm betting that the non Russians will probably leave and either form another PL clone ala NCDOT (Blacknoise) or join up with one of those, while the Russians will probably stick together and revert to what they were before they joined up with the DRF, IE another PL clone...

Skyly
January 4 2012, 09:20:05 AM
From what I have heard, WN lost HB7 (on New Years Eve) as all their allies stood down when the WN (Supercap) FC failed to show up.
HB7 was one of White Noise's main staging systems, and I believe there were a large amount of assets stored there.
It will take them a significant amount of time to replace said assets and restage elsewhere, if they are still willing to fight.

kyrieee
January 4 2012, 03:17:22 PM
Pretty sure they're planning the -A- defence (retreat to Venal, wait for goons to install pets and go somewhere else)

Retreating to Venal has proven effective in the past

or not

depili
January 4 2012, 07:02:45 PM
Been in an alliance that retreated to venal three times while I was in it :)

Malcanis
January 4 2012, 10:05:38 PM
Pretty sure they're planning the -A- defence (retreat to Venal, wait for goons to install pets and go somewhere else)

Retreating to Venal has proven effective in the past

or not

Depends on the alliance tbh. If the alliance is an active, aggressive vigorous group with a PvP-orientated membership that simply lost the game of thrones, then regrouping in NPC 0.0 will work out just fine. If it's essentially moribund, with an inactive/incompetent leadership and with no quality control over the membership, then they'll fail and die in the unforgiving environment of NPC 0.0.

I leave the determination of which description applies to WN to you.

Cippalippus
January 5 2012, 09:10:18 AM
according to Horus (I know, I know) the Americans are getting kicked/leaving, and want him to come along as a sugar daddy...

lol good luck with that
I mean EVE pubbies are stupid as hell but this is a pants-on-head level of being fucking stupid

DevilDude
January 5 2012, 09:05:49 PM
according to Horus (I know, I know) the Americans are getting kicked/leaving, and want him to come along as a sugar daddy...

lol good luck with that
I mean EVE pubbies are stupid as hell but this is a pants-on-head level of being fucking stupid
never underestimate the power of human stupidity? Anyway all I was doing was paraphrasing his dumb ass, and you should thank me for not simply quoting his mind bendingly bad grammar.

Skyly
January 9 2012, 05:05:15 PM
Goons have spent the last week or so mopping up Branch since WN lost HB7. White Noise have been primarily focusing on their internal issues and performing some :wulfpax: hotdrops and attacks on the Goon fleets whilst they reinforce stuff.
Here is a quick summary on the main fights from the past week or so:


08/01/12 - 1530
Ev0ke + Ewoks have recently moved over to the Branch area to join in the fun. Yesterday they were baiting goons with a decent sized Draek fleet. We held at a midpoint to see what Goons would do. Goons moved in with a ~350 man Alpha fleet and started to engage Ev0ke.

We cyno'd up and bridged in to the fight with Tengus and started to blap stuff. The lag was horrific. Mods were barely cycling, Logi's were taking 30 seconds plus to lock up a Tengu and reps were not holding. The superior Alpha of the goon doctrine really came into play under the heavy lag and we were losing a fair few Tengus, Scimis and Recons whilst not taking much in return. After around 10-20 minutes of fighting the node froze completely for several minutes and then crashed. According to a CCP Employee in local they were testing Time Dilation which caused the crash. :CCP:

After a very brief spell, the node came back up and seemed to work much more smoothly. We logged back in, regrouped, refleeted and went back in to the fight. In the reduced lag we fared much better, and seemed to actually be able to kill stuff and hold reps. Ev0ke seemed to do worse at this point and started losing Draeks quite rapidly. With the lag reduced, we decided to deploy Supers to the fight to finish off our enemy quickly before they could bring substantial reinforcements to the fight (lag had previously held them up). We dropped the supers on top of the hostile fleet, bubbled up and killed what we could whilst Goons attempted to bail.

After we raped goons there was much chestbeating from them that they won because we dropped supers. Once they'd retreated completely, we pulled the Supers + fleet off field as we had work to do in Vale/Geminate.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12088971
http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=2776


05/01/12 - 1930
Goons had formed for a sov timer in Branch so White Noise decided to run some :wulfpax: action and try and get a fight. They called on us to help, so we formed up and moved in to bridge range. Both us and White Noise were flying Tengus. White Noise decided to engage solo first, but were losing Tengus, so we jumped in to assist. We had ~250 versus ~400 goons. Everything went perfectly. Goons were bubbled at range almost constantly, Tengus were taking down targets at a steady rate, and very few Tengus were dying (Derpers gonna Derp).

Once the majority of the goon fleet was destroyed, the remainder bailed and their FC started pinging like crazy for reinforcements.

We held the field (Loot, <3) and started hitting SBUs whilst we waited to see how many goons would bring back for round 2. Goons started heading back to us with approximately 600+ ships versus our diminished Tengu fleet (we didn't bring in our reshippers). They tried to drop seperate fleets on seperate gates to camp us in system, but one of their fleets warped to the other thinking they had WN to fight, at which point both Tengu fleets left the system and performed a full tactical retreat to much chestbeating Jabber pings from goons. :-P

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=12059811
http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=2777


04/01/12 - 2100
After a day of reinforcing what assets TEST had managed to gain in Vale, one of our FCs formed a fun fleet to go try and pick around the edges of a 300 man goon fleet mopping up timers in Branch. He decided on Rokhs with so he could dodge around the fleet and try to pick off hostiles without losing ships.

We had approximately 100 versus goons 300. We moved to 1 system out of Goons, at which point they manouevred their fleet on both our exit gates and proceeded to camp us in. Deciding he'd had enough, our FC settled on whelping us home. After all, it's not a "Rokh and Roll" fleet unless something gets Rolled :-P. Needless to say, we got raped by 300 Maelstroms when trying to escape. Didn't want those Rokhs anyway etc etc. :-P

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=12054220


02/01/12 - 1830
We were hanging around in Venal when goons decided to hotdrop us. We had Abaddons plus Guardians and triage Archons, so they dropped 20 or so Supercarriers on us along with a sizeable Whelpfleet. Clearly our Triage carriers melted instantly, but the Abaddons were holding quite well against the inferior Cane DPS, even with only our Guardians repping. Goons started to panic when Supers being deployed didn't have the same effect on our morale is it does theirs and immediately started primarying all the dictors and removing them from the field, desperately trying to escape. Unfortunately they were successful and no supercap fights were had but we still obliterated their Whelpfleet whilst they were bailing. :(

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12035504
http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=2778

Silver Chair
January 14 2012, 02:46:23 PM
So looking at the map, looks like the great war... I mean steamroll, is over. Tonal next maybe?

Badboy K
January 20 2012, 10:57:11 PM
Big fight went down in f-9, branch...Raiden, init, evoke, nc. + friends Vs Goons, RZR, FA + friends...local topped at 1300 , around 750 on goon side... Raiden had 35+ titans + sc support and 100 bs Rokh fleet, evoke in drakes; Goons in maels; didn't end well for Goons+friends...kb ATM shows 228 BS dead on Goon side, against 36 on RDN side

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12195238

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo28/glouluck/sssss.gif

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=3345

DaDutchDude
January 21 2012, 01:04:38 AM
Big fight went down in f-9, branch...Raiden, init, evoke, nc. + friends Vs Goons, RZR, FA + friends...local topped at 1300 , around 750 on goon side... Raiden had 35+ titans + sc support and 100 bs Rokh fleet, evoke in drakes; Goons in maels; didn't end well for Goons+friends...kb ATM shows 228 BS dead on Goon side, against 36 on RDN side

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12195238

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo28/glouluck/sssss.gif

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=3345
NCdot getting off the sidelines and picking a side? Interesting :)

Also *lol* tracking Titans!

crazyr2
January 21 2012, 10:33:27 AM
I can't speak for NC. (i'm just a grunt) but things were quiet and it wasn't that far away. Why not?

edit: we were hoping for round 2 with goons, but kb's look blank.

DaDutchDude
January 21 2012, 06:31:36 PM
Looks like round 2 is happening today. Goons committed suicide dreads and supers in fighting a Raiden. fleet heavy on titans in 92D in Venal. Local is at 1400+, one Raiden. titan is down, keep F5-ing, because more stuff will die for sure: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12203172

Edit:
- 1 Goon titan (Leviathan) down as well (seems to have drifted out of a POS), stuff still going on

Edit 2:
- looks like that was about it. I was hoping for more super deaths, but a big cap battle resulting in 2 dead titans and a lot of wrecks is better then just talking about how cool it would be if .... Nice to see the suicide dread fleet working somewhat as expected: a super died, and they (pretty much all) died.

Celedris
January 22 2012, 01:01:50 AM
As someone with no experience in massive supercap fleets, it just strikes me as incredibly bad mechanics that there are fights with 80 supercaps on one side and 30 on the other, and only 1 on each side dies while dreads/carriers/BS/BC die by the bushel.

(I don't care who wins, I just want more supers to die)

DaDutchDude
January 22 2012, 02:36:13 AM
As someone with no experience in massive supercap fleets, it just strikes me as incredibly bad mechanics that there are fights with 80 supercaps on one side and 30 on the other, and only 1 on each side dies while dreads/carriers/BS/BC die by the bushel.

(I don't care who wins, I just want more supers to die)
From what I gather, the titans mostly got killed mostly because of mishaps. The Raiden. titan got bumped on jump-in I believe and ended up 130km away from the main superfleet, meaning he couldn't get reps. The Goon titan got bumped out of a tower (or ejected because of a password reset) and got killed without support. There was also some clever play involved by Goons on their cyno-in. They cyno'd suicide dreads first, so that they caught all the doomsdays from the Raiden. titans, only to cyno in their own supers in after. Soon after the Raiden. titan died, Goon supers got successfully extracted from the battlefield. All in all, I think it should be a clear sign that in somewhat more even supercap slug outs, killing a super isn't so easy.

What's interesting is that TiDi also changes how battles like these work. Previously, people wanted their (super)caps in system so they had a better chance to load safely, instead of having to cyno in. Now it seems that the Goon supers that were already in 92D didn't manage to get into the battle because when they logged in, TiDi had already kicked in, making the time for coming out of e-warp to the spot the logged off at (a safe tower) and aligning to the battle so slow that the Raiden. titan died before they were ready to warp in, so cynoing in seems to become a more efficient option for deploying caps.

Another side effect of TiDi is also that with everything slowed down, in absolute time, it takes much, much longer to recharge cap to a level where you can jump out again. This may also have lead to the Goon titan kill, because it wasn't able to cyno out due to low cap. Two other Goon titans also bumped out of the pos were reported to only make it out while in structure (which makes me wonder wtf the Raiden. + friends bubblers were doing).

DaDutchDude
January 22 2012, 11:33:01 PM
Repost of a battle report of the battle in 92D of yesterday originally posted by a Raiden. pilot on kugu:

Quote Originally Posted by Klasper View Post
Very fun and tense fight going down in 92D tonight. This is a report seen from my point of view, as a titan and triage carrier pilot.

We (Raiden.) formed up at 1700 Eve Time to defend two Technetium POSes which was coming out of reinforcement. Titans, Super Carriers, Abaddon fleets and triage carriers were formed. We set up on the first tower (can't remember the system) without any resistance, but with hundreds of CFC forming and travelling. All eyes set on the second tower in 92D.

We jumped into 92D with our titans, and a single titan got bumped far off (~120km); Huntet Lifeform. CFC were swift and deliberate to spring their trap on Huntet Lifeform, tackling it and opening a cyno, and in poured 50 (?) dreadnoughts. Our titans got dreadnought targets assigned for DD, which many survived (at least the one I was firing at). After the first DD volley CFC escalated with several of their own super capitals.

Titans were ordered to change targets to sub-capitals, letting our Super Carriers work on the remaining dreadnoughts. During the fighting the triage carriers were ordered to triage and repair the tower, securing the POS (and possibly a safe haven for the rest of our titans, given we would lose the battle). CFC managed to bring a second Erebus to around 50% armor, but our armor triage carriers and super carriers managed to keep it alive long enough so it could jump to safety. Additional super capitals and support ships were brought in during the whole fight.

After the fight at the Raiden. POS, we were told to align to the CFC POS, where a CFC ragnarok was outside shield (named Bad Poison, or something). It unfortunately managed to get back inside shield before it died, and a fight against the CFC sub-cap fleet was back on, now at the enemy POS, and again alot of our titans got bumped far off, but was ordered to jump out, recharged and get back in system. During the fighting a CFC Leviathan, Batlovod, got bumped out, whether it was by PL or the CFC Phoenix that logged back in who was the culprit/hero here, I can't say, but never the less it resulted in a very dead leviathan.

The end result of the battle was above all a very intense and fun night!

Ps. Kudos to Huntet Lifeform to come back in an Abbaddon after he lost his Erebus :P

So far today, there were 2 CFC Tech POSses coming out of reinforced, and they were destroyed in very little time by a big Raiden. / titan heavy fleet with no defense by the CFC. One of the Tech moons is supposedly gifted to Init. as reward for their help, and the other one taken by Raiden. Here's one tower KM and a picture of the fleet:
- http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12217918&nolimit
- http://i.imgur.com/gD5WX.jpg

Supposedly though, CFC is currently forming up and there might be some more action tonight.

Edit: Meh, looks like nothing happened but a lot of blue balls and propaganda / trolling about who is blobbing who and how titans are or aren't broken, etc.

Skyly
January 23 2012, 08:59:35 AM
Big fight went down in f-9, branch...Raiden, init, evoke, nc. + friends Vs Goons, RZR, FA + friends...local topped at 1300 , around 750 on goon side... Raiden had 35+ titans + sc support and 100 bs Rokh fleet, evoke in drakes; Goons in maels; didn't end well for Goons+friends...kb ATM shows 228 BS dead on Goon side, against 36 on RDN side

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12195238

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo28/glouluck/sssss.gif

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=3345
NCdot getting off the sidelines and picking a side? Interesting :)

Also *lol* tracking Titans!

Who needs tracking fits when Goons handily align their fleets directly away from your Titans? :P

ScheenK
January 23 2012, 10:09:39 AM
sounds like fun for both sides, although how is the lagg for both sides, is it even? or is one side taking more lag then the other

DaDutchDude
January 23 2012, 03:39:33 PM
sounds like fun for both sides, although how is the lagg for both sides, is it even? or is one side taking more lag then the other
From what I heard, TiDi was doing amazing work. There are still some teething problems with how TiDi switches on and off I believe, but just the fact that people were able to cyno into system, load and participate without trouble is a HUGE deal. Both sides were pretty happy with it, and also acknowledge that TiDi actually has potentially big influence on viability of tactics and fleet compositions that they need to learn about and work out.

indeterminacy
January 23 2012, 07:45:50 PM
sounds like fun for both sides, although how is the lagg for both sides, is it even? or is one side taking more lag then the other
TiDi was doing amazing work

Very much this. Also Init and Evoke took the two moons on sunday. Btw, Sunday night blue balls are werst.

Fara
January 25 2012, 12:49:05 AM
Another big night coming up tomorrow... We'll see :)

Skyly
January 26 2012, 10:26:18 AM
Couple of fights last night.

INIT had a tower coming out at ~23:00 that goons wanted to hit, and we'd also hit a SpaceMonkey's tower that was due to come out at about the same time.

We bridged in to system before goons with a ~100 man Tengu fleet, backed up by INIT Drakes + Bombers, NCdot Drakes and ev0ke Bombers. PL also sent a Ti3 BC gang to snipe some kills. We numbered around 300 in total. Goons were bringing roughly the same in 2 seperate Alpha Fleets.

Goons entered the system by gate and were bombed by INIT. They bounced off a celestial and warped to the POS that was due out of reinforced. Round 1 saw us warp to one of the Alpha fleets in our Tengus, whilst the Drakes engaged the other fleet. One fleet immediately fled the field only to come back in at exactly the same location a minute later. Round 1 saw us lose 3 ships (plus a covert and dictor), so we assumed Goons were primarying the Drakes. Looking back at the killboard, I can't see any Drake losses, so I have no idea what they were doing.
INIT and ev0ke both pulled off some very good bombing runs, killing multiple hostile battleships.
Bubbling also worked very well, keeping goons on the field long after they wanted to flee.

End KB BR looks a bit sketchy as a lot of goons aren't showing up as it appears they didn't kill anything:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=12243057
http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=3735

---------

As soon as round 1 was over and the goons moved off the field, we brought in some dreads to finish off the Spacemonkeys tech moon and started anchoring our own. Meanwhile, we repped the INIT pos and restronted.

Goons pinged 3 times in 30 minutes to reform and bring in reinforcements, but still couldn't get over ~300 people (this was midnight Eve Time). They decided to try and be sneaky and drop on our dreads in B-G. Dreads jumped before Goons could land, and we relocated to behind the goons, cutting off their escape. Goons formed up 35km off their gate and waited for us to jump in to them (in their prime time, we were all tired and wanted to sleep).

We decided to take the fight anyway, so jumped in to system. We lost 4 Tengu's in the initial decloak, but Goons appeared to not have any Webs left. As such we sat on top of their BS group for 15 minutes in our Tengus, taking apart their fleet whilst taking no damage in return. Turkey shoot.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=12244024
http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=3733



All in all, system had 700 in when the first fight went down (unreinforced iirc) and there was next to no lag. TiDi really appears to be working wonders for big fleet fights.

DaDutchDude
January 26 2012, 07:00:32 PM
All in all, system had 700 in when the first fight went down (unreinforced iirc) and there was next to no lag. TiDi really appears to be working wonders for big fleet fights.
That is awesome news, esp. with what might come. This means one less excuse not to fight and / or one more reason to join the fight.

DISCLAIMER: If you recently took a Wall of Text to the knee and are kinda worried of a repeat injury, look away now!

EVENEWS24.com has a piece by Endie, Goon's Minister of Propaganda, which is nothing more or less then a cry to rally the troops in what might be a fight for survival. Since it's pretty big, I'll post the link rather then repost it: http://www.evenews24.com/2012/01/26/endie-goonswarm-alliance-update-vernichtungskrieg-war-of-extermination/. So now things get interesting.

To be honest, I have no first hand information on any of this. All that is known to me is known from public sources such as FHC, Kugu, some public in-game channels and knowing the history of EVE. Still, I'll drop in my personal analysis of what's about to come, and what might be turning points.

I think Goons and CFC are peaking. Their power, influence and income has never been as large as it is now, and esp. their organizational and diplomatic abilities are on a level I don't think any alliance or coalition have reached even by a long shot. However, the tide is turning on them. I think that as with many other coalitions before it, the CFC has ruffled enough feathers that it is running out of people that want to join it and out of space / moons it can feasibly control. When an organization is at its top, when people are running at peak performance, it is easy to get tempers flare, have jealousy rear its ugly head, get bruised egos and personalities clashing. In the pressure cooker, things can go wrong very fast.

Now when I say people don't want to join it, I don't mean there's literally no people that want to join. What I mean is that the people that do want to join won't necessarily make them more powerful or effective. The more alliances join the CFC, the more chance there is or internal struggles, several of which we've already witnessed. Same can be said for corps joining existing CFC alliances. And corps usually also have a critical mass that is limited, where growing beyond it becomes problematic. And with that come people leaving the game that need to be replaced or people burning out, esp. key people doing all the hard behind the scenes work. Goons so far seem very good at keeping these key people going within their own organization, but again, there are natural human limits to what you can do.

At the same time, the CFC seems to get a rise out of people more then before. More and more people start to resent them and their success. Sure, Goons have thrived on exactly creating this, however, the longer you keep at it, the deeper the resentment grows and the deeper people will go to settle a score on something that happened perhaps even 3 years ago. At the same time, Goons have gone from a bunch of people enjoying being douche bags to a professionally run serious business organization that role plays being douche bags, and a lot of people who used to love the old Goon antics are now resenting the fact that Goons have lost a large part or their original raison d'etre.

At the same time, this by no means that Goons are finished, not by a long shot. As Endie wrote in his piece, there is a rich tradition of "destroy the Goons" campaigns that have all ended in embarrassing defeats. The only successful attempt at destroying Goons has been ironically done by a Goon by disbanding the alliance. At initial glance, the current challengers are at risk of making the same mistakes.

The current group that might try to put an end to the success of Goons empire of CFC seems to be initiated by Raiden. which consists of mostly of old IT / BoB alliance members, and they are joined by NCdot, Ev0ke/ Ewoks, Init. / Init. Mercs, and PL has also shown a presence. One thing that is a clear factor in many of these groups is that they like to project power by brute military force, and most of their military abilities are indeed impressive. However, they are also groups that all have very much an 'alpha male' attitude: they want to be dominant, in charge, and expect others to follow their directions, and the personalities in leadership positions also have very much the personalities and egos to match. This causes huge problems in terms of working together, esp. when shit hits the fan. And on a long campaign, shit will eventually hit the fan and be flung around, and it remains a question of who remains and who runs for cover.

Another problem is the nature of most of the successful campaigns these alliances have waged. With the exception of PL, most of their wars were fought based on displaying an impressive military force, winning one or two very large battles and having their opponent defeated by the opponent crumbling from that defeat. Most of their unsuccessful campaigns were long, drawn out fights where their opponents managed to not allow a knock-out blow in the first couple of rounds, only for the opponent to able to take advantage of a dropped guard during a sloppy attack.

Lastly, some of the opponents of the CFC are possibly at risk of fighting the war and mobilizing the troops for the wrong reasons. Too often, the spoils of the war are already carved up and divided amongst corps and alliances before victory is accomplished, leading to greed and jealousy. When things go wrong, this will become a huge obstacle to participation and morale. "What's in it for me?" should only be answered, not just to grunts but also amongst leadership, with: "To crush your enemies Goons, see them driven before you from their regions and moons, and to hear the lamentation of their women pets." Anything short of that will only be a source of division to be exploited by your opponents.

This war, just as others, will be all about participation. However, the opponent is unlike most others. The CFC is more unified and well organized and will not go down easily. Where in many coalitions, the "head" alliance will abandon their "pets" when things get tough, Goons have so far stood by their CFC steadfast. Key to not dragging this war out in an endless war of timers and structure grinding will be breaking up this bond, and it will not be easy. Anything should be done to stop the non-Goons from showing up in numbers or for the Goons to show up to defend non-Goon assets.

Personally, I think FCON should be the obvious target. It is clear neither Goons nor other CFC members have much love for them, and they already ran from a stable coalition with CVA before. Single them out, obliterate them, set their lands on fire, take their moons, destroy all their ships before even touching a Goon ship, camp their jump bridges and logistics routes, mess up their markets, war dec them and hunt targets in high sec, cause descent amongst their ranks. Do anything you can and the first cracks will appear. How long will Goons and the rest keep showing up? Will Goons help FCON financially when their ship refund program has run dry? Will FCON keep showing up for fleets when they know they will be singled out? How long will it take this time before they run?

All during this, no "single deciding battle, all in, go deep and hooah!" should be waged. Goons should be given no reason to mass X up, no reason to get reinvigorated when tired and weary, no reason to give a fuck about internet space ships. Actually, they should be given reason to go out in RL, enjoy spring, chase / drool after girls in high school / college / the office, go to the park and enjoy life while you slowly, in little and seemingly unimportant chunks chip away at their empire. Edit 2: Actually, part of that should be denying there is an intention to "destroy Goons", something that is already happening in other places and might happen here shortly. Only when most of their empire is already gone should they take notice, and only to consider evacuating assets, finding new space to bot in, etc.

So can the current forces defeat CFC? Yes, they have plenty of money, military power, numbers and abilities to win. Will they however? To be honest, I have my doubts. The lack of ego mixed with blind determination that is required to wage this long campaign as delicately as is required might stretch them too much. We'll see how this pans out, but I'm F5ing the kill boards / threads and hoping for a lot of destruction.

TimNeilson
January 27 2012, 01:23:09 AM
I don't think you "get" goons

DaDutchDude
January 27 2012, 02:04:20 AM
I don't think you "get" goons
Is this one of those vague messianic statements that, whatever the outcome is, can point back to and say "see I told you"? I'll give you some examples:
- Goons get defeated and kicked out of space: "Haha we didn't want space anyway!"
- Goons win and defeat opposition: "Haha told you we're better then those supercap blobs!"
- Nothing really happens: "Haha those pubbies don't dare fight us" or "Haha that piece by Endie was just trolling people into believing we are worried"

Instead, you could attempt to enlighten us, explain the nature of the Goon, give us insight so we might "get" Goons by being detailed and descriptive about what Goons intend to do, in a matter that in looking back, we can call bullshit on if it doesn't pan out, or congratulate you on if you were indeed correct. Until you do that, your post is about as informative on what is going on as posting "Fo fo fo fo fo".

Sponk
January 27 2012, 03:20:17 AM
Instead, you could attempt to enlighten us, explain the nature of the Goon, give us insight so we might "get" Goons by being detailed and descriptive about what Goons intend to do.

Goons have group cohesion that is not defined entirely by Eve. They won't fail cascade under pressure; they go afk due to boredom. That's why Mittens and Endie have been meticulously crafting excursions such as goonswarm shrugged, and emphasise jabber as a method of getting goons to login when important shit goes down.

DaDutchDude
January 27 2012, 05:31:20 AM
Goons have group cohesion that is not defined entirely by Eve. They won't fail cascade under pressure; they go afk due to boredom. That's why Mittens and Endie have been meticulously crafting excursions such as goonswarm shrugged, and emphasise jabber as a method of getting goons to login when important shit goes down.
Oh yeah, I get that. In my post, I'm actually making a big deal about the level of cohesion and organization of Goons. One thing I didn't mention is that I'm not expecting Goons to go the way of the Dodo as other alliances have: as long as the EVE servers will be running, there will be Goons, I'm pretty sure of that. As much as my first post may not have explicitly stated that, it does (or should) imply it.

However, CFC is not made of Goons alone, and without CFC, it wouldn't be possible for Goons to be as influential / powerful / rich as they are now. Many an alliance in the CFC doesn't have that sense identity, that loyalty, and would not be able to stand alone, at least not the way they are now. The exception to this rule is of course TEST, but it remains a matter of debate how happy they are being subservient to a "master", no matter how subtle and well greased the wheels of diplomacy might turn. And in its current shape, Goons are much more like a "traditional" power house alliance with its own pets then it ever was before, and its coalition can be broken as many coalitions were broken before.

I will accept that there's certain aspects of Goons that I don't understand simply because I am not a part of it, but some Goons might have enough self-reflection to see that indeed the Goonswarm of 2012 is in some ways quite different from the Goonswarm of 2007 and in a number of ways more like the BoB of 2007 (I do not mean that as an insult BTW, even though you might take it that way). And even if you are not seeing it yourself, the rest of EVE is noticing.

Sponk
January 27 2012, 05:47:05 AM
I see your point; I also think that GSF's policy of kicking underperforming corps might be extended towards its allies if rot sets in. i think the CFC, not unlike hedge funds, prefers to be smaller, more agile and meaner than it currently is.

Cippalippus
January 30 2012, 05:12:34 PM
according to Horus (I know, I know) the Americans are getting kicked/leaving, and want him to come along as a sugar daddy...

lol good luck with that
I mean EVE pubbies are stupid as hell but this is a pants-on-head level of being fucking stupid
never underestimate the power of human stupidity? Anyway all I was doing was paraphrasing his dumb ass, and you should thank me for not simply quoting his mind bendingly bad grammar.

Yeah man, what I meant was more like "oh wow how can this happen", not aimed at you.
Who lives in Deklein now by the way?

Badboy K
January 30 2012, 07:14:55 PM
Who lives in Deklein now by the way?

goons.

What an awesome fight went down in 0P9Z-I; local at 1800 + ; half Rdn, init and pl, other half Goons + friends: Rdn killed the tower that came out of RF, then goons came in and fight went on for hours; br here:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12405721


http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=4346

indeterminacy
April 5 2012, 03:59:49 AM
For the last 4-5 days a pair of IM corps have been camping around BKG. I understand goons are quite mad about all of this and have even re-routed the JBs as a result. Sadly I don't know the full scope of our impact on them aside from our little campaign we've created on our KB. I have to say tho, this is some of the most I've had in EVE ever.

Campaign overview shows:

269Kills (21+ Billion)
14losses (0.67 billion)

campaign details shows vastly different numbers:

http://thorn.killmail.org/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=16651

gg karb.

Mr Marram
May 7 2012, 03:20:28 AM
This is part in cloud ring, and part fade/PB. Most of the roam happens in fade and PB.

So, initially sulieman calls out for armour HACs because YEAAAAAA 8-)
Sadly we are bads and dont have the right ships/skills/enough people and so the comp is changed to trusty shield BCs, Total is 4 drakes, 1 Tornado, 2 Oracles. We bounce round lowsec but find that the late EU stuff is ending and its too early for the US guys to come on. Spotting a large red dot on our maps over in Okagaiken we head up that way, passing some other slightly populated but uninterested systems along the way.

We hit Okagaiken and -A- is forming there with 100+ in local. We bounce around system but no one is interested and so we head into W-4NUU (CR), scouts report a 40-50man -A- frigate gang in the next system, the decision is made to steer away from that, sadly we lose a tornado to a misheard command, the dead 'nado comes back in a rapier and we carry on the roam. A second 'nado (bringing the total back up to 1) joins us and we head towards PB by Saranen. Going into EC- we sort out positioning around the Torrinos gate and put a few ships down who dont get off the gate or to a tac fast enough -- http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13297475

We head up to 5ZXX after EC- and poke MOA, they are sleeping but a pve drake hits a gate as we do and suffers for it -- http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13297742

We cruise round to L-C by P-2TTL and its all quiet on the way, upon reaching L-C we decide to hang about near the station, some frigs think they are safe at 70km on the undock, http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13298227 nope.

Local starts picking up and a MOA gang arrives, mostly drakes (10-15) with recon (rapier, possible falcon) and link support. Cat and Mouse is played and eventually they give up. Not before (we assume) FA grow tired of having the bears docked up and not making ISK, they bring a somewhat substantial BS fleet and park it in the JB POS, they have more scimis than we have ships :facepalm:

Scouts have cleared us a way out so we take it, heading down towards cloud ring, we expect them to bridge ahead of us and camp us in the pipe but this doesnt happen and we make it into CR. We setup on the grid, off the gate, waiting for them to jump into us, some ships bounce in and out but nothing stays. Their loki and rapier come in and we tense up, local spikes, they come in and then all warp off (to different celestials). The gate is below plane so coming back to it at range from most celestials will trap us in, so we change alignments and start burning. More cat and mouse gets played, with us losing an oracle due to bad internets/:ccp:.

Local then jumps to 150+ and the BS fleet is back. They set up shop next door in OOTY and wait for us, lots of support, scimis, recons, fast tackle, dictors and HICs. We have a laugh at the disproportionate response and that the active pilots red dot in OOTY is larger than Jita's, we log off and a scout probes out a WH escape, another WH and we end up in genesis, we all dock up and ships are contracted over to alts for hauling back home.


So in all an interesting roam, MOA and FA both showed themselves to be good goon pets, endless nonsensical splurging into local with gaye abandon.
It does seem that the north is worse than it was previously, botlands from empire all the way to backwaters.

Raze Zindonas
May 7 2012, 11:21:43 PM
This is part in cloud ring, and part fade/PB. Most of the roam happens in fade and PB.

So, initially sulieman calls out for armour HACs because YEAAAAAA 8-)
Sadly we are bads and dont have the right ships/skills/enough people and so the comp is changed to trusty shield BCs, Total is 4 drakes, 1 Tornado, 2 Oracles. We bounce round lowsec but find that the late EU stuff is ending and its too early for the US guys to come on. Spotting a large red dot on our maps over in Okagaiken we head up that way, passing some other slightly populated but uninterested systems along the way.

We hit Okagaiken and -A- is forming there with 100+ in local. We bounce around system but no one is interested and so we head into W-4NUU (CR), scouts report a 40-50man -A- frigate gang in the next system, the decision is made to steer away from that, sadly we lose a tornado to a misheard command, the dead 'nado comes back in a rapier and we carry on the roam. A second 'nado (bringing the total back up to 1) joins us and we head towards PB by Saranen. Going into EC- we sort out positioning around the Torrinos gate and put a few ships down who dont get off the gate or to a tac fast enough -- http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13297475

We head up to 5ZXX after EC- and poke MOA, they are sleeping but a pve drake hits a gate as we do and suffers for it -- http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13297742

We cruise round to L-C by P-2TTL and its all quiet on the way, upon reaching L-C we decide to hang about near the station, some frigs think they are safe at 70km on the undock, http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13298227 nope.

Local starts picking up and a MOA gang arrives, mostly drakes (10-15) with recon (rapier, possible falcon) and link support. Cat and Mouse is played and eventually they give up. Not before (we assume) FA grow tired of having the bears docked up and not making ISK, they bring a somewhat substantial BS fleet and park it in the JB POS, they have more scimis than we have ships :facepalm:

Scouts have cleared us a way out so we take it, heading down towards cloud ring, we expect them to bridge ahead of us and camp us in the pipe but this doesnt happen and we make it into CR. We setup on the grid, off the gate, waiting for them to jump into us, some ships bounce in and out but nothing stays. Their loki and rapier come in and we tense up, local spikes, they come in and then all warp off (to different celestials). The gate is below plane so coming back to it at range from most celestials will trap us in, so we change alignments and start burning. More cat and mouse gets played, with us losing an oracle due to bad internets/:ccp:.

Local then jumps to 150+ and the BS fleet is back. They set up shop next door in OOTY and wait for us, lots of support, scimis, recons, fast tackle, dictors and HICs. We have a laugh at the disproportionate response and that the active pilots red dot in OOTY is larger than Jita's, we log off and a scout probes out a WH escape, another WH and we end up in genesis, we all dock up and ships are contracted over to alts for hauling back home.


So in all an interesting roam, MOA and FA both showed themselves to be good goon pets, endless nonsensical splurging into local with gaye abandon.
It does seem that the north is worse than it was previously, botlands from empire all the way to backwaters.

We jumped into B-D in CR with 8 dudes (Tier 3's and a Scimi) and EXE had 20+ guys sitting in a POS refusing to engage us. The typical smack talk was "You guys are nano fags" "bring more ships fags". We later found out that because they didn't have "an official FC" they wouldn't get their ships replaced if they lost them. :facepalm:

Belegarath
June 6 2012, 06:41:39 PM
I'm going to assume Fade goes in the Pure Blind section.

We've been down in provi now for almost 3 weeks. Decided to take a "vacation roam" through a wormhole that someone found that spit us out right next to VOTS. Vale looked totally dead so we decided to head towards M-O. Once in there a few quick ganks occurred. Then a quick hot drop by 30ish NC. that caught 2 of our new guys - the rest called the obvious cyno bait/knew exactly what to do - thus a lachesis and some intys caught a drake and nado. Happens. What shouldn't of happened... one of their muninns managed to get 120 off his fleet so we warped in and popped him.

After minimal messing around in Tribute, VFK was set. After 20ish minutes there it appeared as though Goons were not going to oblige for a fight. L-C was set as dest.

Started off by killing a Blackbird that landed in the bubble we set on station. They had a fleet of sorts already on the undock that warped to their JB the moment the rest of the fleet warped in. Carriers were undocked... never leaving the undock as they built up a pretty good sized force on the JB. Eventually, 15 minutes?, after some guys failing at the "Let's test our tanks on the undock" they warped their fleet in and the fun began on station. The fight ended up dragging to a random moon (POS had no defenses so we took the fight there). From there the fight ran to the sun... then back to station...

Then their sabre pilot did us a huge favor and dropped a bubble at the sun. Our fleet warped sun, with our sabre putting a bubble up roughly 20 off their bubble edge towards station to cover them warping out right away. They landed in their bubble roughly 8 seconds after our fleet had landed. More than enough time for Tornados to burn to optimal range. The webs had to die right away or we would have been in trouble - a standard issue we've learned to deal with.

http://exodus.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13582823 <--- Best/total report that we can find so far.

Numbers:
We had 15 in fleet (2 intys, 3 recons (2 web, 1 long point), 2 drakes, 6 tier3 BCs)
They had realistically had no more than approx. 40 in fleet at any given time as multiple people came back after reshipping to die as their warp in caused them to straggle right within point range of our drakes. Also, their Nid, 3 Thannys, and a Chimera never left the undock... which is why we were so happy their sabre pilot/FC? decided to take the fight to the sun.

All in all a good fun fight. Fraps was stopped by our normal fraps guy.... effects or some lame excuse like that.

Corp mate yelled at me to link a more "clean" BR:
http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=7623

Badboy K
October 6 2012, 10:13:09 AM
Not really a BR but still funny as shit... 3 of us went on a roam in Deklein, and pick up a dead end system with many npc kills, we come in and the ingate is bubbled to hell, warp to random belt and then i see this:

http://shrani.si/f/N/Bt/3rgFNCO4/kaikka.jpg

we can't kill it since we don't have the dps and goons in local don't believe us we found an officer(even after we provide ss and logs of damage), after fail attempts to sell kaikka spawn we leave a cloaking m8 in the system and after 30 minutes the officer disappears...

:)

Rengas
November 4 2012, 12:05:49 PM
Just a quick BR about a standard carrier gank that turned into something of a Matryoshka doll situation.

One of our guys (Gibbo) gets the ball rolling by tackling a Thanny which pops a cyno once it hits low armor. Instead of the backup blob we are expecting, a single Thanny jumps into our gang w/ sabre bubble already up. We finish off the first Thanny before reps land and proceed to melt the second one. We are fairly amused at this point.
The second Thanny incredibly opens a cyno of his own and a Chimera appears. However it too cannot land its hero reps in time and Thanny #2 goes down.

At this point something miraculous occurrs; the Chimera drops yet another cyno and two more Thannys (3 & 4) jump in. This time they appear to be more coordinated and begin refitting specific armor hardeners to tank the blaster damage of our pure Talos gang.
Thus begins a 45 minute brawl where neither side is able do much other than pop endless amounts of drones.
Over the course of the standoff however we are reinforced with a steady trickle of alliance mates eager to get in on the action. A Rook with full gallente jammers manages to jam out one of the Thannys just long enough for us to down Thanny #3 (we ignored the Chimmy up until this point because it had managed to refit in structure to full therm/kin and was just bait tanking us in armor).

With three carriers down and only two remaining we're fairly confident the fight is won. Yet right on schedule a cyno goes up and in come the final wave of reinforcements: a Niddy, Archon and another Thanny, bringing the amount of capital RR on field to something ridiculous and unbreakable with our limited numbers.
Amusement turns to dread and we understand we have no choice but to either drop capitals of our own (which is a fairly difficult task due to wormhole mass) or call for reinforcements, as we are slowly bleeding Tier 3's to the swarm of sentry drones.
Thankfully our pleas don't go unnoticed in the AHARM pub channel and someone manages to get us in touch with Elo Knight and his legion. We pop our own cyno for a change and let BL. do their thing.

Overall an incredibly fun brawl with some clever spider tanking carriers abusing the fact that our beloved blaster boats are limited to therm/kin damage.

gf. http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13671

Omen Nihilo
December 30 2012, 11:47:35 PM
Verge had another fun day today in Branch.

Brought a nano fleet into K-8 and got a decent fight with Fidelas Constans, though with all the reshipping and local going up constantly we took some heavy losses: http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=19428
Probably shouldn't have engaged with all their logi, but no regrets. By the time we disengaged there were two grids with one stretching 400km. :D

Came back with an armor T3 gang and waited for them to bite. They brought in Get Off My Lawn and SpaceMonkey's Alliance and eventually brought a Tier3 alpha fleet... Which we preceeded to spank: http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=19469
Total count was around 35vs140 ;)

Fraps should be up soon.

Steph
February 14 2013, 06:42:06 AM
I don't even know what...

Daneel Trevize
February 14 2013, 11:04:19 AM
...his native language is?

Korhag
June 1 2013, 10:14:50 PM
Time for an up to date 'North' Thread!

And what a great way to start it off with another:facepalm: Fcon titan dying.

http://zkillboard.com/detail/30907759/

Is that the third this week?

Silk75
June 1 2013, 11:04:38 PM
280 capitals/supercapitals in fleet and upon return to the staging system, everyone is asked, as normal to cap up and wait.

FC knows BL has 100+ tempests on a titan, so is expecting something. This guy warps off, his alliance staging tower had a pull/stop bubble on it, gets hotdropped and only shouts for help in armour, and then gives wrong align point to cap it all off.

Also no briefcase fitted!

FCON gonna FCON


Tapatalk

Anderron Shi
June 3 2013, 04:49:44 AM
They (fcon) are at 3 titans left, they were at 6 like 10 days ago.

QuackBot
June 3 2013, 05:01:10 AM
Time for an up to date 'North' Thread!

And what a great way to start it off with another:facepalm: Fcon titan dying.

http://zkillboard.com/detail/30907759/

Is that the third this week?
It is time.

tighten
September 29 2014, 04:21:26 AM
http://evenews24.com/2014/09/28/leak-black-legion-alliance-meeting/ so bl back to shooting gewns, was that a month of lowsec?

Jayarr
September 29 2014, 12:14:55 PM
OYY VEYY THE HABBENING

Bocephus
October 11 2014, 05:19:28 PM
https://zkillboard.com/kill/41733985/

Orar Ironfist
October 11 2014, 05:33:56 PM
https://zkillboard.com/kill/41733985/

You better be posting a BR with that. I would like to know how that hilarity came about.

LordsServant
October 11 2014, 05:43:11 PM
https://zkillboard.com/kill/41733985/

You better be posting a BR with that. I would like to know how that hilarity came about.

http://themittani.com/news/cfc-titan-down-battle-ccp-us

tl;dr - CFC is "surprised" that dropping suicide dreads(the counter) on supers results in a dead titan despite a hilarious numbers advantage with near even isk exchange, more at 11.

Orar Ironfist
October 11 2014, 05:46:12 PM
https://zkillboard.com/kill/41733985/

You better be posting a BR with that. I would like to know how that hilarity came about.

http://themittani.com/news/cfc-titan-down-battle-ccp-us

tl;dr - CFC is "surprised" that dropping suicide dreads(the counter) on supers results in a dead titan despite a hilarious numbers advantage with near even isk exchange, more at 11.

I like how all the comments are super dupe mad that they keep saying "suicide dreads" even though that's literally what the CFC says anytime they lose dreads themselves. So good~
Well good job on the kill BL/Nulli

LordsServant
October 11 2014, 06:20:22 PM
https://zkillboard.com/kill/41733985/

You better be posting a BR with that. I would like to know how that hilarity came about.

http://themittani.com/news/cfc-titan-down-battle-ccp-us

tl;dr - CFC is "surprised" that dropping suicide dreads(the counter) on supers results in a dead titan despite a hilarious numbers advantage with near even isk exchange, more at 11.

I like how all the comments are super dupe mad that they keep saying "suicide dreads" even though that's literally what the CFC says anytime they lose dreads themselves. So good~
Well good job on the kill BL/Nulli

Yarp, it's hilarious.

Even better is a few of the comments pointing out that this is what the CFC should've been doing to tracking titans years ago(admittedly, Raiden could outfield the titan numbers CFC was pulling there, but CFC could outfield the dread numbers BL and Co were pulling there)

CFC had the super numbers, and it was literally discussed a few times in Raiden with a worry about cfc dropping large numbers of suicide dreads + whelpcanes (zeekar should be able to verify/back me up on this).

Ofc, CFC refused to fight their own fight, opting for CCP to nerf supers and lead to the blue clusterfuck we have today.

Here's to a hope for a return to a fragmented nullsec in a year or so post phoebe!

antoine
October 11 2014, 08:26:34 PM
I haven't spoken to anybody who is mad about the fight last night, it was hella fun. The only people who really have a reason to be mad are the triage carriers who jumped in right before the dude moved himself and lost bonuses, so they didnt have a chance to see if they could have saved him. I think he probably would have still died, but it would have been more fun for them that way.

Bocephus
October 11 2014, 11:20:46 PM
The gist of it from the BL side is pretty simple. The first time we harassed CFC structures for a fight, we got a decent fight from them. Baltecs + Slows. We won that fight pretty handily. Over the next week we tried the same thing a few more times, but the CFC adjusted comps and got some victories. The curious thing was they were now jumping in supers and titans. The latter being completely useless for shooting Tengus, they were just trying to show off or rub it in. Before supers would come in, we would always burn out of range of the slows, some would switch to fighters, but for the most part their usefulness goes out the window. For some reason the CFC super FCs would always jump their supers in right on top of us, trying stay in range for as long as possible. However, they would jump them in out of range of their slows. Knowing most of their active carrier pilots are now on grid and bubbled, it was as easy as finding and killing the farthest titan from them. We were hoping the Ragnaroks would be those titans, but the CFC got pretty lucky with their bounces, specifically almost no bouncing happened.

We counted the supers in range and counted our dreads (minus the number of titans on field) and saw we had enough for one, maybe two, titan ganks and jumped in. The rest is pretty much on the killboards. The Erebus absolutely ate shit. Doing math from a dread's ammo that died on the same server tick, the Erebus died in about 100 game seconds. The interesting part about that was the Erebus moved out of fleet command and lost his bonuses at about 15% armor, instantly exploding. I personally don't think that was much of an issue, even with proper resist links he was still dying too fast at that point. It was a decent Hail Mary, but he was doomed. After that the CFC had jumped in enough new carriers (supposedly some triage just as he exploded) and breaking anything else was impossible. Dreads were told to shoot battleships and attempt to extract at the end of siege, but otherwise die quietly. I think we extracted three whole dreads before warping our subcaps off.

Basically, we saw the CFC supers be incredibly predictable over the span of a week, went through the motions to make them do it again, and killed a titan. We knew we'd lose all the dreads we committed but the point was to gank a titan out from under their noses, which we did.

Lex Arson
October 11 2014, 11:30:11 PM
Dread hulls are just ammo to Elo Knight

Neoo Gabriel
October 12 2014, 12:31:46 AM
Dread hulls are just ammo to Elo Knight

+1

Bocephus
October 12 2014, 12:47:40 AM
Pretty much, my dread's name has "V" appended to it for a reason.

Neoo Gabriel
October 12 2014, 01:27:42 AM
Dread has to die before insurance expires, so once every 3 months.

Orar Ironfist
October 12 2014, 01:38:07 AM
I haven't spoken to anybody who is mad about the fight last night, it was hella fun. The only people who really have a reason to be mad are the triage carriers who jumped in right before the dude moved himself and lost bonuses, so they didnt have a chance to see if they could have saved him. I think he probably would have still died, but it would have been more fun for them that way.

I more mean in the sense that people seem to be getting mad that everyone(on BL side) is saying "suicide dreads" and that it was fine because they were insured so ~technically~ they didn't lose that much. Which is ironic given the fact that for the past couple months anytime the CFC used dreads the same terms applied and they were totally fine with it.

I'm sure everyone enjoyed the fight

progodlegend
October 21 2014, 08:05:58 PM
The gist of it from the BL side is pretty simple. The first time we harassed CFC structures for a fight, we got a decent fight from them. Baltecs + Slows. We won that fight pretty handily. Over the next week we tried the same thing a few more times, but the CFC adjusted comps and got some victories. The curious thing was they were now jumping in supers and titans. The latter being completely useless for shooting Tengus, they were just trying to show off or rub it in. Before supers would come in, we would always burn out of range of the slows, some would switch to fighters, but for the most part their usefulness goes out the window. For some reason the CFC super FCs would always jump their supers in right on top of us, trying stay in range for as long as possible. However, they would jump them in out of range of their slows. Knowing most of their active carrier pilots are now on grid and bubbled, it was as easy as finding and killing the farthest titan from them. We were hoping the Ragnaroks would be those titans, but the CFC got pretty lucky with their bounces, specifically almost no bouncing happened.

We counted the supers in range and counted our dreads (minus the number of titans on field) and saw we had enough for one, maybe two, titan ganks and jumped in. The rest is pretty much on the killboards. The Erebus absolutely ate shit. Doing math from a dread's ammo that died on the same server tick, the Erebus died in about 100 game seconds. The interesting part about that was the Erebus moved out of fleet command and lost his bonuses at about 15% armor, instantly exploding. I personally don't think that was much of an issue, even with proper resist links he was still dying too fast at that point. It was a decent Hail Mary, but he was doomed. After that the CFC had jumped in enough new carriers (supposedly some triage just as he exploded) and breaking anything else was impossible. Dreads were told to shoot battleships and attempt to extract at the end of siege, but otherwise die quietly. I think we extracted three whole dreads before warping our subcaps off.

Basically, we saw the CFC supers be incredibly predictable over the span of a week, went through the motions to make them do it again, and killed a titan. We knew we'd lose all the dreads we committed but the point was to gank a titan out from under their noses, which we did.

And then once CFC told their FC's, "alright guys, that's enough with swinging titans and supers around just to look mean", we were able to catch there dread and carrier fleet with our own fleet of dreads and actually hold the field and win the cap fight before they could muster any super and titan response.

Smarnca
October 21 2014, 10:31:49 PM
Goons got nicely rekt in F7C- http://themittani.com/news/cfc-loses-battle-f7c-h0

Remember! Slowcats are OP

Bocephus
October 23 2014, 03:14:44 AM
Goons got nicely rekt in F7C- http://themittani.com/news/cfc-loses-battle-f7c-h0

Remember! Slowcats are OP

We call that the #NoFlexZone

Now this is the part where things get interesting: http://themittani.com/news/gsf-ceo-update-novus-ordo-seclorum

Keckers
October 23 2014, 07:07:45 AM
Tl;dr "We're abandoning three regions, but that's okay because we speculate NCdot is doing the same... Something something Russians"

friznit
October 23 2014, 10:03:09 AM
No, no, you need to get the rhetoric right. Goons are proactively restructuring into a defensive super cool blob of awesome. NCdot are running away and leaving their renters to fall under a bus cos they're all space bastards.

John Selth
October 23 2014, 12:55:41 PM
Tl;dr "We're abandoning three regions, but that's okay because we speculate NCdot is doing the same... Something something Russians"

Ya I mean if NCdot abandons the east then I'm pretty sure the Russians will headshot R3P0 to finally get back the ridiculous amounts of drone minerals still in the station...

Jester
October 23 2014, 05:45:49 PM
No, no, you need to get the rhetoric right. Goons are proactively restructuring into a defensive super cool blob of awesome. NCdot are running away and leaving their renters to fall under a bus cos they're all space bastards.

Mittens isn't wrong about Fountain being more defensible, though. They can (and likely will) use the bottlenecks on the south and east ends of Fountain to camp against incoming caps (which would have to use gates to jump into that part of the region).

That said, Outer Ring is shoved into Fountain's vitals almost exactly the way Czechoslovakia was shoved into Germany's vitals after WW1. And Mittens doesn't have the option of annexing Outer Ring. So I expect they'll try to defend Fountain for a bit, then have to pull back to Cloud Ring.

Mordax
October 24 2014, 01:05:26 AM
The Goons own these lands.

tighten
October 24 2014, 05:23:48 AM
Tl;dr "We're abandoning three regions, but that's okay because we speculate NCdot is doing the same... Something something Russians"

Ya I mean if NCdot abandons the east then I'm pretty sure the Russians will headshot R3P0 to finally get back the ridiculous amounts of drone minerals still in the station...

well im not sure mebe goons and nc are making the switch from the west to the east for the past couple of days some dudes have been shooting structures nonstop
https://dscan.me/3gMWOJ

Northern Observer
October 24 2014, 05:27:49 AM
Tl;dr "We're abandoning three regions, but that's okay because we speculate NCdot is doing the same... Something something Russians"

Ya I mean if NCdot abandons the east then I'm pretty sure the Russians will headshot R3P0 to finally get back the ridiculous amounts of drone minerals still in the station...

well im not sure mebe goons and nc are making the switch from the west to the east for the past couple of days some dudes have been shooting structures nonstop
https://dscan.me/3gMWOJ

That would be this http://imgur.com/WmG7P7X

Bocephus
October 28 2014, 03:15:34 AM
This dank frag brought to you by Dank Frags LLC:


http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=2902&b=6216260&e=40&t=vfuvb


But really, apparently some dude was high and found himself outside of a POS. Somebody spotted him and we dropped him. We almost finished our siege cycle and extracted, but dictors got on us just in time. We re-sieged when some idiot Leviathan warped up to us cap fit. He was at ~50% shields before all the DD's finished us off.

#NoFlexZone

etc

Orar Ironfist
October 28 2014, 03:19:55 AM
I was curious about how that avatar got snagged outside a POS. Would've bet that he went afk and accidentally double clicked in space before getting up. Lel nice kill.

Bocephus
October 28 2014, 03:31:15 AM
Not much to say about this one either, but Goon ratting carrier got tackled and do what they all do, light a cyno and scream for help. We were formed for a lowsec fight that was looking like blueballs so we went in an finished them off. Props to Nulli and GCLUB for the find, tackle, and cyno.

http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=3681&b=6217980&e=132&t=eqv

Jester
October 29 2014, 11:41:37 PM
I was curious about how that avatar got snagged outside a POS. Would've bet that he went afk and accidentally double clicked in space before getting up. Lel nice kill.

A post that went out to Goon super pilots probably explains it. It basically said "If you're gonna play ArcheAge, log off EVE first." :lol:

John Selth
November 6 2014, 12:48:37 PM
I was curious about how that avatar got snagged outside a POS. Would've bet that he went afk and accidentally double clicked in space before getting up. Lel nice kill.

A post that went out to Goon super pilots probably explains it. It basically said "If you're gonna play ArcheAge, log off EVE first." :lol:

First it was BLTs, then it was Game of Thrones, cats were pretty much a constant, but I guess now the new killer of eve supers is ArcheAge?

Ivy_Lash
November 7 2014, 04:17:25 AM
Couple days after Phoebe, is CFC dead yet?

Northern Observer
November 7 2014, 05:14:46 AM
Couple days after Phoebe, is CFC dead yet?

Dead and buried https://zkillboard.com/kill/42254834/

Reppyk
February 9 2015, 09:13:40 PM
Up.
I'm wondering what happened with Raging Ducks :
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Raging_Ducks/events
They left GSF, and probably not in a good way since ~les goonies~ are busy bashing all the remaining inspace assets.

The Phantom
February 10 2015, 05:57:58 PM
Well, they didn't cause any forum drama llama-ing when they left, so I'm not sure as to the nature of their departure from GSF.

Reppyk
February 10 2015, 06:00:25 PM
I heard a few were willing to join MOA. So... there is something.

Bocephus
February 11 2015, 03:59:04 AM
I'm told they don't agree with CFC's general russian politics as of late.

Source: spamming convos to random people in the corp (take that how you will)

LeonM
February 11 2015, 11:08:18 AM
I have removed Raging Ducks from GSF; they will enjoy 7 days of + standings from GSF to evacuate their assets, which will be revoked immediately and with gusto should our grace and forgiveness be tested. Everyone should realize that these metrics are about more than mere 'suck ratios' and that if I find something that makes me deeply unhappy about your corp, I may still nuke it from orbit. Future updates will remove the 'less than 5 sucks' language to avoid confusion as to the winds of my whims. https://goonfleet.co...dex.php/topic/1 ... uary-2015/ Raging Duck's ratting and mining rights are immediately revoked. They have +5 light blue standings to evacuate, but if you see them ratting/mining/abusing the commons of our space, obliterate them. On a brighter note, here's a Malamute puppy in Siberia! http://i.imgur.com/tK3w61R.jpg
This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all at 2015-02-05 15:07:28.686629 EVE

TL;DRed a translation from Eve-Ru.com:
A statement by CeHaToP0: (http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?showtopic=74201&p=2955190)

It's all rather simple. Our corporation has a member who is one of the most massive multiboxers in entire EvE. In January he carebeared A LOT and messed our stats up. No one bothered to investigate and we were promptly kicked in order to serve an example. We will appeal this decision with the alliance, and in case we will be refused we will consider any offers made to us, of which we already have several. After that, we'll vote and make the best call we can.
I won't hide it, I've been in Goons for a long while and have always assotiated myself with this alliance. I hope we'll stay, but if not - meh, it's only a game.
UPD. (http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?showtopic=74201&p=2956799)
Some of our members were enraged by the swift execution of the punishment, and many didn't want back. I've requested and received standings to allow evacuation.

Since then some noob shot blues and standing were reset, assets are being evacuated by friends in the alliance.
----
To add some spice, here's a twist to the story (http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?showtopic=74201&p=2959004):

I've always found it interesting, how many corporations will remain in Goons if I start multiboxing with extra zeal even during CTAs and Ops. Of course I didn't want to start with weak PvP corps, so I've started with RGSU, since they're rather active in the alliance. The result can be observed.
Goons have the same mentality as Russia - until someone dies in the crossroads, no one will put a stop light there. So the NEXT IN LINE would be Bat Country (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Bat_Country) - I'll try to repeat the carebearing ops until they're kicked, perhaps after that the suckmetrics/stats policy of Goons will be revised.

Reppyk
February 11 2015, 12:01:01 PM
But how do you a "ratting metric" ? Corp taxes leaked by someone ? PVE ships lost this month ?

Longdrinks
February 11 2015, 12:16:14 PM
If they send in corp wallet api you can just use ratting tax to see how much ratting is going on and at what times. The last part makes it seem like big carebearing during stratops is whats frowned upon.

LeonM
February 11 2015, 12:52:48 PM
Something something corp API compared vs. participation metrics, resulting in a metric for the given corporation in the alliance, either your suckmetric is low (attend a lot of ops and carebear a little) or high (low participation and high carebearing).

Reppyk
February 11 2015, 01:40:07 PM
Can the CEOs put the tax at 0% (ie is TheMittani allowing them to fuck this metric) ? NPC bounties won't show up anymore.
"We don't believe in taxes in my corporation, this is an anarch RP corp !"

LordsServant
February 11 2015, 01:40:08 PM
But isn't that what being a goon is about these days?

All you ever see goons/cfc doing these days is ratting (and dying horribly) in ishtars and carriers up in Deleon or w/e.

Ever so often they go send a token bomber, Ishtar, or harpy fleet to wherever just because, but that's about all they do.

Am I missing something, or is this a huge amount of hypocrisy? :p

Sorry for typos, sent from atop the porcelain throne via iPad.

Longdrinks
February 11 2015, 03:46:41 PM
But isn't that what being a goon is about these days?

All you ever see goons/cfc doing these days is ratting (and dying horribly) in ishtars and carriers up in Deleon or w/e.

Ever so often they go send a token bomber, Ishtar, or harpy fleet to wherever just because, but that's about all they do.

Am I missing something, or is this a huge amount of hypocrisy? :p

Sorry for typos, sent from atop the porcelain throne via iPad.

you mean the leader alliance of the best organized and best ran coalition in the game actually runs a thight ship? say it aint so

Omniblivion
February 11 2015, 09:09:08 PM
Gevlon was too successful, we were forced to trim the fat to keep our killboards green

The Phantom
February 11 2015, 09:13:54 PM
But isn't that what being a goon is about these days?

All you ever see goons/cfc doing these days is ratting (and dying horribly) in ishtars and carriers up in Deleon or w/e.

Ever so often they go send a token bomber, Ishtar, or harpy fleet to wherever just because, but that's about all they do.

Am I missing something, or is this a huge amount of hypocrisy? :p

Sorry for typos, sent from atop the porcelain throne via iPad.

This is pretty much all of null right now, everyone is waiting on the potential sov mechanic changes coming at FF. Not enough known to mount any kind of offensive right now.

I also get probably 30-40 broadcasts a day for fleets, so theres that... *shrug*

Bocephus
February 12 2015, 04:49:23 AM
I like the part where CFC makes fun of literallyeverybodyelse for having CTAs but then they go and pull shit like this.

Seraph IX Basarab
February 12 2015, 05:59:55 PM
Elo taking BL up north again? Is it already time for his periodic "fuck yo couch mittens" campaigns? Welp, guess the third partying meme themed squads will have to return from the south to grind towers. Expect a 38 percent rise in smug on gsf state media for "morale purposes."

Aliventi
February 12 2015, 07:26:09 PM
Elo taking BL up north again? Is it already time for his periodic "fuck yo couch mittens" campaigns?"
It seems like every time BL goes north Mittens pays them a lot of isk to go somewhere else for a while. If all I had to do was kill a bunch of ratter until they complained enough I would get bribed paid a lot of isk to go away I would come right back as soon as I could.

Seraph IX Basarab
February 12 2015, 08:38:15 PM
Elo taking BL up north again? Is it already time for his periodic "fuck yo couch mittens" campaigns?"
It seems like every time BL goes north Mittens pays them a lot of isk to go somewhere else for a while. If all I had to do was kill a bunch of ratter until they complained enough I would get bribed paid a lot of isk to go away I would come right back as soon as I could.

That would be bad for business. When ransoming people...err i mean providing a service, you need to be consistent so that you get a good reputation. Anything else is just bad for business.

The Phantom
February 12 2015, 10:38:28 PM
Elo taking BL up north again? Is it already time for his periodic "fuck yo couch mittens" campaigns? Welp, guess the third partying meme themed squads will have to return from the south to grind towers. Expect a 38 percent rise in smug on gsf state media for "morale purposes."

And here I thought Elo would never get tired of shitting on BRAVE frig fleets in HACs :v:

Longdrinks
February 14 2015, 11:13:01 AM
roaming catch is like taking the lowhanging fruit and eating it in your couch

The Phantom
February 14 2015, 03:35:26 PM
roaming catch is like taking the lowhanging fruit and eating it in your couch

While someone fans you with palm branches?

Mordax
February 16 2015, 02:49:17 AM
The GOON Lands.

The Phantom
February 16 2015, 02:51:56 AM
The GEWN Lands.

FTFY.

Reppyk
February 19 2015, 10:23:11 PM
Let's check zkill...

https://zkillboard.com/kill/44721358/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/44682629/

Days before a TMC article : never.

Jester
February 19 2015, 11:07:42 PM
Days before a TMC article : never.

Er, out of curiosity, why should any news site care if a couple of ratters get blapped? Happens every hour of every day.

The Phantom
February 19 2015, 11:13:30 PM
Let's check zkill...

https://zkillboard.com/kill/44721358/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/44682629/

Days before a TMC article : never.

Raging Ducks have been dropping around Dek for the better part of a week, these dudes are dumb and deserve to lose their shit for ratting unaligned/with a neut in system.



Days before a TMC article : never.

Er, out of curiosity, why should any news site care if a couple of ratters get blapped? Happens every hour of every day.

This.

Reppyk
February 19 2015, 11:52:03 PM
Days before a TMC article : never.

Er, out of curiosity, why should any news site care if a couple of ratters get blapped? Happens every hour of every day.You probably missed all the TMC articles when a random corp from TEST or Brave is leaving.

The Phantom
February 20 2015, 01:08:17 AM
Days before a TMC article : never.

Er, out of curiosity, why should any news site care if a couple of ratters get blapped? Happens every hour of every day.You probably missed all the TMC articles when a random corp from TEST or Brave is leaving.

I think the only ratter losses I have seen on TMC have been exceptionally stupidly blinged out stuff in ALOD.

Seraph IX Basarab
February 20 2015, 03:38:36 AM
Days before a TMC article : never.

Er, out of curiosity, why should any news site care if a couple of ratters get blapped? Happens every hour of every day.You probably missed all the TMC articles when a random corp from TEST or Brave is leaving.

Supposedly since GSF had a hard time trying to influence BNI into doing what they wanted (be meat shields for the CFC in Delve) they're recalling some of their "high level" alts with great ceremony attempting to co-opt their members into Karma fleet.

Enjoying the "we're leaving BNI because sov politics is too serious...so we'll join an even more political sov based entity to show our displeasure."

monkmonk1234
March 4 2015, 02:41:43 AM
http://my.jetscreenshot.com/demo/20150304-uugu-73kb

Getting ready for cloud ring guys EXE you better watch out #colilitionoverloadingsniffingstishus

JimFromIT
April 21 2015, 03:47:05 PM
I am an exe dude - not sure exactly what you mean due to your manly refusal to include commas in your sentence, but please be assured I am very much looking forward to dying to you in many retarded ways.

LeoniaTavira
April 21 2015, 11:29:53 PM
I am an exe dude - not sure exactly what you mean due to your manly refusal to include commas in your sentence, but please be assured I am very much looking forward to dying to you in many retarded ways.

You're a bit late friend. They have since disbanded and joined NC. and PL

Lex Arson
April 22 2015, 10:08:51 AM
#summerwar

Ivy_Lash
April 22 2015, 10:22:30 AM
I am an exe dude - not sure exactly what you mean due to your manly refusal to include commas in your sentence, but please be assured I am very much looking forward to dying to you in many retarded ways.

You're a bit late friend. They have since disbanded and joined NC. and PL

TISHU is never late, the cyno arrives preciously when it means too.

JimFromIT
April 22 2015, 10:25:09 AM
Temporal tank best tank - I can now claim my intervention of the forums has saved a large number of officer fit marauder losses.

LeoniaTavira
May 3 2015, 07:04:17 AM
Razor just gave Init. half of Tenal
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Tenal#sov

Totally didn't see that coming

QuackBot
May 3 2015, 09:00:17 AM
You're a bit late friend. They have since disbanded and joined NC. and PL
Since a) i have no intention to stop playing xiv.

Andrejs L
May 19 2015, 10:34:38 AM
Sorry for being out of touch, but does anyone actually use/live in Pure Blind anymore, every time i remember going there in recent years it was a graveyard. Last people I remember actively living there were Cry Havoc renters.

Reppyk
May 19 2015, 06:09:40 PM
Mordus Angels have been living in the NPC stations for... a long time. They are still there, with their new allies "Raging Ducks" (ex-goons that turned on them).

LeoniaTavira
May 30 2015, 12:35:19 AM
Had a fun fight in Cloud Ring in AUTZ last night

http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=4046&b=6525330&e=180&t=frjr&r=1

We wanted to see if Mittens was serious about his whole "we're out of CR" thing, so a few days ago we sniped a TCU that was transferring from .EXE to J4LP and threw down our own, managing to grab sov in F7C-H0. We dropped an ihub and waited to see what would happen.
Sure enough, the next day, SBU's go up, and a 30 man Fweddit fleet comes to RF it using ishtars. Fair enough, we did steal their sov, and we can probably fight that. Then a 60 man SMA fleet came, so we didn't bother.

Last night was the final timer, and we wanted content, so we formed up a dozen navpocs, three triage, and some support.
Initially we had J4LP slightly outnumbered, but they were reinforced by an SMA ishtar fleet, and a mixed CFC ishtar fleet that burned down from Deklein.

Was a fun fight, but we lost one triage to getting out of refit range (and also he had trimarks wut), and a couple of us went down under triage reps, and the cfc dudes were just sitting at 120 (fuck the ability to drop sentries and fly away), so we started looking for a way out. One of our triage cycled red and warped off to a friendly pos, but the other one stayed in and got caught, instead of jumping out. He tanked like a hero though.
Basically, small issues with execution turned what was a fun fight into a slight loss isk wise :(

any comments by Fweddit about being off Mittens teat, or by the CFC of not wanting CR are definitely false though

Aliventi
May 30 2015, 12:48:36 AM
any comments by Fweddit about being off Mittens teat, or by the CFC of not wanting CR are definitely false though
Another region and another alliance Mittens can sacrifice at a moments notice to save Goons. That's all the other alliances in the CFC are. That's the only reason those alliances have space.

DevilDude
June 1 2015, 02:36:25 AM
So looks like Goons managed to insert DBRB's alt into Mordus Angels with a revenant before sacrificing it to the welp gods and nuking their killboard efficiency.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/46988753/

Smarnca
June 1 2015, 08:21:05 AM
So looks like Goons managed to insert DBRB's alt into Mordus Angels with a revenant before sacrificing it to the welp gods and nuking their killboard efficiency.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/46988753/

Goons brought 1000 dudes.

Fuck them

fuck them

Longdrinks
June 1 2015, 08:25:16 AM
They have been hunkering down in fortress deklein waiting for fozziesov for quite a while now so members are probably desperate for something to do.

QuackBot
June 1 2015, 09:00:22 AM
Goons brought 1000 dudes.

Fuck them

fuck them
What the fucking fuck in the fuck fuck is going fucking on here?

Keeves
June 1 2015, 10:38:49 AM
What the fucking fuck in the fuck fuck is going fucking on here?

Jesus Christ... New sig.

Keckers
June 1 2015, 11:40:14 AM
They have been hunkering down in fortress deklein waiting for fozziesov for quite a while now so members are probably desperate for something to do.

So they had a glorified structure bash with themselves?

Putting the character in Mordus Angels is a nice touch though.

Longdrinks
June 1 2015, 11:44:24 AM
They could make a wormhole express constellation like PL and have endless fights at their fingertips with a bit of effort. But the ratters would probably riot :-p

Stoffl
June 1 2015, 12:57:25 PM
wait wut

wormhole express constellation ?

Longdrinks
June 1 2015, 01:15:55 PM
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Quantum_Flux_Generator_1
Turns out this is actually really good if you want galaxywide reach in a post-jumpchanges eve.

Lady Spank
June 1 2015, 01:36:33 PM
If there is one thing the history of evolution has taught us it's that life will not be contained. Life breaks free, it expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously, but, uh... well, there it is.

DevilDude
June 1 2015, 07:59:06 PM
They have been hunkering down in fortress deklein waiting for fozziesov for quite a while now so members are probably desperate for something to do.

So they had a glorified structure bash with themselves?

Putting the character in Mordus Angels is a nice touch though.

from what's been said the BPC dropped to some euro goon incursion runners and they started fighting over who got it, so the higher ups stepped in and confiscated the BPC, built it, and gave it to DBRB to lose.

LeoniaTavira
June 7 2015, 08:04:14 AM
http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=4046&b=6537848&e=76&t=raq&r=1&ro=66

Mixed fleet of Syndicate and Placid residents achieves smackdown victory over Imperium Cloud Ring residents. Not all the hostiles shown, because our side didn't lose much.
Maybe they'll start flying something other than ishtars, ishtars, and more ishtars.
The 100mn AB comp of Fweddit's is interesting, but it turns out 100mn AB'ing around at 100km just lets navpocs track you perfectly anyway.

Lex Arson
June 7 2015, 02:23:36 PM
that's quite a nice fleet you have there :3

Elmnt80
June 12 2015, 05:25:33 PM
that's quite a nice fleet you have there :3

True. It would be a shame if something were to... happen to it.

enigmamarine
June 16 2015, 09:17:05 AM
Iron.Guard? more like Iron.Cowards.