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drealar
April 9 2011, 11:32:58 PM
Shit goes here.
Merciless. are in constant war with our new neighbours, gypsy band, who moved even closer to us to bring more good fights. We are now 2 jumps apart. NC. and the ewoks have been spotted in the outlying area's and POS's getting reinforced daily.

We've come off worst in recent engagements I think but looking forward to more fights, hope they keep bringing it!

Daco
April 10 2011, 10:38:19 AM
Alright so not a lot has been going on in Gem lately, we (brick) managed to take TDE though, R.A.G.E took sov there after Rebellion lost it but then for some reason dropped it without actually transferring it to anyone. So we took advantage of that and put up some TCU's, the russians had the same idea though and put up some TCU's of their own, which we destroyed, at about 30mins to DT the Russians put up a TCU (this is before patch day so a long DT) and destroyed ours, at this point their wasn't many on in Brick and NC had gone home so we didn't have much of a defence fleet. They warped about 3 Supercarriers to our pos so we were poking our heads out and destroyed 100mil + isk worth of fighterbombers before the rest of the Russians arrived.

The killed out TCU which had around 2 hours 30mins to go before we got sov much :( went around, until........................we realized we could petition the russians about their TCU. It was something to do with a TCU must be over 50% complete onlining before DT, which theirs had just started so it was removed by CCP and we got the system.

SO a kind of hollow victory but a victory none the less.

depili
April 11 2011, 05:06:26 AM
For the various alliances active in venal this is the basic lowdown:

Merciless + Agony with occasional support from evoke + ncdot
Gypsy Band with occasional NC support
Co2 + Wild boards, the small Serbian block

As far as technetium moons are considered each block holds some moons.

So far we haven't had any good three way free for alls unfortunately, mostly because our numbers aren't really enough to challenge merciless or gypsies during CTA's :(

Redclaws
April 11 2011, 08:35:13 AM
Let's try again this again.
It was something to do with a TCU must be over 50% complete onlining before DT, which theirs had just started so it was removed by CCP and we got the system.


:CCP: Where the heck are these rules written down?

I'm surprised it works like this these days but even more surprised to see CCP responded to your petition in time for it to matter.

On topic: Whats up with Legion of xXDEATHXx losing so much sov today?

Helen
April 11 2011, 08:41:46 AM
Looks like mostly crap space that no one uses they ditched. Guess its a case of streamlining expenditure. :nostradamus:

Kuurus
April 11 2011, 08:42:34 AM
On topic: Whats up with Legion of xXDEATHXx losing so much sov today?

Depending on how much you believe evenews24, apparently its mostly renters going emo :emo:

http://www.evenews24.com/2011/04/09/fat ... don-space/ (http://www.evenews24.com/2011/04/09/fatality-nerf-dr-renters-abandon-space/)

zangorus
April 11 2011, 06:26:11 PM
All i know is that DRF paid PL to join them

Svetlana Kerensky
April 11 2011, 06:29:57 PM
going to be a nice BBQ in gemi and good salvage option packages )

Booley
April 11 2011, 11:30:53 PM
Last night we were shooting a tower, gypsy band were apparently watching us. Logged their supers on halfway through the siege cycle and :welp: goes the dread fleet.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9354549

The Monkeysphere
April 12 2011, 09:04:09 PM
Who are Gypsy Band?

Grarr Dexx
April 12 2011, 09:04:53 PM
Rebellion alliance under a new name, pretty much.

Daco
April 14 2011, 01:03:24 AM
So yesterday I had probably one of the most intense fun fights I have ever had since being in Brick.

So just a quick back story:

I was playing Minecraft then logged into eve to see what was going on an saw there was a shield fleet up, so I joined to see what was happening and found out Solar Fleet had Anchored a POS in one of our home systems and we were trying to kill it. So I jumped in my Scimi and raced to the JB and jumped into the fight.

I really wish I had of been frapsing these fights because it would of made for some awesome screen shots.

This is purely how I saw the battles unfold, since I was concentrating on repping gang members I wasn't concentrating all that hard on what the FC was saying so I might have missed certain events or orders.
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It is about 10:00UTC when I join the fleet and head out to where the fighting is, at this point we only have about 15 guys on field and the russians have about 20 but we have 2 scimi's which evens the field a bit (we are both running Drake/Hurricane fleets as well). So we're warping around the tower to different spots catching Russians that have drifted from their fleet. We lose a couple of guys during this little skirmish just from bad warp in's or just from not hearing the FC properly (lolTS2). Me and the other Scimi are keeping up with the incoming damage for the most part but the Russians were using target painters which was making it hard to rep the tacklers and we lost a few of them.

The skirmish last until the POS shields go up, at which point the Russians are hugging the tower but a few are outside the POS shields when it goes up so we dispatch of them quickly. At this point we get a blockade runner with some T1 Large bubbles and 2 T2 Large Bubbles and proceed to start anchoring them around the POS. During this time the Russians are coming in and out of the shields trying to pop the BAR but me and the other Scimi have kept perma reps on him so it is pretty futile. They lose an extra 2-3drakes doing this. Once the bubbles online the POS looked like this:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1909/rapecage.jpg
(Full Image is here: http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2716/fullrapecage.jpg)

At this stage in the fight the Russians are stuck and we're chipping away at the POS, unfortunately a 20 man Drake/Hurricane gang doesn't do a lot of damage to a Large POS, and being only 20mins to Downtime there aren't many people to rally into the gang. While we were shooting the POS a Muninn decided he'd come out of the shields to shoot one of the T2 large bubbles but since I had them locked up I just put reps on the bubble and he didn't make much of a difference. Our FC calls him primary and away the missiles fly, he runs back into the shield and the missiles follow him which is followed by a brilliant blue explosion and many laughs on coms. We get a couple more people doing this, then DT hits.

This is how it was looking just before DT:
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7897/justbeforedt.jpg
(Full Image here: http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7647/fulljustbeforedt.jpg)

So after DT we all log in again and manage to get fleet back up to around 40 people and we have 4 Scimi's now. It is pretty much a stale mate, they aren't leaving the POS shields and we aren't leaving the POS. They try to warp a hauler in the Stront but he lands in the bubble and diaf. And that is pretty much how it goes for another 15-20mins.

We get word the system next door is filling up with reds around 25-28 Solar Fleet, and in system there is about 10-12 Solar fleet so their fleet is about equal to ours except we have more logi's but they have more ECM. Solar lands on the in gate and we warp to the gate, determined to not let them get to the POS. Solar jumps in and we engage immediately I can tell us logi are going to have our work cut out for us because I get jammed by a Blackbird even though I have a ECCM on. We lose a few tacklers initially followed by a couple of drakes, but once us logi could lock again our reps started holding.

Solar begins to primary us logi's but don't have much success killing us, until...........I get primaried and one of the other logi's gets jammed and another has warped to a load up to get rid of any incoming damage. I stay on field as long as I can providing reps until I hit armor, once my armor went down to half I started spamming jump and made it out in 10% armor.

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5901/10armor.jpg

I head back to gate and jump back in, one of the other logi's reps my shield back up and we don't get shot again. We have killed around 20 Solar ships to about 4 loses so Solar starts bailing and we spread points and destroy a further 5-8 ships. Then the looting begins. I was jammed 3-4 times by a blackbird in that fight even with my ECCM going (sigh nerf ecm?).

After that the fleet heads back to the POS and I head to station, dock up and log off. When I logged someone had done a api import for that battle and the night, in the end we took overall 9 loses and killed 40 Solar guys.

Just before they all bailed: http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/6749/justbeforetheend.jpg
After Math of the battle: http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6171/theendss.jpg

The other kills/loses after that I don't know about so can't comment on, and it doesn't look like we took the POS down, but a very fun night and the most intense Logi action I have been in.
BR: http://killboard.brick-squad.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=103159
(I have no idea what happened with PL there :\)

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So GF Solar was a lot of fun, I hope you continue to bring it :wink:

Brother G
April 14 2011, 12:24:38 PM
They'll be bringing it even more in the next few days/weeks.... :D

Brother G
April 14 2011, 12:30:20 PM
I wondered why we had hardly seen Gypsy Band around in Geminate anymore, seems you are keeping them very busy!

Dodgy Past
April 14 2011, 05:00:27 PM
A piata (Spanish pronunciation: [pi'?ata]) is a brightly-colored decoration made from either a clay container or cardboard shape covered with papier-mch.

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_battle.php?start_time=2011-04-13%2013:57:00&end_time=2011-04-13%2014:40:00&system=F-D49D
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_battle.php?start_time=2011-04-13%2015:36:00&end_time=2011-04-13%2017:05:00&system=F-D49D
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_battle.php?start_time=2011-04-13%2018:06:00&end_time=2011-04-13%2019:00:00&system=F-D49D

It was looking like it was going to be a boring afternoon, so we formed up some people on a Titan and sent some cloakies with cynos to have a look at the jump bridges to see if anything interesting came through them to gank. Fairly quickly something interesting is reported, maybe 20 or so ships idling in a POS in F-D49D. So a cyno is lit, we jump in, bubbles are dropped and the Machs go to work bumping people out. Some reds manage to warp out to another POS then log, others manage to log in the POS but quite a few go down.

After about 20 minutes the POS is empty and we start to think about heading back to the titan, but low and behold in warps an Abaddon having just logged on. The Machs scramble to bump him out and as they're doing this a Mael logs in and warps into the POS; bump bump, bang bang, dead. At this point we put two and two together and realise that a 300 man fleet had logged out in this POS the day before and plenty of people were logging in without checking any intel. So on and off F-D49D became our 2nd home for the day, Mumble echoed with cries of joy every time something tasty logged in, rage when they managed to log out and dissapear before we could bump them out and kill them and screams of catch the bugger as tackle overloaded to catch those that had neglected to put their password in.

Finally I'd like to congratulate ShaolinRocket, the resourceful Guardian pilot who'd turned on his AB and left his ship orbiting the POS, trying to bump that ship out kept us occupied and entertained whenever there was a lull in the piata providing us sweeties. Eventually after an hour and a half of tearful frustration accompanied by the torture of Benny Hill music hero of the legion mkd0815 finally got the magical bump to push him out of the shields.
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=390434

Over the course of the day we managed to kill 70 ships.

Brother G
April 14 2011, 05:05:20 PM
Sounds like an amusing afternoon for you Dodgy....welcome to the neighbourhood! :D

depili
April 15 2011, 05:24:02 PM
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboa ... ?id=391199 (https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=391199) ME erebus down, would like to hear how he died. Keep up the good work PL =)

forteh
April 15 2011, 05:33:08 PM
I wasnt there, but as far as I know he got caught by a fishing gang as he was trying to slowboat inside a POS, he was held there by 2 hero dictors untill backup arrived. From what I can tell 1 Avatar and 1 Wyvern barely managed to get away

Dodgy Past
April 16 2011, 02:15:31 AM
Main battle report.
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_battle.php?start_time=2011-04-15%2023:45:00&end_time=2011-04-16%2001:16:00&system=F-D49D
Reposting from a n other forum.

PL camped the system all day in machariels, about 200 NC had logged in the same pos so we scored maybe 100 kills from people logging in at a steady pace.

NC then spend 2h forming up their 22:00 eve CTA CTA.
100 Armor hacs
150 Alpha fleet
65 Capital fleet.
80 Armor bs fleet.

PL goes and swaps to tengus and bridges back + a mad levi for bonuses, 100 in tengu fleet and 20 in bomber fleet.

NC shield and NC ahac fleet bridges in at their pos, PL warps in at 0 scoring maybe 20 kills since people are bad at putting in password.

Grim tells his ahacs that "we will not fight PL until the station timer (1h20mins) so we will wait for our backup and cap fleet" and the shield fc says the same.

PL bridges in 3 machs and start camping the NC pos with tengus and 3 bumping machs (shadoo is lolbad at bumping and JENSIUS SOMETHING OF ZOR is a fucking bumping machine sending a BS into the jaws of the tengus every 30 secs)

NC realise that they will all die the death of bumps unless they fight (yeah machs can actually bump ships orbiting pos wtf).

NC alpha fleets warp off grid to get a warpin at range, NC ahacs starts manually burning straight towards our tengus outside shield. (mistake #1)

They exit shield one by one and they go pop pop pop.

With 30 ahacs dead and no losses the wild alpha fleet lands on grid, 35 km away from our tengus (yea we didnt want range, who cares about tracking? Mistake #2)

A lot of yelling start at PL coms, bubble the alpha fleet, gobbins bomb the fucking bs you italian piece of shit, where the fuck is the NC armor bs and cap fleet, why havent they jumped in yet, keep owning duders, raaaaa AAAAAAARMOR HACCCCCKS!!!!! etc etc

Just as gobbins finally is about to bomb the battleships a wild PL hic bubbles them all, dragging our bomber into the hic bubble and every single bomb misses the target.

Insert a lot of finnish at9 commentator rage here.

Alas, tengu heros moves in on top the NC maelstroms and boy, they sure as hell cannot track shit, and tengus are faster then NC ahacs so NC ahacs cant keep up nor shoot the tengus now being out of range. (learn to use ongrid bounce grim you giant noob face)

Pop pop pop maelstroms aint got no buffer llll.

Intellegence spy master AVAR DAVOLA starts screaming in his terrible german accent that we should warp of field, after some confusion we realise that he is telling us the NC bs fleet has been ordered to be ready to get of field.

Ahac fc grim goes "meh, i cant shoot at PL they too far away and nobody can break their tank lets just go inside pos this fight is over cry cry cry"

Alas, the brave men of the legion, re-fueled by rape, bubbles the fuck out of the NC maelstroms, and while Grim is crying to his ahac fleet on MM ts PL is still raping maelstroms like its Mogadishu ' 93, all while broadcasting grims crying on PL coms.

We be raping to the left, we be raping to the right, and when the dust settles and wreck overview is loaded a splendid sight is to behold.
100 Hostile wrecks, 3 PL bomber wrecks and 2 PL recon wrecks.

Now one might ask, where was the NC armor bs fleet?
Where was the NC cap fleet?
Why is NC telling all their members that it was bombers that killed their 250 man fleet and not the 100 NC warriors.
Why is NC standing down all their fleets, a total of 400 people on MM coms without even trying a 2nd time?
Why is NC fcs lying to their fleet members all the time every day? (mistake #4 - #11)
Why are the NC saying they will not reform untill goons comes to help them at 0400?

Well my friends, these questions I cannot answer.

But much like the chief of humvees in Black hawk down, or like the man from thank you for smoking in that new movie battle for LA, Elise randolph Leader of Legions, reshipped and went and took 2 tech moons, reinforced 1 station and 2 ihubs. While the blood of NC mogadishu militia still wet on his face.



gf gf gf.

ujelly?The fact that NC have to have a publicly known password to all their POS and take forever to form means that concerted camping and bumping at their POS in F-D has shut the NC down until the Goons arrive, and when they do they're unlikely have much to combine with. Quite a difference from the promises of 1000 fleets and blueballs that was expected.

Garst Tyrell
April 16 2011, 04:57:28 AM
We had a nice fight tonight, unexpected due to the time zone differences. BAND has been regularly reinforcing our towers, tonight we had a standard us op to save one. Shortly before the tower was out, BAND (russian tz alliance) began to log into their home system and it was obvious they had alarm clocked for it.

They titan bridged about 40 guys, mostly arty abaddons, 3 triage carriers with 2 nyxes on standby to a ping spot off our pos, warped down to it and engaged the tower ignoring our fleet. They chose to cyno on the opposite side of the tower from our 9 shield repping carriers who were able to continue repping the tower uninterrupted throughout the fight. Unfortunately the nyxes never came in.

They were slow on the bubble and we were quick to warp our gang to their cyno, kill the alt and warp back down to the tower on top of them to save travel time. At this time we had about 30-40 pvp ships excluding alts, carriers repping the tower, etc. One of our hictors trolls their carriers with a misclicked cyno next to them :p

About now a 20+ man black legion moonin gang white knighted our side to help clear tackle and whittle down the abaddons. We engaged at 0 quickly killing the support and isolating the carriers which we put down with help from effective pos gunning from our side. A short fight ensues with many of the BAND ships forced to leave the field and fly home in defeat while we killed the carriers.

GF guys and pretty unexpected, ty for the late night fun o7

http://killboard.gypsyband.ru/?a=kill_r ... _id=113681 (http://killboard.gypsyband.ru/?a=kill_related&kll_id=113681)
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9399800

Kb battle report pretty shit so far, give some time for api to kick in

whispous
April 16 2011, 06:22:16 AM
Inb4 Grarr tells you to tone the smug down (i'm not allowed to mod his forums)

Dodgy Past
April 16 2011, 10:35:49 AM
Probably should have made it more clear, it's not my writing just quoting the BR done by someone else since while smug it does cover what happened pretty well.

depili
April 16 2011, 03:53:35 PM
On a more general note, Venal has been quite interesting lately with multiple 20-40 people gangs moving around. As of now both Darkside and Black legion have entered the field with black legion apparently living in 6NJ. Looking forward to first real clusterfuck with 4 or more different fleets :)

Fayceoff
April 16 2011, 08:14:00 PM
In the interests of balance, I should point out that Gypsy Band have had the upper hand over us (Merciless./Cartel./Agony) for the last 10 day with fights going something like 5 or 6 to 3 in their favour, thanks to their very pro use of the arty abaddon/triage carrier fleet and void bombers; and to be fair they haven't dropped SCs all over the place or called their NC friends (presumably NC have more to be concerned about than Gypsy's tech moon empire at this point).

Unfortunately this pro-ness doesn't really translate into small gang pvp, but there were encouraging signs of them actually trying to go roaming today. No real BC/HAC slugfests to report yet tho.

whispous
April 16 2011, 09:54:41 PM
"someone else typed it" is not a good excuse, for reasons you should easily be able to think of

Tyrrax Thorrk
April 16 2011, 11:19:56 PM
You seriously want him to tone someone else's smug down in a reposted battlereport ?
That's ridiculous, and considering the lack of content here he should be thanked for bothering, not bitched at for what someone else posted.
(which is quite informative, so well worth putting up with the retarded smug bits)

whispous
April 16 2011, 11:23:54 PM
If we put up with the smugposts then we must also allow the propaganda posts

Grarr Dexx
April 17 2011, 12:07:05 AM
There's nothing wrong with smug or propaganda, they make this board interesting to read. Posts that don't refer to a battle report or outright pointless and inflammatory comments will just be deleted and a warning will be added to the account.

Now please, let us talk fighting instead of moderation.

Daco
April 17 2011, 12:20:52 AM
So does this mean we can include blob and ruin again?

And for some content.

Last night the russians launched a full on attack of D-I, they brought in a blob or BS and about 8nyx's, 3aeon's and a lot of dreads/carriers. We in brick just sat there and watched them SBU the system and reinforce the iHub, we didn't have a fleet up and we didn't have any experience FCs on to even think about making a counter attack. But tbh if any fc had been on they probably wouldn't have bothered trying to counter it, we just don't have the numbers to ass around with fleets like that.

Some of us did think of setting up some bombers and doing some bomber runs to kill their fighter bombers but it was going to take a bit of effort to get them set up and make our way around to D-I since the JB had been destroyed. Then there was the problem of getting into a locked down bubbled to hell system so we didn't bother in the end.

Grarr Dexx
April 17 2011, 01:02:16 AM
Talking about blobbing falls under the pointless and inflammatory clause.

Fayceoff
April 17 2011, 06:31:03 PM
(presumably NC have more to be concerned about than Gypsy's tech moon empire at this point).
WRONG

I'll let Garst fill in the BR but the spectacle of half the NC chasing little old us around while Vale burns was quite something.

Garst Tyrell
April 17 2011, 06:46:17 PM
(presumably NC have more to be concerned about than Gypsy's tech moon empire at this point).
WRONG

I'll let Garst fill in the BR but the spectacle of half the NC chasing little old us around while Vale burns was quite something.

no need for a br there was no battle. we formed up to fight band, they batphoned when they realized they couldnt win with equal numbers anymore, we got bridged on while traveling home and pincered, blobbed and bent over. bff

Phrynobatrachus
April 17 2011, 07:22:44 PM
From Kugu:


The real battlereport will have to wait until later, because frankly I'm exhausted, but here's the gist of what happened today.

This morning, NC started for to form the two CSAAs that they accidentally timed for RUSRUS prime in C-F. NC formed a bit early and shoved some caps into system to guard the jammer, but Kula Kain and DBRB were leading support so all was not lost. About 600 combined NC, across four gangs, started heading to C-F; they were sort of lolligagging around, RUS dropped ~200 Hellcats onto Kula Kains fleet in z-something. Apparently warping Alpha Fleet onto Hellcats at 0 is not an elite tactical move. NC managed to break off before getting owned too hard, losing about 80 in that engagement.

Learning his lesson, Kula took the NC support gang straight into the cyno-jammed system and set up on a gate at 70. Although 30 White Noise bombers were reported, Kula allegedly assumed "bombers" meant "battlecruisers" and paid no heed. That little miscalculation cost the alpha fleet another 90 or so, so NC (after having regrouped a bit) were now just about 500 again. DRF & PL had just about 480, with a fair amount of supers on standby. The plan was to send half the fleet to the gate, and the other half to the jammer. Arguing ensued about which team got to do what, and Shadoo lost so PL had to take Tengus and shoot a jammer. Kinda sucked. Meanwhile, DBRB was warping Maelstroms around randomly and what was left of the NC fleet was getting obliterated by half a DRF gang. Instead of taking the ~70 caps to ninja-rep the jammer or help out with reps on battle field, they just jumped out and left. It was clear they gave up, so PL went to the grid and started to 0wn. NC support fleet down, jammer down, and suddenly supercaps everywhere. Shortly thereafter, CSAAs down.

We chased Goonie goons around for about 15 minutes, they logged off. Then we found Razor who I guess decided to be stylishly late, but they didn't want to fight either. Then Goons logged back in, took a bridge ahead of us, met up with Razor, and then promptly ran away from us for the next 20 minutes. Outraged by their folly, NC held some SUPER IMPORTANT SPACE MEETING and allegedly scrapped Alpha Fleet altogether, talked to -A- about attacking White Noise space, and asked some PB dudes to move to Vale. Oh, I almost forgot - right before the super spacemeeting Lord 2 Evil lost an Avatar because I guess blind jumping to beacons is what all the cool kids do.


THE DAY WAS NOT OVER. NC called up the B+ Team (if they brought TEST it would have been the A team) to save another set of CSAAs in y0-. This time it was just PL that were around to thwart the evil-doers. They switched it up to some really funky Armor BS - like, Abaddons with 1200 Howitzers and Megabeam type funky. Funky as they may have been, there were 300 & 80 caps. We sat 60 Thundercats on the other side of the gate as the 380 NC, but they refused to jump in. Leaving the gate, they chillaxed in the POS for awhile and then went AROUND the PL fleet to get to y0-. But for some reason they left Dreads to guard Carriers to rep a station, leaving support like 8 jumps away. So we jumped in Thundercats and owned a few caps until they finally realized it was pretty stupid and they peaced out.

Tactical victory NC saved the two CSAAs in y0-, but still had about 6 stations to save. By now their fleet, which had been up for 5 hours because they decided to form 2 hours earlier than usual, was getting tired. The 300 + 70 caps quickly became 150 + 40 caps. I guess they decided to hatch a cunning plan, sent 40 caps in with 40 support to save the IR- system (which was on the final reinforce cycle). I honestly have no idea what they were thinking, the 120 Armor BS watched a PL guy decloak on their POS grid so they knew we knew they were there. Whateves, I guess USTZ NC plays it fast and loose. So we form up again in more Thundercats, RAIDEN start forming up in Hellcats, we log in supers, and NC caps are still sitting with like, no support, zero speed, at a planet. A PL dictor then lands on grid, bubbles all the caps, and we just jump in and start OWNING. The 40 man NC support fleet just peaces right out, and the 120 Armor BS that were "hiding" bridge in at a safe near the caps. We were like, hrm 40 caps or 120 scrubs yea we'll stay here with the 40 caps thanks. It feels like about five minutes of waiting and then the NC Armor fleet comes to save their caps, which had mostly died. Warping 120 support into 80 support, 40 moms, and PL titans that got a chance to refit is really not the best plan. As you can imagine, the NC support fleet didn't fare too well. 35 caps died, I think 3 got out because our in-cyno bumped them out of the bubble, and like 80 of the NC support fleet got a face full of Tengu. We took the system and put another 6 stations into final RF.

So NC saved 2 CSAAs and 1 system today, but they lost 2 CSAAs (confirmed Leviathan and Nyx in build), a 600 man support fleet, a titan, 40 caps, a 120 man support fleet, and I lost count of how many systems got either flipped or pushed into final RF. According to eve-kill (and assuming they mined for their supers) it was a 350 billion isk day for the NC, poor fellas.

IR- battle report (https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_battle.php?start_time=2011-04-17%2003:52:00&end_time=2011-04-17%2004:26:00&system=IR-DYY)

Rans
April 17 2011, 10:03:31 PM
So much...rape, it's beautiful.

Lowa [NSN]
April 17 2011, 10:55:12 PM
This day better be frapsed! :shock:

Also, no mention of lag/response times?

Daco
April 17 2011, 11:10:39 PM
Well atm there are 100+ russians in D-I in a BS/Cap fleet killing the station and station services.

Since Brick is pretty much on our own atm (I believe the NC won't be helping to save Gem) there isn't much we can do about it, we just can't field a fleet big enough to take them on, we can only really muster up half their numbers.

So it is not if we lose gem it is when we lose gem at this point :)

Hunlight
April 18 2011, 01:36:15 AM
wasn't just the kitchen sink, was the whole kitchen.

ended up a 80v250 odd ( rough numbers)

friendly fleet did alrite avoiding complete destruction with a good number getting out.

shame nc worry about us compared to gem cause it ain't going well over there atm :P

Dodgy Past
April 18 2011, 01:50:28 AM
Well atm there are 100+ russians in D-I in a BS/Cap fleet killing the station and station services.

Since Brick is pretty much on our own atm (I believe the NC won't be helping to save Gem) there isn't much we can do about it, we just can't field a fleet big enough to take them on, we can only really muster up half their numbers.

So it is not if we lose gem it is when we lose gem at this point :)
Wasn't the RAGE fleet supposed to be jumping to support you?

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_battle.php?start_time=2011-04-18%2000:32:00&end_time=2011-04-18%2000:37:00&system=O-LR1HWe caught them just off a POS.

They killed our cyno pretty rapidly but we still managed to get enough on grid to hold them and rep a Tengu out of structure.

LoKiPP
April 18 2011, 04:08:21 AM
Got home from work and logged into mumble. Shadoo was doing his bomber dance and he kept saying 'We can almost do this' and a lots of 'hmmmm I think we should'. He quickly called a fdz cyno to bring bombers home, and a lot of pings went out for thundercats. The bubble was dropped and the cyno was light.
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3122/initialjumpin.png

A second cyno went up quickly after ours and my heart jumped. It wasn't called for on mumble, but blues came through. Something we are not used to ;) Raiden. brought their own hellcat fleet. No enemy support fleet was on grid, and the first bubble caught all but 3 carriers. The call for supers went out, on both sides, and they jumped in as session timers expired. A armor fleet warped on grid, pulled in by our hictor bubble. A little too close to our tengus.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6316/enemyganglanding.png

We had two separate FC's calling targets for supers, and targets for support. Was pretty amazing to listen to as the carriers were dying as fast support, and the two experienced FC's and the fleet had no problems with two sets of targets being called.
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/9185/aftermath.png

They tried warping off to a friendly POS but got the password wrong, we landed on them at 0 with a probe result.
We jumped in a combined 22 tengus, 42 abaddons, 4 titans (3 PL 1 Raiden.) and 41 Supercarriers and an assortment of recons (huggins) and logistics.
We killed a total of 32 carriers, 46 battleships, at a total of 97. We captured one station, killed a few ihubs and put around 8 more entities into another cycle of reinforce.

whispous
April 18 2011, 07:21:42 AM
This is a good post ^

Yours, ironically, isn't :nostradamus:

Brother G
April 18 2011, 09:47:58 AM
Ahhh so THAT's what happened to the NC fleet....wow nice work.

Daco
April 18 2011, 11:50:29 AM
So had a fun skirmish with Solar again, I didn't take any screenshots this time so you can just use your imagination ;)

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9:30utc:

We are mostly all docked ship spinning or being afk since there wasn't anything really going and it was looking like it was going to be a boring night. Just as I was about to head of to Minecraft some more someone said a POS was being shot by a Solar Fleet maelstrom fleet in PYY.

We got eyes on them and found out they had around 20-30guys mostly in maelstroms with a few drakes and tackle, they also only had 2 Basilisk. So we form a fleet and get in Scimi's, drakes and canes which we were going to use to get in close and kite. As we were waiting to Titan Bridge ontop of them our eyes said a Scorp Navy Issue had just landed on field with them, so we spammed in alliance there are russians and a scorp navy to kill and our numbers began to go up until we also had around 20-30. The FC then made the call to change out to Abaddons and guardians. So we swap out, I went and got in a guardian because currently it is my only armor ship I own (apart from a carrier), and we get back on the titan.

So it is now 10:00utc and we have got mostly abaddons with an assortment of other armor BS some BC/tackle, 3 guardians and 2 Oneiros. Our eyes then shout that their fleet is moving so FC calls for the cyno to be popped and we jump in on them. Unfortunately most of them are aligned and warp but we catch 4-5 BS and they are quickly disposed of. Our Scorp just bled into hull but our reps held and we took no loses, even the cyno frig servived. We then get a guy to start probing and catch another 2 BS that are at SS. Word comes in that they have landed on the out gate so we warp to gate, but by the time we jump through to D-I they have already warped to a POS so we re-approach gate and hold.

The FC sends an inty to the only other gate they would use to get out of and pretty much as soon as he lands a maelstrom warps to the gate and agresses him, so the inty tackles and we warp to gate. As we got into warp we saw the hostile fleet landing on the gate that we just warped off from so we kill the bait maelstrom and warp back. We get an inty to jump into PYY and he reports they are burning off gate. The FC acts fast and tells fleet to jump in so they don't get too much range on us. Even though we have killed around 5 of their guys they managed to collect a few more that must were afk at the POS they warped to in D-I so numbers are fairly similar again.

We jump in and start burning towards their fleet, us guardians get locks on the few tacklers that we have but in the end we lost a sabre and a ares. Their fleet engages us and people start broadcasting for reps, the first abaddon gets to about 1/4 armor before our reps start holding so they start switching targets, everyone else barely gets past 1/2armor. We have a kronos on field which gets primaried and we start repping him but the kronos doesn't have as big buffer so starts melting fast and he warps off. They then primary a tempest and by the time we get him locked he's pretty much out of armor so we overload reps and bring him back from hull.

At this point they've lost quite a few guys and only managed to kill a inty and dictor so they warp off and we go about looting the field.

All round good fight again from Solar but in the end Brick Squad - Best Squad ;)

Battlereport: http://killboard.brick-squad.com/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=105215
(The battlereport doesn't show it but both fleets were of equal size)

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We have been getting some awesome fights in the AU/NZ tz and it is making for some fun fights. It was also fun to not have PL bridge in on us for once. So thanks PL for not knowing about that fight :D

depili
April 18 2011, 12:34:22 PM
TY good report.

Brother G
April 19 2011, 03:23:20 PM
Around 0000 our I-Hub in D-I was coming out of reinforced.....

Forming our Br1cki armor fleet we have eyes on PL forming a t3 shield gang with local over 100, and 50 solar in and around D-I in shield fleet. PL bomb our jump bridge and get a few afk nappers and we get to laugh at some comedy lossmails.

As the armor reinforce timer gets closer Solar numbers in D-I are around 50, mostly at their POS and trying to harass strays on the station, obviously waiting for the rest of the russians/allies to arrive. PL are still reported forming t3 Tengu fleet and have Titan online to bridge soon.

Comms comes alive when IRC are reported to have a 100man shield gang entering i6 a mere three jumps away and headed our way. FC makes a quick call to warp to Atioth to intercept them on the outgate before the other fleets are ready. Turns out to be a great call, as we land as most of them are jumping in, they are bubbled and the fight is on, our 90odd Armor BS + support vs 100 IRC IN Maelstroms, Drakes and various other shield BS + support. The slugfest starts and primaries are going down pretty fast, we are taking a few losses as well, especially the weaker tanked armor ships and random others but the Abaddons and some others are holding well under reps and Maelstroms are melting on their side. (my favourite primary calls of the night happened at this point "primary poo.....secondary iwasatoad" :lol: For possibly the first time ever Br1ck comms discipline stays pretty quiet! Solar Fleet warp their 50 man gang from behind us and join in after not too long, increasing the dps from their side.

After a few minutes word comes that the Pandemic Legion Tengu and Scimi fleet is coming into system so we brace ourselves and try to take down as many of IRC and Solar and we can before we are completely outgunned/outrepped. Sure enough once PL's t3 fleet start calling primaries now the Abaddons are popping fast too and our logi can no longer hold reps. We go down fighting, even a triage carrier joining the fight to keep some guys alive for a few last kills, before those that can get away and the rest of us get the pod express home.

I believe at some point a 20 man NC drake gang also jumped in to join the carnage, but I didnt really notice them to be honest. Local peaked around 350 with us having around 90 pilots and the 20 or so NC coming in at some point. A few of the guys managed to reship quickly to come back in ceptors/tackle during the 20 minute fight. It was slightly more than we hoped for to be honest, and a great call by the FC to start the fight on our terms and force the reds to fight off guard at first. Without PL dropping in we were confident of coming out on top....but hey that's how Gem is atm. GF GF GF.

Killboard skewed due to smartbombs and god knows what else:
http://killboard.brick-squad.com/?a=kil ... _id=105597 (http://killboard.brick-squad.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=105597)

Lowa [NSN]
April 19 2011, 07:33:38 PM
Very nice reports, standard of GBBS has gone up nicely.

So as there is no doubt I have reduced my self to noobstatus when it comes to what ships is da bomb atm, can someone give a run down on why Tengu's are the new Drakes? ;)

Grarr Dexx
April 19 2011, 07:56:48 PM
They've a higher base speed and lower inertia, a lot less signature radius and comparable volley with increased range.

Dodgy Past
April 19 2011, 08:27:02 PM
They've a higher base speed and lower inertia, a lot less signature radius and comparable volley with increased range.
Higher ROF, similar EHP and resists to an Abaddon, faster than AHACS or MWD'ing BS with a decent AB.

Lowa [NSN]
April 19 2011, 10:33:21 PM
Thanks. So what you are saying is that, once more, its worth spending time and money on technology to get you an edge?*
I like that, reminds of the good times when paying through the nose for a Hac actually meant something.

*Yes, ofc you need to know how to use them etc but still...

Grarr Dexx
April 19 2011, 10:41:25 PM
Of course it is, Legions, Lokis and Proteuses have been superb alternatives to zealots, lachs and god forbid huginns in ahac fleets. But this seems really more of a topic that would belong in the ship fittings forum or general eve.

forteh
April 19 2011, 11:08:18 PM
Tonight was a rather dull night, NC had called for everyone to be online for a CTA to "turn the tide". PL and DRF had around 800 people in zlz waiting for sbus to online whilst the NC had around 200 caps and 1k+ support, instead of getting the fight everyone was hoping for NC decided to not engage but put 2 tech moons into RF whilst DRF + PL reinforced the station / ihub in zlz.
We went home rather dissapointed but our eager scouts had spotted 2 afk motherships in tvn- both conveniently located in passworded poses, it ended up with them being bumped out and quickly disposed of

Nyx : http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9439763
Wyvern : http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9439702

NC morale levels now seem to be at an all time low

Daco
April 19 2011, 11:28:51 PM
Well tbh I would have been relieved they didn't engage, or else it would have been a horrific lag fest.

Can you imagine 2k people in a system all trying to fight on the current server quality.

/me shivers

forteh
April 19 2011, 11:38:58 PM
one can but hope

Helen
April 19 2011, 11:44:35 PM
Man that Wyvern had great cap regen. :psyduck:

Daco
April 20 2011, 03:05:35 AM
Just had an engagement with PL.

This will be a bit rushed so bare with it please.

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We form up a Armor fleet and head out to kill a couple of SBU's. While we're killing them we get word of some PL guys that have jumped into BWF and have warped to a POS with one of our titans in it. So the Titan pilot changes POS pw and the PL ships go flying. I think he man'd some guns and managed to kill a couple of guys as well. Much laughs were had.

So we murge with a NC armor gang and head out to engage the PL tengu gang. PL aren't going to come through to us so we we jump through and engage on their terms. The fight goes on we start losing stuff but also reps are starting to keep up with damage. We kill a Lach that is sitting still and manage to kill 3 tengu's.

Since we have killed some PL they jump in supercaps and we are told to align out. I miss the order to warp, or can't remember even hearing one and end up diaf: http://killboard.brick-squad.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=105804&nolimit

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So gf PL, maybe next time you won't drop SC when you lose a couple of guys................but we know that is not going to happen ;)

Phrynobatrachus
April 21 2011, 01:23:54 AM
NC formed about 600 dudes initially in various fleets, spread across Vale/Tribute for some start objectives after we had pulled back from RFing early on in the day.

They were quite disorganized at start, so we made a call to form to see what we can do with 170 WN/XIX + 100 PL + 100 RAIDEN or so with raiden/rus in BS + triage and PL in thundercats. Unfortunately we formed up a bit late since it takes always time for NC to get together and moving -- and so the tardiness got us and NC got the chance to get every fleet together and into IR- loaded up.

We somehow had missed killing the SBUs earlier on the day when we were running free with SCs , so took a bit to sort cynos and so forth. I think we had about 300-330 or so at this point with NC loaded with 550 or so in local, but it had been a while since RUS had fought so they were hardon to go in.

We bridged to RDN pos and setup warpins on station, warped in and pew-pew started. Initially NC was falling at rate of 3 to 1 on kills/losses. Tengus were raping while not being touched, and WN guardians took brunt of the dmg. To compensate they brought about a dozen triage carriers on field and NC focused on WN abaddons. With lag -- damage was slow to apply and for about 5 minutes NC killed very little while losing few FCs. However, the tide was turning and server started to catch up a little making NC's superior number apply better alpha.

NC went for triage carriers next, few of which where stuck in triage and fell in about 6-7 minutes. While wreck count was still positive, NC had upper hand and were able to bridge reinforcements reliably. Thus the tide was further turning against us. When the 3rd triage carrier fell, NC brought in about 4-6 suicide dreads an handful of triage of their own and were now able to rep while still slowly killing last of the triage carriers.

RUS called deaggro and went in range of station, docking all primaried ships and trying to slip out of triage on few carriers to dock. Nync called "DOCK" and PL lifted off field while dozen or so BS fell who had drifted out fo dock range along with couple of carriers.

From wrecks looked like about even - but RUS/RND obviously lost almost dozen triage carriers. WN took brunt of losses, RND took few triage and dozen BS losses and PL lost one dictor.

NC seems to have realized sometimes less is more, and used good coordination of dmg and triage on field to their advantage. They played smart and won the field.

GF! (eve-kill is probably still syncing, dunno what will end up best collected board for this but for now: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9449222)

Kalorn
April 21 2011, 04:09:53 PM
So we formed up this afternoon for a spot of afternoon fishing. The outlook for the day looked quite bright, with lots of capital movement occurring across VOTS / Geminate. Most of it was freighter movement (both jumpfreighters, and via Titan Bridges) and a lot of Carrier movement as Corps moved assets back towards Empire.

The next hour was spent doing alt stuff - invention, some of my own logistics - whilst our eyes were out and about looking for opportunities. It was evident that most of the movement that was happening was station-station, leaving the opportunities to jump on stuff as being extremely limited. For the most part, it was fairly quiet and uneventful.

One of our guys spotted a Carrier who had just jumped to 7-UH4Z, and a cyno was put up with our Macherials/Scimitars bridging through and bumping it away from the forcefield. It took a fairly long time to go down, decent tank coupled with us lacking on DPS, I'd guesttimate it took 5-7 minutes before it finally popped. Support started burning back the ~14 jumps towards FDZ, when somebody mentioned on voicecomms that they had a Titan in a passworded POS in WBR5-R. As support was still 4-5 jumps out at the time, the decision was made to hold a couple of minutes so we had ships available to bump (at this point we had two hictors and Admiral Traun's Vindicator sat on a Titan). A minute or two later (with support still being 2 jumps out), BRIDGE BRIDGE BRIDGE - two Hictors and the Vindicator bridge onto the POS the Titan was in. As we bridge in, the cyno pops - but luckily we all dropped on the Tower rather than random safespots.

My Hictor alt - Brutus Iscariot, and FrozenLight burned towards the edge of the tower, bubbles up - quickly ensuring that the Titan was bubbled (albeit inside the forcefield). The Vindicator burned inside the forcefield, and started bumping the Avatar towards the edge of the forcefield. It was at this point that support started arriving on our Bridge Titan, so I lit a cyno on the edge of the POS (that was tearing through my Hictor at a decent pace), and a whole load of Macherials arrived on the scene.

I'm sure you can imagine that it didn't take long at this point to bump fbrz out of the shields, and as he bounced outside friendly Supers and Titans cyno'd in. I managed to save my Cyno Hic at 15% Armor via some Aeon remote rep loving. <3

A couple of minutes later and it was all over.
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboa ... ?id=393519 (https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=393519)

An interesting end to an otherwise quiet afternoon, I lost a cyno bomber alt to gate rats in a lowsec system whilst all this was going down, but had 3 of my characters on that Titan killmail. :P

indeterminacy
April 22 2011, 02:16:07 PM
as Corps moved assets back towards Empire

Confirming this. We got our 'guise run to high sec' orders yesterday. There'll be carrier trains all weekend.

In other news. There was a multi hour (think 8+) multi region bomber fleet last night which did everything from kill sbus (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9456635) and gank (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9456679) campers (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9456960) in vale (not sure I'm a fan of the highs on the nanopest) to assisting tech saves and welping a few on an NC. POS in pure blind before heading back to vale for ZLZ funtimes.

drink, smoke, drink, drink was had by all.

In XSQ after killing the SBU a few guys were re-arming at a cloaky hauler who wasn't so cloaky. PL dram and comet engage him. All fleet warp to tackled hauler. Looks like he'll be fine - some asshat bombs and kills him. Dram runs away and comet DIAFs. Now I remember why I hate bombers: stupid pilots.

PB was pretty quiet. NC. poked towards R-2 as moons came out but apparently reshipped into frigates and headed for the route between PB and Vale. ~almost~ like they knew exactly what we were doing. How strange is that, right? EDIT:oh, we also shot some POS in R6X with little success. I dunno what it was, etc as I was not properly fitted for POS work so remained off grid.

I actually ate dinner in between these major events so may have missed something. I dropped fleet after PB. Sounds like it was kinda rough in ZLZ. Node problems? And many bombers died...but I haven't found a coherent BR for this yet.

Daco
April 23 2011, 12:31:56 PM
Had a gf with Red Alliance tonight, so I will write up a Battlereport tomorrow morning(or afternoon depending on how long I sleep for).

Also got a lot of good fraps so will be able to go back over it and check it out :)

Jackblasta
April 23 2011, 10:52:38 PM
as Corps moved assets back towards Empire

Confirming this. We got our 'guise run to high sec' orders yesterday. There'll be carrier trains all weekend.



Your alliance's space is in PB, I thought only assets in vale & geminate were to be evacced?

Daco
April 24 2011, 05:53:09 AM
SO I said I'd write up a BR for a skirmish Brick had with RA.

Basically about 30 RA guys in drake/cane/cyn/scimi gang came through into bwf so we rallied the guys and got a very similar fleet together, they only had 2 scimi's and we had 4 but our gang was only 20-25 on field (we had 30 in gang but not all were there)

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10:00utc RA leaves BWF heading for I00 so we chase and catch a drake which dies quickly. RA jumps into 01- with us close behind and they head to OEY-, when they jump in our forward eyes say they are burning off the gate so we jump in and engage. We take the first loss being a Hurricane but since our scimi's are set up at this point our reps start holding on the rest of our guys that get primeried. We take down around 3 of them at this point without taking any further loses. RA starts aligning out and people start scrambling for points but only manage to get point on a Drake and RA warps out.

We quickly loot field and regroup. RA warps back into the gate and engages a friendly hurricane that is sitting on the gate by himself, we quickly burn towards him to get reps and he jumps out in armor. We engage and get a couple more kills without any loses.

At this point in the fight we have an onyx on each side of the gate and our gang split between them, RA for about half an hour decloaks burns to gate and jumps, and we keep on getting atleast 1 kill ever 2 jumps they do. So after about half an hour they finally engage on one of the sides. The fight is on.

We jump through and engage and almost immediately we see they have managed to get 2 machs and a lot more ecm. 2 of our scimi's are jammed almost instantly so it only leaves myself and another scimi unjammed, the other scimi is primaried and by the time the other scimi's have gotten lock again he is dead. They then primary me and a nighthawk, I stay on field as long as I can then I jump in 5% armor:
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1935/unledwm.jpg
I burn back to gate and jump back in, while I was burning back to gate the call is made to deagress and we lose another scimi that gets bumped off the gate.

We start burning back for bwf and we take no extra loses once we deagress. When we are burning I notice our nighthawk jumped out with 0 shield and 0 armor which made me go :shock:. We jump through a gate and there are 3 RA intys on the gate and I get pointed by a malediction which is quickly disposed of. We warp to a station and dock up.

So a great fight, ecm is still a bit overpowered but I had ecm drones that kept jamming a hurricane on their side the whole fight so I won't complain about it too much. Most of the loses we took during the fight were just intys which we couldn't rep before they died. Most of the BC/cruiser loses we took were either when we deagressed and ran or they got too close to their fleet and the dps was too high for us to rep.

BR: http://killboard.brick-squad.com/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=106556

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GF once again from the russians and I got some awesome scimi footage (yay finally got fraps).

Phrynobatrachus
April 24 2011, 05:18:20 PM
I guess I'll attempt to summarize some happenings over last 24hours.

Yesterday started with a rep&ref cycle in the morning, as we often do with RUS on field. Few tech towers were repped up, while more tech towers were knocked into RF. I think we may have SBUed few systems too, it's hard to keep track tbh.

So hard in fact come 16:00 or so we forgot about IR- and F-D coming out of RF :D. We kinda noticed after hostiles were seen moving towards them with 120-140 or so duders and lay to work on the station. PL/RDN ping for duders, PL gets about 70-80ish Tengu fleet and raiden forms with 30ish Abaddons and few triage carriers. PL drops on the station perch where NC are, Raiden do same and NC warps off so a safe.

Mad probing starts up and we get results for them... in a Fleet Staging Plex. As our scout lands, last of them warp into the plex and we scratch our heads thinking WTF. We regroup and follow, but hostiles seem to have bounced by now. Mad probing continues until scout calls hostiles landing on the h-1 gate @ 0 and jumping out. Raiden is there with them, but someone bubbles the gate and PL lands 30km off the gate in Tengus. Raiden follow to other side, hostiles do not warp off but regroup.

Phreeze dealing with a massive hangover, as you can imagine from his NOT ONE INCH posts here, has a derp and orders 4 BS to be killed in IR- thus aggroing everyone. NC realize they have 30 RDN BS with no logistics (their triage is on the other side in bubbles) and PL is aggroed. They start tearing down Raiden dudes who expect PL to be behind them, and about 4-5 falls as Phreeze gets dishonourably discharged from all PL services access and PL jumps in. We bubble, pew-pew-pew now the NC fleet. They fall left right and centre before ~20 remain on field who warp off. We catch 4-5 BS more one jump out before peacing out.

Our dudes go to drink whatever shit they drink, and apparently PL/RDN forgets to post an op for 7-K. NC on the otherhand does not forget and noticing lack of ops, they form with a lot of dudes looking to capitalize on holidays/weekend and lack of hostiles. About 600 NC form and start moving, reinforcements also start going in and while NC bridging into 7-K 2h before timer, they have about 700 dudes. PL has 20 bombers, does a run on one fleet and nets a few dozen kills.

RUS/RDN/PL start forming to see what we can scrape together and as the station timer creeps closer, some 400 dudes are ready in support. We decide to roll the dice and logon all supercapitals. Some 500 dudes now stand ready to go and we cyno in at the station as it comes out and prepare for fights. NC notices and warps in, lag kicks in with now about 1200 in local with 100 supercarriers launching drones -- DMG is pathetic, but 30 titan DDs go off thinning the hostiles off FCs and comamndships. PL titan also DDs the Raiden FC Loki .

Titan guns seem to be the only thing working -- but they are working well and BS fall quickly. NC having killed 5-10 dudes with alpha at this stage decide to make this a structure shoot and warp their support to POS while cynoing in ~40-60 caps on h-5 gate SBU. DRF/PL/RDN accept the challenge and swap to FBs and put them on the station.

DPS race is on, and as system becomes more responsive our FBs take the lead with the station falling faster than the SBU. But as the station flips -- NC damage picks up and as we land on the TCU the SBU is now entering structure. SBU dies moments before TCU enters armor. Little "well what now" moment is observed by both sides since PL own the station and Cold Steel own the TCU.

DRF/RDN/PL get warpins on capitals still at gate and decide to get some pew-pew out of this all and quickly 30 caps are falling. NC however has probed out few crashed supers and make a play for a Nyx. Luckily Lenid Kalkin is playing probing warps and we quickly follow finishing off few more dreads and owning some BS while repping Grath Telkin's nyx.

NC caps dead, cat & mouse is played out over 30 minutes while Imperian probes crashed capitals and kills few off and we finish some of their caps and catch unaligned straggle. We bring in Machariels to bump and force NC's hand. Either logoff or warp off, or get bumped out and die. ~10 BS die to Mach bumps while NC weights options and make a beeline for h-u gate.

PL warps after them while Mr Rive says on comms "As we land on gate I want *mumble mumble* to jump in". 300 NC and 80 PL stand on gate. 300 NC jumps, and 8 PL dudes realize the *mumble mumble* was actually supposed to be "HICTORS/DICTORS".

Gloria Khan, 2 other Tengus and a Machariel + some scimmies die to 300 NC on the other side.

NC heads home, we anchor towers and peace out while US TZ reforms and goes on a ihub/tech binge killing 3-4 techs, losing 1 carrier to a DD and failing to secure anchoring of one tech, thus promptly losing it again. US TZ hubris and ADD are powerful opponents to PL.

As morning dawns, Imperian forms an easter morning egg hunt and forms 100 "suicide BS" fleet. No one notices or pays attention, so with 30 min left on 7-k anchoring brave egg hunters enter system and start work on the TCU. Apparently the POS guns are all bugged, so none of them shoot anyone even when gunned :D. As such, 6 minutes left on the TCU -- it explodes. PL/RDN/RUS formup a small revenge fleet to test said "suicide" part of the fleet -- but to our disapointment the NC fleet rather withdraws from the field happy they got a TCU kill and RFed the PL tower. Fair play, we had 200 dudes with 50 supers.

We kill TCU and plant our own, while scouting lost Tech moons (we lost 2 in the night + morning) and set back into work. I'm not quite sure why NC made a play for some back water station in the eve of a ZLZ fight, but ok. I'm sure there'll be plenty more BBQs in this system as the TCU ping pong commences for the next 24h or so.


H-1/IR fight PL BR: https://www.pandemic-legion.com/kill...&system=H-1EOH

7-K EVE-KILL BR: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9500543

gf gf gf

Liptonez
April 24 2011, 07:23:31 PM
NCdot just appeared in H-PA, jumping in 100+ carriers at once. Now they're hugging the station trying to achieve something which I'm not so sure about yet. Looks like they'll stay for a little longer.

Hunlight
April 25 2011, 01:22:12 AM
NCdot just appeared in H-PA, jumping in 100+ carriers at once. Now they're hugging the station trying to achieve something which I'm not so sure about yet. Looks like they'll stay for a little longer.

let the fun and games begin, venal will defiantly be hotting up more over the next few weeks.

be interesting to see the nc's take on it with them loosing space rapidly to the east and internal drama everywhere.

Helen
April 25 2011, 02:31:51 AM
02:28:42 Notify The station ZLZ-1Z IV - Moon 3 - ZLZ Virak's Cheesy Bread Oven has been captured by GK inc. corporation!

NC decided to stream their ts while the station finally came out.

R.A.G.E TCU now down as well.

RAGE capital system down (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9513402)

drealar
April 25 2011, 05:13:38 AM
I've already got my personal tech moon, have you?
On topic, anything newsworthy here lately? Work's taking up more of my time than I'd like :(

anheuser
April 25 2011, 01:02:36 PM
(Posted this originally in the Venal thread by mistake)

Some of the non-DRF reds to NC have claimed y5j. TCU onlining, but not sure who owns it - either PL, Raiden or NC. Died about halfway through a post-DT battle to try to gank a cap ship or two and thus missed the rest of the action and info. NC were doing quite well until PL got organised and started logging in lots of supers and titans (at least 10 titans and 30 SCs I spotted between Y5J and 2CG). At that point, it was a fight for survival on our side. I think a good chunk got out, but still, with those numbers, hard to compete with a BS-only fleet.

Right now, NC is being supremely out blobbed by our enemies. We didn't bother trying to fight earlier in the day when the DRF logged in 300+ supers in ZLZ. From what I've seen from my non-euro TZ, pretty hard to match those kinds of numbers - I've not seen an NC cap fleet that big since the old delve days where we had full fleets of dreads. That said, we've been in similar positions before, seemingly on the down side of the war, then our enemy at the time makes one mistake and we bounce back hard (eg lastBoB and friends siege of h-w). Will be interesting to see if the same happens again this time. DRF plus a cashed up PL are certainly a force to be reckoned with.

Helen
April 25 2011, 01:06:43 PM
Majesta Empire tried to gank a PL Wyvern right before DT but apparently it survived @ 30% shields as DT hit.
Word is they've not tried to log in the 20 supers since then.

To clarify the poster above me it wasn't just PL supers logging in. :guinness:

forteh
April 25 2011, 01:29:45 PM
I am pretty sure that the NC could bring a equal supercap fleet, I guess it doesnt help when your FC logs of during the formup and the RAGE only brings around 80 people the defend their homesystem. I honestly thought that we wouldnt be able to take zlz- , now I am wondering when NC will actually put up a defense

Helen
April 25 2011, 01:51:33 PM
Well traditionally its only when Tribute is under threat does the real NC morale blogging start.

Liptonez
April 25 2011, 03:12:38 PM
Lol whoever just deleted this jewel:


Right now, NC is being supremely out blobbed by our enemies. We didn't bother trying to fight earlier in the day when the DRF logged in 300+ supers in ZLZ.

Comedy gold (also note how the 150 supers were doubled).

indeterminacy
April 25 2011, 05:48:33 PM
as Corps moved assets back towards Empire

Confirming this. We got our 'guise run to high sec' orders yesterday. There'll be carrier trains all weekend.



Your alliance's space is in PB, I thought only assets in vale & geminate were to be evacced?


Panic has spread like wildfire.
Thank god I jumped all my shit out in time.

Meanwhile:
Formed up lots of dudes for ZLZ last night. Only a select few (70?) brave NC combers dared to jump in. Battlereports are a little messed up still not sure what's up.

For the bomber gang: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9513410
But I'm also finding another BR here: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9513694 which is worth posting cuz, lolsupers.

Was fun and relaxing considering the soul crushing alternative.

I was on grid with our ride home when the call was given to wrap things up. Had to warp off and back. I hit the jump to option, said no portal active. Our blops guy keeled a hostile SB and jumped out commenting that he didn't care about my bomber :P. I magically appeared in desti system despite the error message. :ccp:

Liptonez
April 25 2011, 07:02:21 PM
I am pretty sure that the NC could bring a equal supercap fleet, I guess it doesnt help when your FC logs of during the formup and the RAGE only brings around 80 people the defend their homesystem. I honestly thought that we wouldnt be able to take zlz- , now I am wondering when NC will actually put up a defense

Looking at dotlan and how a friend from RAGE approached me yesterday, it's pretty obvious that all the halfway skilled PVPers have long ago left the alliance. Was surprised though that some pretty okayish PVPers stayed in that fail alliance for so long (still wonder why they went to RAGE in the first place :? ).

I do wonder where the all the people from failcascaded alliances will go though. I'm not too sure how much the people in RAGE are loyal to the NC, same for Majesta, who will hopefully be the next ones. Looks like they're dead already anyway. Considering MAGE have/had a lot of ex-southern PVPers, I'm pretty sure those will leave MM to die. Why would you try to save a sinking ship full of stinking rats. All the other PVP corps that have been in the NC for a long time, are a good 95% utter shit, imo.

So that leaves who to defend H-W? MM comes to mind, but it stops right there. I personally haven't seen a Razor dude in months, even though I lived in Venal for more than a month now. What's left is MH and all the ex-providence trash over in PB, who can't do anything serious. If you ask me, MAGE have been the only serious PVP "powerhouses" in the NC for months now, with them gone, it's over.

Also, pretty sure NC couldn't match RUS/PL's super numbers, even if we were looking at the NC from months ago. PL and Raiden alone double RUS' super numbers, and RUS would easily have 100+ supers if they'd actually commit them.

Good thing about this blob that is attacking the NC is, it's not really a stable blob like the NC was. Some people (especially on kugu) seem to forget that the factors deciding this war are PL and Raiden, not the russians themselves. Without PL they'd be stuck just like they were when they assaulted C-J months ago.

Kalorn
April 25 2011, 08:51:15 PM
There's quite a lot of exaggeration going on here.


NC were doing quite well until PL got organised and started logging in lots of supers and titans (at least 10 titans and 30 SCs I spotted between Y5J and 2CG)

PL had less than 25 Supercaps available for the fight that occurred after this morning's downtime. Most of those weren't even logged in. In comaparison, you had ~16 Motherships and 1(?) Titan in system, engaged when downtime hit.

You were correct regarding the Wyvern though - the PL Wyvern logged in after downtime with ~17% shield.


We didn't bother trying to fight earlier in the day when the DRF logged in 300+ supers in ZLZ

You need to learn to count (or fire whoever is giving you intel). :) There were roughly 130-140 Supercaps for the final ZLZ timer. At it's peak, DRF+Raiden+PL has mustered at the absolute most 200 Motherships/Titans - and that's a little exaggeration in itself.


[03:21] <Phoenus> 23 Aeons
[03:21] <Phoenus> 71 Nyxes
[03:21] <Phoenus> 1 Wyvern
[03:21] <Phoenus> 13 Avatars
[03:21] <Phoenus> 9 Erebus
[03:21] <Phoenus> 1 Leviathon
[03:21] <Phoenus> 4 Ragnaroks
[03:21] <Phoenus> on scan at zlz station

And this ^ included 99% of the friendly supercap fleet.

Phrynobatrachus
April 26 2011, 02:02:58 AM
http://i.imgur.com/Wsvkv.jpg

Garst Tyrell
April 26 2011, 03:37:48 AM
Venal has been somewhat static. With BAND having reclaimed most of their tech moons they have devolved to guristas mission running, general bearing NC style and sitting still for the time being occasionally shooting our poses in some stupid early eu tz and getting mad when our timers are stronted after they go to bed. :monocledowns:

On the plus side ncdot has moved to h-pa which means the region should see more action. RAZOR has taken an interest in the co2/wepra pocket lately, probably trolling them since lee chanka is constantly trying to solo razor poses in his rev.

Looks like arty abddons will be the new NC fotm replacing maels

edit: also black legion is back from geminate and doing us tz munin stuff

Elise Randolph
April 26 2011, 06:46:50 AM
So apparently the Geminate war has been covered here by Shadoo reposts and horrible Daco Cutter (whoever that is) BRs. This last week has been pretty busy, and while I didn't go into detail about the insignificant (though fun as they may be) fights I did cover the major ones.

War Update: April 16- April 23 - Vale Ablaze as Geminate Smolders

This week was a one to forget for the NC, a definitive turning point in the conflict from both perspectives. Asset-wise, NC are down 4 Titans, 7 Supercarriers, 7 CSAAs, 24 Technetium moons, and just over 100 conventional Capitals. It's not all bad, the NC did manage to kill 11 carriers, though still not the trade-off they were looking for. The week saw the final nail in the Geminate coffin, with both NC and DRF forces taking the fight to Vale. The NC stood defiant, timing everything for the US timezone in an attempt to recreate the success they had early in the campaign. With Pandemic Legion in the picture, however, this proved to be disastrous.

Saturday the 17th, a careless RAGE-led NC fleet went cavorting with a meager capital and subcapital gang doing logistics and infrastructure repair. Previously these types of gangs went about uncontested, and obviously the FC in charge thought his numerical superiority would make up for a complete lack of tactical awareness. Much to his dismay, a PL dictor managed to bubble the entirety of the Capital gang and they were quickly mowed down. In full panic mode, the NC support gang zerg'd in to help. Too little, too late; the support gang met the same fate. The NC, clearly disparaged, called for a High Command meeting Sunday night. Things were about to change.

At the NC High Command meeting, the powers that be decided to scrap the NC-developed Alpha Fleet doctrine and instead shifted toward a PL-developed Abaddon-heavy makeup. Additionally, they decided it was time for a counter-attack. With -A-wagon being persuaded to open another front - attacking White Noise assets in Feythabolis - an NC counter would shift the advantage firmly in their direction. Monday, NC stalwart Imperian led a hush-hush op of Capitals through low-sec in order to reinforce DRF assets. The operation ended abruptly, with DRF forces pouncing on the support-less NC Supers and Capitals. Fortuitously, with low-sec being terrible, only 4 NC Supers were lost in this debacle.

On Tuesday, a full NC CTA was called - all members, all supers, all A-Team FCs; no expense would be spared. With over 1,300 in fleet, the NC behemoth was ready to steamroll through stations, moons, and reclaim all lost assets in Vale. The plan was not without fault, though, as the NC Logistics team neglected to protect their SBUs. As such, the NC Fleet lumbered over itself, in a 9-hour long CTA they managed to reinforce two moons and one station system. To make matters worse, they clumsily lost three Supercarriers to the tenacious Legion. By all accounts, the day was an abysmal failure on the battlefield. For all their faults, the NC is not totally inept. The evening of this catastrophe served as a springboard for another meeting, this time only between trusted leaders. The topic: making the Geminate and Vale campaign an isolated travesty. NC High Command had the foresight to pin the campaign upon the narrow shoulders of a former BRUCE diplomat Ronan Teisdari. Using RAGE and Majesta, two entities whom many believe to have long since lived out their usefulness, as scapegoats for a failed defense would open up the possibility for a fresher, more active group to take their space: Fidelas Constans. In essence, if Vale were to fall then it would be seen as a form of Spring cleaning and core NC morale would be left undisturbed, possibly even boosted. Furthermore, if the NC were to prop up RAGE long enough to tire DRF Legion forces out, but not give them any major Supercapital victories, perhaps their attack would peter out at the borders of Tribute. A shrewd maneuver, indeed. While the NC members would not simply roll over, as that would set a dangerous precedent, the decision was made that they would refrain from committing Supercapitals to the cause.

Fighting continued through the week, punctuated with utter domination in ZLZ and 7-K. After a cyno-jamming debacle, the ZLZ's IHUB, along with a 250 man NC support gang, fell in US prime. The next day in 7-K, the NC put on a brave face and formed 800 sub-capitals in Euro-prime to save a station. DRF Legion forces formed up late with 450 support, but unlike the NC they were willing to throw Supercapitals into the mix. With two-hundred Supers and Capitals at the ready, DRF Legion forces jumped into the system. Lag ensured that damage was applied every ten minutes, and after about forty minutes of slide-show fighting, NC forces mustered a 25-man suicide Dread fleet and cyno'd in on the SBU. If they were going to lose the support fight, damned if they weren't going to save the system. NC support made the interesting call to break away from the station grid to apply damage to the SBU, and the race was on: DRF Legion fighter-bombers began grinding through the station while NC Dreads went after the SBU. The SBU dropped slowly while the fighter-bombers loaded the system. As the SBU entered armor, the fighter-bombers were in full swing and DRF Legion DPS had quickly surpassed that of the NC gang. With the SBU at 50% armor the station flipped to Legion control, but the race was not yet over: there was still a TCU to grind through. By this point the node was too far gone, as DPS began applying to the TCU the SBU was destroyed. NC forces, given at least a three-hour reprieve, seemed to hold an advantage. After trying to gank Capitals with limited success, the NC cut their losses and opted to go home. Three hours later a replacement SBU onlined and the TCU was killed without incident.

7-K was a worthless stationed controlled by pets of pets, and still 750 showed up; ZLZ would be the final showdown. Although the jammer was down, the timer was still deep in the US time zone and thus the NC had a bit of an advantage, or so they thought. Cautiously optimistic, NC High Command made a risky gamble: they would publicly declare that saving ZLZ was the number-one priority. Platitudes and cheers echoed through the NC community: "We call upon every member of the NC to assist in crushing our foes once and for all. Come to our defense for it is not just our assets and space that is at risk but everyone's. We must stand strong and united or we must stand weak and defeated" and "What's the hardest rock? Diamond. What's harder than Diamond? The NC! ?ach one of you are heroes, each one of you are legends, you carry the NC's banner now, keep up the reputation for excellence. I say to those faceless Drones: 'COME AND HAVE A GO IF YOU THINK YOU'RE HARD ENOUGH!'" just to cite a few. Understanding the importance that the NC placed upon ZLZ, DRF Legion responded in turn; as time drew nearer, ZLZ local became more and more populated with the DRF Legion forces. After weeks of CTAs and crushing defeats the NC morale speech did nothing for their numbers, instead it served as a springboard for DRF Legion. NC scouts looked in horror as some 80 Titans and 185 Supercarriers loomed ominously in ZLZ. Having already decided not to commit Supercapitals, NC head-FCs realized there was nothing to do and passed the reigns onto their underlings. NC grunts stood anxious, while first-time FCs waffled on what to do. After an embarrassing navigation faux pas, the NC eventually accepted that ZLZ was a lost hope. Eight hours later, without any attempts to down the TCU, ZLZ was in DRF Legion control; RAGE HQ was captured.

With ZLZ down, Vale was on the verge of falling. Junior SVK, a dominant NC FC in RAGE, held a corp-only meeting to discuss leaving RAGE. The NC Inner Circle decided to fully put into motion their contingency plan and named Fidelas Constans full NC members; distance was placed between core NC members and RAGE & Majesta in order to salvage morale. Feeling betrayed by the NC core members, and rightfully so, RAGE decided to strike back. Early Monday morning, sovereignty in Y5J - a pivotal system adjacent to Tribute core - "mysteriously" dropped. A loud, albeit passive-aggressive, message was sent to core NC members. While the the fate of Vale is still a long way from being inked, the events of this last week threw a proverbial money wrench in the status quo of the NC. It will be interesting to see how the events of this devastating week will effect the NC as a whole, and if the relationship between RAGE/ME and the rest of the NC is beyond repair.


http://i.imgur.com/kVj2t.png

Omeega
April 26 2011, 07:53:13 AM
Thank you for that Elise!

Liptonez
April 26 2011, 11:42:29 AM
Venal feels like Syndicate of a few months ago right now. A couple independent corps/alliances, and a big naplist that puts up 50+ man roaming gangs and 100+ man CTA fleets for ~goodfights~.
Then there's CO2 camping PF- all day, and WEPRA who I've never seen undocked.

But yeah, it's a little static. I never found NPC regions to be the core spot of PVP anyway, you just go out to sov space and rape the residents.

Don Pellegrino
April 26 2011, 12:47:35 PM
I removed some worthless posts, please stay on topic.

Thanks Elise, that was a great post.

depili
April 26 2011, 01:25:36 PM
Co2 has few smallish roams each day (in the 5-10 pilot range) and wepra undocks when led by Lee Chanka, which happens almost daily. Wepra (Wild boars alliance) and Co2 are blue to each other but not to anyone else in venal.

Then there is the merciless+agony+ncdot+evoke+black legion nap-train harassing gypsy (and the rest of the nc by proxy).

As we (co2 and wepra) don't have the numbers needed to go toe-to-toe with anyone else we just do the occasional gatecamp or a roam (and Lee Chanka tries to ninja-RF towers with a solo revelation).

Deja Thoris
April 26 2011, 02:10:28 PM
Thanks Elise, I've been gagging to read a concise and entertaining post what eaxactly is happening at the mo. Are you going for the jugular with this or just whittling down the fringes? (I'm so out of date!)

Atticus
April 26 2011, 05:25:24 PM
I just moved here this weekend after 1.5 yr in the South. Corp is rolling in over the next couple of days and pulling an EAK from Dead Terrorists' "Back to our Roots!" Alot of "Venal, Baby, Venal!" and Swingers' references are being made in corp chat. I can't speak for EU TZ but US TZ has been fun. NC are really boring these days and even the carebears are less common than when I was last here. NCDOT brings it but tends to smack too much. Lots of l33t pvp going on.

Black Legion. are not blue/nap with NCDot/Evoke. Already netted a Mach kill piloted by Wicked Princess. :)

Bashiri
April 26 2011, 06:36:02 PM
Co2 has few smallish roams each day (in the 5-10 pilot range) and wepra undocks when led by Lee Chanka, which happens almost daily. Wepra (Wild boars alliance) and Co2 are blue to each other but not to anyone else in venal.

Then there is the merciless+agony+ncdot+evoke+black legion nap-train harassing gypsy (and the rest of the nc by proxy).

As we (co2 and wepra) don't have the numbers needed to go toe-to-toe with anyone else we just do the occasional gatecamp or a roam (and Lee Chanka tries to ninja-RF towers with a solo revelation).


Black Legion been blue to Merciless for almost a year now.

Evoke/NCdot/agony/cartel and Mecriless are all nap to shoot nc

Jester
April 26 2011, 06:37:37 PM
NC are really boring these days and even the carebears are less common than when I was last here.
Not surprising. The military indices are dropping like meteors in Fade/Pure Blind. Ratting -- and therefore, ratter kills, and therefore, home defense fleets -- have all but ceased. When I checked last night, there were only four Military Index 5 systems left in the entire PB region.

Elo
April 26 2011, 08:16:25 PM
BL are only blue to merciless fyi

Phrynobatrachus
April 26 2011, 10:18:46 PM
ME Erebus down (https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=396080)

Helen
April 26 2011, 10:35:03 PM
ME Erebus down (https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=396080)

Not clear in comments did that titan try to dd a PL carrier? Or was this from an earlier event?

Phrynobatrachus
April 26 2011, 10:40:12 PM
ME Erebus down (https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=396080)

Not clear in comments did that titan try to dd a PL carrier? Or was this from an earlier event?

They're referring to a carrier he DD'ed a few days ago.

Helen
April 26 2011, 10:51:07 PM
Name looks familar isn't that the same titan pilot from daisho/i (?) syndicate?

Traxio Nacho
April 26 2011, 11:32:06 PM
Name looks familar isn't that the same titan pilot from daisho/i (?) syndicate?

Sin Corp was one of the original Dashio corps if I remember correctly.

Vrikaan Phoenix
April 27 2011, 02:20:22 AM
Name looks familar isn't that the same titan pilot from daisho/i (?) syndicate?

Sin Corp was one of the original Dashio corps if I remember correctly.

Yes he was in Daisho Syndicate, I think he was banned for RMT at some point too

Elise Randolph
April 27 2011, 04:47:53 AM
It's Ketch Kan's titan. He did some slick login-logout maneuvers, but for some reason he kept doing them and we eventually got aggro on him. He proceeded to log off after watching himself get aggress'd and promptly died in under 40 seconds. Two more Vale stations were flipped today and a Tech moon was lost. BUT the NC tried to pull back a station in F-D; we were going to stop them, but figured we may be able to grab something juicy while they reinforced. No such opportunity arose :(

Hunlight
April 27 2011, 11:09:11 AM
Well as of last night volta have two logged off titans with no pos now in h-pa unless they got them out during us tz. Goons decided not to come and play last night which was a shame so no fight to be had, just the tower to kill.

depili
April 27 2011, 12:29:37 PM
Well as of last night volta have two logged off titans with no pos now in h-pa unless they got them out during us tz. Goons decided not to come and play last night which was a shame so no fight to be had, just the tower to kill.

Getting the titans out shouldn't be a problem unless you put up a new tower and anchored tons of bubbles on the site. Logonski->join fleet -> jump

Hunlight
April 27 2011, 12:39:38 PM
Well as of last night volta have two logged off titans with no pos now in h-pa unless they got them out during us tz. Goons decided not to come and play last night which was a shame so no fight to be had, just the tower to kill.

Getting the titans out shouldn't be a problem unless you put up a new tower and anchored tons of bubbles on the site. Logonski->join fleet -> jump

well I dunno what nc. are doing on that front but we shall see .

Helen
April 27 2011, 05:43:05 PM
Pretty damn laughable situation regarding the v0lta pos in h-pa, to give some background information D00M. in ncDOT used to be led by Darknesss (who is CEO of v0lta) instead of simply saying hey can we take your moon spot as no others are free they decided it would be simpler just to try to rf it.
They then lost several ships including a dread.

As for v0lta titans even if they lose them I don't think they'll have issues replacing them.
Why the fuck you'd want to piss them off I don't know but still if its fun more power to you.

Kalorn
April 27 2011, 10:46:16 PM
BRICK Nyx down in BWF
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboa ... ?id=396489 (https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=396489)

Decided to chill out at a passworded POS. Had his vacation cut short. :) :)

Brother G
April 28 2011, 11:11:32 AM
Any Nyx pilot who goes afk at a POS should be 'relieved' of it tbh! :roll:

Mona
April 28 2011, 11:40:11 AM
how long it took from "he's lockable!"?

Kalorn
April 28 2011, 12:54:34 PM
how long it took from "he's lockable!"?

Honestly not sure, 6-7 minutes perhaps? Didn't remember to flick on fraps. :(

badvar
April 28 2011, 10:08:41 PM
That lone Wyvern pilot really deserves a medal.

Helen
May 4 2011, 07:12:34 AM
17 out of 17 Geminate stations under RUS control.
12 out of 42 Vale of the Silent stations under RUS control. (Holy fuck CCP let us destroy stations this is fucking silly.)

Several more Vale stations in RF with the majority of tech in Vale firmly under RUS/PL control. :obama:

Think NC have mostly gone riding bikes with Goons in Cobalt Edge to annoy IRC rather than defend NC held space.

Armyofme
May 4 2011, 08:39:41 AM
(Holy fuck CCP let us destroy stations this is fucking silly.)
Make it so :psyccp:
I had no idea vale had that many stations, thats just insane

Redclaws
May 4 2011, 11:53:34 AM
Anybody got statistics on howmany 0.0 (non-npc) systems got stations now? I'm thinking close to half... another example of CCP not keeping up with ingame developments and they'll need to find some weirdass solution lateron.

Helen
May 4 2011, 12:00:55 PM
I doubt its near half of non npc 0.0 systems have player built stations now but it sure feels like it.

Traxio Nacho
May 4 2011, 02:39:13 PM
Anybody got statistics on howmany 0.0 (non-npc) systems got stations now? I'm thinking close to half... another example of CCP not keeping up with ingame developments and they'll need to find some weirdass solution lateron.

Don't take the below as gospel but I think it should be pretty close to correct, TL:DR 606 stations in non-npc 0.0, 544 were built by players, 62 npc built conq, 18 npc owned. 2655 systems 22% of non-npc 0.0 systems have a station :D

In the last 2 months according to Dotlan 30 new stations were built (well one was today)



Station Total Player Built NPC Conq NPC Systems
Branch 31 29 2 94
Cache 6 4 2 44
Catch 32 29 3 108
Cloud Ring 11 8 3 40
Cobalt Edge 10 10 69
Deklein 29 27 2 68
Delve 34 31 3 12 97
Esoteria 23 20 3 85
Etherium Reach 21 21 100
Fade 8 5 3 27
Feythabolis 27 24 3 89
Fountain 24 24 5 115
Geminate 17 17 1 84
Immensea 11 8 3 84
Impass 8 5 3 51
Insmother 24 21 3 110
The K Expanse 4 4 69
Malpais 10 10 102
Oasa 11 11 85
Omist 8 5 3 43
Outer Passage 14 14 88
Paragon Soul 7 4 3 39
Period Basis 13 11 2 40
Perrigen Falls 23 23 104
Providence 52 52 84
Pure Blind 14 14 85
Querious 20 17 3 95
Scalding Pass 11 8 3 81
The Spire 6 6 72
Tenal 15 12 3 68
Tenerifis 10 7 3 81
Tribute 22 19 3 54
Vale of the Silent 42 39 3 118
Wicked Creek 8 5 3 82

Totals 606 544 63 18 2655


All info was taken from Dotlan

Bollocks forum moved it all out of line :facepalm:

Smuggo
May 4 2011, 02:48:23 PM
So assuming the current rate of station building is maintained, half of non-NPC systems will have a station in a little over 4 years, and every system will have one within 12 years.

Helen
May 4 2011, 03:27:16 PM
So assuming the current rate of station building is maintained, half of non-NPC systems will have a station in a little over 4 years, and every system will have one within 12 years.

Going a bit off topic here but given that isk gets easier to make year by year and the cost of stations stays the same or drops lower then it will be even easier to cover 0.0 in stations.

Jester
May 4 2011, 04:26:08 PM
Think NC have mostly gone riding bikes with Goons in Cobalt Edge to annoy IRC rather than defend NC held space.
The rank-and-file NC member:
1) is tired of fighting PL (true story); and,
2) no longer sees any benefit to defending space that is worthless to them as individuals.

Bashiri
May 4 2011, 04:39:51 PM
On Venal news Bricks will be living out of IMK and will hit venal up for moons and ratting space. Let the new fun time begin.

Helen
May 4 2011, 04:48:18 PM
Think NC have mostly gone riding bikes with Goons in Cobalt Edge to annoy IRC rather than defend NC held space.
The rank-and-file NC member:
1) is tired of fighting PL (true story); and,
2) no longer sees any benefit to defending space that is worthless to them as individuals.

Go to Vale face PL.
Go to Cobalt Edge face PL.

Helen
May 4 2011, 04:49:11 PM
On Venal news Bricks will be living out of IMK and will hit venal up for moons and ratting space. Let the new fun time begin.

Well I guess from their point of view its like going from the fire to the frying pan. :obama:

Dodgy Past
May 4 2011, 05:11:59 PM
The Tengu do seem to be more demoralising than the Hellcats, I'm guessing that this is because while being able to fly a Hellcat is feasible flying an uninsurable 600m isk seems just too much for pilots who don't have that level of trust in their FCs.

Have to admit that the first time I knew I was jumping into what I knew was going to be crushing lag it did get the heart rate up a bit.

depili
May 4 2011, 05:35:35 PM
Today Merciless + ncdot took down a MM tech tower in XW-. Wepra and Co2 had reinforced the tower twice, but didn't have enough to counter the NC defence blobs.

When the merciless+ncdot abaddon fleet cynoed in NC abaddon fleet quickly ran to their other tech tower and then proceeded to log off after ncdot fleet started bumping them out of the forcefield.

Shame to see neutrals to claim the tower we had put much effort into but then again better anyone else than the NC have that moon.

Herschel Yamamoto
May 4 2011, 06:23:46 PM
So assuming the current rate of station building is maintained, half of non-NPC systems will have a station in a little over 4 years, and every system will have one within 12 years.

Going a bit off topic here but given that isk gets easier to make year by year and the cost of stations stays the same or drops lower then it will be even easier to cover 0.0 in stations.

Yeah, but as stations get more common their value drops. The first refinery in a region is a huge deal, the twelfth never even comes close to paying for itself.

Helen
May 4 2011, 06:24:20 PM
So assuming the current rate of station building is maintained, half of non-NPC systems will have a station in a little over 4 years, and every system will have one within 12 years.

Going a bit off topic here but given that isk gets easier to make year by year and the cost of stations stays the same or drops lower then it will be even easier to cover 0.0 in stations.

Yeah, but as stations get more common their value drops. The first refinery in a region is a huge deal, the twelfth never even comes close to paying for itself.

Doesn't seem to stop people dropping useless stations anyway. :obama:

Jester
May 4 2011, 07:26:44 PM
Doesn't seem to stop people dropping useless stations anyway.
The theory is that these "useless" stations slow down an invader.

Helen
May 4 2011, 09:14:57 PM
Slow down sure but with huge super fleets its not really a great tactic when that isk could of been spent on getting cheap supers to your membership which would of prevented the loss of stations before hand. :obama:

Lorkin Desal
May 4 2011, 10:53:02 PM
Whats the cost of a station theese days anyhow?

Sponk
May 5 2011, 02:30:35 AM
Isn't a station down to ~5 billion now?

Grarr Dexx
May 5 2011, 03:19:52 AM
Come on guys, war & politics, not game mechanics and economics. :monocledowns:

Daco
May 5 2011, 04:44:42 AM
Well Invictus Australis (The corp I am residing in) has left Brick, and left Gem.

There are reason why we have left but it isn't important, we had a great time in brick and Gem was fantastic, so I am saying goodbye to this glorious thread and I have enjoyed writing my battlereports up.

My last standing report is as of a week or so ago Brick was finally kicked out of Gem, unfortunately we didn't get any last final epic battle, just a ton of supers and support bashing our brains in :P

So it is off to the Venal thread, good bye my fellow Gem thread followers o7

Brother G
May 5 2011, 09:45:22 AM
Sad to see you guys go Daco....best of luck in Merciless.

Hopefully see you guys around the neigbourhood soon! :D

Herschel Yamamoto
May 5 2011, 05:22:26 PM
Isn't a station down to ~5 billion now?

More like 14.

Also, this thread totally needs to be retitled to Vale, possibly also Tribute. My alliance lost our remaining sov last night, so Geminate has officially ceased to matter. :emo:

Elise Randolph
May 6 2011, 04:53:49 AM
All station systems and Tech moons in Geminate have been captured for a bit now, the fighting has moved directly to Vale. Although 40 stations are in Vale (wololol) with ZLZ falling, Y5J "dropping sov", and LS-JEP down basically the only fight in Vale is for TVN. I came up with the title before NC shoved 400 support and dangled 100 caps for TVN. On a Thursday afternoon, no less.

War Update: April 24 - May 5 - NC Circles Wagons, Gives Up on Vale

After losing 13 Supercaps, 115 conventional Caps, and shy of 2000 ships in a week, the NC decided that Vale was no longer worth defending. Although DRF Legion has made no indication on a Tribute assault, NC Inner Circle decided to play it safe and declared that neither Supers nor traditional Capitals would be fielded in Vale; the NC would need to preserve every asset - both tangible and intangible - for a drawn-out war for Tribute core. Hoping to sound the NC alarm, RAGE Alliance "accidentally" lost sovereignty in Y5J, a crucial logistical system bordering Tribute. The tactic did not work, and RAGE was reprimanded behind closed doors; for this stunt they would not be included in future Vale and Geminate plans. While RAGE Alliance was allowed to relocate to Tenal and Tribute, RAGE leaders were spotted moving all assets to low-sec instead. This, coupled with over 900 members leaving this week alone, has giving credence to the notion that RAGE Alliance - at least in this incarnation - will lose standing with the NC sooner rather than later.

For all their perceived faults, the NC Inner Circle is a shrewd beast. Although nothing major would be risked to keep Vale from falling, the NC would still field substantial sub-capital gangs to fight DRF Legion, even going as far as relocating Mostly Harmless to add more fresh bodies to the front lines. While a conventional win would be preferred, NC High Command argued that a loss would make the DRF Legion War Machine complacent, ready for a fierce NC counter.

Constantly being on their back foot, most fights have occurred while NC forces were in transit. The first major fight of the week occurred on the 27th in and around 2CG-5V. The NC formed just shy of five-hundred in an attempt to save unimportant assets in Vale. Holding Supercapitals in reserve, DRF Legion split up on either side of the NC fleet with a combined force of 400, forcing a fight to occur. The manuver was not without cost, with DRF forces taking substantial initial losses. As lag cleared, however, the NC gang had inadvertently fully-committed and quickly found themselves in an uncomfortable position. Frantically trying to clear Hictor bubbles instead clearing DPS or Logistics, the NC numerical advantage was a distant memory. This tactical misstep saw the NC fleet trade over three-hundred losses for just over sixty kills.

Many FCs took exception to this loss-centric tactic. Frustrated, they collectively turned a blind-eye to Vale and instead opted to hit IRC assets in Cobalt Edge. Later on the 27th, NC forces managed to tackle some overzealous IRC Supercapitals. Perturbed that they were now being denied fights, Pandemic Legion decided to make it a point to follow these outings to Cobalt Edge to get in on the action. The PL Thundercat fleet engaged the NC Alpha Fleet and AB Vaga gang, tearing into them with ease. The distraction was a welcome one for the IRC Supercaps, who were now safe. NC tempers ran hot as they were once again denied a victory. Still, the NC would continue roams into Cobalt Edge in order to sate morale. Much to their dismay, The Legion made a habit of following and intercepting these outings: a constant reminder that there would be no relief from the nightmare of Vale.

Vale continued to be picked apart piece by piece, and fights continued throughout the week with no significant losses for either side. The next large fight would take place over two Majesta CSAAs with comfirmed Titans in build. Wrought with financial hardships, Majesta was rather desperate to save these builds. Although the jammer was intact and Majesta Carriers were in system, the NC responded with a halfhearted attempted; refusing to pledge anything more than sub-capitals to the fight once more, a measly three-hundred NC formed in defense. The NC, who had loaded system before DRF Legion forces could get in, saw Raiden and Pandemic Legion on one side of C-F and White Noise and Red Alliance on the other. Although the onous was on DRF Legion forces to take down the jammer, the NC was once again beset by terrible tactical calls; instead of milking their cyno-jammer advantage, they simply crashed to one gate and allowed the split-forced DRF Legion to come into system relatively untested. Not surprisingly, the NC fleet was quickly overwhelmed. After about 20 minutes, the support fight was over with over two-hundred NC down. Just over 30 DRF Legion wrecks were spattered across the battlefield. To add insult to injury, a POS password mishap saw a further 50 NC ships destroyed. This was the last straw for Majesta Empire, who now realized in earnest that their allies were dead-set on letting Vale fall.

As the week progressed, NC morale sunk lower and lower. In Vale, defeats were becoming increasingly lop-sided with heavy losses becoming the norm. Incursions to Cobalt Edge more often than not resulted in either a boring grind or costly fight. RAGE and Majesta, who had hoped the downturn in membership would be more of a catharsis, were now worried of a complete collapse. May 5th, NC High Command decided to test their strategy of lulling DRF Legion into a false sense of security and chose TVN as the venue for a counter. NC formed early, en masse, with a competent FC, and a respectable Capital fleet. DRF Legion, caught off guard by a sudden breath of aptitude, were surprisingly quick to counter and managed to sneak into TVN before the NC could secure the system and bring in their Capital fleet. DRF Legion frantically went for the jammer - the moment the NC was waiting for. Unfortunately the initial plan didn't pan out, as the harried behemoth struggled to get all their fleets on the same page. Although a great opportunity passed, the NC did manage to cut-off an auxiliary DRF support fleet; the sub-capital numbers were now firmly in favor of the NC. The two forces pranced around coquettishly, both missing opportunities. With the flirtation over, the NC gang was in WBR5 on the gate to TVN while the DRF Legion gang was on the WBR5 in TVN - both daring the other to make the first move. PL High Command decided the best move would be to jump into WBR5 and bring with them some Titans to even the playing field. This would play right into what the NC had desired: if DRF would leave TVN the NC would be able to skip the fight and secure the system. As PL and Raiden forces jumped out of TVN into the NC gang, the exuberant NC feigned a fight and let DRF Legion over-commit, leaving TVN clear. As Titan Legion cyno'd out of TVN it seemed as things were finally going NC's way, they deaggro'd and jumped through into the pivotal system. When they loaded, reality hit them like a brick wall; nothing had changed. There would be no majestic counter, only the all-to-familiar bitter taste of defeat. Instead of sparsely-defended system devoid of capitals they faced 70 Supercapitals, 33 Titans, and 180 Hellcats. With a Thundercat & Titan fleet guarding the exit gate, there was nothing to be done but sit there and pray for someone else to catch the wrath of the DRF fleet. Another day, another fleet turned to salvage. Still, NC seem very serious about TVN - it is sure to be the site of much fighting in the coming weeks.


http://i.imgur.com/Jq1Ig.png

LordsServant
May 6 2011, 06:30:48 AM
V. Nice post Elise. Nice to see other friendly viewpoints on this. ;)

Gives me something to read while I :obama: and :popcorn: and wait for my guns to cycle in the lag :P

-Lords

Lee Chanka
May 6 2011, 12:06:03 PM
i don't usually type on forums but,itc dt and im bored.. :D

IN 03:20 eve time MM tower go out from reinforce in X-W6TC...because of mine lazy pigs sleeping, is +2 in Serbia and most of Europe, we go out with 5 dreads to hit tower...We jump in XW was clear from neutrals and we enter siege, 30 seconds before finishing siege, 70 hostiles reported in PF-Q 1 jump, in time when they jump in tower died and we jump out dreads 2 seconds before they landed..Tanks to God i put large Bubles on pf g8 last night witch slow them so we jumped out... :D

so Smack and hate in local started..:D On start we hop in bombers trying to bomb some of them but we kill only like 4 full cans of fuel stront and couple frigs..

[ 2011.05.06 04:34:05 ] Darkness Descend > lol u wasted a bomb lol
?[ 2011.05.06 04:35:09 ] Tauron Torres > and you suck once again
?[ 2011.05.06 04:35:16 ] Darkness Descend > again u wasted a bomb
?[ 2011.05.06 04:37:06 ] Tauron Torres > NC doesnt recruit pickle puffers
2011.05.06 04:40:28 ] Jackcoke > rofl look the idiot bomber LOL
?[ 2011.05.06 04:42:01 ] Pater Sek > you know they pros cause they cry in local

sooo...they hold about 1 hour in local..and left ..on POS stay like 7 8 pilots putting hardeners and rest shit on...we switch for close range dps ships and gank one vaga (fited with jamer rofl) and start incap pos guns and warp disruption batteries, they runn inside ff from 3 of us..:D

2011.05.06 05:15:31 ] Deeztructor > ass clowns
?[ 2011.05.06 05:15:41 ] Kthor > lol
?[ 2011.05.06 05:17:17 ] Deeztructor > be prepared to lose those ships
?[ 2011.05.06 05:18:06 ] Pthor > what are you bringing more cloking vagas
?[ 2011.05.06 05:18:12 ] Kthor > lol
?[ 2011.05.06 05:18:55 ] Deeztructor > i just would love to see your face when you shit your pants
?[ 2011.05.06 05:19:21 ] Kthor > we are not 3 year old
?[ 2011.05.06 05:19:43 ] Kthor > you still shit your self ??
?[ 2011.05.06 05:19:46 ] Deeztructor > pants I didnt say diaper
?[ 2011.05.06 05:19:55 ] Lee ChanKa > you have some healt problem m8?
?[ 2011.05.06 05:20:06 ] Lee ChanKa > when you are doing that..that is not normal for grown m8..

after 20 min or so NC gang come back..50 60 again or so...We fight a little bit and hit SS..we lose somethingk we kill soemthing local smack continue..:D

[ 2011.05.06 06:44:10 ] ewqilibrium > 50 again wtf
?[ 2011.05.06 06:44:11 ] ewqilibrium > lol
?[ 2011.05.06 06:44:12 ] ewqilibrium > :DDDDDDDD
?[ 2011.05.06 06:46:24 ] Preying Reaper > i got a batphone and im not afraid to use it
?[ 2011.05.06 06:46:33 ] ewqilibrium > :DDDD
?[ 2011.05.06 06:46:40 ] ewqilibrium > u will use it mucho time then..:D

so after they lose 4 hours on our 3 man they decided to move out...but this time they left like 15 in local or so...mixed ships supported with archon...i jumped with nyx tried to kill he but he go inside ff on half armor ...support fleet also go inside FF tho 2 falcons tried to jam me all the time.. :lol: One more time we clear all pos modules and go out form local...About 10:30 in time when they started to anchor silos we cyno in dreads and reinforce tower.. :lol:

I want to thanks all 12 alliance who come(if i miss some aly sorry) to fight us, because their courage is impressive they don't fight PL or DRF, don't fight NC. Mercs.,but they always come to fight us with ods 10/1 and even when we fight them back so much hate and smack i didn't c in life..

kb link from last night in same time when they lose 2nd reinforce TVN they fight us insted PL Raiden and DRF: http://wildboars.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_r ... id=9608548 (http://wildboars.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9608548)

and KB link for morning pos bash, kb fuck a little bit sides but you will figure out wild boars against rest: http://wildboars.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_r ... id=9610815 (http://wildboars.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9610815)

sorry for bad spelling, English not mine mature language.. ;)

regard
lee aka ewqi

Bashiri
May 6 2011, 03:01:42 PM
We've been getting blue balled by nc for 3 weeks now. Damn you guys stealing our fun.

Edite: Band will have to defend there 2 csaa and system now that it is rf :lol:

depili
May 6 2011, 04:34:16 PM
Yeah, it seems that the nc has given up on fighting DRF and the ncdot+merciless group and is mostly focusing in blobbing poor us :)

Dodgy Past
May 6 2011, 04:51:23 PM
http://www.cognitiveindustries.com/random/PandemicLegion.mp3

Surprisingly enjoyable song.

Lee Chanka
May 6 2011, 05:41:31 PM
Yeah, it seems that the nc has given up on fighting DRF and the ncdot+merciless group and is mostly focusing in blobbing poor us :)


in some previous post from you and some random ppl i saw wild boars + co2 do that , wild boars + co2 do that etc etc...and i don't want ppl to get wrong impression because there is not wild boars + co2...co2 in mine fleet, which i run at least 1 per days sometime 2 3 4 5 depend whats going on ,are you Depili m8 and 1 2 3 more from your corp(VERTA) that is not C02..last time i have CO2 in mine fleet before 60 days or so..tell if im wrong..and i don't count you as co2 like before 30 days(you are wepra :D )..

wild boars have co2 and volta. blue but they don't help me*on aly level*(when i say ''me'' that is because i run 99% of wild boars fleets) in 1 op last 60 days or so...

Volta. doing their thingy roaming ganking fighting around ..old eve fags which i mucho respect from old days...

Co2 split-ed on different ways basically each corp doing own thing even living in different systems(any normal person who check their kb will c that)...but we know some of them in rl and we are in good relationships with them from before so we are blue only because of that...

so depili m8 if i c one more time you say co2 + wild boars you will be byte next time..jk m8.. :D

maby someone will be insulted from what i say but i don't fucking care im same in rl also..truth sometime hurt.. :D

Rans
May 6 2011, 07:41:48 PM
http://www.cognitiveindustries.com/random/PandemicLegion.mp3

Surprisingly enjoyable song.
:'3 who did this?

Dodgy Past
May 6 2011, 08:09:19 PM
DavidKMagnus on Kugu, not sure who he is in game, though he's been invited to join Habit.

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35602

Garst Tyrell
May 7 2011, 07:17:36 AM
Not much activity post wise so I will give a regional update before bed.

As mentioned before BAND is living out of n5y and we are back on the offensive against them, griefing their poses and reinforcing techs. They complain about ncdot joining our fleets then call in deklein coalition/rest of nc to protect their moons, rinse repeat. The whole nc alliance crying about lack of 1v1s never ceases to entertain me.

Last friday we accidentally their sov in C-L, one of their branch systems, rfing two defenseless but active CSAAs (one of which had the cynojammer brilliantly on the same pos) while we sbu'd the system. Somehow the SBU's went online so we dropped supers with ncdot on the station/ihub. The CSAAs and 2 techs came out tonight which lead to our first real fight in a week of pos grinding vs the NC. Naturally there was the usual round of deklein coalition mails forwarded from the mittani championing the importance of branch and decrying the evil forces of elite pvp.

OVRHT and NCDOT formed up hellcats then merged together with ncdot taking primary fc tonight and set up to get a fight. Some initial confusion on just how many nc alliances were waiting to pounce on us favored the defenders, allowing them to rep the first csaa and tech moon in peace. Its my belief that the bad intel lead to lost chances vs the CSAA/pos but theres always more poses :p As the nc tried to outmaneuver us to run home, we pounced and started the fight, brdiging about 120 hellcats onto 150-200 arty baddons/shield BCs.

The initial fight put the nc on the back foot but a goon reinforcement maelstrom fleet showed up to replenish their losses and briefly drove us off the field, suffering heavier losses than us in the process. Magically enough of our dictors/hictors survived throughout the night to continue forcing fights and running down fleeing enemies. We chase the enemy into the next system and jump into them twice, the second time with the maelstroms at range forcing us to deaggroe and jump out. Fortunately Goons are feeling cocky and they jump their maelstroms into us, sealing the fight in our favor decisively with all NC fleets in a rout. Black Legion bridges in a 40+ man hac gang and targets the nc forces before leaving. A nano triage carrier heroically drops in to support us and manages to keep up with us as we chase them from planet to planet ;) In Zo- we finish off more nc stuck outside a TNT failpos that they dont have the password to. Oops

We run them down and loot the field but miss all chances at ganking those baby titans and posses. GF NC

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9618052 Round 1, XW-

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9618133 round 2, PF- Goons Arive

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9618478 Round 3 (briefly before jumping to z0-) and round 5, Black Legion arrives

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9618510 Round 4 where we briefly jumped into maelstroms at range and then bailed for round 5 again in vg-

What the kbs dont show is the decisive nature of the victory, although we suffered scattered losses, all 3 enemy fleets were effectively crushed and forced to retreat and regroup for the last csaa timer which we blueballed

drealar
May 7 2011, 01:18:51 PM
I think the important thing to take away from this is 5UPER onlined some SBU's. That's freakin amazing.
Also, fucken US TZ. :cut: Looks awesome though.

depili
May 7 2011, 06:03:10 PM
Seems like the NC has been fed up with being raped by tengus and thus has altered it's fleets to better counter them... A NC tengu+scimitar fleet was spotted today.

Would be epic to see it raped by PL.

Don Pellegrino
May 7 2011, 07:15:26 PM
Seems like the NC has been fed up with being raped by tengus and thus has altered it's fleets to better counter them... A NC tengu+scimitar fleet was spotted today.

Would be epic to see it raped by PL.
I absolutly love how the NC is always one step behind PL.

AB HACs -> Missile spam -> Abaddons -> Tengus

Always one step behind, getting torn apart by the guys with the correct counter. I can't wait to see NC Tengu fleets destroyed by the next FOTM over and over.

Marlona Sky
May 8 2011, 02:28:09 AM
When was the last time someone killed a station egg?

Dogbeast
May 8 2011, 03:22:44 AM
When was the last time someone killed a station egg?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7079218 is the last one I can actively point towards. I do remember there was another one in highsec that was suicide ganked by an NC affiliated alliance and it was rumored that the outpost was meant to be planted somewhere in Vale/Gem. But of course, that pure speculation.

I spent the last 5-10min searching for it, but for the life of me cant remember who did the ganking and who got ganked. Maybe someone else can remember it.

Marlona Sky
May 8 2011, 03:57:21 AM
When was the last time someone killed a station egg?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7079218 is the last one I can actively point towards. I do remember there was another one in highsec that was suicide ganked by an NC affiliated alliance and it was rumored that the outpost was meant to be planted somewhere in Vale/Gem. But of course, that pure speculation.

I spent the last 5-10min searching for it, but for the life of me cant remember who did the ganking and who got ganked. Maybe someone else can remember it.

Cool info. What I meant specifically is; When, if at all, has a station egg been killed as it was onlining/waiting for DT.

lt
May 8 2011, 08:21:02 AM
[quote="Marlona Sky":2ny9o2om]When was the last time someone killed a station egg?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7079218 is the last one I can actively point towards. I do remember there was another one in highsec that was suicide ganked by an NC affiliated alliance and it was rumored that the outpost was meant to be planted somewhere in Vale/Gem. But of course, that pure speculation.

I spent the last 5-10min searching for it, but for the life of me cant remember who did the ganking and who got ganked. Maybe someone else can remember it.

Cool info. What I meant specifically is; When, if at all, has a station egg been killed as it was onlining/waiting for DT.[/quote:2ny9o2om]


BoB killed an FIX egg in Querious, if I recall correctly. :monocledowns:

Shin_getter
May 8 2011, 09:00:51 AM
So what would happened to Eve if Russians win?

Bots hiring supers as the future model of null?

indeterminacy
May 8 2011, 11:21:05 AM
So what would happened to Eve if Russians win?

Bots hiring supers as the future model of null?

Just take a leisurely stroll thru RUS space now....completely dead, not a bit of PVP, bots instawarp to a POS as soon as you enter. In Russia, this is called home defense.

On the other hand, some of them do present opportunity (until dudes get bored of it). Look at this RUSbot killing monster: http://eve-wtf.com/killboard/?a=pilot_d ... t_id=53589 (http://eve-wtf.com/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=53589)

66 T3s killed, even a handful of carriers (with a recon and inty alt). So, you know, props to him but, even that's gonna get boring after a while.

-----------------------------

Mini BR

After grabbing a few kills in TVN early yesterday (and doing nothing of any real import) our BC gang reformed into a LR/Nano shield BC gang. We ran around a bit (to kill time is my guess) then took advantage of some unwitting RAIDEN. folks around LZ- in Vale.

As their viator warped to gate to scoop a SBU we jumped in a killed him and a random, lone damnation (lol) sitting on gate. They warped in an abaddon fleet with quite a few HICs, we warped off: http://eve-wtf.com/killboard/?a=kill_re ... l_id=66094 (http://eve-wtf.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=66094)

Quite surprised this worked, we sat on the other side of the gate for a good 5+ minutes with them completely unaware of us.

Think we lost 3-4 BCs while making our way out of the pipe (lemmings etc). And missed sniping 2 phobos cuz some asshat warped to our cloaky randomly.

Dodgy Past
May 8 2011, 01:38:09 PM
That sort of misses the whole point of what happened in TVN yesterday:

Pretty much all the NC alliances were sent Eve mails stating it was an entire NC CTA the aim being to fill the system from downtime until the timer in the evening.

PL and DRF etc. were aware of this and we got a fair force including alt carriers and supers that were filled with spare ships into TVN the night before. On top of this PL dropped small towers on every moon meaning that NC would have to share POS during their form up, meaning passwords being needed for POS.

Over the course of the next day forces were then used to keep cyno jammers offline, though NC did manage to destroy one of their incapped jammers with bombers to anchor another one.

There was a brief skirmish when Khula tried to cyno in some supers, cyno got killed after 2 supers plus some dreads / carriers got in and NC(dot) joined the fray by Titan bridging, and then keeping the supers bubbled. An NC sub cap fleet warped in to support. Support fought it out until NC warped off while DRF etc. supers went after the caps. The Wyvern went down pretty fast, but the Aeon that had come in closer was able to get to shields just as bumpers got to it. At this point ME changed their POS password and the Aeon went flying out to die.

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_battle.php?start_time=2011-05-07%2014:04:00&end_time=2011-05-07%2015:06:00&system=TVN-FM

Most of the rest of the day was spent trying to bump stuff out of POS to kill it, until one of the NC subcap fleets made a dash for WBR, we knew immediately and followed them, catching some in a bubble as they jumped in and killing a few more:
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_battle.php?start_time=2011-05-07%2015:28:00&end_time=2011-05-07%2015:43:00&system=WBR5-R

Given the fact that DRF + friends were so well dug in, with close to 1000 blues, NC realising that their enemies had succeeded in doing what they had planned to do decided to allow the I-HUB to die unopposed.

Just to add insult to injury PL bridged their 100 man tengu fleet on the stragglers of the NC fleet as it headed home to H-W:
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_battle.php?start_time=2011-05-07%2018:18:00&end_time=2011-05-07%2018:21:00&system=H-W9TY

I'm sure I'm missing some stuff, but that what I saw over the course of a long day of spaceships.

depili
May 8 2011, 07:15:27 PM
Morsus Mihi tengu-fleet down in G9D to PL + ncdot.

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboa ... tem=G9D-XW (https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_battle.php?start_time=2011-05-08%2018:42:00&end_time=2011-05-08%2018:53:00&system=G9D-XW)

Dodgy Past
May 8 2011, 08:13:44 PM
PL and NC(dot) were trying to catch a combined Goons alpha fleet and MM Tengu fleet that were attacking IRC in

They were scouted so Goons POS'd up, and MM started heading home, looks like there were some NC camping a drag bubble in G( and the MM Tengu fleet got caught by that bubble as PL's tengus jumped in. We got a warp in on them bubbled, PL took out Huginns and Rapiers, killed a couple of Tengus before reps started holding, started on the Scimis at which point NC(dot) bridged in when NC could no longer hold the reps.

PL jumped into VY and guarded IRC while they retook the station.

depili
May 8 2011, 08:47:33 PM
PL and NC(dot) were trying to catch a combined Goons alpha fleet and MM Tengu fleet that were attacking IRC in

They were scouted so Goons POS'd up, and MM started heading home, looks like there were some NC camping a drag bubble in G( and the MM Tengu fleet got caught by that bubble as PL's tengus jumped in. We got a warp in on them bubbled, PL took out Huginns and Rapiers, killed a couple of Tengus before reps started holding, started on the Scimis at which point NC(dot) bridged in when NC could no longer hold the reps.

PL jumped into VY and guarded IRC while they retook the station.


The drag bubble was courtesy of us.

Dodgy Past
May 8 2011, 08:58:49 PM
The drag bubble was courtesy of us.
Thank you very much then :D

Hunlight
May 8 2011, 11:53:03 PM
Nice to see anyone can copy set ups but be nowhere near as good with them :) well played nc

Krugerrand
May 9 2011, 09:00:59 AM
[quote="Marlona Sky":37foqf7j]When was the last time someone killed a station egg?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7079218 is the last one I can actively point towards. I do remember there was another one in highsec that was suicide ganked by an NC affiliated alliance and it was rumored that the outpost was meant to be planted somewhere in Vale/Gem. But of course, that pure speculation.

I spent the last 5-10min searching for it, but for the life of me cant remember who did the ganking and who got ganked. Maybe someone else can remember it.

Cool info. What I meant specifically is; When, if at all, has a station egg been killed as it was onlining/waiting for DT.


BoB killed an FIX egg in Querious, if I recall correctly. :monocledowns:[/quote:37foqf7j]

We+MC killed an IAC egg ~4y ago? I'm sure there was one since then.

indeterminacy
May 9 2011, 01:34:17 PM
Nice to see anyone can copy set ups but be nowhere near as good with them :) well played nc

Ok then, guys (RUS pets: NC., Merciless., PL) how does it feel to be propping up IRC who are literally the shittiest, most clueless PVPers in 0.0? Seriously, IRC space is where the Pure Blind shortbus crew drops SBUs for gudfitez.

Is this what elite peeveepeers do now? Protect the incompetent?
:obama:

forteh
May 9 2011, 01:56:27 PM
how is one that gets paid 600b and doesnt pay rent a pet ?

and the thing with IRC is that since you dont want to fight us in vale, we come and hunt you in CE, nothing more to it

edit: you do sound pretty mad about us ruining your morale lifting ops in CE

Dodgy Past
May 9 2011, 01:59:52 PM
Nice to see anyone can copy set ups but be nowhere near as good with them :) well played nc

Ok then, guys (RUS pets: NC., Merciless., PL) how does it feel to be propping up IRC who are literally the shittiest, most clueless PVPers in 0.0? Seriously, IRC space is where the Pure Blind shortbus crew drops SBUs for gudfitez.

Is this what elite peeveepeers do now? Protect the incompetent?
:obama:
First of all I'd suggest you stop taking this so personally, and remember it's a game.

Most of the guys I'm flying with are doing this because they enjoy space ship fights, watching the results of their theory crafting unfold and watching their plans unfold and succeed / fail. The first time we jumped our Tengu into an alpha fleet we were pretty nervous as to how it would work out, and it was quite a rush to be primaried.

While doing this having a joke and a laugh on comms and maybe drink a beer or two.

Had 650 kills last months and coming up to 200 this month.

As an aside PL aren't being paid to protect IRC, we'd formed up for something else, but no NC fleet formed for that, but instead there were people to kill in VY plus a chance to pit our tengu against NCs.

The being paid bit is nice, we go through a vast amount of fuel and corp ships such as logis / HICs / DICs, so the isk goes to fund this and allow us to spend as more of the time we're logged on fighting.

Helen
May 9 2011, 02:10:27 PM
H-W has been sbu'd and station is now being shot by RUS forces.

Exortius Amarrus
May 9 2011, 02:32:54 PM
Nice to see anyone can copy set ups but be nowhere near as good with them :) well played nc

Ok then, guys (RUS pets: NC., Merciless., PL) how does it feel to be propping up IRC who are literally the shittiest, most clueless PVPers in 0.0? Seriously, IRC space is where the Pure Blind shortbus crew drops SBUs for gudfitez.

Is this what elite peeveepeers do now? Protect the incompetent?
:obama:

So you think Merciless. is pets to the Russian's? I would think not, I have recieved no kick backs and IMO I really don't like them. Merciless. has been in and operating in the Venal region now for almost a full year.
We are not blue them or PL, if I remember right during PL's winter campaign in Venal Merciless. was pew pewing PL and their stagglers from the CTA's around the region.
The Russian's and thier pets Raiden. are and have been during this war in Geminate / Vale targets that we will pew pew with just the same as the NC up here.
So take it as you want if you think we are killmail whoring or just grabbing some GF's our of it. We are here doing our own thing and not on the agenda of the DRF and Co.

Dwergi
May 9 2011, 02:40:35 PM
Cross-posting something I already wrote:

Merciless shot at a Gypsy Band tech moon in 430- last night and got bombed coming out of warp, and took minor losses. Tower was killed with dreads, Gypsy lit a bait cyno on a Falcon and we ended up warping way too many BS to it and welped like 10 to 5 waves of bombers.

Put up a new tower and then ran up the pipe to SS-GED where NCdot was engaging a couple of NC fleets. We got there just as the NC Drake and Abaddon fleets were running after welping pretty hard in BV- on the 0-B gate (http://www.northern-coalition.co.uk/...d&kll_id=52524). We got a couple of kills in AJCJ on the 6NJ gate, before NC made a full tactical retreat.

NCdot and Merciless bridged over to S-1 where ~5 carriers were repping a tech tower that we'd had to put off killing to go help out our bros. A Niddy and Thanny got bumped out by the bridge and were quickly murdered. A Gypsy band bombing run hit at the same time and took a few BS out, but most got into 50% armour. Tower was taken down by dreads who sieged only when we got confirmation that an NC gang roaming nearby was going in a different direction. Tower was anchored and Merciless babysat it for 30 minutes before bridging home. BR for S-1: http://merciless-alliance.com/killbo...d&kll_id=15243

Props to Gypsies for doing some pretty nasty bombing runs, though we came expecting Abaddons.

Dwergi
May 9 2011, 02:42:22 PM
Ok then, guys (RUS pets: NC., Merciless., PL) how does it feel to be propping up IRC who are literally the shittiest, most clueless PVPers in 0.0? Seriously, IRC space is where the Pure Blind shortbus crew drops SBUs for gudfitez.

Is this what elite peeveepeers do now? Protect the incompetent?
:obama:

Controlled Chaos accusing fail alliances of being propped up by superior alliances. :facepalm:

depili
May 9 2011, 02:45:05 PM
The drag bubble was courtesy of us.
Thank you very much then :D

NP mate :)

We were camping the NJ4 gate in G9D, and when our scouts noticed the NC tengu fleet and PL fleet on an collision course our Serbian overlords quickly started shouting about putting a drag bubble up to trap the NC fleet. Clad to see it worked brilliantly =)

makira
May 9 2011, 04:26:14 PM
Nice to see anyone can copy set ups but be nowhere near as good with them :) well played nc


More like 30 NC Tengus vs 60 PL Tengus + 40 Abaddons.

Helen
May 9 2011, 05:04:04 PM
D-7 now in reinforced.
H-W already in reinforced.
:popcorn:

depili
May 9 2011, 05:49:39 PM
Will be interesting to see what happens in the next week =)

Hey You
May 9 2011, 05:51:53 PM
Will be interesting indeed.

makira
May 9 2011, 05:59:20 PM
Horns of goondor were heard.

who knows what will happen :ohnoes:

Armyofme
May 9 2011, 06:23:09 PM
Horns of goondor were heard.

who knows what will happen :ohnoes:
call me psychic, but i expect blobs to happen :psyduck:

Marlona Sky
May 9 2011, 06:25:58 PM
Will Time Dilation be implemented before next week?

cheeba
May 9 2011, 06:27:39 PM
Shall be a bloody week... cant wait! :D

http://the-alamo-san-antonio.com/diorama/tobeys-battle-of-the-alamo-big.jpg

redchief
May 9 2011, 06:40:34 PM
And the barbarians are officially at the gates now.

(and since goonfleet.com has been under a DDoS attack for the past several days, goons have no clue wtf is going on).

forteh
May 9 2011, 06:45:23 PM
tribute is literally helms deep

Traxio Nacho
May 9 2011, 07:23:24 PM
And the barbarians are officially at the gates now.

(and since goonfleet.com has been under a DDoS attack for the past several days, goons have no clue wtf is going on).

Goons don't have other ways of communicating? Or is it a convenient way of keeping out of the way and not helping the NC :P

depili
May 9 2011, 08:33:09 PM
Little birdie told me that the russians also hit MSHD and M-O

ilmonstre
May 9 2011, 08:33:33 PM
Looks like the last big Hub in Vale has falling namely TVN

so now its just going throe the motions for the other Vale stations, and the first cycles for the main systems in Tribute got started today.

lets see if the NC is willing to use SC for tribute

Tafkat
May 10 2011, 12:41:33 AM
The incursion into Tribute has provoked Razor's ministry of propaganda into action once more and is thus an unqualified success: http://propaganda.eve-razor.com/propaganda22_small.jpg

Is there a timeline of the events in this war anywhere? As I understand it, the NC invaded the Drone Regions over the winter, presumably because attacking russians in the winter is a strategy that comes with a 100% guarantee of success, and made some decent headway but were ultiamtely pushed back. After that, there were some supercap dust-ups in lowsec between the Russians and the NC that finished on more-or-less even terms overall, with lots of titans and moms dying on both sides, then the Russians hired PL and invaded Geminate and Vale of the Silent. With PL in the fray and with their own downed super pilots reshipped, the DRF had total supercap superiority and the NC has effectively fallen back and let them take two regions essentially unopposed, the best efforts of Brick Squad to make a nuisance of themselves notwithstanding.

Correct, or grossly inaccurate?

Sponk
May 10 2011, 01:14:52 AM
I believe the invasion of germinate started with dropped sov due to spais. PL came a bit later in the piece; before the invasion it was taking tech moons, and during the early stages it was slumming it in Delve, hoping they'd get a contract to do something interesting.

Herschel Yamamoto
May 10 2011, 01:19:29 AM
Geminate fell to NC in Aug-Sept, and after everyone got settled in, they started pushing into Kalevala and Etherium. NC picked up bits of Etherium and most of Kalevala through October, and I think pushed some into Cobalt Edge(though without taking sov), but DRF hired PL, who took gobs of NC's tech. NC decided to turn around and fight on the home front, at which point NC assets in the drones fell in about a week and a half. There was some attacks by the DRF side into Geminate, mostly spearheaded by IRC(which means that they all failed utterly), some counterattacks run by Brick(which did okay, but never got as far as taking sov), and basically a stalemate for two months or so.

Then Rebellion got disbanded in mid-February, and the DRF got a foothold in Gem. NC ground them down over time, and at one point DRF only held a single system, but then NC started losing numbers, losing fights, and when things had started to go badly, PL got hired and everyone on the NC side started running for the hills. And that's pretty much where we stand today.

Helen
May 10 2011, 02:37:35 AM
PL got hired when Geminate was already being fought over. Some of you think PL have been hired for a much longer time than what they have been.

LoKiPP
May 10 2011, 03:54:02 AM
We were hired when it was apparent RUS would be able to do nothing to NC in us tz, and NC couldn't do anything to RUS in their prime. It was pretty much a stalemate.

Elo
May 10 2011, 06:54:29 AM
Merciless reset us tonight cause we're not cool or something :obama:
Edit: No blues now :razor:

Sponk
May 10 2011, 07:11:54 AM
So, I hear goons are displeased about the DDOS that has been inundating MM, RZR and GSF forums/teamspeaks and have started to mobilize.

:goodfites:

cheeba
May 10 2011, 11:40:32 AM
PL has been the cheerleader of the DRF/Raiden/NC. etc.

Their capabilities with supers (and more importantly, catching them) has meant NC have been very wary with theirs.

Tribute is going to be a meatgrinder, but Im hoping for some pockets of fun fights mixed in with the inevitable blobs. Since there are alot of systems considered 'important' in tribute, im hoping the fights will be nicely spread out so we dont get 4000vs4000 crammed into just one system.

Also, holy moly, i just visited kugu for first time in months and its literally a kid's playground of immature insults and shitposting. It was never exactly good but hot damn...

Dodgy Past
May 10 2011, 12:03:35 PM
Also, holy moly, i just visited kugu for first time in months and its literally a kid's playground of immature insults and shitposting. It was never exactly good but hot damn...
Making a bunch of Goons admins was a pretty odd decision and the relevant thread is only going to get worse now they're involved.

I'm a little surprised that the decision to go for Tribute was taken so quickly, might be a mixture of DRF hoping that sleepy MM players won't wake up quick enough whereas an incursion into Tenal might have been enough to wake them up and give them time to prepare. Could of course be that DRF wanted to get the most bang for their PL buck.

Helen
May 10 2011, 12:04:55 PM
PL has been the cheerleader of the DRF/Raiden/NC. etc.

Their capabilities with supers (and more importantly, catching them) has meant NC have been very wary with theirs.

Tribute is going to be a meatgrinder, but Im hoping for some pockets of fun fights mixed in with the inevitable blobs. Since there are alot of systems considered 'important' in tribute, im hoping the fights will be nicely spread out so we dont get 4000vs4000 crammed into just one system.

Also, holy moly, i just visited kugu for first time in months and its literally a kid's playground of immature insults and shitposting. It was never exactly good but hot damn...

Haha yeah kugu can make you want to rip your eyeballs from their sockets.

Not sure what you mean by cheerleader either, want to explain that one?

cheeba
May 10 2011, 12:26:00 PM
Not sure what you mean by cheerleader either, want to explain that one?


I meant cheerleader in terms of their morale boosting. Whether it matters tactically or financially, popping an enemy supercap snoozing inside a JB pos or during transit makes for morale boosting killmails. PL had some rather successful fishing trips in vale over the past few weeks.


As for the push for tribute, it did come quickly but I think it was more a show of force than an invasion proper (tho of course, I can not read minds!). Whatever happens in trib, DRF can call the campaign a victory as they have wrested control of gem and vale as well as a basketfull of moons.

It will be interesting few weeks. If no supercap fleet welps happen that cause a sudden collapse of morale/support - will Max 3 dissolve into a slow attrition war? Things could really swing in favour of either entity depending on the outcome of a few key battles.

Raivi
May 10 2011, 12:27:10 PM
I think the timing of the H-W SBUs was dictated by the Russians wanting to take advantage of their victory day holiday to guard the SBUs onlining.

We're still mostly working on finishing off Vale, so I don't think anyone is expecting to rush into Tribute full force at this moment. That being said, O-W was originally SBU'd to get some fights with no expectation of taking it either, so who knows where these things will go.

Rudolf Miller
May 10 2011, 01:41:35 PM
Kugs melted down a while ago tbh. When the whole board circle jerks itself, the content just isn't good anymore.

Test of H-W being Helm's Deep.. how goes it?

Helen
May 10 2011, 01:48:32 PM
Not sure what you mean by cheerleader either, want to explain that one?


I meant cheerleader in terms of their morale boosting. Whether it matters tactically or financially, popping an enemy supercap snoozing inside a JB pos or during transit makes for morale boosting killmails. PL had some rather successful fishing trips in vale over the past few weeks.


As for the push for tribute, it did come quickly but I think it was more a show of force than an invasion proper (tho of course, I can not read minds!). Whatever happens in trib, DRF can call the campaign a victory as they have wrested control of gem and vale as well as a basketfull of moons.

It will be interesting few weeks. If no supercap fleet welps happen that cause a sudden collapse of morale/support - will Max 3 dissolve into a slow attrition war? Things could really swing in favour of either entity depending on the outcome of a few key battles.

Don't think we need PL to keep our morale going so found that a bit odd.

As for Tribute I think that came down to getting annoyed at being blueballed by MM going to Cobalt to get some cheap kills from IRC, I mean its understandable that the NC need some morale boosters but for bad or worse the call was made to hit up H-W for those "good fights".

Anyone watching this conflict can get their :popcorn: ready.

indeterminacy
May 10 2011, 01:55:59 PM
Don't think we need PL to keep our morale going so found that a bit odd.

That said, since LXQ2 NC has been fighting PL more or less non-stop. First in Venal, then Pure Blind. A brief rest from them, then the spy induced Sov welp followed by Russian Hordes + USTZ elites (PL and more) in Gem/Vale and now poking around the edges of Trib.

So clearly, PL are needed for [fill in the blank].

Dodgy Past
May 10 2011, 02:15:27 PM
From my perspective what PL have added is psychological damage as well as topping up super numbers.

The fishing fleets that make movement dangerous due to the sudden appearance of Machs etc. when a capital uses a cyno beacon / jump bridge, also the combination of having passwords with bumping machs to make the usage of POS dangerous and finally the Tengu fleet which is being used as much for it's terror effect as it's effectiveness.

If you go to the PL forum you notice that they're titled 'Pandemic Legion - An eve online terrorist organisation' and it's something PL take a huge amount of pride in. In a fight against an entity like the NC the biggest part of the battle is preventing the blob from amassing, most of the key fights are happening during NC's formups so that by the time the fight is meant to be happening NC's morale has already been broken.

zergl
May 10 2011, 03:59:28 PM
Also, holy moly, i just visited kugu for first time in months and its literally a kid's playground of immature insults and shitposting. It was never exactly good but hot damn...
Making a bunch of Goons admins was a pretty odd decision and the relevant thread is only going to get worse now they're involved.
Confirming that kugus null sec war/politics section is literally eye rape atm. 10 pages (~500 posts) in the new "Crossing the Rubicon" thread since it started yesterday, 95% of which is bullshit, troll accounts and hurf blurfing over topics that have been beaten to death a dozen times already. The very generously estimated 5% is actually good or at least reasonably funny posts and maybe a handful of actually relevant content posts but easy to miss in the ocean of shitposts. Lacks EXCESSIVE MODERATION*.


Ontopic: It sure promises to get interesting around now, :popcorn: indeed. Though most likely every timer in Tribute will from now on be USTZ and it will be interesting to see how many alarm clock ops the DRF and Friends will be able to pull off before they burn out and lose momentum. If they manage to take H-W in the first go it might give them enough of a morale boost (and demoralize the core NC) to keep the rapetrain fueled, but if it devolves into a stalemate I'm not sure which side will have the stamina to see a war of attrition through, due to the GSF timezone advantage for defense timers.


*PS: If anyone starts horrible ~ujelly~/~ujolly~ posts around here can we please have instant banhammering? I'm on it like mustard on cheese :razor:

forteh
May 10 2011, 04:38:07 PM
the first set of tribute timers are all in russian prime ;)

Pascal Almaric
May 10 2011, 04:47:12 PM
the first set of tribute timers are all in russian prime ;)
How does this stuff happen?

* Is not normally that bothered about sov goings on, but... :facepalm: *

zergl
May 10 2011, 04:47:47 PM
I literally have no idea about sov warfare mechanics apart from "Put up SBUs and kill all stations/TCUs/IHUBs whenever they are vulnerable", but can you change the reinforce timers of a system that is already under siege (in the time frame where the respective structure is vulnerable, obviously) or are you sitting on one fixed timer until the system is either lost or successfully defended?

Rudolf Miller
May 10 2011, 05:03:33 PM
the first set of tribute timers are all in russian prime ;)
How does this stuff happen?

* Is not normally that bothered about sov goings on, but... :facepalm: *

a combination of a very good choice of timing for first reinforce and a director level alt that knows the hourage variation on the stations/ihub

Helen
May 10 2011, 05:07:49 PM
a combination of a very good choice of timing for first reinforce and a director level alt that knows the hourage variation on the stations/ihub

Or we did it when it was Russian Prime TZ and got lucky. :obama:

depili
May 10 2011, 05:28:35 PM
I literally have no idea about sov warfare mechanics apart from "Put up SBUs and kill all stations/TCUs/IHUBs whenever they are vulnerable", but can you change the reinforce timers of a system that is already under siege (in the time frame where the respective structure is vulnerable, obviously) or are you sitting on one fixed timer until the system is either lost or successfully defended?

AFAIK you can change the timer settings of stations and ihubs when ever you please and it takes effect on the next time it enters RF. And there is no kiting ihubs or stations like towers.

BuRniZZ
May 10 2011, 05:52:03 PM
The only way to play. Forever alone. :tumbleweed:
Since I've decided exams > Eve this semester and haven't been able to keep up, what is the tech situation in Venal now? How many does NC still control?

Garst Tyrell
May 10 2011, 06:30:35 PM
RAWR still owns over half

bff right

Helen
May 10 2011, 06:48:00 PM
Starting next week jump drive capable ships (except black ops) can no longer use jump bridge arrays.

Marlona Sky
May 10 2011, 07:05:48 PM
Starting next week jump drive capable ships (except black ops) can no longer use jump bridge arrays.

The tears from players who rely on jump bridges for every aspect of null sec are already pouring in on the comments (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1509071) thread. Glorious. :D

rananka
May 10 2011, 09:46:26 PM
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3339970&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=217

Goon's and also MM's forums seem to be under ddos attack by the DRF :popcorn:

Helen
May 10 2011, 10:27:34 PM
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3339970&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=217

Goon's and also MM's forums seem to be under ddos attack by the DRF :popcorn:

Welcome to a few days ago, also it was definitely Russians. :obama:

StevieTopSiders
May 10 2011, 11:43:51 PM
Latest State of the Goonion had big news:

-Mittens is prepared to presss charges against those who have DDOS'ed Goon forums
-Intel (?) points to White Noise.
-White Noise. wants space to expand their RMT business
-Goons will deploy to defend Tribute, as it is in their strategic interest
-The Mittani asks Goons to be nice to Russians in local
-Death from DRF tells Mittens that Russians don't actually want Tribute
-At the same time, Death urges the Goons not to defend Tribute

The next question is... Does NC deploy Supers?

Rans
May 10 2011, 11:48:34 PM
They probably will since it's safe they'll hav 500+ people easily

Caius Sivaris
May 10 2011, 11:49:39 PM
Latest State of the Goonion had big news:

-Mittens is prepared to presss charges against those who have DDOS'ed Goon forums
-Intel (?) points to White Noise.
-White Noise. wants space to expand their RMT business
-Goons will deploy to defend Tribute, as it is in their strategic interest
-The Mittani asks Goons to be nice to Russians in local
-Death from DRF tells Mittens that Russians don't actually want Tribute
-At the same time, Death urges the Goons not to defend Tribute

The next question is... Does NC deploy Supers?

If The Mittani wants to involve the legal system, which to be honest is justified in the case of a DDoS but unlikely to lead to any conviction if those performing it are any good at it, maybe it's also really time some US living DRF member to press charge for defamation. The amount of crap the DRF are accused off doing without the beginning of a proof is incredible.

Nague
May 11 2011, 12:07:24 AM
defamation in internet trollposts is not quite as serious as ddos attacks.

I dont know how things are in the US legal system regarding equal treatment, but if companies are attacked by ddos, the FBI investigates.
I personally find it pathetic that people commit real crimes over onlinegaming, next thing you know these guys go korean-style and stab you in RL for exploding their ratting carrier.

Hell No
May 11 2011, 12:08:09 AM
If The Mittani wants to involve the legal system, which to be honest is justified in the case of a DDoS but unlikely to lead to any conviction if those performing it are any good at it, maybe it's also really time some US living DRF member to press charge for defamation. The amount of crap the DRF are accused off doing without the beginning of a proof is incredible.
A space honor defamation suit. Yeah, I can see this going well in court.

Also, is there any active defense of Vale happening at all? From what I gathered, RAGE is done. Is ME still putting up a fight or did they just roll over and die?

forteh
May 11 2011, 12:51:41 AM
I dont see why people are getting so worked up about tribute, it has been said, time and time again, that DRF does not want to attack tribute

considering how mad the NC are right now Id say we shoudl go for tribute, the forum porn they are providing is very rewarding

Bronya Boga
May 11 2011, 01:04:47 AM
Hell at this point it seems that the announcement raidenDOT made a few months back (link?) is coming true. And if they actually meant what they said, then they will push to tribute despite what people are saying.

Herschel Yamamoto
May 11 2011, 01:48:07 AM
I dont see why people are getting so worked up about tribute, it has been said, time and time again, that DRF does not want to attack tribute

Yeah, but if you read the forum leaks from PL and(I think) IRC, they say that that's basically their strategy. You don't say "We're going to destroy the NC this week!", because that just gets the blob to hammer the shit out of you. You start carving off alliances, breaking up the blob without it ever having a chance to form up properly and pulverize you. I have to confess, I thought it ridiculous when I saw it, but it seems to be coming true. Brick's fucked off to Venal, Rebellion and Stella Polaris ceased to exist seemingly of their own accord, and there was nobody else in Gem who was ever worth much in a serious fight(much as I love my alliance, we're tiny). They blew through Gem like it was made of paper after stuff started falling, seem to have punched out Rage entirely, are beating the snot out of Majesta, and they're still playing it off like they don't want Tribute. Give me a break. Brick, Rage, Majesta, and co are something like a quarter of NC/DC combined member counts, and they're trying to get them fully out of the fight before they make a clear move that will get the rest of NC to mobilize.

Pretty much everyone on that whole side of the war has made it clear that they think NC is a cancer on Eve, and that they want to destroy it. Why not take them at their word? I don't claim DRF has the manpower to fill up the universe from Fade to Feythabolis, but I see no reason they couldn't move west into the land of technetium and honey, and leave the shattered remnants of NC to feel pro for taking undefended space in space they don't care about any more. It's hardly inevitable that the NC will be destroyed, but it's actually getting believable, which is a lot more than it was a few months ago.

forteh
May 11 2011, 02:09:20 AM
on a related note, NC just lost a nyx to pl + nc. on a jumpbridge pos in a cynojammed system whilst the NC had a LOT of caps next door to save it easily, I guess the "line in the sand" only goes as far as the pos shield

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9648634

makira
May 11 2011, 04:12:46 AM
On another related news multiple system have been de-sbud. Waiting for station timers tomorrow.

Helen
May 11 2011, 06:16:00 AM
They probably will since it's safe they'll hav 500+ people easily

They have shown those numbers before and still not used them, of course the numbers have increased quite a bit more with Goons/TEST coming.

Herschel Yamamoto just as an FYI Rebellion reformed into Gypsy Band currently they have systems in Branch and live in N5Y in Venal.

Herschel Yamamoto
May 11 2011, 06:44:53 AM
I'm aware. I use the names interchangeably - probably a bad habit, but meh. I'm referring to killboard stats, not alliance names. They were doing fine for the first few weeks after they reformed, but then they really started slowing down. Not as badly as Stella - for a few weeks, my 350-man alliance was racking up noticeably more kills than Stella was - but still.

Helen
May 11 2011, 11:04:10 AM
Gotta give OWN props some ballsy fuck sbu'd a few systems in Vale.

Spacebat
May 11 2011, 11:19:54 AM
Honest question, why has Tribute been targeted instead of Tenal? Would attacking Tenal have also gotten the Goons involved?

Helen
May 11 2011, 11:22:50 AM
Honest question, why has Tribute been targeted instead of Tenal? Would attacking Tenal have also gotten the Goons involved?

Attacked Tribute because Russians were drunk and wanted a fight from NC, why go all the way to Tenal when Tribute is next door.

indeterminacy
May 11 2011, 01:14:08 PM
on a related note, NC just lost a nyx to pl + nc. on a jumpbridge pos in a cynojammed system whilst the NC had a LOT of caps next door to save it easily, I guess the "line in the sand" only goes as far as the pos shield

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9648634

And while you did this, what happened to the jammer next door?

1of9
May 11 2011, 01:20:39 PM
on a related note, NC just lost a nyx to pl + nc. on a jumpbridge pos in a cynojammed system whilst the NC had a LOT of caps next door to save it easily, I guess the "line in the sand" only goes as far as the pos shield

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9648634

And while you did this, what happened to the jammer next door?

i would trade a jammer for a nyx any day, if that's what you mean

forteh
May 11 2011, 01:58:50 PM
as I wrote earlier in this thread, DRF arent interested in tribute, the only reason they "attacked" it was to generate fights, [strike:2hpgw5f1]so I hope you had fun forming up your 1xxx people whilst we killed a nyx and then went back to BC2[/strike:2hpgw5f1]

Garst Tyrell
May 11 2011, 04:56:03 PM
our aussies had a great set of fights this morning. also nc is fighting for their towers again \o/ sorry correction rawr is dragging nc into defending RAWR towers again while leaving the rest to die so business as usual

anyway crossposting a quick aar from one of my guys who was there

"mini AAR. merc forms for timer. we have around 40 while scouting a 70 man shield bc NC gang + caps. hold off and start talking with ncdot. combined we form 80 man baddon fleet and NC bull rushes to HBD. we light cyno off of pos and they all warp at zero. 70 man baddon fleet bridge and total rape ensues. we also snag a bunch of shield repping carriers. tower dies at this point. ncdot and merc supers come in to shoot carriers then help finish tower with sentries

get word of 160 man NC bs gang formed up and heading our way while tower onlines. we spam both alliances for more and get around ~80-90 (?) and go balls deep. NC rock up, we melt primaries faster than them and we commit a couple triage carriers to fight. epic slug that went on forever ensues with us bridging back pockets of reinforcements mid fight from k3 and h-pa respectively. PL burn up from tribute way and NC flees (but not before 60-70% off their fleet is melted by ncdot/merciless)

tower finishes anchoring. much looting was to be had"-kryptyk

"Aye it was touch and go for a moment there, since we were so outnumbered, but the FC called for dps on dps ships instead of logistics while nc tried to kill our logi. Numbers were dieing real quickly.
Then ncdot FC got killed and demanded for a target caller, but everyone froze so i grabbed the mic and started yelling target calling and broadcasting.
When i took over the nc numbers were smaller and more manageable for their logis so some reps were holding but i switched targets and it worked again"-unclesam88

BR is kinda a clusterfuck but ill throw in evekill for ya

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9650583 so 5 carriers and probably 70% of nc killed in both fights, probably 30% friendly (merc/ncdot) losses

Also popped my supercap kill cherry last night, merc rushed into a ncdot fleet last minute so low turnout, but taking my hic which I almost never do felt like destiny ,and behold, first nyx kill and a great fight. I use the term fight loosely because again nc had 300+ 1j away in d-7 guarding an ihub while this poor guy died off a pos while his friends inside watched for about 20+ mins. PL also nuked a couple carriers and we killed 2 dreads outside with the nyx.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9648634

Helen
May 11 2011, 07:32:19 PM
So that's two more stations under WN control after a good scrap in WBR against NC forces.

Fayceoff
May 11 2011, 07:56:36 PM
Questionable tactics by NC for bringing an alpha abaddon fleet and then spending the first third of the fight trying to pick off guardians and a triage carrier when the whole point of alpha is to bypass logistics. NC would do better if they had DrKrom from Gypsy Band FCing imo!

Kryptyk
May 12 2011, 12:45:05 AM
awesome fight, big props to both ncdot and merciless holding strong against a larger bs force in a straight up slug fest

lots of fun, tower op success and 2 rounds of fighting. thx NC for bringing it

gfgf

Helen
May 13 2011, 09:53:15 AM
Ok update of Vale as of today.

Just an fyi when I list DRF I do mean DRF/PL/RDN etc but for brevity sake I will just call it DRF.

ZA0L has fallen to DRF forces and station is now in WN hands.

Two days ago KRUN and WBR5 were fought over but DRF forces prevailed and both systems were taken over by RAIDEN.
On the same day WN took control of E-CS and S6QX stations.

T-ZW is coming out of RF on Saturday evening iirc.
Few other systems in RF but station systems afaik.

Rans
May 13 2011, 10:01:45 AM
What happened to tvn?

Helen
May 13 2011, 10:02:10 AM
We took it???

Rans
May 13 2011, 10:05:49 AM
Oh, congratulations then, I thought everyone was expecting a massive showdown over that system

Helen
May 13 2011, 10:07:07 AM
Yeah there was a lot of hurf blurf about saving it but it was pretty much blueballs.

Tafkat
May 13 2011, 10:09:45 AM
Yeah there was a lot of hurf blurf about saving it but it was pretty much blueballs.
So what's RUS/White Noise's endgame here? Are they planning on moving in to the North or is this just payback for the NC's misadventures in the Kalevala expanse?

Spacebat
May 13 2011, 10:15:02 AM
Not sure where I read this or if the info is valid, but Raiden. and WN are leaving their space down south to live in the North.

Helen
May 13 2011, 10:30:43 AM
Yeah there was a lot of hurf blurf about saving it but it was pretty much blueballs.
So what's RUS/White Noise's endgame here? Are they planning on moving in to the North or is this just payback for the NC's misadventures in the Kalevala expanse?

There is no endgame just pvp. :popcorn:

I'll post some more stuff later on when I get some free time and do a bit of a roundup for those interested.

Helen
May 13 2011, 04:02:44 PM
wiDOT Nyx self destructed in Jan to PL forces.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/jerkybar/wiDOTnyxdown.jpg

15:11:43 Notify Tanaka Atsuko has initiated self-destruct of their Nyx, it will explode in 120 seconds.
15:13:43 Notify Nyx belonging to Tanaka Atsuko self-destructs.

But it's ok he's pretty :obama:

15:17:53 Tanaka Atsuko > its cool i can replace it any way

Dodgy Past
May 13 2011, 04:09:48 PM
What happened to tvn?
http://failheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?p=48683#p48683

Are White Noise using Tengu as well now?

Dwergi
May 14 2011, 03:48:55 AM
Stuff happened.

In DL1C Merciless, NCdot, Ev0ke and PL shot at a 3 NC fleets and brutalized them for some reason or other.

Then a bit later an NC AB Vaga fleet shot at some POS mods in SS-GED before Merciless/NCdot bridged on top of them. Yaay was tackled, so we got like 50 extra kills.

I honestly couldn't tell you what the point of either fight was, but shit died so I'm happy.

Marlona Sky
May 14 2011, 06:51:33 AM
They wanted to touch our shinies. So we took out a ruler and slapped them across the back of the hand. I could give a BR from my point of view but I have shit writing skills and I'm not sure if you guys would tolerate it.

Leboe
May 14 2011, 07:12:17 AM
SBUs online in TVN, are NC RFing the station?

Helen
May 14 2011, 11:40:32 PM
So what's the status of the invasion atm? From what I've read on kugu it sounds like DRF don't actually want to take Tribute?
If so I'm disappointed, I was looking forward to roasting marshmellows over the fire of H-W station.

Odd didn't know the Minmatar Milita gave a fuck.

Status is blueballs, MM lost a few dreads NC can't seem to shift the many gangs like vultures to a dead zebra.
We've taken more stations today in Vale there is no rush for Tribute. :nostradamus:

Nobody_Holme
May 14 2011, 11:42:15 PM
Any loss of turnout due to shittyness of crunching through stations, out of interest?

Helen
May 14 2011, 11:54:33 PM
Any loss of turnout due to shittyness of crunching through stations, out of interest?

Nah with the Goons being called in we expected a major push but on Wednesday we went riding bikes back south before heading back for taking more stations after dt.
Alliances are cycling around to do stuff but to be honest we got time on our hands, there is no rush. :guinness:

Dodgy Past
May 15 2011, 01:35:45 AM
Any loss of turnout due to shittyness of crunching through stations, out of interest?
It's still pretty easy to grab 100+ kills a week which keeps people interested, plus the PL FCs are wily and get us doing a lot of the sov stuff after they've got us some kills.

BlueOrca
May 16 2011, 06:18:28 AM
Big fight last night in D7-ZAC.
Stats:http://raiden.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9702394
Kills: 189
Losses: 55
Damage done (ISK): 30.29B - 30289.14M
Damage received (ISK): 7.75B - 7746.88M
Efficiency: 79.63%
Before the fight we reinforced some tech moons, after we killed all SBU in 4 systems.

Skyly
May 16 2011, 02:57:09 PM
Last Thursday we (Spricer), with some added elements from Voltron, formed up a small Slowhound gang to go fishing for a fight. We had been pretty succesful on our previous attempts (part 1 (http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=2039) & part 2 (http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3170)) so we weren't sure if NC would engage.

Anyway, this is essentially what happened:

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/WCM/Slowhounds_Part_Trois.GIF

:Whelp:

KB stats here:
http://kb.spricer.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3555



Tl;dr - Zeekar is terrible. :psyduck:

Rudolf Miller
May 16 2011, 03:35:11 PM
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/WCM/Slowhounds_Part_Trois.GIF
:

I demand all battle reports be in this format from now on.

Zeekar
May 16 2011, 09:29:59 PM
I do one welp and im branded terrible for life. :(

Still love you skyly :*

Helfix
May 16 2011, 10:12:56 PM
Nothing better to be expected from Zeekar :3,

also drawing is pro

Hunlight
May 17 2011, 09:30:42 AM
With bring a friend night upon us nc./merciless formed up a standard hellcat fleet to wait and see what the nc would. Sure enough they formed in their usual arty set up with a large fleet consisting of arty Abaddons (aprox 150 in fleet) and a smaller fleet of Maelstroms (aprox 60).

With only 70 in fleet triage carrier were called to be on standby. We bridged over to 3A1P and sat on the gate, with the nc not willing to jump in despite their superior numbers. So we started to move back towards home with nc only following to try snag stragglers. They moved back into QCAB area as we reformed on the titan. Then we waited getting reports that they were smacking and generally calling victory as we hadn't jump 70 people into 200+ nc, well played.

But none the less a plan was in the works. Wake up on the titan was called everyone back at the ready we bridge into 3A1P and warp to QCAB gate landing just before the hostiles with both fleets jumping through with us going in first we anchor up straight away they hold cloak. PL bridge in their Tengu gang and move into position.

The NC start to decloak and primarys are called with them burning away trying to pull range on our Hellcats. With the Maelstroms pulling range quickly on our slower Abaddons the enemy Abaddons are primed with them dropping quickly. Even with their superior number advantage in dps and logistics most ships go down quickly with only a few pulling reps. With the triage carriers holding most our Abaddons up the nc switch to prime one of the carriers, the carrier isn't holding but coasts out of triage and relieves reps from the other.

No bubbles on us we warp out to a ping and back bang smack in the middle of the nc fleet. At this point the nc fc's had called a GTFO and had stopped calling so those that remained on field were mopped up with the two damnations taking long time to kill with support as they had burned 120k off the Abaddons.

Overall was good fight did have the occasional bit of lag surprisingly with only aprox 350 in local. NC's bring a friend night is much approved by us as provides more people to shoot.

Killboard Links (still a bit screwed up I think)
http://www.northern-coalition.co.uk/?a=kill_related&kll_id=54525
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_battle.php?start_time=2011-05-17%2002:28:00&end_time=2011-05-17%2002:59:00&system=Q-CAB2

With not many been killed our end their superior numbers doesn't show :)

Bashiri
May 17 2011, 04:04:07 PM
The NC fc forgot to call targets as he was yelling for his to break out of the bubbles.So there was no shooting from nc for 5 minutes we just killed what we could and lol on coms.

Helen
May 17 2011, 04:39:26 PM
RAGE dropped some sov today in Vale after ME's failed attempt to online SBU's in random Vale systems.

Kinda at a loss to explain why they did such a thing as it took longer to cap up the supers than to destroy the SBU's planted.
Quite a few systems in RF still and coming out over the next few days with RAGE expected to lose station systems by next week latest, then again most RAGE corps with sense/lack of honor etcetc went to Fountain rather than watch what is happening.

depili
May 17 2011, 04:45:15 PM
Any BR for this? https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboa ... tem=KLY-C0 (https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_battle.php?start_time=2011-05-16%2022:02:00&end_time=2011-05-16%2022:16:00&system=KLY-C0)

Seems like the invulnerability of the thundercat fleet has been broken.

Helen
May 17 2011, 05:00:27 PM
From reading Shadoo's report on Kugu.com seems they fucked up on a warpin and didn't expect Goons to bounce around so fast.
No one ever thought Tengu's were invulnerable look at Imperian's attempts with them. :obama:

Herschel Yamamoto
May 17 2011, 05:35:48 PM
The NC fc forgot to call targets as he was yelling for his to break out of the bubbles.So there was no shooting from nc for 5 minutes we just killed what we could and lol on coms.

Jesus, what kind of retards are in these fleets? If you don't have an open primary call, you lock a few targets and start shooting them. Hell, even if you do have a primary call, you lock up a couple spare targets just in case. Shooting randoms isn't as good as shooting the primary, but it's a lot better than sitting there with a stunned look on your face.