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Ivy_Lash
May 30 2014, 08:53:42 PM
Northern Scumdumpster

Bocephus
May 31 2014, 01:12:06 AM
So that's how he spun it.

Well in the interest of 'no spin' and unmovable goalposts lets include the part where the tengus died like bitches http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23676342

Shit is hilarious

70 tackle ships, 3 bloc-level FCs, only tackle six. Not winning fast enough.

Keeves
May 31 2014, 07:51:57 AM
Fair enough. When you make a dent in the trillion isk/mo empire that stretches from Tenal to Period Basis I'll check back in.

http://memeshare.net/memes/4/3377.png

Mordax
May 31 2014, 09:55:00 AM
I'm super cummy right now, drippin' loads erry'where.

LordsServant
June 1 2014, 02:39:23 AM
BRcat for the titan tickled engagement: http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=2919&b=6000570&e=60&t=bv

Loads of fun. Doubly so since it was a smack in the face for the half baked CFC narrative. The Mittani was actually in fleet, I can only imagine how he tried to spin that one.

Spin what one? The whole purpose of the nightly camp is to keep the npc dwellers from [size=10]shooting moons or harming infrastructure.

So hows that one working out for you?

http://www.twitch.tv/lords_serv

BTW FIGHTING INTENSIFIES

Northern Observer
June 1 2014, 03:22:08 AM
BRcat for the titan tickled engagement: http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=2919&b=6000570&e=60&t=bv

Loads of fun. Doubly so since it was a smack in the face for the half baked CFC narrative. The Mittani was actually in fleet, I can only imagine how he tried to spin that one.

Spin what one? The whole purpose of the nightly camp is to keep the npc dwellers from [size=10]shooting moons or harming infrastructure.

So hows that one working out for you?

http://www.twitch.tv/lords_serv

BTW FIGHTING INTENSIFIES

Pretty good seeing as you cant even ref a jb without getting dropped on rofl

LordsServant
June 1 2014, 03:34:44 AM
BRcat for the titan tickled engagement: http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=2919&b=6000570&e=60&t=bv

Loads of fun. Doubly so since it was a smack in the face for the half baked CFC narrative. The Mittani was actually in fleet, I can only imagine how he tried to spin that one.

Spin what one? The whole purpose of the nightly camp is to keep the npc dwellers from [size=10]shooting moons or harming infrastructure.

So hows that one working out for you?

http://www.twitch.tv/lords_serv

BTW FIGHTING INTENSIFIES

Pretty good seeing as you cant even ref a jb without getting dropped on rofl

Tell me more about the hour+ you guys took to cyno to a system next to us while we waited patiently in x-70 (after you'd been forming for an hour before that) followed by 15m of us sitting on a gate waiting for you guys to warp to us followed by a further 20m of us shooting a tech moon waiting for you to come fight us, and us finally warping DIRECTLY ONTO A FUCKING JB TOWER to finally force you scrubs to fight us after hours of you guys being fucking shit.

If you could be any more shit you'd literally implode in a fountain of mtn dew and cheeto dust.

Also, can your fleet numbers plse stop dropping every night? Larger fleets = more tards derping that we get to rape.

Bocephus
June 1 2014, 03:39:19 AM
Decent fight with the goons and pets in 4-AB. Started out with us (BL) camping the X-7 undock with Mooninns before the CFCs could (so they couldn't cyno in on the station). After a bit we switched to armor Ishtars and setup on station grid with a jammer. After a while we decide to go hit some infrastructure they so desperately don't want hit. We started by anchoring a jammer and defanging a POS of some sort, yet they still don't show up to fight. Desperate for a fight, we decided to warp to the grid they want to fight on, a fairly fanged JB/beacon POS. Of course they immediately cyno in a slowcat blob and we start engaging. Early on both sides traded BS for Ishtars, with a decent edge to CFC. As we get out to a good range and killed all the dictors and hictors, we were able to align anchor and warp out before dying. That tipped the fight in our favor as we stopped losing ships altogether, while still occasionally getting a kill. At some point the CFC went into waterboard mode and started killing our drones, forcing us to leave field. GFs were exchanged and we peaced out.

I did some sweet camera work but apparently forgot to hit my record hotkey, so you'll have to hope Lord's got it.

BRcat: http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=2015&b=6003480&e=60&t=bvfeuq

antoine
June 1 2014, 04:29:01 AM
Based on what I could gather being in the boot fleet. it seemed like when yall went to 4-AB we expected you to hit the JB pos (I think you've hit it before)? We actually went in on there i think soon after you got into 4-AB the first time. When it became obvious that you weren't intending on fighting there, we went home, only to go back out when you did eventually go there. Our in cyno was pretty good and yall didn't pull range nearly as quickly as I'm used to, so we got a decent amount of kills from that. Once you were out beyond like 90km we swapped to drones to try to slow dps.

LordsServant
June 2 2014, 04:15:33 AM
So we just ran around, incapped the cynojammer, incapped the cynobeacon, busted a ton of supercaps out of old rapecaged POSes, reinforced the goon zappers, and sat on a titan waiting for the cfc shitlords to try to fight us - they wouldn't.

Looks like it's time to start RFing/incapp even more stuff? Maybe we'll camp vfk for a bit? :P

Looks like that super duper pro plan of camping us into station with your unfair carrier blob worked all of...never? ;)

meowtiger
June 2 2014, 04:22:06 AM
i think i remember somebody saying something about putting a dent in their trillion isk/mo rmt empire

LordsServant
June 2 2014, 04:26:36 AM
i think i remember somebody saying something about putting a dent in their trillion isk/mo rmt empire

^^^

We definitely put a small "dent" into their infrastructure. ;)

Goalpost change incoming!


You must put a scratch I mean put a hole in uh.... put a BIG hole in erm..... take a constellation .............. kill the cfc entirely.... NOT WINNING FAST ENOUGH!!!111!!!!!1!!11oneoneone!11!11oneone111elev enteleven!!!111111 HEIL MITTENZ!

meowtiger
June 2 2014, 04:28:56 AM
not their infrastructure you dumbhead, you have to reinforce all their r64s

it's obvious that's what he meant

Northern Observer
June 2 2014, 05:49:37 AM
So we just ran around, incapped the cynojammer, incapped the cynobeacon, busted a ton of supercaps out of old rapecaged POSes, reinforced the goon zappers, and sat on a titan waiting for the cfc shitlords to try to fight us - they wouldn't.

Looks like it's time to start RFing/incapp even more stuff? Maybe we'll camp vfk for a bit? :P

Looks like that super duper pro plan of camping us into station with your unfair carrier blob worked all of...never? ;)

Elo didnt share with you our broadcast about the nightly op being delayed because of Game of Thrones? Ah yes, the narrative and all. Congrats on being kissless virgins though. Dumbass.

QuackBot
June 2 2014, 08:00:14 AM
70 tackle ships, 3 bloc-level FCs, only tackle six. Not winning fast enough.
I have 3 accounts now: 1) clipping detection is ridiculous, and you go out fast.

Keckers
June 2 2014, 09:10:10 AM
So we just ran around, incapped the cynojammer, incapped the cynobeacon, busted a ton of supercaps out of old rapecaged POSes, reinforced the goon zappers, and sat on a titan waiting for the cfc shitlords to try to fight us - they wouldn't.

Looks like it's time to start RFing/incapp even more stuff? Maybe we'll camp vfk for a bit? :P

Looks like that super duper pro plan of camping us into station with your unfair carrier blob worked all of...never? ;)

Elo didnt share with you our broadcast about the nightly op being delayed because of Game of Thrones? Ah yes, the narrative and all. Congrats on being kissless virgins though. Dumbass.

Are you a parody account or something?

Bocephus
June 2 2014, 09:11:06 AM
So we just ran around, incapped the cynojammer, incapped the cynobeacon, busted a ton of supercaps out of old rapecaged POSes, reinforced the goon zappers, and sat on a titan waiting for the cfc shitlords to try to fight us - they wouldn't.

Looks like it's time to start RFing/incapp even more stuff? Maybe we'll camp vfk for a bit? :P

Looks like that super duper pro plan of camping us into station with your unfair carrier blob worked all of...never? ;)

Elo didnt share with you our broadcast about the nightly op being delayed because of Game of Thrones? Ah yes, the narrative and all. Congrats on being kissless virgins though. Dumbass.

Except the part where you did attempt to form, fruitlessly.

meowtiger
June 2 2014, 11:32:21 AM
kissless virgins


"nightly operation" in internet spaceships videogame delayed to appease equally nerdy tv series fandom

m8

Orar Ironfist
June 2 2014, 12:56:22 PM
So we just ran around, incapped the cynojammer, incapped the cynobeacon, busted a ton of supercaps out of old rapecaged POSes, reinforced the goon zappers, and sat on a titan waiting for the cfc shitlords to try to fight us - they wouldn't.

Looks like it's time to start RFing/incapp even more stuff? Maybe we'll camp vfk for a bit? :P

Looks like that super duper pro plan of camping us into station with your unfair carrier blob worked all of...never? ;)

Elo didnt share with you our broadcast about the nightly op being delayed because of Game of Thrones? Ah yes, the narrative and all. Congrats on being kissless virgins though. Dumbass.

Are you a parody account or something?

It's pretty obvious that it's an attempted troll account. I just wish it was better at it.

bundus
June 2 2014, 01:42:37 PM
So we just ran around, incapped the cynojammer, incapped the cynobeacon, busted a ton of supercaps out of old rapecaged POSes, reinforced the goon zappers, and sat on a titan waiting for the cfc shitlords to try to fight us - they wouldn't.

Looks like it's time to start RFing/incapp even more stuff? Maybe we'll camp vfk for a bit? :P

Looks like that super duper pro plan of camping us into station with your unfair carrier blob worked all of...never? ;)

Elo didnt share with you our broadcast about the nightly op being delayed because of Game of Thrones? Ah yes, the narrative and all. Congrats on being kissless virgins though. Dumbass.

Are you a parody account or something?

It's pretty obvious that it's an attempted troll account. I just wish it was better at it.

And yet alas, all I can see here is arseholes getting jealous of the shit that spews from your mouths.

ry ry
June 2 2014, 04:51:31 PM
Does that even make sense?

phone post

Orar Ironfist
June 2 2014, 06:03:56 PM
So we just ran around, incapped the cynojammer, incapped the cynobeacon, busted a ton of supercaps out of old rapecaged POSes, reinforced the goon zappers, and sat on a titan waiting for the cfc shitlords to try to fight us - they wouldn't.

Looks like it's time to start RFing/incapp even more stuff? Maybe we'll camp vfk for a bit? :P

Looks like that super duper pro plan of camping us into station with your unfair carrier blob worked all of...never? ;)

Elo didnt share with you our broadcast about the nightly op being delayed because of Game of Thrones? Ah yes, the narrative and all. Congrats on being kissless virgins though. Dumbass.

Are you a parody account or something?

It's pretty obvious that it's an attempted troll account. I just wish it was better at it.

And yet alas, all I can see here is arseholes getting jealous of the shit that spews from your mouths.

That's like the worst insult I've ever heard. And I just wish it was humorous rather then the propaganda spewing retardation he's going for.

Ivy_Lash
June 2 2014, 06:40:52 PM
I was there. was disappointed was told many goons to kill. the goons are a lie

Bocephus
June 3 2014, 04:59:35 AM
http://i.imgur.com/SRyA5Ua.png

bundus
June 3 2014, 05:50:51 AM
That's like the worst insult I've ever heard. And I just wish it was humorous rather then the propaganda spewing retardation he's going for.

It is the truth. The last three pages are you lot sucking each other off. And I do not need propaganda to promote this.

Orar Ironfist
June 3 2014, 01:36:51 PM
http://i.imgur.com/SRyA5Ua.png

DONT JUDGE ME. Seriously though the Citadel Torps animation has always been one of the coolest. That's literally why I fly this.

Orar Ironfist
June 3 2014, 01:38:07 PM
That's like the worst insult I've ever heard. And I just wish it was humorous rather then the propaganda spewing retardation he's going for.

It is the truth. The last three pages are you lot sucking each other off. And I do not need propaganda to promote this.

You expected different from FHC? Really? Next you're gonna post about shitpoasting on kugu.

Northern Observer
June 5 2014, 12:09:10 AM
~Content Alert~

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=25418

http://eg.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23797905

#rekt

Bocephus
June 5 2014, 12:33:26 AM
That's what happens when a strong independent black US TZ alliance tries to fight filthy euros.

Orar Ironfist
June 5 2014, 12:40:02 AM
~Content Alert~

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=25418

http://eg.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23797905

#rekt

BR please~

That is quite the dunking though, were your apocs getting remote tracking comp'd or something by the archons or did they just fail at keeping range?
EDIT: On second glance through the actual killmails it looks like the apocs had really nothing to do with the ishtars and it was another ishtar fleet. I'm guessing frig swarm full of scrams/webs?

Bocephus
June 5 2014, 12:50:51 AM
Shitty off-TZ numbers, a bad on grid warp that split the fleet, and the inability for AB armor cruiser to disengage is pretty much the gist of it. I wish I could tell you more but I was the first to die.

Marlona Sky
June 5 2014, 01:12:35 AM
~Content Alert~

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=25418

http://eg.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23797905

#rekt

You do realize SMA is part of the CFC right?

meowtiger
June 5 2014, 01:12:52 AM
inability for AB armor cruiser to disengage

this is the reason why tri has decided not to fuck around with ab armor cruisers anymore, after a couple of sacrilege fiascos

Securitas
June 5 2014, 01:15:44 AM
~Content Alert~

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=25418

http://eg.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23797905

#rekt

You do realize SMA is part of the CFC right?
Of course he did, he's just disingenuously trying to make it seem like an even-numbered fight to prove that CFC is "better" than MOBL.

Northern Observer
June 5 2014, 01:22:57 AM
Aaaaand this is why you dont get a BR, the grr goons circle-jerk is here to instantly shit on it!

Peace

DaDutchDude
June 5 2014, 01:40:50 AM
Troll meter: 1/10
Teachers remark: Keep trying! You'll get there some day!

Ivy_Lash
June 5 2014, 01:59:51 AM
Aaaaand this is why you dont get a BR, the grr goons circle-jerk is here to instantly shit on it!

Peace

We thought thats what you were into...

Anyways where are the US TZ fleets. I would like to get #rekt #dunked as well as the next guy.

Bocephus
June 5 2014, 03:41:25 AM
If I didn't know better I'd say the CFC is ~strategically blueballing~ BL in the US TZ right now.

Azock
June 5 2014, 05:31:24 AM
Well this what we did during op time. https://zkillboard.com/kill/39312108/

I gotta say, if you are going to get caught in a carrier ratting make sure your fit is similar to that. Even with 74 dudes it took forever to kill him. If we didn't have the numbers we did to hold the field, he could of been rescued from a lesser gang fairly easily.

Northern Observer
June 5 2014, 06:10:43 AM
If I didn't know better I'd say the CFC is ~strategically blueballing~ BL in the US TZ right now.

Wouldnt want to give all of your new recruits the impression they will have any fun at all in the north. Congratulations on your carrier kill m8s.

Armyofme
June 5 2014, 10:56:00 AM
If I didn't know better I'd say the CFC is ~strategically blueballing~ BL in the US TZ right now.

Wouldnt want to give all of your new recruits the impression they will have any fun at all in the north. Congratulations on your carrier kill m8s.

Wow, you really are the most shitty poster these forums has had in quite a while, and thats saying a lot

Lex Arson
June 5 2014, 11:34:17 AM
http://i.imgur.com/SRyA5Ua.png

:colbert:

derpatalk

Keckers
June 5 2014, 04:33:47 PM
If I didn't know better I'd say the CFC is ~strategically blueballing~ BL in the US TZ right now.

Wouldnt want to give all of your new recruits the impression they will have any fun at all in the north. Congratulations on your carrier kill m8s.

Wow, you really are the most shitty poster these forums has had in quite a while, and thats saying a lot

No no, we're just too grr goons to realise he's the best poster here and nothing we say matters until we put a scratch in his reputation empire that stretches from deklein to venal

vDJ
June 5 2014, 05:59:51 PM
his reputation empire that stretches from deklein to venal

Rep cartels will never bow to rep empires.

Marlona Sky
June 5 2014, 08:26:00 PM
Northern Observer -

Why did CFC abandon Stain Waggon?

If CFC had not; would Stain Waggon still be alive?

Why does Solar Fleet have the alliances in CFC set blue and vice versa?

Would you call N3 and PL's comeback to win the Halloween War the greatest ever in EVE?

Would it be logical to include Solar Fleet as part of CFC for the coalition map? Sans the 20 systems Solar Fleet has in a CFC controlled region; there is only 3-5 systems of Stain Waggin left that will be taken away in the next day or two.

What are your thoughts on these matters?

Lex Arson
June 5 2014, 11:06:27 PM
Marlona; why does your coalition map include so-called "neutral states?" I though these were impossible because of grr projection, please explain how this is possible?

Bocephus
June 6 2014, 02:10:10 AM
Goodbye Northern thread. I'll miss you, but not your observer.

Verite Rendition
June 6 2014, 06:26:43 AM
Marlona; why does your coalition map include so-called "neutral states?" I though these were impossible because of grr projection, please explain how this is possible?That was my doing. Neutral States is the default category for any alliance not assigned to a coalition. If they're not in a coalition, then they must by definition be neutral. (Really it's just a failsafe; as it stands all alliances eventually end up in a coalition, even if it's just a coalition of one).

Credacom
June 6 2014, 03:01:31 PM
Wasting time at work on a beautiful Friday afternoon...

Why did CFC abandon Stain Wagon? - IMO - Because it was becoming very clear that it was a completely 1-sided relationship. Stain Wagon had zero to offer the CFC for sticking around in the south after the O-W station camp. Goons wanted nothing to do with grinding the regions of the south, but they should have, oh how they should have. Greatest blunder of 2014?

If CFC had not; would Stain Wagon still be alive? - Yup - but probably only equal or at most slightly stronger, which is still quite dismal. Still miles away from self-resilience, and still easy pickings for PL/N3 alone.

Why does Solar Fleet have the alliances in CFC set blue and vice versa? The CFC has no1 else to ally with. Plus w/o having at least ONE other (known) organization "outside" the CFC, how else would they find content for spin potential. Solar was broken-badly, still on life-support from the motherland eviction. They also had no1 else to join them in the revenge op against PL/N3. Forced to sleep on the CFC couch, shared with other misfit-toys.

Would you call N3 and PL's comeback to win the Halloween War the greatest ever in EVE? - naw, it was kind of handed to them once the CFC left. Win by default I would say. But you got to give it to PL/NC. for bouncing back from B-R and taking the chance that was given to them to counter-punch.

Would it be logical to include Solar Fleet as part of CFC for the coalition map? Sans the 20 systems Solar Fleet has in a CFC controlled region; there is only 3-5 systems of Stain Wagon left that will be taken away in the next day or two. - Yeap, but equally to bundle PL/BoT/N3/NA all together also.

LordsServant
June 6 2014, 05:59:23 PM
Why did CFC abandon Stain Wagon? - IMO - Because it was becoming very clear that it was a completely 1-sided relationship. Stain Wagon had zero to offer the CFC for sticking around in the south after the O-W station camp. Goons wanted nothing to do with grinding the regions of the south, but they should have, oh how they should have. Greatest blunder of 2014?

Of course it was a completely 1-sided relationship.

The thing was, Stainwagon had a HUGE amount to offer the CFC. Without stainwagon, CFC once more has absolutely no chance at actually beating N3/PL in a supercap fight. The russians were needed to make that possible with their additional numbers. The problem was in actually thinking of Stainwagon as a separate entity to begin with. All they are/were in that conflict was an extension of CFC. The CFC needs it's individual meatshield alliances to provide more numbers to the blob; it's not like any single part of the CFC is actually good in the least bit. Every single alliance in the CFC would collapse in all of a month if left to itself entirely without propping up from the rest of the coalition. Every CFC alliance is largely comprised of the lowest common denominator of eve pilots - "fleet" pilots.

Stainwagon was much the same - they were completely unable to stand on their own, and even as a sort of sub-collective in the CFC they were unable to withstand external pressure without CFC intervention. Mittens should've recognized this and propped them up or relocated them much like he would've done with any other CFC meatshield entity.

He didn't, and now all their numbers/supercaps are either integrated into N3/PL, or completely lost as far as supporting CFC should another supercap fight break out.

Stainwagon had exactly the same thing to offer as other CFC alliances, and were the tipping point in allowing them to beat n3. CFC can no longer outblob them without those extra numbers, despite the fact that they're just extra warm bodies like literally every alliance in the CFC.

LeonM
June 6 2014, 06:35:34 PM
While this could arguably be the state of affairs towards the END of the conflict, your take on the balance of powers, that is - you seem to forget that when this conflict was initiated, SW alone, seen the HBC and TDS to their graves. Quite a few alliances died back then.
So the part about being on par with "any CFC alliance" self-reliance wise of your thesis is kind of bullshit.
The war was started without the CFC and SW allowed (at first) to become blue in order to be more effective. Later on it was rather clear that SW simply can not advance any more without full involvement of the CFC, and probably can't defend against N3/PL as well.
So i can extrapolate the bullshit part on your entire opinion, due to yourself not being terribly well informed, but i won't since there are, accidentally as it is - some tiny grains of truth in it.

To Marlona Sky -
Though these questions of yours hit on a soft spot (still bitter) they actually make sense.
Only I'd change the one about the 'biggest comeback' to this one:
"Would you call this the biggest opportunity lost ever by the CFC?"

LoKiPP
June 6 2014, 06:51:50 PM
Mittens should've recognized this and propped them up or relocated them much like he would've done with any other CFC meatshield entity.

This shows how much you really know (nothing).

Keckers
June 6 2014, 07:56:13 PM
For some reason Stainwagon are rather attached to the shitty swathes of space in the south east, I'm not sure anybody could 'rehome' somewhere else on the map.

QuackBot
June 6 2014, 08:00:13 PM
Marlona; why does your coalition map include so-called "neutral states?" I though these were impossible because of grr projection, please explain how this is possible?
Because i think it would even be possible.

LordsServant
June 6 2014, 09:34:32 PM
While this could arguably be the state of affairs towards the END of the conflict, your take on the balance of powers, that is - you seem to forget that when this conflict was initiated, SW alone, seen the HBC and TDS to their graves. Quite a few alliances died back then.
So the part about being on par with "any CFC alliance" self-reliance wise of your thesis is kind of bullshit.
The war was started without the CFC and SW allowed (at first) to become blue in order to be more effective. Later on it was rather clear that SW simply can not advance any more without full involvement of the CFC, and probably can't defend against N3/PL as well.
So i can extrapolate the bullshit part on your entire opinion, due to yourself not being terribly well informed, but i won't since there are, accidentally as it is - some tiny grains of truth in it.

To Marlona Sky -
Though these questions of yours hit on a soft spot (still bitter) they actually make sense.
Only I'd change the one about the 'biggest comeback' to this one:
"Would you call this the biggest opportunity lost ever by the CFC?"

Absolutely wrong.

Showing TDS/HBC as examples of SW/RusRus "success" is a bad joke.

TDS was a failed abortion joke of a coalition, with all parties involved being disgustingly shit.

How do I know? I was literally there. I had characters in said coalition and was utterly disgusted by the lack of organization or leadership involved. There's a reason alliances died and it was more or less a complete "pres f1 to win" unopposed sov grind after the beginning few things when russians were still organizing into proper groups and getting fleet numbers. EMP was about the most competent group there, and they were a bad fucking joke as well.

They never had any chance vs N3/PL to begin with, and every point I made stands completely.

Every individual alliance in that group (rus) was no better than your (perhaps above) average CFC meatshield alliance. Together they could pull some half-assed numbers, together they could occasionally use dreads or supers, but this is absolutely no different than the CFC as a whole. They may have had a handful of FCs (unlike most of the CFC) but the average line member skill level and overall numbers + caps etc etc is just the same as you'd expect from a couple of CFC meatshield alliances.

LeonM
June 6 2014, 09:45:12 PM
whatever. arguing (specially with you) about an abstract "skill level of any line member" seems kind of futile.
You were speaking of self-reliance, and there are facts to speak for it. SW made the way form Stain, through countless meat grinders in T-8 (fighting at 1x2 at best) , to control 4-5 regions in the South, by itself. It wasn't installed there, and your comparison is invalid.

Keckers
June 6 2014, 09:46:59 PM
The dinner squadron couldn't even deal with the pressure put on them by a handful of nulli secunda corps on a casual deployment. They were bad

LeonM
June 6 2014, 09:55:00 PM
Indeed they were, and they were a welcome rest after being blobbed to shit by the HBC.

Credacom
June 9 2014, 01:46:39 PM
Back in the HBC and then TDS times, Stainwagon was in their prime over the last 2 years imo. I was there with Unclaimed., their Rokh/Tengu fleets were quite effective and good fights were had, but we were slowly losing ground against them. Soon after they started taking parts of Feyth, Unclaimed. leadership cracked under the pressure and the -ASH- alliance was created by a band of rebels who rallied the US TZ corps to break away from Unclaimed. and some did. Then Unclaimed. had a 2 front war, which was more than enough to break it.

SW was fielding like 250 man fleets, full doctrine-well lead. Even during USTZ, so it was a pretty solid force back then that was taking space from the weaker alliances in the south, which at that time it seemed ripe for the picking.

TDS was formed from Init. , EMP, Wall, -ASH- and maybe some smaller alliance, to try and continue the fight against SW post Unclaimed. break, but failed quickly. It was a good idea, but unable to coordinate and ended as a joke like Lord said. Once it was clear that SW wanted more of the south, TDS died. Then fountain war started, test died. CFC took Fountain, Delve. NC. took old Raiden space in Querious, but gave it up (not sure what happ there). Init and solar were given seats on the CFC cough in Queri. But Stainwagon wanted more in the south with their new momentum and allies in the CFC, knowing the CFC would not continue south past PB. That’s when SW meet the front lines with N3. Al la Halloween war started.

In the end, Stainwagon bit off more (FAR MORE) than they could chew and the CFC left the table after the main course at B-R/O-W hell camp. This made all that newly gained space in the south, southeast very easy to re-take by NC. w/o the CFC support.

It was almost like a huge troll the CFC pulled on SW. Setting them up to burn once they left. Letting them take all that space, only to watch it get smashed from the rear-view mirror headed back home north.

meowtiger
June 16 2014, 03:01:08 PM
so geminate is pretty fun (https://zkillboard.com/related/30002440/201406141800/) (if someone wants to brdoc this i will edit it but brdoc, brcat and dingo are all blocked at my work)

br:

i got home from work and jabber was blinking: eric from fistn was asking for volunteers to come out on a nano cruisephoon fleet to make trouble. i don't have a typhoon and i don't really like eric's accent so i ignored it and moved on with my life, surfing reddit etc. 10 minutes later, a ping comes out from wargod saying, "carriers tackled login get in fleet" and i immediately log in, hop in a sabre, get in fleet and start moving

the fight went down like this: typhoons went to bwf and started messing with people, xdeath sent some carriers to the gate to shoo tri away, and instead of being shooed away eric rage pinged for ishtars and bubbled the shit out of their carriers. initially there were only 2-3 carriers on the gate which would have been easy pickings for our half-dozen typhoons and ~20 ishtars, but they kept sending more, and formed a dominix fleet which pushed our tackle far enough off that the carriers managed to get out. after the carriers left, realizing their fleet only had 2 oneiros for reps, we burned our dictors to get hero tackle and mopped up their remaining subcaps.

shoutout to the tri dictor crew, phenomenal defensive bubbling as always spreading out the hostile fleet over a 200km stretch of space as they warped in piecemeal from the station

Callduron
July 8 2014, 06:14:42 AM
The Bastion have returned home from deployment and Nulli have deployed to low sec The Forge. (Not sure if other N3 elements also up here).

We had a skirmish yesterday.

First we blew up a Nulli Vaga then we moved on to our mission which was shooting a low sec poco (for some reason, don't ask me why!) Our scouts got a possible bite out of the Russians next door so we went in and played station games with them narrowly missing a Domi kill (he docked in half structure). After we got bored we went back and suddenly ishtars appeared at range and started killing Hurricanes. We were in autocannon mjd canes. We didn't manage to coordinate a good mjd align so we bugged out after losing a few ships.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24291076

We headed slowly homewards, pausing in P3E, and the Nulli gang exuberantly followed us in. We did a bit better this time. I was in an inty and managed to get 100km behind them but then had to warp out. Just as I was warping out the FC got the fleet warp and landed right on them. It was a fun sprawling brawl on the Obe gate which Bastion won, round 2 as it were having got dunked round 1. I had great fun tackling people and running away - think I coward warped 4 times as well as abusing the Need Armour button, gotta love logi. Managed to live through the fight in half hull after tackling all the things.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24292338

All told Nulli got more kills, we won on isk and it was really good fun.

I expect we'll see a lot of fights in and around Vale over the next couple of weeks between Bastion and Nulli.

meowtiger
July 8 2014, 11:31:20 AM
Nulli have deployed to low sec The Forge

looks more like "some guys from one corp in nulli are dicking around in lowsec" than "nulli have deployed to lowsec."

edit: "8 ishtars roaming lowsec? better bring 20 armor canes with logi and support to fight them" yep sounds about right gf bastion

Smarnca
July 10 2014, 01:08:50 AM
Nulli have deployed to low sec The Forge

looks more like "some guys from one corp in nulli are dicking around in lowsec" than "nulli have deployed to lowsec."

edit: "8 ishtars roaming lowsec? better bring 20 armor canes with logi and support to fight them" yep sounds about right gf bastion

I have seen around 100 people in Maila local usually and like 15 man gatecamps.

It's sad that they live a "little too far" from us.

Also why did they pick maila? It's a shitty place. They can only reach geminate and a couple vale systems. Personally I would go to Nalvula area it's much better for harassing goons.

Smarnca
July 10 2014, 01:09:05 AM
doublepost quackbot fix it

Tetsuo
July 14 2014, 04:36:08 AM
Nulli have deployed to low sec The Forge

looks more like "some guys from one corp in nulli are dicking around in lowsec" than "nulli have deployed to lowsec."

edit: "8 ishtars roaming lowsec? better bring 20 armor canes with logi and support to fight them" yep sounds about right gf bastion

If the nulli pilots weren't retarded there is no way they should have been losing nano Ishtars to armour auto cannon hurricanes honestly. How does that even happen?

EDIT: nm, it was only the one ishtar km that managed to get tackled with no help from an interceptor.

W0lf Crendraven
September 10 2014, 01:33:59 AM
today i was roaming in a solo ranis through this region of space (germinate), i found a 15 man mining ops and a ratting rattlesnake both of which i could not attack due to light drone swarm, i then 1v1ed a wolf and managed to kill it before his friends got me, then i died trying to 1v1 a sabre.

Longdrinks
September 10 2014, 07:38:31 AM
Did you have a good time?

LeoniaTavira
September 10 2014, 09:42:41 AM
today i was roaming in a solo ranis through this region of space (germinate), i found a 15 man mining ops and a ratting rattlesnake
What time of day?

W0lf Crendraven
September 10 2014, 11:49:46 AM
Yeah was kinda fun but mostly annoying as hell due to the one day i find perfect targets i cant do shit to them. Was at around 0:00-1:30 eve time i think.

QuackBot
September 10 2014, 12:00:12 PM
I have seen around 100 people in Maila local usually and like 15 man gatecamps.

It's sad that they live a "little too far" from us.

Also why did they pick maila? It's a shitty place. They can only reach geminate and a couple vale systems. Personally I would go to Nalvula area it's much better for harassing goons.
100% Better instead of 33% better.

Longdrinks
October 27 2014, 07:37:01 AM
Love squad has left delve since its soon to be a dead region for nc renters and moved into geminate npc pocket were we can jump a jf straight from the jita 4-4 undock to our home.

After trial and tribulations we finished moving yesterday and introduced ourselves to the russians camping bwf with talwar fleet:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25738425


Later in the day they came around fdz to repay the favour by camping our undock with a armor fleet plus a nyx on a pos assigning fighters.
https://zkillboard.com/br/12362/


FDZ is a pretty poppin place with us, mafia redux and a couple other small gang or solo oriented corps living here atm so come on down for a fight today!

Keckers
October 27 2014, 08:03:45 AM
Confirming FDZ is where the cool kids are hanging out.

Noobonga
October 27 2014, 08:53:32 AM
Joined PASTA and couldn't wait to fly my Sabre around Delve. Somehow I ended up joining pizza and flying cruisers around Geminate.

Well, the first few hours roaming around this rusrus)) region proved that this is the region I want to be in. (http://i.imgur.com/rEimvEb.jpg)

A few hours later I was still roaming around a got pretty annoyed because everytime I tackled some ratting ship a random Thanatos landed on grid to help his mates out. Bounced around region and no matter where I went he followed me. Somehow I ended playing gategames with a Drake and guess what, of course the Thanatos landed on the other side of the gate to rep the Drake. (http://puu.sh/crdYo/ff010d46a5.jpg)

Decided to call for some help because lol, carrier on the gate. (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25735125) RIP Thanny.

Later continued soloing around and got a pretty decent fight with the locals. VNI Strong. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25741841

Artjay
October 27 2014, 11:39:25 PM
Two names you need to know, from someone who whelps ships in bwf on a daily basis.

1) Fred Brickhead. Whatever he is flying, it's bait.
2) Serge777, almost always in hurricane. (numbers might be off).

Theese guys seem to be fc's of standing defence fleets and have both lit cynos to kill me.

Russians are pretty chill tho. They do blob like fuck, but they don't smug about it and always give a gf in local. Actually while xdeath itself is mostly Russian tz they have amassed a pretty impressive Eu/us renter crowd who like to PvP so you can find a fight in gem pretty much 24/7.

Also in an experiment the other day I jumped my thanny to the oij gate in bwf for a fight (insurance was expiring). Hostile gang on gate went from 4 to 40 insanely fast as local spiked from 35 to 70 in a matter of a couple of minutes. Will be interesting to see is the response is the same post pheobe, I suspect not as many will be willing to jumpbridge to whore on a thanny kill if they have to wait an hour to jump bridge back.

Mack
October 30 2014, 01:57:50 AM
http://i.imgur.com/5tvjfjM.jpg

Seraph IX Basarab
October 30 2014, 02:50:59 AM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1izuqbPqN1qhwlbx.gif

amirite?

Armyofme
November 3 2014, 07:05:02 AM
Can confirm that this area is the place to be these days. Lots of groups now living in npc sov in geminate, TRI doing their tribute roams, co2 seems more then willing to show up for fights and now Solar have moved into Low sec right next to Great wildlands, so they keep roaming into geminate all the time as well.

Lots of small gangs going pretty much 23/7 in the area and some very fun fights have been had.

Longdrinks
November 10 2014, 07:21:04 PM
russians accidentally dropped sov in 3 systems yesterday so we snatched it up and have made them pay the iron price to get it back.

Yesterday:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=25941113

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbZJ2QsPYlE

Today:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=25948217

QuackBot
November 10 2014, 08:00:11 PM
Two names you need to know, from someone who whelps ships in bwf on a daily basis.

1) Fred Brickhead. Whatever he is flying, it's bait.
2) Serge777, almost always in hurricane. (numbers might be off).

Theese guys seem to be fc's of standing defence fleets and have both lit cynos to kill me.

Russians are pretty chill tho. They do blob like fuck, but they don't smug about it and always give a gf in local. Actually while xdeath itself is mostly Russian tz they have amassed a pretty impressive Eu/us renter crowd who like to PvP so you can find a fight in gem pretty much 24/7.

Also in an experiment the other day I jumped my thanny to the oij gate in bwf for a fight (insurance was expiring). Hostile gang on gate went from 4 to 40 insanely fast as local spiked from 35 to 70 in a matter of a couple of minutes. Will be interesting to see is the response is the same post pheobe, I suspect not as many will be willing to jumpbridge to whore on a thanny kill if they have to wait an hour to jump bridge back.
What about mine: machariel hurricane thrasher maelstrom reaper scimitar no more than that.

Bocephus
November 12 2014, 07:19:42 PM
Apparently Solar is SBUing BWF.

It's happening?

LordsServant
November 12 2014, 10:37:41 PM
Apparently Solar is SBUing BWF.

It's happening?

SBUs got shrekt p. quickly by xdeath + pets tengublob.

It's not happening until caps are involved tbh.

Shinah Myst
November 14 2014, 11:56:43 AM
Things are not looking good for SOLAR it seems. http://killboard.solar-fleet.ru/?op=related&name=1408970

BadassMcKill
November 14 2014, 12:40:12 PM
Its interesting to see 6 gun+6mid Tengus fighting 5 gun+7mid Tengus

Looks like the bombers are what really fucked Solar's day over though

Bocephus
November 14 2014, 08:31:49 PM
Good ol' fight to the death brawl instead of the modern 'OH NO WE ARE LOSING SHIPS DISENGAGE THINK ABOUT THE SRP WALLET' we have become used to.

LordsServant
November 14 2014, 10:50:32 PM
Good ol' fight to the death brawl instead of the modern 'OH NO WE ARE LOSING SHIPS DISENGAGE THINK ABOUT THE SRP WALLET' we have become used to.

Only poors (like CFC, they have ridiculous expenses that spike hard due to how they choose to play the game, and naturally more members to spread the isk to, tho they pretend otherwise) are worried about the SRP wallet. :P

Funny how CFC and N3 were bragging nonstop about the isk they were making for the 1 year or so (maybe a touch more?) they got into renting.

Xdeath and Solar held the drone regions and rented em for so long they literally got sick of the pile of isk and started RMTing the rent itself directly. :P

That should tell you how much isk they have - the old Russian alliances (except RA, one of their leaders RMTed everything and got banned a few times iirc) have more botting/rental isk for SRP than they know what to do with.

There's a reason they don't give any fucks and are pretty much the only people with wallets fat enough to hire PL ever so often. ;)

jonesbones
November 17 2014, 02:38:26 PM
CFC and N3 convert their isk to Capitals/Supers for their members. Hence why RUS has to hire supers and never has them.

When I was in NCdot our corp was giving out a supers every 2-3 weeks. And you could buy them for something like 10b hull.

nonsciolist
November 25 2014, 11:13:50 PM
I moved to fdz at the weekend and it's pretty nice.

I went out for a roam and was being chased by I think a pizza proteus, caracal, taranis and rupture. Taranis caught up with me, killed him, rupture came in for a fight while the other two sat at range? killed the rupture while burning out my t2 rep (I made a poor decision to reload my AAR when I noticed the other two weren't coming in and I was tanking okay, then oh god I'm at 18% structure with 30 seconds to go) and then died a jump or two away from being able to repair my rep to 3 tri, who I might have been able to get away from if I was smart and hadn't mwded in a terrible direction after leaving their orthrus aggressed on the other side.

https://beta.eve-kill.net/related/30002427/201411252200/

https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/42636256/

then I went out again and died to a curse, myrm, caracal and crow because I was half paying attention while travelling and landed in a drag bubble. rip

I'm trying to convince some other sv guys to stick jump clones down here because it's been pretty fun and seems like a nice environment for solo/small gang stuff.

Longdrinks
November 26 2014, 01:27:39 AM
You wanna play with the bull you better be ready for the horns.

Garst Tyrell
November 27 2014, 02:49:22 AM
No.Mercy corp (http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?17970-No-Mercy-Aggressive-Nullsec-PVP) joined Triumvirate alliance shortly before Phoebe hit. Now that we've settled in Obe system at the entrance to Vale and have been fighting CFC for a month now, I think its time to start doing some battle reports again. I have to hand it to CCP, we've had multiple 500 man local fights with minimal TIDI and lag

Situation in the North

For the past month TRI has been fighting BASTION and Circle of Two alliances over valuable moons in the Vale area and been making steady progress. The Phoebe changes have led to a lot of good fights without much risk of massive CFC escalation. TRI recently received a large influx of EU TZ corps which has allowed us to continue to stand on our own and project power forward into Vale for profit and glorious battle

TRI is friendly with Black Legion and Mordus Angels, and we coordinate together for larger fights out of necessity as the CFC has the number advantage by far. Mordus Angels remains in 5ZXX in pure blind to battle SMA and goon prime while Black Legion has returned to K3JR, former home system of my old alliance, to work with Out of Sight. in 6NJ8 to threaten the CFC's flanks.

Our primary opponents are Bastion (BSTN) alliance with I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth (J4LP) based out of TVN- in Vale of the Silent supported by Circle of Two (Co2) living in H-W in Tribute. Rarely will the rest of the CFC care about these guys and come to support them against us, and if they do its usually something lazy like a 100+ man assault frigate fleet that can burn quickly. US TZ northern CFC have deployed forward to QPO system in Deklein to remain in bridge range of Venal to defend against Black Legion. They will claim that they have been successful, when realistically BL and their allies Out of Sight. alliances own pretty much any moon thats worth a damn in venal... of which there are tons. Venal is a very rich region and its been pried away from the CFC one moon at a time. CFC has contented itself with bridging into the d-8/sbl5 pocket close to deklein and contesting the moons there ineffectually without building any real momentum. They're half-assing the "venal purge" by anyone's measure

Naturally CFC demands that BASTN let their own territory burn so that they can blob another handful of pilots into fountain or QPO "the Venal Watchtower" in deklein. Its tough to be a pet when your goon masters couldnt really care either way about your continued existence vOv

The phoebe changes have led to a lot of interesting coordination between coalitions where each alliance has their own sphere of influence and it takes more effort to support their blues. Thats not to say BL cant burn by gate 10-15j from venal to lower vale if needed, but it does add a time factor into planning that has made fights so much more rewarding on a strategic level for myself as an FC.

http://i.imgur.com/zCSyMjX.jpg

26NOV14 - Battle for TVN- Station

BASTN regularly conducts US TZ CTAs to reinforce a handful of TRI towers on valuable moons taken off the CFC when TRI doesnt have numbers to counter. Fortunately the cure for time zone wars is stront timing and these CTAs regularly produce EU TZ timers for us to defend. Today was no different -- TRI had 3x tech moons coming out of RF at roughly the same time in LZ- system. In previous days TRI has pushed forward into TVN, destroying their JB/beacon pos and setting up staging towers.

Receiving intel that the enemy was forming a 120 man armor BALTEC (apocs with tacyons) fleet with capital support, TRI formed a 100man navy apoc fleet of its own with dreadnaught support and staged on our titan.

Seizing the initiative TRI bridged into TVN-, home system of the BASTN fleet, 50km above the station where the enemy was docked. We loaded grid mere seconds before the BASTN fleet undocked and forced them to redock. The BASTN FC now realized that he had waited too long and he was a severe disadvantage. Although we were hoping to get some kills out of the undock confusion during our initial titan bridge, we contented ourselves with using shield triage carriers to safely rep the three lz- towers while the enemy tried to formulate a new plan while dock camped.

BASTN batphoned their goon masters, who eventually deigned to shift a 130 man AF/crucifier gang from its super important mission of reinforcing a small BL tech pos in venal towards Vale. CO2 also supported with a 20 man close range blap dreadnaught gang.

Converging on TVN to support us was a 3-squad PIZZA bomber wing, a MOA inty gang, and towards the end a 40 man BL muninmuninmunin fleet Though our towers were now safe, we stayed to give the enemy time to fight.

BASTN initiated with a mass undock on TVN station, trading apocs for the mobile cyno inhibitor anchored nearby. Once the cynojammer was down, the co2 dreads jumped into local and attempted to engage us. Although normally this would be bad news bears as we were in armor battleships, at this point we were 50km+ from the dreads and free of tackle so we avoided the worst of any dunking. BASTN hugged the station as we aligned off and engaged targets of opportunity. At this point PIZZA began their bombing runs on the undock and left most the enemy battleships in low armor, if not dead. Sadly we were out of range because of the dreadnaught threat and couldnt properly capitalize on this for max flexing on BASTN

During this engagement the CFC assault frig gang attempted to tackle us down but couldnt make any real inroads as we were already out of engagement range of the baltec fleet and dreads. Interestingly CFC used a 20-30 man crucifier wing with tracking disruptors to punish our navpocs, though at this stage in the fight we werent shooting anyway. In a more decisive engagement, those TDs could easily have shifted the balance of power

http://i.imgur.com/YIVqVdy.jpg

TRI was mostly hampered in this fight by a lack of proper warpins and pings being made which kept us locked into a long align instead of allowing us to maneuver against the enemy. By the time BL arrived in their munin gang the co2 caps were exiting siege and either jumping or docking. Attempts to kill the dreads isolated from the main blob failed due to lack of long range tackle.

In the end CFC conceded the field, docking all caps and Baltecs while the AF ran back to Deklein.

Although the fight was not a crushing victory for either side, its significant because this is the first time in weeks that BASTN has fielded large numbers in the EU TZ and may indicate future good fights to come. Its also a good example of the battles we are getting on a near daily basis where multiple fleets on each side attempt to maneuver on each other, with minimal lag or tidi to stop the fun. GF!

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=61933

http://pizza.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=26166251

Caius Sivaris
November 28 2014, 10:24:55 AM
CFC kills loyal titan based on very sketchy evidence.

http://www.themittani.com/news/bl-sympathizer-burned-avatar-down

Then



(7:27:33 PM) directorbot: JUSTICE FOR RAYONAR: When we fuck up, we make it good. Within this last hour a new defector has confirmed that Rayonar was, in fact, innocent. While the evidence we had two days ago made him appear unassailably guilty, this new information has completely exonerated him. We have apologized to him as well as SMA leadership and are transferring him a new Avatar, and welcome him back with open arms.

We don't like ratfucking one of our own based on bad intel. The metagame is ugly and shit happens; in this case we could have tried to be ~prideful~ and act like he was guilty, cover it over, and hope it went away. But he's an innocent man, a loyal fleet commander, and a good dude, and it's on us to make things right - so: formal apologies, his position restored, and making him whole with a new Titan - even after I just wrote a war update insisting that we'd be proven right, we've now been proven wrong, and it's best to own up cleanly.

The real story of the burn was that one of our command-level agents heard a BL leader say "shit, one of our agents burned himself on comms" the moment after Rayonar keyed up mistakenly from his Logi. This had nothing to do with IP data, Digi hiding in bushes, or the like. We now know that there was another BL agent online at the time and that the BL leader mistakenly thought that agent had burned himself when Rayonar keyed up, and now we have the evidence to prove this theory.

*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all at 2014-11-28 03:27:31.143322 EVE, replies are not monitored ***


Some CFC supers pilot are stating they are a bit squimish at the idea of using theirs now....

Frygok
November 28 2014, 11:44:46 AM
http://www.themittani.com/news/justiceforrayonar-rayonar-freed

This is just a hilarious attempt at making it a feel-good story instead. They fucked up, scrambled to sort out the shit they did themselves, and then quickly got a new story on TMC of how good the CFC is towards members they had buried just the day before. There's like zero critical questioning in that article, and has the appropriate amount of ass-kissing of the interviewer. Let's forget they burned him at the stake with nothing but some mumble on voice comm, because we totally gave him a new titan the next day. Let's not challenge them on their overzealous fuckery of a valued member of their cap team. Let's not challenge how they thing he would even want to spy in a subcap fight if he indeed was a high-level spy.

So many critical ways to do that interview, and we end up with asslicking and microphone-holding journalism.

Joshua Foiritain
November 28 2014, 12:09:07 PM
Let's forget they burned him at the stake with nothing but some mumble on voice comm

Isn't this something literally every single high-end alliance/coalition would do though? Keying up on voice comms with eve related chatter thats clearly not meant for your voice comms means hes on two comms, which generally means hes either spying for you or spying for the other side?

Koz Katral
November 28 2014, 12:16:41 PM
- Tengus fighting Tengus
- Has Target Broadcasts up for whoring
- loses track of who he is repping and who he is shooting in the heat of the battle
- is an FC and his instinct is to speak up and reinforce something he believes needs doing
- doesn't even realise he was calling for reps on a BL guy.

Is that so unbelievable? I've been in numerous fleets where someone has called out one name when they clearly meant something or someone completely different.

Joshua Foiritain
November 28 2014, 12:48:19 PM
Haha i went to TMC and read the article. Found these two comments amusing:

Todays article

'' WINET: Not really, as I have said already, Ivory is a valued member of our team and we were never going to let him go without a fight.''

Yesterdays artilce

''WINET: then dug further into our own IT services and thats when we found the nail that closed the lid on Ivorys Coffin''

''WINET: a traitorous little bastard''


Follow up on Mittians comments on Ivory as well

Todays article

''The Mittani: But he's an innocent man, a loyal fleet commander, and a good dude.''

When the story first got out Mittani;s ping about Ivory

''The Mittani: that's because this one wasn't a spy, a savvy agent, but a bitter nerd who was passed up for promotion in SMA's leadership about two weeks ago''

"We've always been at war with Eastasia" comes to mind. :lol:

DaDutchDude
November 28 2014, 05:42:42 PM
The whole story speaks of pretty high paranoia within the CFC. That is probably an understandable and perhaps the only correct attitude they can take as the pressure on their position is mounting, but also one for CFC pilots to keep in mind: best not show any appearance of friendliness with 'enemies' or dissatisfaction with the way things are going in the CFC, you might get hellpurged for it.

The thing I find telling is this quote from today's apology article:

The metagame is ugly and shit happens; in this case we could have tried to be ~prideful~ and act like he was guilty, cover it over, and hope it went away. But he's an innocent man, a loyal fleet commander, and a good dude, and it's on us to make things right
If you read between the lines, the truth is that they only didn't go the "prideful" route because he was a big shot who commands lots of loyalty. They didn't apologize because they wanted to, but because they had to in a time where the pressure is on them and they cannot endure any fractured loyalty issues now.

Would they have apologized when the pressure wasn't on? Would they have apologized if he was just a grunt-level titan owner? I doubt it.

Beware, citizens of the CFC, the illumittani is watching you and distrusting you. You are living in a New Eeden equivalent of the Hollywood blacklist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist) and any even vaguely perceived unacceptable ideas might get you blacklisted, even completely incorrectly as has been proven, and chances of getting off that list are small indeed. Don't offer to titan bridge, they might think you are providing intel to whoever you are bridging to. Don't speak up on comms because it gets you noticed and might have a deeper, malevolent meaning. Don't meet enemies at real-life meets. Drink the CFC cool-aid, bathe in it, and make sure others see you do it so they might trust you. Believe what mittens tells you, and even when you know it to be wrong, never show you doubt him. And if you ever get suspected, start accusing others to divert it. Isn't it wonderful of be in the CFC?

Garst Tyrell
November 29 2014, 06:34:03 PM
I was trying to wait for a big battle before posting another update, but its been blueballs on the CFC front (aside from a small NCDOT welp against southern CFC last night) for the last couple days so here goes anyway...

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BL, PIZZA, and TRI SBU'd systems in the north east friday evening eu tz to coincide with the fountain station timers to try and draw pressure off N3 in the west. CFC pinged to BRING EVERYBODY FOR A "GUARANTEED FIGHT" as a show of force on N3 for the final station timer. Theres probably better updates in that thread, but just know that multiple CFC alliance fleets including the eu tz supercap fleet literally spent hours burning by gate from deklein down to fountain... and then back again after being blueballed. Apparently this was enough to even make the typical CFC autist take notice as pings today are begging people to join with statements like "I promise it wont be like last night!". Seriously.

Fortunately for goons, northern CFC kept a reserve fleet of 140 tengus / 70 logi and shield triage carriers based in QPO Deklein despite fielding 1500+ in fountain. Its a good thing they had more logi in their fleet than we had mains in ours or else pvp might have happened. Par for course for CFC fleet doctrine sadly. This reserve was supported by 110 shield ishtars flown by Circle of Two from Tribute.

TRI provided the main effort for the north in the P3- entrance system into Vale from Obe with a 70+ man fleet using our new Slayer doctrine with capital support. We spent the time purging the system of the last remaining BASTN infrastructure and incapping a few nearby JB POS. In the end PIZZA and BL were unable to produce large enough fleets to make a fight viable against the combined CFC blob slowboating its way across eve.

http://i.imgur.com/nWhUhL6.jpg

So for the next 3 hours as we grinded away, waiting for co2 to man up and come fight us 110 v 70, the cfc tengu force bridged into K3JR (venal, BL home system) from QPO and then slowboated by gate at carrier warp speed to Tribute to kill a BL SBU while being harassed by interdictors bubbles forcing them to rewarp. Theres a lot of 100+au warps in that leg of the journey, hope you had fun cfc! Co2 continued to sit around and do nothing until the tengu fleet finally linked up with them and spent the next hour slowboating down to geminate to kill the PIZZA SBUs in h-5. I think 2 structure killmails is a fair return for a few hours of a 300 man fleet's time, dont you?

The combined fleet finally slowboated from geminate to P3 where they proceeded to kill the 2 systems we SBU'd and get blueballed once again. Afterwards the northern CFC reserve began its long, undoubtedly hour plus journey back to deklein with a few SBU killmails to show for their hours of painful effort. Co2 went home and stood down. GF

Later on that evening as the CFC eu TZ supercap fleet was returning by gate to deklein from fountain, MOA in pure blind managed to bubble and tackle a number of strung out and even autopiloting titans trailing the fleet. No one was in position with numbers to make a good of this sadly so after harassing them, they eventually made it home after 6+ hours of fun gate jumping in supercaps.

tl;dr CFC are shooting themselves in the head sending death blobs by gate across eve only to get blueballed, to the point that even their average member realizes how futile and frustrating that is. Those numbers wont last for long. Defend everything and you defend nothing....

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Earlier in the day TRI was shooting one of the few R64s in Vale when an 80 man northern CFC AF gang appeared to welp on us. Dreads were bubbled on the tower as our support ishtars murderized the AFs on the in gate. We kept our cool heads and safely evacuated all caps as the AF were crushed by the support fleet after warping on the pos. NFI what the goon end game there was. Our losses? 1 interceptor. The remaining 30 AFs rushed to our e-cyno but failed to do anything to our dreads which were mostly in the shields by the time they got there.

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=62150

http://i.imgur.com/YjQsAII.jpg

TRI continues to burn primarily BASTION's infrastructure and moon assets fairly unopposed as their "pvpers" are busy being blueballed in fountain with goon's "guaranteed fights"

QuackBot
November 29 2014, 08:00:15 PM
I was trying to wait for a big battle before posting another update, but its been blueballs on the CFC front (aside from a small NCDOT welp against southern CFC last night) for the last couple days so here goes anyway...

========

BL, PIZZA, and TRI SBU'd systems in the north east friday evening eu tz to coincide with the fountain station timers to try and draw pressure off N3 in the west. CFC pinged to BRING EVERYBODY FOR A "GUARANTEED FIGHT" as a show of force on N3 for the final station timer. Theres probably better updates in that thread, but just know that multiple CFC alliance fleets including the eu tz supercap fleet literally spent hours burning by gate from deklein down to fountain... and then back again after being blueballed. Apparently this was enough to even make the typical CFC autist take notice as pings today are begging people to join with statements like "I promise it wont be like last night!". Seriously.

Fortunately for goons, northern CFC kept a reserve fleet of 140 tengus / 70 logi and shield triage carriers based in QPO Deklein despite fielding 1500+ in fountain. Its a good thing they had more logi in their fleet than we had mains in ours or else pvp might have happened. Par for course for CFC fleet doctrine sadly. This reserve was supported by 110 shield ishtars flown by Circle of Two from Tribute.

TRI provided the main effort for the north in the P3- entrance system into Vale from Obe with a 70+ man fleet using our new Slayer doctrine with capital support. We spent the time purging the system of the last remaining BASTN infrastructure and incapping a few nearby JB POS. In the end PIZZA and BL were unable to produce large enough fleets to make a fight viable against the combined CFC blob slowboating its way across eve.

http://i.imgur.com/nWhUhL6.jpg

So for the next 3 hours as we grinded away, waiting for co2 to man up and come fight us 110 v 70, the cfc tengu force bridged into K3JR (venal, BL home system) from QPO and then slowboated by gate at carrier warp speed to Tribute to kill a BL SBU while being harassed by interdictors bubbles forcing them to rewarp. Theres a lot of 100+au warps in that leg of the journey, hope you had fun cfc! Co2 continued to sit around and do nothing until the tengu fleet finally linked up with them and spent the next hour slowboating down to geminate to kill the PIZZA SBUs in h-5. I think 2 structure killmails is a fair return for a few hours of a 300 man fleet's time, dont you?

The combined fleet finally slowboated from geminate to P3 where they proceeded to kill the 2 systems we SBU'd and get blueballed once again. Afterwards the northern CFC reserve began its long, undoubtedly hour plus journey back to deklein with a few SBU killmails to show for their hours of painful effort. Co2 went home and stood down. GF

Later on that evening as the CFC eu TZ supercap fleet was returning by gate to deklein from fountain, MOA in pure blind managed to bubble and tackle a number of strung out and even autopiloting titans trailing the fleet. No one was in position with numbers to make a good of this sadly so after harassing them, they eventually made it home after 6+ hours of fun gate jumping in supercaps.

tl;dr CFC are shooting themselves in the head sending death blobs by gate across eve only to get blueballed, to the point that even their average member realizes how futile and frustrating that is. Those numbers wont last for long. Defend everything and you defend nothing....

========

Earlier in the day TRI was shooting one of the few R64s in Vale when an 80 man northern CFC AF gang appeared to welp on us. Dreads were bubbled on the tower as our support ishtars murderized the AFs on the in gate. We kept our cool heads and safely evacuated all caps as the AF were crushed by the support fleet after warping on the pos. NFI what the goon end game there was. Our losses? 1 interceptor. The remaining 30 AFs rushed to our e-cyno but failed to do anything to our dreads which were mostly in the shields by the time they got there.

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=62150

http://i.imgur.com/YjQsAII.jpg

TRI continues to burn primarily BASTION's infrastructure and moon assets fairly unopposed as their "pvpers" are busy being blueballed in fountain with goon's "guaranteed fights"
But it shouldnt be to big.

Armyofme
November 29 2014, 09:33:04 PM
Awesome br
God i laughed when thinking of those slow ass caps going gate to gate. Keep up with the br's =)

bundus
November 29 2014, 09:40:17 PM
Awesome br
God i laughed when thinking of those slow ass caps going gate to gate. Keep up with the br's =)

Yes awesome BR about attacking renters and the such.

Those terrible pvpers who can't pvp and outnumber you with alts so you better not fight.

Armyofme
November 29 2014, 10:07:33 PM
Awesome br
God i laughed when thinking of those slow ass caps going gate to gate. Keep up with the br's =)

Yes awesome BR about attacking renters and the such.

Those terrible pvpers who can't pvp and outnumber you with alts so you better not fight.

bitter much?

bundus
November 29 2014, 10:21:28 PM
lol no bitterness just posting from the field with actual facts, you should login for the fountain battle right now, it is getting meaty

DaDutchDude
November 30 2014, 12:09:57 AM
They are attacking space property. If that space property is used by renters, they are not owned by those renters but by the land lord, so in fact they are attacking the land lord. How is that for facts? Don't let that get in the way of you blaming others for misrepresenting facts by misrepresenting them yourself though.

bundus
November 30 2014, 12:20:33 AM
They are attacking space property. If that space property is used by renters, they are not owned by those renters but by the land lord, so in fact they are attacking the land lord. How is that for facts? Don't let that get in the way of you blaming others for misrepresenting facts by misrepresenting them yourself though.

So in that reasoning; when you have an apartment rented off a real estate company, and your couch gets repossessed by a financial institution, it is being taken off the real estate company.

Gotcha.

DaDutchDude
November 30 2014, 02:02:51 AM
They are attacking space property. If that space property is used by renters, they are not owned by those renters but by the land lord, so in fact they are attacking the land lord. How is that for facts? Don't let that get in the way of you blaming others for misrepresenting facts by misrepresenting them yourself though.

So in that reasoning; when you have an apartment rented off a real estate company, and your couch gets repossessed by a financial institution, it is being taken off the real estate company.

Gotcha.

If that couch is part of the property already there and part of what is being rented out, yes. But the couch isn't a good analogy in this case if you are talking about stuff like a POS (to mine a moon) or an iHUB (to hold the sov). It's more akin to a renter putting his own lock on the door of the apartment. Would you then think that the real estate agent wouldn't mind squatters kicking out the renter and moving in because the real estate agency didn't put that lock on the door? The real fight is over the property, not the mechanism providing ownership.

QuackBot
November 30 2014, 04:00:11 AM
lol no bitterness just posting from the field with actual facts, you should login for the fountain battle right now, it is getting meaty
Lol right, because the pc version will not release until end of april. (25.

Longdrinks
December 1 2014, 12:00:39 PM
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/outpost/AP9-LV

taking more hostile station systems then n3, cfc, tri and bl put together.

Seraph IX Basarab
December 2 2014, 06:30:37 PM
http://www.themittani.com/features/tools-trade-slippery-pete

Personally I think this is a nifty little move by CFC using their media to once again try and affect the actual game. Goes with the old saying "If you can't beat an Eve doctrine, write propaganda about how OP it is, start an upvote campaign and see if we can get CCP to nerf it instead."

LeonM
December 2 2014, 06:56:07 PM
What need is there to beat this doctrine exactly, it's unable to achieve any goals except annoying the fuck out of your opponent?

Shinah Myst
December 2 2014, 07:39:17 PM
Are you kidding? Newcomers and/or turboretards can't easily blob to death experienced players using a demanding doctrine. Unfair!

jonesbones
December 2 2014, 08:43:44 PM
If only there were plenty of weapons platforms that could hit past 130km and kill these untanked T3s.

If only.

Baarhyn
December 2 2014, 09:14:53 PM
If only there were plenty of weapons platforms that could hit past 130km and kill these untanked T3s.

If only.
It's time for eagle fleet to soar!!

Armyofme
December 3 2014, 01:28:15 AM
If only there were plenty of weapons platforms that could hit past 130km and kill these untanked T3s.

If only.

Are you mad, they have now finally managed to get everyone into fucking ishtars and you expect their members to train for something else?

Keckers
December 3 2014, 08:16:09 AM
Plus ishtars were an easy sell since they could rat in them

haimee khema
December 3 2014, 02:20:33 PM
If only there were plenty of weapons platforms that could hit past 130km and kill these untanked T3s.

If only.

Are you mad, they have now finally managed to get everyone into fucking ishtars and you expect their members to train for something else?

m8, they've been running caldari doctrines for years. if they can fly ishtars they can fly eagles

Garst Tyrell
December 4 2014, 01:53:07 AM
The Forever War - Update from the northern front #3

Unfortunately with the return of the normal work week, I've missed most the fights in the last few days for the alliance. I'll do my best to collect some battle reports here and put them in context, but sadly I wont be able to go much into the tactics of the fights themselves. I've spent most my time the last few days doing us tz skirmishes and pos work to support the euros :(

Sunday - 30NOV14

Sunday morning Co2 brought a 60 man shield ishtar fleet to Jan (lowsec lonetrek) to begin RFing TRI pos in the system, but were chased off by a 40-man TRI rattlesnake (Slayer) gang. I woke up right as this fight was winding down but it doesnt look like there was much killing-co2 lost a vulture and docked up.

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=62955

TRI immediately reformed and bridged to geminate to support a 100mn AB PIZZA Ishtar fleet in their sov fight against the russian bloc... this one was very rushed didnt go well for us but was a good Slayer test run to identify problems to fix in the future.

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=63179

Naturally as soon as we left Co2's ishtar gang returned to lowsec and began reinforcing TRI poses, probably to bait a fight. They were joined by a 50+man northern CFC poser rattlesnake fleet of their own. Unfortunately we couldnt respond initially as the TRI fleet was camped in a rape caged pos in Geminate while the russians finished off the TCU in the system. When we were able, we burned back and reshipped into navy apocs as our slayer doctrine had just suffered a fair amount of losses.

TRI took the fight in Hakonen, jumping into enemy ishtars at 0km on the gate with CFC snakes supporting from 80 off. This was a fatal decision by the co2 ishtar FC who pretty much threw his fleet away by starting the fight point blank next to navy apocs + triage archons. The snakes were close range fit and also not in optimal positioning. Our only loss was a bhaalgorn that didnt get enough reps before the archons were told to triage. GF

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=63050

We held the field and repped the remaining pos that was put into 50% shields before the fight. We continued with low intensity roaming and pos kills for the rest of the day. PIZZA continued harassing russian sov and eventually took a station! Lol

TRI finished november 2014 with over 6,000 kills including 34 carrier and 6 dreadnaught kills. Not a bad start for up trip up north :)

Monday - 01 DEC 14

Monday saw an attempt by a BASTN armor ishtar gang to reinforce a small TRI tech moon in S-N, but they were countered by a surprise TRI titan bridge which cut their numbers and send them packing back to TVN. Yay AU TZ

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=63421
http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=63432

Tuesday - 02 DEC 14

BASTION RF'd three small technetium POS in NCGR during the US TZ due to their numerical superiority, and as always, the POS exited in euro prime when TRI could properly defend them. I don't know much about this fight other than coming home from work and Wargod explaining that BASTN was just dunked on and literally drowning in his shit in NCGR B)

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=63549

This is the first time we've seen CFC's new domi doctrine jump from fountain to the north in practice, and bastn intends to replace their normal apocs with navpocs/domis in the future. Honestly I dont find anything about CFC domi fits particularly threatening and think its a fail idea, but rumor is tengu SRP money is running low hence the switch

Wednesday - 03DEC14

EDIT: Forgot this one, but apparently we got into a fight over a lowsec pos after downtime and lost a dread to a fleet twice our size. Shucks.

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=63735

TRI has had staging deathstars in BASTION home system of TVN for over a week now, including on their former JB pos. Over the last couple days they finally destroyed them, the first one unopposed monday US TZ by a combined BASTN/J4LP domi fleet with 30+ dread support (main dreads are so 2009)

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=63370

Fortunately the second exited eu TZ wednesday and led to a great fight that quickly escalated with Co2 and the northern CFC moving into blob TRI over TVN. Again I missed this one, but Wargod was kind enough to provide some commentary on the fight on our forums and I will throw some excerpts here. Local was up to 600 during that fight with another CFC hawk blob jumping in as we left the system at the end. CFC: When in doubt, blob out

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=63945

"Bastion formed 100+ domi/Apoc fleet (some triage)
CO2 formed 100+ ishtar fleet.
Goons/RZR/FCON formed 100+ Tengu fleet.
CFC 80 hawks

vs

TRI 100 shield ishtars
PIZZA Bomberwing

Bastion undocks, start shooting tower with Domi/Apoc fleet.
We cyno in. bubble up, get anchored. CO2 land about 50k from cyno. We drop drones start to kill shit. By pure chance i broadcast a huginn as secondary, who turns out to be Gigx. He pretty much gets insta blapped and the CO2 fleet proceeds to panic warp off. Our dictors with next-level pr0ness flowing through their veins get sexy bubbles and we dunk the slow warpers.

With both fleets more or less ready, we warp onto the POS grid, drop drones and start shooting domis, apocs and celestis. A good 1-2mins into the fight the PIZZA first bombing run goes off and drops a number of their battleships into 50% armor. We're happily killing their battleships with around 50% tidi (i think) with minimal losses, keeping them well bubbled. The ishtars end up coming back in but on the opposite side of the Bastion fleet. This only really threatened the dictors and gave us more time to kill Bastion while the Ishtars sorted their life out.... which i don't think they ever really did.

It is around this point the Tengu fleet jumps into local causing more Tidi. Local peaks around 480. We continue to work on the Bastion battleship fleet, while keeping out of range of the CO2 Ishtars. At least 3 Bastion carriers were on grid, of which 1 we ended up killing. For some reason he wasn't important enough to rep with 2 more Archons on grid both IN Triage.... so he died.

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=63864

The Tengu fleet lands at a ping spot but, our Pro bubbles on the Bastion fleet and all over grid give us very nice cover from them landing on us. Meanwhile we're tearing up the Bastion fleet unopposed.
The Tengu fleet ends up getting a good warpin near us from time to time, but pizza bombers cap them out within a minute and force the Tengus away to re-ping.

As the fight goes on and we send Bastion to the dumpster (TVN station also known as dumpster HQ) we incur a small number of losses but most of them disctors. It is at this point we drift in range of the CO2 ishtars to begin engaging them properly. However, with no dictors remaining we are unable to keep the Tengu fleet away from pinging onto us and are forced to seek shelter inside the FISTN tower. At this point the tower is entering structure.

All exit gates were bubbled with light tackle covering them, however within 1 minute of us taking cover inside the shield, we set dest to Obe, (i have my links already on the exit gate) We align to gate. I send Eric (our last dictor) to the gate. Just before he lands I fleet warp us, Erpic puts a bubble up. We all land in a previously anchored bubbled but Goons who follow us land even further away (in Erics bubble). Plus the Tengus are all AB fit so we pretty much get away."

Thanks Wargod! The bait tower died but GFs were had

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-9GiGJXgds#t=40

Is a nice video from the enemy's perspective, at 2:30 you can see the effects the bombing runs had on the enemy fleet

=======================

BASTN is back to Vale from fountain with the explicit purpose of fighting TRI and conducting secret santa operations to prevent EVE spaceship nerd mass suicides

More info and boredom here: http://www.twitch.tv/thebastionalliance/b/595389937

Bocephus
December 4 2014, 02:17:15 PM
http://www.themittani.com/features/tools-trade-slippery-pete

Personally I think this is a nifty little move by CFC using their media to once again try and affect the actual game. Goes with the old saying "If you can't beat an Eve doctrine, write propaganda about how OP it is, start an upvote campaign and see if we can get CCP to nerf it instead."

Nothing new there.

The part about having spies turn of ECCM is bogus, they use virtue probers. We scan our own dudes just for that, if a hit comes up for probeable you just use the ID to figure out who it was when you are offgrid.

Nerf virtues though, zero risk :)

Naoru
December 5 2014, 02:05:19 AM
http://www.themittani.com/features/tools-trade-slippery-pete

Personally I think this is a nifty little move by CFC using their media to once again try and affect the actual game. Goes with the old saying "If you can't beat an Eve doctrine, write propaganda about how OP it is, start an upvote campaign and see if we can get CCP to nerf it instead."

Nothing new there.

The part about having spies turn of ECCM is bogus, they use virtue probers. We scan our own dudes just for that, if a hit comes up for probeable you just use the ID to figure out who it was when you are offgrid.

Nerf virtues though, zero risk :)

Try jumping a 2.3 bil virtue pod in a tech 3 into a large inty gate camp.....pray for no module lag lol.

Buff Fresh
December 6 2014, 05:13:12 PM
Monday - 01 DEC 14

Monday saw an attempt by a BASTN armor ishtar gang to reinforce a small TRI tech moon in S-N, but they were countered by a surprise TRI titan bridge which cut their numbers and send them packing back to TVN. Yay AU TZ

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=63421
http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=63432



Please tell us more about how you "countered by a surprise" when I was clearly calling you out for a fight and you only decided to drop when we were leaving....
And Don't Forget the BR of our Battle Today when we went at it again and your FC/Anchor warp'd out and left his fleet to die when he started to die :P

Must "Tri" Harder next time!

Armyofme
December 6 2014, 07:32:22 PM
Monday - 01 DEC 14

Monday saw an attempt by a BASTN armor ishtar gang to reinforce a small TRI tech moon in S-N, but they were countered by a surprise TRI titan bridge which cut their numbers and send them packing back to TVN. Yay AU TZ

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=63421
http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=63432



Please tell us more about how you "countered by a surprise" when I was clearly calling you out for a fight and you only decided to drop when we were leaving....
And Don't Forget the BR of our Battle Today when we went at it again and your FC/Anchor warp'd out and left his fleet to die when he started to die :P

Must "Tri" Harder next time!

You registerd just to bash a Garst post? Tri must really have gotten under your skin.

QuackBot
December 6 2014, 08:00:14 PM
Please tell us more about how you "countered by a surprise" when I was clearly calling you out for a fight and you only decided to drop when we were leaving....
And Don't Forget the BR of our Battle Today when we went at it again and your FC/Anchor warp'd out and left his fleet to die when he started to die :P

Must "Tri" Harder next time!
Please tell me more.

Keckers
December 6 2014, 08:48:00 PM
Oh man, Buff Fresh on FHC.

Dis gunna be gud.

Armyofme
December 6 2014, 09:40:51 PM
Oh man, Buff Fresh on FHC.

Dis gunna be gud.

well its gonna be something....

Evil Synns
December 6 2014, 09:46:16 PM
And people said EVE was going to die after patch - Wars on Forums now!!! EVE IS BACK!

Keckers
December 6 2014, 09:55:52 PM
Oh man, Buff Fresh on FHC.

Dis gunna be gud.

well its gonna be something....

I can only hope he will be as insufferable as he was on kugu.

Buff Fresh
December 6 2014, 10:45:46 PM
https://zkillboard.com/br/17479/
#Rekt
The REKT Checklist
☑ REKT
☑ REKTangle
☑ SHREKT
☑ REKT-it Ralph
☑ Total REKTall
☑ The Lord of the REKT
☑ The Usual SusREKTs
☑ North by NorthREKT
☑ REKT to the Future
☑ Once Upon a Time in the REKT
☑ The Good, the Bad, and the REKT
Please advise Garst Tyrell

Keckers
December 6 2014, 10:49:38 PM
Dank meme

Reppyk
December 6 2014, 11:30:46 PM
Knock knock !
Who's there ?
Mr Stereotype !

:obama:

Aliventi
December 6 2014, 11:58:09 PM
https://zkillboard.com/br/17479/
#Rekt
The REKT Checklist
☑ REKT
☑ REKTangle
☑ SHREKT
☑ REKT-it Ralph
☑ Total REKTall
☑ The Lord of the REKT
☑ The Usual SusREKTs
☑ North by NorthREKT
☑ REKT to the Future
☑ Once Upon a Time in the REKT
☑ The Good, the Bad, and the REKT
Please advise Garst Tyrell
Team A (438 involved)
Team B (131 involved)
Hey, If you can't win normally then blob the shit out of them.

vDJ
December 7 2014, 12:33:31 AM
https://zkillboard.com/br/17479/
#Rekt
The REKT Checklist
☑ REKT
☑ REKTangle
☑ SHREKT
☑ REKT-it Ralph
☑ Total REKTall
☑ The Lord of the REKT
☑ The Usual SusREKTs
☑ North by NorthREKT
☑ REKT to the Future
☑ Once Upon a Time in the REKT
☑ The Good, the Bad, and the REKT
Please advise Garst Tyrell

>no tyranosaurus rekt

terrible

Armyofme
December 7 2014, 12:48:42 AM
Oh man, Buff Fresh on FHC.

Dis gunna be gud.

well its gonna be something....

I can only hope he will be as insufferable as he was on kugu.

I only pray we have better mods then kugu had :D

Ivy_Lash
December 7 2014, 06:19:21 AM
The man is already in violation of the forum RuLeS - paging the Cue1 to this thread. :psyblown:

Buff Fresh
December 7 2014, 10:12:14 AM
The man is already in violation of the forum RuLeS - paging the Cue1 to this thread. :psyblown:

Rules are meant to be broken snitch

Keckers
December 7 2014, 10:26:42 AM
I'm not a fan of those rattlesnake fits.

Seraph IX Basarab
December 7 2014, 10:32:16 AM
Do we have a tally of who's winning this little scuffle up north?

Keckers
December 7 2014, 10:36:23 AM
It depends how successful BL are at holding onto their moons, since that's all they've really got to lose.

Edit: Are those long range dreads dumpstering the snakes?

Smarnca
December 7 2014, 11:25:29 AM
https://zkillboard.com/br/17479/
#Rekt
The REKT Checklist
☑ REKT
☑ REKTangle
☑ SHREKT
☑ REKT-it Ralph
☑ Total REKTall
☑ The Lord of the REKT
☑ The Usual SusREKTs
☑ North by NorthREKT
☑ REKT to the Future
☑ Once Upon a Time in the REKT
☑ The Good, the Bad, and the REKT
Please advise Garst Tyrell

WOW

are you really proud of this? You blobed the fuck out of them. Fucking goons just die

Evil Synns
December 7 2014, 01:21:53 PM
I'm sure there will be an official write up, but last night was fun.. We were in low sec Factional War zone, killing C02 Carriers - no idea where they were going, guess they were looking for someone they could beat (factional warfare peeps). So we chased after them - old school - Battleships through gate.

We rushed back (after snuff dropped in) - haven't checked low sec page, there might be something there about that. And really the Slayers were doing awesome. So it was slayers against what we expected was BS and Carriers/Dreads from Bastion/Co2 and goon harpies... But they had more - no problem there, we can't complain , although we wouldn't boast about 4 v 1 odds and winning, we like the 1 v 4 odds and winning.

Slayers were awesome, but against sooo many hawks who did nothing but web us, we couldn't get our of range of their dreads... the cyno jammer came up just too late, although with their numbers wouldn't have survived long anyway... Our intel was bad, but it was a good fight and only when the supers arrived did we give up.... All over moons.. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT! Keep paying that Sov. Bill !

Keckers
December 7 2014, 01:57:03 PM
I really don't understand why you don't fit MJDs

Evil Synns
December 7 2014, 02:06:00 PM
I really don't understand why you don't fit MJDs

We have many fits for trisnakes/slayers - alas in hind sight I'm sure we would have done many things differently. But with hind sight eve would be a shit game!

TheDemonLord
December 7 2014, 10:44:39 PM
Nulli uses the same fit, the only difference it the cap booster is an extra LSE for more tank, we really just swap out the MWD for the MJD just because it makes more sense. Also we use Golems for drone assign, but anyways you mostly need shield triage for reps on a rattlesnake fleet but if you use your MWD you get bombed (thanks to your now huge sig), use your MJD and you're stuck with a cool down timer until you can use it again and your triage is also stuckhttp://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20386777 as what happened here. And ishtars are better since they do more DPS and are more mobile http://stainwagon.abinet.ru/battle/r170224/ which is retarded since a rattlesnake costs 500 mil and an ishtar costs 250 mil.

Shinah Myst
December 8 2014, 10:42:39 AM
I really don't understand why you don't fit MJDs
Obviously because we can't anchor with MJD!

TheDemonLord
December 8 2014, 12:18:42 PM
I really don't understand why you don't fit MJDs
Obviously because we can't anchor with MJD!

>anchoring in a battleship.

Mikokoel
December 8 2014, 01:12:46 PM
I really don't understand why you don't fit MJDs
Obviously because we can't anchor with MJD!

>anchoring in a battleship.

>anchoring

Smarnca
December 8 2014, 01:49:59 PM
I really don't understand why you don't fit MJDs
Obviously because we can't anchor with MJD!

>anchoring in a battleship.

>anchoring

..onliné

TheDemonLord
December 8 2014, 03:35:27 PM
WOW

are you really proud of this? You blobed the fuck out of them. Fucking goons just die

That's the problem with having the biggest coalition on the game, you get a little bit of content and everyone wants a piece of the pie.

Mordax
December 8 2014, 09:58:10 PM
Paging Cue1 to the thread, Cue1 to the thread.

Garst Tyrell
December 8 2014, 11:20:54 PM
TRI had a pretty eventful weekend including a big Saturday which resulted in some fun lowsec fights before culminating in the untimely nullsec death of our first Slayer fleet in combat to a goon dunk.

LOWSEC: Heydieles Round 1

Co2 was reported traveling with two archons by gate to lowsec from their sov in Tribute. Our scouts reported they crossed over into the caldari fw zone and linked up with a 40man CO2/Ganor Inc armor BS fleet to obviously bait a fight with lowsec groups. We decided to pursue in our Slayer fleet comp (taking 1 cruise missile off for a heavy neut on each for the carriers) and bridged to Asakai. After a fair bit of maneuvering to sneak up on them, they docked in station in Heydelies and we proceeded to send a bait group out as we hoped they were taking a break and not giving up already. Eventually they undocked and warped to Old Man Star, where our bait group with the dual point hictor tackled both carriers after they exited a long warp and forced the fight at 0 on OMS.

Both co2 carriers triaged but were unable to maintain reps on either themselves or their fleet under sustained Slayer alpha. TRI's only losses were a bassi and snake that landed on grid before we could properly get the fleet in position and the rep chain going.

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=64712

LOWSEC: Heydieles Round 2

Immediately leaving the field to Abune gate, SNUFF sprang a titan bridge trap with navpocs and archons on the in gate in Abune. I called to reapproach and we jumped back into Heydielies to take the fight. Our scouts reported a number of SNUFF dreadnaughts undocked in Sujarento so my main priority was to keep the fleet coherent and moving away from the Abune gate before the Snuff fleet could follow and web us down. We pulled range out to 100 as SNUFF turtled on the Abune gate at 0 with a number of pantheon triage archons.

Both fleets maintained a stable position throughout the fight, but only the snakes could put out reliable dps and alpha at long range resulting in a handful of kills under triage reps, a triage archon burned, and multiple hostiles forced to deaggroe and jump the gate to safety. SNUFF declined to commit their blap dreads to the fight after they realized they wouldnt be able to control range against MWD battleships (1km/s before overheat) without webs. After their ships began to die under reps, they jumped the gate and started traveling towards Sujarento by gate with the archons.

TRI consolidated and burned after them, tackling two more triage archons on the gate with a stiletto before getting the rest of the fleet in as the SNUFF gang warped off and left them to die. Seconds after tackling the archons someone in the fleet shouted that their lowsec supercap pilot watchlist just lit up like a christmas tree and we once again pulled range expecting an escalation to save the honor of these archons. None came and the archons died lonely and unsupported. At this point we were running out of time to spend in lowsec before our nullsec CTAs and we burned for home. This lack of preparation time would have ramifications for TRI later on that night.

SNUFF's numbers were about half the size of our fleet, however don't pity them too much: they bridged on us first and had blap dreads ready to go to volley battleships thinking wed be easy prey. We werent. GF

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=64710

Total tally for our lowsec visit: 5x triage carriers killed and a good number of faction/t1 battleships

================

The "battle" of S-NJBB, or how I learned to stop worrying and love the blob

The Setup

85 TRI Slayers
21 PIZZA Bombers
30 MOA Torp Bombers (much later on)

vs

2 Titans
32 Dreads
10 Carriers
75 Battleships
150 AFs/Frigs
More Random ships

TRI prepared a routine POS save on a technetium moon in S-NJBB, Vale of the Silent, as part of our ongoing campaign against the CFC local alliances. Since BASTN needed a morale boost and lack competent FCs, DBRB from goons was advertised as "special guest FC!" for BASTN for the night's activities. While TRI was having fun in lowsec, CFC was assembling the banners and laying plans for what turned out to be a very successful trap. We asked PIZZA bros to provide bombers in system to help out TRI, and they agreed. <3 PIZZA

Let slip the dogs of war

DBRB's 100-man boot domi/3 triage carrier fleet undocked from TVN and bridged onto our pos 30 mins early, spreading out to minimize damage by PIZZA bombers in system. As always we have to bring our capitals from lowsec into nullsec by gate, which means our caps are always scouted before we can bring them in jump range of the enemy. At this point 40 Co2 jump cloned from their home system to a nearby station, undocked t1 frigate trash and joined the CFC AF blob already en route.

Missing our step off time, the TRI Slayer fleet warped to optimals on the bait domi gang right as the POS exploded. TRI cynos opened at range and triage carriers supported by longer range (100km+) dreads entered to support our fleet. Shortly thereafter the frigates entered system and began tackling our dreads and mass-scrambling half the rattlesnake fleet. Now fighting 300+ to 85 ships on field, TRI was committed and continued brawling down the enemy battleships without losing much in return.

~~escalate~~

Euro goons executed a well planned jump clone from fountain to Tribute at the last minute and picked up their pre-staged dreads from the launch of Phoebe which had been gathering dust in station. Shortly after jump cloning the fleet undocked and dropped 40+ capitals, killing TRI capitals (one of the two triage carriers managed to e-cyno out) and rattlesnakes. Goons executed their elite pvp skills by F1ing to volley as many slayers as possible, as fast as possible. Eventually the luckier half of our battleship fleet managed to out range the dreads but had no hope of breaking tackle and died almost to a ship. On our way out we attempted to brawl down a lonely GOON phoenix but our dps was dropping too rapidly to push him past 30% shield tank by this point of the fight. A handful of TRI including myself eventually broke tackle and warped off field. We declined to reform and allowed our follow-on targets for the night to get repped.

Musings

In the end the word "dunk" gets thrown around way too much in EVE right now for its own good, but for whats it worth, TRI did get dunked hard by a massive blob with cap superiority and no risk of counter-drop. Although some tactical decisions such as better use of cyno inhibs and defensive bubbling might have made for a tighter fleet, the battle was decided hours before it even began by both side's FC teams relative success and failure to plan accordingly for the fight. For my part I spent more time treating this as a routine fight despite indications to the opposite (such as DBRB as "guest FC") and having fun creating pvp content in lowsec than properly preparing for this fight or coordinating with potential allies. CFC on the other hand was begging people to join fleet for hours before hand, formed long before us, got in system before us, and used our desire for a fun fight to give us rope to hang ourselves. CFC fights are only ever fun for the autists in the CFC, and I won't forget that again.

About the rattlesnake fits, theyre fit the way they are for very specific reasons. MJDs wouldnt have accomplished anything in this fight. The only solution to beating the odds in this fight would have been to blueball, no tweaks to the fit by the armchair generals on the forums who dont know TRI's tactics with them would have changed that. I standby the slayer doctrine as, if you look at the battle timeline, we pretty much lost nothing until the dreads came in and then almost every single rattlesnake was killed by the dreads, not the enemy subcaps fleet.

Normally I don't like voice comms being posted in TRI videos or bringing individual FCs up in battle reports but the cats of the bag, so enjoy the following videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcmNMd5UArE (recommended watching, side by side comparison of CFC and TRI POV with DBRB and Garst voice comms juxtaposed)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgVD70x-ASs&feature=youtu.be (closeup of the TRI perspective of the fight, with voice comms removed)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG9Hl5TXZKo (CFC smug video from dread hotdrop's perspective, no voice comms)

http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=260&b=6275475&e=45&t=beqq Battle Report



The Forever War continues...

Garst Tyrell
December 8 2014, 11:53:58 PM
Sunday 07DEC14

TRI made a brief foray into BWF today with 50 shield ishtars to assist SOLAR and BL against XIX over various sov timers. We arrived at range on the Oijanen gate in time to snipe a few enemies and help nuke a hero shield thanatos that warped in long after the fleet he was planning to support had left the gate. Derp. BL reported good results with damp tengus vs the XIX tengus.

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=65017

Meanwhile as 800 tengus were tenguing eachother in BWF, a separate 100 CFC tengus undocked in QPO in deklein to do tengu things too. Being in this 1100 man tengu filled local really makes me wish tengus arent a thing anymore, and thats a change long overdue. On the plus side tengus have pretty much spiked in price in the last month since Phoebe and rumors of CFC SRP being hit harder than expected is what encouraged them to start switching to garbage boot domis

=====

Later that day friendly neighborhood pirates requested TRI's assistance in outer region through a frig only wormhole to kill two nyxes assigning fighters to a gate camp. TRI agreed to help before realizing the only frigates we owned as an alliance were pretty much sabres lol

A short hauler run to jita later, we undocked with 40 HICs (bubbles reduce mass to go through the frig wormhole) and random kitchen sink torp bombers and frigs.

Our scouts reported the nyxes left the edge of their deathstar and warped to a safe and cloaked, so hope died.... until both nyxes disconnected with 5 mins of aggroe from their assisted fighters killing a frigate on the gate :DDDD

Probes were dropped, one nyx was located and Yardy Yarr Yarr managed to drop a couple morii to shit on this failfit nyx after we aggroed it. He logged back in just in time to watch his ship pop. Sadly no one probed the other nyx out in time?? vOv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBVnzZoGjlA

http://www.triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=65093

============

A lowsec BASTN large pos on a tech moon exited RF near our home system and TRI formed to kill it. Co2 moved to defend it with a 50 man ishtar/munin gang while BASTN brought 55 cerb/logi to defend.

As TRI is not a very strong us tz alliance, we formed 20 dudebros in navpocs with double triage archon support and went in on the enemy tower. The cerbs sat on the top gun stack while Co2 sat on the bottom. Our warpin took us to 0 on the co2 fleet and we managed to dump a few ishtars and logi before both fleets promptly warped off their own pos and flew home, giving up. "GF" 100 v ~20 We shot the tower for a bit and brought dreads in to seal the deal after we decided we werent about to get dropped in some epic cfc ninja titan op.

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=65104

Smarnca
December 9 2014, 09:26:18 AM
So it looks like Tri is actually doing stuff now. When I was in V0LTA they were in curse and it was terrible

Evil Synns
December 9 2014, 09:45:07 AM
A little bit of sweet revenge last night.. Including (we are told) an emo rage quit by the CFC FC, then goons left....when one bastion Carrier went into triage on the station to rep the station services while the rest of the CFC number were shooting the POS we just put up. So we went to station, killed him while CFC nav poc were bubbling their own fleet to stop bombing runs... MUCH FUN WAS HAD!

http://triumvirate-alliance.net/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=65362

As per what is normal, Bastion stayed docked until CO2 arrived, and then both got owned until Goon npocs arrived and the local count was way beyond our favour. .

Keckers
December 9 2014, 12:40:25 PM
What happened to the tengu brawls we were seeing a couple of weeks ago?

jonesbones
December 9 2014, 01:09:06 PM
Skillpoints bro. Skillpoints happened.

Artjay
December 9 2014, 01:20:40 PM
Good BR's Garst. Thanks for helping us with that Nyx :)

The nyxes actually cloaked about 10-15k off the pos, they didn't warp to a safe and then cloak. My alt had gone back to base to fit a cyno to drop the dreads and when i got back on grid with the pos and asked where the nyxes went i was told they wapred to a safe and cloaked. Then suddenly i saw them both decloak at the spot they were earlier and nosedive into what looked like an e-warp so I checked local and sure enough they just logged off with agrro from killing one of your bombers while not actually in the FF of the pos (like they claim on en24). I knew then we had them in the bag and spammed my combat probes, got warp-in for my ceptor who re-aggored. and lit cyno the second tri got tackle with hics. I was JUST about to spam warp for our ceptor to grab the other nyx when tri bubbled me and i learnt that you can't fleet warp from within a bubble. Oh well, it was sweet sweet revenge for them dunking us about an hour before with the super fighters and we really appreciated the assistance.

Pheobe is awesome, looking forward to publishing my diary form the last week when our little excursion is over!

Garst Tyrell
December 9 2014, 01:23:16 PM
So it looks like Tri is actually doing stuff now. When I was in V0LTA they were in curse and it was terrible

to be fair a couple months ago when TRI was in curse Wargod was playing archage and I hadnt joined yet :p

Theres also been a number of new corps that have joined about the same time nomercy did

Garst Tyrell
December 13 2014, 03:18:43 PM
Just a quick update.

Co2 moved into TVN with BSTN and J4LP to maximize blobbing ability

N3 has abruptly given up on doing anything in fountain, so without any western pressure its left TRI and BL high and dry. So BL deployed down south to Catch to take a break

Therefore the CFC that were fighting out west in the fountain or in venal now have nothing to do except blob TRI and then smack in local to ~crush our morale~

Theres been some decent-ish fights against the blob lately, mainly consisting of TRI incapping services on TVN station until a GOON FC can wrangle enough pets into fleet to drop 300 tengus on us after boot domis kept failing vs ishtars somehow. Yesterday TRI managed to gank 3 carriers in a row by fleet warping them off the undock (lol) but left when goons showed up to save their pets with a token beam navpoc fleet

Every timer results in a CFC formup of 3-4x TRI numbers, usually in flavor of the month tengu spam with cap support so goons are in their full deny-all-fun mode. Most of the nullsec moons we had taken have been killed already

Oh no I'm watching our morale shatterrrinngggg asss II typeeee thisssss, CFC.... too... powerful!

I wish I had more news of fights to give you but, Phoebe failed to break up coalitions so its just one smug blob after another. vOv

Armyofme
December 13 2014, 04:37:49 PM
Well that sucks, the tri br's was the only thing keeping this thread going.

Keckers
December 14 2014, 12:16:51 AM
I'm guessing pressure form stainwagon forced Nulli to redeploy to defend money making assets. Or maybe they got bored/paid off.

Dexter
December 14 2014, 12:48:35 AM
Just a quick update.

[Pets / Blob Narrative]

....Phoebe failed to break up coalitions so its just one smug blob after another. vOv

If you thought shooting some Tech moons in Vale would bring about the end of the CFC, then I am sorry to disappoint you. Good luck with your next space adventure.

Armyofme
December 14 2014, 04:43:54 AM
Just a quick update.

[Pets / Blob Narrative]

....Phoebe failed to break up coalitions so its just one smug blob after another. vOv

If you thought shooting some Tech moons in Vale would bring about the end of the CFC, then I am sorry to disappoint you. Good luck with your next space adventure.

Go back to lurking brah

Garst Tyrell
December 14 2014, 01:31:31 PM
Just a quick update.

[Pets / Blob Narrative]

....Phoebe failed to break up coalitions so its just one smug blob after another. vOv

If you thought shooting some Tech moons in Vale would bring about the end of the CFC, then I am sorry to disappoint you. Good luck with your next space adventure.

Good luck with your autism, some day they may find a cure. never dont not believe! Enjoy your wasteland devoid of content that you pay $15x number of accounts to enjoy

Longdrinks
December 14 2014, 01:49:10 PM
pizza has been focusing more on honorable 1v1s in thera atm, but we still find time for some fights against xxdeath and friends this weekend:

http://pizza.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=26428051 They had superior numbers but we didnt take any losses :smug:

http://pizza.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=26385561
http://pizza.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=26405858 we still own ap9 station and its turning into a endless supply of content as the red try to take it back. Also very useful for cheap repairs and easy jumpclone creations for us and our blues. Mentioned by ELO-san here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIBvfXxVItM&feature=youtu.be

Edit: one more just after i made post: http://pizza.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=26430203 How emberassing

Armyofme
December 14 2014, 03:08:36 PM
Just a quick update.

[Pets / Blob Narrative]

....Phoebe failed to break up coalitions so its just one smug blob after another. vOv

If you thought shooting some Tech moons in Vale would bring about the end of the CFC, then I am sorry to disappoint you. Good luck with your next space adventure.

How does it feel to be so shitty that goons and co must come hold your hands all the time, just so you can keep your moons from a low sec alliance?

Mordax
December 14 2014, 09:37:16 PM
Just a quick update.

[Pets / Blob Narrative]

....Phoebe failed to break up coalitions so its just one smug blob after another. vOv

If you thought shooting some Tech moons in Vale would bring about the end of the CFC, then I am sorry to disappoint you. Good luck with your next space adventure.

How does it feel to be so shitty that goons and co must come hold your hands all the time, just so you can keep your moons from a low sec alliance?

How does it feel to be you?

TheDemonLord
December 15 2014, 01:23:31 PM
I'm guessing pressure form stainwagon forced Nulli to redeploy to defend money making assets. Or maybe they got bored/paid off.

Actually yeah that's exactly what's going on down south. S2N has set jump clones in Esoteria and Tene, we also have 3 other N3 alliances deploying to Eso moving from the southeast to secure what will be our new home for a while.
And to lose rattlesnakes so our SRP team can become even more alcoholics than they are.

Lucia Denniard
December 27 2014, 05:39:50 AM
Crossposting from the r/eve thread (http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2qig2r/pizzabl_vs_russian_menace_capital_brawl_in_ap9/).

https://beta.eve-kill.net/br/408/

Quick BR:

XIX had been hitting all of our sov over christmas, aiming to catch us while people were away seeing relatives and the like, we time our sov for USTZ as it's their weakest timezone.

AP9's ihub was coming out of shield reinforce at 0415 today, we knew XIX had a formup posted for 0330, and saw that BWF local was at 70.

We pinged Elo and asked for some backup, and once he returned from being afk in his living room he formed up a 50man tengu fleet. The tengus had to burn 16j across Vale to get to us, and were going to arrive late.

Elo told us to go in with RR chimeras on the hub and buy some time, we formed 7 maxtank chimeras, about 20 tackle and 4 dreads for the inevitable escalation.

As BL are 2j from the bridge titan we warp chimeras onto the hub, chain up and start repping it, XIX decloak a falcon and drop their 50man ishtar fleet onto the hub at 0 with 6 dreads.

We overheat the tank on our chimeras and slowly lose 2.

BL arrive on the bridge titan and bridge into the system with their 50man tengu fleet, we jump in our dreads, one titan, then the bridge titan.
We slowly lose 4 more chimeras and one dread while we kill their dreads, with the tengu fleet chasing down the ishtars and destroying 90% of the ishtar fleet.

Field was held, ihub was repped, SBUs were destroyed, made about 6b loot to fund the chimera SRP.

jonesbones
December 27 2014, 05:48:31 AM
+rep for Chimera masterrace.

Artjay
December 27 2014, 06:52:07 AM
Awesome job Pizza! I was nervous that the Russians would do a big push over Christmas as they usually do to dislodge us from our little outpost in outer passage while we were all getting fat on minced pies and red wine, but their efforts amounted to a 5-6 hour Christmas day op that delayed our attack on another system by 1 day and rf a couple of small towers, they really seem to be screwing up...

Smarnca
December 27 2014, 11:43:37 AM
How did 7 chimeras not tank that?

QuackBot
December 27 2014, 12:00:13 PM
What happened to the tengu brawls we were seeing a couple of weeks ago?
Couple weeks and i'll actually be able to screen them?

Lucia Denniard
December 27 2014, 03:35:13 PM
How did 7 chimeras not tank that?

Each other chimera has 2 reps on the primary, giving it about 7k extra tank with heat, 6 other chimeras, 42k tank, they dropped 5 dreads (10k dps * 5) and 30 ishtars (600dps * 30), incoming dps was around 68k so we died horribly.

We really should've had CDFEs, it might've saved an extra chimera or two in time, but we're awful at capital ships and had drone durability rigs to save our geckos.

Smarnca
December 28 2014, 11:09:48 AM
How did 7 chimeras not tank that?

Each other chimera has 2 reps on the primary, giving it about 7k extra tank with heat, 6 other chimeras, 42k tank, they dropped 5 dreads (10k dps * 5) and 30 ishtars (600dps * 30), incoming dps was around 68k so we died horribly.

We really should've had CDFEs, it might've saved an extra chimera or two in time, but we're awful at capital ships and had drone durability rigs to save our geckos.

how about 3 reps? and no drone shite for whoring?


nvm nullsec people will never get there

Longdrinks
December 28 2014, 11:36:22 AM
Pretty rude m8

LordsServant
December 30 2014, 07:22:11 PM
nvm nullsec people will never get there

Pretty much sums it up m8.

Also, this also sums it up for me:
http://failheap-challenge.com/image.php?u=50230&dateline=1408531115

Garst Tyrell
December 30 2014, 11:07:16 PM
30 DEC 14

TRI/BL joint fleet + SOLAR + PIZZA formed today to attack the RK0N station (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/4K0N-J) timer defended by XIX and friends

Although we missed the station timer and SBUs, XIX wanted to fight so we jumped in as a group into this dead end cynojammed system with the russian bloc already set up on their optimals at range from the in-gate

XIX 120 Rail Tengu + 30 Logi + 50 Support

vs

100 TRI/BL Ishtar fleet + 65 SOLAR Tengu Fleet + 40 PIZZA Bombers/reships

SOLAR and TRI/BL decloaked at the same time on the jump in and started engaging tengus as the rus logi was staged 130 from the gate, out of our sentry range. This jump in was synchronized with PIZZA bombing runs which resulted in minimal losses from our side, mainly a few scimitars in exchange for a number of tengus that didnt pull reps. XIX immediately began aligning straight away from the gate, pulling us off our initial sentry drop.

The battle then turned into maneuver warfare with all 3 fleets burning after each other and bouncing pings or wrecks to get in optimals as XIX aligned off. TRI/BL ishtars were forced to twice deploy new stacks of bouncer2s as we flanked the XIX logi and burned through a significant portion of the 30 XIX logistics with SOLAR's support. We then returned to primarying tengus which were dieing very quickly; most didnt pull reps due to the split dps from bombers and 2 friendly fleets calling their own targets. Lone XIX bombers attempted to regularly void bomb our fleet to harass us during most of this first phase.

The first round of the battle ended when XIX finished their align and warped to an ongrid ping below the battle to regroup. TRI/BL used these precious seconds to recover as many sentries as we could as we had ran out. Much of the first fight was a struggle to keep our drones in range of the enemy fleet.

A few moments later TRI/BL initiated round two by warping to the XIX ping at optimals, deploying our recovered sentries, and reintroducing XIX to the murderzone. SOLAR quickly joined in and we engaged in a repeat of the first phase with XIX aligning away from our fleets as we tried to maneuver on them. Once again XIX broke contact after suffering a fair amount of losses and warped to a new on-grid ping. TRI/BL warped down to the gate at 0 to recover our drones from the initial jump into system, which slightly scattered our fleet.

XIX again brought the fight, warping to 0 on our gate and aggressing the TRI/BL fleet. SOLAR by this time had jumped through to prevent them from running and reapproached the gate. TRI/BL pulled range from the enemy fleet and brawled until SOLAR saw that XIX was too far from the gate to crossjump and jumped back in to add dps.

Seeing the battle was lost, XIX finally abandoned the field to a safepos while SOLAR and TRI/BL killed straggler tengus and looted the field.

No TIDI, no lag, all in all a very fun fight I feel for both sides. Props to XIX for fighting as long as they did despite their reps obviously not holding for most the fight.

http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=2495&b=6309724&e=150&t=wLUPQPk&r=1

A FRAPS will probably appear in the future, and should be a good watch as it was a solid fight, fast paced and brutal

Longdrinks
January 1 2015, 08:45:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFoiHgVi2ls
View from one of our dudes if you wanna see what its like void bombin em :-)
Pretty fun role to do in big fights since after the first wave is called by the FC everyone is just left on their own to manage getting in position and keep bombs streaming in on them ever 10-30 seconds.

This has forced xxdeathxx to use small cap booster on all their tengus to try and keep guns/hardners/afterburner alive https://zkillboard.com/kill/43491848/

Artjay
January 1 2015, 10:09:32 AM
I was in that role when you guys came up for the battle of REPO. Was very fun like you say you feel like you are having a bigger effect on the outcome than just orbiting an anchor and firing at the primary.

I'm not sure which nullsec doctrine would not suffer from having zero cap too so it's an all round useful tactic. Even things like talwars and munins whose weapons obviously don't use cap need to MWD constantly to reposition.

QuackBot
January 1 2015, 12:00:14 PM
how about 3 reps? and no drone shite for whoring?


nvm nullsec people will never get there
Nvm it was counting my level. No one can form a coalition against you.

Dev0
May 30 2015, 06:09:12 AM
went tramping on some Lawn with our t1 armor fleet and got chased by a bunch of machs, they were angry.

meowtiger
March 24 2016, 12:59:45 AM
brcat (http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=292&b=6956310&e=356&t=evbqeaaaau&r=1)

big fight over an scaa timer exit, co2 brought machs which was a solid choice, papa goon also brought a mach fleet, afterlife (pro-goon rus) brought some shitty petes, fcon brought cerbs, there's a small bastion FYF in there, plus about a full fleet's worth of light tackle from various alliances, and a cfc bomber wing

good guys brought a rattlesnake fleet (pl/tishu/some hordelings), a couple fleets of t3s (ncdot brought armor t3s and rolled up shadow cartel and some others, oss/hax brought tengus because they're gay), darkness (anti-goon rus) and slyce brought cerbs, and brave showed up with some caracals, plus a massive wing of test bombers

i wasn't there so this is all second hand, but, apparently 50+ supers and a titan were dropped to deal with co2, a cfc triage archon was dd'd but tanked and warped away, and the scaa was killed with a super in build

this thread needed to be woken up anyway

CivilWars
March 24 2016, 02:34:10 AM
Was a titan in build. The CO2 Mach fleet self destructed about a third or more of their fleet instead of waiting for imminent death.

Tapatalk

Helen
March 24 2016, 05:14:29 AM
brcat (http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=292&b=6956310&e=356&t=evbqeaaaau&r=1)

big fight over an scaa timer exit, co2 brought machs which was a solid choice, papa goon also brought a mach fleet, afterlife (pro-goon rus) brought some shitty petes, fcon brought cerbs, there's a small bastion FYF in there, plus about a full fleet's worth of light tackle from various alliances, and a cfc bomber wing

good guys brought a rattlesnake fleet (pl/tishu/some hordelings), a couple fleets of t3s (ncdot brought armor t3s and rolled up shadow cartel and some others, oss/hax brought tengus because they're gay), darkness (anti-goon rus) and slyce brought cerbs, and brave showed up with some caracals, plus a massive wing of test bombers

i wasn't there so this is all second hand, but, apparently 50+ supers and a titan were dropped to deal with co2, a cfc triage archon was dd'd but tanked and warped away, and the scaa was killed with a super in build

this thread needed to be woken up anyway

Can confirm oss/hax is gay for railgu's.


Was a titan in build. The CO2 Mach fleet self destructed about a third or more of their fleet instead of waiting for imminent death.

Tapatalk


lawnbot@lawnalliance.space/broadcast: Earlier today nearly more than 1000 members of the Planned Parenthood Coalition came into 2DWM and killed a baby titan in build. Apparently we're supposed to be "sad", "upset", or "morally defeated" about this. See, here's the thing though...it took them literally 3x our numbers AND 4 attempts to kill the thing.
That's right, we saved it ACE's baby titan 3 times before. Against PL, NC, and the other "elite" PvP alliances. It took them bringing in Darkness, TEST, and Triumvirate combined to finally kill the thing ALONG with 70 supers.
That's a moral blow for us? Er no, that's amazing. We stood against PL. We stood against NC. They had to take a play out of our book and literally bring 1000 people to beat us because they couldn't do it alone. And even then, they didn't get the Ragnarok that came out Sunday. They didn't get the Hel that came out Friday.
That, I feel great about. You should too.
SENT BY: [DOGFT]Ashkrall TO: AllianceMember

Anyway /r/eve has much more if you can delve through the various threads.

ron mexxico
March 24 2016, 05:53:59 AM
Was a pretty good fight. A little one sided but I guess that's how it goes sometimes.

main
March 24 2016, 08:32:29 AM
oss/hax brought tengus because they're gay).

You're an idiot. That was OSS and Triumvirate bringing railgus. At least get your facts right before shit talking.

Jayarr
March 24 2016, 02:29:39 PM
oss/hax brought tengus because they're gay).

You're an idiot. That was OSS and Triumvirate bringing railgus. At least get your facts right before shit talking.

[Tengu, Railgu]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

looks like a tengu to me

Peachy
March 24 2016, 02:33:19 PM
oss/hax brought tengus because they're gay).

You're an idiot. That was OSS and Triumvirate bringing railgus. At least get your facts right before shit talking.

[Tengu, Railgu]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

looks like a tengu to me

Looks like a bad post to me

jonesbones
March 24 2016, 04:47:14 PM
oss/hax brought tengus because they're gay).

You're an idiot. That was OSS and Triumvirate bringing railgus. At least get your facts right before shit talking.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/52768626/

OSS, Tri and HAX in Tengus.

WTF are you so booty blasted about faggot?

Lucas Quaan
March 24 2016, 06:02:12 PM
[Tengu, Railgu]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

looks like a tengu to me
Looks like a five gun coward fit, tbh

Badboy K
March 24 2016, 07:06:03 PM
I was there in a sabre, managed to survive while bubbling like 5 times...Tidi was 10%, there was Gm that said in local next time ask for reinforced node (we didn't even fight at RF node), so eve works much better now under heavy load. Local peaked at like 2300, last 45 minutes of fight was just killing Cfc like sitting ducks, and then CO2 fleet initiated Self-destruct which was pretty lame. I even saw hostile T3's Self-destruct ffs?? http://i.imgur.com/uiiwnRY.png

Gf really, hope more comes.

http://i.imgur.com/erKXJrz.png

jonesbones
March 24 2016, 08:22:22 PM
I like how 3k people know about a fight 36 hours ahead of time and no one asks to reinforce node.

We're so fucking stupid.

Eli Stan
March 24 2016, 08:53:27 PM
I wonder if CCP could implement something that watches for systems at 10% tidi for more than 10 minutes, pauses processing on that system while maintaining network connectivity to the clients (with an appropriate announcement to all in local along the lines of "Please wait 5 to 10 minutes for this system to process"), migrates the system to a reinforced node, then fires it up again... I can only assume they've looked at this already, since allocating systems to nodes can currently only happen during downtime, but with TQT3 and its monstrous backplane throughput it shouldn't take much time to migrate even a really large VM from one host to another now... They have that fancy new network setup now too.

LeoniaTavira
March 24 2016, 09:17:02 PM
What's also amusing on the RF'd nodes is that I petitioned for the dyspro in Tribute that was coming out, but because nobody got 2DWM onto a good node our dudes were stuck in tidi and didn't make it in time.
By self destructing their mach fleet co2 made it home first and saved their moon.

Quickload
March 25 2016, 06:46:42 AM
I wonder if CCP could implement something that watches for systems at 10% tidi for more than 10 minutes, pauses processing on that system while maintaining network connectivity to the clients (with an appropriate announcement to all in local along the lines of "Please wait 5 to 10 minutes for this system to process"), migrates the system to a reinforced node, then fires it up again... I can only assume they've looked at this already, since allocating systems to nodes can currently only happen during downtime, but with TQT3 and its monstrous backplane throughput it shouldn't take much time to migrate even a really large VM from one host to another now... They have that fancy new network setup now too.

They run the sol system processes on bare metal and pinned to a specific core, not within VMs, so there's no magic option like Vmotion or the like to use for this. The reason being is that CPU affinity with stackless Python (ie, the sol system server processes) is very important to keep cache hit rates up, something that VMs can't accomplish. If they put each sol system process within their own VM, performance would be measurably worse.

Eli Stan
March 25 2016, 02:41:47 PM
They run the sol system processes on bare metal and pinned to a specific core, not within VMs, so there's no magic option like Vmotion or the like to use for this. The reason being is that CPU affinity with stackless Python (ie, the sol system server processes) is very important to keep cache hit rates up, something that VMs can't accomplish. If they put each sol system process within their own VM, performance would be measurably worse.

Very informative, thanks! I haven't heard too much about the logical architecture of the EVE system. I hadn't even heard of Stackless (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stackless_Python) before. I wonder if some sort of custom host migration could be implemented. Pause processing, copy the memory state to a new physical box, resume the processing there... I also now wonder how the enhanced nodes with 8-core 3.2 GHz procs can be faster than the standard node with 4-core 3.5 GHz procs if a system's processing is pinned to a specific core... Acutally, I suppose each core of the enhanced node would have fewer systems to handle, even if the system would be slightly slower if it was a 1-to-1 allocation. The 3.2 GHz procs also have larger cache, which possibly is more important than clock speed?

Quickload
March 25 2016, 06:55:25 PM
They run the sol system processes on bare metal and pinned to a specific core, not within VMs, so there's no magic option like Vmotion or the like to use for this. The reason being is that CPU affinity with stackless Python (ie, the sol system server processes) is very important to keep cache hit rates up, something that VMs can't accomplish. If they put each sol system process within their own VM, performance would be measurably worse.

Very informative, thanks! I haven't heard too much about the logical architecture of the EVE system. I hadn't even heard of Stackless (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stackless_Python) before. I wonder if some sort of custom host migration could be implemented. Pause processing, copy the memory state to a new physical box, resume the processing there... I also now wonder how the enhanced nodes with 8-core 3.2 GHz procs can be faster than the standard node with 4-core 3.5 GHz procs if a system's processing is pinned to a specific core... Acutally, I suppose each core of the enhanced node would have fewer systems to handle, even if the system would be slightly slower if it was a 1-to-1 allocation. The 3.2 GHz procs also have larger cache, which possibly is more important than clock speed?

There's more to it than raw CPU speed or cache size (which does indeed help a lot, but remember, the L3 cache on the new nodes is 15MB shared between 4 cores) when it comes to the new generation of hardware. The higher core count means that locality of other sol system processes can be increased. In practical terms, this means that an entire constellation can reside on one blade, or even the same socket, thus the session information associated with a given player that's transferred between sol system processes doesn't need to touch the network when going from one adjacent system to another.

There are additional benefits that come along with the new CPUs. They're upgradingfrom vintage 2007 Xeon CPUs, which lack the AES, AVX, and other instructions that software leans on heavily these days (the AES instructions alone are great - AES means that the majority of TLS processing can happen in hardware rather than userspace. This pretty important on their Proxy nodes which terminate the TLS-encrypted client connections) and I'm sure their physics engine will also benefit if brought up to date to use the quick math routine sets (AVX/AVX2) found in the modern CPUs. Let's not forget the massively higher memory controller bandwidth that these new Haswell-E CPUs bring in general, which from what I recall is actually the most important aspect and is why an "emergency node reinforcement" involves evacuating all SOL system process other than the hot one from the node, to allow the hot one a larger share of the available memory. So, all in all, a sound upgrade that's pretty straight-forward.

As for sliding sol system process from one system to, say, a new Everest system (the buffed nodes they keep in reserve for "reinforced" nodes) on the fly, there's a lot of details there. First, you just can't snapshot a given process's state in memory and inject it into a completely different running OS and expect it to work, which is why vMotion et al image the entire OS in a quasi-suspended state and slide it over (with a bunch of stuff going on in the background to help, such as GARPS on the network level), because the VM system is what keeps all the addressing (file handles, OS caches, and other supporting cast) and virtual hardware consistent between the two. So, the entire OS has to move on top of the VM system, and because of how stackless Python does what it is, using VMs on the SOL nodes is irresponsible at best... so that capability is precluded.

CivilWars
March 26 2016, 09:33:03 PM
Lawn and Bastion are evaccing Vale and moving to Saranen. What a time to be alive.

main
March 27 2016, 09:39:35 AM
Didn't want that sov anyway ~

dominus
March 27 2016, 10:45:08 AM
Didn't want that sov anyway ~

Already replaced.. oh, wait..

jonesbones
March 28 2016, 08:36:12 PM
5k dudes in M-O yet?

Peachy
March 28 2016, 08:48:36 PM
5k dudes in M-O yet?

3.4k atm

fcon just lost their entire 300mna cane/sleip fleet to TEST bombers.

gg

GiDiYi
March 28 2016, 09:06:32 PM
Cane's have a viable fleet setup? I think it might be time to resub.

jonesbones
March 28 2016, 09:06:50 PM
Watching Zarvox's stream and updating VMs. Thought about remoting into the home PC to join in...then I read about the fight happening on an non reinforced node :o

jonesbones
March 28 2016, 09:07:52 PM
Cane's have a viable fleet setup? I think it might be time to resub.

All BCs got a built in hull bonus to optimal range. The Ferox and Hurricane fleets are legit. Wish there was a decent way to build a Harbinger fleet.

Armyofme
March 28 2016, 11:28:21 PM
Co2 reset standings with CFC i see.
Are we finally seeing CFC starting to crumble?

Muffinsrevenger
March 28 2016, 11:51:21 PM
GG NO RE

Peachy
March 28 2016, 11:53:40 PM
http://i.imgur.com/MGKoxGa.png


Damage control begins

DaBigCheez
March 28 2016, 11:59:43 PM
http://i.imgur.com/oTdwqfz.gif

jonesbones
March 29 2016, 12:22:43 AM
Were their supers even logged in? With 150+ Supers logged in for the "good guys" I highly doubt it.

CivilWars
March 29 2016, 01:46:13 AM
Rumor is their super fleet never moved anywhere near close to in range of Tribute.

Helen
March 29 2016, 08:40:13 AM
Co2 reset standings with CFC i see.
Are we finally seeing CFC starting to crumble?

Not just Co2 resetting CFC but Hole Violence leaving Goons and Borvil jumping ship after literally jumping from RZR to Bastion a few days ago.


http://i.imgur.com/MGKoxGa.png


Damage control begins

Notice the spin around "didn't use supers because no cyno jammers" ignoring the logical fallacy that if the cyno jammers were online they couldn't of jumped in supers.


Were their supers even logged in? With 150+ Supers logged in for the "good guys" I highly doubt it.


Rumor is their super fleet never moved anywhere near close to in range of Tribute.

As someone put on reddit, they don't want to get deep dicked before Deklein.

AgentPerrrry
March 29 2016, 09:44:49 AM
"We found that, as hard as we worked, we became the warhorse for RAZOR Alliance. Many corps dropped."
Yes, like.. UK Corp and Antwerpse Kerels.
Two! many! Corps! http://icons.iconarchive.com/icons/pino/sesame-street/32/The-Count-icon.png

jonesbones
March 29 2016, 01:22:53 PM
I can't understand how anyone could even fathom CFC committing supers in a fight where their subs were outnumbered 2:1.

Keckers
March 29 2016, 01:33:27 PM
Who would FC the supers?

QuackBot
March 29 2016, 04:00:17 PM
"We found that, as hard as we worked, we became the warhorse for RAZOR Alliance. Many corps dropped."
Yes, like.. UK Corp and Antwerpse Kerels.
Two! many! Corps! http://icons.iconarchive.com/icons/pino/sesame-street/32/The-Count-icon.png
There is several that have done comparisons of the two.

main
March 29 2016, 09:12:18 PM
Who would FC the supers?

That is the real question!

CivilWars
March 29 2016, 10:41:47 PM
Who would FC the supers?

Please say DBRB.

ron mexxico
March 30 2016, 05:56:42 AM
we also had ~315 supers / titans from NCdot and PL ))

Armyofme
March 30 2016, 07:34:49 AM
https://zkillboard.com/kill/52903993/ Anyone got the story behind this?

Helen
March 30 2016, 08:58:14 AM
https://zkillboard.com/kill/52903993/ Anyone got the story behind this?

For some reason he logged in, jumped blind to a camped cyno pos. From a bastion reddit poster "All that was posted in alliance chat was "Avatar in S-N" , then someone linked the killmail 10min later pretty hilarious.".

Wolfsdragoon
March 30 2016, 05:28:28 PM
l o l

http://puu.sh/nZDMa/2c3f3b0f3a.jpg

Dread Operative
March 30 2016, 08:15:58 PM
To which you replied, "Fuck goons."

Wolfsdragoon
March 30 2016, 10:16:01 PM
It turns out they didn't want to pay us anything, they just wanted to coordinate timers so we could ninja moons while you had business in other places. Unfortunately for him even lowly bebop has managed to get in on the isk vs goons idea though.

Benji
May 22 2016, 01:13:45 AM
https://zkillboard.com/kill/54153050/

Project.Mayhem revenant down to TEST

Sacul
September 25 2016, 07:49:01 PM
http://i.imgur.com/emaxLHd.jpg

Lex Arson
September 25 2016, 09:00:54 PM
roger that

Sacul
December 21 2016, 11:50:48 PM
Well that didnt take long. Not a winter at all.

~2 weeks ago CO2 were evicted from their homespace.
NC. did absolutely terrible at fozziesov to start. We got stomped left and rigth with the timers and CO2 gave good fights. CO2 won most at the start, from my, non FC, point of view.

We had a few try hards in the alliance whom seem to love timers, thanks uzey/ and all your alts, thanks to them and schooling from PL we learned sov warfare 2016. I dont know for sure but our deeeeeeeep isk pocket helped alot.

Sector is being cleared after the 15w battle (see eve/ccp promo vid). CO2 left to new grounds and its terribru killing all the citadels.

<3 to CO2 for good fights. You brought blobs, we brought blobs. In the end deep isk made the deal i guess altho you even brought it with massive bomber fleets.

(not official from NC. hi-command, just a grunts view)

jonesbones
December 22 2016, 12:42:32 PM
Eve Online Sov is still a supercapital game, the last two wars up north proved that.

Smarnca
January 19 2017, 04:31:09 PM
So our holiday in Maila is just starting and already we have some amazing video footage of the fights that have happened versus XiX and their overlords:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puWzkY-rWz8

this one is gold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7br6QHQ7Mw0

LordsServant
August 17 2019, 04:24:02 AM
Just wrapping up a great fight with Rote/Unspoken.
Videos will be forthcoming for some of the BRs linked in here.
BR if you want to skip reading: https://zkillboard.com/br/110907/

Bit of background - since our escapades in Scalding Pass devolved into a boring TZ grind, we were looking for more interesting content, and with the new space in Vale, we decided to move in. For more information, see my interview alongside the other Vale/Tribute people of note: https://www.talkinginstations.com/2019/08/the-wild-west-of-tribute-and-vale/

Since moving in, we've maintained a very strict "no blues" policy where we will not blue up anybody. Our immediate neighbors, Reverberation Project were old foes from my early T-C days in Fountain and as a direct result of the blackout, have had a lot of their old members rejoining the game.

They've been relatively friendly, giving us a few good skirmishes back and forth, and we've both noticed a disturbing trend of almost everyone else around us blueing up to form a boring suckfest much like the rest of the donut across eve. We both think this is fucking retarded and out of necessity, have been teaming up for major fights where either one of us would get outblobbed or outplayed by the other groups. Recently, Divinity. has moved in, and being friends of Echo, have been tentatively accepted into the "form voltron when we're blobbed" agreement. When voltroned, we are the "FED" coalition (FE. + ECHO + DVN.).

One of the most egregious smacktalking offenders we've noticed has been the group that used to
-live in syndicate
-give gudfites
-keep their main smacktalk to FHC
-have a lot of competent members and future AT theorycrafters
-be a competent small gang group.

My FHC readers will know that I am, ofc, referring to Rote Kapelle.

Since we've moved to Vale our interactions with Rote and Pets have been...
-blued with NV+Unspoken and Pinecone+Gone Fission, attempting to defend their forts they tried to anchor in our space - they sat in their phantasms and watched us dunk it:
BR: https://zkillboard.com/related/30000236/201907280600/
Fort: https://zkillboard.com/kill/78075745/

-fed an entosis machariel fleet to 4 vedmaks:
BR: https://zkillboard.com/related/30000228/201907272000/

-shot our abandoned ex-NC structures in a random TZ that we didn't form for, while not even showing up for any timers we did form for:
Tatara: https://zkillboard.com/kill/78116594/

-begged everyone they could for regions around to show up when they thought we would form and they could take us to come shoot an onlining fort* - we were told by people who showed up they were promised "nightmare kills" -
[ 2019.08.16 05:31:53 ] ZeroGravitas Banksy > I was promised nightmares :-(
Fort: https://zkillboard.com/kill/78446059/

Some juicy smack from that:

[ 2019.08.16 05:30:20 ] Wallymarts > imagine being dogshit
[ 2019.08.16 05:30:21 ] Wallymarts > at a game
[ 2019.08.16 05:30:23 ] Lady Paolini > imagine batphoning 4 alliances but claiming no blues :P
[ 2019.08.16 05:30:24 ] Wallymarts > that has been out since 2003
[ 2019.08.16 05:30:32 ] Helsir Qyrdun > we never claimed no blues

[ 2019.08.16 05:30:53 ] Helsir Qyrdun > you just thought you could do something in late USTZ
[ 2019.08.16 05:30:54 ] Proxay > what are we talking about
[ 2019.08.16 05:30:54 ] Helsir Qyrdun > NAH

[ 2019.08.16 05:32:24 ] Helsir Qyrdun > Lady Paolini next time, tell Lord'sServant to NOT GO ON THE FUCKING TUBE
[ 2019.08.16 05:32:31 ] Gorion Wassenar > Gotta keep space open for the actual Forsaken Empire. This is not the actual one.
[ 2019.08.16 05:32:32 ] Lady Paolini > lol...
[ 2019.08.16 05:32:32 ] Helsir Qyrdun > NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR HIS STUPID FUCKIN OPINIONS
[ 2019.08.16 05:32:43 ] Helsir Qyrdun > This is why this fort died
[ 2019.08.16 05:32:52 ] Helsir Qyrdun > Tell him Hels says hi



*this last one wasn't properly planned with almost noone told and none of us actually formed. Whoops. ;)

They got convinced off of stumbling and blueing their way into the few victories they had that they were somehow good enough to ask Echo the following:

[22:30:33] Striker Eriker > We here at Unspoken Alliance. Have decided we like this space as much as you do, actually, we like it more. So for 15b a month you too can live here!

*MAIN BR FOR TONIGHT STARTS HERE*

Unfortunately, their false confidence and bravado caught up to them tonight in the first fight we've had where both sides had a fleet.

The night started pretty normally for us, with Echo mentioning that they had some timers, and especially after seeing how big the batphone was for our Fort last night, we decided that temp blueing for the fights were in order.
Our intel sources indicated they would probably attempt some kind of Leshak or Drek doctrine with some capital support, so we setup to try and get them to fight.

I've personally been enjoying the "Era of Chaos" changes quite a bit, and having moved back to the Vale of the Silent, I was rather inspired by one of my favorite times in Eve - the DRF invasion of the North ca 2011.
As a result, I theorycrafted and brought up one of my personal favorite doctrines - Abaddons, modified to be useful in 2019, and what I suspected to be a relatively hard counter against any trig doctrine provided sufficient numbers considering their overwhelming alpha and high amount of dps requiring no spoolup while sporting an incredibly stout tank.

The hostiles started out with a titan we originally thought they would bridge with out of their staging in M-O, but we quickly noticed that they were out of bridge range of their objective, and noticed that they were burning their subcaps along a route to get closer. We also observed a lone Moros gating into 15w, which WAS in range.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump/Moros,544/M-OEE8:15W-GC:0MV-4W

Eager to exploit the weakness and inexperience of our enemies, we moved a hero dictor to waterboard any future capital movement, which would prove pivotal in the coming fight.
RK&Pets (mostly Pets this time) cyno'd in a single dread (the moros we saw earlier) and paused the timer on the athanor we were defending. We immediately cyno'd in our abaddons+1 fax, putting the moros to half armor quickly before it lit a cyno and the hostile leshaks began streaming in, ready to elite pvp our abaddons. At the same time, our hero dictor (Alice from Echo) called out ~10 caps undocking from the fort in m-o and beginning to gate to the midpoint. These unsupported caps were promptly waterboarded and would play no role in the forthcoming slaughter.

As the Leshaks began landing on the moros, we swapped off the moros and began dispensing the Lord's justice. The first Leshak took an initial bit of fire, dropping shields, then 4 short volleys later, a billion isk lay smoldering. This would set the pace of the battle, with overpriced, badly fitted Leshaks being dropped every 15-30 seconds. Realizing they were outmatched, and that no help would be coming from their waterboarded ill-prepared capital wing, they ran for the hills, burning out of the bubbles and fleeing the field as quickly as they could warp.

During this exchange, a grand total of 2 abaddons were destroyed to the 7 leshaks they lost. Immediately after, we dropped in a few dreads to remove their lone Moros, netting us a further 5b in carnage to top the night off.

GFs were posted by us in local, with a tepid response returned.
Final BR: https://zkillboard.com/br/110907/

Rote & Pets (mostly pets here) were soundly outflown, outplayed, and outmaneuvered to a resoundingly one-sided defeat caused by excessive hubris, a poor understanding of capital deployment, and abysmal subcapital doctrine theory.

As Hels so succinctly stated for me:
Helsir Qyrdun > you just thought you could do something in late USTZ
Helsir Qyrdun > NAH

Hels
August 17 2019, 05:39:41 AM
We can boil this down.

NoVis asked us to help for their fort at about 6h prior to it coming online.

We had about 15 phantasms. attempted to defend but 3x the numbers with 40 panfam in the waiting it didn't work out.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/78075745/

See here.

No Vis is mildly retarded, so yeah, it died, but I suppose us coming to get a fight makes it "ours" but LS is a mong so that's what you get.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/78116594/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/78446059/

So we kill two uncontested structures. The narrative? "We didn't know or care about those, haha lol :D"

LS is delusional, as usual. And smug posting about outnumbering people and bringing in triage from the start. Bless.

Tafkat
August 17 2019, 07:11:47 AM
Blackout has resurrected W&P shitposting, what a time to be alive.

Keckers
August 17 2019, 08:19:36 AM
Still get swag points for use of abaddons tbh though. As much as LS is a sperglord

Artjay
August 17 2019, 10:03:04 AM
It's like I have been dragged back to 2012. Not sure if good or bad.

LordsServant
August 17 2019, 04:47:25 PM
Still get swag points for use of abaddons tbh though. As much as LS is a sperglord

CCP is doing their part by chaosing Eve up, I might as well do my part by donning the Lord's Servant mask once more and creating content and breathing some life back into fhc and small alliance content.

Only thing that remains to be seen is how long the content lasts until the blue blob rears its ugly head again.

I just hope all parties involved keep things at the scale they are rather than bluing up every entity to kill content.

Right now it's fairly balanced with FED vs Rote/Unspoken+the handful of hangers-on that show for every timer. If either side eclipses 100 people in fleet or we get cap groups being dropped on every fight then I imagine content will dry up pretty quick.

Abaddons are great and some people here who haven't played in a while might not realize - they gave abaddons a 7.5% bonus to damage. They're even stronger now than they were back in the day. Our fleet was putting out absolutely obscene dps in conflag range when they dropped us. Zarm reps can't catch when you don't get the chance to spool.

Ruri
August 18 2019, 02:33:39 AM
It's like I have been dragged back to 2012. Not sure if good or bad.

pros: more things are happening in the interesting parts of space, lots of old people are coming back to the game.

cons: lordsposting is also back.

it does seem like a bit of a wash, until you consider that you can just ignore lordsposting and have fun playing eve again.

Daneel Trevize
August 18 2019, 11:23:41 AM
Zarm reps can't catch when you don't get the chance to spool.
I must have missed when CCP attempted to justify such reps in the first place. When the fuck do you not need full remote rep power at the first volley of damage taken? I can only see it being 'useful' for gategun tanking prats. Generally PvP requires burst reps (did those ancil remote reppers ever take off?), and decent damage PvE also switches target, so you want fast switching reps and fit for resists over buffer.

vDJ
August 18 2019, 03:32:18 PM
Zarm reps can't catch when you don't get the chance to spool.
I must have missed when CCP attempted to justify such reps in the first place. When the fuck do you not need full remote rep power at the first volley of damage taken? I can only see it being 'useful' for gategun tanking prats. Generally PvP requires burst reps (did those ancil remote reppers ever take off?), and decent damage PvE also switches target, so you want fast switching reps and fit for resists over buffer.When they introduced ramping guns ?

LordsServant
August 18 2019, 04:56:08 PM
Zarm reps can't catch when you don't get the chance to spool.
I must have missed when CCP attempted to justify such reps in the first place. When the fuck do you not need full remote rep power at the first volley of damage taken? I can only see it being 'useful' for gategun tanking prats. Generally PvP requires burst reps (did those ancil remote reppers ever take off?), and decent damage PvE also switches target, so you want fast switching reps and fit for resists over buffer.

They rep a reasonable amount starting off, a bit worse than guardian reps, and scale upwards to a reasonable amount more than guardian reps. Leshaks are known for being very tanky when properly fit, so your zarm reps will have the chance to scale up vs a lot of fleet comps in the small-midsize fleet meta.

Unfortunately for them, conflag abaddons punch out 1300dps apiece with no spooling required.

Our ~25 abaddons were putting out well over 30k dps (~32ish).

You need to be a bit more on the ball with proper fits and better logi than what they did to have a chance at doing anything to us in a zarm/leshak comp. I'll probably get the video out tomorrow but their first few ships barely even caught reps, and when their last few did get reps, we were still melting through them with scorch as they burned away.

Generally speaking, we're probably just past the point where trig ships/reps are good with our fleet scales.

Hels
August 19 2019, 12:03:02 AM
Zarm reps can't catch when you don't get the chance to spool.
I must have missed when CCP attempted to justify such reps in the first place. When the fuck do you not need full remote rep power at the first volley of damage taken? I can only see it being 'useful' for gategun tanking prats. Generally PvP requires burst reps (did those ancil remote reppers ever take off?), and decent damage PvE also switches target, so you want fast switching reps and fit for resists over buffer.

They rep a reasonable amount starting off, a bit worse than guardian reps, and scale upwards to a reasonable amount more than guardian reps. Leshaks are known for being very tanky when properly fit, so your zarm reps will have the chance to scale up vs a lot of fleet comps in the small-midsize fleet meta.

Unfortunately for them, conflag abaddons punch out 1300dps apiece with no spooling required.

Our ~25 abaddons were putting out well over 30k dps (~32ish).

You need to be a bit more on the ball with proper fits and better logi than what they did to have a chance at doing anything to us in a zarm/leshak comp. I'll probably get the video out tomorrow but their first few ships barely even caught reps, and when their last few did get reps, we were still melting through them with scorch as they burned away.

Generally speaking, we're probably just past the point where trig ships/reps are good with our fleet scales.

25 BS vs 12 BS

:ThinkingFace: You're too smug for how shit you are.

LordsServant
August 19 2019, 02:00:48 AM
Zarm reps can't catch when you don't get the chance to spool.
I must have missed when CCP attempted to justify such reps in the first place. When the fuck do you not need full remote rep power at the first volley of damage taken? I can only see it being 'useful' for gategun tanking prats. Generally PvP requires burst reps (did those ancil remote reppers ever take off?), and decent damage PvE also switches target, so you want fast switching reps and fit for resists over buffer.

They rep a reasonable amount starting off, a bit worse than guardian reps, and scale upwards to a reasonable amount more than guardian reps. Leshaks are known for being very tanky when properly fit, so your zarm reps will have the chance to scale up vs a lot of fleet comps in the small-midsize fleet meta.

Unfortunately for them, conflag abaddons punch out 1300dps apiece with no spooling required.

Our ~25 abaddons were putting out well over 30k dps (~32ish).

You need to be a bit more on the ball with proper fits and better logi than what they did to have a chance at doing anything to us in a zarm/leshak comp. I'll probably get the video out tomorrow but their first few ships barely even caught reps, and when their last few did get reps, we were still melting through them with scorch as they burned away.

Generally speaking, we're probably just past the point where trig ships/reps are good with our fleet scales.

25 BS vs 12 BS

:ThinkingFace: You're too smug for how shit you are.

You bridged onto us after smacking nonstop. Talk shit get hit.

Keckers
August 19 2019, 10:15:04 AM
This is a lot of posting for killing a few battleships while losing a couple of structures.

LordsServant
August 19 2019, 04:21:12 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/cs77m7/trigg_vs_triquietcenti_in_tribute/

Recent fight in d7- that I see noone posting on in here, so I'll post it for posterity.

I wasn't there personally, but my understanding is that we kept it paused and going down until our bombers weren't able to keep up with the rest of the stuff on field.

There's a lot of drama over tri showing up as a batphone, which fortunately looks like it pissed all of us locals off, so much so that Unspoken, which had originally agreed to help defend the azbel (then stood down when trig formed nightmares - also excellent group who seem like chill people) suicided a dread onto it to ensure that it died.

Mad props to them for doing that, and it gives me a lot of hope for the entire area (Vale/tribute) if we all feel that strongly about outside batphones showing up.

Azbel:
https://zkillboard.com/kill/78506596/

Absolute Legend Martyred for the no batphone cause:
https://zkillboard.com/kill/78506642/

Anyone actually there feel free to add more here as necessary. Let's keep the activity going here, and provide context to the area. :)

Joshua Foiritain
August 19 2019, 05:31:45 PM
This is a lot of posting for killing a few battleships while losing a couple of structures.

Tbh small scale battles are worth posting about a lot more then the large blob tidi nonsense :)

Tribute/Vale is pretty entertaining. Sat night Divinity had a small fleet out trying to take some sov nodes so we slapped together a hilariously bad 5 man kitchensink fleet to go shoot some things. We assembled a glorious battlefleet consisting of a cloaky legion, curse, crow, enyo and a slippery pete (lol).

Divinity and friends had about 8 jackdaws, a moa, a caracal, 2 retris, a wolf, some griffens and some entosis drakes. We spent about 2 hours running around the constellation doing hit and run attacks on various entosis ships, killing support ships that trickled in and running away under the cover of the blackout whenever their fleet showed up in full. Some random blue renter dropped by, pulled an IMA HELP LOL and then proceeded to welp his half a bill orthrus to its death.

With the ESI being borky i cant generate a battlereport for the constellation but this one covers most of the ships; https://zkillboard.com/br/110963/

Combined losses are less then 1.5 bill which is obv peanuts but goddamn that was a fun few hours. I think thats the first time in years we actually just kitchensinked it up lol.

teds :D
August 19 2019, 08:22:22 PM
friendly reminder that the person smug-posting about a spaceship game that we used to play nearly a decade ago is also the same poster than made this thread: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?5654-An-example-of-how-not-to-do-things

LordsServant
August 19 2019, 09:34:16 PM
friendly reminder that the person smug-posting about a spaceship game that we used to play nearly a decade ago is also the same poster than made this thread: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?5654-An-example-of-how-not-to-do-things

I can see how your life has improved so much that you have all this spare time to dig up ancient posts because you're so mad about an even more ancient game. Props on your success the last decade or so.

Meanwhile, I think most of us would prefer that the spaceships forum be about spaceships. Why don't you go make a hate thread in general or something?

Daneel Trevize
August 19 2019, 09:55:25 PM
m8 it's a stickied thread in an active subforum, he didn't have to go far. :p

LordsServant
August 19 2019, 10:24:56 PM
m8 it's a stickied thread in an active subforum, he didn't have to go far. :p

That's hilarious, I had no idea lmao. :P

Ruri
August 20 2019, 01:49:04 AM
friendly reminder that the person smug-posting about a spaceship game that we used to play nearly a decade ago is also the same poster than made this thread: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?5654-An-example-of-how-not-to-do-things

holy shit i didn't even realise that lords was on my ignore list until this recent shitposting spree, i'd completely forgotten. however long ago it was that i made that decision, i get the sense that it's still a good one.

edit: for reference the only other person on mine is barth, make of that what you will ~

Keckers
August 20 2019, 08:42:11 AM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to teds :D again.

Sacul
August 20 2019, 09:54:32 AM
It's like I have been dragged back to 2012. Not sure if good or bad.Even rooks and Kings style pipe bombs are back.

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Hels
August 22 2019, 06:10:07 PM
It's like I have been dragged back to 2012. Not sure if good or bad.Even rooks and Kings style pipe bombs are back.

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Easier too with blackout.