Incursion corps?

[Tellenta]

So I'm taking a break from giving a damn about anything in eve except making isk and making more isk. So as I drift around aimlessly in my alt corp I began to wonder is there an corp that focuses on incursions. It seems like a perfect fit for my current not giving a damn situation. If so let me know that would be great.

A quick synopsis on what I can fly.

Amarr/minnie/gallente BS and below (I sold my cap ships but those would be gallente)

HAC/Logi/Recon 5

Good leadership skills, though I stopped training skirmish warfare spec after realizing everyone that has leadership skills has skirmish warfare spec 5 trained already so I should focus on the others. Lacking fleet command and siege warfare spec, and skirmish sitting at 3.

Just checking if there are people to have mindless fun with, competency is optional.

[Leboe]

I think goons are probably the most dedicated right now.

[Tellenta]

I think goons are probably the most dedicated right now.

Yeah I think my short experience in the NC is enough for a lifetime tyvm. Sure goons are not "in" the NC but being bluebies is close enough.

edit: unless you're talking about the goons that are not doing the bluebies thing, they are so hard to keep track of these days.

[Gunni]

http://www.maliciousdestruction.net/for ... .php?11,17 (http://www.maliciousdestruction.net/forums/read.php?11,17)

they also sell LP as a corp, so i'd imagine pretty good profit making opportunities

[crazyr2]

Rather than being in the right corp, its more about being in the right channels.

What do you prefer shield or armour?

[Tellenta]

Rather than being in the right corp, its more about being in the right channels.

What do you prefer shield or armour?

Armor tbh, I have the armor comps to 5, my shield skills are equivelent to a 6 month old character pushing buttons to see what they do.

[Whisky Visions]

I flew with Malicious Destruction for a couple of months, and have to say that if you want a good incursion experience, definately fly with them. Of course it's shield fleets, so that may require a little extra training, but the flexibility is good in the long term anyways.

[zergl]

Rather than being in the right corp, its more about being in the right channels.

What do you prefer shield or armour?

Armor tbh, I have the armor comps to 5, my shield skills are equivelent to a 6 month old character pushing buttons to see what they do.
I could check if the people I used to whore Incursions with are still doing them. Was a pretty much armor exclusive bunch and (mostly due to me raging at stuff I didn't agree with very loudly) very elitist about not accepting shitty fits in their gangs (hell, I've even had Guardian pilots whose only fault was Logi IV instead of V kicked from our private formup channel :monocledowns: ).

[Tellenta]

Well if you don't have logi 5 trained you really are a terrible person.

[Armyofme]

Well if you don't have logi 5 trained you really are a terrible person.

[zergl]

My opinion exactly, but some (non-logi pilots) thought this was cruel and unusual standards. :V

[Tellenta]

My opinion exactly, but some (non-logi pilots) thought this was cruel and unusual standards. :V

That's because they are dumb. While you can get away with logi 4 in an oneiros, not so much in a guardian.

[CastleBravo]

Rather than being in the right corp, its more about being in the right channels.

What do you prefer shield or armour?

Armor tbh, I have the armor comps to 5, my shield skills are equivelent to a 6 month old character pushing buttons to see what they do.

You don't need much for shields anyway. As long as you can use active hardeners you are good to go as far as incursions.

[Sofia Roseburn]

I skimmed through this a couple of posts ago, and it got me thinking. Is there anything established in the EU TZ? Shields preferably but armor is fine too.

[zergl]

Shields preferably but armor is fine too.
While I haven't been in an Incursion fleet since like 2-3 weeks after launch, the Shield Fleets used to be terrible scrubfests made out of Drakes and Ravens and having just joined one of the semi-public formup channels (as in slightly less terrible pubbie spam in comparison to the mandatory incursion channel) again, I saw a Drake and a Raven looking for a shield gang again.

Can anyone that's still active tell me if this has changed at least in closed circles? I did start theorycrafting a rather pimped out shield setup built around machs (or maels for the poor folks, more or less pimped alpha fleet with minor modifications because I was fed up with those remote repping NPCs) to at least prove that shield fleets can be competitive (when we hijacked a shield gang's site, we would beat the shield setups pretty much every time unless we went in significantly too late), but never got enough reliable people at the same time willing to try it out in practice.

[Sofia Roseburn]

Wouldn't bother me either way, as I've gone past the stage where shield/armor related skills aren't at either IV or V. I just like shields.

[EntroX]

i too am interested in incursions, mostly to do them rather than the isk (but isk is nice too!)

[Tellenta]

i too am interested in incursions, mostly to do them rather than the isk (but isk is nice too!)

Maybe we should start a shitty corp about it.

[EntroX]

i do happen to have a pony corp available...

[Lorkin Desal]

You could have an alt of mine, I would be intrested in experencing incursions.

[Aurora148]

i have a lvl5 guardian pilot not doing anything atm

what are the corps and channels for EU based people wanting to do incursions? the only ones ive seen advertised so far are mostly US based.

[EntroX]

since today its friday then i'd be more than interested in checking them out (late eu early ustz) i have yet to do one so it might be fun :3

[zergl]

Won't really be having much time this WE (I'll be a happy camper if I make the GN on Sunday), but have have the name of one of the semi-public hangout channels in the meantime: BTL Pub

The other one I used to hang out in when Incursions came out is pretty dead and has that one referenced in the MOTD. Dunno what the average fleet quality in there is, but it has a decent amount of activity. From what I've gathered idling there and occasionally clicking the linked fits while semi-afk, it seems to be mostly shield focused with every fit from mediocre-ish Drakes and Ravens to decent looking Lokis/Tengus and Machs/Maels.

When I'm online and we can get enough people together, I'd also be totally game for a bit of BITTERVETS ONLY Vanguard chillaxing.

[EntroX]

Won't really be having much time this WE (I'll be a happy camper if I make the GN on Sunday), but have have the name of one of the semi-public hangout channels in the meantime: BTL Pub

The other one I used to hang out in when Incursions came out is pretty dead and has that one referenced in the MOTD. Dunno what the average fleet quality in there is, but it has a decent amount of activity. From what I've gathered idling there and occasionally clicking the linked fits while semi-afk, it seems to be mostly shield focused with every fit from mediocre-ish Drakes and Ravens to decent looking Lokis/Tengus and Machs/Maels.

When I'm online and we can get enough people together, I'd also be totally game for a bit of BITTERVETS ONLY Vanguard chillaxing.

i like

[Tellenta]

We going to abuse that chat channel, or are we going to make a merger of bitter vets in to the pony corp? Or a mixture of the two? Either way I don't really care as I am already in my alt corp so going anywhere is just fine. It would be nice to try it with some people that can do the armor thing, the only bite I've had on my search is a shield focus bunch.

edit: also won't be able to fart around until Saturday.

[GrumpyOleMen]

I started running these a week ago and they can be pretty easy money. While there are some scrubs, for the most part, the majority are flying some pretty pimped setups. What you really want is to get in with some of the good FCs, which are very organized and business like. Otherwise, you end up non-stop waiting for ppl to bio, and you make 20MM an hour plus LP. With good FCs, its 60-80MM hour plus LP.

Some tips and comments:

1) When you arrive at the incursion site, X'ing up in the right manner will help you out. Doing it in the wrong manner will guarantee you sit there whining because you can't seem to get in a fleet. Type "X", a link to your ships fit, list the incursion constellation you are at, and link the system you're in. Name the link to your fit something useful like "Gaurdian" or "Navy Mega", and not something idiotic like "WTFPawnMobile". Do not X up in any of the private channels unless you are like 2 jumps out. X'ing up and then letting people know in fleet chat that you are 10-20 jumps out will just piss people off.

2) This is the Eve equivalent to WoW PUG raiding. Do it right and people will remember you and give you fleet invites, screw up a lot and everyone will ignore you. Focus fire and shoot only the designated targets, orbit the anchor, warp to the correct sites, blah blah blah. Playing a healer, I mean Logi, is an easy way to get in fleets.

3) Spend a couple hours running with a good pick up group, and then ask about the private incursion channels. You can get invites for what ever flavor you like. They tend to be either armor or shield specific.

4) Most people run the Vanguard sites as they pay like 10+MM and 1400 LP and take like 6-10 minutes to run. You typically have 9-11 people in a fleet. The assaults don't seem to be run much for the same reason people hated 40 man raiding. You want to pull your hair out after 2 minutes from all the "AFK 2 min" or "Quick bio" comments which just double the time to accomplish anything.

5) While they do have the 1 run bpcs, the 5 run are cheaper on a per unit basis. Understand what you are committing yourself to though. The five runs require 150,000 LP. That's going to take running ~110 sites. If by chance the mothership for that particular incursion is not killed, I'm pretty sure you just lost the entire LP you farmed at that site. There are only 3 different Vanguard sites. It gets real monotonous, real quick.

6) Be prepared to run around like wondering nomad. There is a "gentleman’s agreement" that the FC's won't kill off the mothership, and thus end the incursion, unless there are at least 2 sites up at all times I believe. That said, they always seem to spawn 15+ jumps from the last one. Having an alt with an orca with mods, ammo, drones, etc is very helpful. Especially if you switch from Logi to DPS and vice versa.

[Eard]

I could probably be convinced when I'm on teamspeak to give this a try. Fleet command 5 is probably finished by now, all combat leadership skills at 5, logi 5, any CSes or T3s (although I only own a tengu).

[Armyofme]

Ill tag along with an alt or something as well :razor:

[Larkonis Trassler]

I played around tonight doing some incursions for an hour or so, made 40 mil (+lp) on one char but I can see a not so scrub fleet making twice that easy.

One question, how the fuck do I spend these LP. Do I have to wait for the incursion to end or what?

[zergl]

Yeah. At the end of the incursion when (or if, in case of low/null) the mothership site is done you will get the LP.

[Tellenta]

I have successfully moved to 3 different incursion sites. It turns out you need to be logged in after that to get anything done. I think incursions are way to much effort for my play style (not playing).

[smagd]

The best part is really the constellation Incursion chat with people linking up their fits.

Best so far was a medium smartbomb Raven. "It's to kill their drones."

Close second was an FC trying to assemble a shield fleet in a NOS, Warp Scrambler, 1600mm plate Myrmidon.

Still, some of those gangs are actually amazing.

Example: FC invites Scimitar and Basilisk. Scimitar goes: "Right who's going to cap the Basilisk?" Basilisk goes: "What for? I'm entirely cap stable, assuming your cap feed." Scimitar goes: "But I can't cap feed." FC in Nightmare goes: "I'm his cap buddy." And it worked nicely.

Other times you see absolutely heroic Logistics work.

Yesterday we had a gang in the middle of an OTA, which can tax working double Logistics esp. since people like to bring stuff like Shield Bhaalgorns what with their nice webifier bonus. Then the double Basilisk team loses one Basilisk presumably AFK due to parent aggro and the remaining Basilisk rescues a Huginn from deep armor and a Rokh from deep structure and gets all but one Raven to warp out, which probably deserved to explode anyway.

Admittedly, it's fairly boring once you get a pro gang going.

[Sloth Arnini]

The armour equivalent of "BTL Pub" is "The Ditanian Fleet." Even with that channel, it seems harder to get hold of armour fleets than shield fleets these days though.

I agree that if you have an inoculation against stupid, it's amusing to watch the constellation incursion channel. The most entertaining linked fit I've seen so far was a twin tanking Typhoon with 2 heavy missile launchers 2 standard missile launchers, a 1200mm arty and 3x 650mm autos. And Praetors.

[teds]

I played around tonight doing some incursions for an hour or so, made 40 mil (+lp) on one char but I can see a not so scrub fleet making twice that easy.

One question, how the fuck do I spend these LP. Do I have to wait for the incursion to end or what?

after quoted poster instructed me a drake is a good spacefaring vessel, i also did this to the same tune. at one point we (me and my fellow derps in drakes) were in some mining one, and there was no other fleets in with us and a pop-up said 'the reward goes to bestest people' and sure enough, no LP for that site.

why?

[kopf]

There's a group of guys wandering around in a shield fleet that call themselves skeet fleet. They run one basi that cap chains with one of the faction bs's, sometimes with two of them. Occasionally they'll run two basis but not real often I think. Everyone runs shield drones to keep the single basi alive. Everything else is pimped dps like sleipnirs, nightmares, machs, shield tanked vindis etc. All guns, no missiles, they pretty much alpha everything but the bs's. I ran with em a couple times, they are extremely competent at vanguards, they don't give a fuck if another fleet warps into a site first, they just warp in and outdamage the other fleet, thereby stealing the rewards. I enjoyed the cash as much as their competence at what they do.

[Davd]

I've been inactive with school stuffs, for the last few months. How profitable are the incursions? I might resub my alts and try this out, wrapping up the school year next week.

[Kalnov]

I've been inactive with school stuffs, for the last few months. How profitable are the incursions? I might resub my alts and try this out, wrapping up the school year next week.

Assuming you only do 1 site every 10 minutes, you can get 60m liquid isk per hour + about 30m in lp.

I may be interested. Depends on what my alts find to do.

[Davd]

I've been inactive with school stuffs, for the last few months. How profitable are the incursions? I might resub my alts and try this out, wrapping up the school year next week.

Assuming you only do 1 site every 10 minutes, you can get 60m liquid isk per hour + about 30m in lp.

I may be interested. Depends on what my alts find to do.

I'm liking that estimate. What's the LP good for? I haven't found a straight answer on EVE-O yet.

I have two alts that can contribute to this. One is armor/lazors the other is missiles/shields.

[smagd]

Concord LP can be traded in at Concord stations just like regular Mission LP. Stations for those can be found in High-Sec Khanid or Derelik space (Sasta is 3 from Rens), or in low sec.

You can only cash in LP after an Incursion has ended, but it doesn't matter whether you take part in the Mom kill. I believe extra rewards are given to the top ten contributing pilots, but I have no idea whether it's in LP form.

You're gonna need 37500 LP for the smaller items, but it's generally more profitable to wait for 5-run BPCs and those are 150k LP, also bring 1M ISK per 1000 LP.

http://www.ellatha.com/eve/LPIndex-61

[Davd]

Concord LP can be traded in at Concord stations just like regular Mission LP. Stations for those can be found in High-Sec Khanid or Derelik space (Sasta is 3 from Rens), or in low sec.

You can only cash in LP after an Incursion has ended, but it doesn't matter whether you take part in the Mom kill. I believe extra rewards are given to the top ten contributing pilots, but I have no idea whether it's in LP form.

You're gonna need 37500 LP for the smaller items, but it's generally more profitable to wait for 5-run BPCs and those are 150k LP, also bring 1M ISK per 1000 LP.

http://www.ellatha.com/eve/LPIndex-61

Thanks, what I read on EVE-O hinted at some sort of conversion system but it didn't seem right. I wasn't specifically looking into the LP portion of it when I searched, just a general overview of incursions.

[zergl]

Well, you can convert the CONCORD LP into Empire Faction LP (IIRC anything but pirate faction, dunno about ORE/Thukker) at varying exchange rates, but it was extremely not worth it when it came out (10k ISK/LP conversion ratio at CONCORD LP store with rather shitty conversion rates). YMMV nowadays with the price dumping for CONCORD shop items. You actually might find something with high ISK/LP in an underused corp's LP store with terrible agents but dunno if it's worth the :effort: of researching.

[Davd]

Well, you can convert the CONCORD LP into Empire Faction LP (IIRC anything but pirate faction, dunno about ORE/Thukker) at varying exchange rates, but it was extremely not worth it when it came out (10k ISK/LP conversion ratio at CONCORD LP store with rather shitty conversion rates). YMMV nowadays with the price dumping for CONCORD shop items. You actually might find something with high ISK/LP in an underused corp's LP store with terrible agents but dunno if it's worth the :effort: of researching.

Interesting :monocledowns:

[Hels]

I would be interested in working this when I get setup again, of course my hours would be all kins of fucked. But bittervetting corp/chat/group whatever for making incursion iskies could be good funs. Of course pimp shit only for maximum awesome. No scrub ships, etc etc.

I think me and haff(?) maybe started up a corp but never got too hard into recruiting.

[Larkonis Trassler]

Right...

I've been giving some thought to forming a corp based on doing lowsec incursions.

5-10% jewtax to fund dudes who fail and lose ships to PVP (LOL).

Seems goons are the only dudes running lolsec incursions atm. Any other scrubs can be dealt with and I'm sure an agreement can be made with the goons because they'd literally only be able to snag 1-2 ships at once and really it's not worth the effort.

Is anyone up for this?

[Nobody_Holme]

Which timezone do you usually fly in?

[Aurora148]

im UK and I'd be up for that, ive got a lvl5 guardian pilot and my main can fly pretty much everything gaylente or min

are lowsec Incursions more profitable/harder than highsec ones?

[Nobody_Holme]

In other news, i'm up for it, main is maxed gunnery T3s or a max-skill guardian, alt is anything up to cruiser minmatar-wise



EDIT: fuck me, that was a bad post. UK timezone, but i stay up late.

[Muffinsrevenger]

Yeah, lowsec incursions have better payouts, and the momfight can drop a revenant bpc/fighterbomber bpc, but glhf finding the 60 required guys to do it :D

also, could possibly be up for some lowsec adventures

[Tai]

I have an alt who can fly Draek...

Might be able to bring a Guardian pilot out on weekends or when I get a good exit.

[smagd]

Seems goons are the only dudes running lolsec incursions atm.

That would be because they're currently on Carebear Incursion Tear Extraction Duty, and the only Incursions they won't blitz are the ones nobody at all dares touch with a ten-foot pole.

Those Sanshas sure have cojones staging an Incursion in the middle of an NC exit operation.

[Larkonis Trassler]

I sat in on some meeting on Friday night after far too much sun and cider between the hisec Incursion 'FC's' trying to make some new 'agreement'. I think I might even have spoken once or twice (I certainly had an in depth discussion with some dudes before it officially started over the merits of going to lowsec) but it seemed that shield were butthurt at armour for running the MILF site early, and so in revenge they went and blitzed all the remaining hisec MILFS. I dunno...

I've got to say though, I don't think I've ever heard a bigger bunch of dripping pissflaps get so worked up over something so easy to deal with in my life.

[Caius Sivaris]

I sat in on some meeting on Friday night after far too much sun and cider between the hisec Incursion 'FC's' trying to make some new 'agreement'. I think I might even have spoken once or twice (I certainly had an in depth discussion with some dudes before it officially started over the merits of going to lowsec) but it seemed that shield were butthurt at armour for running the MILF site early, and so in revenge they went and blitzed all the remaining hisec MILFS. I dunno...

I've got to say though, I don't think I've ever heard a bigger bunch of dripping pissflaps get so worked up over something so easy to deal with in my life.

On a related note, wouldn't those highec corp make attractive war targets? Easy to find them, also potentially tackled by rats. They could make for good fights and good loot.

[smagd]

Lark, your assessment is fairly good, which is exactly why the Goons seized this opportunity.

The war dec thing is potentially a nice idea, but remember that each war target comes almost by definition with about 2 neutral Logis, and if they yelp just loudly enough there's another two dozen not far away. Fortunately,, most of them would most likely refuse to rep a war target because getting shot at by 20 Sansha battleships while 8x tackled with an ECM burst, bomber Mom on grid is okay, but if a real pilot shoots at you you're gonna explode :psyduck:

[Larkonis Trassler]

Number of idiots I've seen kick people from gangs because they're at war with a 5 man scrub corp is amazing. Was in a MILF fleet a week ago or so and had a guy asked to drop out after he mentioned his singular war target was in system.

[Muffinsrevenger]

From the other perspective, it's a pain in the butt to deal with since your already herding uncoordinated cats into something that will not result in you welping half a fleet

But yeah, incursion drama is p decent, it's like bear-drama but more involved and complicated

[Nobody_Holme]

Ran a PuG gang today... FC whined about the shield fleets (nightmares, vindis, whathaveyou) stealing the sites, then we finally got one we were allowed to go into (the fuck is tht about?) and the scrub guardian derps the cap chain. before i notice, my reps didnt save the other competent guardian, and splat goes the fleet. *sigh*

[lubica]

Killing incursion corps is probably one of the most rewarding highsec pasttimes. And neutral RR just means more kills :) Are there still any people left in the BTL channel? :p

[Aurora148]

i've sat in both channels for a while today and all i see is the same people spamming the same fleet for like hours at a time. Nothing seems to happen.

An organised lowsec running group would be preferable to this barely controlled chaos.

[Larkonis Trassler]

Might look into starting to put something together this weekend.

[Davd]

I'm tempted to buy a Basilisk (Logi IV atm) for my alt and join a pug, but something tells me it'll be a waste of 125mil+

Never flown a logi, don't trust pug FCs.

[Nobody_Holme]

Actually, the shield fleets i've been in have been pretty chill. Which is annoying as i have a grand total of one scimi and one gila to fly with them, wheres i've got plenty of armour boats and the fleets are without fail scrubby and terrible.

EDIT: Er, point being, a basi probably isnt a waste of time if you filter out fleets with scrubs in the other logis.

[mewninn]

ending up having to fake my fits to get in shield fleets :derper:

oh so you want a no shield extender webbing tengu? SURE NO PROBLEM BRO.